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A
Christian and I are good friends. We're also founding members. This is not a flex, but founding members of the Passion run club, Facade Flex is what it is. You know, some of the speakers and bands that come to Passion just like to sleep and be lazy all the time. Christian and I just started to agitate. We try and get some of these. These musicians and speakers out for runs before we do Passion conferences.
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B
We go on lot of runs, and that usually ends in the sauna.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which is where the best conversations have.
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A
And by the way, Christian survived the cold plunge with flying stars last night. You know, flying colors. We. We got him. It was a little colder than Louisiana one, right?
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B
Flying stars.
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A
He said he saw flying stars. He's like, I might be hallucinating and having an out of body experience.
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B
It was definitely an experience for sure.
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A
Okay, so, Christian, we're really excited to have you here. One of the reasons this. This whole moment happened is because. And, And. And I'm just really grateful how God knits stuff together because you and I were at Passion Conference and we were chatting this year in. In January, and you brought up because I was like, what's up, bro? How you doing, man? And you were like, bro, like, I remember you. You grabbed me and you were like, have you seen House of David? And I was working on this series at that time, and it was just such a wild thing because you grabbed me and I'm You. You were like, with tears in your eyes, telling me the impact this show has had on your life. So I thought we could just start there. What did God do in stirring you when you're watching the show?
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B
Let's do it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I shared the first service that I shared it with like 20 people. And I think you were slightly offended because you thought, yeah, I knew one.
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A
I said, I said, bro, remember that moment? He's like, yeah, I had that moment with like 19 other people. And I was like, well, was. It was mine the best? You know, like, just.
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B
That was not what I said. Yeah, you were definitely the best.
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A
It hurt my feelings because I thought you were like, being vulnerable with me. It turns out you were just like, have a nice flight. Have a nice flight. Have a nice flight.
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B
You know, it is what it is. I was making my rounds. But yeah, no, the show had such a profound impact on my life. And it was nothing, you know, nothing in like a salvific way, but in a way of man, just seeing. Watching the show stirred something in me for. Just to want to read the scriptures, you know? Like this whole series you talked about is that in the Bible. It made me want to go actually read the Bible more and pull from first and second Samuel and read the Psalms and coupled with what was David actually, you know, where was his headspace at in these big moments of life? And I think that was what the show was so cool, was that it truly did humanize David in these moments of, like, what's the real and raw emotion that he's going through when he's experiencing this? And just the way he handled his suffering and the way he handled these moments in his life that he went through, for me, it just was so profound and so impactful. And I just became obsessed with the show and gleaning from the life of David and how he carried out his anointing that. That God had anointed him with and, you know, leading up to fight Goliath after fighting Goliath on the run from his father in law and just how he handled that and how he stayed so strong in his faith and. Yeah, and then the show just made me just become obsessed with thinking about all these other extra biblical things in his life about, you know, these random hypotheticals that he, you know, even like, yeah, like, the cheese tray. Anyone ever wondered what happened to the cheese tray after he.
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A
I'm like, explain that. Okay, well, so Jesse said, someone's like, charcuterie. What's going on here?
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B
Well, basically, it was a charcuterie boy. It was cheese and bread. So David's father, Jesse, sent him out to go check on his brothers to the battlefield. So David delivers cheese and bread. He's immediately met with hatred from his brother, and then he goes and kills Goliath. Then I was like, do you think he ever ate the cheese? It's like, do you think he has Goliath's head in one hand and he's just eating some sharp cheddar?
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A
This I have never wondered, really, but I'm about to.
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B
I think about it often.
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A
Yeah. So he's got. He think about it often as crazy.
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B
I mean, not like a daily. No.
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A
But, you know, nothing works up an appetite like a good decapitation. Is that what you're saying? You know? Yeah.
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B
Well, he did it and he's like, where's the food that I brought earlier?
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A
Yeah, no, I'd be thinking that. Yeah, I do think it's crazy that he. Cause the chronology is he gets anointed to be the next king and then immediately goes back to the sheepfold where I'd be like, how you like me? Now, like, strutting around the house a little bit, like, in my flesh. David's not that way, obviously. And then his dad sends him to the battlefield not to fight, not to take the tent at the VIP palace, but to bring, like, how demeaning. He's like, almost like a pizza delivery boy to his brothers who got picked to be soldiers in Saul's army when David did not.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So even the fact that he was willing to go, like, doesn't that challenge you?
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B
It does challenge me. Yeah. And it's because, you know. You know, also he also had, like, he. He was ministering for Saul between that time period, too. Like, between the anointing and then between, you know, that moment he was back and forth between. Between Jerusalem and. Yeah, his, like. Like his headspace of, like, what is he thinking when, you know, he's. He's in the palace and then he goes back to the private moments. I was thinking about that from, like. Like, it's so cool, right? It's like God chose him because of his heart and what he was doing out in the wilderness. And God sees how he shepherded his sheep, and he said, he'll make a good shepherd of people. And I think you should quote that,
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A
because that exact thing, what you're saying, that's like a direct excerpt from Scripture. We should put that up on screen for people.
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B
I don't know if I have that one.
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A
No. Yeah. It's where God says his heart's good, right?
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah. But I was talking about the shepherding part, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, we do have 1st Samuel 13. I'll read that one.
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A
We should read that.
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B
Yeah, yeah, let's read that one. Yeah. But now your kingdom shall not continue this to Samuel, to Saul. The Lord has sought out a man after his own heart, and the Lord has commanded him to be prince over his people. Because you have not kept what the Lord commanded you. So that's what Samuel told us all in 1st Samuel 13. The Lord has sought out a man after his own heart. And I love thinking about that, too. You know, kind of zooming out. It's like David at this point's a teenager, so he's doing something out in the wilderness tending sheep as a teenager that God sees, and he's saying, that's the guy. So it's like, what was he doing out in the wilderness that caught God's attention? And he was using him as a shepherd to shepherd people, but he was also using him with the lion and the bear to be a skilled warrior. And I think that's the thing. It's like so many of us, we might look at something we have, and it might seem inadequate, which is what Eliab says he sees. We'll get there later. Says, who'd you leave the few sheep with? So it's like, he might not have even had a lot, but it's like, what are you doing with the small things that God's seeing, how you handle it to where he elevates you to something bigger. And I think if David would have despised the small shepherding, then he would have never been. He would have never been chosen to be a prince and to be a king. And I think that speaks to me because it's like, what is something I'm doing that seems, you know, small, that seems. That seems insignificant? And God's saying, that's the. That's the thing. I'm watching how you, Stewart, before I call you tomorrow.
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A
Amazing. So good. And you specifically honed in on his heart.
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B
Yeah.
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A
His heart's so good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
His body may or may not have looked like much because we know he. He's rejected. Like Goliath says, like, why'd you send the youth group out to fight me? Right. And the prophet Samuel doesn't pick him. Right. So what God does like, is he has a heart.
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B
Yeah. Well, then you have an acts to what Paul's writing. And he says. Or Luke. But he says, you know, here's David, a man who will do all I will, all my will. And that's the thing, too. It's like something about David as a teenager. I'm looking around. There's a lot of young people in here, too. It's like God can see something in you now that he can see how you're going to be in the future. And I love that God saw what David was doing with the sheep as a teenager, and he says, that is a man who's going to do all I ask him to do.
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A
Okay, so God likes David's heart. Okay, so let's leave David there for a second, if you don't mind.
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B
Let's do it.
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A
We're going to come back to him. I remember vividly when Jenny and I had you and Sadie on our podcast and we were hearing your faith journey and story both you were sharing, and you talked about how you came to Christ in a way that maybe some people who have heard that pod digested it, maybe they haven't. Could you share that testimony just of your salvation story?
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B
Yeah. That's great. Yeah. So my story, I feel like it's one that, you know, even 10 years later, I'm still, I still am trying to exactly figure out what God was doing in my life. But I grew up in church. I have two amazing parents. They're here today.
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A
Right here in the front, in the front.
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B
They're awesome. They, they love the Lord a lot. And I think for me, I really struggled with, like, faith for myself, but also just the distinguishing between relationship and religion. And I think I focused so much on just the religiosity aspect of things. And like, I just didn't know what the relationship with God truly looked like and what conviction looked like in the Holy Spirit and repentance. I thought that was a one time thing, not a daily thing. You know, I joked about last night, it had to happen at Safeway, like there's day, there's, there's daily repentance. And I feel like, I feel like I just didn't grasp that. After the first service, I was thinking about this verse and this was my life. It's First John 1, First John 1 6. It says, if we say we have fellowship with him, which I said I did. While we walk in darkness, which is what I was doing, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with him, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. So that was me. That was the one foot, one in. That was the one foot in, one foot out. That was the, you know, if we claim we have fellowship with him, I was, you know, leading Bible studies. I was involved in church, but I was also walking in darkness. And I was, I was caught up in these, these habitual sin habits that, you know, it didn't lead me to repentance, but it led me to think I need to go get more involved with church. And that was just the religion.
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A
It's like, I could fix this. I just needed to get some of the red out of my ledger kind of a thing.
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B
Yeah, it was almost like the balancing of the scales. Right. It was like if I do more things like this, then surely, you know, the bad things I'm doing aren't like. It was just a weird feeling. And I was in that state for a while, ended up going to college. God had done some things in my life that summer leading up to it, but it was just the parable of the seed. It was, I would to these youth camps. And I would have these moments, but then I would receive. You know, I would receive it with joy, but then it was, you know, immediately it would fall away, which is why I love 1st Samuel 17, which is what we're gonna get to with Eliab. And I would just fall away. And I would be like, yeah, you know, maybe. Maybe, maybe. Maybe what I'm doing is actually more satisfact. Has more satisfaction in it than following God. And so I went to college, wanted to be involved in church, but also, you know, loved. I say loved. Enjoyed the patterns that I was, you know, kind of caught up in.
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A
And partying.
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B
Partying? Yeah. Girls, drinking, you know, all the. All the things. And I had this moment to where I was like, okay, how can I have the best four years of my life but also be plugged in church? And I didn't think I could have the best four years of my life only in church and not doing all the party stuff. So I joined a fraternity. It was a dry pledge, which basically means you're not going to drink. You're the designated driver, basically, and you're a bad DD when drinking with everyone else.
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A
So by definition.
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B
Well, I actually never. I was never. I never did drive when I was. When I was drinking, just to clarify that. But what I was saying was I was not doing what the title of what I was saying I was doing. So I kind of had these moments leading up to this.
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A
People think of you as a Christian guy.
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B
Well, my name's Christian, so I think by default. So I think maybe by default, probably, but. Yes, touche. Yes, yes.
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A
But you let it be known you were following Jesus, right?
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B
I was. And I think that's. For me, that's kind of when the hypocrisy led up to where it was like, I'm saying one thing and I'm doing another. If I'm saying I'm gonna be involved in church, I'm not gonna be drinking. But yet, you see, what I'm doing. It doesn't correlate. There's a opposition there. And I was at a party, and I was just on a porch shotgunning beers by myself, and this guy walked out looking at what he was probably hoping was going to be his dd. And he was like, I thought you didn't drink. And I was like, man, I don't drink. And it was this instantaneous moment of, like, stop saying one thing and living another. And it was just this radical moment for me of, like, it really was like a prodigal son it was like, I'm tired of being here. I'm going to go back. And that was really when my life kind of radically changed and then started the Bible study and got plugged in and. But that was the moment for me where it became more about relationship and how to actually, you know, walk in step with the spirit and not just, how can I just fix this by going back to church? It was like, how can I daily live this out in a. In a relationship with God?
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A
Thank you for sharing that. It's beautiful. Thanks. I love that. I love. I remember when you shared that on the podcast, you were like, you quoted from James about, like, seeing yourself in the mirror. You know what I mean? Like, you. That moment allowed you. Even just his comment to you allowed you to see yourself. And like, is this who I really want to be? Is this what I want my life to be?
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B
Like, yeah, that's what it is. It's like. It's like even the demons believe in shudder. It's like faith without works is dead. So for me, it was like I had faith. Like, that was. That was the James. I claimed to have fellowship with him. Like, you said, people knew I was a Christian, but I was walking in darkness. And the two, like, that's not. That's not the light that God's called us to live. And I would even go as far to say, like, you're. You're probably not a Christian if you're saying this and you're living another way. You know, the Bible talks all about, you know, bearing fruit. And it's like, if you look at Galatians 5 Acts, the sinful nature, first of the Spirit. Paul's like, what side are you on? And if you. If you looked at my life, I was clearly on the sinful nature side and not the, you know, not the. Not the. Not the fruit of the spirit part. And that, for me, was the moment where I was like, okay, how do I put these things to death? Romans 6. It's like, if we. What shall we say then? Shall we continue sinning so that grace may increase? By no means. We who die to sin, how can we live in it any longer? So, like, that's from. That was the baptism moment of, like, putting to death, crucifying this sin, this flesh being raised to life and actually pursuing the fruits of the spirit and not just living in the acts, the acts of the sinful nature.
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A
Okay, so you're walking with Jesus. One of the things that struck me was when we had that conversation about David at Passion, you just Talked about how his life of praise intersected with his warrior spirit. And you were saying that was one thing that really seemed to resonate with you.
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B
Yeah, well, that was the thing. So at Passion, when I was. When I was making my rounds talking about the TV show, I was showing everyone this clip because everyone.
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A
Anybody. Sorry, sorry. Old ladies, little babies, people you didn't know.
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B
Well, people. People that hadn't seen the show.
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A
No, I. I do appreciate that some
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B
people on your staff that have not seen this.
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A
Yeah, I know they used to be on my staff. Never see them again.
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I'm just kidding. But, no, we were in the.
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Backstage, like, tell everybody. Tell your favorite clip from House of David. Like, the first two people, like, never seen it. I was like, guys, a tuberoutay. It's fine.
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B
Which. I've watched it enough for them.
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A
That's nice. Yeah, yeah.
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B
Sorry, what was your question?
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A
The warrior spirit.
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B
Yes. Okay. So I was showing everyone. It's season two, episode five. It's the first clip of this episode, but it's David. It's kind of. Because the show kind of leads up to him not really knowing what he's doing. Jonathan sort of trains him, and then finally he catches his stride. And so it's like one year after Goliath, the scene unfolds, and he's just. In these battle scenes, all these different seasons, and he's quoting Psalms as he's. As he's having these victories. And then the scene transitions from that to him, you know, playing the harp on, like, in the temple. And it was something about David reading the Psalms.
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Should we show him that clip?
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B
Do we have it?
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A
Yeah. You guys want to see it? Check it out. The righteous will flourish like a palm tree. They will grow like a cedar of Lebanon. Planted in the house of the Lord. They will flourish in the courts of our God. By this, I know that you were pleased with me. Because my enemies do not triumph over me.
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B
Is that not, like, the coolest scene ever?
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A
Welcome to church, everybody.
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B
How many times have I watched that?
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A
Like, five people just got offended. They all left the church.
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B
You know, that might have been my 31st time watching.
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A
That's so good.
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B
It's just. It's incredible. And it's like. Because that's the thing. It was David's awareness of God's protection over his life in these battle scenes. And, you know, Psalms 3, I am. This is. This is when he's on the run from his son, trying to kill him. I'm not afraid of 10,000 enemies who surround me on Every side, you know, and that's not. That's like a legitimate.
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He wasn't using that as a metaphor.
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Yeah, yeah. That's not allegorical. It's like, no, there's actually 10,000 people that are trying to kill you. And it's like his fearlessness in that. It's like. It's like, man, if I'm afraid of these simple things in my life, it's like, how do I get to a point where, David, it's like there's 10,000 people around me and I'm gonna trust that you're gonna deliver me from this. And something about that scene and just even that idea about this. I know you are well pleased with me. You know, I think oftentimes we live our lives to please other people. Not that that's necessarily always a bad thing, but it can be. Is when you please. You try to please people more than you try to please God. And for me, it's like, how. What am I doing that's pleasing to the Lord? And I. I want to live my life. That, that, that. That's pleasing to him. And I think that looks like so good. I think it looks like obedience. I think it's. Look, I think it looks like trust. And I think it looks like just that continual. I'm going to live my life in relationship with you and ask for discernment and ask for wisdom and just confess things when I mess up and ask for repentance and tell others about you Christian.
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A
That's phenomenal. So good. And that's a daily struggle, right? You pointed out a connection I had never seen before. And I feel terrible about it because I taught first and second Samuel for like 50 weeks. And then you said this one thing. I was like, well, well, there it is. I just never made this connection to what God confirmed over David's life. The verse we just read, what did he praise about him?
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Yet the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart.
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A
His heart's good. But then you connected it to a comment his brother made. So go there.
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B
Because first Samuel 17, verse 28 says, now Eliab, his eldest brother, which context, this is the oldest brother of David, which, if you look at the chapter before it, was the one that Samuel saw and said, surely this is the Lord's anointed. Which is fun to think about if that was a voice verbal or if that the show made it verbal. Some people think it was just a thought, but. But if you said it verbally, it kind of gives credence to maybe to why he's mad at his brother. But in Eliab's anger was kindled against David. And he said, why have you come down? And with whom did you leave those few sheep in the wilderness? With, I know your presumption and the evil of your heart, for you have come down to see the battle. And it just struck with it. And it struck me, because the thing that he's accusing David of is. Is what God chose him for.
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A
That's the part that I hadn't seen. God said, his heart's phenomenal. And Eliab immediately goes, your heart's evil,
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B
which is so the enemy. Because it's like, if. Like. And keep in mind, this has been going on for 40 days, by the way, and his brother hasn't done anything about it. And here David shows up and is going to do something about it, but it's like the enemy is going to come after the thing that God's called you for. And it's not a surprise that David has something like this happen. The moment he walks up, it's like God chose him for his heart. And the first interaction he has is someone saying, you have a wicked heart. And it's like, for so many of us, we would just be defeated or deflated, or we'd play the victim, or we would just feel shame and not do anything about it. And I think that's why this story's so cool, because it's like, yes, David killed Goliath, which is awesome, but it's like David had to kill three other mental giants before he ever killed the physical one. So it's like, that is.
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A
Explain that. Unpack that.
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B
Eliab's one of them for me, Eliab's one of them, right? The voice of judgment. He doubted his skill set as a shepherd, and he also said he had a wicked heart. So for us, it's like your brother's judging you. And it's like, I just think about myself and my insecurities and my things. It's like, I don't know if I would. Like, that would have rattled me a little bit. It might not have derailed me from the mission, but it definitely would have provoked some anger or something. But he's like, okay, what have I done now?
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A
Here's your lunch.
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B
He keeps moving. 1st Samuel 13, verse 33. So if the judgment from a brother wasn't hard enough, you have the doubt from a king now. And Saul said to David, you are not able to go against the Philistine to fight with him, for you are but a youth. And. And he has been a man of war from his youth. So if the judgment from your brother wasn't enough to kind of get you off track, I think Satan's like, what about. What about the doubt from. From the king?
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A
So pause right there. You are not able. Yeah, here he is. I'm gonna do this for God. And. And there's the person in authority in his life who should be encouraging it, who also, like Eliab, is not doing anything about this giant. Yeah, I'm not gonna do anything, but I'm gonna say that you're not able to do it. E. 40 days. For 40 days. Come on. Coward.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like, so. So that's the thing about David's life, right? He was a shepherd, a musician, a warrior. So God called him because of his heart. God saw his skill set as a shepherd and said, he'll be good at shepherding people. And I think God saw his warrior, his. His fearlessness he had in the wilderness, feeding, finding, fending off a lion and a bear. And. And. And. And Saul's like, you. You're. You can't go fight him. And Saul's doubting his skill set as a warrior. So it's like, immediately you're.
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You're.
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You're doubted for your. For your calling as a shepherd, and you're doubting your skill set as a warrior. What's the third challenge, the third voice for me? Yeah, it's Goliath. It's First Samuel.
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Oh, yeah, him.
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B
Yeah. Well, it's like. Well, it's not only. Yeah, it's. It's 1st Samuel, 1743 through 44. And the Philistines said to David, am I a dog that you come to me with sticks? Which in the Hebrew, it's actually a very more vulgar. It's very vulgar.
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Goliath has a potty mouth. Yes, very.
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B
Yeah, very bad potty mouth. I would not tell you to look up what it says because it's very bad. And the Philistine cursed David.
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A
Is it weird that I want to now?
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B
No. Well, we can talk about it after. But it's a bad word. It's not a good word. And the Philistine cursed David by his gods. And then the Philistine said to David, come to me, and I will give your flesh to the birds of the air and to the beast of the field. So immediately. So now you have the voice of ridicule. He's like, who am I? You come at me and my dog. You come at me with sticks. Like you just talked about, he's smaller than Goliath, obviously. So he's ridiculing them for sending out this tiny boy to come fight him. And he's also telling him, I'm about to kill you, and I'll give your body to the. So it's like you defeat the judgment from your brother, you defeated the doubt from a king, and then you defeat the ridicule from a giant, and then you still sling the stone and kill him. And it's like, how many of us would have stopped after? It's like, there's three checkpoints, and then you got the giant. And I think many of us would have not made it past the first three.
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A
And for David, I find it so fascinating. All the other voices should be cheering him on and championing him. And so, like, the actual only thing he should be worried about is Goliath, but he's dealing with all these little fires that shouldn't be there. Right. From the people who should be in his corner.
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B
Well, that's what I'm thinking, because that's why the show is so cool, because I'm like, do you think when David's choosing a stone from the. From the brook, he's like, oh, my brother, he's clueless, you know, like. Like what? Like, what is he thinking?
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A
Like, like ruminating. Like, we did tend to, you know, I mean, he.
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B
He's. He's venting. I think he's praying. You know, you talked about that in one of your other ones. He had to kneel down to get the stone, which was so beautiful.
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A
Unless he was crazy mad limber with the hamstrings. And I don't. I don't believe. Real world experience tells me.
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B
Probably he's doing some Nordic curls.
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A
Yeah, we got.
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B
Yeah, sorry. That was an inside joke.
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A
It's good. I like that.
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B
But no, I mean, but that's the human nature. It's like, what is David thinking about when he's choosing the stones? After Saul doubted him and his brother said he had a wicked heart, it's like, I just love pondering those thoughts about what was he thinking? And then he goes to kill Goliath, and then Goliath is cussing him out and cursing him, and he's like, okay, I've killed a lion and a bear, and the Lord's got me. I'm anointed.
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A
So what do you think got him through? I mean, because he's got all these voices. The Philistine voice, the Saul voice, you're not able. Ringing in his ears, right? And then he's also got his brother. Your heart's evil. Like, how. How do you. And. And we're all dealing with our own versions of that, right? In the crazy of this world, you deal with that. So what do you think got David through? What can get us through in our. In our difficulties?
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B
That's good. Yeah, I think that's the thing. It's like, I don't know if, if. If it was the anointing specifically that got David through, that gave him that confidence to know I'm not going to die here because I'm. I'm anointed to be king, or if it was just his trust in God, regardless of if that moment had ever happened. And I think he did have crazy trust in God because he was anointed for his heart. So it's like, you see the traits in that early on. And I think for me, if you look at all of us, people in the Old Testament long for the days that we're in. Now. If Jesus says in Matthew, something greater than the temple is here, and he sent his spirit to dwell inside of us, now we're the temple. We are the place where the presence of God rests in. And in the Old Testament, it had to be in the temple. And I think for us, you know, that's where the confidence comes from, is that I am indwelled with the Holy Spirit. David wanted to build a house for God, and we get to be that. And I think that confidence comes. Then we're, you know, just like David was anointed, what was anointed by Samuel. And not. It might not be as. As grandiose as it was, but. But the truth is, if we're. If we possess the Holy Spirit, we're all anointed. You know, God's called us to go do these things for him. You know, that's what Jesus says. You know, you'll appear before powers, and I'll give you the words to say, and you. You'll have something, something greater than the temple is here. And Jesus says, it's better that I go because I'm gonna send the helper. And if you have the Holy Spirit, that's what gets you through. That's that. That's that anointing power. That's the Holy Spirit inside of you. And I think for us, yeah, it might not look like. It might not look like what David did, but with the way that he was anointed. But I think that's the thing. For me, it's like having that realization that there's something inside of me that's dwelling, that's, that's helping me, you know, live this life that's convicted me for these things, that's challenging me in these things. And that is, I had to just believe that that's anointed me, you know, to do these things that I'm doing.
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A
Phenomenal Christian. That's so good. Come on, let's thank you for that. That's great. You, you said it just quickly and in passing a minute ago. But you, you made reference to like insecurities and vulnerabilities that you deal with, you carry, you know, and obviously from the outside, people look at you like, dude, you're like ripped and you're, you know, you're being used by God and doing all this stuff and you got a, you know, but, but everybody deals with hardships, everyone deals with difficulties. And I got to imagine too, you know, you joining a family that's like well known on TV and you know, all the pressures and difficulties that no one knows you carry. Like, what's a way that all of this, that we're talking about the loftiness of David fighting a battle and finding him anchoring his heart in scriptures, like what's a real world, You're a dad, you're a husband, you're a son, like that. Studying these scriptures has helped you in a day to day way that could be actionable for us watching on.
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B
Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. I think there is something about the moments in David's life out in the wilderness. And I think, I think you see, that's what Jesus did. Jesus would oftentimes go in the wilderness. And I think something about, in David's life on the outside, like what Eliab said, it's like something that seems insignificant. It's like that's the thing that God is watching, how you steward before he calls you to more. So for me in my life, it's like whether it's, you know, putting my kids to sleep at night or a conversation with my wife, it's like I think God is watching how I steward these things before he. Before he does something else. And it's like I want to be a man after God's own heart. Do I want to be physically in good shape? Yes. But do I want to be in better shape spiritually?
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A
For sure.
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B
I don't want someone to look at me physically and be imposed. I want someone to look at me and say there's something inside of him that kind of freaks me out. I want that Power. I don't want to just lift a ton of weight.
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A
As long as you promise use it for good enough for evil.
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B
Yes. Yeah, Yeah. I wouldn't use it for evil. But I think that's the thing, though. It's like getting to a point where confident, you know, and I'll have insecurities of, you know, even simple things of like, you know, sometimes I'll take my kids to school and I'll be like, you know, should I be out working or doing something like that? You know, and it's like, I think God's watching how I do something simple and mundane like that. And it's like, if I'm constantly wanting more or wanting bigger, then I'm missing the more simple moments. And I think that's the thing of, like, not wanting to strive for more, not wanting to, you know, the bigger stage, the bigger platform. It's like, what are you doing right now with what God's called you to do? Are you being faithful with that? It's like David, the few sheep. What are you doing in the mundane and the ordinary that God's watching how you steward? And he might never call you to more. And if he doesn't, that's okay. That was the song. If the highest place that reaches out your feet, you know, then I've done it all. And it's like, are you living your life faithful now? And I think that's the thing for me. It's like that daily intake of, you know, I might not have done a ton of things today, but simple, mundane things, and was I faithful in it Christian?
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A
There might be someone watching or listening today who doesn't have a relationship with Jesus or is, like you said, one foot in the world, one foot out. Take a moment and speak to that person. What would you say to them?
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B
That's a good question. I would say that, you know, I think my life is a testament of that, of thinking you're going to find pleasure in the world. And it might be pleasurable, but it's not lasting. It's temporal. It's not satisfying in the long term. And I think I chased that for so long because I didn't think I could find it in the Scriptures. I didn't think I could find it in Jesus. And when I did, I realized that, man, all those things I chased. It's just vanity. As Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, it's vanity. It's fleeting. It's just, you know, it's like a mist, it's a vapor. And I think if you've never truly surrendered your life to Jesus, then you don't fully know what it's like to truly be in that relationship. That was that verse I said, if you claim to have fellowship, yet you walk in the darkness, you lie, do not practice the truth. So my encouragement is man. It's just, it's, it's. Look at your life. It's that Galatians 5. It's like, can you look at this list or this list and just say, what? Which one marks my life? And if it's the acts of the sinful nature, I ask, I want you to ask yourself, are you happy? Like, is that satisfying you? And if it's not, which it's not, then you look at the first of the Spirit. You look at the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, the self control. That's what we all long to do. And you can try to muscle it up in your own strength, but it's not going to last long. And I think that's when the Holy Spirit comes in to help you, to help you with that. That's the repentance, that's the conviction, that's the, hey, here's how you stay on this track. And I think, yeah, acts of sinful nature. First the Spirit, where are you at? And if you find yourself searching and if you find yourself wanting to figure that out, it can only be found in Jesus. He says, I've come to give life and life abundantly. You know all his promises are, yes and amen. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. So there is a creator of the world who became a man and we killed him on a cross, which is crazy to think about that the God who created everything that we see reality became a man born of a woman and walked the earth that he created. And we killed him. But God raised him from the dead. And if you believe in that, if you trust in that, if you live your life honoring the way he lived, trying to live the way he did, then you will see your life radically change. And if you just try to go through the motions, and if you don't fully embrace that, then you're never going to fully live out the calling he's called you to have. And you're never going to experience the fullness of what he truly came to bring you, which is freedom.
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A
If we could pray for a moment. I'm so grateful for what God's doing here, the way that he works. When Jesus is exalted, the Bible says God draws people to himself. And as we honor and exalt you, God. We know that we are telling the story that is your story. That has become our story. For so many of us. Of Christ who came and humbled himself, of Christ who was slaughtered, of Christ who rose, of Christ who reigns, of Christ who is seated at the right hand of the Father and is inviting through his spirit lost sons and daughters who are looking to these things, to this world to satisfy, to find living water, eternal life, salvation and freedom and hope in the mighty name of Jesus, so that when the casket lid closes on our bodies here on this earth, we will know we are alive with Christ forever. That's the invitation at the table today. Not a religion, a relationship with a God who saves. That's who saved Christian. That's who saved me. That's who's willing to save you. If you want, call upon him in faith. I'm going to ask my brother to say a prayer in a moment for the benefit of all those who are hearing this today. And say, man, I want that life. I want that salvation. I'm one foot in, one foot out. I know enough about God to be dangerous in church and enough about church to be dangerous in the world. But you've never truly surrendered and bowed your knee to God. But today can be that day for you. I'm going to ask you to pray out loud after Christian as he prays and the church family, we're all going to pray alongside you as we are no better than you. We just got here first, and we invite you in to have a seat at the table and join the family. But this can be your day, giving your heart to Christ, saved for eternity because of what Christ did for you on the cross and in rising from the dead. But be clear. To reject Jesus is to reject life. To end up in hell one day is to have no one to blame but yourself. Because God is willing to save you. But you must come to him and call upon him. No one's too old. No one's too young. If you hear what I'm saying, understand what these words mean, you can call on Christ right now. Pray this prayer as Christian prays.
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B
Jesus, reveal yourself to me. Open my eyes. Convict my heart. Show me who you are. Show me who I'm not. And show me who I am. I know that you love me. I know that you died to save me. I want to believe that. I ask you to help me to believe that. In areas where there's unbelief. I ask you to meet me there. I believe you died. I believe you rose and I believe you're coming back again. And I want to be with you in Jesus name.