Assassination Nation

Summary

Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone

Episode Summary: "Assassination Nation"

Date: September 26, 2025
Host: Sasha Stone

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Brief Overview

In “Assassination Nation,” Sasha Stone delivers a powerful monologue exploring the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk and America's escalating political violence. She interrogates the rhetoric surrounding these acts, particularly from the Democratic left, connecting the vitriolic climate to deeper cultural and ideological shifts. The episode critiques mainstream reactions to violence, delves into the moral collapse of American discourse, and calls for a "revival of decency"—especially among Democrats and the cultural elite.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Killing of Charlie Kirk and Its Aftermath

• Opening Commentary ([00:00]):
  • Sasha likens Democratic reactions to Lady Macbeth's guilt, dramatizing their frantic denouncement of the violence—yet suggesting it rings hollow.
  • "He believed in the biological reality of men and women and refused to go along with what he thought was a lie. To Tyler Robinson, that meant he was spreading too much hate."
• Assassination as a consequence of ideological extremism: not mental illness, but "a cold blooded assassin doing the bidding of fanatics" ([00:48]).

2. Character Assassination and Dehumanization

• Stone reflects on the broader political tactic of character assassination:
  • "One wrong word and you're a racist. Even trying to stand up for someone being called a racist...means they'll assassinate your character anyway, with no due process and no presumption of innocence." ([01:34])
  • Links current climate to historic lynchings, Salem witch trials, and other violent purges.
• Personal narrative: Sasha’s shift away from leftism, due to witnessing the dehumanization of Trump and his supporters ([02:18]):
  • "It was in 2020 that I could not take it anymore. This ugly, unending, bottomless, dehumanizing of Trump and his supporters."

3. The ICE Facility Shooting & Escalating Violence

• Includes Fox News clips and official statements about a sniper attack on a Texas ICE facility, pointing to a 1,000% increase in assaults on ICE agents since 2024 ([04:07]-[06:46]).
• Touches on left-wing rhetoric equating ICE with "slave patrols" and the "Gestapo."
• Shift to policy: Discussion of California's "no Secret Police" act and Governor Newsom's statements positioning law enforcement actions as "authoritarian" ([06:46]-[08:10]).

4. How Media and Political Rhetoric Drives Violence

• Stone argues media only highlights violence when it fits their “narrative”—depicting right-wing perpetrators, underreporting left-wing acts ([09:04]).
• Hostility toward Trump supporters on social media, illustrating the “dehumanizing” edge of online discourse.
  • Montage of celebratory or callous tweets after Kirk’s murder ([11:06]).
    • "They came out on social media like flesh eating zombies from a 1950s horror movie. We won't mourn a racist or a fascist, they insisted." ([10:54])

5. Social and Political Double Standards

• Discusses differential media and political reactions if violence were perpetrated by the right vs. left, referencing Matt Walsh’s hypothetical ([25:54]).
• Cites the perceived "double standard" within the media and political establishment ([23:00]).

6. Consequences of Dehumanization and Tragedy

• Stone reads quotes, tweets, and news reactions, highlighting the lack of empathy from many in liberal circles after Kirk’s killing.
• Critiques celebrities and influencers for “both-sidesing” or deflecting responsibility ([13:18]—e.g., Amanda Seyfried).
• "It is his opinions they don't like because those are strictly verboten inside utopia. You must believe what they believe, speak like they do, or else they've never figured out the ugly truth that they are the fascists." ([14:19])

7. Moral Decay and the Call for Decency

• The failure of Democratic/left leadership to show decency or call out their side’s violence:
  • "The Democrats need a revival of decency. What if Obama or Hillary or any of them had the courage...to say, enough, enough, it's time to put our weapons down because a man was just shot in the neck for no other reason except that he didn't agree with the left[?]" ([28:21])
• Stone repeatedly invokes the “spot” imagery from Macbeth to signify a moral stain ([16:12], [28:21]).
• Discussion of “mass delusion” and the addictive nature of scapegoating Trump and the right ([29:31]).

8. Effects on the Right and Public Sentiment

• The “clarifying moment” for many center and right-leaning Americans, as the left’s excesses drive them away ([33:18]).
• Montage of TikTok clips where right-leaning and moderate voices lament that any criticism or calls for peace are still met with vilification ([30:39]-[33:18]).

9. Utopianism, Exclusion, and Historical Parallels

• Stone draws from Kundera’s The Book of Laughter and Forgetting to connect left-wing utopianism to authoritarian exclusion ([33:18]):
  • "Once the dream of paradise starts to turn into reality, however, here and there people begin to crop up who stand in its way. And so the rulers of paradise must build a little gulag on the side of Eden."
• Compares contemporary “utopia” of the left to historical totalitarian movements and the necessity for “gulags” alongside their “paradise.”

10. Tribute to Charlie Kirk

• Details the love and admiration Kirk had within the conservative movement.
• "They don't have anyone like that on the left because they can't do what Charlie did. They can't have conversations with people they see as Nazis." ([37:37])
• Ends with a challenge: at what point does the delusion end and genuine reckoning begin?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Character Assassination:
  "Even trying to stand up for someone being called a racist, like Megyn Kelly or Chris Harrison did means they'll assassinate your character anyway, with no due process and no presumption of innocence."
  — Sasha Stone [01:34]

• On Dehumanization:
  "But once they cast Trump supporters as racist white people, fascists and Nazis, there were no limits on what they could say or do."
  — Sasha Stone [02:42]

• On Social Media’s “Ritual”
  "They came out on social media like flesh eating zombies from a 1950s horror movie. We won't mourn a racist or a fascist, they insisted... The more we all felt for Charlie and his family, the uglier the social media posts became."
  — Sasha Stone [10:54]

• Twitter Reaction Montage:
  "The Charlie Kirk Memorial is a Christian nationalist political rally..."
  "Charlie's memorial service was very diverse. They had old white racists and young white racists."
  — Various, as quoted by Stone [11:06–12:54]

• On Political Rhetoric Fueling Violence:
  "If your political rhetoric encourages violence, violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell and you have no place in the political conversation of the United States of America."
  — Vice President J.D. Vance (quoted in Fox News clip) [08:42]

• On Utopian Delusion:
  "And once the dream of paradise starts to turn into reality...the rulers of paradise must build a little gulag on the side of Eden. In the course of time, the skulag grows even bigger and more perfect, while the adjoining paradise gets even smaller and poorer."
  — [33:18] (quoting Kundera)

• On the Moral Challenge:
  "The Democrats need a revival of decency...What if they apologized to all of us for lying about half the country for 10 years?"
  — Sasha Stone [28:21]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00-02:42 – Sasha outlines the theme: assassination as an outcome of political dehumanization; personal break with the left.
• 04:07-06:54 – Fox News reports on ICE facility attack, Democratic rhetoric, and rising violence.
• 09:04-11:06 – Explores double standards in media coverage of political violence, the reaction to Kirk's assassination.
• 11:06-13:18 – Montage of social media posts, illustration of public/cultural response to Kirk's murder.
• 14:36-16:20 – TikTok commentary calling out left-wing use of “fascist” label.
• 25:54-28:21 – Matt Walsh and others imagine the reaction if the violence was reversed; critique of Democrats’ silence.
• 28:21-29:27 – Call for Democratic "revival of decency"; critique of bothsides-ism from Clinton et al.
• 30:39-33:18 – TikTokers and influencers discuss left’s reaction to Erica Kirk’s forgiveness speech; impact on public perception.
• 33:18-36:03 – Reflections on utopianism, exclusion, and the rise of ideological “gulags”.
• 36:03-37:37 – Tribute to the grassroots energy and inspiration of Charlie Kirk.
• 37:37-38:35 – Closing thoughts: Is there any path back from this division?

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Sasha Stone delivers a sobering reflection on ideological radicalization, media hypocrisy, and the dangerous consequences of dehumanizing political opponents. She suggests that the left, in seeking a utopian vision, has mirrored the patterns it claims to oppose—scapegoating, ritual humiliation, and even assassination justified as righteous. Stone calls for a restoration of decency, humility, and honest reckoning from America’s leaders, warning the alternative is continued decline and violence.

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Transcript

[Sacha Stone]

Hi, this is Free Thinking through the fourth Turning. My name is Sacha Stone Assassination Nation. The Democrats need a revival of decency. They came out, all of them like Lady Macbeth, crying out damn. Spot anything to distance themselves from the words of Tyler Robinson to his lover, to justify the killing of Charlie Kirk. What was Charlie's big crime? He believed in the biological reality of men and women and refused to go along with what he thought was a lie. To Tyler Robinson, that meant he was spreading too much hate and it could not be negotiated down. He was not having a mental collapse. He was not suicidal. He was a cold blooded assassin doing the bidding of fanatics whose fury had brought them to this deadly moment. And so Charlie had to die. Because that's what happens to fascists. All of us who have been booted out of utopia for one reason or another knows what it feels like to have our characters assassinated by people who think their moral superiority means they have the right to be judge, jury, and now executioner of those who refuse to comply and conform. One wrong word and you're a racist. Even trying to stand up for someone being called a racist, like Megyn Kelly or Chris Harrison did means they'll assassinate your character anyway, with no due process and no presumption of innocence. It was in 2020 that I could not take it anymore. This ugly, unending, bottomless, dehumanizing of Trump and his supporters. Maybe it was my overabundance of empathy, maybe it was that I'd been attacked, my character assassinated. Or maybe it was lockdowns, my dear friend and ex boyfriend overdosing on heroin from loneliness, and my daughter moving across the country. Whatever it was, I felt the cold hand of evil every time I logged on. And I watched them unleash hell on one man, his family, his staff and his supporters. Why are they doing this? I demanded of them. They must know what I know, that dehumanizing whole groups of people is never the right side of history, no matter what. But once they cast Trump supporters as racist white people, fascists and Nazis, there were no limits on what they could say or do. But someone had to be lying. Why would millions of people have voted for Trump, including my brother, if he were as bad as the media said he was? And it turns out it wasn't just the media doing the lying, it was the Democrats too, and all of the good soldiers on social media going along with their lies. I used to be one of them. I went along with the lies, too, because I thought we were fighting to defeat an existential threat. But by the end of it, all I could see was that we'd built an empire of lies, just like Bernie Madoff did, and that our empire would collapse just like his. Once people started to uncover the truth, it was always going to end up here, because that's how dehumanization campaigns always end. Lynchings in the Deep south, concentration camps in Nazi Germany and the hangings in Salem or the manson murders in 1969, the bombings of the Capitol in the 1970s, and now attacks on ICE officers. Here is Mark Halperin covering for Megyn Kelly.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

A shooter opening fire on a Dallas, Texas ICE facility yesterday morning, killing one and injuring two before turning the gun on himself. Authorities confirming no law enforcement officers were injured in the attack. Instead, all three victims are ICE detainees, the two survivors now in critical condition. According to authorities. The attack occurring around 6:40am local time. A sniper positioned on a nearby rooftop began firing indiscriminately at the facility, including towards a van and a secured entryway. Fox News reporting the victims were inside the van when they were hit. Multiple news organizations identifying the shooter now as 29 year old Joshua Yawn, his body found dead with a rifle. Nearby on a rooftop. Authorities recovering shell casings near his body. FBI Director Cash Patel releasing a photo showing one shell with the words anti ICE written on the side. Special Agent in Charge of the Dallas field office John Rothrock at a press conference Wednesday morning.

[Sacha Stone]

I can confirm at this time that the FBI is investigating this incident as.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

An act of targeted violence. It is unfortunately just the most recent example we've seen of targeted violence to include here in North Texas.

[Sacha Stone]

We're back on July 4th, we saw a coordinated test attack carried out against an immigration detention center in Alvarado, Texas.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Special Agent Rothrock referencing there a July 4th attack on an ICE facility. At least 10 people armed with tactical gear and weapons allegedly attacking the facility, shooting a local law enforcement officer in the process. That officer is expected to recover from the injury. Yesterday's shooting marking at least the fourth violent incident or threatened against the Texas ICE or Customs and Border Patrol Protection facility this year as President Trump ramps up immigration enforcement efforts, aiming to conduct the largest mass deportation effort in U.S. history. Democrats ramping up their rhetoric. Here, a sampling of some Democratic talking points from recent months. Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that. This is not the Soviet Union. We're not behind the Iron Curtain. When I see ice, I see slave patrols. We will continue to call out the terrorist organization that is ice. If everything is legitimate and proper, why are you wearing masks? This is not Germany. That's the SS and the Gestapo.

[Sacha Stone]

They're acting more like vigilantes than of agents of our government.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Homeland security reporting a 1,000% increase in assaults against ICE agents, including doxing campaigns, compared to the same period in 2024. In March, several ICE agents doxed in Southern California, leading to widespread use of masking by agents. Earlier this week, California Governor Gavin Newsom signing into law the so called no Secret Police act, attempting to ban law enforcement officers from covering their faces. Governor Newsom, Tuesday on Stephen Colbert's late night show, saying left wing rhetoric on immigration enforcement is not hyperbolic. Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, people disappearing, no due process, no oversight, zero accountability happening in the United States of America today. People ask, well, is authoritarianism. You're being hyperbolic. We're being hyperbolic. If you're a black and brown community, it's here in this country. And so I'm deeply proud that I had the privilege of signing the nation's first bill to address the issue of masking. Also to require you have simple identification. To your point, I mean, if some guy jumped out of an unmarked car in a van with a mask on, tried to grab me, I mean, by definition, you're going to push back. And so these are not just authoritarian tendencies, these are authoritarian actions by an authoritarian government. Vice President J.D. vance at a Wednesday event in North Carolina slamming Democrats in the wake of the shooting, calling out Governor Newsom directly and by name. It is time to stop the rhetorical assault on law enforcement. Because here's what happens when Democrats like Gavin Newsom did say that these people are part of an authoritarian government. When the left wing media lies about what they're doing, when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence. You don't have to agree with my immigration policies. You don't have to agree with Donald Trump's immigration policies. But if your political rhetoric encourages violence, violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell and you have no place in the political conversation of the United States of America.

[Sacha Stone]

The violence has continued because it's barely been reported accurately. They only publicize killings if they fit the already prescribed narrative. Like if a far right white man opened fire. When it's on their side, they never address ideology. They say nothing. When the hive mind indulges in a Trump death fantasy for an entire weekend, or TikTok users begging for someone to just do it and become a hero or planning their celebrations for the day Trump dies. Where else did they think this was going? It wasn't just the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It was the response to the assassination. It was revealing because it showed just how delicious it all was for them. Why else would they have been celebrating and cheering? That's the itch they want to scratch and they're just glad someone out there got the job done so they didn't have to get their hands dirty. Oh how good that feels when all you have are fantasies and words and cancel culture and shunning and screaming at which then became spitting on and kicking and finally shooting Frank it was the second time in just two months that.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

A pro Trump rally turned violent here.

[Sacha Stone]

At the Capitol, and now organizers are.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Asking questions of protesters and police before they make plans to meet here again. I thought it was going to be a good political event.

[Sacha Stone]

They looked forward to hearing lawmakers and supporters speak inside the Capitol to mark the president's first 100 days in office.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

The two guys who were blocking me out grabbed hold of the back of my backpack and flung me down the stairs.

[Sacha Stone]

But John Wise and Dee Dee Buckley had no idea how hard it would.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Be to get there. I fell on my right shoulder, my right hip and my right knee.

[Sacha Stone]

Y says his cuts and bruises came.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Shortly after another Trump supporter.

[Sacha Stone]

Was pushed to the ground and kicked in the head. Violence. That's what all of this was invented for, right? How else do you think you could get people to fight and kill in war? They came out on social media like flesh eating zombies from a 1950s horror movie. We won't mourn a racist or a fascist, they insisted. It seemed to track alongside the decency of those whose humanity was still intact and who knew that we don't shoot people because they disagree with us. The more we all felt for Charlie and his family, the uglier the social media posts became. For podcast listeners, here is a sampling of a montage of tweets from the actress Ellen Barkin. They would do well to remember that the Nuremberg rally was followed by the Nuremberg Trials from Machine Pun Kelly. It's sacrilege the way they are canonizing Charlie Kirk. Jesus didn't hate people. Charlie Kirk spread hate, not Christian nightmares. The Charlie Kirk Memorial is a Christian nationalist political rally and winter politics. This Charlie Kirk Memorial is just another Klan rally and more maga. We don't want you dead. We just want you to be Smarter. No disrespect to the grieving, but it really seems like Erica Kirk has been waiting for this moment so she could take her place in the spotlight. Charlie Kirk's memorial service was very diverse. They had old white racists and young white racists. All I'm going to say is the universe gives you what you put out. America's Nuremberg Rally. Almost like we're living in 1935. Charlie Kirk spread a lot of hate and look where it got him. Don't worry, fellow liberals, there are thousands of us in Arizona who aren't celebrating the life of a racist today. Raise your hand if you didn't cry today because a racist and bigot had died. They could not absorb what happened to America, so it had to be Charlie's fault. Out damn spot. For podcast listeners, a post from Amanda Seyfried. You can't invite violence to the dinner table and be shocked when it starts eating. Amanda Seyfried then backed away and gaslighted like they always do, deflecting blame, bringing up other acts of violence to lessen what just happened to America, she says. I can get angry about misogyny and racist rhetoric and also very much agree that Charlie Kirk's murder was absolutely disturbing and deplorable in every way imaginable. No one should have to experience this level of violence. This country is grieving too many senseless and violent deaths and shootings. Can we agree on that at least? But this was it. The moment people like her and the Democrats, along with their influencers, could have stood up, led by example, and said enough Hollywood. The left, the Democrats have never looked uglier. Try as they might to reclaim their moral superiority, their reaction to Charlie's death said it all. Even if many of them did not go along with it, the fact that they haven't stood up against it makes them culpable for that and everything that's coming next. Charlie did not incite violence. He did not spread hate. He stated his opinions while listening to the opinions of others. It is his opinions they don't like because those are strictly verboten inside utopia. You must believe what they believe, speak like they do, or else they've never figured out the ugly truth that they are the fascists. As this TikTok user brilliantly explained, looked.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Up fascist because it's another thing that people slandered Charlie Kirk as being right. Even the assassin put hey fascists on the bullet casing cartridge. And once again, I'm in disbelief because the people claiming that Charlie Kirk is a fascist Are the themselves the fascists. A fascist is a dictator. And somebody that forcibly quiets opposition from people, like, doesn't listen to their opinions and like with threatened violence will quiet them. Right. Charlie used to go to colleges and give the dumbest people the mic and let them talk for a long time. Sometimes when I was watching him debate, I'd be like, charlie, just. Just tell him to be quiet. Get him. Get him off the mic. So he was an anti fascist and the people that literally supported and cheered him for being killed are supporters of fascism essentially. Right? Because they forcefully quieted an opinion that they did not agree with or supported the quieting of an opinion that they did not agree with. Make it make sense.

[Sacha Stone]

Charlie's death was a test, one they failed. They spent all of their decency cred turning Jimmy Kimmel into a martyr for free speech. As the news was breaking that the Biden administration forced YouTube to censor and demonetize those who would not use preferred pronouns or dared to doubt the results of the 2020 election, Kimmel cried. So what? Kimmel got high ratings. So what? Nothing could clean them of the stench out. Damn spot.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

I know a lot of y' all think that we. That that, that. That we can't see the real reason why y' all are going are doing this about Charlie Kirk. I'm gonna tell you why you're doing this about Charlie Kirk. I'm gonna say it right now. You're hoping to get that stench off you. See, I'm gonna repeat Greg Gutford fell for a second. Y' all hoping to get that stench off of you. See everybody. Everybody see Charlie been dead for a week and everybody now knows exactly who they're at who their real friends and their real enemies are. Y' all have forced the friend enemy distinctions on us. Y' all have forced the friend enemy distinctions on to everybody. Y' all do not. Y' all will never know what it's like to wake up one morning and realize that half your co workers hate you and are celebrating the death of someone you didn't. There's someone you respected knowing damn well that you've got views very similar to his and would probably celebrate if you got ventilated that same way. Y' all will never have to deal with that. Y' all will never have to deal with that. But y' all act. But y'.

[Sacha Stone]

All.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

But the thing is now you're acting like people don't see what you did. Everybody knows that you've been out here partying up. You've rolled around in this man's blood. And people smell it. They don't like the smell. They don't like what. They don't like seeing what they're. What they've seen out of you. And now you think because you think, because you yell pretty loud about some late night talk show host, you think that's supposed to affect. You think that's supposed to win hearts and minds. After we saw you, after we saw what you. You celebrated the shedding of innocent blood, and now you want to pretend like nobody. Now you want to pretend like nobody sees you. God sees you. God sees you, y'. All. And that's. And you know what? Out of everything. And I'm gonna leave you with this. The biggest problem right now is that y' all are operating without any fear of God, without any fear of. Of. Of consequences. You have literally operated at the privilege of the state. You have operated with. You have operated with the impunity that being on the side of all of the institutions and being on the side of the state gets you.

[Sacha Stone]

After they destroyed and ripped up their version of Charlie, the High wore off. Hungry for more, they went after his wife, Erica. These tweets received hundreds of thousands of likes, which is why they appear at the top of everyone's feed. Each time you are given a choice. Flesh eating zombie or decency. Now, she was a woman who was acting who didn't shed a single tear. They dug into her past and found a bikini pic of her from the days as Miss Arizona and somehow connected her to Trump. For podcast listeners, a montage of truly vile tweets about Erica Kirk. Some samples include no agony on her face. It's clearly a show. Not a trace of tears in sight. And about Charlie, it's insane how ugly he was. And another tweet. All right, now let's get back to what is actually important. And a picture of Charlie Kirk with Trump's Epstein drawing carved into his face. Charlie Kirk is an actor. Erica Kirk is an actor. Donald Trump is an actor. Tyler Robinson is an actor. It's all staged, and on and on it goes. If you'd like to see them, you can look at the graphic on the site. Nothing could clean them of the stench of Charlie's blood. No matter how hard they tried to rewrite the narrative that they were the good guys fighting the actual Nazis, they have to reckon with the truth about who Charlie really was and then ask themselves whether these tweets, this decade long dehumanization, mean they had nothing to do with it. And even now must continue to pummel Charlie's reputation when he's not even here to defend himself. For podcast listeners, a tweet from Scott Adams. Democratic leaders are 100% to blame for recent violence against Republicans. The individuals who commit the violent acts have to take the legal consequences alone. That is our system, and no other system would work. But none of them cooked up their opinions on their own, even if they were brainwashed by peers. The peers got it from the news and the Democratic leaders. Complex actions don't happen without ideas. The ideas arrive in the form of words. Newsom and Hillary and other loathsome Democratic leaders created our dangerous situation with words, Nazis, etc. And they are obviously aware of their actions. So far, the leadership of the right has not responded in kind, probably because of moral and ethical limits. Let's hope it stays that way. The Democrat Party is in full collapse, so I expect more violence as their last resort. The Legacy Media knew 10 years ago that violence was rising on the left in response to Trump as a direct result of the messages they were sending. They were not telling us the truth. Not then, not now.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Bryan and Ainsley. It was an ugly scene yesterday afternoon in San Jose when several hundred protesters targeted Donald Trump's supporters after his rally. And this video gives you an idea of what it was like for some of those folks as they tried to leave. This woman wearing a Trump shirt tried confronting some of the protesters and started taunting them when she had eggs thrown at her face. Watch how grown men stood there screaming.

[Sacha Stone]

At her and cheering.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Him on. She's egging them on. Yeah, yeah, she's an idiot. She's egging him on. Oh, my God. Throwing eggs at her. Katrina Pierson, national spokesperson for the. And Richard Faller, a nationally syndicated radio talk show host and senior fellow at the New Leaders Council. Richard, I'll start with you. Why don't we see liberals act more aggressively when it comes to condemning violence like this? Well, what we saw in San Jose, what we saw a couple nights ago in Berkeley, it's wrong, right? Violence should never be tolerated, but what should be allowed is peaceful protests, people saying and speaking their mind. That's our first First Amendment right. And that's what those folks are doing when they go to violence. It's wrong and they should be arrested. They're thugs. It's awful. You've seen Hillary Clinton say that. We've seen Bernie Sanders say that. We've seen Democratic. We've seen senators say that. They said it, though Trish just moments ago said something in response when he was asked about it. Hillary Clinton needed to be asked about it. Katrina Pearson, why aren't the two leading candidates in the Democratic Party coming out taking a stand and saying, enough with the violence? Well, you know, Trish, it's simple. The media is not asking them to. This started with the Chicago rally. We know for a fact there were left organizations participating in this. Bill Ayers himself was there and reporting on the ground. Moveon.org was involved. Black Lives Matter was involved. There were tons of left organizations since that rally. And these protests have done nothing but escalated. And you played a clip earlier that was absolutely right. These types of intimidation tactics have gone on in this country for years, and it's always by the left. And somehow they want the blame on Donald Trump. And we're just not going to let that happen. Let me jump in and just ask you, Katrina, if it had been supporters for Donald Trump that were out at a Hillary Clinton campaign rally and if they had acted like that, if they had thrown eggs at someone, if they were burning flags, if they had, they were insulting police, how would things be different right now? Well, first of all, there'd be a petition to have Donald Trump withdraw from the race and everybody else fired. A Trump supporter could have just a sign that the left doesn't like, and all of a sudden they'll be labeled all these things or even attacked for that matter. There is a double standard in this country.

[Sacha Stone]

Some of them want to pat themselves on the back for finally noticing and writing stories about what people on the right have been talking about for years. For podcast listeners, a headline from the Atlantic, left wing Terrorism is on the rise. For the first time in more than 30 years, attacks by the far left outnumber those by the far right. And Matt Walsh imagines what would have happened if all of this had gone the other way.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Imagine, if you can, that Kamala Harris had won the last election. In other words, imagine that the same Democrats who ran the Biden administration, the operatives who hunted down the January 6th defendants, who wrote Biden's speeches declaring that MAGA Republicans are the greatest terror threat in the entire country, who launched criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump and his senior advisors, are all still in power. And now imagine that a right wing radical shoots and kills one of the most influential liberals in the country. On camera and imagine that tens of thousands of other conservatives, just normal people, airline pilots, teachers, politicians, everybody, shamelessly celebrate the assassination and openly call for more of them. And now imagine that in the same week, yet another right winger shoots up a country club while shouting maga and another right winger shoots up a news station and leaves behind a manifesto complaining about liberal bias in the media. And then imagine that a Trump supporter plants a bomb underneath one of MSNBC's broadcast fans. And now imagine that a week after all of those attacks, a conservative sniper perched on a rooftop fires into a Planned Parenthood clinic, killing or injuring multiple people. And then imagine that this Planned Parenthood attack was just the latest in a string of them stretching back several months. Now, in this scenario, is there any doubt how Democrats would respond? Is there any doubt at all that they would wage a full scale war on conservatives? Have people like me frog marched in front of cameras and handcuffs and leg irons? Is there any doubt that they would declare martial law and label all right wing expression incitement? Is there any doubt that they would be rounding up conservatives as we speak by the busload and shipping us to Gitmo? Is there any doubt that they would have Fox News and every other conservative media company shut down and its executives arrested or sued into bankruptcy? Now, I asked this question yesterday on social media, generated a lot of reaction. Will Cain mentioned it on his show on Fox News. But actually this hypothetical really doesn't go nearly far enough in describing the extent of the left wing terror campaign that's underway in this country.

[Sacha Stone]

The Democrats need a revival of decency. What if Obama or Hillary or any of them had the courage and yes, the decency to say, enough, enough, it's time to put our weapons down because a man was just shot in the neck for no other reason except that he didn't agree with the left. What if they could say that? What if they could have their own revival, a revival of decency? What if that was the message Jimmy Kimmel gave? What if the Democrats made speeches in Congress and that was the message? What if they apologized to all of us for lying about half the country for 10 years? What if they said it was wrong to call other people Nazis and fascists the best they can muster? Because even they know how bad this looks. Deep down they know is to both sides it as Hillary does here.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

We have got to stop demonizing each other. Exactly. Yeah. Now I think most of that right.

[Sacha Stone]

Now in our country's history is coming, you know, from the right, coming from.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

People who want to dominate. They want their point of view, their.

[Sacha Stone]

Right, you know, writing out slavery from history. That doesn't make it go away. You know, we have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating and rather than focus on themselves and what they've done. They've had Trump to use as their dumping ground and they're addicted to the daily ritual. That's the only purpose Jimmy Kimmel serves now in John Oliver, Stephen Colbert and the legacy media in Hollywood. But you have to ask, when is it enough? 10 years of nothing but blaming Trump, of hating and bullying people who might not agree with their increasingly cult like doctrine. With no one in the Democratic Party to call them out or tell them to stand down. No one in the media either. And if no one tells them that it's wrong, why would they stop? They've lost everything. Their numbers are in the toilet because Americans can't stand them anymore. The death of Charlie Kirk and their reaction to it have only made it worse. Here is a montage of tick tockers.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

When are people going to realize you just can't win with a liberal? They're going to hate you no matter what you do. Charlie Kirk's memorial was the other day. At the memorial, his wife Erica is up there giving a speech and she's talking about how she forgives Charlie's killer. She essentially says, I forgive this man because that's what my faith teaches me to do. And what happens next? All of the lefties in the comment section start blasting her. The Oscar goes to this is acting. Do people actually believe this? Something is off. Did she even love him? You just can't win with people like this. First they were saying, this is a time to unite, lower the temperature, don't respond with violence. We do that, his wife does that, lowers the temperature, says I forgive the killer, and then she gets attacked. People are calling her a fraud. But if she responds in an authentic way and has rage and anger. Right. You're going to say the far right is violent. I actually might lose a couple of followers for this one. But I truly don't care what side of the line you fall on on your feelings towards Charlie Kirk. If you're concerned condoning someone getting shot in the neck for having a debate and speaking this mind and just having an opinion in general, I don't know if I can. I don't know if we can rock together like that. It just, it truly is kind of sad that anyone with an opinion this now can't really voice that out and talk about something they want to talk about. Because that's what we're doing right here, right? We're having a conversation. I'm speaking my mind, my opinions, and we're just seeing if we align with that or not. And if you don't align with it, you can can leave. If you do, then you stay. That's how it works. You don't have to hurt somebody. So, good morning. My feed has been so full with everything going on.

[Sacha Stone]

Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. Everyone's talking about it, but I want.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

To give you guys a different aspect on it.

[Sacha Stone]

And it's really hard to see the better of humanity.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

But, you know, I think that a.

[Sacha Stone]

Lot of people on the left, or.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

I don't know, a lot, A good.

[Sacha Stone]

Number, I mean, a number, a good number, they're choosing to leave the left. They're saying this, this is enough. I mean, look at what the left are doing.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

They're being measured by what they're doing.

[Sacha Stone]

They're being measured by what they're posting.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

They're being measured by what they're saying. Labeling Charlie as a racist, misogynistic homophobe isn't criticism. It's character assassination with the goal of censorship. They didn't just assassinate him physically, they want to assassinate his legacy too, but we won't let them. They'll twist your words into lies in order to silence anyone who dares to speak the truth, justify their violence and celebrate your death while dragging your name through the mud.

[Sacha Stone]

It has been a clarifying moment for many of us who might have been holding out hope that something this horrific might finally pierce the mass delusion that has taken us to this very dark place. The problem with what we built our utopia oh so long ago, at the dawn of social media, the iPhone, and our God and king, Barack Obama was explained best by Milan Kundera in his book the Book of Laughter and Forgetting. Totalitarianism is not only hell, but all the dream of paradise, the age old dream of a world where everybody would live in harmony, united by a single common will and faith, without secrets from one another. Andre Breton too dreamed of this paradise when he talked about the glass house in which he longed to live. And if totalitarianism did not exploit these archetypes which are deep inside us and rooted deep in all religions, it could never attract so many people, especially during the earlier phases of its existence. And once the dream of paradise starts to turn into reality, however, here and there people begin to crop up who stand in its way. And so the rulers of paradise must build a little gulag on the side of Eden. In the course of time, the skulag grows even bigger and more perfect, while the adjoining paradise gets even smaller and poorer. Having an insulated, isolated utopia where the rest of America is locked out allows everyone to play the part. They want. Eugene Carroll gets to pretend she was defamed and walk away with almost $100 million. Jimmy Kimmel gets to pretend he's a good guy, never meant to smear maga and receives glowing headlines in the wake of it. Kamala Harris gets to pretend she ran a successful campaign, but America was too racist and sexist to vote for her. I used to think this was our biggest problem, this two tiered society there castle in the sky. But after Charlie, now it is so much worse than that. And why can't they see what they've become? Why can't they see where it has taken us? And perhaps it was the immense outpouring of love for Charlie, the overwhelming grief of so many people and the admiration for the impressive movement he built which helped change the country and elect a president that made them feel a little bit jealous.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

This is such a huge boon. For breaking news, Florida just counted their votes again. For fun. They just, they did it three times. They've already done it three times. Who is the, who is the last Republican to hold that seat? Oh, gosh, Brett. Probably they just called it for Pennsylvania. Charlie, it is. Fox just called reporting it. Let's go, baby. Charlie, what is the number? What is the number on that bar? Is that it? Are they going to actually count the votes in Arizona now because they've given up? Fox News decides Donald Trump is President of the United States. We've got our republic public back, folks. Let's go. Everyone stand up. Let's go. We're not going. We're not going back. Fox called it right there. Holy cow. God bless America. They call Pennsylvania. Is the president speak now? I, I, I, who's saying that? Fox called it. I, I, I'm sure they did, but we're seeing Fox call live. Charlie saying it. Let me, let me give you credit. From right here in Pennsylvania, you were the guy. You and Tyler convinced me. You said, cliff, stop door knocking across the country. Go back to your home state, own Pennsylvania. That will be the deciding factor. I thought you guys were nuts. We knocked 500,000 doors, we delivered Pennsylvania, and now we got our country back. Let's do this, baby. Come on.

[Sacha Stone]

They don't have anyone like that on the left because they can't do what Charlie did. They can't have conversations with people they see as Nazis. And sooner or later, the mass delusion will come to an end. It always does. Those who believe themselves to be better than half the country will have to face the truth about who they are. The only question is how bad it will get before they do. Thank you for listening to my podcast, Sashastone.com and remember to thine own self be true.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

There's something happening here what it is ain't exactly clear there's a man with a gun over there telling me I.

[Sacha Stone]

Got to beware I think it's time.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

We stop children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down there Bad lines being wrong nobody's right if everybody's.

[Sacha Stone]

Wrong.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Young people speaking their minds are.

[Sacha Stone]

Getting so much resistance found before the right time we stopped hey, what's that sound?

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Everybody look what's going down What a.

[Sacha Stone]

Field day for the heat A thousand.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

People in the street singing songs and.

[Sacha Stone]

To carry inside mostly sa ray for.

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Our side it's time we stop what's that sound? Everybody look what's rolling now Paranoia strikes deep into your life it will creep it starts when you're always afraid Step out of line the man come and.

[Sacha Stone]

Take you away you better stop what's that sound?

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Everybody look what's going. You never stop hey, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going.

[Sacha Stone]

You better stop now. What's that sound?

[Fox News Anchor/Reporter]

Everybody look what's going. You better stop children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going.

[Sacha Stone]

Never stop naming.