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Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone
Ashley St. Clair's Gift to the Democrats
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Hi, this is free thinking through the fourth turning. I'm sacha stone, Ashley St. Clair's gift to the Democrats. So much promise. Such a dead end. Ashley St. Clair is all of us. Well, she might not be you, she might not even be me. Although I see some of myself in her. But she is this mess we've built. Like all of us, she's played a role in this ongoing virtual civil war between left and right, played out amid tangled algorithms, giant egos, hurt feelings and cash flow. She's the same age as my daughter, just 28 years old, but it feels like she's lived five lifetimes. She shapeshifted from Maga to having Elon Musk's baby, to a public fight over said baby, to throwing herself at the feet of the left, branding herself as a one woman confessional who will dangle all the dirty details of the Maga cult like bloody chum to hungry sharks. She's smart enough to know two things. First, the left still controls most of our culture. If you want book deals, successful podcasts with the top tier advertisers, or stories about you in the New York Times, or even movie deals about your life, you have to be accepted by them. Second, they won't accept you unless you bring the goods. And boy, does she ever.
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For those who don't know, my name is Ashley St. Clair. I was a MAGA influencer involved in MAGA politics for almost a decade. I know now, for a little bit of background, we need to talk about the beginnings of Mar A Lago and who Donald Trump was. According to the other elite circles and classes. While Donald Trump was this wealthy businessman, he was not viewed this way among his peer circles of other wealthy business entrepreneurs and businessmen. He was a bit of an outcast, seen as abrasive, and people didn't really want him around. Now, Donnie T did not like that. So he was like, you know what? Screw you guys. If you're not going to invite me to your parties, I'm going to have my own at Mar A Lago. Which is also how he got involved with little Jit Jeffy. Jeffy Boy. And Mar A Lago has been the hub for Donnie T. To pretend that people like him and people want to come over to his house. It's quite literally his house. Now, obviously, when Donnie T ran for president, he was like, wow, perfect. Now I can invite all these people over to my super cool house. They'll see how super duper cool I am. They'll see that I have all these H1B visa slaves who do whatever I want. And this will go swimmingly. Now, Mar A Lago very quickly became a conservative hub. It was exclusive to be at Mar A Lago and get an invite to Mar A Lago and people get invites and access through that avenue. And then there is the last avenue for access to Mar A Lago, which is the social climbing, grifting class of primarily women who just orbit around anybody who has access to Mar A Lago, a lot of members of the Trump administration, etc.
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What do you want to know? She says on her TikTok as she applies gobs of makeup she doesn't need. Contour foundation, concealer, blush, more concealer, more contour powder. Do you want to know? Maga is a cult. Here you go. Are they racist? Oh, yeah, she says as she dabs her eyes with a powder puff. She might not realize it, but her makeup is a metaphor for the role she's playing now. A real person hiding under layers and layers of disguise. Who is she this time? She's the one talking to Jennifer Welch, the wicked witch of the left.
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What do you think of that's exactly. And they say so much like, oh, it's not a victimhood mentality, it's not this, it's not that. But they live in the biggest victimhood mentality that they think the biggest issue is trans people, that they think it's going to take away from them so much if you recognize black literature. Reading my first slave narrative at 25, I was like, no wonder they don't want me reading this because this is horrific. And so like I. And then consuming black literature, like reading Robinson, reading Du Bois, reading these. These things that I wasn't allowed to read because I was told it was anti white propaganda. And just read what you're not supposed to read, what they're telling you. How racist is the movement? It's pretty racist. That's what I mean. I think it's just. Would you say that's at the epicenter of it and then also owning the lips coming more and more at the epicenter of it. It wasn't so much before, but people like Stephen Miller have really like, you know, I've texts from Stephen Miller where he's like, we need white boys. Oh yeah, you have texts from Stephen Miller. Used to text me every day during the election. He's like, share this. I don't. I. Every time I've seen him, he's sitting down at the board with a drink. So don't know. He. What would he text you when he'd what? He would ask for retweets during the election. Would you say white boy? White boy November. He's like, we need the white boys. This is going to be white boy November. Like, he's just a loser. And so, like, he's begging me for retweets. He's like, we need to get. Wait, hold on. So that guy is reaching out to you to reach. They're all so insecure.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I knew that.
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I knew all of this.
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That's why I don't care. I'm like, who am I and how badly do they want to own the libs? Would you say that is the driving force, like, the ethos that, like, bonds them together, Owning the libs? No, I think they're just hateful, racist. Like, no, I think that what bonds them together is hate and that they weren't cool in high school. Like, they're really. These people are so deeply insecure.
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She was on with the chipper lunatic Suzanne Lambert.
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Also, that pisses me off that she said, you just didn't get the money you wanted because you turned down an inconceivable amount of wealth. Are you allowed to say the number? I have turned down a lot of money from a lot of various different sources. And the money I've turned down from various sources, the GDP of a small nation. Okay. I'm probably the only bitch in the world who can turn down the amount of money I did and still be called a gold digger. I'm like, women really can't win. What do I have to?
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And Haley on the go.
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She spent 10 years as a top influencer in the MAGA world, helping to elect Donald Trump, served as a brand ambassador for Turning Point usa, was a political commentator, and is maybe most well known for having a child with the world's richest man, Elon Musk. And now she has turned her back on all of them and has been telling all. Ashley St. Clair. Welcome to Hayley on the Go. Something people need to understand. It was a lot more than just my political opinions. Those were very much shaped by older men. I dated older men who were influencing me and my own need for validation and acceptance, like, as a young girl. But the structure of this cult is that you are also dependent on them financially. For me to leave was was not just for me to change my political beliefs, but to blow my entire life up.
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And the most cringy of all was a giggly appearance with our favorite Cartier communist, Hassan Piker.
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What is this? This is a hoodie. You Got me a hoodie. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna put this down here.
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Oh, God.
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What is. What's gonna be in this hoodie? This is gonna be. Let's see. You ready? Are you ready? Chat.
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Oh, God.
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Oh, no, I'm not. I'm not even gonna see it first. Chad's gonna see it before I do. I've been sent by Benjamin Netanyahu to get his Twitter account. You're. This is. Oh, my God.
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Baby mama blues. Ashley has not gone full Monica Lewinsky yet claimed victimhood to excuse her role in becoming yet another baby mama for the Henry VIII of Silicon Valley. El Musk. She does seem to take some responsibility for agreeing to go to bed with him upon first meeting. He even asked her what name she liked. Elon was upfront about what he wanted from her, and she seemed fully on board as a hot, conservative female who already had one kid in her early 20s, her ovaries were calling Elon's name. He slid into her DMs before sliding into other places. Yes, says Ashley, she joined the Mile High club courtesy of Elon's private jet.
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So when Elon Musk buys Twitter, this is a big deal that is really taking over the entire right wing. Everyone from the left and the right is watching everything that Elon posts. I mean, it is. You kind of had to be there, okay? And when he follows me, he immediately began, begins responding and liking basically everything of mine. He subscribes to me. He's responding to my posts where I'm talking about my kids, kids, saying, like, almost immediately, as soon as he followed me, he's like, you should have more kids. And I am inundated with the people saying, oh, look, he found his next baby mama. And it is really hard to explain to people who were not involved just how many eyeballs were on Elon and everything that he was doing. And there was like a cohort of right wing accounts, including myself, that Elon had a particular fixation with. So I believe it was like two or three days after Elon follows me, one of my friends within MAGA is like, do you want to be added to this group chat with these other accounts that Elon follows and responds to a lot? And at this point, again, like, I don't think anything of it. I just think I'm, like, involved in this, like, crazy new world where Elon's, like, getting involved in right wing politics. And this is like, my entire social circle is maga. Okay? So I'm like, yay, a new group chat with new friends. And other people who understand the insanity of, like, Elon responding, because it really was. It. It was insane. Like, immediately you're getting death threats, you're getting journalists reaching out. My name is in print next to his because he's responding to my tweets about Ted Kaczynski. Like, the Unabomber. It was just insane. So I'm added to this group chat, and, like, very quickly, this becomes, like, all encompassing, mind you, simultaneously. I am working at the Babylon Bee, where we're, like, scheduling this interview to do with Elon. Like, our Slack channel for this project was literally called Elon Fest. Okay? So nonetheless, I. Elon, as I said, he ends up DMing me. And he's like, are you ever in San Francisco? And I'm like, actually, I'm supposed to be there. Whenever you get back to Seth, my boss, about an interview, within, like, 30 seconds, Seth calls me and he's like, elon just got back to me about an interview date. Like, we need to book our flights to San Francisco right now. And I'm like, okay. Now, at this point, politically, Elon is, like, primarily talking about the free speech issue because he bought Twitter and, you know, he's like, dipping his toes in right wing slop. But so we go to San Francisco, we do this interview, and basically the whole time, like, anytime Elon tells a joke, he's, like, looking to me to see my reaction. I also have, like, footage of him, like, checking me out while we were there. It was like. It was insane anyways, and I'm like, 23. Okay. And after the interview, I then get a text from Elon because at this point, he had given me his number, and he is like, do you feel like going to Providence tonight? Like, as in Rhode Island? So I am supposed to be cleaning up with my fellow co workers from this interview, and. And I'm like, seth, I'm gonna leave my phone on the table. I need you to look at it. And I'm leaving. Like, I gotta go. I'm gonna go. I was like, oh, a side quest. Yay. An adventure. So right away, Elon is like, okay, well, wheels up at midnight. Come to this, like, private airport. And I am like, oh, my God, what the am I getting involved in? Like, am I about to be like Harvey Weinstein here? This is probably a bad idea, but I'm gonna do it anyways. Like, at this point, I'm like, I'm gonna do it for the plot, okay? And so I get on his jet. The first thing I say is, I'm like, well, this is slightly better than commercial. And I know there's this tendency because, like, Elon has become like such a caricature. But, like, I don't know how to explain, like, how surreal it is in that moment. You're like 23, I'm a single mom, and all of a sudden I'm like on the jet of like the richest guy in the world. And he's like, pouring me red wine and telling me how nice the wine is. He like reiterates like four times. He's like, this is a really nice bottle of wine. And I was like, honestly, I can't tell the difference between this and a box of Francia. But, like, I'm sure it's nice if it's on your plane, so. Oh, like, I, I just don't know how much I want to say here, but so. Well, I guess this is relevant because there's so many. And we'll, we will address this later. Like the baby trapping scandal. Like people saying, we baby trapped. So not exactly proud of this, but like, I was a young hoe, okay, I slept with him. The. On this plane, joined the mile high club. And the first time we engage in coitus, do you know what he says to me? He literally says, pick a name.
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But one thing an influencer, however fluid in politics must preserve is their platform. What good is having the richest man in the world's baby if you can't brag about it, be known for it, have instant status because of it. Not to mention the child having to wander around the planet not being Elon's son, while everyone knows he is like that bastard son of Henry VIII. St. Clair is throwing around the figure of 40 million to buy her off, but she doesn't say exactly who's offering it. Musk had originally offered a deal of 15 million up front and then 100,000 per month to raise the child. Money most people couldn't imagine in their entire lifetimes. But that came with an NDA and she refused. Musk has said he gave her 2.5 million up front, then 500,000 per year. She has said he slashed her child support payments, causing her to sell her Tesla to cover expenses.
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I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to our son's child. Why do you think that he did that? That's a great question for him. You feel like he was sort of like vindictive against you in some way? Yeah, that's his motor SAP. Aram Deck. When women Speak out.
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Either way, whatever she's gotten is not enough, not in 2026, when the platform is everything. Ashley St. Clair once more. And in that way, she is all of us, too, and this grotesque online machine we've all helped build, where a person can become a star overnight, then the object of scorn the next day, with an angry mob attempting to destroy them as the entire Internet watches. She was viciously attacked as a gold digger by maga. Then they made AI porn of her, she says, even depicting her as an underage sex object, which is why she's suing Musk. Welcome back. Ashley St. Clair, the mother of one of Elon Musk's children, is suing Musk's artificial intelligence company. St. Clair says Ex's chatbot Grok is dangerous and poses a threat to the public.
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She claims users on X were using
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Grok to manipulate images of her, other women, even children, to undress them. Here's what she told our Jolene Kent this week before she filed the suit.
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The worst for me was seeing myself undressed, bent over, and then my toddler's backpack in the background because I had to then see that and see myself violated in that way in such horrific images and then put that same backpack on my son the next day. Jessica Levinson joins us now to break this down.
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Jessica, great to see you.
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What grounds does St. Clair have here to sue?
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So it looks like that she's bringing something called a products liability case, essentially in a public nuisance case, meaning that it looks like these are civil cases
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based in tort law.
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When it comes to the products liability theory, she's essentially saying that Grok is almost like a car or another product that's unreasonably safe and there was an opportunity to make it safer. This is a fascinating situation where, as you know, we're tackling new technology under the rubric of older laws.
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And we're trying to figure
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how it started, how it's going. Ashley St. Clair started her career as a blonde, appearing on Fox News, pushing the Maga line. Ashley St. Clair joins me now. Is this a trend among young women
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to celebrate not having a family? It is. It's the Chelsea Handler culture of it all, where they just want to pursue pleasure and drinking all night, going to Beyonce concerts. It's this pursuit of self pleasure in replace of fulfillment and having a family. And we see this often now. And this poor woman who was blasted online, especially by Matt Walsh and the likes of them, I do feel bad for her because you heard her say she said I don't have a family yet, and many of these women do want that. And I don't think she understood she was contributing to that Chelsea Handler culture. That's very antinatalist. They think that having a family is bad. Having a kid is a burden, and like you said, it's contributing to a declining birth rate, and it will contribute to the fall of civilization in our country eventually.
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And at the Babylon Bee making content
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like this, have you ever been confused if you're a man or a woman? Not quite sure how to pick your gender? Did you know there's actually more than 2 genders? Male and female are not the only ones. And if you think that you're a bigot, there's infinite genders, and we tell you all about them in our new Babylon Bee guide to gender. I didn't write it. I'm not paid to be funny. Kyle Mann and Joel Berry from our team wrote it, but buy it on Amazon. I don't want to get fired.
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Her past warring against the transgender community means it's iffy whether or not she'll ultimately get a passion. No matter the mea culpas she's handed out like candy. This Tick tock user says forget it. Can we all please stop taking Ashley
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Sinclair seriously and start treating her like Marjorie Taylor Greene? This woman drummed up hatred for trans people over and over again like it was her job. Oh wait, it was her job. And it keeps going and going. And not to mention her ties to, you know, the reason she's now making the content she's making isn't because she suddenly saw the light that she's been marginalizing communities that need a helping hand. She did it because her baby daddy, Elon Musk, is suing her.
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After all, Ashley St. Clair wrote a children's book in hopes of saving some of the young from destroying their bodies. Kind of seemed like she believed it too, right? For podcast listeners of book Elephants Are Not Birds, Brave Books and Ashley St. Clair partnered to write Elephants Are Not Birds, a Christian conservative children's book that tackles the topic of gender identity. In the book, children will learn that boys are not girls and elephants are not birds. Since then, however, she has found ways to get out of it. She's thrown herself at the mercy of prominent Democrats like podcaster David Pakman to pick one issue. For a while, you were like a big anti trans activist, and as I understand this, you've now reversed your views on that and even expressed some regrets about that. Did you? How did you come to focus in on that issue was there was, I don't want to call it pressure necessarily, but like, were you encouraged that, like, hey, here's an emotionally salient issue you could be posting and talking about?
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I think that's part of it. You see the engagement that it's getting, but also the way in which it is presented to you is very much presented like propaganda. You see these extreme cases about an issue that you are not educated on, particularly involving trans youth. And so you see these really extreme examples and they will post the most heinous content online and make that representative of an entire community. So you really believe that this is the case and then your perception, you're looking for this confirmation bias in everything that you see. And, and I was coming from a deep place of ignorance and thinking that this was the most important issue. It's framed as, you know, we're protecting women and children. And of course this is the only time that the right wing and MAGA will ever say that they care about women and children. And so you really get caught up in that. But I have great remorse for my role in that and the harm that I've caused. And I'm hoping that at least humbling myself to take accountability and try to right those wrongs and make amends in my local community will help others who potentially feel the same way that I did at certain times while I was in maga.
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She's talked about how ignorant she was, how she fell into a cult and didn't know what she was doing. She talks about her past of being locked away and homeschooled where she was isolated from other people before going to college and hitting the party scene. And eventually, to hear her tell it, she ended up in a cult.
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I want to talk about the series of events and more of the circumstances surrounding me doing a cannonball into MAGA politics and becoming a MAGA influencer. Because when I speak about it, I'm not exactly being upfront and like that's not on purpose. But I just think there's. There's part of my story that's been very difficult to talk about, even though it's been so long. But I, I do think it's important to understand the conditions and how joining any cult, especially something like maga, how that can be appealing to very vulnerable and broken individuals. I do want to preface this by saying that there should be a trigger warning because I will be talking about sa a lot of talk about essay isolation afterwards and the trauma related to. So in, as some of you may know, in high School. I was homeschooled. I was very sheltered. I was very isolated in my high school time. And so then I go to college, and right away I am swept up into politics. Donald Trump is doing a rally on my campus, like, right before I start my freshman year, and I join these political organizations, but I'm also joining the party scene. So I had this nerdier, more cerebral side that, you know, I was getting itched through politics, and then I had this more broken side that really needed social and male validation that was itched by partying my f. Cking ass off.
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I know what it feels like to believe in a movement, then get chewed up and spit out and find myself in a place where I'm telling all the secrets of my former side, trashing them to the delight of the opposition. I know what motivates her and why she so badly needs affirmation and acceptance. Here she is with Mehdi Hassan.
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She said that seeing your old tweets full of hateful, bigoted remarks is a rather horrifying experience today. But many conservatives don't even think of
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those posts as hate filled.
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They genuinely believe those are Christian or godly or morally correct takes. So as someone who's been on both
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sides of this divide, I have to ask, what.
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What was your wake up call? What did you read?
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What did you see?
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Who did you talk to that made you think, you know what? I've gotten this all wrong for the last few years. There were a lot of things. It happened slowly and then all at once. So there were moments that I would have friends who were trans that I was like, oh, wow, you know, these are not actually evil people who want to trans all the children. There were moments that I would read certain items, and I'm embarrassed to say, but I had never read a slave narrative until my mid-20s.
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But confessing her sins wouldn't be enough. For people whose ultimate goal is to end Trump and MAGA forever and retake power, they need a lot more than just confirmation of their mass delusions about Trump. He's Hitler and maga. It's a cult. No, they needed a way to yet again deny reality and cast themselves as the real winners. How could they? The most perfect people in the world, have lost to Trump. Why did half the country reject them? Again, it's a truth they still can't face. Lucky for them. Ashley St. Clair has gifted them with the perfect way to explain the 2024 election. It was rigged by Elon Musk. Here is a tiktoker news as Ashley
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St Clair, the former MAGA influencer who has turned on them and renounced all of her influence and support of Maga, has now come forward and is talking about the 2024 election. And in October, Elon tells me that he is ready to release his, in his words, anomaly in the Matrix. And I am like, oh, like, who's that? And he says that he has 10,000 lasers in space, referring his satellites. I say, because I am, like, rather uncomfortable and I know the gravity of what he's trying to tell me right now. I say, wow, finally a focus on the Jewish vote. He keeps going. And he says, you know, this is not something on. This is not a piece that they'll see on the chessboard. And I, I straight up tell him, I say, I would ask more, but I really don't want to be deposed. Elon Musk should be deposed immediately for questioning about this. To which he says, very wise. Shortly after that, you know, he's involved with America Pack and all of this other stuff, and he's sending me some internal data from America Pack, real time delta vote metrics. And I am just like, how the do you have this sort of data? You don't get this from door knocking. So then to have arguably the most powerful man in the world who is sending me things about, you know, using his space technology in the election. Let me know if you think it's time. Ashley should release everything Elon Musk had sent her. About this, I should also say that I have.
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The Democrats have done everything they know how to do to destroy Donald Trump and his MAGA army. They framed him as a Russian spy, called him a racist, a rapist, a bigot, a dictator, a fascist Hitler, a king and a felon. They impeached him twice, indicted him four times, and attempted to throw him off the ballot in several states. He has survived three assassination attempts so far. They've obstructed everything he's tried to do, from cleaning up the streets to closing the border to bringing manufacturing back, to stopping Iran from getting a nuke. He stood up for women who were forced to deny reality by competing against biological boys. He stood against gender affirming care that destroys the bodies of children who can't consent. If Trump is for it, they're against it. They pressured all artists to take a side against half the country. In Hollywood and music at the Kennedy center. They insist that supporting him is like supporting Hitler, even if he's beating back his own right flank by standing up for Israel. And yet for the left, he's the only thing standing in their way. And for all of us, the only bulwark against total societal control. It all sounds great because it absolves the Democrats of any blame. See, they did everything right. It wasn't a coup against a sitting president running for re election or the installation of his vice president without a single vote, or that she was a terrible candidate. No, it wasn't their fault they lost. It was Elon's space lasers. And now that she has their attention, the warnings are getting more urgent. Just in time to prepare for the midterms.
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But now the FBI, I don't know if you just saw, they're targeting people who protest the data centers. Right. And so people need to get louder because I don't. If I seem neurotic, it's because I am. Because what I saw. And I am very scared that once they accomplish this, with this integration of AI into all of our lives, that it is going to be very hard to take that power back. This is not. If you think power was hard to take back in the last like 50 years, we're done. So people need to fight back and fight back loudly. And the more I have been thinking about it, it's been more of a newer thought, but I. I truly believe they encourage so many people to have kids so that they're less likely to fight back because they know that is the only thing that will. Will stop women from fighting back is their kids. That's really interesting. The child free. I've come to a different understanding that they have more power than anybody else to fight back and to make that risk. And I think there was an essay someone commented in my comments. The child free are ungovernable and people need to take that into account and fight back.
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And that is the real gift Ashley St. Clair has laid at the feet. Feet of the side she hopes will embrace her, value her, accept her and elevate her. If she can help them win elections, whether the midterms or 2028, she can destroy both Elon Musk and Maga. Well, how could a $40 million payout even compare? I would just offer her one word of caution as someone who comes from the left. Don't tell them what they want to hear. Tell them what you know to be true, because that's what they need to hear. Confirming their mass delusion only sinks them in deeper. They don't realize it yet, but their empire is in a state of collapse and not a moment too soon. The counterculture is rising to take its place. And when that happens, Ashley St. Clair will want to be more than just a footnote hitching a ride on a sinking ship. Thank you for listening to my podcast sashastone.com I'm almost on the end point of my trip to turn around and head back to California. I hope you had a great weekend. We're very busy out here and I'll be posting another travel dispatch soon. And if you like my work, you can always leave a tip on the tip jar on the main page. And if you do, make sure to let me know so that I could mark you down as a paid subscriber. Or you can become a paid subscriber. That always helps keep the channel going. Hope you had a very nice weekend. And remember to thine own self be true.
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Sam.
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In the helicopters I'm in New York no need for words now we sit
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in silence you look me in the
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eye directly you met me I think it's Wednesday the evening the mess when I know.
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Night and day I dream of making
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love to you now baby love making
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in on screen
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impossible
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and I have seen the sunrise over the river the
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freeway reminding of this mess we.
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Sa. Sam,
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What was it you wanted?
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I just want to say don't ever change thank you. I don't think we will meet again. We must leave now before the sun rises over the skyscrapers and the city landscape comes into being. Sweat on my skin the. Sunset of la.