The Blake Griffin Episode

Summary

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Friends Keep Secrets – The Blake Griffin Episode

Podcast: Friends Keep Secrets
Hosts: Benny Blanco, Lil Dicky (Dave Burd), Kristin Batalucco, Chuck
Guest: Blake Griffin
Date: June 30, 2026

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Overview

This episode of Friends Keep Secrets features NBA legend Blake Griffin hanging out at Dave and Kristin’s home in LA, offering an unguarded look into the athlete’s post-basketball life and friendships. Unlike traditional podcast interviews, this hangout mixes casual banter, games, stories from the NBA, reflections on fame and anxiety, and conversations about food, cameras, and even shower habits. Blake opens up about his journey from prodigy to superstar, redefines what it means to transition beyond sports, and gets candid about personal pressures, joy, and insecurities. The tone throughout remains playful, disarming, and intimate—a genuine group of friends riffing and reminiscing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Blake’s Basketball Origins & Early Development

• Coming from a Basketball Family and Early Practice:
  • Blake’s father was a high school basketball coach, and he grew up dribbling before he could walk ([02:39]).
  • “I have an older brother who played. Like, I just. I've had a ball in my hand since I could, like, before I could walk… I think maybe, like, a little bit like advanced, but not like you wouldn't walk into a gym and be like, oh...” — Blake ([02:39]).
• When Did He Stand Out?
  • Around age 10-12, Blake was tall and solid, but didn’t see himself as D1 material yet ([02:59]).
  • Discussed dangers of labeling prodigies too early and the psychological cost of youth sports rankings ([03:38]).

2. Fame, Lob City, and NBA Pressure

• The “Lob City” Clippers and Culture Shift:
  • Hosts reminisce on Blake’s Clippers highlights and “Lob City” era, noting there was never official branding in the arena ([04:17]).
  • “No one wanted to play for the Clippers. When I got there… And then Lob City happened.” — Blake ([12:53]).
• Host Perspective on “Perfect” Athletes:
  • Hosts probe for the “flaw” in Blake’s seemingly perfect persona. Blake opens up about hidden anxieties ([05:02]).
  • “Yeah, I got some demons… As an athlete, like, you have to be so, like, locked in.” — Blake ([05:04], [05:13])
• Transition to Retirement:
  • Blake stresses preparation for post-NBA, citing his production company and VC fund ([05:26]).
  • Physical toll of playing: “I had nine surgeries… to go play an 82 game schedule… working out and recovery was like 70% of it.” ([05:45])

3. Mental Health, Anxiety, and Coping Mechanisms

• Sleep and Game-Day Anxiety:
  • Blake details sleep anxiety before games: “I have a problem with, like, waking up and not being able to go back to sleep… you'd be like, ah, shit, like, okay, I could get two hours if I go back to sleep now…” ([06:04]-[06:21]).
• Handling Rituals, Diet, and Moderation:
  • Early in career, Blake was extremely strict about food and lifestyle; later embraced moderation ([06:46]-[07:26]).
  • “From then on, I was like, okay, moderation… if I'm like, you know what? I want pizza, I'll eat pizza.” ([07:26])

4. Inside the High-Pressure NBA Life

• Personal Lives Affecting Performance:
  • “I'm literally like, at the free throw line and it like, pops into my head and I'm like, all right, gotta shake that off.” — Blake ([07:51])
  • “We're playing a game and guys… get paid to play it… but sometimes, you know, guys are allowed to have bad days.” ([08:00])
• Trash Talk, Pressure from Fans, and Social Media:
  • Blake and the group discuss the impact of heckling, “hack-a-player” strategies, and the dehumanization of athletes on and off the court ([09:00]-[09:44]).
  • “It’ll be like a kid sitting courtside, like, talking shit to you, and you’re just like, what the fuck...” — Blake ([29:55])

5. Locker Room, Team Dynamics, and NBA Etiquette

• Conflicts and Chemistry:
  • Rarely had “beef” with teammates but admits to on-court altercations; shares story about James Johnson’s martial arts background ([25:08]).
  • Importance of “locker room guys”—veterans who anchor team culture ([55:09]).
• Shower, Sweat, and Hygiene Rituals:
  • Talks about sweat, locker room nudity, and having to shower after games or risking rookie embarrassment ([52:00]).
  • “I would change at halftime… when I work out in the summer, I'd take, like, three shirts.” ([45:59])
• Music and Pre-Game Atmosphere:
  • Veterans pick pre-game music; in locker rooms, headphones are more common ([49:04]).

6. Physical Wear, Injuries, and Suiting Up

• Injuries and Wear-and-Tear:
  • “I'm like, Achilles, ACL after 30…” — Blake on taking care of his body ([23:53]).
  • Changing shoes nearly every game due to impact and size ([53:00]).
• Performance Rituals and Superstitions:
  • No hard “no sex before games” rules; over time, rituals become less rigid ([06:46]).
• Food Habits and Athlete Diets:
  • Eating up to 7,000 calories/day during NBA years ([55:54]).
  • Candy anecdotes about Jamal Crawford and Lil Yachty ([56:17]-[57:01]).

7. Life After Basketball: Passions, Hobbies, and Personal Growth

• Post-Retirement Hobbies:
  • Film photography: "I have this film camera… it’s so cool because you kind of wait to find out if you did good." ([17:03])
  • Golf: "Like a nine [handicap]. I started… four and a half years ago and… got obsessed with it.” ([28:49])
• Reflections on Legacy and Regret:
  • Haunted by close playoff losses, especially with the "Lob City" Clippers: “I wish I could have just done this, or I wish I could have, like, been a little bit better at that… Yeah, it bums me out that we never [won it all].” ([31:39])
  • “Probably once a week, I think about it.” — Blake ([32:04])
• Therapy and Sports Psychologists:
  • Blake candidly shares a story about breach of trust with a team psychologist: “First of all, I can’t believe he fucked up that bad… fuck that I’m never seeing another sports psychologist ever again.” ([36:01])
  • Attends therapy more consistently now ([36:34]).

8. Fame, LA, and Social Scenes

• Contrasts Between Detroit, LA, and Social Life:
  • Enjoyed space and quiet in Detroit; LA is intense, social interactions more “transactional” now ([12:18]-[14:21])
  • College parties recalled fondly—“the most fun… I’ve ever had in my life” ([14:54])
• Dating and Being Courtside:
  • Stories about courtside encounters, celebrity guests, and fan culture ([44:00]).
  • “Especially in LA, sitting courtside gives you a little extra pepper.” — Blake ([44:04])

9. The Adrenaline Rush: Missing the Big Moment

• High-Pressure Plays and What’s Missed Most:
  • “That’s the thing I miss the most is the big, like, high pressure moment… I want the ball when it's time to go… 10 out of 10.” — Blake ([20:24], [41:30])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I have an older brother who played. Like, I just. I've had a ball in my hand since I could, like, before I could walk…” — Blake (02:39)
• “I started a production company in 2016. My brother and I have a VC fund. Like, so as soon as I retired, I, like, stepped into all that. So that helps. And also, like, I was just like, dude, I had nine surgeries.” — Blake (05:26)
• “I would get, like, anxiety about if I woke up. I have a problem with, like, waking up and not being able to go back to sleep…you have sleep anxiety…” — Blake (06:04)
• “Sometimes, you know, guys are allowed to have bad days.” — Blake (08:00)
• “What if I miss? It was always like, what if I make it?” — Blake, on critical end-game shots (20:31)
• “I haven't even remotely come close to playing in a pickup game since I retired.” — Blake (22:43)
• “Achilles, ACL after 30…” — Blake, on physical risk as an aging athlete (23:53)
• “He has…nine brothers and sisters. His parents double black belts in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. All of the kids double black belts. So he's the one guy who you don’t [mess with].” — Blake on teammate James Johnson (25:08)
• “You get like, carte blanche to fully dehumanize them and be like, hey, fuck you, Blake. You're a fucking weak pussy. And, like, you’re supposed to, like…” — Chuck (29:44), with Blake discussing the effect of criticism from fans.
• “After that [playoff] series…I think I watched, like, six seasons [of Game of Thrones] in, like, literally five days. Like, we would just lock ourselves in there and order food.” — Blake (30:43)
• “I think maybe football…I really think it could have been, like, a defensive end or something.” — Blake on potential alternate pro careers (29:04)
• “Candy. He would get on the plane with like a bag of just like, just candy, candy all in the bag.” — Blake on Jamal Crawford (56:17)
• “I'm like, confident to, like, a certain degree, but… I was a very shy kid, really. And…I tell people that now, and they're like, ‘You're so extrovert.’” — Blake (19:14)
• “I don't know if you have time to be nervous, but you're in your head. Yeah, definitely in your head.” — Blake, on late-game pressure (22:19)
• “Tim Duncan is warming up…and it hit me in that moment…I'm about to play against Tim Duncan. It was a preseason game.” — Blake ([43:28])
• “We’re the biggest athletes in the world…and we have the smallest rest areas.” — Blake on NBA benches and rest areas (52:40)
• “No one wanted to play for the Clippers. When I got there…” — Blake (12:53)
• “I want the ball when it's time to go. And it's like, there's…You could pass it to anyone. I want the rock. I want to shoot the three every time. 10 out of 10.” — Host 1 ([41:30])
• “I'm going out to…Malibu. We spend a decent amount of time in Malibu.” — Blake (59:05)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:27 – Blake arrives and banter about height, being the “first baller” guest
• 02:10 – Early talent vs. late bloomer? How exceptional was young Blake?
• 05:26 – Preparing for life after basketball, starting a production company and VC fund
• 06:04 – Anxiety, sleep struggles, and strict vs. moderate routines
• 07:51 – How personal life intrudes on performance; mental health in the NBA
• 09:00 – Heckling, “Hack-a-Shaq,” and the psychological warfare of the NBA
• 11:06 – Evolving rules: traveling, carrying, and the “zero-step”
• 12:18 – Detroit vs. LA lifestyle, socializing, and fame
• 14:54 – Nostalgia for college life, pre-social media era
• 17:03 – Film photography and analog hobbies
• 19:14 – Insecurities as a superstar athlete; surprising introversion
• 20:24, 41:30 – The adrenaline of clutch moments and missing that post-retirement
• 23:53 – Playing pickup post-retirement? Fear of injuries
• 25:08 – On-court scuffles, toughest opponents, and NBA “enforcers”
• 29:04 – Multi-sport background; would Blake’s son follow in his footsteps?
• 31:39 – Processing playoff disappointment, legacy and regret
• 36:01 – Therapy, sports psychology, and trust issues
• 44:00 – Courtside romance, celebrity culture, and dating as an athlete
• 45:59 – Sweat, hygiene, and NBA locker room realities
• 49:04 – Pre-game rituals, music, and locker room culture
• 53:00 – Footwear, changing shoes, and equipment
• 55:09 – Team “locker room guys” and supporting roles
• 56:17 – Legendary NBA candy diets (Jamal Crawford, Lil Yachty)
• 59:05 – Blake’s ideal LA day: golf, Malibu, and chill

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers on Friends Keep Secrets’ unique blend of authenticity and humor. Blake Griffin is relaxed, insightful, and open—demystifying life in the NBA, exposing both the pain and highlights of stardom, and revealing himself as much more than just an “athletic freak.” Through the hosts’ goofy, affectionate questioning, the episode paints a picture of lifelong friendship, the pressures of a public life, and the camaraderie of sports in a way that’s both accessible and intimate.

“I think we are friends. Like, I think if we all went to the same school, we’d be in the same circle.” — Blake Griffin ([59:26])

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Transcript

[Host 1]

Miffan.

[Host 2]

Miffan. Miff.

[Host 1]

See you this week, Lucas.

[Blake Griffin]

Guys.

[Chuck]

Chuck.

[Host 1]

Is this our first baller?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Are you intimidated?

[Chuck]

No. I mean, this is me at home.

[Host 2]

This is your dream.

[Chuck]

This is my dream.

[Host 1]

This.

[Kristen]

Man.

[Blake Griffin]

Look at guys.

[Host 1]

Wow.

[Blake Griffin]

We ready?

[Host 1]

That was just outside.

[Blake Griffin]

I thought we were playing. That was really good defense.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

She's great. What's up?

[Chuck]

How are you?

[Host 1]

She's got great.

[Blake Griffin]

Thanks for having me. Sorry. This one.

[Host 2]

Oh.

[Blake Griffin]

Group sneak it down a little bit.

[Chuck]

Oh, yeah. Blake Griffin's one of the best dunkers in the history of basketball.

[Blake Griffin]

I really needed this.

[Host 1]

Doing things like this.

[Blake Griffin]

I've been doing this for a long time.

[Host 1]

Were you ever never scared to take the shot?

[Blake Griffin]

I loved it. Can we just chill the out for a second?

[Host 1]

Get up.

[Blake Griffin]

Come this way. He'll like walk right by you. Oh, can't guard you. We're in the 305, baby.

[Chuck]

Dude, you're so fun.

[Blake Griffin]

I just picked it up from just sitting outside organically.

[Chuck]

This was not here for you.

[Host 1]

No. He travels with the ball.

[Chuck]

It's dirty though.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, sorry. No, yeah, I saw and I was like, oh, that'll be a fun.

[Chuck]

That is a fun gag.

[Blake Griffin]

It was fun.

[Host 1]

It was a fun gag.

[Chuck]

It'll be a. I'm like the perfect.

[Host 2]

That's cute.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I'm like the perfect guy. Height wise to showcase how tall you are. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm like the perfect guy.

[Blake Griffin]

How tall are you?

[Host 1]

I don't know.

[Chuck]

Five, four?

[Kristen]

No, no, no.

[Host 1]

I think I'm five, six.

[Host 2]

Can you touch the ceiling? Just standing.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, we got there.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Host 1]

You get that dust. We've got some dust.

[Chuck]

Like, do you want some water or anything or

[Blake Griffin]

be great.

[Chuck]

Lollipop Water.

[Blake Griffin]

Water's great.

[Host 1]

So you're conscious. Like anytime you're walking door wheels, you have to be like, you know, I've never had to think of anything. Never, Never. There's never any.

[Blake Griffin]

What about like, you know, you go to like a castle and you're like, nothing. I'm gnome. Like, I'm gnome.

[Host 1]

Like, I can go anywhere.

[Chuck]

Before you came, Benny was asking, he said, do you think Blake has been the best player of his friends since he was like. Like by age 5 8, did everyone.

[Host 1]

No, no, that's not what I said, okay? I said this. I said, were you born exceptional or were you like, did it like, like when you were five, were you just like every other kid shooting and they were like, oh, and then like, did you get exceptional? Was there like one year where like you became exceptional?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't Know, like, so my dad is a basketball coach, high school basketball coach. So like, I've just been. I have an older brother who played. Like, I just. I've had a ball in my hand since I could, like, before I could walk, you know, and then like started dribbling super young. So, like, I think maybe like a little bit like advanced, but not like you wouldn't walk into a gym and be like, oh, that's what I'm saying.

[Chuck]

At what age was it then?

[Blake Griffin]

I think, like, maybe when I was young, like 10. I have a 12 year old son right now and he's like, I think we're kind of like comparable. You go watch him play and he's like. You're like, oh, he's good. But you're not. Like, it's hard. Like when you're like 12, like there's these kids. Yeah, 12 years old.

[Host 1]

You're like 6.

[Blake Griffin]

Appreciate it.

[Chuck]

Thanks. Wait, when you were 12, you weren't like, oh my God. I'm like, definitely a Division 1 player.

[Blake Griffin]

I'm like, no, well, not in my mind. I was tall. I was like a foot taller than everybody. But like, I don't know, like, you're playing against kids in your area. Like, I wasn't traveling like this morning.

[Host 1]

This morning I saw a video online of the number one fourth grader.

[Blake Griffin]

See, I hate those, like number one fourth graders.

[Chuck]

So much pressure.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, yeah. And also, like, kids. Some kids are just bigger. Earlier.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, there was a kid growing up who was like my height in like third grade, and he was really good. And everybody talked about how he's the best player in the state. He didn't. He stopped growing like seventh grade and he was. He ended up being like six one, which, like, isn't short, but like, that's, you know, people thought he was gonna be like the next greatest thing. And like, I don't know, I think it like, messes up kids, like, psyche because I.

[Chuck]

They don't follow sports quite like me.

[Host 1]

No, no. He's like a savant.

[Host 2]

But I went to a lot of Clippers games when you were playing.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, nice.

[Chuck]

Lost City.

[Blake Griffin]

Thank you.

[Host 2]

What?

[Chuck]

Lob City.

[Blake Griffin]

That's what they called it. Well, there's no Lob City branding in the arena, you know.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Lob City.

[Chuck]

They might have been.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't think they. I don't think they call it Lob City.

[Chuck]

Cause basically he played with Chris Paul, who's like, really good at throwing.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I know. I remember Chris Paul.

[Chuck]

No, Blake Griffin's one of the best. Dunkers in the history of basketball.

[Host 2]

Dunker.

[Blake Griffin]

Dunkers.

[Chuck]

I wouldn't even label you a dunker like that. I mean, I could speak. I could speak about your game ad nauseam.

[Host 1]

Like, what's wrong with you? Cause you're like. You're like, so, like, God made you, like, too perfect. There's gotta be something wrong with you. Like, you're, like, really needed. He's like, the hottest guy. He's like, you're, like, the hottest guy and, like, the best at playing basketball. And you can, like. And you're, like, funny. You're, like, funny too. Yeah. What's wrong? Is there something, like, really wrong with you?

[Chuck]

No. He's the fucking man.

[Host 1]

You have like four, three toes or something?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I got some demons.

[Chuck]

Yeah?

[Host 2]

What are your demons?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know. I don't really.

[Chuck]

Do you have demons?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know. I feel like I was just so, like, as an athlete, like, you can't really, like, focus. Yeah. Like, you have to be so, like, locked in.

[Chuck]

So, like, does. Has your world totally been rocked since you've retired and you're no longer doing it?

[Blake Griffin]

No, because I kind of, like. I started preparing for it pretty early and, like, just like, doing other stuff, you know? I started a production company in 2016.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

My brother and I have a VC fund. Like, so as soon as I retired, I, like, stepped into all that. So that helps. And also, like, I was just like, dude, I had nine surgeries. Like, you know. Yeah. So I was like. I was feeling it.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, I feel great for just living life, but, like, to go play an 82 game schedule, it was like, working out and recovery, like, was like 70% of it.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

You know?

[Host 2]

Do you feel freer now? Cause, like, when you're playing an athletic sport like that, do you feel like you have to, like, eat well, sleep well, and you can't live your life, like, fully?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, for sure. Cause, like, I would get, like, anxiety about if I woke up. I have a problem with, like, waking up and not being able to go back to sleep.

[Host 2]

Yeah, me too.

[Blake Griffin]

And like, if it's a game day, the next day I would be like. I would have liked to, you know, like, you have, like, sleep anxiety, you know, like where you'd like to. And you'd be like, ah, shit. Like, okay, I could get two hours if I go back to sleep now or like.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

But it all. It all over time. Like, you learn how to, like, deal with that, you know?

[Host 2]

But I can't imagine, like, I couldn't sleep Last night. But I can take little things to help. But I can't imagine not being able to sleep and then having to go, like, run six run.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. It's just part of it.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Like, is there ever, like, before, like, the day before, like, ritual? It's like, don't touch. Like. Like, I can't have sex the day before. I can't do this the day. Like, is there, like my.

[Blake Griffin]

My rookie year, I used to, like, be very, very strict about everything. And then, like, over time, I kind of learned where I could. Because you would. You could burn yourself out.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

You know, like, one year I was like, I'm going to eat. So strict. And I went like three months of just like, literally nothing bad.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

No alcohol.

[Blake Griffin]

No alcohol. No. Like, very little sugar. It was like, dude. And I fell off the wagon. Like, three months, not drinking wise. But, like, I just. I kind of started eating, like, shitty. You know, I'd go to, like, the hotel, like, mini bar and have, like, peanut M&MS. And like, you know, that's.

[Host 1]

You're expecting your next game.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Chuck]

Did you notice a difference?

[Blake Griffin]

Not really.

[Chuck]

So I was like, fuck it, eat the other.

[Blake Griffin]

So like, then, from then on, I was like, okay, moderation. Like, if I, like, after a game, if I'm like, you know what? I want pizza, I'll eat pizza.

[Host 1]

Dude, you're, like, working out all day.

[Blake Griffin]

I know, but, like, it was in your head.

[Host 2]

What's the biggest thing that would impact a game? Like, what's, like, the biggest difference between, like, this, probably sleep.

[Blake Griffin]

Honestly.

[Host 1]

What if you get in a fight before? Like, like, like you're like, like you're with your.

[Blake Griffin]

No, no. You're like, with your significant others.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Or like your parents say, someone says, has that affected you?

[Blake Griffin]

You're, like, thinking about times where, like, something's, like, going on in my life and I'm literally like, at the free throw line and it like, pops into my head and I'm like, all right, gotta shake that off. You know what I mean?

[Host 1]

I love that.

[Blake Griffin]

And I don't think people think about that. No. Thank you for saying, like, guys are having, like. Guys are having shitty days. And, like, listen, that's what I'm saying. We're playing a game and guys, you get paid to play it. So it's like, it's all fine. But, like, also, like, sometimes, you know, guys are allowed to have bad days.

[Host 2]

Can I tell you one of my biggest pet peeves? Every time I would go, I went to the games a lot with someone and They. I forget the player's name, but every time he.

[Chuck]

Chris Paul.

[Host 2]

No. Every time he would go to do the Griffin show.

[Kristen]

No.

[Blake Griffin]

Was it me? Are you closest to me?

[Host 2]

It wasn't you?

[Chuck]

Oh, hack a Shack.

[Host 2]

No. What's his name?

[Chuck]

Oh, DeAndre Jordan.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Blake Griffin]

Yes. Hack a DeAndre Jordan.

[Host 2]

They would mess with him and I felt like I could feel the pressure and I would just be like, everyone needs to chill out and let this man do his job.

[Chuck]

She hates that part of the game. She thinks this is completely unsports.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, mean. Yeah.

[Chuck]

Yes.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 2]

I really hate it. And I think it doesn't matter which team you're on. I'm like, let them. You can, like, do it outside. But when. When everyone is here trying to play, like, make me cry.

[Blake Griffin]

It is interesting because, like, sport, professional sports especially, is so much like, find the weak link. Yes. It's exploiting, but it's like, that's competitive. It is like, the highest level. And, like, you know, I don't know, like, DeAndre was so good at other things that, like, free throws wasn't his thing. And it's like, we didn't look at it, like, I don't know, they were his thing.

[Host 2]

If everyone would just, like, calm down for a second.

[Blake Griffin]

All right? Hey, can everybody just chill the female for a second?

[Host 1]

It's like, I'm trying to make this free throw. I know. There's, like, so much. There's so much pressure. Like, I think, like, I play in, like, a rec league with my friends every weekend, and if I, like, like,

[Blake Griffin]

like if you miss your first couple shots, you feel weird shooting your third one.

[Chuck]

Yeah. No.

[Host 1]

Or if, like, like I put too much lotion on my hands, I'm like. Or like, if my ass itches, I'm like, I'm like, like something, like, anything.

[Chuck]

Like, I'm a great rec league player. And then. So I would always assume I would dominate celebrity games. Like, I felt like I was born to just. And then. But I also had never really, like, like, played in an arena or like, just felt the weight of my.

[Host 1]

The weight of the depth and the

[Chuck]

pressure of like, you know, this is like being like, feel filmed in a certain way and just like, you can't. It's not meaningless. So as soon as I got in one of these games, I realized how it's such a different level of pressure.

[Host 1]

So is every, like, NBA player like, who you. Where you're like, oh, that guy sucks at shooting. Like, they're like, if they're on their own, like, in A gym. They're making, like, every shot.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. Cause you have to think about, like, first of all, there's really good shooters on teams, and there's guys that aren't as good, and there's guys that aren't really shooters. But also, like, you're shooting every day. Like, even if you're not a shooter, you're shooting every day. And, like, you got. You'll see the things of them going to, like, pick up games and, like, making.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, so the pressure is different. You're not as tired. You're not having to worry about the defensive end. You know, there's, like, a lot of variables.

[Host 2]

Like, what's the deal with traveling? Because it always kind of looks like you guys are traveling.

[Blake Griffin]

It's gotten. I know that much about it. It's pretty lax. So now, like, the. The rule is that, like, when you take a. Sorry. When you take a dribble.

[Host 1]

Oh, I thought you were traveling for games.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, I thought you were talking about. Okay.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I don't really know anything about jazz, but when I watch, I'm like, wait. The only thing I know they all look like travels, is that you can't travel. So I don't understand it.

[Blake Griffin]

Now you can take a dribble. Then your first step is called a zero step.

[Chuck]

Oh.

[Blake Griffin]

So your first step is not really your first step. So if I. If I dribble and take this step, I still have two steps.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Did they change that because they were like, this is too hard to manage.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't. It wasn't like a. It wasn't like a. Hey, we're changing it to this. I think it just slowly happened because everybody was like, yeah. And guys are so. Their footwork is so good that they can make it look really.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Chuck]

Seamless.

[Blake Griffin]

Seamless and also cover a lot of space. Yeah.

[Host 2]

It's like you take one step across the.

[Host 1]

That's where, like, I carry as well.

[Host 2]

Carry?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, carry.

[Host 1]

Like, back in the day, like, every guy used to dribble like this. They'd be like, yeah. Like, there was no. Like. And then, like, eventually, now people take it under. Yeah. Like, Allen Iverson was, like, one of the best. Like, he would really. He really, like, kind of, like, invented certain, like, cross. He kind of, like, invented, like, the hesitant. Like, like, what became the.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Chuck]

Tim Hardaway.

[Host 1]

Tim Hardaway.

[Blake Griffin]

Taylor Cross.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Chuck]

Oh, my God.

[Blake Griffin]

That one was like the. Yeah. You know what?

[Chuck]

You know what I really loved was watching your game just evolve.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, thanks, man.

[Chuck]

I think about Detroit Lake Griffin.

[Host 2]

I'm From Detroit? Well, no, I was born in Grosse Pointe, but I lived in Grand Rapids.

[Host 1]

Grosse Pointe.

[Blake Griffin]

Okay.

[Host 2]

You like it there?

[Blake Griffin]

I. I actually enjoyed it. Like I was like, it was, I had like, I'm from Oklahoma, so it kind of reminded me more of that, like where I had space and a house and like neighbors weren't like right on top of you. And like, I enjoyed that part of it. Cause during the season I don't really like go out much anyway. I would just be like.

[Chuck]

Even back when you were young in the prime of Lob city and lake

[Blake Griffin]

town, you're playing every other day. So like. Yes. There are some times where it's like, hey, you got a day off next day. And so we'll go to dinner, we'll go out. But like not regularly.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but when you move to la, your complete social life changed. Like every guy's fighting to play for the Clippers or Lakers, right?

[Blake Griffin]

No, nobody wanted to play for the Clippers. When I got there before Blake.

[Host 1]

Oh, no, not. Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Chuck]

When it turned the fr.

[Host 1]

Of course. But now. But I'm saying like, boy, this is

[Blake Griffin]

like a real self esteem booth. I need, I need to come hang out more often, dude.

[Host 1]

When you're in Detroit, it's like, okay, I'm in Detroit. When you're in la, you. I don't know if it's ever seen. I don't know if it's chairs.

[Blake Griffin]

I've seen 260 before.

[Host 1]

Of your stature before. I just saw it.

[Blake Griffin]

That's the thing. I worry about chairs all the time.

[Host 2]

Really?

[Blake Griffin]

I've been at a wedding and like sat down and you know.

[Host 1]

But you don't weigh a lot.

[Blake Griffin]

I know, but still.

[Chuck]

Embarrassing. What are you talking about? He weighs 260 pounds.

[Host 1]

Okay, you're in Detroit, it's like, okay, cool. We're going out to like whatever, like the local bar club.

[Host 2]

Detroit's a popping cool.

[Chuck]

Young Blake in la, single man move into the big city.

[Host 1]

That's what I'm talking about. You're in la, you like, like your world. Like, I remember, like, I remember seeing some of my. Cause I don't really remember the first time I did, but I remember like having my friends come out, like to la. Like I'm from Virginia. Like, my friends came out and they like I would like take them to a party and their worlds were like actually like rocked. Like some of my friends, like they literally. I watched their bodies actually go like this. When we walked into places, they'd be like, like they'd like, stumble.

[Chuck]

I used to, like, text my friends from high school and be like, oh, my God, you'll never guess who I was like, with last night. Blah, blah, blah. I still see, like, NBA players, like, take my breath away.

[Blake Griffin]

So, like, now it's like, people go to parties to see who they see and to get some content. Not content, but whatever. They get pictures. They get this. They get like, a. Maybe a story to tell on their podcast or it's like, that's. It very much feels like social interactions or social gatherings now are just to, like, transaction. Have clout. Clout and, like, a story to tell and a picture to post, you know, I think it's different. I feel like it used to be college for me.

[Chuck]

Cheers.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, dude, it was just, like, the best. There was no cameras. Like, there was no college.

[Host 2]

Was, like, the most fun I think I've ever had in my life. Me too. Other than marrying you and my life with you.

[Blake Griffin]

Aw.

[Host 2]

But college.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know why I clapped.

[Host 1]

We could be drinking anything. It could be an unhealthy soda. It could be disgusting. It could be tearing our insides apart. Or what we could be doing is drinking all wheat pop and getting all the same feelings of a soda, but just having a healthy alternative.

[Blake Griffin]

It makes me feel good.

[Host 1]

It makes me feel good.

[Kristen]

That's right.

[Host 2]

I think it's good that they're making you feel good.

[Chuck]

Yeah. I like the taste, but it makes me feel good, too.

[Host 2]

I think that's great. You're doing a good job.

[Host 1]

Buy any two cans of Olipop in store, and they'll pay for you.

[Chuck]

And they'll pay you back for one. Any flavor, any retailer. Go to drinkalipop.com chef yes.

[Host 1]

Now, Kristen, you know, I've always dreamt of coming to Michigan for a summer. It's all I've ever wanted to do with you since you guys.

[Host 2]

What are you doing?

[Host 1]

It became a thing. I. I think I'm coming now. And you know what's gonna come with me? I might just have to pack a little friend with me. And this is a white claw peach. And what's that? A white claw mango. And what's another flavor? We're bringing Black cherry.

[Blake Griffin]

A black cherry.

[Chuck]

This summer is a white claw summer. We're gonna have fun. We're gonna grab life by the claw. But we're only allowed to say one word now.

[Host 1]

Fine. Will happen immediately.

[Chuck]

When we open White Claw, please drink responsibly. Hard seltzer with flavors. White Claw Seltzer Works, Chicago, Illinois.

[Kristen]

Cut it out.

[Host 1]

I'm gonna sip it right now.

[Host 2]

I miss when it was like, you take Polaroids? No, when you would take the picture, like when we were all in high school, we'd like, go on spring break. You take the picture digital camera that then you go get it developed.

[Blake Griffin]

I've been like, I have this contacts T3 that I love. And I've been like, just.

[Chuck]

What did you say?

[Blake Griffin]

Contacts, like the film camera. Camera. Sorry, sorry. Got a little too robotic. It's contacts T3 I didn't have.

[Host 1]

Are we supposed to know that?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know. I felt like you guys vibing on photography. I thought we were. I thought we were going into a photography thing now. I feel.

[Chuck]

No, it's like.

[Blake Griffin]

So I have this film camera.

[Host 1]

I got like a GMO 106.

[Blake Griffin]

I've got a disposable 47R.

[Host 1]

Tell us a little bit more about your camera.

[Blake Griffin]

I was talking, talking about this the other night. We were just. I was just. I don't know. I feel like when I first started taking film pictures, I would be, like, very frugal with them and like, take a picture and be like, okay. And now I'm like, I'll just fire off like three different ones of like, kind of the same thing in like, different settings.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And it's so cool because it's like you kind of wait to find out

[Host 1]

if you did good.

[Blake Griffin]

And it's. The other thing too, is like your phone is in your pocket and you'll still have the memory.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And by the way, you get digital files of it too now. So it's, you know, I'm like, trying to get better at it.

[Chuck]

Is this a post retirement hobby or have you always been into this?

[Blake Griffin]

I like, I got like a digital camera, like a Laika Q striker.

[Host 2]

I know that. I know that.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, a Laika Q3.

[Host 1]

Are you like a numbers guy or something? I do have two questions. It just made me get two questions.

[Host 2]

Should we sit on the couch?

[Chuck]

We can sit outside.

[Blake Griffin]

Where do we go? You go right there, buddy. You want me to go corner pocket?

[Chuck]

I don't know.

[Host 2]

You're a big guy, but you might hit your head.

[Host 1]

I'm okay.

[Blake Griffin]

It's like everything I do is. Hey. Okay, get up.

[Host 1]

You know, Come this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chuck]

Watch your head.

[Host 2]

We had. Who came. Oh, Kareem. He came in here.

[Chuck]

I had a different fixture back then, but he. Literally the first thing that happened was he banged his head on the light fixture.

[Host 2]

And it was like, I felt so bad once he entered.

[Host 1]

Cause he should feel that bad.

[Blake Griffin]

Did he get a beat on?

[Chuck]

No, no.

[Host 1]

In there, you were talking about, you know, how the person's not gonna like it. Do you have insecurities about anything? Oh, yeah. You do? Yeah, for sure. What are you insecure about? You have no physical insecurities.

[Blake Griffin]

Actually, physically, I actually do.

[Chuck]

What?

[Blake Griffin]

So being a former athlete, my toes. Your feet just get wrecked.

[Host 1]

Ooh, I'll see and I see.

[Blake Griffin]

I will at some.

[Host 1]

I can see. I can cry.

[Host 2]

I have. I'm insecure about my feet because they're disgusting. So I'll show you after. I need to show you.

[Blake Griffin]

At some point. I will.

[Host 1]

Do yours, like, look like LeBron's?

[Blake Griffin]

No, not quite that bad.

[Host 1]

You got any non physical insecurities?

[Blake Griffin]

Non physical insecurities? Yeah. I feel like I have. I don't know. I'm always so. I was always so jealous of, like. There's a lot of athletes who are just incredibly confident people, and I think that's part of it for some guys.

[Host 1]

You feel so confident.

[Blake Griffin]

Me, I feel. Dude, I feel confident in you.

[Host 1]

To me?

[Chuck]

To me?

[Kristen]

Oh, to you?

[Host 1]

Yeah, I think.

[Blake Griffin]

I think I'm, like, confident to, like, a certain degree, but, like, I was a very shy kid, really. And I don't think people, like, I tell people that now, and they're like, you're so extrovert. Yes.

[Chuck]

You're so extrovert.

[Blake Griffin]

I'm actually not.

[Host 2]

I know, like, you don't like to always be around people.

[Blake Griffin]

No.

[Host 2]

Yeah. You have to recharge.

[Blake Griffin]

I definitely need to recharge. And also, like, if I'm walking into a situation, like, alone, like, I don't travel with, like, a posse. I walk into a lot of situations. Like, today, I just. Like, you, like, walk in and it's just like that thing of, like, I don't know how this is gonna go. I'm not saying I was, like, nervous, but, like, you're meeting me. I think my insecurities are. I think people would be surprised how, like, I have, like, pretty normal insecurities.

[Host 1]

Did you get nervous before games? Like, when you walk in?

[Blake Griffin]

No, first game. First game of my career. Like, first game of, like, college or this or that. But after playing so many games. And also, you play just like I said almost every other. Like, you kind of just get used to. What about playoff games?

[Chuck]

You gotta get nervous.

[Blake Griffin]

Playoff, like the first playoff game? Yeah, it's more of like a. An anticipation less than like a. I'm nervous.

[Host 1]

I always wanted to know this. Were you ever scared to take the shot? If it was gonna be that never, I loved it.

[Blake Griffin]

You love that moment. That's the thing I miss the most is the big, like, high pressure moment.

[Host 1]

Like, you're ready to. You're ready to do that because you

[Blake Griffin]

just can't replicate that really, like, in other areas. Or at least I haven't found one that, like, I don't. Yeah, it's. It's like the. The moment is so big and you, like, you. You don't know what's gonna happen. Like, you kind of have your play, but things go out the window and you have to improvise and you kind of like, yeah. And like, I. It never went through my mind. What if I miss? It was always like, what if I make it? And like, I don't know why, but, like, that's like the one moment. Like, even my. After my rookie year, I remember the off season, I, like, had this, like, lingering insecurity of, like, what if I can't do that again? You know, like, what if I can't have a good year? What if I'm not good enough? Like, even after. Even after, like, sort of proving yourself.

[Host 1]

No, that's good.

[Kristen]

That's good.

[Blake Griffin]

And I. I didn't mind it at all. It made you hungry.

[Host 1]

It's the same way when I'm having the best years of my life. Like when I've been the most on top. I'm thinking, oh, my God, I'm definitely gonna get cancer. Like, something's gonna. Something bad's gotta happen.

[Host 2]

No, I'm like, that means that you like your life. But what you said, which earlier when you were talking about what you miss, I feel like if I. If I were an athletic athlete, athlete, girly. If I was an athlete, girl.

[Host 1]

You were an athlete. You were like a kid.

[Host 2]

No, but I mean, like playing in a. Blake Griffin.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

The thing I would miss the most would be, like, the high of that shot. Like, having that opportunity to, like, take it and then be like, I fucking kissed.

[Blake Griffin]

But let's be honest, the biggest adrenaline.

[Host 2]

Biggest adrenaline, me as a player.

[Chuck]

Even though I always felt like a really clutch shooter and player, I hated the last shot. No, like, late game foul line requirements.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah. Those are tough.

[Chuck]

Like that scared. Didn't you get a little nervous? I don't even.

[Host 1]

Like it's a playoff game and it's. Game's tied up. Are you nervous? Yeah. Come on.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know if you have time to be nervous, but you're in your head. Yeah, definitely in your head.

[Host 1]

And they're like, guys are like, you know what's crazy?

[Blake Griffin]

Those things you don't really see after you get used to used to it, you don't really see it.

[Host 1]

Should we tell the people that they don't even see?

[Blake Griffin]

I've been doing this for a long time.

[Host 1]

Do you still get the high? Like, if you play in, like, a game, like a pickup game, do you still get a high?

[Blake Griffin]

You know, it's kind like. I don't know if it's sad or not, but, like, I haven't played. I haven't even remotely come close to playing in a pickup game since I retired.

[Host 2]

Really? Have you not played at all?

[Blake Griffin]

I, like, shoot around, but I haven't played a game. You have to understand, too. Like, you go play like a pickup game, and, like, all right, like, am I gonna play hard? Am I gonna, like, try.

[Host 1]

Would I be able to get three dribbles off without you stealing it?

[Blake Griffin]

If you go, I don't know. I've never seen you play.

[Host 1]

No, no, just. I'm. Just picture me. I'm a normal guy. No, because you can just do the

[Blake Griffin]

straight, like me right now or, like, when I was playing, you can just turn your back.

[Host 1]

No, if I don't turn my back, do you think there's a chance, like, that I couldn't get three dribbles off?

[Blake Griffin]

No, I think you could get three dribbles off. Like, if you're talking about, like, in my, like, when I'm, like, when I was, like, playing, playing, I think maybe it'd be tougher. But I also haven't seen you play. And you.

[Host 2]

You play, like, basketball's so hard on the man. Not the man on the man. Well, I'm sure it's hard on women, too, but I feel like every. You guys all play, but you're all. You are always like, man, I really wish I could play today, but it's just not worth the risk of, like, dude, Achilles. All I think about, you guys are all. So.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, I'm like, Achilles, ACL after 30.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

Your Achilles thins out.

[Blake Griffin]

Well, no, it's just like, your body. Every time as you get older, your joints have less mobility and, like, Achilles

[Host 2]

are compromised, and you can't ever get that thing back right or something.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, you can fix it, but it's like your legs are two different sizes. Even guys in the NBA who have, like, the best PT guys who have torn their Achilles, like, they're visibly. You can see how their legs are different sizes.

[Host 2]

Was there ever times without disclosing people's names that you would be like. Because you're on a team sport where you would be, like, butting heads with a team and then you like. Or, like, did you guys ever get on. Would there be, like, little tensions, not huge things, Then you have to go out and play with each other.

[Blake Griffin]

I never really had, like, any type of beef where I was like, fuck this guy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I've seen you get physical on the court, though.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah. That's playing against people. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Would you ever be in a fight,

[Host 1]

would you ever get physical and then instantly be like, oh, shit, Blake didn't take any shit. Like, would you ever. There's never a guy where you get physical and you'd be like, holy shit.

[Blake Griffin]

I never got into it with him. And I'm like, I. I played with him. Ended up playing with James Johnson, who's like, he's a. I was just telling a story. He's a. He has, I think, nine brothers and sisters. His parents double black belts in Brazilian jiu jitsu. All of the kids double black belts. So he's like, one guy who you don't.

[Chuck]

Everybody votes on, like, that, like, who they least would want to fight.

[Blake Griffin]

He always is the one guy.

[Host 2]

Are you. What do you mean?

[Chuck]

So you got into it with him?

[Blake Griffin]

No, no, no.

[Host 1]

He's.

[Blake Griffin]

We got. We got drafted the same year.

[Host 1]

We're like, were you all bark, no bite? Like, would you ever have fought? Were you ready to fight?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, but, like, it never comes down to it.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I shouldn't say never. Sometimes it does.

[Host 1]

But you know who I would have been so scared besides, like, Shaq and the obvious ones? Rasheed Wallace, like, back in July, Charles Oakley.

[Blake Griffin]

Do you remember Charles Oakley? Charles Oakley's hands are, like, probably, like, a little bit bigger than mine, but, like, each finger is, like, twice the width.

[Chuck]

I bet you got everybody's. Everybody's like, you know how, like, some teams have, like, kind of not goons, but, like, they're just the physical gatekeepers?

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah. I got all that. Especially young.

[Chuck]

You feel like coming, like, you're the. You're like, like, so charismatic and good and strong, and he plays so physical, and he's always being probably guarded by, like, their most physical guy.

[Host 1]

And he's, like, saying. Doing things like this.

[Blake Griffin]

Was I pushing after plays?

[Host 1]

I just feel like people would test you, then you would get.

[Chuck]

Never back down.

[Host 1]

You would get tested a lot.

[Blake Griffin]

And you were, like, especially early on. Yeah.

[Host 1]

You were, like, all smiles until. And I could. I would see you go from smiling to just like, yeah, what did it feel?

[Chuck]

I never, when I watched and didn't know you. I never once, like, when I watched, thought like, Blake Griffin's a pussy. I was always like, blake Griffin is like, never.

[Blake Griffin]

Some people did.

[Host 1]

No, no. Yeah, it's because you were like a good looking guy. But then I felt like you held your own though.

[Host 2]

Wouldn't everybody have no choice but to be a pussy if you can't fight?

[Host 1]

Well, no, no, you can't be a pussy. You can't be a pussy.

[Blake Griffin]

There's like ways of like becoming like a tougher NBA guy and like kind of a maybe a pussy.

[Host 2]

There's so much like, there's so much

[Host 1]

like interpersonal stuff now I got it. I got a note. There's one thing we haven't spoken about that's like, so as important to me as game day, post game, what's happening? Like, you guys just won.

[Chuck]

You just won in.

[Blake Griffin]

My brain.

[Chuck]

Weight's pissed off.

[Blake Griffin]

Coach comes in, he gives his little post game speech. I'm usually like, feet in an ice bath.

[Host 1]

You're not even listening.

[Blake Griffin]

Ice on my knees. I'm like, fuck off. We're in the 3:05. Yeah. Like ice for like 10 to 15 minutes and then shower if I need to get any. Like, I don't know, sometimes you have like something like. Yeah, go to the trainer, get your condoms. Click.

[Chuck]

Let me get you some more water here.

[Host 2]

Let's go inside.

[Host 1]

Okay, let's all go inside. Let's go inside.

[Host 2]

Let's go inside.

[Blake Griffin]

Wash my head. Wash my head. Everybody wash your head. Everybody duck down.

[Host 1]

Do we need to rub his hamstring or something?

[Chuck]

I'll get you some water.

[Host 1]

I'm gonna go sit on the couch.

[Chuck]

Okay, you guys go on the couch. Blake, I'll fill you up.

[Blake Griffin]

I appreciate it.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Gracious host. Oh, I like the giraffe.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah.

[Chuck]

The way that that draft stands inspires me.

[Blake Griffin]

Check. I thought you were gonna proud. I thought you were just ready to take on the day.

[Host 1]

I literally thought you were gonna say the way that draft stands reminds me of you.

[Chuck]

That's something better than water.

[Blake Griffin]

I'd be on it.

[Chuck]

How about an ollipop? Oh, okay. One left. So I came in here with the right intention. I was gonna give Blake an olipop and someone's been drinking all the olipops. I don't know who it is. I don't think it's Blake because he's new here. Could be Benny, could be Kristen. Either way, we have one left. And so even though I came in here with the right intention of giving one to Blake, I'm kind of rethinking everything, and I do have a meal I'm gonna eat at the end of the day that is gonna be way better with a cold Olipop, especially BlackBerry vanilla. It's a great flavor. So Blake might just have to make do with filtered water.

[Host 1]

I'm sorry, Blake, what's like, you know, you say you got the camera. What's another hobby? Do you have any hobbies?

[Blake Griffin]

I play golf. Oh, are you good? I'm. I'm okay.

[Host 1]

Are you good at every. Do you have to be good at kind of everything? Like, when you say, okay, like, what's your handicap?

[Blake Griffin]

Like, a nine.

[Host 1]

Oh, okay. So you're good?

[Host 2]

You guys talking golf?

[Kristen]

That's good.

[Host 1]

No, that's good.

[Blake Griffin]

I started, like, playing, like, four and a half years ago and, like, got obsessed with it.

[Host 1]

But you would be good at, like. Like, football? Like, you'd be.

[Blake Griffin]

I played football, basketball, baseball, soccer, growing up.

[Host 1]

Like, you're good at all of those. Could you have gone professional at any of those, you think?

[Blake Griffin]

I think maybe football.

[Chuck]

Yes.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chuck]

He could have been a Hall of Fame.

[Blake Griffin]

Not for sure, but, yeah, I really think it could have been, like, a defensive end or something, like, Too Tall.

[Host 1]

Wow.

[Blake Griffin]

You think so?

[Host 1]

So your son is how old?

[Blake Griffin]

12.

[Host 1]

Do you want him to do.

[Blake Griffin]

Only I truly mean this. Only if he actually wants to do it.

[Host 1]

Is he into it?

[Blake Griffin]

He loves sports. Loves. Found it on his own. Loves basketball, loves football.

[Host 1]

And are you, like, secretly, though, like.

[Blake Griffin]

Yes, I just. My hope for him is, like, if he does want to play professionally or even in college, like, that he's, like, really loves it because it can get a little brutal, especially with how people talk to people now.

[Chuck]

I feel like it's not really spoken about how often, like, athletes are just, like. It's carte blanche to fully dehumanize them and be like, hey, fuck you, Blake. You're a fucking weak pussy. And, like, you're supposed to, like, you have to.

[Blake Griffin]

It'll be like a kid sitting courtside, like, talking shit to you, and you're just like, what the fuck was. It's like the elevator theory of, like, don't ever say to somebody during a basketball game or a sporting event that you wouldn't say if you were trapped in an elevator with them, could you

[Chuck]

lose a big game? Maybe even. Maybe a playoff game? That's not. You're not eliminated. But, like, a big playoff game and could you lose that game and go home and have a pleasant evening.

[Blake Griffin]

No.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

No. Or, like, sick. Like, especially a playoff game, but a

[Chuck]

regular season game, you could maybe help

[Blake Griffin]

a regular season game over time. Like, some are hurt more than others. Like, if you play really bad and you lose.

[Chuck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

That's not to say, like, if you lose, you play good, but, like, if you play bad and you lose, you're like, damn, that was my fault.

[Host 2]

How long till you can, like, kind of recalibrate and, like, be back to, like, all right, I'm, like, not gonna let this eat me up anymore.

[Blake Griffin]

I think it'll always stay with you a little bit. Like, one year in the playoffs, we were supposed to do really, really well and, like, ended up losing, I think, in the second round to Oklahoma City and had a chance to beat them. And after that series, I literally. I had, like, two of my buddies were staying with me. We, like, woke up every day, went into my theater and watched Game of Thrones and, like, watched. I think I watched, like, six seasons in, like, literally five days. Like, we would just lock ourselves in there and order food and just. Yeah, it's too bad.

[Chuck]

I love hearing.

[Blake Griffin]

Do you cry?

[Host 2]

There's tears.

[Blake Griffin]

I've cried. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Not regular season games, but playoffs.

[Chuck]

Do you look back like, you know, you're a Lob city. The Clippers, that's one of the kind of, like, the. The most famous, like, winning teams that. That didn't do it. Like, are you going to be haunted by that or not really? Because you're, like, it. I'm like, Blake Griffin. I had, like, a Hall of Fame career.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, no, like, bummed for sure. Like, I, I. I look back, and I'm just. I'll see, like, highlights and. Or I'll see something now, and I'll be like, I wish. I wish I could have just done this, or I wish I could have, like, been a little bit better at that. Or, like, you know, it's not like. It's not to the point where I'm, like. It's not like, dread. Like, I'm not, like, sitting there dwelling on it, but, like, yeah, it bums me out that we never.

[Chuck]

Do you think you think about it every week?

[Blake Griffin]

Do you think once a week? Yeah, probably.

[Host 2]

Really?

[Blake Griffin]

Well, you think about. I mean, you should, like, just think

[Chuck]

about his legacy also.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, in my house, I have, like, my jerseys, and you see, like, the Clippers jersey. Like, so it's not like that I'm sitting there being like, damn. Or I'll just kind of be. I don't know if once a week might feel a little bit too much once a week. But like, I definitely like, think about

[Host 2]

you think about it. But you're not like so heavily impacted by it.

[Blake Griffin]

Quarterly. A little poorly sad session.

[Chuck]

KFC box feast.

[Host 2]

Why don't we each pick one and

[Host 1]

ah, I'm going 11.

[Chuck]

And I'm going nuggets.

[Host 1]

Oh my God.

[Chuck]

You know this is only $7.

[Host 2]

No, this is only 9.

[Host 1]

This one 11. Look at this. Can you see how thick this sandwich is? Look at this sandwich.

[Host 2]

Why do you think KFC is giving away chicken for free?

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Chuck]

Not for free, but for cheap ladies.

[Host 1]

Something happened with the kernel, but I think it might be on purpose out of goodness of his heart.

[Chuck]

You know that my family gave the Colonel his first job in America.

[Kristen]

What? Who did? Really?

[Chuck]

I'm making it up. I don't know the Colonel.

[Host 1]

Time to feast. Prices and participation may vary. Tax tip and extra. Fees extra.

[Chuck]

No. And fees extra.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh.

[Host 1]

Tax tip and fees extra. Chuck, have you ever been scammed?

[Chuck]

I have. New York City. A man put headphones on me and said, do you like this? I said, yeah. And then he charged me and he assumed that I said that means I wanted to buy it.

[Host 2]

I don't think that's a scam. I think that was just kind of.

[Chuck]

That's a scam.

[Host 2]

A scam is like, did somebody steal your identity or something?

[Chuck]

Well, with Cash App, that scam wouldn't happen. And let me tell you, keeping your

[Host 2]

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[Chuck]

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[Host 2]

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[Chuck]

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[Host 2]

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[Chuck]

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[Host 2]

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[Chuck]

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[Blake Griffin]

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[Host 2]

Good job.

[Chuck]

Are you competitive as an analyst? Because I think you have the skill set to be a truly Elite, all time analyst. But I'm not sure that's what you want to start, but. Or do you feel competitive the same way you did as a player?

[Blake Griffin]

Well, I feel competitive in terms of being prepared, but what I've learned about this show is because I'm with Dirk and Steve Nash and Udonis Haslam and then Taylor Rooks is our host. Like, the show is better when we're all. So I'm not competitive with.

[Chuck]

No, no, no.

[Blake Griffin]

But, like, I'm competitive in terms of, like, I want to know what I'm talking about and I want to say it in a way where people are like, wow, that's really good.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And I just. I'm trying to, like, do a thing where I'm not. I'm only like, I'll be critical, but only if it's, like, truly deserved. Like, I could. Yeah. Guy went three for 17. Like, that's fine. It happens. Do you think he's happy about it?

[Host 2]

No, I like that you're doing that.

[Blake Griffin]

No one wanted to make those shots more than he did. Trust me.

[Host 2]

You reframe it so it doesn't feel like it's such a critique of that.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, there's a way to.

[Host 2]

Which I think is good.

[Chuck]

I think that is good.

[Blake Griffin]

There's a way to say it.

[Chuck]

Did you ever go to a sports psychologist?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, every team has. So my first time ever seeing a sports psychologist, around 2012, I think it was. It sort of became more of a thing, and the Clippers hired the team sports psychologist, and everybody was required to meet with him. So he's like, hey. You know, he comes up to me after practice like, hey, why don't you. If you want to meet, like, outside of here, we don't have to sit there. We can go get coffee. I can come by the house. And I lived in Manhattan beach at the time, like, down on the ocean. I was like, yeah, why don't you come? And we sat on my balcony and we talked. He left and I went in to take a shower. I put my phone on the charger, took a shower, came back, and I see a missed call from him and a voicemail. And so I clicked the voicemail and it's him. And he goes, hey, coach. Just left Blake's house. We had a good talk, some really interesting things. And I was like, oh, man. I was like, oh, my God, that's crazy. First of all, I can't believe he fucked up that bad because that's really fucked up. And second of all, I was like, well, fuck that I'm never seeing another sports psychologist ever again.

[Chuck]

I wouldn't even have thought that was legal.

[Blake Griffin]

I guess I don't think it is.

[Chuck]

Oh, okay.

[Host 2]

Do you go to therapy?

[Blake Griffin]

I do, yeah, I do. I didn't most of my career, but I have, like, pretty consistently lately.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I'm surprised you didn't do it for your. I feel like I would have to do.

[Chuck]

Didn't have time yet to get his feet in the bucket.

[Host 2]

But so much of it, too, is Miami. You were meal prepping.

[Host 1]

Do you ever wear the ice buckets to the club? You ever.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, dude. Have you heard the Mullen style?

[Host 1]

No.

[Blake Griffin]

God, there's a. Oh, my God. I just went blank on his name. You can see Klay Thompson. No, no, no. Older guy.

[Chuck]

Chris Mullins.

[Blake Griffin]

Chris Mullins. Oh, my gosh. Apparently he used to go to some bar, like some kind of, like, dive bar after every home game, and he would get a giant ice bucket with like 15 beers, put his feet in it and sit there and just sip beers. And people would come up and he would. I always loved that story.

[Host 2]

Can you do a game hungover? Have you ever played a game slightly hungover, or does it really fuck with you? Yeah, yeah.

[Kristen]

You have?

[Blake Griffin]

Of course. Yeah, I've definitely, like. Yeah, it's.

[Host 1]

Have you ever played Amazing.

[Blake Griffin]

Not very much. Yeah, like, hungover. Like, by the way, a lot of times when you're sick or you're hungover, you'll have, like. And I didn't hungover. I did very, very rarely. But there was one time where we were, like, in New York and, like, a blizzard was coming in and we're like, the game might get canceled, but we go to New York and then there's like, one of those, like, restaurant turns into a. And like, next thing I know, it's like 2:00am and I'm like, oh, I gotta get out of here. So I go home, sleep, wake up, see a text, Shoot around's been canceled. I'm like, thank God. So we don't have to get on the bus and go to shoot Around. So I just slept until we left for the game, which is like 3 or 4.

[Host 1]

Do any players get high? I play perfect. I play so much better.

[Blake Griffin]

There's no possible chance I could play high.

[Chuck]

Me neither.

[Host 2]

Oh, we should get high and I'll play you because I would be great.

[Host 1]

I do like it just for sport. I actually don't. It's funny. I don't get high while I make music. I don't like the feeling. I need to Stay very.

[Blake Griffin]

So now you understand the basketball.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I need to stay so focused. I don't even understand how I could do it if I'm, like, alone creating, like, a. No. Sometimes the stress. The stress. You're like. It's like, we know it's our last day. It's like game seven. We don't have, like. We don't. The song's, like, not done. We don't have it.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, you gotta, like, deadline for an album or, like, deadline.

[Chuck]

Do, like, a week with an artist at, like, a cool studio or something, and then, like, they won't be booked on that month, and they'll know it's like, their last chance for a while to work on the thing they're working on.

[Host 2]

Or, like.

[Host 1]

Like. Like, when we were doing all those Kanye albums, we would. Where he was making them in, like, seven days.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, it'd be like.

[Host 1]

It'd be like.

[Blake Griffin]

Was he really.

[Host 1]

Yeah, it'd be. It'd be. It'd be. Date started day seven. Zero vocals recorded. 00 for the whole album. And we. He'd be coming to the release party

[Chuck]

would be like, 8pm that night. And he'd be like, I don't know how that's gonna happen.

[Host 1]

Vocals, dude. And we. We go like this. We'd go like this. I remember we were doing the Kid See Ghost one. The ones with. The one with Kid Cudi. Okay.

[Blake Griffin]

And.

[Host 1]

And we're sitting there, and he did it at, like, this ghost town far away. And, like, you went to that one?

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, was that the one out in, like.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something crazy far. And I'm sit. And I'm. And I'm sitting with. Yay. And it's the night before, and we're, like, about to start recording all the vocals. And he's like, bro, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. And he said, I'm gonna. It was like 5pm and he was like, I'm gonna go sleep. I'm gonna come back at 3am and I'm gonna cut until the next day. Until we do it. We had no vocals, just scratch vocals. He came back at 3:00am he cuts the whole thing. We're. It's. It's like 7:00pm the thing starts at 8:00pm we still. Like, there's so much left to do. Like, I'm in this room. There's, like, a glass case where you are, like. Like, window where you are. So you can see through. And you see guys, like, all the people that work for him, guys have, like, two phones. They're like, you see people, like, yelling. And he's like. And he's like. He's like, play it again. And we're, like, listening to Reborn. And he listens to his verse and he's like, again, Again. And he listens like 10 times. And we're like. And I'm like, what's he listening for? And he stands up and he's like, man, he's like, I'm fucking dope. Like. And then he's like, I just had. He's like, I just had to realize how good I was again. And then. Then we're. We get in the car, he's still. We're recording vocals on a laptop on the way there. Putting them into the. Like, a lot of it was recorded just on. Like, sometimes it was recorded on a cell phone and we just put it in.

[Chuck]

He would change it the day after. The day after.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah. And then we get there and it's like those. Those times, they're so electric because it's like. And like, for me, every time I'm turning in an album for anyone, whatever it is, I'm like, I always leave it kind of till the last minute because I like to fiddle. I like to fiddle so much.

[Chuck]

You like the.

[Host 1]

I like the rock.

[Blake Griffin]

The pressure.

[Host 1]

I want the ball when it's time to go. And it's like, there's. You could pass it to anyone. I want the rock. I want to shoot the three every time. 10 out of 10.

[Host 2]

Me too. I would love to be past the ball and shoot it and make it shoot one.

[Host 1]

Empty.

[Blake Griffin]

Is there a hoop? Oh. Oh, you're the hoop. Okay.

[Host 2]

Almost there.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, really? Can I sit on this?

[Host 1]

Yeah. Who knows if it can hold a

[Blake Griffin]

man like you, Dust, who is the

[Chuck]

hardest guy you ever had to play against like that? Just like, oh, I can't believe I gotta play him tonight.

[Blake Griffin]

Both in terms of guarding.

[Chuck]

Guarding, but I also mean, like, fear.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, you feared no man.

[Host 1]

I feared no man. You fear us a little.

[Blake Griffin]

I do fear a little bit.

[Host 1]

A little.

[Host 2]

A little.

[Blake Griffin]

Who did you fear, man? I don't. It's like, a good question. I mean, there was like. Really. The thing was you, like, love playing against the best players, so it's like. Like there were some guys that were just like, more physical and more, like, harder to guard that were just like. It was just like, damn, that sucks. Yeah, but like, the. Like, the Tim Duncan when I first got in, Dirk. And, like, lamarcus Aldridge was so. He was so good. So good off the mid range that, like, he was But I loved playing against him.

[Host 1]

Was there any kid like you? Any guy that, like, just so happened it was like, his last year when you were in that you grew up, like, watching every, like, as a kid, and you, like, are playing like your hero.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, my, like, first, like, real, like. Welcome to. Welcome to the NBA moment. We're playing San Antonio in a preseason game. It's my first preseason game, and we're in San Antonio and I'm doing the court warmup early, like I talked about.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And I'm, like, going through stuff, and I turn and I look at the other end and Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is warming up. Want me to be Duncan?

[Chuck]

I'll be Dunc.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, you'd be Duncan.

[Host 1]

The nicest man alive.

[Blake Griffin]

You be Duncan. He is the sweetest person ever, but he's also like. You have to understand of. Since I was 9 years old, I've been watching him. He's, like, warming up, and I turn and I literally just stopped and I watched him for a second. My coach was like, yo. I was like, oh, Yep.

[Host 1]

Keep warm.

[Blake Griffin]

And it hit me in that moment that I was like, holy shit, this is my dream. I'm about to play against Tim Duncan. It was a preseason game.

[Chuck]

Did you say anything to him? Like, man, love.

[Blake Griffin]

You said.

[Chuck]

Did you say anything to him?

[Host 1]

Did you say, like, you're my hero?

[Blake Griffin]

You know what? I was so, like, can't give away an edge that, like, I didn't.

[Host 1]

Not even at the end.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, no, no. For sure. He knows how much I. Tim, you watch.

[Host 2]

What about when there'd be, like, people on the side, like, the. Any the celebrities on the side? Yeah.

[Host 1]

You ever fall in love with a woman? Like, when you're like, has that ever happened?

[Host 2]

You're, like, dripping down on the sideline?

[Blake Griffin]

Definitely. Like, when you're, like, young and single and, like, you know, especially in la, sitting courtside, it gives you a little extra pepper.

[Host 1]

Wait, have you ever gotten a date off of, like, when a girl sitting courtside and you're. You don't have to say name, but, like, you're dribbling down and she's there and you lock eyes and you, like,

[Chuck]

DM her after or something?

[Host 1]

Not even dm. Maybe you go up to him.

[Chuck]

No, he's a class actor.

[Blake Griffin]

No, he's a professional.

[Host 2]

There's nothing not classy about that.

[Chuck]

And I.

[Blake Griffin]

Yes. Nothing not classy about that.

[Chuck]

Wasn't it crazy going against kg?

[Blake Griffin]

Like, yeah.

[Chuck]

He was probably so intense.

[Blake Griffin]

Whenever I saw. Dude, he. Dude, he was. He because he, like, talks to himself. Like, he'll talk shit, but he's. He's. He's like. He'll like, walk right by you and be like, this. Can't guard you. But he's talking to himself. So you're like. You're like.

[Host 1]

You're like, am I the pussy?

[Blake Griffin]

Am I the pussy in the equation? Okay. Dirty. He also, before games, he would go. Sorry. He would go. He would, like, pull his jersey out and be like. Like, chest. And you're just like, what the.

[Host 2]

Like, good luck.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't know.

[Host 1]

Disgust.

[Chuck]

It's intimidation.

[Host 1]

It worked on you.

[Blake Griffin]

You just be like, that's disgust.

[Host 1]

Disgusting.

[Chuck]

Kevin Garnett, kg.

[Blake Griffin]

Kg.

[Host 1]

Was any man so sweaty, you didn't want to, like, go. I know. In a pickup game.

[Blake Griffin]

I hate it.

[Kristen]

No.

[Chuck]

You're not noticing differences in men's sweat.

[Blake Griffin]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Really? Of course you are.

[Blake Griffin]

You don't even pick up the guard in the post. And, like, you have to.

[Chuck]

I thought everyone was so sweaty.

[Blake Griffin]

No, no, not the same amount.

[Host 2]

What about bm?

[Blake Griffin]

I would change my jersey. Oh, yeah. Who smelled the word?

[Host 2]

No, don't say it.

[Blake Griffin]

Don't say it.

[Chuck]

Yeah, but who does Jokic sweat a lot?

[Blake Griffin]

He. Man, he's like, kind of a sweaty guy. Yeah, but like, dude, look at sga. Looks like he never sweats.

[Chuck]

Yeah. And be like, every time he's at

[Host 1]

the foul line, it's like. It's waterfall going on.

[Blake Griffin]

I played with Andre Drummond. He would change his uniform. He would wear four different jerseys.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Blake Griffin]

I would change at halftime. Cause I sweat a lot.

[Host 2]

Does everyone change at halftime?

[Blake Griffin]

Not, no. But I. I am like a. I'm my whole fit. Like, my dad and my brother and I all sweat. Like, when I work out in the summer, I would take, like, three shirts.

[Chuck]

Listen.

[Blake Griffin]

And I would, like, change shirts, like, during the workout.

[Host 1]

Wow.

[Blake Griffin]

It's like. It's weird.

[Host 1]

Have you ever used your sweat to your advantage,

[Blake Griffin]

by the way?

[Host 1]

Free throw.

[Blake Griffin]

Free throw.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

If the other team shooting, the other team shooting. So, like, you know, you're. You're the block and you, like. I would go like this. Give it back to the ref. And sometimes the ref wouldn't notice. And then you would do that. Oh, yeah. Hey, did you do.

[Chuck]

Do you, like, at the front line?

[Host 1]

Me?

[Blake Griffin]

Anything.

[Chuck]

Are you ever, like, when they're shooting pussy? Like, do you ever do that or.

[Kristen]

No.

[Chuck]

No one does that in the NBA.

[Blake Griffin]

But I would always do, like. I would always kind of like, why was.

[Chuck]

Why would. No, why wouldn't someone do that at the biggest crunch time moment are you talking about?

[Blake Griffin]

I feel like.

[Kristen]

I don't know.

[Chuck]

It's never done.

[Blake Griffin]

I feel like it's just. You use, like, guys will talk. They'll talk.

[Kristen]

Was there.

[Host 1]

I was farting during.

[Host 2]

Like.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, yeah, you're definitely, like, no farting.

[Host 1]

Like, like, wow. Like, right before the free throw. Like. Like, it.

[Blake Griffin]

There's definitely times where you're, like, walking. You're like, oh, somebody just farted. Like, you know, there's like nine other guys. I don't know who it was.

[Host 1]

Why is there not a guy, like, going like this? Like. Like, like, guy's about to shoot the free throw and just like.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Or some guy who's like, in the NBA.

[Blake Griffin]

I never experienced it, but I'm sure,

[Host 1]

like, in the aba, they're doing.

[Blake Griffin]

I could see, like. Yeah, I could see, like, J.R. smith doing something like that. Remember when he untied the guy shoe at the feet?

[Chuck]

Do you believe there's a line, a line to cross with personal trash talk?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, 100%. There's certain things like, you shouldn't. Like, you can't. You can't take things like. Shouldn't say anything about anybody's family.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, really, like, you shouldn't in the NBA, especially because of just the word. Like, you shouldn't call somebody A.

[Host 1]

Really.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, it happens.

[Chuck]

But, like, you feel like everyone calls everyone a.

[Host 1]

Have you ever done it?

[Host 2]

Really?

[Host 1]

They're all just saying you never called anyone.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, somebody will be like, yeah, yeah. But, like, I mean, that's not to say guys definitely do. That's not, like, crossing the line. But it is, like, one of those things that will escalate it from like, normal trash talk to, like, oh, it's like, heated now.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Just if you say you're a.

[Blake Griffin]

You definitely. You can say that. But, like, it will take the trash talk. It will take the whatever is happening up to another level.

[Chuck]

Wasn't there, like, a Chris Paul locker room fight situation? It's all myth.

[Blake Griffin]

No, it was like, is that your team? So that was when CP left to go to Houston.

[Chuck]

Right.

[Blake Griffin]

And we are in the locker room. CP and Austin Rivers had, like, gotten into it. I think Austin said something. This is like, what I. And then. So, I mean, CP was just on our team. So the away locker room at Staples center now crypto. And the Clippers locker room is, like, right next to each other. There's just a hallway that separates the two. So he just went out the side door and they tried to come talk to Austin. And it Ended up being like the exact same thing. You see on the court of, like a group of us, a group of them. It was just like, yeah, yeah. And everybody's like, all right, all right, all right. And like, nothing happened. It was like really blown out of proportion.

[Host 1]

Who's in charge of the pre game music? Like, whose ipod gets to go off?

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, in the locker room. In the locker room, yeah. Usually the vets.

[Host 1]

Did they trust your taste?

[Blake Griffin]

So, okay, so pre game locker room, you're not really playing music.

[Host 1]

No music.

[Blake Griffin]

But like weight room at the practice facility and stuff, you're playing music.

[Host 2]

Why don't you just listen to your own? Everyone has to listen to the same.

[Blake Griffin]

You can.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

So in the locker room, there's usually not music. Guys are using their headphones just because guys want to. But like, practice facility and stuff, like. Yeah, I would like.

[Chuck]

Is it showers in there where everyone can see everything?

[Blake Griffin]

Some of them.

[Chuck]

Why would they still be that way?

[Blake Griffin]

Well, some of the home locker room when you go on the road. Cause the visitor locker rooms aren't nearly as nice as the home.

[Chuck]

But then. Yeah, it's like, let's like making you seen all your.

[Host 1]

You've seen your whole team naked.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, at some point.

[Host 1]

Really?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, wow.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, you kind of like, it's unavoidable. You're in the locker room, you have to change. Showers are like, like there's probably. I mean, wow.

[Host 1]

Are there any guys who are like camp where they're scared, they turn around and like, they don't.

[Blake Griffin]

Tobias from Arrested Development never needs.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Are there any guys who. Who.

[Blake Griffin]

There's definitely like, guys who are a

[Host 1]

little bathing suit on.

[Blake Griffin]

Less cavalier about.

[Chuck]

No one's ever showered the bathing suit on that you've seen.

[Blake Griffin]

No, no, no. That would be crazy.

[Chuck]

I would if I was in the NBA.

[Blake Griffin]

There's definitely some guys that are like, you know, you, like, you're just more like.

[Host 1]

There's a few guys who are just

[Blake Griffin]

walking around, just walking in frame.

[Chuck]

I used to dread going to bed every night because I had to brush my teeth. And brushing my teeth would take 25 minutes with my rituals.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Took up a lot of time.

[Chuck]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Chuck]

To learn more about starting OCD therapy with NOCD, go to nocd.com friends and book a free call with their team.

[Blake Griffin]

That's nocd.com friends.

[Chuck]

When you need a new mattress, what do you do? I used to, like, go store to store and rely on the thing, but now I go on this website that Helix has and I take a quiz and I really get all this thoughtful information about exactly what type of mattress I should use. And I actually have Helix.

[Host 2]

It's way more efficient to do it this way.

[Host 1]

Are you telling me we've been sleeping on Helix that I can rid myself of back pain and overheating?

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

Where do I go for this sleep quiz?

[Chuck]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

We sent you.

[Kristen]

You.

[Host 1]

We're sending you right now.

[Chuck]

Elix sleep.comfks is everyone showering after the game or do some people wait till they're home?

[Blake Griffin]

No. So if you like, especially like rookies or something, if you don't shower after practice or after games, you get like, like a rookie, you're like, hey, like, that's one because. And you only get. Because it's just gross to like be around.

[Chuck]

And you don't.

[Blake Griffin]

Some guys, you don't know if they're going home and showering.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And like, so after games, like, like,

[Host 1]

did you ever have to have a talk. Did you. Did a coach ever have to have a talk with one of the players and be like, hey, man, you stink.

[Blake Griffin]

You need to change your dealership. By the way, I'm sure it has happened, but nobody I ever played with,

[Chuck]

every time I watch an NBA game, I always, it's, I can't believe they make these men. They're so 10.

[Host 1]

They, they're like, they have two.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. You guys are like this.

[Blake Griffin]

We're the biggest athletes in the world. Like, not necessarily pound for pound, but size, height wise and we also have to move so dynamically and we have the smallest rest areas.

[Host 1]

You should have lazy boys.

[Chuck]

It's because they want to sell every seat.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, every seat. All those Courtside seats are 2 to 6 to 8K.

[Chuck]

Are you wearing a brand new pair of shoes every game?

[Blake Griffin]

Almost.

[Chuck]

Why? Isn't it better when they're worn in?

[Blake Griffin]

No, because the. I mean, if you think about like my weight.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Like I can break a pair of shoes in and like the heat, you know, from your foot. Like, break a pair of shoes in. Like, break in.

[Host 1]

I'll break a pair of shoes in. In.

[Blake Griffin]

You can break them in so easily.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

That like once I go out and do my 30 minute warmup and do my lift and then go out for warmups again, the shoe is completely broken in.

[Host 2]

You never have at your level, you weren't like ever annoyed. Like, you would never like get in fights with your coach about like playtime, Right. Like, that doesn't happen.

[Blake Griffin]

Not really playing time. They don't pull you out as. I guess I got old. Like. Yeah, I mean, you guys, that happens. All the guys are. Most guys are a little bit upset about their playing time. Unless you're a starter. Well, top two or three starters, usually they're playing enough where you're like, doesn't matter. But everybody else below that. I mean, it's basketball. You want to play.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And so it's like, it's kind of like, it's not a bad thing. It's like a healthy. As long as you're having a healthy conversation about it, who do they complain to?

[Host 2]

Like the.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, yeah, you'll talk to coaches, you'll talk to them. Maybe your agent will call the gm, like general manager.

[Chuck]

Your season that you probably had the least playing time was what, Celtics or something. And that was like the only year that you ever experienced that, that level of playing time, right?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

The year before in Brooklyn, I was like kind of in and out a little bit.

[Chuck]

But like, was it enjoyable still to be a part of an NBA team and watch playing fewer or was it just kind of torture?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, it's fun being with the guys, but yeah, sometimes torture a little bit. Like, just like being like, I wish I could be out there, you know?

[Host 2]

Can you say, can't you?

[Chuck]

No, but.

[Blake Griffin]

No, but you have to be. You also have to be like self aware and be like, at that point in my career, I was like, yeah. I mean, there's better. There's guys that can, you know, so it's.

[Host 2]

Wait, is there any guy on the bench that never plays.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So many multiple.

[Host 2]

And they show up every day and they sit out there and they wait.

[Host 1]

There's some guys, they. There's a guy that they.

[Host 2]

They're getting paid a lot.

[Host 1]

Yeah, there's some guys. There's some guys that get to play that they have on the team just like, for almost like moral support. Like, that was that guy they got back on. It wasn't the Knicks or someone. They brought someone back. Taj Gibson might have been this year. Like an older. It was recently they brought back an older guy.

[Blake Griffin]

It's called locker room guys. So it's like an older vet who's like. Especially younger teams need, like, somebody older who's a good guy. And like.

[Host 1]

Yeah. You didn't know.

[Host 2]

That is the sweetest team spirited thing I've ever heard.

[Host 1]

How come it's so common in basketball? Wow, you're really feeling the game. Yeah, I feel it. Feel good. You just put him on this guy's hand. He can't stop. You can't stop. I did notice when you stood up, though, your knee made a sound.

[Blake Griffin]

It made a sound. It was a. Did it hurt both of them?

[Host 1]

No, I didn't hear that at all. I heard it twice. Why did my knees crack both times?

[Blake Griffin]

Standing up cracks my ankles.

[Kristen]

Knees.

[Host 1]

Do you eat so much? You're so tall. I was just thinking about this.

[Host 2]

You eat so much.

[Host 1]

I was just thinking about it.

[Blake Griffin]

I used to eat a lot more.

[Host 1]

When you're playing games, are you eating like 8,000 calories?

[Blake Griffin]

Calories a day?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

65.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Like if you're playing a game after a game, maybe.

[Blake Griffin]

Maybe 7,000.

[Host 1]

And does it have to be healthy?

[Host 2]

That sounds fun.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, it doesn't have to be, but it helps.

[Host 1]

Isn't there like some NBA player who says all he eats is, like, Sour Patch Kid? What was the. Or is it NFL player Lamar Odomar?

[Chuck]

Odom, yeah. Ate a lot of candy.

[Blake Griffin]

Jamal Crawford. He won't mind me. He's like a candy. He would get on the plane with like a bag of just like, just candy, candy all in the bag. He's got, like his iPad, headphones, and candy.

[Host 1]

When I first met Lil Yachty candy. He drank candy. Like seven to ten sodas a day and only candy. And then one time he. I think I still have the voice note. He called me so proud that he said he stopped. He said he hadn't had any sodas or any sugar water. Like water with sugar in it. He said. He said for the last Two months. And he was so proud. I still have a video of he

[Blake Griffin]

probably feels so much better.

[Chuck]

Yeah. You changed Yachty's life.

[Host 1]

I might have. I'm gonna see if I have it.

[Chuck]

Look for it.

[Host 1]

I will. You guys talk amongst yourselves.

[Blake Griffin]

7. Seven sodas is a lot of sodas.

[Host 2]

Your teeth would rot out.

[Blake Griffin]

What's. You guys go to carbonated beverage?

[Chuck]

I mean, for me, I got no choice but to go with Olipop.

[Host 1]

Okay. I'd like to play you.

[Host 2]

It.

[Kristen]

It almost slipped my mind. And I almost forgot to tell you. I was just watching my boat show episodes and I'm about to release the one. Oh, wait, this third one, which will be. I'll have a little piece of our session in it. But I haven't had soda or juice since three weeks ago. Maybe. When I saw you last time, I had some. I think I drunk only water every single day. I lost about £12. My skin's flourishing.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

This you'll ever meet. I just wanted to say this to you so you know.

[Chuck]

That's sweet.

[Kristen]

Seriously, no soda? No.

[Chuck]

So genuine.

[Blake Griffin]

Isn't it crazy how much. How much weight people can lose when they like, just drinking, Drinking calories is like so much. Do you guys eat healthy?

[Chuck]

No.

[Host 1]

I do.

[Host 2]

He says he eats like you eat, like a little kid.

[Chuck]

You know, every.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, like every one of my best friends from back home. The one I was telling you about. Live with me. Eats like chicken tenders and pizza.

[Chuck]

It's like super bowl every meal.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

That's what, 10 wings. Wings are here.

[Host 1]

It was his birthday and we said, we're gonna cook you all your favorite things. What are your favorite things? Here was the menu. It was chicken tenders. Oh, they're panko buffalo chicken wing dip.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, it is very good.

[Host 1]

Cheesesteaks and calzones and a Caesar salad.

[Host 2]

We were all, like, sick after, like,

[Host 1]

ourselves and dry cakes. We didn't get it for him, but he requested a dry cake.

[Chuck]

I love dry cake.

[Blake Griffin]

What is dry cake?

[Host 1]

I don't know.

[Chuck]

I just don't like icing.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, yeah.

[Chuck]

Maybe if there's a thin layer.

[Host 1]

But do you eat health moist?

[Host 2]

You don't like moist?

[Blake Griffin]

I. I like pretty. Pretty relaxed. But, like, for the most part, I'll try. I would call it like 70, 30. What are you, like, healthy to like?

[Kristen]

Are you.

[Blake Griffin]

I love food.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Chuck]

Are you going to play golf today? What are you going to do next?

[Host 2]

Yeah. What's your day?

[Blake Griffin]

I'm going out to. Going to Malibu.

[Host 2]

You spend more time in Malibu.

[Chuck]

That's what I was going to ask.

[Blake Griffin]

We spend a decent amount of time in Malibu. Like, if I don't have that, the kids aren't. The kids are not with me.

[Chuck]

Well, Blake, I gotta tell you, you are just an absolute pleasure of a man.

[Blake Griffin]

Dude, this was great.

[Host 1]

You're so personable. Like, you're like our same type of.

[Chuck]

I mean, we would have been friends.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think we are.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

What happened? Can you make friends at 37, 38, respectively?

[Host 1]

I think if we all went to the same school, we'd be, like, in the same circle.

[Blake Griffin]

I hung out more with them.

[Host 2]

Wait, what grade were you? You.

[Host 1]

What grade you.

[Blake Griffin]

07. High school.

[Host 1]

Me, too. 06.

[Kristen]

06.

[Chuck]

Older guy.

[Host 2]

You guys were in the grade?

[Host 1]

Bubba, maybe you would, like, have looked up to a guy like your class. You might have looked up to a guy like me.

[Blake Griffin]

The seniors.

[Host 2]

Yeah, the seniors. When we were juniors, we would have

[Chuck]

been proud of you.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Thank you.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I would have been proud of you guys.

[Chuck]

I want another group hug.

[Host 2]

Kind of all over.

[Blake Griffin]

What great clothes.

[Chuck]

Dude, you're so.