The Democrats are Trapped in a Hell of Their Own Making

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Democrats are Trapped in a Hell of Their Own Making"

Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone
Host: Sasha Stone
Episode Release Date: August 6, 2025

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Introduction

In the episode titled "The Democrats are Trapped in a Hell of Their Own Making," host Sasha Stone delves deep into the current political landscape of the United States, examining the decline of the Democratic Party and the rise of figures like Donald Trump. Stone, a former Democrat and Leftist, discusses his journey away from the party and offers a critical analysis of the factors contributing to the Democrats' struggles.

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Democrats' Internal Struggles and Media Influence

Stone begins by criticizing prominent Democratic media figures, suggesting that their hyperbolic rhetoric is detrimental to democracy. He states:

"They are afflicted with the disease of hyperbole and they can't seem to find their way out of it." ([00:00])

He questions the paranoia within elite media circles, comparing their fears to those of Anne Frank's family hiding from the Nazis, emphasizing the self-destructive nature of their narrative.

Mass Immigration and the West's Decline

The conversation shifts to the topic of mass immigration, where an anonymous speaker challenges traditional narratives. He acknowledges that mass immigration has significantly impacted Western civilization but reframes it within the context of the United States:

"Mass immigration did destroy the West... but the US is barely 250 years old, founded on the genocide, displacement, and enslavement of people for resource extraction and racial hierarchy." ([02:53])

This perspective underscores the idea that the U.S. does not possess the same continuous cultural lineage as ancient civilizations like China or Japan, attributing Western decline to settler colonialism rather than preserving a so-called sacred homeland.

The Overreach of Democratic Extremism

Stone critiques the Democratic Party's extreme rhetoric, arguing that they have exhausted all threats to democracy, leaving them with no credible position. He asserts:

"They hit the wall. You can't get any more extreme than the most extreme because they can no longer distinguish between fantasy and reality." ([02:53])

This extremism, Stone believes, has alienated the American populace, making it impossible for Democrats to reconnect with voters.

Trump's Resilience and Online Influence

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Donald Trump's adept use of social media and his connection to "America the Place" versus "America Online." Stone contrasts Trump's grassroots approach with the Democrats' online-centric strategy:

"Trump was someone who didn't just build his platform online, as the Democrats have done. He also invested his time in America, the place he built his house of bricks, and the Democrats did not." ([06:56])

He highlights how Trump's presence in small-town America and his direct engagement with constituents allowed him to maintain relevance and influence, unlike the Democrats who remained siloed in the digital sphere.

Media Manipulation and the Russian Interference Narrative

Stone explores the narrative crafted around Russian interference in the 2016 election, suggesting it was a strategic move by the establishment to delegitimize Trump:

"The problem is everything. It's the empire. Americans rightly chose the less crazy side in 2024." ([04:38])

He questions the authenticity of the Russiagate narrative, implying it was orchestrated to prevent a populist uprising and maintain the status quo.

The Disconnect Between Democrats and the American Electorate

Stone reflects on his personal journey traveling across America, witnessing diverse communities and realizing that the Democratic Party's online persona does not reflect the realities of "America the Place." He states:

"The America I thought I Knew, based on 30 years online and the woketopia we constructed... has almost nothing to do with America the place." ([15:07])

This disconnect, according to Stone, has led the Democrats to lose touch with their voter base, contributing to their political downfall.

The Future of American Democracy and Social Media's Role

Concluding the episode, Stone emphasizes the enduring presence of the internet and social media in shaping American politics. He warns that if the Democratic establishment remains disconnected from the physical realities of America, democracy could deteriorate into a controlled, Orwellian state:

"If the Democratic establishment had remained in power in 2024, America... would cease to exist as America Online became one of an ideologically aligned multi-country borders would disappear." ([28:28])

Stone calls for a return to reality and urges the Democratic Party to bridge the gap between their online strategies and the lived experiences of everyday Americans.

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Notable Quotes

• Sasha Stone ([00:00]):
  "The Democrats are trapped in a hell of their own making."

• Anonymous Speaker 1 ([02:53]):
  "Mass immigration did destroy the West... but the US is barely 250 years old, founded on the genocide, displacement, and enslavement of people for resource extraction and racial hierarchy."

• Sasha Stone ([06:56]):
  "Trump was someone who didn't just build his platform online, as the Democrats have done. He also invested his time in America, the place he built his house of bricks, and the Democrats did not."

• Anonymous Speaker 7 ([25:07]):
  "When will Americans be uncomfortable enough to do what needs to be done?"

• Sasha Stone ([28:28]):
  "If the demise of the Democratic Party plays out like a whodunit I can tell you that the culprit is this imaginary online world all of us built so long ago."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Sasha Stone presents a critical examination of the Democratic Party's strategies and their disconnection from the American electorate. By contrasting the grassroots approach of Donald Trump with the Democrats' online-centric tactics, Stone offers insights into the shifting dynamics of American politics. He warns of the dangers of an insular, online-driven political culture and calls for a reconnection with the tangible realities of "America the Place" to preserve the integrity of democracy.

For more insights and to support the podcast, visit sashastone.com.

Transcript

[Sacha Stone]

Hi, this is Free Thinking through the fourth Turning. My name is Sacha Stone. The Democrats are trapped in a hell of their own making. America. The place made Trump. America Online destroyed the Democrats. I sometimes wonder what it must be like at bedtime for the New York Times, Peter Baker and his wife, the New Yorker Susan Glasser. Do they worry that the Gestapo will kick down their door and haul them off to alligator Alcatraz for writing negatively about Trump? Do they watch out their window for the bright light of a circling black ops helicopter? Do they cling to each other in the dark and whisper like they're Anne Frank's family hiding from the Nazis? For them and millions just like them enjoying their lives at the top of the food chain, every day is the end of democracy, the end of America and the end of the world. They are afflicted with the disease of hyperbole and they can't seem to find their way out of it. Here is a video of Tiktokers. So I understand there's a new club in TikTok and it is the non practicing whites. Those of us who are absolutely just fed up and tired of colonizing racist white behavior by people in our country that are around us, people in power, people who are just cult following mouth readers who have decided that yeah, that's what they that they can agree with.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So this person's trying to defend white supremacy. See the first part on this, but here's the follow up. The root issue with this, aside from the blatant hypocrisy, is I do agree with one thing. Mass immigration did destroy the West. You can ask indigenous native folks. White nationalists love to complain about how mass immigration destroyed western civilization, but somehow forget that they are. The mass immigration that destroyed the US is a settler colonial project. It is not a sacred ancient homeland of white people. China and Japan are millennia old civilizations with yeah, internal ethnic tensions, but a continuous cultural through line and relationship to their land. That is not the case of the US. The US is barely 250 years old as we know it, founded on the genocide, displacement and enslavement of people for resource extraction and racial hierarchy. This is not about protecting native land. This is stolen land. And the only culture that y' all are preserving is violent expansionism dressed up as patriotism. Colonialism is the original mass immigration that destabilized the the globe. Y' all said mass immigration destroyed the West. You're accidentally right, which is crazy, just not how you meant it.

[Sacha Stone]

And once you use up threats to democracy, Hitler, fascist dictator, Nazi, racist, Rapist, pedophile. You have nowhere left to go. You've hit the wall. You can't get any more extreme than the most extreme because they can no longer distinguish between fantasy and reality. They are too crazy to lead this country and Americans know it. Nothing they can do now can fix the problem, because the problem is everything. It's the empire. Americans rightly chose the less crazy side in 2024. They chose the real America, not America. I got online 30 years ago. I helped build the empire. I fought like a good soldier for the Democrats until I could not stand living inside what became a doomsday cult anymore. And in 2020, I left. Since then, I've been sifting through the wreckage of the last 10 years, trying to make sense of it. Was this just the unintended consequences of a movement rooted largely on lying? Is that how we became so disconnected from the truth and reality? Or was there more? As the Russiagate hoax unravels and hungry reporters like Matt Taibbi excavate just how deep the rabbit hole goes, I have to wonder, was any of it real? Were we just tools of the establishment to prevent a populist uprising? Have they destroyed the collective mental health of millions of Americans just as a power grab?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I'm at the point where I want to burn the White House down and we are president of law and order.

[Sacha Stone]

And an ally of all peaceful protesters. Seeing behind me is one of multiple.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Locations that have been burning. In Kenosha, Wisconsin, demonstrators gathering overnight in.

[Unknown Speaker 4]

Atlanta over the Fatal shooting of 27.

[Sacha Stone]

Year old Rayshawn Brooks. When a real revolution hit the streets in the summer of 2020, a generation believed they were fighting the system because they were told Trump was the system. They didn't realize they were the unwitting puppets of a much bigger system. A hearts and minds campaign that destroyed their sense of reality, this country's unity and any hope of coming out of it.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

What the.

[Sacha Stone]

Overnight, more rage and destructions in cities across the west on Sunday.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Angry mobs ignoring mandatory curfews, violently clashing with police, overturning cars, torching buildings and looting stores.

[Sacha Stone]

What the last 10 years are starting to look like to me is that our government orchestrated the same kind of color revolution they've used to manipulate the elections in other countries. Only this time they did it here. They had the motive, the means and the opportunity. Motive to destroy the man who threatened our king, Barack Obama means they controlled everything from the legacy media to Hollywood to social media. Opportunity create an ongoing crisis that would require a whole of society approach to combat such as Communism or Covid. It's very likely the same people who manufactured protests in other countries did the same thing here, at least to some degree. Why wouldn't they? All they had to do was sell Trump as an existential threat who only won because Putin meddled in our elections. And just like that, he's illegitimate. Here are protests at Trump's inaugural, the.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Office of President of the United States.

[Sacha Stone]

The press wasn't going to challenge them. They'd spend 10 years going after Trump. No one in the resistance would either, because they couldn't be seen as normalizing a fascist. All institutions, corporations and celebrities were all in on the war effort. And yet they failed. Trump beat them at their own game. How did he do that? Because Trump was someone who didn't just build his platform online, as the Democrats have done. He also invested his time in America, the place he built his house of bricks, and the Democrats did not. A New America Online it all sounded so good when Barack Obama built his coalition and his army of devoted followers on Twitter. I was one of them. The first record of an Obama Twitter account was in March of 2007. He signed up for it, but hadn't used it and had just 23 followers. Podcast listeners a picture of Barack Obama's Twitter haven't updated yet. By May 5th of 2007, Obama was using Twitter to speak directly to his now 1,475 followers, wondering why four years after President Bush landed on aircraft carrier, declared mission accomplished, we are still at war. On November 3, 2007, Obama was building a much bigger coalition, laying out his plans and appearances, and now had 5,000 followers. Podcast listeners A tweet in Cedar Rapids, Iowa at Coe College for the MySpace MTV Presidential Dialogue. It will stream live at 1:30pm heading into the election. The last capture is on November 1, 2008. Podcast listeners a tweet by Barack Obama in Des Moines, Iowa, early Vote for Change rally. Watch it live. I got on Twitter around that time too, because Obama was the new thing and so was Twitter. They grew up together and in so doing birthed a new America Online, a new empire, a new utopia. As of today, Barack Obama is followed by 130 million people, second only to Elon Musk. This might explain, at least in part, why all of us perceive Donald Trump as such an existential threat. Trump used Twitter too, and he had been using the app himself since around 2010. Podcast listeners a tweet from Real Donald Trump Tonight. I trade places with Larry King and interview him on the 25th anniversary of his show, politicians speaking directly to the people as though all of us could reach out and touch them is without precedent in American history. At least in the modern age. It might have seemed like all of us were ahead of the game. Back then, we had complete control of the media narrative. If we wanted to spread the lie that Mitt Romney was a sexist because he had binders full of women, we could. But Trump had a platform and a voice equal to that of Obama's. That meant there was only so much he could do to shape the narrative. Trump did it all on his own as his tweets began to drive the news cycle, especially after he won in 2016. And how could they not? It must have driven Hillary Clinton and the Democrats insane That Trump had access to Twitter and could say whatever he wanted to say and they could do nothing about it. For podcast listeners, a tweet from Trump. After decades of lies and scandal, crooked Hillary's corruption is closing in. By the time the 2016 election rolled around, Trump had 13 million followers and Hillary Clinton had just 10 million. The differences between the two campaigns were stark. Hillary's side was all about identity, making history and centering on women and people of color. Podcast listeners, a montage of Hillary tweets. I voted for Hillary Clinton because I am absolutely confident that when she is president, this country will be in good hands. Barack Obama America depends on you. All of you. I didn't say yes, I can. I said yes, we can. Barack Obama Latino voters will have a powerful impact on this election and are already showing record turnout. Be part of this. Hillary Clinton. Look how far we've come from having a voice to being on the brink of making history. Beyonce women can stop Trump. Here's how. Tomorrow we have the chance to stand up for the America we believe in. RT this. If you're voting, I'm with her because it's time to make history. Trump's was about delivering for the people. Podcast listeners, three tweets from Trump. Thank you, Pennsylvania. I am forever grateful for your amazing support. Make America great again. Starting tomorrow, it's going to be America first. Thank you for a great morning. Sarasota, Florida thank you for your support in Virginia. In one day, get out and vote Trump. Pen making our own reality would blow up in our face. By 2016, we did not factor in someone like Trump who was rooted in America. The place, not just America. Online, Trump was already in the homes of much of this country, outside the bubble of the left on the Apprentice. So when he showed up in small town USA Everyone had to go see him speak. As Selena Zito writes in her book Butler. So when Trump decided to hold a rally in Butler, the placeless in the media and a lot of very smart people in the Republican and Democratic parties did not recognize the importance of place in American politics. What they missed was that Butler is many things to many people. And people all over the country would see themselves in that rally. Bucolic, industrious, suburban and historic, filled with rolling hills of farmland, a college town, a roaring steel mill, and that all important outpost of suburban Pittsburghers who brought with them prosperity and commerce. Ozito writes that it was Trump's visit to East Palestine that reminded people once again that America, the place is not America Online, where a narrative could be spun about why he went there at all. And that visit transformed him from a disgraced one term president into who he would eventually become the most influential president of this century. Seeing him drive up in East Palestine, hearing the cheers and hope for the hopeless, you bet it turned things around. Here is a video of Trump in East Palestine.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Trump's coming, but Biden hasn't.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Man of the people.

[Sacha Stone]

To the people.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Of East Palestine and to the nearby.

[Sacha Stone]

Communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we have told you loud and clear.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Thank you sir. What do you make about Biden not showing up, you showing up before he did?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Thank you so much for coming.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Thank you so much. Take a picture of my face.

[Sacha Stone]

America, the place I learned about America the place when I drove across this country to visit my daughter back east. I saw the real America, the one that put Donald Trump in power twice. I did not see the KKK on horseback wearing hoods. I did not see racist, tyrannical cops. I saw cities, towns and neighborhoods. I saw factories and churches. I saw mini malls. I saw how every class of people lives, from farmers in Iowa and Nebraska to the poverty stricken neighborhoods in St. Louis and Cleveland. I saw the mega mansions off the coast of Maine. I saw the trailers in the desert. I saw the casinos. I saw the feedlots and trucks that cart animals to and from the slaughterhouse. And most of all, I saw the America that loved Donald Trump. And for the first time, the narrative that had been shaped for me began to evaporate. The America I thought I Knew, based on 30 years online and the woketopia we constructed, which reflected our worldview, has almost nothing to do with America the place the Democrats are rooted online because the media is rooted online. What better way to use a massive information delivery device than as pure propaganda? But in so doing, they lost touch with America, the place both the Democrats and the media, that was the future I saw laid out before us. Should the Democratic establishment have remained in power in 2024, America, the place would cease to exist as America Online became one of an ideologically aligned multi country borders would disappear. The like minded would become an online empire where thought and speech could be controlled. It would look exactly like George Orwell's 1984. For podcast listeners, two images. One of the party hierarchy in Oceania with the inner Party, the Outer party and the proles. And a map of the territories in 1984. The man who couldn't lose. It has taken me a long time, 10 years by now to fully understand the fragile ego of Barack Obama, the man who Couldn't lose. Imagine a guy who saw himself as a God and king of this utopia we built online, whose influence was felt all over the world. Losing to Donald Trump. Walter Kern and Matt Taibbi analyzed an old interview with Obama that took place just before he flipped the switch that would smear Donald Trump's win as coordinated by Vladimir Putin.

[Unknown Speaker 5]

I think you're stopping short of endorsing the CIA conclusion that the hack was designed to help Donald Trump as opposed to some other objective. Well, I think the point I'm making is that right now what you've had are CIA leaks, not an official document. And I think it's important for the process of various agencies comparing notes and thinking about these assessments. Let's stick to innuendo in any of these circumstances. You know, you just have a signed letter.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Man, that's a nervous letter regarding.

[Unknown Speaker 5]

Russian intentions that's floating around. These are all assessments made based on a wide range of evidence. And different agencies are still looking at all that stuff, gathering it together and hopefully putting it into a single package. That's precisely why I've asked that report to be issued before the 20th.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

Okay.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So that, I'm sorry, that was incredibly damning. I, I didn't, I don't, I didn't, I never saw that. How did I not see that in that, that interview?

[Unknown Speaker 6]

I, I was sitting last night, slack jawed, watching this thing.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I mean, so he, he comes out like gangbusters. Gives, gives the full throated. Everybody knew it.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

The reason it's true is because everybody knew it.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Right, right.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

But we're still assessing it. Even though everybody knew it.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Everybody knows it. Of course it's true. It's the worst kept secret in, in this city. Everybody knows.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

Shouldn't, shouldn't act like it's a surprise.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So he, he does that and Remember, he's a lawyer and a good one. Right. From what I understand, gives this interview, leaves, goes, oh, I overspoke. Right, right. Goes back in, tries to stand back from what he just said, gives another version where all we have are leaks. You know, there's no document, there's no statement.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

It's not like he promises that what the force of what he just said will probably be proved right. You know, but for some reason of, you know, sobriety and justice and, you know, protocol, you know, he's standing back from it while they prove it.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I mean, again, so I, I was a big fan of Obama once.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

The level of acting there is just awe inspiring where he's using all the pauses and the, you know, fake gravity and so on. I mean, what. Well, go ahead because I, I thought you'd seen this before.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, I, I mean, I. So, no, I hadn't, I hadn't seen, I hadn't seen that split. So. So, yeah, he comes out like gangbusters, leaves, comes back and his face is just a mess of ticks and nerves. And again, remember, this is Barack Obama. He's. This guy is never right off his game in terms of delivery, but he just, he, he tries to walk like, why do you come back into a room? And after, after you've given an interview, I mean, it's media training, number one, never do that. You're, it calls attention to whatever it is you just said. You know, now, now you've got two things that people can look at. Maybe he thought that second part, the first part would never be shown. I don't know. I mean, it's very strange. But this is, is what this whole thing is about, right? Is what the hell happened in that week? And why did, why did Obama, who, you know, we, we know to be extremely cautious as a political strategist, I think he was very much underestimated early in his career. He, he does game things out into the future a lot. A lot of these, these things that happened kind of took shape out of his control and gradually came under his purview. It seemed, it seems to me, and I, it, it looks to me like he made a decision at the last minute. We just don't know what it's based on. But you can tell that whatever it was, is, it was weighing on that.

[Unknown Speaker 6]

Person because just for the audience, just in case you don't know, this is what, the 19th of December, that interview, 1616, one week before, he had rejected basically, you know, an assessment of, of this whole Russian interference thing as insufficiently damning and made them go back to find it, to make it damning. In other words, he had single handedly or with his closest advisors actually rejected the news that it wasn't that bad and said basically go back and do it again.

[Sacha Stone]

Whether we like it or not. The Internet is here to stay and so is social media. Politicians who want to rise will have to master both America the Place and America Online. As Obama and Trump have it has remade American democracy in ways we're still trying to understand. But for the Democrats, building their movement in the mercurial world of cyberspace has meant they have become so disconnected from reality that they don't even seem to know the definition of basic words like man and woman. They have a distorted view of their own popularity and have absolutely no idea why the people voted for Trump. Here is a video of tiktokers. You know what, since everybody else is saying it, I'm going to say the quiet part out loud too. The whole reason we're in this mess, the whole reason that Donald Trump was ever even elected in the first place, has zero to do with his qualifications, zero to do with him being a great politician and everything to do with the fact that a lot of white Americans did not like that our country was run by a black man for eight years. If you're a Trump supporter at this point, you like underage kids.

[Unknown Speaker 4]

Yep.

[Sacha Stone]

And if you're a female, you support the man in your household that does, or you're protecting your dad.

[Unknown Speaker 7]

When will Americans be uncomfortable enough to do what needs to be done? When will we say enough is enough?

[Sacha Stone]

When?

[Unknown Speaker 7]

Because it's getting worse, worse and worse and worse and worse. And when will be we be uncomfortable enough to take this regime down and do what we need to do? And yeah, I'm saying exactly what I'm saying. So when are we going to unify? When are we going to organize? Because we are not going to peacefully block party protest our way out of this. I'm absolutely sick of the apathy Americans are displaying. We're going on vacation, we're doing nothing. Like nothing is happening. We are literally walking into the camps with our phones to our faces and our heads down. So I don't know what it's going to take, but to be honest, it's already too late.

[Sacha Stone]

I don't know.

[Unknown Speaker 7]

We gotta do something.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I have come to realize my mental illness is America. America is my mental illness. My depression, my anxiety, my hopelessness, my want and desire to just give up and say it all my anxieties, America.

[Sacha Stone]

Because The minute I want to start.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Living life and be excited to live life and get out of here and get a new job and want to do all these things.

[Sacha Stone]

Wait, where do I live?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

America.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I'm gonna say it, and some of y' all aren't gonna like it, but.

[Sacha Stone]

I'm gonna say it anyway.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I completely, completely back people asking each other who they voted for before they start talking.

[Unknown Speaker 8]

I'm no longer talking to my parents until they no longer support maga. Based on all the comments in my previous video, there's a lot of you who are in this boat or want to be in this boat.

[Sacha Stone]

Apparently.

[Unknown Speaker 8]

Yes, we are all, in fact, siblings, and we do all, in fact, have the same parents. Here's what I would tell you, which I have learned in the last six months of doing this. First thing is, your family's probably worse than you think. A lot of us are really desensitized to the idea of what's normal and the dysfunction levels of our family being the normal baseline. I was blown away by some of the comments on that video because I. I thought my parents, like, weren't that bad. I thought they were just like the average boomer, which maybe they are, which is bad. You have a little bit of a foggy goggle situation when you're assessing your own family. Second thing is, the hole they will leave is not as big as you think it is.

[Sacha Stone]

Scare the rich people into the bunkers and trap them in there. Scare the rich people into the bunkers and trap them in there.

[Unknown Speaker 4]

Well, that settles it, doesn't it? And we can make a lot of other assumptions about what brand of Republican she is based on what she just did, but I think we should clear up some other things, too. Republicans need to stop asking everyone else to be tolerant of their disposal, disgusting belief system. Actually, you know what? Never mind. Keep asking. I'm not listening. I don't care. I don't care what you think about me because I find you repulsive. So your opinions of me like it's none of my business. I don't give a shit. You can call us snowflakes. You can say, oh, the tolerant left is so intolerant. Okay? And you don't like it that we're giving you consequences, we're giving you boundaries, and that we're just telling you to your face. We don't like you. You're gross. You're gross through and through. And I think that most of you are not redeemable.

[Sacha Stone]

If the demise of the Democratic Party plays out like a whodunit I can tell you that the culprit is this. This imaginary online world all of us built so long ago, and how it became an insulated, isolated doomsday culture that has no escape for any of them, lest their entire lives be destroyed overnight. We can also see the greater harm of someone as beloved and powerful as Obama, who had an entire empire prepared to fight for him. He was the first, but he won't be the last. We can still see them out there pushing their delusions just for the small chance they will go viral. Maybe it worked for them once. It no longer does. They must come back to reality, for their sake and for ours. Thank you for listening to my podcast, sashastone.com and if you care to leave a tip, you can find the tip link on the top of the page or you can write a great review. Thank you so much for your support because it really does help keep me producing these podcasts, which take me too long, I'm afraid. So appreciative and remember to thine own self be true.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Sam Every time that I look in the mirror all these lies die Just to die is another way Everybody gotta do that I know nobody knows where it comes, where it goes I know it's you got to know to know I got this boys, books.

[Sacha Stone]

To you.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Come on. Dream out, dream out dream out dream out dream out dream out dream out dream out a dream out Sam oh yeah.