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Daniil Hartman
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Yossi Klein Halevi
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Daniil Hartman
Hi friends, this is Daniil Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi from the Sholem Hartman Institute. And this is a special episode of our podcast, For Heaven's Sake Israel at War. I don't know what day to call it. Is today day 6 16? Or is today really day one of a new war and a new experience for us as Israelis? But before we delve into this really emergency unique moment, I just want to briefly note to our audience with this episode, we're launching a new partnership between the Shalom Hartman Institute and Arc Media to grow the For Heaven's Sake community. And we're really happy. But I'll talk about this at the end. More at the end of the episode. One other announcement. We're taping this at close to 5:00 in Israel, 10:00 your time. And we want to launch it as quickly as possible. So this episode is, is, is not going to be edited in as we talk, what we talk, what we feel you're, you're going to hear first. Before we start delving into what's happening in Israel, I just feel a need intellectually and morally, Yossi, to say to you, you more than anybody else have been talking about the need for Israel to attack Iran. You've seen it as a necessity, as the mandate of Zionism in many ways. And I didn't always agree with you and very often I disagreed with you for many reasons. Talk about them maybe later, but this is a moment that you've been waiting for and you felt Israel had to, had to do this. I was more ambivalent because even when I agreed that this was necessary, I felt what was possible should influence what was necessary. But you never felt compelled by that. Never. That wasn't your. It's like whether we were going to succeed or not, whether we could do it or not. Part of me still feels that you were wrong, but it doesn't matter. But this was your call and you've been speaking about this in the Jewish community for 20 years. And so let's talk about it. It's a surreal war. A little bit so far at this we're fighting our greatest enemy yet so far it feels like a one sided war. Iran's strategic tools, the proxies are all gone. And there's something strange about it that every few minutes we're hearing about another success and we're waiting for the missiles to come and we know that they're going to come. But it seems that this, you feel the enormity of the moment, but it doesn't have the emotional yet intensity because it's the. Our experience, not of the pilots and of the army, but the experience of the civilian in Israel is of watching a war on television. But our wars are always very personal. They're never television wars. These are personal wars. And so let's delve in. Let's start. How are you feeling right now, Yossi? How are you experiencing this moment that in many ways alone and very often critiqued? You've been calling for. For 20 years.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
You know, Daniil, over the course of a lifetime, I've probably written hundreds, maybe more of op EDS essays, and I don't remember almost any of them. They come and go. There's one essay that is engraved in my being and that I've been thinking about since that first siren woke us up at 3 in the morning. And that's an essay that I wrote with, with Michael Oren for the new Republic almost 20 years ago. And I remember it because we ended it with probably the hardest line that I've ever had to write in my life. And that is that if the Jewish state allows a regime that is committed to our disappearance, that is that sponsors Holocaust denial conferences, that's the world center of Holocaust denial. That's the world center of genocidal terrorism against Israel. If we allow that regime to attain the means to implement its genocidal vision, then the Jewish state has lost its legitimacy. It's lost its rationale for being. And that line has haunted me since then. And I still believe that, Daniil. That, for me is the bottom line. It's the most elemental expression of why we have a Jewish state. Now, I believe we have a Jewish state for all kinds of reasons. But if we fail on that basic level of providing minimal safety for the Jewish people, then all of the other reasons, the beautiful reasons for why we need a Jewish state, just become irrelevant. And so there have always been two questions about an Israeli attack on Iran, or maybe three questions. Okay, you raised the first. Can we do it? And if the rationale for an attack on Iran is connected to the essence of our purpose, of our being, then that question in a way becomes irrelevant. There are moments in the life of a country where you have to go for broke. If everything is being weighed in the balance, then you have to do this. And I felt then, and I still do that. That's the most important question. The second question is, and this was more of a question, I would say, really, for the rest of the world, but also to some Extent, for Israeli decision makers, what is the worst option? Is it war, even risking a regional war to stop a nuclear run? Or, or is it living with a nuclear Iran and avoiding war? And there again for Israel, if the answer really is connected to our purpose for being our existence, then the answer there too, I think is straightforward. And the final question is, is Iran, the Iranian regime, apocalyptic? Is it genuinely, theologically, apocalyptically, Dr. Regime, or is it a rational player? And the truth is, we don't know. I've been following that question for 20 years, and I still don't know. There are compelling arguments in either direction. But the fact that we don't know is itself an imperative. We don't know, and we can't take the chance that maybe Iran is a theologically lunatic regime that has this messiah complex and that sees the destruction of Israel as the essential first step to the redemption of the world. And if that's the case, then we certainly can't live with the nuclear realm. So these were the issues that went into the this intense, passionate commitment that I've had to the position of stopping Iran almost at all costs. And of course, it comes from a very personal place. Ultimately, all of politics is personal. And for me, this comes from my background in a Holocaust survivor family. And I hear my father's voice. As you hear your father's voice in your head. My father's voice comes in and out of my life. He's not always there, mostly, in fact, rarely there these days. He died almost 50 years ago. But on this issue, I hear him speaking loudly, compellingly, and almost frantically.
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Daniil Hartman
You know, Yossi, when I hear you talk, I hear your father.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Oh, absolutely.
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Daniil Hartman
I don't know your father, but I feel you are channeling.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
You kind of do.
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Daniil Hartman
I do now, but I feel you've been, you're channeling something that's bigger than you. And there is no doubt that one of the reasons why I, I, I didn't share your feeling. And then I want to get to how we're feeling right now about the war and how we're experiencing it and how Israelis are experiencing it is that I always avoid apocalyptic predictions. I don't get worried. I get concerned, but I don't get worried. I feel that Israel's strong, and I feel that there's always more than one way to solve a problem. I also have a natural affinity to trying to achieve things through negotiations and rather than through war. And for me also, like when you spoke about the legitimacy or the rationale of Israel. For me, the legitimacy and rationale of Israel is the Jewish people's decision to live within the real world. And what is possible is our imperative and that we don't. It's not prayer, it's not aspirational. What's possible is the essence of Zion. Israel is real, as the slogan goes. And so this has always shaped me and. But I have to tell you, I don't feel the same way right now. And I think most Israelis feel very, very differently, even those of us who are hesitant and even those of us who wanted a negotiation. Right now, as we're sitting here and watching from our, you know, from our, from our homes, because we're not allowed to go out, we're allowed to go outside but not go too far really. Like since, you know, when we were woken up at 3 o' clock in the morning, there's this new home front app that has this horrific siren that literally is capable of resurrection of the dead. Literally. That's. It's, it's a, it's a. Mira, I've never heard something. It's beyond anything. It shrieks in the middle of the night at three at. What is it? At 2:30 or 3:00 clock at night. And we all jump up and we, we think something. We all run down to wherever it is, that is where we're in our safety zone. And we open up the app and the app says, just get ready. It was the strange thing, get ready. Israel has started. You have to now be ready. Wasn't that they were attacking us and the minute that happened there was, oh, it's good. So all my reservations dissipated. And as the day goes on, it's my reservation. You know, I never shy away from saying that I was wrong and I never shy away from saying that I've changed my opinion. But the last, it's now 24 hours of this day one of this war. And it's. Besides being a surreal war, there's something remarkable going on and I just want to share for a moment like one Israelis like what's been happening over these last 24 hours. After we woke up, we started talking to everybody we knew and who does what and checking in on all my kids and my mother and all gr. Every we doing everything we need to do. And then some people went back to sleep. In other the war we're going to go. Go back to sleep. Many of us couldn't go back to sleep. Finally I went to sleep. I woke up and I realized our Shabbos plans had changed. So here it is. We're in the middle of this one of the most difficult existential moments. And again, I hate that word, but if you could ever use it, this is a moment probably similar to the Six Day War. One of these moments where the history of Israel is going to change from this moment on and you realize that you're in the middle of history. But because this war, the way it's being fought, it's far away, it's on television, it feels very different. And it's the air force. Israelis start thinking as Jews do, about food. Think about food. One second. We were invited out for Friday night. We're not going to go Shabbos. I was going to go to my mother's, but that's not going to be possible. And my daughter with and son in law and six children are going to come. We don't have enough food. So I wake up early and I go shopping. And who do I meet when I go shopping? Half of Israel in my supermarket. I don't know where there. I don't know if there's other supermarkets in Israel, but half of Israel was in my supermarket. It's like there's something strange about this. Yossi, we're, we're at this moment.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
You use the word surreal. It does feel surreal.
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Daniil Hartman
It's just surreal. And then, you know what else happened? I got home with the food and there's an announcement. The, the drones are coming. They're going to come between one hour and two hours. So Adina says to me, danillo, we have to cook because maybe we're going to be in the safety room or wherever we are. So for two hours before the drones, this is the, you know, the last supper, the pre, the pre drone supper, the tree, pre drone cooking. And in two hours we're, we're cooking and running and cook because we don't know if we're, are we going to be able to turn over the chicken or not turn over the chicken. And, and we, we, we put together a spread in two hours. Chopping and doing it was just unbelievable. But like I'm at war. So like what am I worrying about my apple crumble with made from spelt or my chicken or like it's, I've been experiencing this on the one hand as an awakening and an embracing and with tremendous pride. And at the same time it's, you know, like yesterday afternoon beforehand people were saying, oh, Israel might attack, but there's a concert I'm going to tonight. They better not attack before the concert's over. It's like real dangerous. Changing our history and it's inter with this reality and everyday life. I've never experienced a war like this. How are you experiencing it?
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Yossi Klein Halevi
You know, it's interesting, Daniil, because Sara and I, my wife, Sara and I just got back from a relatively prolonged stay abroad, and we just got back a few days ago. And one of the feelings that I've had since the siren at 3:00am Is, is relief. We got on the plane, we made it back. Now that's such a strange and counterintuitive emotion. Oh, thank God I'm back in the war zone. But in a way, well, first of all, to be back with my kids. And that's one level of relief, but it's broader than that. It's to be back with my Israeli family. And I think that one of the emotional definitions of Israeli ness is that when the country is going through an emergency, like in any family situation, you need to be there. Not that you have to be there. You want to be there. And I would find it, frankly unbearable to be experiencing this moment outside. And you're, you know, listening to you talk about the, the supermarket. And, you know, we, we, we also had a very practical question. What do you take, what do you take into the safe room? Our safe room is downstairs. You know, we call it a safe room. It's a pretend safe room. We've, it doesn't, it doesn't meet any of the actual Civil Guards criteria. And, and yet we've declared it a safe room because there are no windows. It's the one room in the house, it's in the basement. So we're pretending that we have a safe room. And we went through the same questions of what are we cooking and can we put something on the stove? And what if the siren goes off and we're stuck for the next five hours? So all of those trivial questions, but that's the texture of Israeli life in a time of emergency. And what I love about being a part of this country is living that texture. And in a way, I think that's why I came here. I came here because I couldn't bear being away and just relating to Israel through the headlines. I needed to know the fine print of the Israeli story. And so that's on the personal level, but listening to you speak and you said something that was so beautiful and really profound, actually, why the state exists from your perspective, and bringing Israel back into the real world. And that's certainly a reflection of my own Zionism as well. But there's also this element of the irrational. And maybe that's been one of the ongoing differences between us is how much of the Jewish story is rational and how much of it veers into the insane. And for me, there are two short little anecdotes about the Iranian regime that tell me that we are not in rational territory here. The first is the Doomsday clock that the regime has placed in a central square in Palestine Square in Tehran. The Supreme Leader Khamenei in 2015 predicted that the Jewish state will be destroyed in 25 years. And so there is now a doomsday clock marking the time till the state of Israel is being destroyed in 2040. That's a crazy regime. And that tells me we're dealing with an obsession. And Jews know that when our enemies obsess about the problem of our existence, we should pay attention. And the second detail is the Holocaust denial conference that Iran sponsored. It gathered together in Tehran, the world's leading Holocaust deniers. Now, that tells me that there's something irrational going on. And in Jewish history, there are always these two streams. There's the rational and Zionism. In some ways, the ultimate expression, as you put it, of a rational Jewish impulse. The will to live first of all, but also the will to collectively express our civilization. Here I feel we're dealing with one of those moments in Jewish history when we veer into the irrational. And that's why in the end, Daniil and I love the fact that you said, okay, I see it's working. So, yes, I'm on board. It makes sense. And for me, it didn't matter. Is it going to work? Is it not going to work? We have to do this because we are now in the realm of the irrational.
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Daniil Hartman
It's interesting. I find the categories of irrational and rational really helpful. But for me, it's from the other side. I had a natural inclination to believe that the desire to destroy Iran's nuclear capacity, I found that that was irrational. That was the irrational. To believe that for every problem we have a military solution, that's irrational. And that Zionism, which is the Jewish people's decision to be rational and responsible, requires of us to look for other options. So I always, like I humored you. I felt you were this irrational, but from the other side, using it vis a vis yourself. But you know what's changed? So, first of all, whenever Israel goes to war, there's a natural inclination of all of us to just stand with each other, take your criticism and put it on hold for a while. Like, there's moments for criticism. And now the challenge of the war in Gaza is that it's this, a 616 day war, you can't put your criticism on hold.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
And the moral complications of the war.
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Daniil Hartman
Exactly. And we don't have that here at all. I have, we're concerned where people are being called up. And I'm just trying, you know, I remember my brother in law of blessed memory. Whenever I think of pilots, I think of him. And I know, you know, they're not. It's the dangers that they face. You know, we get used to the fact, as if that nobody could endanger our pilots. But what they're going through now, the whole country is sitting on them, on their heroism, on their skill set, on their genius, on the planning, the whole thing. But part of what's changed, and this is over the last 24 hours, but in many ways we saw this develop over the last six months, is that the war in Gaza has made an attack on Iran much more rational. Not simply because Iran is activating Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis in a more immediate way to attempt to destroy us, that their antisemitic aspirations have been translated into a policy that we can't ignore. But part of what's happened is that the remarkable security transformation, the destruction of Hamas's missile capabilities, the complete destruction of Hezbollah and the reorder, the new order that's been set up in Lebanon, the fact that Syria no longer has an army. The biggest challenge in attacking Iran, for me, always and again this is as a layperson, like, what did I know is like you're going to fly over hundreds or what is it, 1500 kilometers of enemy space and surprise Iran. The reality now is, is there's a corridor, it's like almost a highway between Israel and Iran. And there's no one, there's nobody there, so there's nobody to stop us.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
And so it's now. And so it's now rational.
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Daniil Hartman
It feels, it feels rational. And I feel that that together with the escalation of Iran's activity makes them having a nuclear weapon far, far more impossible. So the reality has changed then.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
I really appreciate that point. And the reality has changed actually in another way as well, which is with the collapse of Iran's conventional credibility, the urgency that they feel for crossing the nuclear threshold is all the more tangible. And so there's a direct connection with our ability to destroy the proxy ring that Iran succeeded in surrounding us with on all of our borders, with Iran's apparent rush toward nuclear capability. And so I think for all of those reasons, one could certainly make A compelling argument for this is a rational step. But what I have in mind, what's eating at me is something I read in the New York Times today, which is an analysis about, well, Israel claims this was a preemptive attack, but we don't know how imminent Iran's intention. Was Iran really going to cross the nuclear threshold in the coming days? Was it really going to attack Israel? And it may. Misses the point. Misses the point that this is coming from the deepest place in Jewish history is that when your enemies tell you we plan to destroy, you believe them. The big mistake we made on October 6 was not to take Hamas's threats seriously. And we are now in the post October 7th reality here. And that's something that has also changed in the Israeli psyche. We are far more inclined to take the threats of our enemies seriously than we did before October 7th.
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Daniil Hartman
Right. And one other feeling I have 24 hours into this war is I don't know if I'm supposed to feel elated about what we've achieved or concerned about what's about to happen. It's like, which, like, what about, like, what am I supposed to do? It's like right now I'm talking to you, and, you know, I'm watching simultaneously, you know, 20 news sites at the same time, all somehow connected into my brain. And so on the one hand, I'm. We just see what Israel did. It's remarkable. You know, this is an example of what happens when you actually go to war where you have a strategy as distinct from going to a war where all. All you do is have a tactic. It's the brilliance, the skill setup. We're watching. We basically, the whole Joint Chiefs of Staff of Iran is wiped out. The Mossad built drone camps in Iran. It's like there's things that we're sitting.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Here watching, and it's the most extraordinary. This is the most extraordinary military achievement, I think, in Israel's history.
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Daniil Hartman
Now, the only reason why I'm a little hesitant is because we still don't know, but still, like, we're sitting here and watching it, and we're at this horrific moment, but it feels celebratory. But we know it's not over. We know, like, okay, Shabbos is coming. When's Iran? And you know, there's. We know drones from Iran take nine hours. Drones from Iraq take six hours. Normal missiles take two hours. Ballistic missiles take 12 minutes. Like, even the fact that every Israeli knows this, it's just like, so we're sitting here, Shabbos is coming I'm getting calls because you're not allowed to go to shul. So neighbors want to have minions in their backyards, you know, services in their yards next to your homes. And we're at war, and so it can't be this easy. And at the same time, I sit and I wonder whether Iran really built a strategy in which its defense was built on its air defense system and its attack was principally its proxies, who have all disappeared. Now we've taken out their air defense system. We might have taken out, we don't know, a large percentage of their ballistic missiles. And it seems like we're going in and there's no resistance. So is this what it is, or is there another moment coming?
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Yeah, yeah. Well, look, there's certainly the next phase of Iran's response, which may not be a credible conventional military response or even ballistic missiles. It may be terrorism, maybe terrorism around the world. They may be unleashing their sleeper cells around the world.
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Daniil Hartman
It might be, Yossi, that that's the only thing they have left right now.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
It might be. It might be. But, you know, in terms of what this means for us, in a way, we're now living between October 7th and June 13th. June 13th, 2025. It is June 13th, right? Yes.
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Daniil Hartman
I have no idea.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Today.
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Daniil Hartman
Today, June 13th o is my daughter's birthday. Okay, thank you for reminding me.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
So that's another major.
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Daniil Hartman
Tomorrow we'll celebrate her birthday, right, because she wasn't going to be here for Shabbos. Now she's coming for lunch. Okay, we'll celebrate her birthday.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
So on the one hand, we've got the historic collapse of Israel's deterrence, where we were at our most incompetent, I would say criminally incompetent. And then June 13, where we astonish the world and astonish ourselves at our capabilities. And there's another element here which I feel the need to bring in, and that's Netanyahu. And Netanyahu does not make a move without considering the political consequences for himself. And I have no doubt that that played a major factor in his decision making. And yet at this moment, it doesn't matter. And even those of us who have no trust whatsoever in his decency, even in his national considerations, right now, there's a convergence between the national interest and his own interests. And I'm willing, happily willing, to overlook that.
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Daniil Hartman
If you brought up Netanyahu, I want to bring up for a moment Donald Trump, maybe, as we bring this podcast to a conclusion. I have been fuming this last Month or so in many ways, since the Trump trip to Saudi Arabia, fuming at how seemingly irrelevant and important we were in his world. And the trillions, whatever Israel's needs are, somehow dissipate when it comes to the trillions of dollars that he wants to. He wants to get and the deals he wants to make. And I hear the isolationist language increasingly vocal in the Republican Party. And I even heard, like yesterday, the Secretary of Defense of the United States says, Israel has to look out for its interests, but America has to look out for its interests. And it was very clear that America was pushing a deal. And it was like, really like, you forgot us so quickly. And then even as the war started, it was clear that America wasn't going to join us at that time. And I'm sitting there and I'm saying, you know, I expected better, I deserve more. And there was a loneliness. And part of my feeling about the irrationality of attacking Iran alone was the belief that alone we can't do it. We need B52s and B2s. We need the, what is it, the 12,000 tons bombs. We need that. And even now, you're not joining us. And your big warning of Secretary of State Rubio was to threaten the Iranians. Not if you're going to attack Israel, but if you attack an American base. It felt very lonely. But then it turns out that President Trump was part of the charade. At 12 o' clock at night, right before Israel attacks, he starts tweeting that, yes, we don't want Israel to attack. Not only did he know and approve, he was willing to play a role in Israel's deception. So I have to give him and the government and the United States government some credit as well. So at this moment, it doesn't feel as lonely. Yossi, last words, please.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
I actually have two last words. This is, you know, you have to give me that. Daniil, I've been carrying this for all these years. This is the.
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Daniil Hartman
I give it to you. Yossi.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
I have to say a number of points. First of all, this attack gives the Americans the gun on the table with negotiations with Iran that they've lacked all these years. Going back to Obama's negotiations with Iran when he said all options are on the table, in the end, no one in the Middle east believed Obama. Everyone knew that there was no military option for him. And so America's negotiating position was weak from the outset. And the same, astonishingly, seemed to be playing out with Trump. He seemed so desperate for a deal that when he would say that all options are on the table. It became increasingly lack credibility. And now we've given the American negotiating position real backbone. That's the first.
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Daniil Hartman
That's the first point before you get to your second, because it's going to be the last word. I think it's just what we know right now is that this is not a gun on the table. This is a gun that's fired. We're humiliating Iran. I think the time for negotiation is over. And now it needs a victory. Iran has pulled out of the negotiations. This is not a gun on the table. And when it's from us, we need to win. And this is not going to be won right now by Iran capitulating. So. But now, last word.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
You certainly will not get an arm argument from me with the notion that we have to defeat Iran. And my hope is that this is going to be the beginning of a process that will eventually bring this terrible regime down. But the last point that I want to raise is to give credit to the two conceptual fathers of this moment. And certainly Netanyahu deserves major credit for not only the attack itself, but for leading the international campaign all these years to sound the alarm on Iran. But the two spiritual or conceptual fathers of the war against Iran are actually Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin. Menachem Begin is the Begin doctrine determined that Israel's existential enemies will not be allowed to possess the military means to fulfill their genocidal threats. And Israel played out the begin doctrine three times. Now, the first was against Iraq in 1979. The second was against the Syrian reactor in 2007. And now this is the ultimate expression of the Bacon doctrine. And I think we all more or less remember that Begin was the spiritual father here. What we forget is the seminal role that Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin played in shaping Israel's Iran policy. And it happened in 1993 when Rabin signed the Oslo Accords with Yasser Arafat, beginning the negotiating process with the Palestinians. He gave an interview with the Israeli media, which stunned me at the time, and I've never forgotten it. And what Rabin said then was, the reason that I am trying to make peace with the Palestinians is because Israel faces two rings of threat. The first is the inner ring around our borders, which is Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the Palestinians, Syria. And then there's the outer ring, which is Iran. And he said that the inner circle of threat is manageable. That is actually not an existential threat. None of those countries, and certainly not the Palestinians, don't pose an existential threat to Israel. The outer ring is where the real existential threat comes from. And I, Rabin, want to neutralize the inner ring so that we're not obsessed where all of our energies is going to trying to neutralize a threat that is not ultimately existential. And I want to start shifting our strategic focus on the eventual showdown with a nuclearizing Iran. Rabin then backed up that statement by ordering a fleet of long range bombers for the Israeli Air Force, which in the air force they called the Tehran bombers. That's a little window of history that I feel compelled to bring up now.
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Daniil Hartman
See, it's your history and this has been your, I don't want to call it your cross. You've been carrying it and I'm trying to imagine what you're feeling right now. All of us now listen, we're, this is a moment we're going to watch, we're going to share with our audience. We're going to try to figure out, you know, so Far the first 24 hours have been remarkable, exhilarating, surreal. We know that the next 24 hours are going to be much harder and we'll come back and join our audience either in our regular time or when we feel it's important to share what's happening in Israel. But as we bring this podcast to a close, this episode, I want to just again mention what I briefly mentioned at the beginning, how excited Yossi, you and I and the Hartman Institute in general are for this partnership with ARC Media, which is building now a town hall of podcasts to communicate thoughtful and important conversation about Israel, world Jewry and the central issues we face. And listen, I know ARC Media because I'm a very devoted listener, to call me back. It's besides our podcast, which we don't listen to, it's my favorite podcast. It has the most intelligent conversation and analysis about Israel. I want to tell you, you don't get it. That it's in English drives me crazy because in Hebrew, Israelis need that analysis and they don't get it. So joining with them and their growing platform is really exciting for me personally. And I'm very excited at the possibility of growing the for heaven's sake community that this partnership will enable. So to the ARC Media people, to Dan and Elon, I look forward to a partnership and to doing good things and for more people being able to join our community. And lastly to all of you, between day 616 and day one, I don't know what to say. Yossi, I look forward to thinking about this with you. Again and again, and hopefully more of the first 20, 24 hours will be more of an indication of the next 24. But we might also be in front of very, very difficult and dangerous times. And I hope we'll have the strength and the perseverance to see it through and that we should all be well at this, at this. At this moment.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Amen.
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Daniil Hartman
Shalom and Shabbat shalom from Jerusalem.
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Yossi Klein Halevi
Shabbat shalom.