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Stephen, did you know I'm a reading warrior? And by Reading Warrior, I'm trying to get a book it ticket, you know, so I. So I can go to Pizza Hut and get my free pizza personal pan like. Like when I was a kid. Jared PolandFronos photo.com and welcome to the Raw Talk, episode number 2 01. Steven's here. Hi, Steven. Hello. I just realized we were just talking about this. I hadn't done an intro because we've been doing the. The voicemail thing, which I still like doing the voicemail thing, but I felt like doing an intro today.
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B
I hate the voicemails personally.
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A
Why do you hate the voicemails?
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B
It just seems so forced and cheesy. It just sounds a little weird.
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A
You're weird. Okay, then maybe we don't do a voicemail and I do my intro. I don't know, Stephen. We don't have metrics on that to know. I have no idea.
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B
We did it once as like a joke and I think from there you kept doing it every week and I'm like, I guess this is going to become a thing.
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A
Well, there's a show called Heavyweights that I like. That's a podcast that starts with a voicemail each week.
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B
So you stole it?
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A
Yeah, I borrowed it because that's what they did.
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B
Gary Vaynerchuk.
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A
Vaynerchuk Sniff, Test of wine and all of that good stuff. So here's a pre cap of what's coming up. I want to talk about a book I'm reading. We're going to do a recap on a couple of videos we just put out. We have the longest user guide, which is one of those videos. I'm thinking of redoing one of the think tank bags custom that I did back in the day. Turns out it was over 10 years ago at this point, which is kind of crazy. I showed up in the background of a bunch of PBA on TV a lot at the recent bowling event. I'm going to talk about what I was doing there. DJI SuzeInsta360 and Insta360 Suze DJI there's a Canon rumor, a Sigma rumor, and then something that I didn't know about Sony and Tamron that we will bring up at the very end of the show. But let's start with Reading Rainbow. It's in a book. Take a look. It's Reading Rainbow. Rainbow I can go anywhere Things to know, ways to grow. It's Reading Rainbow.
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B
Catchy tune.
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A
It is a great song. I love reading Rainbow. And LeVar Burton and all that stuff.
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B
I feel like I was watching, like, the Magic School Bus, too, around that era.
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A
Well, yeah, no, I. We didn't have the school bus. I do remember the Muppet Babies, though. There was the Muppet Babies. Muppet Babies.
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B
Do you remember Dinosaur. And they had that one dinosaur baby.
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A
Not the baby.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Well, that's dinosaurs. I never watched it. Go watch. And I never watched that show.
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B
Such a weird show.
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A
It is. But go watch the finale, I think. No, not the finale. Just the final sequence. I think the dinosaurs all die. I think that's how they ended the show.
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B
Oh, it was like a kid show.
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A
No, it wasn't a kid. It was a sitcom.
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B
I mean, it was very cheesy.
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A
I know, but whatever.
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B
I think the guy who created Boy Meets World did that show. Michael Jacobs.
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A
You know everything about Boy Meets World. Because you love Topanga.
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B
I do. Still.
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A
She's signed on to do a new show, by the way.
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B
What show?
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A
I know this is not TV talk, but she's on it with Patrick Reyna, the kid. The great hambino from. From the sandlot. Oh. He wrote a show called. I believe it's called Dugout Dads. So he's a baseball coach. And then there's. And then there's cameos from his other counterparts from the sandlot that show up. So we'll see if a show like that works or not. She plays his wife in the show.
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B
It's hard to. I don't know, hard to bring that nostalgia back. Because they tried that with Boy Meets World. They did Girl Meets World, and it was just like a cheesy sitcom.
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A
Well, I'm hoping it's not cheesy, because cheesy doesn't work.
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B
I agree.
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A
So, anyway, let me talk about this book. I'm reading a book, and by reading. And I'm listening to it on Spotify, Red Rising. Have you heard of Red Rising?
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B
I have not.
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A
So Red Rising. I don't know how many of you guys actually like listening to books. I find it sometimes good. And then I go months without listening to books because I get tired of it. Anyway, Red Rising is pretty cool. It's about these different sex. It's way different in sex. Not sex, sex. Like, there's the red, there's the pinks, there's the golds, the silvers, the bronze, the different sects of people. And it's about Red Rising. Red is the lowest form, and they are rising. And it's kind of interesting. If you read Silo, there's some similarities that go there, but I did find out that Silo came out before Red Rising, but are some crossover similarities, even though they're not the same thing.
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B
Silo season three, by the way, is starting in two weeks.
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A
Oh, I haven't watched the trailer yet.
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B
Oh, it looks awesome.
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A
I read all three of those books and I'm really excited.
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B
I finally got my dad to watch it and he's like, why have I not watched this yet? And I'm like, I tried years ago to get you to watch it. You didn't care.
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A
It's kind of better that he tuned in now because he had two full seasons to watch in a row.
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B
That's what I said. I'm like, well, you're. It's perfect timing because you can watch season three now in two weeks. Also, have you heard of paradise on Hulu?
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A
No, I don't get Hulu.
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B
That's a very, very similar storyline and plot like Silo. So if you are into Silo, I highly recommend watching paradise as well.
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A
Crazy. All right, moving on. We've got. Let's talk about the two videos that we just put out.
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B
Yes.
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A
That you wanted to hit on.
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B
So we just put out the full lineup video for the Canon VCM lenses. We compared them. It's called the ultimate Canon 1.4 prime RF lens lineup. Still debating if we need to change that for search or not. We do end it with which is best for you.
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A
Yeah, I don't know. It's. It's. How do you title a lineup video like that?
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B
It's hard to say. But as long as people can search like which Canon lens is the best or. Or what lens I should buy or something like that, and that pops up. That's the hope.
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A
That's the point. Right. But I don't know how important it is to put the 1 4. And maybe you just put the best Canon prime lenses, but there's so many more primes.
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B
We can't do that.
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A
But when they watch the video, they see that we're talking about the one point and there's other options that are there. You can't get everything perfect in the title.
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B
Sure. But I also don't want to mislead people as well. Overall, though, it's to help photographers better understand Canon's latest VCM lineup. Their full entire Lineup of the 1.4 RF primes help decide which is the best lens for you and the type of work you do. We break down the use case of each lens. What's different about each, the meaning of Hybrid lenses, how they all share the same housing, weight, design, for the most part at least. And along the way we show sample photos, sample footage taken with all the lenses. Except like the 50. You really haven't used that one. We used it in studio for a couple videos. But in terms of photography, we've really still stuck with like the 512 or your 28-70 F2.
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A
Well, that's why the 50 doesn't get used is because the 28-70 F2 exists. And so it's kind of rare that I pull out the 1 4, but I would put out, pull out the
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B
12 and you have the 4512 now as well. That's on the market. Obviously it's a cheaper lens, not as good quality wise. But for people looking at this lineup, that's probably a lens for them over the 50. If I had to guess which, you
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A
know, a lens like that at the price that is makes you sit there and it makes me want to smack people who talk about third party all the time with, with Canon they don't allow third party. It's like, sure, but here is a 45 1.2 for 600 bucks or whatever it is. I rather buy that than a, than a Chinese made something else from a, from another company and throw that on here.
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B
I mean, for the price, I'll allow it. But again, the chromatic aberration is absolutely abysmal in this lens. It is terrible. I just shot with it a month ago at my niece's first communion. And all of the 4512 images have some crazy green haloing and fringing around the highlight areas and around her that's separating the background. And it was very hard to remove in post. And I used most of the ones that I shot with the 85 1.4 VCM lens because it just optically was so much sharper and better.
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A
Well, yeah, those are going to be optically better.
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B
So just don't expect the best lens quality ever. But if you're looking for a replacement for the nifty 50, a cheaper alternative to something like the 51.4 VCM, that 45 is stellar for that price.
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A
For the price, of course, for the price. But you got to understand what you're getting. So it's just like people that expect the greatest of all time expect an 85:1.2 or a 50:1.2 or a 50-1.4. Well, that's not what it is.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, and the second video, and then
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B
we just put out the Longest user guide ever, that is for the A7R6. And it is just shy of two and a half hours long. And it took us what, about a day and a half to film that almost nonstop. It was a brutal film and edit, let's just say that. But it is a great video that breaks down everything from the outside of the camera. The button layout, the menu system, from photos, stills to video. And then we also showcase and walk you through, like the live view of what you see on the screen in photo mode, video mode playback, all the above. It's a really great video. If you're looking at a Sony camera and aren't familiar with using a Sony camera, especially the A7R6.
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A
Well, I'm personally appreciative of people that put out videos similar to what we do in different avenues. Like when I got the anti gravity A1 drone and I'm like, this user guide that Anti Gravity supplied us with is hard to understand how to do this right out of the box. I'm like, I don't know how to set this up. And then I went on YouTube, I typed in some information. This drone guy came up who's like, it's confusing how to do this. So I'm gonna walk you through step by step, how to do this. And he's like, do this, this, this and this. And I was like, this is awesome. And I left a comment. I was like, this helped me so much because in a 15 minute video that I'm watching at 2x speed, I can get the information and then I can skip ahead, get more information, skip ahead because I don't need some of the want stuff and then I'm ready to go.
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B
Well, it's funny that you say that because I'm actually reading some of the comments and the last two comments that were left on this video.
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You suck.
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B
Are very positive. And don't say that the first one says, this is the most awesome setup guide I've ever watched. I have, I have had the Sony A7R III, A7III, A1, A7R V, and now the six. So this guy is a veteran when it comes to using Sony cameras and he says, I learned so many truly helpful tips in this video. I am eternally grateful for your great video. And then the other guy says, no idea why, but I watched the whole thing even though I don't even own the camera. Super well explained. You are the best, Jared. Maybe someday I'll upgrade my Sony A7R2. That's interesting that Sony users are watching this Video, I would assume, like I don't need a setup guide for a Canon camera or, well, at this point, really any camera. But when I was just a Canon photographer, I really didn't need a setup guide because I used, I used Canon my whole life at that point. So I knew how to set it up in and out. So I am surprised that, you know, hardcore Sony users are watching this video.
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A
Well, I think it's very similar to why would someone watch Wristwatch Revival. Right. I watch that channel on occasion when they show up. It's a guy who takes Rolexes or random watches and walks through the entire process of taking it apart, what each thing is, putting it back together, fixing it. And there's also the guy who does the MREs, the meals ready to Eat video.
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B
Oh, Steve. His name's Steve, right? What?
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A
You know, he goes, he goes, okay, nice.
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B
Yeah, yeah, we watch all his videos and I don't know why, but I just get sucked into watching them.
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A
I like seeing him opening a 1946 K ration or whatever.
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B
Now you're also relating it to stuff that this is not like opening this stuff that doesn't exist anymore. Rations from 1940, which is very interesting.
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A
I don't know, maybe people find it interesting that they're going through a menu system and be like, oh, that's interesting. The camera does that.
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B
Yeah, I guess my thing is it's a two and a half hour long video. So it's hard to get people to even start watching it in the first place when they see the runtime.
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A
It's also not meant to be a video that you watch the entire thing. It's meant to be. You go to the table of contents, you find what you need and you jump around as you need it.
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B
Yeah, I did a full table of contents from every single menu item and I even listed the plugs in there too if you wanted to skip them. So I mean, it's all there. If you have limited time and you just need to look up certain sections in the menu, you can simply go to the table of contents and find that section.
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A
And I know a lot of people, not a lot of people, but there are creators that will create a guide and sell it. I mean, a two and a half hour guide. Do you know how much value there is in what we just put out for free?
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B
We certainly could sell this for sure. It takes a lot of time and effort to put something like this out and a lot of prep. Like what people don't see is the behind the scenes of me and you going through the entire menu system together before we hit record to make sure we're on the same page and saying the correct information. Even today, there's still stuff that confuse both of us or we're not familiar
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A
with and we flip it.
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Well, or we might have to look it up beforehand and just be like, okay, this is what it is, but we don't use this. Or you're never going to have to dive into this. Or, you know, this is what it's used for, but 99% of the time you're not going to use it. Blah, blah, blah. But that is the hard part these days, is these menus run so damn deep. And there's so many things that these cameras offer that it takes forever to film and edit these. And again, the runtime is just getting longer and longer. We've never really broke two hours until last year. And now everything is over two hours. Every user guide.
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A
It's a lot people don't know that we actually tape my foot to the floor. The way that I sit with my legs crossed. Like my leg cross my right leg over my left. We have to. The floors are slippery upstairs for some reason. And the way that I sit in the chair, my foot kept slipping. So then we were like, well, let's put gaff tape under your foot. So we put gaff tape under my foot and stick it to the floor the entire time that we make the video so that my foot stays in place and doesn't slip.
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B
Do you remember I used to also film these standing up and I would be standing up for like four hours straight trying to film. And now I thankfully have a very comfortable chair when I'm filming behind you, like the over the shoulder look at the camera. But yeah, these used to be really tough to film back in the day. And we now have a pretty good setup upstairs.
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A
Yeah, they're hard to make. We give it away for free. But from a business standpoint, we know that over the years that a lot of our new subscribers and people that find the channel come from these beginner educational videos. And when we get them in there and we use our own plugs in the video because it's two and a half hours. So we do our own commercials. Sign up for my email list.
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B
But that's like four minutes of commercials for a two and a half hour long video.
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I know, it's really not a lot. Yeah, but we do Squarespace, we do mentorships, we do Orange box, all of those things. So now we're debating if we go do the Nikon Z5 2, which we probably should just do because it's a basic beginner camera.
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B
Well, and thankfully the Nikon menus are a lot more simplified than something like the Sony menu. I think the Nikon menu is the best menu out there. It's so easy to go through. I love the quick toggle switches they have as well. It's really well organized, but that should take us much less time to run through, I think, as much as I'm dreading filming it. But I do think the Z5 II is a massive camera that will sell well. I mean, it's been out for over a year now. I think at this point we're pretty late.
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A
Companies should be paying us to make these things. And I said it for years, I said for years that Sony or Canon or Nikon should include our user guides in their, like a QR code in the box.
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B
The hard thing though is like firmware updates, right?
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A
Well, that's just one of those things. But I always said, one of the things I always said even when I worked at Ritz Camera was an educated consumer is less likely to return their camera. And so that if I take the time to show them properly how to set up their camera in person when they're at the store or give them some tips and tricks to get them going right off the rip, they're less likely to blame their camera for taking shitty footage photos because now they know how to use their camera and they're less likely to return it. So by offering free education, you are in essence saving your sales and not getting returns or having to give refunds because people know how to use their camera. I always said that if you educate people, give them the basics and the fundamentals of how to use their camera, they're less likely to return it. That's why they should be paying me money to make beginner guides and basic information for how to use their camera.
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B
When I think of like tutorials and stuff that are on the official channels of Nikon, Canon, Sony, whatever, they're always very like corporate videos that basically just read the manual verbatim almost. And they don't really break it down and explain it like you're, you know, like you're a 2 year old or something. Like they just tend to be very scripted and not very helpful. And I think we do a pretty good job of really, really breaking it
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down because we're not corporate shills, Stephen, yet. Well, it depends who's writing the biggest check.
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B
Exactly.
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A
It doesn't hurt. It doesn't get hurt to get paid to do those things. Now we're not getting paid to do that Sony video. We just, we just make it and try to make. We know we're going to do well in the long run. So anyway, speaking of doing well in the long run, did anybody see me in the background of the bowling championship the other day?
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B
My father in law did.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah, he's a big bowling fan from back in the day. And he just happened to turn the PBA on and saw you in the background.
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A
Yeah, they don't get happy very much so when I show up in the background. But.
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B
Well, Jared, you got to stand out.
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A
I got to stand out. You're still going to see me if I'm wearing black.
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B
Do they try to make you wear black, by the way?
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A
No, they gave up on that. They just tell me not to be on set or be seen in that. Like want to be seen. And I try, I try very hard to not be seen. I try to be in the places where the cameras aren't pointing, but there's like 15 cameras, so I can't always know where the camera is going on the tv. There was an unfortunate thing at the end of the event that put me really square on the TV when I was trying to be cognizant of going out there. So when E.J. tackett won the, you know, one, he gets up, he shakes hands with the other guy. I know that the center camera guy gets up and starts filming him and his celebration and when he grabs a trophy and all of that. So I want to stay behind him. Well, EJ goes and falls on his knees and goes down and crouches on the lane with his feet facing the crowd and his head down the lane. So the camera guy pulls and swings around him. And then I end like, you're right there, I'm right there. But what also happened is his. I saw that he looked to his right to see where his cable manager person was.
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B
Guide.
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A
Yeah, right. Because the cable manager, because he had to flip the cable over the chair because he had to move and improvise real fast because EJ changed where he was going to be and so he flipped it over. The persons whose job it is to work the cable didn't move at all. The cable ends up flipping up and getting stuck on his EJ's back. Oh, around his micro, his mic pack. So it got caught between the mic pack and his back as EJ's down, like crying on the ground. And so the guy mouths over to his person. They don't move. I'm right there. I step out, I grab the cable, and I give it a flick to pull it off of his back. And then I step out. And then I'm getting yelled at by the producer of the show on the lane, telling me to get off the lane, get like. And I talked to him after, and everything was fine. I was like, look, the cable got stuck on ej. The woman wasn't moving to do her job. The camera guy who walked around me a few seconds later was like, thank you. Said thank you to me. Because I saw what he was trying to do, and the person's job it was to do it was failing. And so when I talked to the producer guy, I was like, look, I know you don't want me on set in those situations. And I was behind. And unfortunately, he swung around, and then it got stuck and the other person wasn't moving. So I like. I did it because I wasn't just. Because if he gets up and then that pops off or it gets stuck and he does, like. I don't know. I just wanted to.
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B
Wrapped around his neck or something.
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A
Well, it didn't get wrecked, but I didn't want it to pop the microphone off and then him try to be talking, and then they don't have audio. So I just. I quickly stepped out, popped it off and stepped back. I took the yelling. It's fine.
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B
It's probably some sort of union issue, I'm sure, like, you're not insured by them or something like that. And God forbid something happened.
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A
It wasn't that. It was just being seen. It was being seen.
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B
The other part, you're not being seen. You're helping.
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A
I know, but I'm holding a camera. They don't want to, you know, I'm holding a camera. I'm not the cable person because the cable person failed to do their gig.
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B
Was that the secret camera you were using?
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A
Oh, yeah. The secret camera that's blazoned on TV go find was actually a C80. Because, as you know, I've been shooting. When I shoot video these days at bowling, I'm using the C80.
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B
I am so surprised that you're still using that.
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A
Well, I use the R1 when we do 120 because you lose the EVF. You. Sorry. You lose the screen ability to use the external display with the C80, which is still weird when you switch to one. I can't even switch that camera to 120, Steven. You have to remind me how to even do it. I tried and I'm like, I don't want to screw this up. And I put it right back into 24 and 60. I have to go into slow and quick, and then I have to change resolutions.
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B
Exactly. And there's no audio.
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A
And it was too complicated. Yeah, Too complicated.
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B
They need to mimic the menu of the EOS series at this point.
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A
Yeah, well, some people don't want that. I mean, whatever.
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B
Well, I'm not saying the entire. Revamp the entire menu, but at least that part. Like the fact that you have to then go into a dedicated slow and quick or slow and fast, whatever Canon calls it, it should just menu it. It should just be listed with all the frame rates, and you just pick your codec and frame rate and done. You don't have to go into a whole separate menu to change it.
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Exactly. But I've loved using the C80. As I've mentioned before, the fact that I think it's. It's a beautiful camera in terms of how you hold it. I put the handle on it. I put a screen on it. And I was wrong about EVFs needing to be on those types of cameras. EVFs 100% needed for shooting stills. But when it comes to cinema cameras, if you're building it out with a cage, which I don't have on it, or you are putting the screen on just makes it so easy to shoot. Oh, and when you go outside at a press of a button, I got 10 stops of ND. Oh, my God.
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B
Huge.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
Run and gun. It's huge.
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A
I don't have to worry about screwing on a freaking ND filter on the front of my lens and then missing stuff because I'm. It's. Maybe it's only two to five, and I really need six or seven stops because it's a bright day.
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B
That's the issue with all these variable nds is you either have that 2 to 5 or like a 6 to 9 or something. And there's a lot of times where you need that in between. They need like a 4 to 6 or 7. Because I find myself many times in that in between, like you're saying.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But the C80 in general, I still think that's very much like a sleeper camera. It's such a great camera. It's the C400 in a smaller body for the most part, for much less. It's a great camera. Really.
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A
Yeah. It's a $5500 camera.
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B
Yeah. If I was looking at a C50 or C80, I would take the C80 all day. Now granted the C50 is $1000 less or $1500 less, but the C80 just offers so much more with that sensor, especially the triple base ISO. That's huge. And low light.
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A
Do you know what's such bullshit?
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B
What?
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A
I go on ABES of Maine, they screwed me way back in the day.
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B
Oh geez, they're still around.
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A
Yeah, but like you go on their page, it's like 48.99 and it's like holiday special deal, $950 off. But if B and H doesn't have the same deal, I don't, I don't think it's real.
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B
Well, I always thought they had. What was it? Gray market products.
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A
Yeah, gray market products. So I'm trying to see. It says factory new fresh import model.
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B
Yeah, exactly.
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A
See, they are fucking scumbags. Continually fucking scumbags, even to this day, selling gray market shit. Oh my God. Now let me explain gray market shit real fast to you. There's nothing inherently wrong with gray market. It's the same camera that you get here. The only difference is it does not come with a US warranty. So if there is a warranty issue, you have an issue with your camera or your lens or whatever you buy, you then have to ship it back to wherever the warranty card is. So yes, you may have saved money by buying it, but when it needs to be fixed, you get screwed.
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B
And I think they're, they're able to go around the official MSRP just because it is a gray market product. So they can kind of list it whatever price they want. And it's always significantly cheaper because of that.
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A
In the past there's been some websites out there that people would email me like, oh, they have this for like $1200 less. And then you read it's like, doesn't come with the charger, doesn't come with the battery. So they were stripping it out and just giving you the body. Even though it's supposed to come with all the accessories, then they make you buy that stuff.
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B
I'm almost certain I bought a canon flash from Abes of Maine probably 20 years ago at this point. And it was significantly cheaper. I will say. And hey, it does work. It is an actual Canon Flash, but it's a gray market flash.
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A
Well, what I was going to say about that is there's certain items that there's no problem buying gray market because you're not going to send it back.
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B
Exactly.
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A
To be fixed. And if you can save money on certain things, then it totally makes sense. To do. So like a gray market battery is still the same battery and you're not going to do a warranty repair on the battery. So as long as it's an official Canon battery with the sticker, I wouldn't worry about it.
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B
Yeah. Never buy a lens or a body that's gray market.
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A
Yeah. Unless it, Unless you're at the used. Well, no, even if it's a used point, because you still have to send it out to get fixed. Potentially.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
I also got in the mail the other day from Canon two pelican cases. Yeah, two pelican cases with C4 hundreds, the C400 kit. Because I asked for them for something that ended up falling through, but Canon hooked me up in a matter of days. I was like, hey, would you be able to do this? This is what's the idea? And they're like, let me see what we can do. And they sent out two C4 hundreds with the PL mounts, the RF to PL adapter, so that if someone wanted to use PL mount lenses to do recording, they could. With all the batteries, with all the accessories, with the AC power adapter. Canon hooked it up. So unfortunately we're not going to get to use them. But I'm going to end up making a video about the C400 and the C80, just showing these cameras side by side. I just think that the C80 is such an incredible cinema camera. They have the same sensors, they do the same thing. One's more expensive and one's more on a higher end with more inputs.
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B
But yeah, the C400 is more streamlined for broadcasts and stuff like that. More SDI inputs, all that kind of stuff. But the C80 is such a great camera for, I think our hybrid type
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A
of shooting market for running and gunning. I am, I am absolutely loving it. So never, never thought I'd see that. But now that I'm a cinematographer, Steven, now that I shoot, you know, shoot shows as a. As an actual shooter of a show,
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B
now you just need to edit. No, that's what I want to see you do. No, sit down and edit a video.
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A
No, thank you. No, thank you.
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B
Instead of just putting a single clip in a timeline, cutting off the front end and the back end and exporting.
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A
That's what you did in 20, 10, 11 and 12 before you have to put something out. Yeah, well, because. Yes, but whatever. So one of the things I haven't done in like 11 years, and when you and I were talking about this yesterday is 11 years ago, I released the Think Tank version The retrospective. But the Froknows photo version, the stealth bag, done with. It was done with ballistic nylon. I released my own camera bag. But I love the Think Tank retrospective. And they were able to produce me 300 of them, and I sold them. I didn't realize it was 11 years ago. So I'm actually revisiting the idea of making a version two because they've updated the retrospective 30 to a version two or three, which now has like a water bottle compartment, a bunch of different upgrades, a zip compartment for the top so that you could actually zip it shut. So there's a bunch of different options that there are. So I'm entertaining this. The prices have gone up, but then now I realize it's like 11 years later. It's really not as bad.
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B
I cannot believe it's been 11 years. I'm looking actually at the promo video that we shot for that back in July of 2015. Wow. Yeah.
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A
I had no idea it was 10 years. 11 years. Yeah.
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B
I feel like that wasn't even that long ago. I was thinking like six years maybe. The bobbleheads, was that also like 11 years ago?
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A
That's probably longer now.
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B
Oh, man, we are old.
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A
Yeah. The reason I bring this up is, are you interested in this bag? Send us a text to the text line, which I'm bringing up right now. When I find the proper number, it's 313-710-9729. I'd be really curious how many people would be interested in picking it up. I'm probably going to do it, but I have to pre buy 300 of them, which is crazy. I did talk them into putting a new Pixel rocket in there. The new one with the. The zipper. That's custom. I shoot raw, so that's going to be cool. But, yeah, I got. I got to pre order 300 and it takes like six months.
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B
Would you still keep the overall black stealth kind of look of it?
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A
Yeah, I'm going to keep the same look. They've changed the bag slightly, so there's like these grommet holes in the front. I don't know what they're for. I don't even think they. I think they're just ornamental. But yeah, I want to use the ballistic nylon because I don't. I want to be different than what they currently sell. And it has the logo on the side. I shoot RAW Stealth on the front. It has Froknow's photo on the inside. And I believe it will come with that Pixel pocket rocket when I do do it.
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B
We still have like the red kind of outlining.
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A
I think I'll stick with the red. I'm not going to go with purple. I just think red's fine.
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B
It's funny because I also thought like purple and I'm like, I wouldn't go with that color choice, but what if he just did black? Just keep it all neutral.
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A
I'll take a look. I'll take a look. I'll see what we can do.
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B
I just know people are into like keeping it neutral and.
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A
Yeah, but it's on the inside of the bag, it's not on the outside. Yeah.
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B
Aesthetics, man. People care about that kind of stuff.
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A
I don't know. You want to care? I'm giving what I want to give and you don't want to fucking buy. I don't care what you think. I don't. That you think Steve Jobs cared about other people 100%. No, he didn't.
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B
Okay.
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A
He's like, oh, well, you. Would you have taken a floppy disk drive out? Would you have taken a CD drive out? When he took him out, he didn't care.
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B
We're talking about aesthetics here.
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A
That's aesthetics and functionality. He took functionality out and wasn't like. He's like, this is what you need. Leave me alone, bitch.
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B
Should just make a whole bag purple then.
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A
Fine, I'm gonna dip it in purple. We're gonna make it rainbow because it's June.
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B
Nice. Perfect.
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A
Which is a perfect segue into the sponsor for this week's ad. This week's video. This video is brought. This raw talk is brought to you by Subaru in the month of June. Save big for pride. Get a free flag for being a loyal customer. I didn't want to. I didn't want to finish that statement. Stephen, one of our readers sent us or listeners sent us a picture of them buying a Subaru. They're like, you know, you talked about Subaru so much that I went and bought one.
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B
Tony, man, my brother in law, he works for Subaru corporate.
- [31:41]
A
I know you're gonna buy a Subaru.
- [31:43]
B
I probably will eventually.
- [31:45]
A
But you like your Toyotas?
- [31:47]
B
I mean, my Toyota, I'm just gonna run it to the ground at this point. It's. It's a good 10 plus years old.
- [31:52]
A
I don't think I'm gonna buy a new car again, by the way. I think I'm just gonna lease cars in the future again.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Teach their own.
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A
But I don't drive it. Well, the problem is.
- [32:02]
B
Well, I like not having a car payment.
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A
I sure I don't have a car payment either because I paid it off when I bought it, but must be nice. It's different, but I understand what you mean. Like using a car for 10 years versus my car that lost $20,000 within four months because Elon dropped the price, you know, not too far after. But those. What's great about the prices of Tesla is dropping is how inexpensive you can get a used car. Imagine having a kid turn 17, 16, 17, getting their first car and you can buy a Model 3 that's a couple years old, that's super safe for like $16,000. Wow. You know, like super inexpensive because the prices have plummeted on those electric vehicles. But you know, they're not going to drive too far. They can just charge you at your house. Like the value is there for a, like you can get a Model S. That's a. Maybe it's 2014, it's a little older, but they're like 12 grand. 11 grand. It's, it's insane. The prices of just a couple year old Tesla.
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B
Do we know like the longevity of Teslas at this point? I mean.
- [33:04]
A
Oh, well, the batteries are rated for 120 plus thousand or 300,000 miles.
- [33:10]
B
Okay. So similar to like a normal standard engine. Even though these days I feel like you can easily go 200,000 miles, you'll
- [33:16]
A
get some degradation and some loss of battery over time, but it's maybe like 92% instead of 100%. Right. Like, you know, they're not, they're not, you're not losing that much anyway. I was just saying like it's probably better for me to lease because I want the latest and greatest and it doesn't make sense to take such a large hit on value because I'm not going to keep a car that long, I guess.
- [33:35]
B
Yeah, I mean, it just depends. Do you want a payment or not? You know, I prefer to not have a car payment at all.
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A
For sure. So let's get into the DJI and Insta360 suing each other thing. Last week we talked about Insta360 and DJI and the fact that Austin and I went to Toronto to use the DJI but they don't sell it in the United States and whatever. After we did the news story, it came out that DJI was suing Insta360 and then Insta360 decided to counter sue DJI.
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B
Yeah, take that.
- [34:08]
A
We're gonna sue you in the United States of America.
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B
I can't believe we're still talking about these new cameras and these companies for like a third or fourth week in a row. And I'm sure we'll be talking about them again. Because DJI, I think the Pocket 4 Pro is still not officially announced yet, right?
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A
No, still not announced.
- [34:25]
B
So we don't know full specs on that. Anyway, DJI is specifically citing violations of design and utility patents. And then insta360, like you said, countersued. I think they're suing for infringement on their 360 and gimbal patents. Something like that, DJI says in their lawsuit. In 2018, DJI introduced the original OSMO Pocket, the first truly pocketable integrated handheld gimbal camera. It has continued to innovate on this Design and in 2023 launched the Osmo Pocket 3, featuring an intuitive rotatable touchscreen for precise control. Insta360's new Luna line of gimbal cameras, including but not limited to the Luna Ultra supporting accessories and the Insta360 mobile application, blatantly copy DJI's patented inventions wholesale. From its silhouette to its feature set, the accused products mirror what DJI has spent the better half of a decade engineering and patenting for its innovative handheld gimbal camera systems. The visual similarity between the accused products and The DJI Osmo Pocket 3 design is striking. The accused products share the same general proportions, the same gimbal on handle architecture, and the same component arrangement as DJI's Osmo Pocket. And then they then go on to specifically point out like, the similarities in the ornamental design, the elongated handheld body, the neck connecting the body to the gimbal arm connection point, gimbal assembly and camera, and so on.
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A
Do you think Trojan sues Durex?
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B
It's like Canon suing Nikon or Kodak suing Canon and saying, hey, we designed and made the first camera and you can't copy us. Like you can't do that.
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A
You can't just lock down and stifle innovation.
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B
Exactly.
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A
If now if they are blatant, if, if they literally have a patent and they break it down and they go, you use the exact mechanism, their design, different story, that's different. It's like when Polaroid and Kodak. Polaroid sued Kodak for their instant film and they realized that they were using the same exact film, the same exact assembly, the chemicals, everything. They got sued and then it took like 14 years for them to get their billion dollars. I read the whole book. It's a really long book, really long and drawn out book. And it ended up by the Time the lawsuit ended in the 90s. Both companies were faltering and going out of business. It was insane.
- [36:43]
B
And then the, the four utility patents, they basically describe how the camera works and all of that, and that insta360 is copying them with that as well. And then here's what they want. DJI seeks a judgment of infringement, a permanent injunction and award of damages no less than a reasonable royalty, profit disgorgement, enhanced damages for willful infringement, attorneys fees and such other and further relief as the court deems just and proper.
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A
Good luck with that.
- [37:11]
B
D AI no less than a reasonable royalty. Interesting.
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A
Well, and then, and then, and then they got countersued back.
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B
They did. And then insta360 is like, hold my beer.
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A
Probably wrote the same thing. You copied our patents. You did this.
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B
They went after the 360 aspect and the gimbal aspect and pretty much said similar things. And it seemed like insta360 basically said like, we didn't want to sue back, but since you're suing us, then here you go, you're doing the same thing.
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A
Like I said in Photo News Fix, I believe that in my opinion, that DJI is just trying to hamper the ability for Insta360 to sell this camera in the United States. Because you can't buy the DJI Pocket 4P or Pocket 4 in the United States right now. And they feel like if they hamper that or hinder it for a certain amount of time, maybe they can buy enough time to get the Trump administration to allow them to sell their gimbal camera here in the United States.
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B
States 100%. I mean, it sounds like a petty lawsuit to me. Envious of Insta360 being able to sell their product in the US and the irony is that they actually filed this lawsuit in the US in Texas.
- [38:20]
A
Texas is a shitty state when it comes to protecting people. They don't protect the little guy. They, they, they're very business friendly.
- [38:28]
B
Which makes sense why they.
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A
That's why Elon Musk moved his companies and corporations there from Delaware because he, you know, wasn't liking how the Delaware courts were acting. But the Texas courts were much more friendly.
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B
And also DJI waited until Insta360 officially launched the Luna Ultra. I think when B and H listed it for sale. And then the next day insta360 actually said, okay, okay, here it is. Since it's already out in the world, I think B and H jumped the gun on that, by the way. So, yeah, it's Officially announced and they filed that lawsuit the following day. And don't get me wrong, like, it's clearly a total like, copycat with some adjustments here and there, but that doesn't mean they can't make it.
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A
So what's this dual lens camera I'm looking at on the, the, the news wires right now?
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B
So are you talking about the extra camera?
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A
Yeah, the extra camera.
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B
So there is a brand called Extra, not with an E, but Xtra. Let's just say either it's DJI in disguise or there's some sort of like, lucrative licensing agreement to slap their name on DJI's products and resell them. In my opinion, it's most likely like DJI in disguise to get around the US regulations with the brand. But basically they have their own version of a Pocket three that they sell called the Muse. And now they are teasing two new pocket gimbals, the Muse 2 and the Muse 2 Pro. Sound familiar? And it also looks very Familiar to the DJI Pocket 4 and the Pocket 4 Pro. One single lens and one dual lens camera gimbal system. Almost exactly the same again as the DJI new cameras. And on top of that, they just announced the Muse 2 Pro specs, or at least tease them. And they sound very similar to the DJI Pocket 4 Pro, at least what we know so far. 17 stops of dynamic range. Sound familiar? 10 bit log footage, 103 gigs of internal storage. And again, there's two models, a Muse 2 and a Muse 2 Pro, just like DJI has out. And the question is, why aren't they suing Extra. If they're suing insta360, they should be suing this company as well. Granted, they don't have the same clout as insta360, but still, they are making the exact same product. This is literally the exact same product. Which again leads me to believe that this is really just DJI getting around the US regulations and selling the Pocket 4 Pro under another brand in the US.
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A
Yeah, well, it's, you know, you sue everybody or you sue nobody unless it's their own brand, like you said.
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B
But. So this is how you get a Pocket 4 Pro in the US. You buy an extra the Muse Pro 2, which is not officially out just yet, but it looks like it'll be another week or two until they officially announce that.
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A
Crazy.
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B
And we'll see what happens with this lawsuit. I assume, I don't know, I assume they're both just going to be like, all right, let's, let's call it you know, we're good. What do you think is going to happen?
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A
I don't think anything is going to happen. I think it's just lip service.
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B
Exactly. And the question is, like, you know, is DJI slowly starting to become GoPro, where they innovate, become the king of that invention, and then you have everybody copy you at that point, and then you go bankrupt. Who knows? Yeah, we'll see where that goes.
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A
All right, moving on. Boot Camp, quick Update. Bitly slash, July 18 fro. There's roughly seven spots available for the next Boot Camp, which is July 18 here in Philly on a Saturday. If you're interested in coming. It's a good time to get to Philly because it's after the World cup leaves and it's after the July 4th celebrations.
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B
How crazy, by the way, do you think the World cup is going to be tomorrow?
- [41:59]
A
Why, what's tomorrow?
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B
It's in Philly tomorrow.
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A
Again, it's not going to be crazy. Who's playing tomorrow?
- [42:05]
B
I don't know. My question is, I have a concert tomorrow night and I'm like, is it going to be nuts getting there?
- [42:10]
A
No. Where's your concert?
- [42:11]
B
At the Man Center. It's not anywhere near the stadium, but I still have to go around that area to get to it.
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A
Stephen, this is the same shit that always happens in Philly when something big comes, like the Pope, Everybody's like, we're gonna get rich. We're gonna rent our house out and everybody's gonna want to come. When the Pope came, only 400,000 people came, not millions. And there were plenty of hotel rooms. A friend of mine who just came into Philly to visit some friends mentioned that he talked to his friends that work at hotels. They're like, yeah, we got a shit ton of unbooked hotels rooms for this because they scare everybody away. And then you realize they over worried about traffic and all this stuff. Yeah. Is the city busy? Sure. Downtown there's a lot of people that go to the art museum. They go to the stairs and they run and they do the touristy stuff. But then they go to the stadium, they take public transit, and that's it.
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B
The only reason I know about tomorrow's game is because on the way home yesterday, it took me an hour and a half to get home and 95 was a completely backed up. And I assume there was a game going on last night because of the traffic. But if it's that backed up on Thursday afternoon or Wednesday afternoon, whatever it was, then how bad will it be during the game, I don't know.
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A
Yeah, it's a Brazil. It's Brazil versus Haiti. A lot of people are Brazil fans. They're going to come out.
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B
Yeah. Hopefully traffic isn't bad. We'll see.
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A
What's crazy is they're also because we went to fly, we were going to test out the. The anti gravity A1 the other day, Austin and I at the art museum and before we left I googled restrictions on flying the drone and it's like, okay, drones are banned around the stadium. Which totally makes sense throughout on this day, this day and this day. And then it also said there's a 1 mile radius ban on drones around any FIFA meetup or whatever. And that was from like June 1st until July something. So it's a blanket one. And the art museum fell roughly a mile away from that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But then we drove down there because it's Lemon Hill is the area and the parking where I normally park was closed off and then you could see tents and the fan fest stuff was all gonna be right there. I'm like, Austin, I'm not risk. I'm not flying this. We could, we could park over there like by the skate park and just fly it. But I don't think we should. It says not to, so let's not.
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B
It's a shame because usually the art museum is one of the only nice spots in the city that you can actually legally fly at because it's right past that like five mile restriction from the airport.
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A
Yeah, I went and flew it down by the Delaware River. Penn Treaty park is a park that I originally remember. We used to fly drones there when the drone sucked and it was very windy by the water. And then they used to blow away and then I'd get scared and then I'd be like, I'm bringing this thing back down. And you couldn't see any because you're using a screen. It was so hard to see. Oh my God.
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B
Oh, man.
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A
Yeah. But now it's super easy. We'll have a video coming out on that anti gravity soon. Couple of rumor things we've got here. We've got Canon rumors is saying that it's basically official that a 24 to 70 F2 is real and it's just a matter of time before it comes out. They're calling it, you know, like a halo lens. I call it a fuck you lens. A lens that is like, look what we can do. When they came out with the 28 to 70, which is now 7 years
- [45:31]
B
old, 2019, I think it came out, right?
- [45:35]
A
Yeah, you're like 7 years old on that 28 to 70, which still holds up today in my hands. The only thing wrong with it is that Sony's is 33% lighter. But if they do come out with a 24 to 70 F2, whether it's a VCM or whatever motors they end up using, that makes that Sony one look bad now too, because this is a 24 to 70. It took Sony six years to come out with a lens to compete and now they would have something that's wider and in my opinion, going to be more versatile. Even if it's the same weight, which I expect it to be lighter, it's definitely going to be a $3,500 lens. But shit, give me a 24 to 70 f2 over a 28 to 70.
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B
Oh, oh, I agree that 4 millimeters is huge. Also, keep in mind Sony has the 50 to 150 though. Well, Canon does not have that though.
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A
The other part of the rumor is that that Canon will have a world's first, another world's first, but it can't be a 50 to 150 because it wouldn't be the world's first. So what could it be? Are they going to go with an 11 to say 20 millimeter 2 or 2 4.2.8 or something? But if they did, then again I think that they would rely heavily on lens correction like they do in the 10 to 20.
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B
I was just telling you the other day that I shot a lot of stuff with the 3514 VCM and I load them into Lightroom and I'm like, why does this look terrible? I thought my exposure was completely off and it happened to be because the lens correction was enabled. And Lightroom's version of their lens correction for the Canon VCM lineup is terrible. Like it made everything look washed out. Almost a stopover exposed. Turning that off. I still like the distortion correction for the most part. But turning off the vignetting, the. What do they call it, Peripheral illumination, I think. But when that's enabled, it just makes it look terrible. And when I disabled that, edited it as normal. It looks great. It's night and day to what you see when you actually load it into Lightroom versus the final product.
- [47:31]
A
We've brought this up to Canon before and their answer is, well, that's an Adobe thing. And I would be like, well, don't you think you should maybe work with them? It's a big deal because when I load the photo in and it looks overly Bright in the edges and overexposed. And then I click that button and do exactly what you did and the exposure comes back and I'm like, that's how it should look.
- [47:50]
B
So I just Hope that this 24-70F2 is not heavily relying on lens correction, especially on the wide end like most of the VCM lineup. I mean smaller and lighter and significant weight savings that they're saying. I'm assuming it will rely, especially what Canon's been releasing lately. Everything relies heavily on lens correction. Also, it being a VCM lens, why not use like the dual nano USM motors or something like that? Because I'm pretty sure the nano USM motor is still their fastest, most precise motor.
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A
Can it move hunks of glass though? Is always the question.
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B
Yeah, a lot of their high end lenses have nano USM motors.
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A
Oh, not vcm.
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B
Not vcm.
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A
Got it.
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B
Yeah. And this will most likely be non stabilized, which isn't a huge deal, but it is a big deal, I think when it comes to cinema shooters that have a non ibis body.
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A
Well, I'm a cinema shooter, Steven, and it's not a big deal. Well, it is a big deal if you don't have stabilization of any kind of. Exactly right.
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B
How often do you use a 28 to 70 F2 on your C80?
- [48:47]
A
Never, because I have a 24 to 105. The greatest lens ever for running and gunning.
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B
And that has stabilization built in.
- [48:53]
A
Exactly, exactly. You don't need the F2 for that.
- [48:56]
B
Yeah, I still think that is the gold standard for the most part. That 24 to 105, 28 L is, is such an incredible lens. It's expensive, don't get me wrong. But I love that. And I love that it shares the same housing as the 70 to 200, the new 7200 and pretty much swap
- [49:12]
A
them that I need to take both of them on the road and now take up more space in my bag. Because it's not like the other 7200 but it's the original 7200 is the twisty turn that gets really small. Except for the fact that it's a real big pain in the ass to zoom with the. You know how far you have to twist it.
- [49:31]
B
For photography, I think it's fine, the twisting and turning type. But if you're doing video and trying to have a stable shot and zoom in while you're filming, it's nearly impossible to have a decent shot. So obviously the new hybrid line of lenses with that new 7200 is much better with the.
- [49:45]
A
Yeah, we'll have. We'll have to see what happens. It's. They're talking about August, September, potentially, for this new lens. That would be fantastic.
- [49:52]
B
Which I think is right around the time the 28 to 70 originally came out. Right around August or September of 2019.
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A
It was when they announced the EOS R. It was part of the original announcement.
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B
Or was that, was that 2018?
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A
Was that February or November?
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B
Yeah, it was September. I'm looking it up right now. And it was actually 2018.
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A
That's. That's eight years, Steven.
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B
Oh, eight years.
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A
I'm doing math on my fingers. 18, 29. I'm sorry. 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26. Yeah, it's almost eight years.
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B
Almost eight years.
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A
Not even seven years.
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B
Okay.
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A
That's a long time. You know what? I can't wait till. Fun. A photographer gets 50 of these lenses in. I'm like, holy shit. I get 50 of these to give away. Can you imagine that?
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B
That'll be a heavy delivery for sure.
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A
It's coming, man. It's coming. And. And there's also rumors of an R8 Mark 2.
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B
Yeah, retro. We'll see.
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A
It's not going to be retro.
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B
That's what they're saying.
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A
Retro. Fuck what they're saying. Okay, I will shave my beard if it's retro. Okay, Manny Ortiz, I don't give a shit. I might shave it anyway tomorrow.
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B
You should shave.
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A
Thanks, asshole.
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B
Your fro is now becoming the beard. It's, it's, it's all in one now.
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A
I mean, it's nice and thick. It's nice.
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B
I've never seen you grow your beard out this much.
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A
It's never grown out this much before.
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B
Thick and lush.
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A
It is. Thick and nice. It's not even terrible. There's not too much in the, in the gray world. It's not terrible, No.
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B
I mean, it could use a nice
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A
little trim, but I'm not doing a trim. It's gonna get buzzed the fuck off completely. So anyway, those are the rumors for the Canon front, but there was also a Sigma rumor of an ultra wide angle zoom lens that ends at 20 millimeters. What do you think it is like a 12 to 20, a 10 to 20?
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B
Well, my question is, I'm looking at your favorite website, Sony Alpha Rumors that posted this. Is this an actual leaked image or is this just like a filler image that he put up?
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A
Usually when he puts a. That big SAR logo on front of it, I think it's a leaked image that he wants to show that he's important and their logo is on it. So if anybody else uses it.
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B
Well, I'm asking that because this looks like a Tamron lens. These switches look identical to a Tamron switch. Like the AF switch, whatever that other switch is. The zoom rings look like a Tamron lens. This does not look like a Sigma lens. Sigma has completely different switches. Unless they're changing it up for this specific lens. I don't know.
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A
Update. I corrected this rumor. This is likely to be a lens not made by Sigma.
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B
Oh, there you go.
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A
Good call, Steven.
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B
Did he just post that?
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A
It's, it's, it's on the website now.
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B
There you go. Okay, that makes sense.
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A
Yeah. Losers.
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B
It's probably a Tamron lens though.
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A
Wow. What could Tamron be making that's a wide angle, ultra wide angle fast lens?
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B
Well one, we know that Tamron does not do primes. They always do zooms and they're always budget friendly. So I assume it's going to be like a 14 to 20 or something like that. And probably like an F4. Well, so on the lens, 67 millimeter type lens, like they always see 20,
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A
you see 18, you see 16, which means you see 14 is probably before 16.
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B
Well, and you can see the marking next to the 16. 2. It still keeps going. So it's at least a 14 to 20.
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A
Or maybe they'll be like 12. Or maybe they're doing a 10 to 20. I mean Canon has a 10 to 20. Maybe it's an F4.
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B
The only reason I don't think they are is just because again, it's Tamron. And based on their past, they've always stuck with budget friendly and cheaper type lenses. Now if this was Sigma, I would say all day for sure they're making that.
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A
It could be a 10 to 20.
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B
F4.
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A
Could be, or variable. Maybe they'll be like it's a, it's a 28 to 4 and it's a 2, 8 at like the widest and then within a second it's something else. True.
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B
Yeah, we could see that. I don't know. We'll see. Because Tamron, like I said, they usually stick to the budget friendly stuff. This maybe this is different. I wish they kind of had two lines, kind of like Sigma where they have contemporary and art. So, you know, something for budget friendly people and something for people that have money and want the best of the best. But Tamron really sticks to that niche audience of just beginner.
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A
Now speaking of Tamron this is something that I never knew. Maybe I did know, but just didn't realize it or remember it is that Sony owns a 15.35% stake in Tamron.
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B
I had no idea.
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A
Yeah, I had no idea that they owned that much or that they owned any of Tamron.
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B
Do they own any of Sigma?
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A
I don't know if they own any of Sigma. I doubt it.
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B
I'm curious if that's why they allowed for, you know, the email to be opened.
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A
Well, I bring this up because there was reports or news that a company called Fazemo or something now has a 17.38% stake in Tamron, which is up from like 10%. So they now own a larger stake. But it kind of makes sense that Sony invested in Tamron and then opened up their E mount to allow them to put Tamron lenses out. But they also did Sigma. But they're like, we'll make money here. We'll make money if we sell Sony lenses. And it also makes sense why they're not part of the L mount alliance.
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B
And it makes sense why they stick to those budget friendly lenses because Sony kind of, you know, stopped making those types of lenses. I feel like they really focus on G master expensive lenses these days.
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A
So if you didn't know, now you know that Sony owns a part of Tamron. I don't know if the changes of someone else having a larger stake. The articles are all written like, well, now that this company has a majority stake, how is 17% a majority stake? They're talking about they have a majority stake. So maybe they'll be able to push Tamron to do xyz. And this is a money grab. It's like, well, I guess if it's a major, but I guess it depends on if they're the largest shareholder and hold the most the most stock, then they could make waves or something. I don't know. I don't know enough about the inner workings of the ownership of Tamron. But maybe I'll ask them one day. I'll be like, hello, what are the inner workings? Who is emphysemo? Do you care?
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B
Tell me all your secrets.
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A
Yeah, what do you, what do you know?
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B
What is this rumored 20 millimeter lens?
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A
Yeah, what is it? So anyway, that brings us to the end of 201 raw talk. Yeah, lots of stuff to talk about as usual. I do want to thank everybody who picked up a T shirt. I think it's nice to share that the sale did over 777 shirts and
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B
you shipped every one of Them, I
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A
shipped every one of them, including a few wrong, but not a bad percentage of mess ups that I know of. So a big thank you to everybody who took part in the anniversary sale. Thank you guys very much for doing that. I obviously don't make a shit ton of profit on selling those shirts because I sold them at $16 a piece. But I am going to be redoing the store, going to be working on new designs and some drops because I'm taking the store back over or already did take it back over and take it back doing the fulfillment because it is far more profitable to do it yourself. And with the efficiencies that we have with Shopify these days, the label printing, the fact that everything's bagged and tagged already, it just makes it so much easier to do the shipping if I'm here, you know, as long as I'm here. But I am going to. I do have a friend who's local who I'm going to train on manage. Not managing, but coming in and getting paid hourly to do some stuff because he lives around the corner and he's looking for something.
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B
Yeah, that's the only hard part. If you kept doing it yourself, it's. It's rare when you're there all week,
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A
you know, but I think it's more. I think I'm focused more on doing drops. Which means it will be just like you did. Like Peter McKinnon. Yeah, well, like Peter McKinnon does a drop for his coins and whatever and then the sale is over and they literally ship everything out.
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B
So you're going to make like a. Like a $200 shirt and sell it?
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A
No, I'm going to make a. Yeah, $200 shirt coin and all of that stuff. But no, I'm actually working on a charity shirt for one of our people in Kenya, one of our drivers who does not have fresh water in their home or in their community and have to walk like four miles to get water. I have a shirt that we're putting together where all the profits from that will go to this person to get them clean running water in their community. So it's not going to just help his family directly. Not just his family, but his entire community, because it's going to put water in their reach and they don't have to go miles upon miles to get clean water.
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B
Yeah, we'll talk more about that in the coming weeks when that video is live and that fundraiser, I guess, is live.
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A
Yep. And I'm going to be doing all the printing of that and shipping of that myself so that we can maximize the amount of charity that we can give to this person.
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B
Awesome.
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A
So that's it, guys. Thank you very much for listening. Jared Poland, fro nose photo dot com. See ya.
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B
Bye.