MMA Guru | Ep. 181

Summary

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FULL SEND PODCAST - MMA Guru | Ep. 181

January 15, 2026

Episode Overview

In episode 181, the Full Send Podcast is joined by MMA Guru, a British MMA commentator and popular YouTube personality known for his blunt, often polarizing opinions and comedic takes on the MMA world. The episode offers a candid discussion about MMA Guru's rise, his philosophies on fighter criticism, the evolving landscape of UFC promotion, and internet personalities in both sports and streaming culture. The podcast blends humor, behind-the-scenes commentary, and fan perspectives on the fight game.

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Main Discussion Topics

1. MMA Guru's Background and Persona

• First time in the US: Guru shares the rare story of leaving the UK, his motivations, and why he generally avoids travel.
• On being an 'expert': Despite never attending a live UFC event, Guru defends his knowledge and online presence.
• Physical Appearance: Discussion of public perceptions vs reality—losing weight, being “chubby-faced”, and online trolling.
  • “That's okay. I got a chubby face, but I was. I was like £300 though, to be fair.” – MMA Guru (03:02)

2. Online MMA Critique & Fighter Reactions

• Critical Style: Guru claims to have changed the culture by being openly critical and even harsh towards fighters.
  • “Before I came along in MMA media, everyone was too scared to, like, be critical with the fighters. And I kind of started saying, this guy's trash.” – MMA Guru (04:13)
• Interactions with Fighters: He describes both real and online run-ins, including confrontational DMs and live interactions.
• Events on Stream: Recent encounter wrestling with Arman, manager warnings, and challenge for a monetary takedown.

3. Fandom and Fan Culture

• Dagestani Fans: Guru explains the intense nature of Dagestani MMA fans, online hate, mutual trash talk, and playful “inbred” exchanges.
  • “They're in my live chat...trashing me, trashing me. So by the end of the stream, I'm like, Giving them the final word of just like, what kind of do.” – MMA Guru (05:21)
• Fan Evolution: Nostalgia about early Nelk pranks vs modern virality and the difference in internet culture.

4. MMA Career and YouTube Path

• Origins: Starting YouTube in 2018, slow growth via fighter interactions, and monetization via super chats and donations.
• Blow-Up Moments: Landing in high-profile online beefs, fighters responding, and the UK style of witty online banter.
  • “Fighters would go after me and I'd have all the time in the world while they're busy...Within eight hours, I've conjured up a storm online and then they're just— their phones blowing up.” (33:52–34:11)

5. Critiques of UFC Promotion and Dana White

• Praise & Critique: While acknowledging Dana White’s transformative impact, Guru argues the UFC could be even bigger with more effort, higher production, and new promotional approaches.
  • “Dana's supposed to be doing the promotion for this, and he's out here on the back tables with Steiner. That's the fact.” – MMA Guru (10:59)
• Modern vs. Old-School Promotion: Missing face-to-face trash talk segments and calling for dynamic pre-fight content.
  • “They need to bring that back. But it feels like, you know, when they get to a certain level of business, they can just sort of downgrade.” – MMA Guru (12:25)

6. MMA's Current Stars and Marketability

• Best and Worst Self-Promotion: Praise for Islam Makhachev, saying he goes out of his way to do interviews and engage fans. Lack of a true modern successor to McGregor’s level of promotional skill.
  • “He [Islam] promotes himself quite well. He's always doing interviews. Funny moments. Always doing some kind of collaboration with people like Aiden.” – MMA Guru (14:48)
• Memorable Trash Talk: Recalling the wildest and most heated moments in recent press conferences, e.g., O'Malley, Pimblett, Colby Covington.

7. Fight Picks and “Dream” Matchups

• Big Fights UFC Needs to Make: Makachev vs Topuria, Alex Pereira moving up, McGregor’s next appearance, and which fights deserve marquee billing.
• White House Card Predictions: Speculation on seven-title fight claims, the politics behind American vs. International headliners, and the real drawing power of McGregor.
• Controversial Outcomes: Guru’s take on notorious bad judging decisions (e.g., Reyes vs. Jones).
  • “Reyes beat Jones. Three, two. That was a crazy man.” – MMA Guru (35:01)

8. Internet and Streaming Culture

• Rise of Live Streamers: Contrast between long-form streaming vs. old-school YouTube production, “clipping culture”, and the blurred lines between reality and content.
  • “Clipping culture has just completely changed the game.” – Kyle (49:53)
• Risks and Reality: Streaming beefs, live altercations, doxxing concerns, and the volatile world of influencer events.
• Bone-Smasher Fads: Highlighting Clav's extreme self-improvement antics for content.
  • “What does that mean? —Smashes his bones to get his jawline better.” – Kyle and Salim (51:44)

9. Press Conferences & MMA's Entertainment Value

• Decline of Trash Talk: Guru laments the loss of classic press conference chaos, citing the McGregor-Aldo era as the high-water mark.
  • “They used to like get up and fight each other, throw hands.” – MMA Guru (63:16)
• Comparisons to Stick-and-Ball Sports: Unique risks and freedoms allowed to UFC fighters under Dana White, juxtaposed with PR-polished leagues like the NFL and NBA.

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Notable Quotes / Memorable Moments

• On Fighter Critique:
  "Before I came along in MMA media, everyone was too scared to, like, be critical with the fighters. And I kind of started saying, this guy's trash."
  — MMA Guru (04:13)

• On Dana White’s Promotion:
  "Dana's supposed to be doing the promotion for this, and he's out here on the back tables with Steiner. That's the fact."
  — MMA Guru (10:59)

• On Self-Awareness:
  "I don't think I'm like, in any way relevant, but I'm on, like, why the. Am I on full send? I have, like, 3K viewers on, like, a regular live day."
  — MMA Guru (55:12)

• On Old School vs. New School Content:
  "Now you can just go stream daily and go get that same virality for you. So you almost don't need to put in that crazy travel effort, collab effort anymore to get that same kind of notoriety."
  — Kyle (50:05)

• On Early UFC Pressers:
  "GSP told us... He's like, Conor won that fight when he won the press conference."
  — Kyle (63:21)

• On the Risks of Streaming:
  "Live streaming is just like. Makes you immune to the law more in some of these cases... you're in GTA just going out looking for an altercation."
  — MMA Guru & Salim (53:44–53:54)

• On Fat Jokes & Nina Drama Beef:
  "As a fat person, I think that's like, my word. So it's like our culture. So no one's going to tell me who I can and can't call fat. It's like the N word, Salem, you know what I mean?"
  — MMA Guru (56:06)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• [02:14] Guru’s intro, living in the UK, reason for visiting the US.
• [03:13] Weight loss, body image, and grappling stories.
• [04:13] How Guru changed MMA media culture.
• [05:21] Insults from Dagestani fans and streamer banter.
• [10:59] Dana White’s performance as a promoter.
• [14:48] Which fighters are best/worst at self-promotion.
• [22:51] White House card predictions and Trump rumors.
• [33:35] Guru’s rise through online drama and fighter interactions.
• [35:01] Most controversial MMA decisions.
• [39:15] White House card fantasy booking.
• [49:53] “Clipping culture” and the impact on new streamers.
• [51:44] Bone-smashing and extreme self-improvement in streaming.
• [63:16] The loss of great old-school press conference chaos.

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Tone and Dynamic

The episode's tone is irreverent, brash, and self-aware, with Guru’s British wit playing off the Nelk boys' laid-back banter. The group openly mocks themselves, MMA fans, and internet personalities, keeping the humor sharp but insightful—particularly about the intersection of online fame and the fight game.

Guru’s willingness to lampoon both fighters and himself, as well as his openness about internet culture, gives the conversation an edge that’s both comedic and surprisingly honest, especially when discussing the limits of trash talk, internet fame, and the future of combat sports entertainment.

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Conclusion

Episode 181 offers a frank look into MMA critique as content and the shifting sands of fight promotion, celebrity, and internet virality. Guru’s takes on Dana White, fighter marketability, “hardcore” vs. casual fandom, and the wild world of streaming provide a lens into how the MMA audience—and media—are evolving in 2026.

Fans and casual listeners alike will appreciate both the combat insight and the comedic, unfiltered breakdown of everything from UFC business strategy to YouTube beefs and the insanity of modern streaming culture.

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Transcript

[Kyle]

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[Salim]

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[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it is. People know it. I mean, you can. I don't know if you want to put this in there.

[Kyle]

Where do you live?

[MMA Guru]

At docks. Me enough in the uk. I used to live in London, but I moved out.

[Kyle]

What are you here for?

[MMA Guru]

I'm here to go fishing with Bryce. That was the main thing, coming in to go fishing with Bryce. But then Moicano messaged me. I was supposed to do something with Moana in Florida, so I thought I'd come out here. And then what's it called? Aiden Ross messages me.

[Kyle]

Yeah, how was that?

[MMA Guru]

I gotta come to Miami to go chill out of Adam Ross. And then you guys messaged me as well. Salim been watching.

[Salim]

I've been thinking about doing you for a while. But we know that you're never. You don't come to the States often, right?

[MMA Guru]

This is my first time in the States, but I don't leave the house often.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

So I don't know if I'll be in the States.

[Salim]

How was the Aiden Stream last night? You got into it with Armand?

[MMA Guru]

You know, it's just. I was trying to take easy on him, but he's just going crazy on me. It is what it is.

[Salim]

You know, you're in a lot better shape than I thought you would be. From your videos. No disrespect.

[MMA Guru]

That's okay. I got a chubby face, but I was.

[Salim]

You look like you're like.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I was like £300 though, to be fair.

[Salim]

Really?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

And what do you weigh now?

[MMA Guru]

About 250.

[Salim]

That's dope.

[MMA Guru]

Didn't stop arming, slamming me on my head.

[Kyle]

Did Arman slam you? I didn't even see it.

[MMA Guru]

He didn't slam me, but I went for takedowns. And he just. He hit me in. It's called Snap Down City, basically. Salim might understand these references.

[Kyle]

How hard did he go on you?

[MMA Guru]

He seemed like he was playing with me.

[Steiny]

Was saying his grip strength was.

[Kyle]

Well, see, here's the thing that I learned is that those fighters, when you like, you talk your or whatever. So they have an opportunity to actually see you in the ring. They might. You up?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, bro. His manager took me aside early on when we left Aiden's fake little room. Set up that he has. His manager put his hand on my shoulder and said, you keep poking the bear. You need to stop poking the bear with these guys or you're going to get in trouble. So I was thinking, armen's going to get me in the ring and he's going to dunk me on my head. But then they had, like, a challenge of, like, if you get a takedown on, Armand will give you 20k or something. I'm not gonna pass up on.

[Steiny]

That's fighters. Has fighters ever, like. I mean, you've definitely gotten hit up.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Have they ever, like, yo, when I see you, like, it's. It's over for you. And, like, has there ever been fighters? I said that.

[Kyle]

I feel like fighters don't, like, they've. They've learned to not take from, like, fans or, like, experts on the Internet.

[MMA Guru]

But I feel like I kind of changed the culture before I came along in MMA media, everyone was too scared to, like, be critical with the fighters. And I kind of started saying, this guy's trash. And then once I got a taste of that life of, like, calling him trash, I think I kind of just fell in love with that game of insulting the fires.

[Salim]

Have you been to a fight?

[MMA Guru]

I've not been to a UFC fight, no. Never been to a UFC fight.

[Kyle]

I have a problem with that, bro. How are you going to be an expert and not even attend a fight ever?

[MMA Guru]

Because it's better view from my TV screen, man. And I get to make the money off of it. I'm spending money on tickets.

[Kyle]

You don't want to, like, witness it live and see what the atmosphere.

[MMA Guru]

One day I will. Yeah. But I'm in hustle mode right now. I'm trying to make my money, not.

[Kyle]

I respect that. Watch it, fighter. Do you think you've gone out the hardest? Historically?

[MMA Guru]

Dagestanis for sure, because they win often. Now, if Jon Jones is more active, I think I would have gone after Jon Jones.

[Salim]

So why are you such a MMA guru fan?

[MMA Guru]

Okay, so.

[Steiny]

So your videos popped up a bun.

[Salim]

Oh, I mean, because you cry every time. Islam.

[Kyle]

No.

[MMA Guru]

Okay.

[Steiny]

Dagestanis, I. I like. I like their fighting style. I like Islam, Makachev, Khabib, those guys. But your video stumbled upon on my YouTube feed because I watch MMA all the time. So you do go at a lot of fighters, and the Dagestanis got to be the one.

[MMA Guru]

It's their f. To be fair, their fans are crazy, bro. They're in my live chat because I do fight companions sometimes. It's got, like, 30, 40K viewers these days, and their fans are just active in my chat, trashing me, trashing me. So by the end of the stream, I'm like, Giving them the final word of just like, what kind of do.

[Kyle]

They say to you?

[MMA Guru]

Fat doesn't know. Shut your mouth. Fat Western soy boy, your country's doomed. All of this type of stuff, they go crazy. These guys, these Pakistani guys go crazy with the talk. Like, they get intricate into, like, the downfall of Western civilization when they're insulting me. So I like to get. I call him inbred. It's like 50, 50, in my opinion. It's kind of fair. This is crazy. I'm looking at, like, Steiny from the Note Boys here. You're like the new star of the show, right?

[Salim]

Pretty much, I guess.

[Kyle]

Thank you, bro. I appreciate that.

[MMA Guru]

That's okay. That's okay. What's up, guys? 905? Sure, over. How are you back?

[Salim]

Well, have you been watching for a while?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I've been watching it. I was watching when you guys were spoiling movie spoilers outside the theater when you did the original Nelk will never be topped. I don't know. You can never top the origins. No, it's the same with me. Everyone asked me to go back to the old. The more humble that. The origins of things. But I remember watching you when you guys were doing just simple pranks.

[Salim]

I mean, the pranks is tough to be. We actually shot a funny prank today. But I mean, dude, when. When I was 22, 23, I didn't have a worry in the world. When you're shooting pranks like that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

You can't really. Yeah. You can't replace an era like that. It's tough.

[Kyle]

What's the Avengers? That was sced. Yeah, the spoiling. Yeah, that was hilarious, bro.

[Salim]

We're going to try to shoot more pranks, though. But it's just there's so many limitations now.

[MMA Guru]

You're more popular now, so people more popular.

[Salim]

Like, if we upload a prank, the person we prank is going to see it. See it. If that happened back in the day and, like, someone we pranked, they saw it, we would freak out and be like, yo, they saw it.

[MMA Guru]

Like the.

[Salim]

You know what I'm saying? Now, now. And then they're gonna try to sue us. Well, it's also you can't thing, bro.

[Kyle]

I don't know how old you are.

[MMA Guru]

27.

[Kyle]

Once you hit that 30, it's all the comments. You just get roasted for anything you do when you hit that age.

[MMA Guru]

Because you're on.

[Salim]

You can't do anything about that, though.

[Kyle]

No, but I'm just saying it is different.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Yeah, it's different. Well, it is different. You're 30 years old. Like, start growing up a little bit. What are you doing in a shop going. I mean, you do the. In people's ears and like that. That's kind of different at 30. At that point, you're kind of a sexy.

[Steiny]

How old do you think I am?

[MMA Guru]

You could be 60. Oh, well, just being real. But you also could be younger than me, though. It's one of those things. East African.

[Steiny]

Do you think I'm like, over the age of 27?

[MMA Guru]

You're probably young, but based on your aggression, you're 24. Okay.

[Salim]

But you.

[MMA Guru]

If you could have told me you were 60, I would have.

[Kyle]

Wait, Guru. What's your. What's your fighting experience?

[MMA Guru]

My fighting experience. I did taekwondo when I was younger, so ages. So I was always doing martial arts when I was younger.

[Kyle]

But you guys should roll around.

[Steiny]

This guy would kill me, bro.

[MMA Guru]

You'd beat me. I don't do grappling. I don't do grappling.

[Steiny]

Well, you've never like.

[MMA Guru]

Rol, I've done some MMA lessons. I think I've done under a dozen MMA classes where I've done some grappling.

[Kyle]

What's your thoughts? I don't know if you cover it, but, like, the streamers. Getting in the ring with, like, fighters, like, Strickland always does it. We did it with Toporia.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. I think you owe it to the. The thing I. They did. They didn't plan me to go out there and grapple with Armen, but you kind of owe it to the content, if you know what I'm saying. When you're standing there and you're in front of the fighters and people are offering to grapple with them, it's like, gone. I'll get a little bit of humiliation for the content. It's a UFC fight. There's no loss in, like, getting out grappled by some top level UFC fire.

[Kyle]

No, you said something. What'd you say to his face? That piss him off? That Topori would knock him out?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. You would beat him at once.

[Steiny]

No, that was fair. At 155, that's 170.

[Salim]

No chance would be Armand or. Or Islam.

[MMA Guru]

It's Armin and Islam at 155.

[Salim]

You told him to his face he would beat him.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Kyle]

How do you react?

[Salim]

I thought you're talking about Islam.

[Kyle]

How do you react to that?

[MMA Guru]

He's cool. I think fighters understand that. You got to be a little bit honest. And he knows that I've been talking his Management, Aiden Ross's guys were, like, checking in with his managers that it was going to be okay, that I was going to be in his vicinity, and he said it'd be fine, so. And also, if they attack me in the us like, he risks losing another title shot, getting cut from the ufc, so it's tough. It's like a tough position for him as well. He kind of has to accept my ass. Critiquing, dude.

[Kyle]

Armand's one of the calmest guys in person.

[MMA Guru]

He is.

[Kyle]

It's like, very.

[Salim]

So are you not a fan of his fighting style too?

[MMA Guru]

I like Armin's fighting style. And what. What's happening for Armand next? I think he'll fight the winner of Oliveira versus Holloway.

[Steiny]

So they won't just ever give it to him.

[MMA Guru]

No, he needs to win one more, I reckon. After Dan Hooker, I thought that as well.

[Steiny]

And weighing in at 317, I thought he would like. Okay. Yo, he proved it.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I thought he turned it back as well. But Dana don't like that. Like, if you mess up an event for him, he hates you for it.

[Steiny]

That was the first main event of the year.

[Salim]

We were going to that fight too. Remember? We were laughing at the time.

[Steiny]

I was pumped.

[Salim]

I was pissed when I found that out because, oh, yeah, of course, Armand versus Islam. That would have been one of the.

[Kyle]

Who did this?

[Salim]

Competitive fights. He fought Moicano.

[Kyle]

Where was this at?

[MMA Guru]

It was in la.

[Steiny]

Into it.

[Kyle]

Oh, my God, I forgot about this.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. That was UFC 311. Armin Strukin. Moicano stepped in on a day's notice. That was hype. But. But Dana hates that. Dana loves Jon Jones. He might love him a bit too much in some.

[Kyle]

What's your overall thoughts on Dana?

[MMA Guru]

I think Dana's cool, but as a boss at the ufc, there's a lot to critique. So I'll. I'll get my content.

[Kyle]

I'm kind of curious, like, what. What your critiques are, because I. Let's. Let's establish this. There's a difference between a die hard expert and a casual fan.

[MMA Guru]

What are the critiques of Dana?

[Kyle]

No, no, hold on. Here's what I want to say. There's a difference between a casual fan. I'll say I'm a casual fan. I don't know nearly as much as these other guys. I like to watch. And you're an expert, so if you look at Dana doing being a businessman, trying to grow the sport as much as possible, you would argue he's doing a pretty good job.

[MMA Guru]

He's doing A, he did a good job. No, no two ways about that. Like, he brought the sport from nothing to something that's crazy. You'll never be able to top that. But at the same time, I always say this. Dana's supposed to be doing the promotion for this, and he's out here on the back tables with Steiner. That's the fact.

[Kyle]

Promotion. That's late night, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but that's late night promotion. But I feel like there should be more effort, you know, when he announced.

[Salim]

That he could still do both, though.

[MMA Guru]

No, he can still do both. But what is him doing the promotion of it is my question. Because he's on his phone.

[Salim]

I'm sure other commissioners are doing that shit behind the scenes, too. They're just not on camera.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I get that. But when you're on your phone and you're giving me like 240p grainy, quality fight announcements, it's like, come on, man, hype up the sport. I just feel like UFC could be 10 times better if someone was a bit hungrier. Yeah, Dana needs, like, his son to take over the business with new hunger for promotion.

[Kyle]

I don't know what you want. The Vince McMahon's hungry, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Dana's hungry for promotion in the UFCF. I mean, he does a decent job, but he could do way better.

[Salim]

I mean, look at this Paramount plus deal.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but that's just the ufc.

[Salim]

What do you mean?

[MMA Guru]

Like, I know that Dana White does a good job. Yeah. But I don't know, I think he could do more with, like, amping up the fights a lot more.

[Salim]

I think if you. I think if you knew him, you'd know how much of, like, strategic killer.

[MMA Guru]

Okay, when was the last Face to Face interview with fighters then?

[Salim]

Have they ever really done that? They do.

[MMA Guru]

They used to do that all the time, but they don't do face to face interviews. Like, when there's a table in front.

[Salim]

Of them, one of the, like the.

[MMA Guru]

D.C. jones talking in front of each other with Joe Rogan.

[Salim]

I mean, that's a great idea. That'd be sick to watch.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they need to bring that back. But it feels like, you know, when they get to a certain level of business, they can just sort of downgrade.

[Salim]

This Paramount plus deal to pull this off is like, this is game changing.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it's game changing.

[Salim]

Like, this sport's going to be huge this year now.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, wow. It's game changing. Big whip. That's bare minimum.

[Salim]

Give me more. That's huge.

[MMA Guru]

I'm a hardcore fan. I'm addicted to this. It's all I have in life. Give me more.

[Salim]

It's back. Hey, it's Dan Bongino. I've got some big news for you. Starting February 2nd, the show is back.

[MMA Guru]

That's right.

[Salim]

The Dan Bongino show is relaunching and we're going bigger than ever. Join me live on rumble.com Monday through Friday, 10am to noon Eastern. We'll cover the stories that matter, cut through all the garbage and get to the truth. Can't catch it live. No problem. Grab the audio wherever you get your podcasts. Remember February 2nd, the return to the Dan Bongino Show. Don't miss it.

[MMA Guru]

I want more excitement.

[Kyle]

Do you think you need more from just Dana or more from the fighters?

[MMA Guru]

Everyone, everyone needs to be pulling their way.

[Steiny]

Have they ever reached out to you?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, the UFC used to reach out to me. Before UFC 300. They were messaging me to like get me on the countdown episodes. So I'd be like, on the countdown? My voice would be on the countdown, my image would be on the countdown and stuff like that. So they would email me and say, can we use this part of your video where you're hyping up this and put it in the countdown episodes? But then Jon Jones was gay, so I just had to.

[Kyle]

What?

[MMA Guru]

I had to do it. That falls in my lap and I'm like, oh my God. Yeah.

[Steiny]

When was he gay?

[MMA Guru]

When?

[Steiny]

Yeah, like what makes you think Jon Jones is gay?

[MMA Guru]

Quite a few times. It's like a million view video on my channel, which pretty. It breaks it down pretty well. But he was like a, a club with a, A man friend of his on this video that a comedian posted and he was getting real frisky.

[Steiny]

I know what video talking about that did sound like him.

[MMA Guru]

That was.

[Steiny]

Well, it did sound like.

[Kyle]

What do you do?

[Steiny]

Just a quick like shoulder massage comedy show.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it's really hammered.

[Steiny]

Yeah, he was just saying a lot of like.

[Kyle]

He was talking.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, but it was like really.

[Salim]

Sucks sometimes you get handsy with the boys.

[MMA Guru]

Drunk though.

[Kyle]

A little bit.

[Steiny]

No, but if talking about the video.

[MMA Guru]

I would say that that makes you gay.

[Salim]

Yeah, but you're a little drunk. It's like.

[MMA Guru]

Okay, yeah, if you're a little drunk, it's whatever.

[Salim]

Not as handsy as you get.

[Kyle]

Well, whatever you can have.

[Salim]

Not below the weight.

[Kyle]

Oh, dude. That's when you really love your boys shoulders.

[Salim]

It's not as bad.

[Kyle]

You go always above the waist. I'm never below the waist ever. Make that clear. What, what fighter do you think right now is doing the. The best and worst job to promote themselves and promote the ufc.

[MMA Guru]

You know what? I give Makashev's fans a lot of. But he promotes himself quite well. He's always doing interviews. Funny moments. Always doing some kind of collaboration with people like Aiden. He'll grapple with Aiden, so he tries. And he learns English for it as well.

[Salim]

They're funny, though, the Dagestanis.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they are.

[Kyle]

They go.

[Salim]

Because they can talk, too. They can talk?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they can. They can talk. It seemed like a sort of like, babywear, like they have baby English, you know, I mean, where. It's just like.

[Salim]

That's what makes it.

[MMA Guru]

It kind of makes it funnier in that way. Yeah. But other than that, there ain't too many people promoting, like McGregor used to in his prime in the UFC. Right.

[Kyle]

Like I said, as a casual, that's been the. Like, these guys need to get. And I don't know, maybe not, but you could use, like, some mic training or be a little bit crazier. I think the last good press conference I saw was when it was Sugar Strickland and maybe Leon Edwards and Colby or something.

[Steiny]

Nah. Who was Sugar?

[Kyle]

Sugar said some crazy stuff to Strickland, and Strickland got pissed.

[Steiny]

Oh, Sugar Cheeto, I think.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it was.

[Steiny]

And then it was one of those seasonal press conferences where. Yeah, that was the last press conference.

[Kyle]

Where I saw everyone get heated up there. So I. I agree that doesn't happen as frequently as you'd want it to.

[MMA Guru]

I think Sean said something like, at least I didn't get touched by my dad.

[Steiny]

Yeah. And then he's sad, and you said.

[Kyle]

At least my dad didn't. Me?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, wow. Okay. You remember this? This is ingrained in your mind.

[Kyle]

Well, that could be. It's a crazy thing to say to.

[MMA Guru]

Here's a crazy thing to say. But, yeah, there's, like, very few times where the guys actually talk crazy Patty Pimlet and Dan Hooker into it, if you want to see that. Yeah. Patty Pim saying, hey, Dan Hooker couldn't.

[Kyle]

Oh, my God.

[MMA Guru]

Wrestle a. A rapist off his m. Lad. He was saying that. Yeah. Couldn't wrestle a rapist off his m.

[Kyle]

But Dan Hooker wasn't in attendance, right?

[MMA Guru]

No, it was on my. It was on my channel. I got a Patty Pim interview.

[Steiny]

The interview he just did with Pad.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Jeez, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. And then Dan Hooker responded back saying, rest in peace to Patty's friend that committed suicide. Crazy.

[Salim]

Jesus.

[MMA Guru]

Cr. So they're kicking off. I Think, like, the fighters are kicking off a little bit, but I think with the talking thing, they're so scared of losing and ending up on like a. When trash talking goes wrong viral thing where it shows all of their trash talking and they lose. Cuz there's good odds you lose these days.

[Salim]

No one's doing a good job.

[MMA Guru]

Tapur is doing a great job. Yeah. But now he's got his. Yeah, you guys called that.

[Salim]

How do.

[Kyle]

You had nothing to do with that comment.

[MMA Guru]

You had. You guys had a crystal ball in that collaboration when you were saying something.

[Kyle]

That's our guy. We got in the ring, fought him. What we said after is no effect. We hung out with them all day. It was great.

[Salim]

I don't want to disrespect to Poirier, though. I mean, I don't want to disrespect.

[Kyle]

No, he was. He's so great to us. People take out of context, but who knows? Best of him.

[MMA Guru]

Fighters are cool. They're cool to me. Even Armin. I thought Armin was gonna, like, immediately jump up and headbutt me in the face like he did in the weigh in with Dan.

[Steiny]

Okay.

[MMA Guru]

Dragging me a little headbutt. But he was chill. I think they get that most people are just talking trolls online and they kind of have to accept the world that we're for sure.

[Kyle]

Well, you got to think, what is he going to get out of attacking you?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kyle]

Except to be fair, what are your.

[Salim]

Fights to make this year that the UFC should make?

[MMA Guru]

You got to do Makashev, to pure. You're at some.

[Steiny]

Yes, yes.

[MMA Guru]

That's the biggest fight in the UFC in terms of skill. Yeah. The biggest fight in the UFC.

[Steiny]

How do you think that goes?

[MMA Guru]

At 155, I think Ilya's got a shot, but at 170, Makashev's too freak strong.

[Salim]

That will never.

[Steiny]

At 155, that won't happen. Like, how do you see that fight actually going? Like. Like, do you think Ilia can KO.

[MMA Guru]

Him looking at, like, Volk, Makashev and even other fights that he had with Poirier as well? I think at 55, Makashev's holding himself back. I think he's like a worse version of himself at 55 because he's weak.

[Salim]

I don't even think we should talk 155 anymore.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I know, because that's. But he.

[Steiny]

They would never. Yeah, they would never do that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. It's just a silly question.

[Salim]

He's too big.

[Steiny]

I just think that would be the most competitive.

[MMA Guru]

Like you said, 155.

[Steiny]

The most competitive for both those guys.

[MMA Guru]

But a 170Makashev should more him too big. Other than that, you got to do Alex Pereira moving up to heavyweight or Alex Pereira Jon Jones, but I don't think that's going happen either. There's a lot of big fights the UFC just seems to not want.

[Kyle]

Did you. Did you cover the Alex Pereira. Tracy Cortez four day broke up already.

[MMA Guru]

Right.

[Steiny]

Right after she said, are you gonna marry me? Yeah, like that clip. And then like the next day or the next.

[Salim]

Were they actually dating?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they were dating, like, secretly. And then they went public with it. And then she sent the day before she made a post where she asked him in Spanish, will you marry me? And he kind of went like, yes for him in his language. He just gave him. Gave him like a Y. And then she posted it online. That might have been the reason where he's like, why?

[Salim]

Who's the hottest female UFC fighter of all time?

[Steiny]

Mackenzie Dern. There's no doubt about it.

[Kyle]

I think Paige is pretty hot.

[MMA Guru]

Mackenzie Dern also.

[Kyle]

Tracy's up there too.

[MMA Guru]

Paige is in.

[Salim]

Ronda Rousey was. Ronda Rousey was kind of bad.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, Ronda Rousey was kind of bad in like a butch, like, she could submit me type of way.

[Kyle]

I think Tracy's fine.

[MMA Guru]

You don't think Dern is hot. But what about Paige?

[Salim]

There was another one.

[MMA Guru]

We saw her fight Van Zan. She's not active anymore. Stein. He kept.

[Kyle]

He said.

[MMA Guru]

I thought he said histor of all time. Maybe I'm talking active on the roster. You know what I mean? But I think Norma Jamont's up there. There's a lot of other ones. Do you want to get into the. I made a. That was my first viral video. I did a women's UFC fighter, hottest women's UFC fighter tier list, and it popped off. That was your favorite ring girl? I did favorite ring girl. Brooklyn Ren.

[Salim]

Is she current?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, she's.

[Salim]

Of all time.

[MMA Guru]

Have you hung around with these girls in real life?

[Salim]

Yeah, not the new ones.

[Kyle]

Really hung right.

[MMA Guru]

Those ones you just mentioned.

[Salim]

Ariani is the best ring girl of all time, no questions asked.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I feel like this.

[Salim]

I went to. I went to a UFC expo, I think, when I was in eighth grade.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

And I lined up to meet Ariane.

[MMA Guru]

You're an OG fan of the ufc then. You know it from.

[Salim]

I've been watching since like 2008. Like, Spike TV days. Not like super. Super. Not when they were have. When they had geese in the ring. But.

[MMA Guru]

Well, you're not Spike tv.

[Salim]

Spike TV days. Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

You're as. You're as hardcore as you can be then for that time. So you're watching Anderson Silver and gsp.

[Salim]

GSP was my favorite. I had a. That was the brand he was repping.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, the key. I don't know what the brand.

[Salim]

Shiny. Yeah.

[Kyle]

I don't know.

[MMA Guru]

I had a shiny assume that he had on.

[Salim]

Yeah, yeah, that was. That was a good era.

[MMA Guru]

See, I'm a McGregor era hardcore fan.

[Kyle]

Me too.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. That changed in the UK when I started watching. Yeah. How McGregor changed the game. It's in school corridors, people saying, you'll deal Norton. They would go. Everyone was going off anything McGregor said. School corridors. Six form people would be saying it and stuff like that. Any friendship group you were in, I like.

[Kyle]

You'll do what you're told.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Have you ever talked to him on DMS or anything?

[MMA Guru]

No, I've never talked to McGregor. He put me in his documentary on a clip, but he don't. You don't talk to me in the dms. I don't really talk to many fighters. I've gone back and forth with Tomas, but now Paddy Pimlet, most of the UK guys will entertain me, but most of the fighters don't want much to do with me, to be honest with you.

[Kyle]

Should we do biggest stud or just chicks?

[MMA Guru]

Biggest stud in the US Fighters.

[Steiny]

No, it was the most overrated fighter.

[MMA Guru]

Most overrated fighter right now. And underrated always Hard to say. I think Diego Lopez, aside from Volk, if. If Volk dips, Lopez will rule that division.

[Steiny]

Underrated.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, he's underrated.

[Steiny]

Overrated now.

[MMA Guru]

I mean, Joshua Van's kind of a fake champ right now.

[Salim]

Right?

[MMA Guru]

Okay.

[Steiny]

Besides 125 anyway.

[MMA Guru]

Besides 100. Okay. So they're irrelevant to you?

[Steiny]

No, I never just that fight happened.

[MMA Guru]

Marab was great, but I do think there was like a. He's dominating these guys. And I was like, that was a 48, 47 decision. He's not dominating these guys. So that's why I think Yam beat him. Because there was this sort of image.

[Salim]

But he's not overrated.

[MMA Guru]

I think he kind of was a little bit.

[Kyle]

Well, I think.

[Steiny]

He'S done.

[MMA Guru]

No, but that's how good he is.

[Salim]

Right.

[MMA Guru]

Because he's overrated. But he's still really, really great. But it's just that people were acting like he's going to dominate Yan and I was thinking in his last three fights, two of them have been like, pretty close decisions.

[Salim]

I don't think that was smart of them. To fight four times in one year, that's too much.

[MMA Guru]

There's a reason fighters fight once a year these days. I hate the fighters, complain about fire, pay, and show up once a year. That's the craziest thing to me. One time a year you're showing up and the pay is not good enough. That's what. You show up to work once a year, all of a sudden you ain't getting paid enough, but you can sit on your ass for eight months. Let's.

[Salim]

Let's do a group prediction. Let's do predict our White House cards and see who gets the closest. What, are we going to make a little bet?

[MMA Guru]

They're saying seven title fights.

[Steiny]

No, that's not gonna happen.

[MMA Guru]

It's not gonna happen. I don't believe that.

[Steiny]

I don't think so.

[Kyle]

Who said that?

[Steiny]

Trump said it.

[MMA Guru]

Trump. No.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Trump and Dana have been talking about it.

[Steiny]

I don't think seven.

[Salim]

Trump just says. And then Dana, like, sees it on his phone.

[MMA Guru]

He's got it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, yeah. I've kind of got to agree with this now.

[Steiny]

White House main event. What do we want?

[Salim]

Who's going to be the main event?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I think it'll be Ilia versus the winner of Pimlet Gaeta. Especially if Gaiji wins, because that's a us.

[Salim]

You think that'll be the main event?

[MMA Guru]

I do think that, yeah. Because who else is it going to be, Makashev? All these fighters don't want to do it.

[Salim]

Why?

[MMA Guru]

Because it's like they also got to be in it.

[Kyle]

You got to be in America.

[MMA Guru]

A lot of them don't like the one I said.

[Salim]

He doesn't want all Americans on the card.

[MMA Guru]

No.

[Salim]

But I think he wants to make it.

[Kyle]

I think. I think there might. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

[Salim]

Because at the beginning we were wondering, is it going to be all Americans? But he stated that it's going to be no, he just wants to make the most badass card.

[Kyle]

I wonder if there's any foreign fighters that don't want to fight at the White House.

[Salim]

It's got to be McGregor as the main event.

[MMA Guru]

McGregor's not letting me know. He's irrelevant. Now, in terms of the fight world though, don't you? No. For the White House card, you gotta have like a pinnacle, top level fight in the ufc, right?

[Steiny]

See, that's Alex could be it.

[Kyle]

No, I would say.

[MMA Guru]

Ilya Limb discuss what, what the bro.

[Kyle]

That'S what I'm saying. You're talking, you're talking from an expert point of view and a casual is gonna. Everyone's gonna tune in for McGregor.

[Salim]

Yeah, McGregor's gonna be on CBS.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I know, but McGregor's gonna be on the card. I just don't see them doing the.

[Steiny]

Title fight for the main event. Yeah, you need a title fight. There's no doubt about it. This can't be the only card where there's no.

[Salim]

I mean they also just, they just anal numbers. Right. McGregor's gonna do the most views. They don't like think like that.

[Steiny]

Yeah, but I could say too, they.

[Salim]

Literally look and say what is gonna get the most views. They don't like say like, oh, we need a title fight. They like statistically analyze it.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but when was the last time there was a non title fight main event? Even when there's two fighters but there's.

[Salim]

Only one White House card?

[MMA Guru]

It's true.

[Salim]

If you're Dr. I was driving around in LA the other day and the Paramount plus billboard McGregor's on it.

[MMA Guru]

So you think McGregor, Chandler, main event at the White House then.

[Salim]

I think there's no bigger fight than McGregor. Yeah, it's a White House car. They're trying to appeal worldwide, I guess.

[MMA Guru]

I guess casually. You think with McGregor's allegations they're going to want him being on the White House main event. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna take that bad press. They don't care.

[Salim]

I don't think they give a.

[MMA Guru]

Maybe they will. I could see maybe McGregor doing it, but I definitely think they want some top level. Yeah, yeah.

[Steiny]

Ufc and plus a heavier, a heavier weight class too. Like it just only makes sense. I think it only makes sense if you put Jones, Alex's main event, Connor Chandler at co main, if that pushed them down and put another like Ilya and Patty as a coman. You could do that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

And then you could push Connor and Chandler down because I mean if you want to make these fights that are seven title fights or the best possible fights. Yeah, someone has to give up, Right. Are you going to take a main event where it's like a championship fight and put con. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know how they would rank it, like 1, 2, 3, like and stuff like that. But I think, I think for sure they need a heavier weight class as the main event.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they do. I don't think they're going to let Jones in the White House.

[Steiny]

I think they have to Well, I.

[MMA Guru]

Think at some point they're gonna put hands on Ivanka, then you can't.

[Steiny]

But I'm just saying, at some point, they're probably gonna have to, because every other guy's gonna be.

[Kyle]

I don't think he's gonna do that.

[MMA Guru]

Well, you don't think he's gonna do that? No, it just comes out of him.

[Kyle]

I think he's. You got to be on your best behavior.

[MMA Guru]

The first lady's, like, the ultimate trophy for him, you know? I mean, that's like his. His peak, his mountaintop.

[Kyle]

Has John never responded to anything you've said?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, he has. He called me unkempt on Twitter and then blocked me on everything.

[Kyle]

How scared would you be to see that guy in the streets?

[MMA Guru]

I don't think I'll be going to Albuquerque, New Mexico. Think I'll be all right.

[Steiny]

Say you run into him in the grocery store.

[Kyle]

I don't know. Just random. I think you're dead. I don't know.

[MMA Guru]

I think I'm just gonna have to just put on an accent, maybe pretend I'm gay. So he might just get a bit of a weird look about it. I don't know. He's gonna have to, like. I'll definitely have to rock some kind of disguise if I see, like, there's a few fighters where. If I see him, I'm dead.

[Salim]

Like, who are.

[Steiny]

Who are those?

[MMA Guru]

Jon Jones Dastanis.

[Steiny]

Right.

[MMA Guru]

I think. You think he'd hit Dagestanis? If I. Like, if you want to kill me, just drop me in Dagestan with a parachute. I won't last an hour. They'll catch me.

[Salim]

If you're in Dagestan, you're.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah.

[Salim]

If you see them in the US.

[Kyle]

We should have brought them.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. They might follow the rules.

[Salim]

No, Dagestan, you'd be far.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they dropped me in daggers, I'd be like, the hills have eyes. They'd be just crawling down.

[Salim]

It probably wouldn't even be them. They'd probably get their, like.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

The youngins.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. So, Sty, any baccarat recently?

[Kyle]

No, I haven't. Just been gambling, sports.

[MMA Guru]

What you been up to, mate? On the late night with Steining or whatever your podcast is called? Is that what it is?

[Kyle]

Yeah. One night with Stoney.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, okay. Sorry.

[Kyle]

No, I've just been doing it weekly.

[MMA Guru]

Nice.

[Kyle]

Been going well.

[MMA Guru]

Nice. I reference you a lot, Steiny. It's a weird thing. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Dude, I'm gonna be honest. I only see you on X a lot. I see you A lot. And I know of you because of my boy who's gonna beat your ass. Schmitty Ryan. Yeah, With Sugar. Sean's boy. So that's how I discovered you.

[MMA Guru]

We were supposed to do.

[Kyle]

Why the hell do you reference me a lot?

[MMA Guru]

Because it's like a funny way to like on Dana for doing things that aren't promoting. Chilling with Steiny from the note.

[Kyle]

But don't you think. Don't you think the guy. Don't think the guy should have fun in his personal life? You gotta balance stuff.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I know, but it's not his.

[Kyle]

Fault that people bring cameras wherever he goes.

[MMA Guru]

It's true. You guys bring cameras wherever he goes. I guess that's kind of on you a little bit. It's a good point. Getting your content out of. It's a good point.

[Kyle]

It's a good point.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of not his. People bring cameras while you're doing it. But yeah, I just think, you know, there's. There's. There's definitely things to critique Dana on, but of course you guys are as bummed.

[Kyle]

Okay, so what else? What are your other critiques?

[MMA Guru]

He doesn't answer fucking questions at the press conference at all. I've never seen ask me a UFC fight question. I'll be doing a work.

[Salim]

He's like the only commissioner that even does like a press conference, though.

[MMA Guru]

Ask me about a fighter in the UFC and a question about a fighter.

[Salim]

In the ufc, but no other commissioner even.

[Kyle]

Wait, Celine, let's see. Let's see how his go and ask him.

[MMA Guru]

So.

[Steiny]

Hey, Dana. So what's going on with Oliveira?

[Kyle]

What's.

[Steiny]

What's next for him? I know you probably want to put him against Armaan next. What's up with Oliveira's future in the ufc? What?

[MMA Guru]

Charles Oliver. What's going on with Charles Oliver? I mean, come on, you guys. We don't do the matchmaking till Tuesday. I mean, come on. What are these questions? That's how he'll defuse it easily, and then that's it. You don't get anything out of him. We don't do the matchmaking till Tuesday. What's next for this guy's. What that guy? I don't know what's. What's going on? Anyway, somebody asked me about blackjack and he immediately is light. His eyes will light up. Enjoy. You'll see a twinkle in his eye. Just mention gambling today. Now a twinkle will appear in his eye and it'll be like, oh, finally I get to talk about something interesting.

[Salim]

I don't really think he's crushed the ufc.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Yeah, he did, but I just think it's time for something new. You don't think it's time for, like, a fresh.

[Salim]

I think if he dipped, a lot would change.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Look at the free speech with the ufc. Do you think if. You know, Dana's the only one that's holding that together. Right. Like, when strong. When Sean Strickland goes off on a press conference and says, Dana is the only one that is allowing that to, like, like, still happen. The second there's a new head of the ufc, that person's gonna break.

[Kyle]

Such a good point. That's a good point.

[MMA Guru]

So fast. It's a good point because there's definitely things to critique Dana Ron, when that.

[Salim]

Would change the entire year.

[MMA Guru]

There's pros and cons.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Obviously, I'm gonna make videos doing the cons. But then Dana White during COVID Yeah.

[Salim]

There might not even be a ufc, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Did anyone else think Fight island was going to be some kind of, like, tropical outdoor.

[Kyle]

We attended that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Steiny]

That was our first year. That was my first year.

[Kyle]

Mine, too.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Yeah. That was a crazy.

[Steiny]

Khabib.

[MMA Guru]

You guys got flown out for that. You guys are real in there with the ufc, how they love you guys.

[Salim]

That's when we first met Dana. Yeah. The first time. And that was our first. Yeah. First kind of UFC experience was crazy.

[MMA Guru]

That was Khabib's last fight, too, against Gaethji, right? Yeah. Yeah. He cried in a ring. That was when you asked him. You. You have dog.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

That was funny.

[MMA Guru]

That was.

[Steiny]

Yeah, yeah, that resurfaced.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

I do want to say, though, Kia actually made a really good point, because these fighters say some crazy. They do, and Dana gives them all the freedom in the world, and it's the only sport where you have sponsors. Look at how PR trained. If you watch the NFL, NBA, how those guys answer questions.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

The UFC guys will give you whatever they actually believe in, and that's rare, and that's also very risky.

[Salim]

I think the whole UFC changes when Dana's gone.

[Kyle]

And hasn't Joe Rogan said if. If Dana ever leaves, he's out of there, too? Like, seems like you don't like Joe either.

[Steiny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[MMA Guru]

I don't mind Joe. I just insult him.

[Kyle]

About what?

[MMA Guru]

It's funny to crack Joe's. I'm just rat, you know? I mean. Yeah, but I. I absolutely agree that Dana White is good for the ufc, but there's definitely things that you could be doing better, like But I look at things from, like, a hardcore perspective.

[Salim]

Right. Right.

[MMA Guru]

When I'm all the way in on the UFC and I'm watching it every weekend, I'm like, God, this could have been done better. That could have been pulled off. Way better. Give me a face to face interview between the fighters.

[Salim]

Face to face. I totally agree with you.

[Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Salim]

That'd be lit. I love watching those.

[Kyle]

I wonder why they don't do that.

[MMA Guru]

That's on D. Sort of be like, oh, that's an interesting idea. Let me.

[Kyle]

There's got to be a reason he doesn't do that, though.

[MMA Guru]

I think he's worried that they'll, like, throw hands and then the commission might call something off.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Which is a huge.

[Salim]

Which is a valid point.

[MMA Guru]

Think about, like, a bad blood matchup that's happened recently. S. Yeah.

[Salim]

There hasn't been a crazy beef press conference.

[MMA Guru]

No. Like, imagine if Patty Pim, Ilia Tapuria was sat across a table.

[Salim]

I think that will be the biggest fight in a while if that happens.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. That'd be like a Walmart McGregor.

[Salim]

I think it'll be the closest to McGregor Khabib.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. McGregor Habib type of thing. Yeah.

[Steiny]

You think that's bigger than Islam earlier?

[MMA Guru]

No. It'll be bigger in the west, but worldwide, it's crazy, dude. There's so many more people in the world than we think. Miami is not even a city. I was. I've been going around Miami recently. It's barely a city. Being from London, I know New York must be crazier.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

In terms of, like, building wise.

[Salim]

Right. Like, skyline.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. But if you can get across a city in 20 minutes by car, it's not a real suit. That doesn't count. So there's a lot. There's a bigger world out.

[Salim]

What's your favorite things about Miami? Anything.

[MMA Guru]

I've been trekking around. I went to the Vince Cuellar thing. That whole area I probably butchered. I don't even know what the.

[Kyle]

That is. My boy.

[MMA Guru]

You gotta.

[Kyle]

You gotta hit the beach and get some sun, I think.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. I can't do sun, brother. I'm white as they come. People say I'm pure. You guys have been hitting the sun like crazy.

[Salim]

Yeah, it's been sunny.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it has been sunny. You've been living in Miami for a while, Carl.

[Salim]

Two years.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. That's cool.

[Salim]

I like it.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

I saw a lot of comments. Everyone was very surprised that you were kind of, like, in shape.

[MMA Guru]

I'm not in shape, though.

[Kyle]

You look strong. Versus that's what all the responses were.

[Salim]

Yeah, like, you did good.

[MMA Guru]

I mean, I'm in decent shape, I guess. I don't really do gym too much. I think I'm just big.

[Kyle]

Did it ever get to you or bother you that people would kind of identify you as like this fat guy behind the computer commenting and on something that they could never do?

[MMA Guru]

I did love it. That was good to me. I don't know. They. I got. So my whole thing is like super chat donations. So people hit me with two dollar this, two dollar that. The amount of donations I got for like, you're in a wheelchair. I had disabled when I wasn't was crazy. I might have to like, donate it to, like a disabled chariot.

[Kyle]

What was your.

[MMA Guru]

To clear my karma on that.

[Kyle]

What made you so big? Like, what was your breaking moment?

[MMA Guru]

It's been over time. I don't even know how to describe what my blow up, blow up moment was. I just kept getting into these fighter interactions, I guess, and the more fighters interact to me, I kept somehow winning the exchange online because I'm good at talking, but I think that's a UK thing. Yeah. Where we're kind of good at making talk sound a bit funnier.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

And make people laugh with it. So I don't know, Fighters would go after me and I'd have all the time in the world while they're busy on a flight or something. And then within eight hours, I've conjured up a storm online and then they're just their phones blowing up. So it was just like a. It became like a thing. Every couple of months, a fighter would on me and I'd go back at them and it'd be like a. A huge thing.

[Salim]

What's your, like, ultimate goal with, like your career and stuff?

[Kyle]

Sounds like you want to be Dana.

[MMA Guru]

I'd like to be Dana. Yeah. I'd like to be the new Dana White. That'd be. That'd be a good job for me. I think I'd handle that pretty well on the free speech there. I think I'd do all the good things that Dana does with, like a young passion for the sport. I think I could host a good post fight press conference as well. But I'd probably get into some trouble, though. The second they put me in the ufc, they're gonna bring up the marab rage clip and all of this other, like, imagine me trying to legitimately promote a Dagastani.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

They just post, oh, isn't this you? Yeah, and it's just me and my beanie on going nuts. In my bedroom trashing these guys. I don't think that could work. There's no way that could work.

[Kyle]

What about, like, the most controversial. That's not obvious, but controversial ruling after a fight where you were like, yo, this guy won.

[Steiny]

Yeah, controversial.

[Kyle]

And they didn't give it to him.

[MMA Guru]

Reyes beat Jones. Three, two. That was a crazy man.

[Steiny]

What about Gustafson? One.

[MMA Guru]

No, he clearly lost.

[Kyle]

Am I too much of a casual to say I think Volk beat Islam?

[Steiny]

Yeah, I think he won 4 1?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, 4 1. But I get the rounds were close, though. But the thing is about Makashev Volk is that there were moments in that fight where Makashev would, like, lose balance with the shots and it'd be like, oh, Vulk did something crazy. But really, it was a bit like.

[Steiny]

The first round when he hit him in the chest and he backed up. Yeah, that was a like, oh. Because, I mean, you don't see that happen to them, right? So it's like them being in a competitive fight, it's like, oh, that's not supposed to happen. Right. Because they've been dominating for so long.

[MMA Guru]

It's like, Jones, Gustafson like it. Joe Gustafson was just doing good, so therefore he's winning.

[Steiny]

Do you think he didn't train for that, or do you agree with Joe?

[MMA Guru]

He didn't even train. And Joe Rogan's. He's got some smooth head MMA takes. Yeah.

[Steiny]

So what are three. Three things he says that's just like, bro, drills just gotta stop.

[MMA Guru]

Joe Rogan, basically. Joe Rogan's like a, you know, woody toy. Pull the back string and there's a snake in my boot. He has like five MMA sayings whenever he talks about it. Like, how did he ever make 185? God, he's talking about Alex Pereira. You're like, L1, shut up about this. How did he make 185 thing. And then he'll go off about Jon Jones not even training for fights when that's just not true.

[Steiny]

He developed a spinning back kick.

[MMA Guru]

He just reinvented a spinning back kick at 37 years of age. I don't even know what Joe Rogan's on sometimes. I think he's got early stages dementia. If I had to go, what about steel cups? Oh, yeah, he can help with an arm bar. People forget, man.

[Salim]

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[Salim]

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[Steiny]

When he impersonates like, I don't know. That shit's funny to me.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, he does a lot of that type of thing. You can have an armor. Are they still using steel cups? He asks that every.

[Steiny]

He'll do the eyes too.

[MMA Guru]

He'll be like, dude, I know, man. They can help with an arm bar. It's funny, man.

[Kyle]

It's funny.

[Steiny]

I find that.

[Kyle]

How do you feel about. I know you guys are boys now.

[MMA Guru]

But Suga chatting to his guy yesterday. Yeah, Me and Sean talk quite a bit. I think it's the Schmitty connection.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

You know, now I'm in with Schmitty. I'm kind of in with Sean o'. Malley. But Sean o' Malley's cool. I think he. If he doesn't win this next one, it's done. He's even said that. Right. If he loses this next one, I don't think he wants to be the guy that goes out losing. Yeah, but he's in a tough division, man. Yeah. Yeah. Especially to be a star striker. And you've got Uma coming up now and Merab's already there. And out. Even out. I didn't think he was going to be Aljo.

[Steiny]

He should go to 145.

[Salim]

I think that was a crazy fight.

[MMA Guru]

The Aljo O' Malley thing. You guys were there, right? Steve threw him the happy data, but you were hyped about that. Yeah, I bet you.

[Salim]

I mean, no one thought he was gonna win, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I didn't think so. Some people, crafty guys, picked him to win out there.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Because if Aljo was doing the activity thing as well, he fought three months before he stepped back in there. But I don't know, I think.

[Salim]

I mean, if Sugar wins, he might be on the White House card versus Yan, though.

[MMA Guru]

They will make that fight. That's on the card. See? See? I mean, that's a decent card, I reckon. Imagine that. Pimlet beats Gaichu main event. Ilya to Puria Paddy Pimlet co main event. Sean o', Malley, Po Yan. Two for the belt. Now we're cooking some adesanya on the card, maybe versus another guy at Middlewood Johnson.

[Salim]

McGregor will both be on the card.

[MMA Guru]

McGregor's gonna be on there. I just don't think he'll be the main event.

[Steiny]

I don't think so either.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

You think McGregor would fight and not be the main event? I don't think he won't if he made a comeback.

[MMA Guru]

They like putting. They don't like diminishing the belts by putting them. I. If there was no other titles on the card, I can see McGregor being a main event, but if there's world championships on the card, he might be on the main card. Third position, downs, co main event, something like that.

[Salim]

Imagine McGregor and Islam on the same press conference.

[Steiny]

That would be insane.

[Salim]

How much would you personally pay. Would you donate to see Khabib McGregor too?

[MMA Guru]

So I don't want to see McGregor go through that again. I was crying the first time I watched that live with my dad. Yeah? Yeah. I watched that live with my dad and he was in my ear saying, why doesn't he just get up? I was like, shut the up, dude. I'm watching my hero die in front of me here in round two. I was in. I was in near tears. Watching it happen to McGregor, especially out of the UK and Ireland as well is the same thing, right?

[Kyle]

McGregor and Islam, that's not a possibility.

[MMA Guru]

Crazy. I highly doubt.

[Kyle]

Imagine. Imagine there was an outside the ring fight at the White House.

[MMA Guru]

That could happen. Yeah, they could. Just like, you know the UFC's new game plan for fights that ain't gonna happen is just like have them cross paths in a hotel corridor and see and just make sure there's a camera there for it, you know?

[Kyle]

I mean, that happened with Arman and Toporia, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, they got into it. Tapuria said he slapped him, but he didn't slap him him. That was a weird moment. He didn't slap Armin in that thing. He put his hand like he caressed his neck with his hand and then said that he slapped him. But a video came out.

[Kyle]

You'd think that that'd be orchestrated better. You think they wanted. Want that kind of to happen?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I think they try and make that happen. Sometimes they don't want to have a fight before the fight because that ruins it. Someone gets caught, the fight's off.

[Kyle]

Didn't Strickland go at somebody or. And what's his name?

[Steiny]

Oh, Du Plessian. Strickland.

[MMA Guru]

He's talking about that.

[Steiny]

No, that he was fighting a fight.

[Salim]

What's good with Du Plessis?

[MMA Guru]

Oh, yeah, I went to train with Du Plessi in South Africa.

[Salim]

Oh, you did?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. He'll be. He'll be back. He's a. He's a tough one though, because now he's lost. It's kind of like I think there's a lot of people that are looking at like, huh, I could do that to him because the Chimea fight was like, it seemed too easy to be.

[Steiny]

No one's beating him at that division.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I know there's nobody 185.

[Salim]

I think Chimaev's the best pound for pound fighter in the ufc.

[MMA Guru]

He might not have earned that yet, but you'll definitely.

[Salim]

He hasn't earned it, but I think he is.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Do you see the way he wrestled Jon Jones?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, he's a strong in terms of moving up, but Makashev right now is top pound for pound. Taking out JDM's good. I know, I know Chimaev and Makashev make these guys look like in their fights, but they are really top level fighters. You know, they're top world champs. Crazy win streaks. DDP beat Strickland twice. Adesanya Whitaker before that. That's people are talking about if he beats Chimaev, is there like goat conversations on the horizon for ddp? And then Chaev just molests him in the cage for five rounds straight.

[Steiny]

I thought the Ples was going to win.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. A little bit too big for Chev after the burns one.

[Salim]

Salim was telling me Dusi all week. I had to hear it all week.

[Kyle]

He's. You got to fade his locks, bro. In the ufc.

[Steiny]

Stiny, you're talking about fighting. They're not even in the same division.

[MMA Guru]

Well, I don't know.

[Salim]

Just reads the comments and then the comments say that from the heart, from the hardcore. Emma, man, fan base size.

[Steiny]

I just thought, okay, you know, maybe he'll stuff some takedowns and keep it up on the feet. And you know how awkward he is.

[Salim]

A lot of people think that, like.

[Steiny]

Duplexes finds a way to win.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I thought Du Plessi was going to win that. I thought.

[Steiny]

I thought, but can't, dude.

[MMA Guru]

No one's beating that guy, man. Yeah, no, I get into. I get into it. Like, I was like, oh, Whitaker's had, like, a lower jaw surgery, so that's probably why he got rear naked like that in round one. I don't think Du Plessis is going to have that happen to him. But then Chimaev just goes out there and just makes him look silly in that fight. I think he'll be back, though.

[Steiny]

I think only. Any. Only competition for Chamayev is going up. Up in light heavyweight.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Honestly, there's nothing else. He's just gonna dominate and be 28. 0 by the end of his career.

[MMA Guru]

You think he chases Pereira at 200?

[Steiny]

I want to see that. That's a. I would like to see that. After Magomed, after that fight. I would like to, because it's like, dude, I mean, he beat a Dagestani, right? So I want to see. With that size of Pereira fighting a guy like Hamzat, it'd be interesting, I think.

[MMA Guru]

Was that unprofessional Gabe blaring music out of his phone there without it being on mute?

[Kyle]

That was a Snapchat from a dude.

[MMA Guru]

Snapchat from a dude?

[Kyle]

Yeah, like. Like some guy in his car.

[MMA Guru]

Like, are you two still having this, like, crazy feud between. Or is that you guys above it now?

[Kyle]

We fought twice. I've knocked him both.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, yeah. I saw you knock him out. That was a crazy.

[Kyle]

What do you think of my fighting?

[Salim]

I think MMA would be a little closer.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Because when they wrestle.

[Kyle]

He'S got £200 on me, bro.

[Salim]

That's what I'm saying. Well, still, you can't.

[Kyle]

You saw me take the punch from Toporia. I fought to Poria.

[MMA Guru]

You fought to Puria. Yeah. You got knocked out. He was actually swinging, like, pretty decently. Big shots on you guys. I'm surprised you. You know, big CEO Kyle from now.

[Salim]

Coming up, same thing. I had to do it.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, you do.

[Salim]

I did it with Volk, too.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but Volks.

[Salim]

Nice. But he went like he was hitting me, but Toporia. Yeah, he actually hit us pretty hard. Like, I. I got, like, soft stars.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, that's a tough one. He nearly knocked your veneers out, man.

[Salim]

I know.

[MMA Guru]

That was a tough shot. You definitely saw stars after that.

[Kyle]

He hit him. He hit you in, like, the side of the head.

[Salim]

Yeah, it was hard.

[MMA Guru]

I rated. When you fought Jake, Paul's lackey, what's his little man serving?

[Kyle]

I don't even remember.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, you don't even know that guy.

[Kyle]

Three zero, my boy.

[MMA Guru]

You're undefeated. Three, you know?

[Kyle]

Yeah. One and on the parking lot you. Have you ever thrown in the parking lot?

[MMA Guru]

No, I've never thrown in a parking lot. People don't start fights with me. I haven't had any fights when I was younger.

[Kyle]

Never?

[MMA Guru]

No. I had a couple scuffles at school, though. I threw a guy into a door once.

[Kyle]

For what?

[MMA Guru]

Reasoning moment, dude, they were talking about that one for, like, days.

[Kyle]

Is that on camera or no?

[MMA Guru]

No, it's not on camera. No.

[Kyle]

Because I'd like to see if that actually went down that way.

[MMA Guru]

No, this. So I did taekwondo when I was younger. This other taekwondo guy charged up a kick at me, ran at me. He went and threw this kick at me. I grabbed his leg and swung him into a door. That's, like, my claim to fame and like, my street fighting. Yeah. Yes. Dude, you should have been there, dude. It was crazy.

[Salim]

What else do you like to do for fun? You drink or.

[MMA Guru]

No, I don't drink. No. I used to a lot. I used to drink and smoke and do all of that, but once I got a glimpse, they're like, oh, this can actually be something. I was like, everything else.

[Salim]

So how do you, like, monetize your stuff now by, like, live streaming?

[MMA Guru]

Live streaming? I don't know. You've probably seen the super chats on my live is every second. Bing, bing, bing. 5, 10. 5, 10.

[Steiny]

You upload a lot, man.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, like recently.

[Salim]

How long you been at YouTube?

[MMA Guru]

Since 2018. Late 2018. There's been a slow build, but yeah, I'm sir. I'm set now. If I live minimalistic, I'm sir. So now I'm just sort of chasing luck.

[Salim]

You gotta come to a fight, though.

[MMA Guru]

I've got to come to a fight. What kind of fight should I go to then? What ones are you going to?

[Salim]

Soon we're gonna go to this one. The first one.

[MMA Guru]

The first one. Oh, yeah. UFC 324. Yeah, yeah. What one could I go? I know they're doing UFC London in March. I could go to a UFC London, but I know I'm getting jumped at a UFC event by Dagestanis. They're going to be hopping the railings, all, like, signaling each other. They'll come storming down like SHIELD in wwe.

[Salim]

Gabe does all the ticket requests.

[MMA Guru]

Nice.

[Steiny]

Why don't you record one, man?

[MMA Guru]

That's crazy.

[Steiny]

You've never been to one.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I'll go to ufc. Maybe I'll go to UFC London.

[Kyle]

Why don't you just wear a disguise?

[MMA Guru]

What, like a fake glasses or some shave? I would be. I would be.

[Salim]

That'd be a banger video on your channel.

[MMA Guru]

Yes.

[Salim]

And you ask people what you think of MMA Guru as fighters.

[Kyle]

If we're there, though.

[Steiny]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle]

I'm telling the daggies that that's you because for entertainment, we got to be entertained.

[MMA Guru]

Wow. Steiny weaseling away around. Oh, wow.

[Kyle]

Don't you dare use that word with me, my boy.

[MMA Guru]

Why is that a trigger word for you, Weasel? Let's hear it a lot.

[Kyle]

I've heard it. I've heard it quite a bit. Yeah, well, I want to give the fans what they want, bro. We want to make the UFC bigger. You want to get MMA Guru gets jumped. Every Dagestani in the arena. That sounds like a good headline.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, that's a crazy headline, dude. That's. I like the way you think.

[Kyle]

Yeah. And then you'll get a couple reaction videos, and then there's more money for you.

[MMA Guru]

What else you guys got going on, Stoney, Any big guests coming up soon on your pod?

[Kyle]

No, not really.

[MMA Guru]

You've become something in this, right? Everyone who joins Nelk, they get on heavily. I know, right away. Definitely a Salim at first. This is probably going to be your best episode in the comments w Salim.

[Steiny]

He actually I get on a lot.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, I can see that a little bit.

[Salim]

Whenever someone joins now Nelk, they get roasted. Definitely. Because I think everyone. Everyone that watches wants to join Nelk.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they want to be the guy and they feel like, well, they want it.

[Salim]

They would love to join. So they're like, why does this guy get to join?

[Steiny]

Yeah, like, why does this bug eye lemur looking dude join Nelk? That's what they're thinking, right?

[MMA Guru]

So, yeah, King Julian from Madagascar type of vibe. So they were calling you a lima.

[Steiny]

Like, no, no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, yeah, like, they're just like, why? Why is he in it?

[MMA Guru]

They might give you a couple w psylliums for understanding MMA stuff. Well, you know, what's that question from so, well, dude, Makashev McGregor, I make.

[Kyle]

It really clear that I don't know. I just watch for fun. Is that okay with you? Do I have to know every fighter their weight?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. He's trying to talk about the comments.

[Kyle]

Oh, no, But I'm just saying, like, I've seen your stuff, obviously, but there is a strong audience that look at us. Maybe me specifically, like, this kid doesn't know, and I could understand when we're at the fight and we've got good seats, or like you said, we're hanging out with Dana for a Die Hard fan, they might not like that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Because you're, like, privileged despite not being too big of fans.

[Kyle]

Yes. And we get some privileges that other people don't, so I understand that.

[Salim]

I mean, personally, for me, every time I'm at a fight still, I'm still like, yo, I don't know how the I'm here.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Like, even I. I know a great relationship we have with Dana, but I'm still. Every time, I'm like, this is crazy.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Every time.

[MMA Guru]

Doesn't it feel like a bit like a simulation when you guys do that type of though? Yeah. When you finally get there, like when.

[Salim]

Steve, Fight island was the craziest, like, craziest two weeks of my life.

[MMA Guru]

Is that when it all took off for you guys? You guys became proper?

[Salim]

You know, we had our following. You've been watching. Yeah, we had our following, but I think when we got, let's say, mainstream more, where everyone know us was, I think probably that because we went from Fight island, and in the same two weeks, we were on Air Force One with Trump.

[Steiny]

Yeah. So you still cool with Demetrius Johnson?

[MMA Guru]

Oh, my God. The whole podcast cancellation of the DJ.

[Steiny]

Pod, was that because the Dagistani and that because he's cool with them or.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, I get it, though. I actually get it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

He basically said, you got. Yo, you got to tone it down if you're gonna continue on the the pod with me. And I get that because he trains with these guys. Yeah. So he's gonna walk into a gym with, like, Dagestani guys, and then it's gonna be like, hey, you guru say, we are in Bread. You agree?

[Steiny]

Perfect.

[MMA Guru]

They're gonna 100 corner him and ask him that in the gym. These guys don't play about that disrespect. So I was like, no, no, no, what do you guys think about the current live streamers like Clav and all of these guys coming up? Because you were in that position a couple years ago and now there's this new generation.

[Salim]

It's a whole new world now. Kickstream, it's tough to keep up with.

[Kyle]

It's clipping culture has just completely changed the game.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. It's kind of though, don't you think?

[Salim]

Kind of like one big reality show. I think now. And everyone has their different. Like the reality show airs on cloud stream and then it airs on this stream.

[Kyle]

It's just like the way that I look at it is just over the years filming with Nelk, we'd have to put it. We would put in like a week or two of filming and then you get the final product. And nowadays you can just go stream daily and go get that same virality for you. So you almost don't need to put in that crazy traveling effort, collab effort anymore to get that same kind of notoriety.

[MMA Guru]

I kind of see the clips of these guys and I think, oh, this might be like. This seems like an entertaining situation. And then you watch their stream and it's like, oh, that came after an hour of just the most boring I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Kyle]

There's a lot of them that are pretty funny though.

[MMA Guru]

Nothing. They are. Some of them are funny.

[Kyle]

Aiden's good. Neon's really good. I think Clav's pretty fun.

[MMA Guru]

Aiden and Neon, you find them entertaining in themselves? Neon especially.

[Kyle]

I do, I think. And he's also. Dude, he's one of the hardest working guys.

[Salim]

I'll be honest. I'm not watching a full stream unless it's something like a crazy ass collab.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

But I'll see their clips and I think they're. I think they're funny. I mean claps some of the. He says. They're just saying. Absurd now though too, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they're just saying. I don't.

[Salim]

It's entertaining though.

[MMA Guru]

I don't believe anything he says. That Clav guy.

[Kyle]

What? In what regard? I've met him before.

[Steiny]

You don't agree with like looks maxing.

[MMA Guru]

Well, I don't know, maybe I should agree with it a little bit, to be honest with you. I could use some of that. But I just feel like Clav is. He definitely says some just to like know that people are going to dunk on him for it, bone smash him. I don't.

[Kyle]

I'll tell you what, I agree with you. But he does everything he says.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Yeah. How do you know, I went to his place.

[MMA Guru]

Oh. And in that moment, going to his place, everything he says is now true.

[Kyle]

Well, we talked about it without all the podcast and. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. He stands on that. Bone smashing.

[MMA Guru]

I actually kind of agree with that.

[Salim]

What does that mean?

[Kyle]

Smashes his bones to get his jawline better.

[Salim]

Oh, with what?

[Kyle]

With a hammer.

[MMA Guru]

Oh.

[Kyle]

He told me his mom used to come in his room and confiscate the hammer.

[Steiny]

He's like getting jaw surgery or something where he's moving his jaw.

[MMA Guru]

Like, I don't know. I don't believe it's getting that. That. That would be crazy. I do think some of it, there's like a hint of truth and then they just make it the most extreme thing ever. You're not going to change your look that dramatically off of doing it. Maybe you can make some like minute changes to yourself by doing that type of. But I don't know. That's some. That's some crazy.

[Salim]

It's crazy.

[MMA Guru]

Have you guys ever tried helping on test or anything like that in your time?

[Salim]

Test?

[Kyle]

Thought about it every day of my life. But no.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, no.

[Kyle]

Have you?

[MMA Guru]

No, never. I can never. Yeah. I have this weird thing where I'm gonna be the guy that dies. Even when you're younger and your friends are doing illegal and you're like, I just know if I did that, the police are going to pull up around the corner. Like I'm. It's like this weird main character thing where if it's gonna happen, it will happen to me. Paranoid. So I'm not risking that. Yeah.

[Salim]

Who's one streamer you like and one you don't like?

[MMA Guru]

I've never watched a stream. You ever sat there and watched like a full.

[Kyle]

I have.

[MMA Guru]

Live.

[Kyle]

I watched, as it happens, Drew Ski and Kevin Hart. And I will tell you, it was one of the most entertaining things I thought I'd watch 15 minutes. I watched like three hours.

[MMA Guru]

Wow. Dude, what the.

[Kyle]

What do you have to say about that? Computer warrior.

[MMA Guru]

You sat there, watch a whole Kaisernach. How old are you? Steining.

[Kyle]

All right, here we go. 31.

[MMA Guru]

Then you sat there because I'm interested. So here we go, bro.

[Kyle]

But you're not the most entertaining thing I've ever seen. I didn't say that. I said I thought I'd watch 15 minutes. I watched three hours. But you have to, like, you have to look at it. Kai, Kevin Hart, Juicy. They're all massive personalities on the Internet.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

So them all being together was entertaining.

[Salim]

They're pretty funny.

[Kyle]

Together. Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

I don't know. I've never watched any streams like that. You know, I find quite funny. Maybe you should have them on here. You know, Ed Matthews HS tiki talking.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

They have some funny.

[Kyle]

They're UK guys, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they are UK guys. You with Ed?

[Kyle]

I do, yeah. There's also the risk when they go out and stream. Like, those guys get in fights and that's.

[MMA Guru]

I don't know how these. More.

[Salim]

More.

[MMA Guru]

These streamers ain't in jail, but I feel like live streaming is just like. Makes you immune to the law more in some of these cases.

[Salim]

And you're kind of like you're in GTA just going out looking for an altercation. Right.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they're definitely looking for.

[Salim]

Because that's what goes viral.

[Steiny]

Characters.

[Salim]

It's an interesting world.

[Kyle]

Aiden's boy yesterday was in a shooting.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, I was on stream for that.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Like, it's bizarre in the car. Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Where he bro.

[Kyle]

That you're also giving up your location. So there's. And when a lot of these streamers now are kind of talking.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

With starting beefs with people and they go out and they stream and you can find out where you are if you aim the camera a certain way. So.

[MMA Guru]

But I thought that was fake. I was sitting there laughing on stream and apparently one of them got shot in their heads.

[Steiny]

They were all like the guy on the far right.

[MMA Guru]

On the right. Yeah. So that's really bad. Look, for me, I think I thought, you know, I thought it was all like a fake show. Like. Oh, really? Someone got shot in the head. Cool. What's on the next episode of Aiden Ross. Someone else gonna get shot in their leg this time.

[Kyle]

It's tough to of like decipher what's real and what's not.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

You don't really know until the next day. But I mean, Clive hit somebody with.

[MMA Guru]

A car and he's good because it was streamed.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

I don't know. No.

[Salim]

Right.

[Steiny]

He's like. Is he dead?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I hope so.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I hope.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

That's crazy.

[Kyle]

How many people. When you do your live streams, how.

[MMA Guru]

Many people are in there on like a daily thing? Not that many. I feel like I'm. Wait. My fame is like. I don't have fame. I'm kind of. I'm not. I'm not relevant, but for some reason I'm relevant in like, the really weirdly right. Niches.

[Kyle]

Yes.

[MMA Guru]

Because everyone watches the ufc, so I. I don't think I'm like, in any way relevant, but I'm on, like, why the. Am I on full send? I have, like, 3K viewers on, like, a regular live day. And then when I go on the fight companions, that's when it goes crazy. That's when I got 20, 30, 40K.

[Kyle]

That's.

[MMA Guru]

Everyone's in there. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. That's kind of weird to imagine. Like the Tom Aspinall, Cyril Garden thing, when he got appos, I fluctuated from 25k to about 41k.

[Salim]

What's next for him?

[MMA Guru]

Tom Aspinall, I mean, getting his vision back, bumping into at the moment. Probably gonna have to definitely get his vision back. That's a big thing.

[Kyle]

How bad do you want to get at Nina Drama?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

What's up? I know you find her attractive.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, she's hot. I'm straight. I'm not.

[Steiny]

You guys have. Do you guys have some. I. I think you guys went at each other, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, we went at each other.

[Kyle]

What'd you go at her for?

[MMA Guru]

You know, what was it?

[Steiny]

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, explain.

[Kyle]

Is this like a thing where you don't think you could get her, so you just have no choice but to go at her?

[MMA Guru]

No.

[Steiny]

Oh, my God.

[MMA Guru]

Those things where I was just like, Because I can't her, I'll insult her massively. But she. She said, oh, I basically made a fat joke about this women reporter who was fat. And as a fat person, I think that's like, my word. So it's like our culture. So no one's going to tell me who I can and can't call fat. It's like the N word, Salem, you know what I mean? Like, I have to give people. It's our culture. No one's going to dictate to me whether or not I can call her fat. But she had a meltdown about it. About it. So she had a meltdown saying, I'm the worst person. Sky, it's a shame we have to share the earth with you. I was like, I made a fat joke about a woman. That's not that bad. And then you're hanging around with Jon Jones, who put hands on women. Like, what? Where your morality really lies is crazy. So she started trashing me. So I just made a video just exposing that she's a hypocrite. Most of my videos exposing these guys are just like, this is where you're a hypocrite mixed in with some, like, colorful words that are descriptive of some things. So I called her some names and then she cried in a hotel. Room. She sent a video basically, in a hotel room with like tears in her eyes.

[Kyle]

She sent it to you or she posted it.

[MMA Guru]

She posted it on Twitter, but it was directed at me. You know who you are. This one's for you. It was kind of hot, to be honest with you, in like a weird way. It was kind of hot but sick. But yeah, she started in like trashing me in this like 10 minute long crying session. I didn't even make a response to that one though, because I felt okay.

[Kyle]

So being the UFC expert, you don't think she does a good job with. With her interviews and the popularity for the sport, or you don't like that?

[MMA Guru]

I think her interviews are good. MMA media's most of the. You got. You probably know this, right? About the press conferences. Most MMA media members are on the short bus, I reckon. Like there's. They have some proper backwards brains. They're so dumb with the questions that they are. So I think Nina does provide some kind of difference.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Salim]

In that she gets eyeballs.

[MMA Guru]

She definitely gets eyeballs.

[Salim]

Her IG views go crazy because she.

[Steiny]

Gets like 6,5 million views per vid.

[Kyle]

Even more.

[MMA Guru]

That is insane. And it's not even like a funny video. Sometimes she'll post like a mobile game ad style. Sure. On it.

[Steiny]

Yeah. And it would get like four.

[Kyle]

Well, I think a lot of the fans also find her very attractive.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but there's a lot of attractive women and they're not getting 40 million.

[Kyle]

Views, but they're talking. She's talking about their favorite sport.

[MMA Guru]

That's true, that's true. Don't you think there's also like a bit of lack of fan, like, oh, I wonder if the fight is her type of thing that like, I think.

[Kyle]

Everyone thinks about that.

[MMA Guru]

That. Is that what you think about when you see an in a drama vid?

[Kyle]

No, I don't.

[MMA Guru]

No, not every. You do a little bit.

[Salim]

That's probably part of her allure that.

[MMA Guru]

She'S that attractive around men on the planet.

[Kyle]

Didn't Tom Aspinall ask her if she's ever been fingered or some.

[Salim]

That was crazy.

[Steiny]

Yeah. Yo, that was abs. What did he say? What did he say about that after? I mean, what was it like?

[MMA Guru]

Cuz his reasoning for that line, there was like a reason for it to be fair. Yeah. Why? They were doing an interview and he went, you ever been fingered by an MMA fighter before? What would it take?

[Salim]

Not even bang.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

He's like, I think fingers, honestly, in.

[Kyle]

That context, is more aggressive.

[Salim]

Fingered is more aggressive than banged yeah, it is.

[MMA Guru]

It's almost finger.

[Kyle]

It's just like.

[MMA Guru]

It was less consensual in a weird way. Like, I don't know how that that evolved. It used to be profiled when it came out. But, yeah, the reason he gave for it is that before the interview, she said, oh, I get loads of dms, like, asking me crazy questions. They were, like, talking about this off camera, and she was saying some of them asked me things like if I've ever been by MMA fighters or fingered by them. Them. So in the. In the interview, he went, have you ever been fingered by an MMA fighter?

[Steiny]

What would it take?

[MMA Guru]

And then. Yeah, what would it take? That's. What would it take? What would it take as a crazy. But he was referencing the crazy questions.

[Kyle]

Yes.

[MMA Guru]

On Instagram, but obviously it just came off context. Yeah. If Strickland was an NBA player.

[Kyle]

Oh, he'd be gone over. He'd be overseas.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. He'd be playing.

[Kyle]

Well, I think about that too, because when I, like when I pay attention to, like, Dylan Dan. And so in the Logan Paul build up, Danis is saying some crazy stuff. And then I remember when we were at the Colby Covington Leon Edwards presser, he made the comment about his dad, and there's such a, like, divide between. That was crazy. That was hard to watch. I thought it was a little too far. I like Colby, but I was like, damn, bro. And you saw how Leon reacted. He was hurt by that.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

But then you have 50 of the MMA fans saying it's part of the fight game, and then fighters saying, dude, you took that way too far. Far.

[Salim]

It can still be part of the fight game, but be too far. I think. Well, he's allowed to say it, but you can also say it's too far.

[Kyle]

What's your opinion?

[MMA Guru]

What, On Colby saying we're gonna meet your dad in hell when we're there, or something like that. Yeah, Cole, that was just. You know what it is about Colby? It's just such a blunt line. It's not even creative. Like, I'm just go, you know, drag you to the seventh layer of hair hell. And he corrects it in that. On the moment where maybe we'll say, what's up to your dad. That's a crazy too far moment. Moment. But then he loses the fight, and it's like, oh, wow, Leon got his own back.

[Steiny]

And people had him winning that, huh?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Because Edwards has been out grappled a few times before, but I had Leon Edwards winning that one. Because if Usman can't do it. Can Colby do it? That's crazy. Edwards was like, beating all these, like, really great names, and now you look at him and you think, man. Well, that's how quickly changed.

[Salim]

You just got knocked out.

[Steiny]

Remember we watched that, the head kick he did. And then from there we're like, okay, Usman's gonna get it back. And then Leon wins that one. And then Leon wins another one.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, he wins another one. It's Usman. Makashev would be sick. But, yeah, they should do it.

[Salim]

I feel like they're gonna do it.

[MMA Guru]

They shouldn't do it, though. Respect the rankings. Makashev. Ian, Gary too.

[Steiny]

No.

[Kyle]

What do you think about.

[MMA Guru]

That's McGregor. Habib.

[Kyle]

No, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Even though Ian Gary's like a gay, lame version of McGregor and Gary is.

[Steiny]

Khabib and Connor too.

[MMA Guru]

No, not like, not like that.

[Steiny]

But you're. You're kind of comparing it, but it's.

[MMA Guru]

Ireland versus Dagestan part two. That's a sale.

[Steiny]

I think Luzman has the best. I think he should be the one next fighting because, like, I just don't want to see another fight where, like, he just takes down Gary. He's going to take him down, and that's what's gonna happen. It's just.

[Kyle]

That's another situation where I just think you're wrong about, like, the Dana stuff. Like, even Ian Gary had to go through hearing so much about his wife. Like, it's. You can literally do and say whatever you want, and the freedom is so under. Not appreciated, but it's almost unnoticed. Like, you can literally do whatever the you want.

[MMA Guru]

But I'm not wrong about that, though, because I never disagreed with that. Steinhe. So I never. I never disagreed with. I just think it's wrong because you're allowed to say whatever you want. You're like, refuting a point I didn't even make.

[Kyle]

I think it's hard to perfect a guy, like, in a situation like that is what I'm saying.

[MMA Guru]

I understand. But as a MMA hardcore fan, for the most hardcore fans out there.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

And they see a shitty, low effort production of a fight on, like, a fight announcement, I'm gonna sit there and say this is. He did that. He could do that better now. Yeah. That's what makes Dana good at his job is because he gets backlash and he's like, damn, they didn't like that. All right, maybe next time I'll do this a bit better next time.

[Kyle]

And would you agree that the best presser ever is Conor Jose Aldo?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. In Ireland, where they were chanting for McGregor.

[Kyle]

When the fan started chanting and they did the song and everyone got in, I was like, those are the moments. I agree with you. I just like miss like. That's so crazy and unique and you'll never. It seems like you'll never say that again.

[Steiny]

I don't think they'll never be.

[Kyle]

GSP actually told us this. He was like, a pori has a.

[Salim]

Really good chance of being like a massive, massive, massive star.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. And he needs a B side trash talker like Pimlet who's going to say some crazy to him. That that could be something. But I know what you mean about the old press conferences being way crazy. They used to like get up and fight each other, throw hands.

[Kyle]

Well, GSP told us. He was like, that's the only time I've seen a press conference win the fight.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

He's like, Conor won that fight when he won the press conference.

[Salim]

I love a good press conference.

[MMA Guru]

Yes. I love it. Did you see Strickland when he was trashing Adesanya?

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

No, man, it beats off the cartoons.

[Steiny]

He's going to.

[Salim]

I did like Colby and Usman's press conferences too.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, Colby does well.

[Salim]

Cuz Colby and Usman were going back. That was good. I love good press conference.

[MMA Guru]

Is the fight.

[Salim]

Sometimes it's better than the fight.

[Kyle]

I agree.

[MMA Guru]

I agree it is. When Colby was saying, what are you going to do? Your tribe's going to send smoke signals. Watching back at home, he's like, what the is Colby saying up there? The craziest lines ever. Just the best.

[Steiny]

What do you say about when he said he calls him the king of ep.

[Kyle]

What did he say?

[MMA Guru]

The CEO of epo, Marty Fake newsman Marty Juice.

[Steiny]

That's creative, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Marty from Nebraska.

[Salim]

Because that was trash.

[MMA Guru]

That was. Well, his name.

[Steiny]

Usman's real name is Marty.

[MMA Guru]

No, Usman's real name is Kamaru. When he was at Smarteen. Yeah, Kamaru Dean Mohammed Usman or something like that. But at school in America, he was called martyr. Even Ben Askren, you remember Ben Askrenees, of course, get well soon. Ben Askren, you know, recovering from the lung stuff. But he was at press conferences talking mad.

[Kyle]

Really?

[MMA Guru]

He was there for a while, right. He was riling up everyone and everyone was getting involved. All it takes is one of them to start talking and the rest of them feel the energy of it and they start trying to join in and go back and forth as well. But nowadays you get Volk sitting up there saying, you know, looking forward to the fight on Saturday and we'll see what happens.

[Steiny]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Salim]

That's what we'll see.

[MMA Guru]

Even though I like Volk, you know, even Holloway does it. We on find out Saturday night. And that's all you get from Holloway as well.

[Steiny]

Who else can you do?

[Kyle]

What about.

[MMA Guru]

Can you.

[Kyle]

Wait, can you do Nate Diaz?

[MMA Guru]

Hold up. Talking. What?

[Kyle]

I love Nate. Nice. Him. Do you like him?

[MMA Guru]

I love that I like Nate Diaz.

[Steiny]

What's the asp one? Do as. That one's really good.

[MMA Guru]

Aspen. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

You ever been fingered by a UFC fighter? What would it take? Yeah, that's as. Hello, John. Nice to. How's it going? Yeah, I have a weird thing for voices. I can get them. I can get a lot of ufc.

[Steiny]

Who's the best one you could do in person? Cuz I've seen.

[Kyle]

Wait, we haven't Even heard your McGregor, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Shoot your mouth, bro. You might feel of a. Shut up, man. That's good. You don't know him. You come to my be, bro. Yeah, smoke him. He goes crazy with it.

[Steiny]

Do Islam. Okay.

[MMA Guru]

I can't do those guys. Just do the dag, brother. You talk. I don't know, man. This guy crazy. You guys don't know this guy. Don't even get him. First Nation don't get him, bro. I like when I can, brother. When he got a bit sus with it. You seen that in the edits.

[Kyle]

Who was he talking to when he said that?

[Steiny]

Oliver was the Oliver ol. Where DC was asking him like. Or he was like, brother, he won't be. He won't be mad if he lose one more time.

[MMA Guru]

Yes. He's like, this guy. Don't talk English. I don't get him, bro. You have to try. You have to try. Talk.

[Kyle]

Well, dude, Khabib McGregor was the greatest press conference. I mean, that was a little. That was dark because it got personal and it got like people didn't know how deep or what they were talking about. I still to this day don't even know.

[Steiny]

I watch that back sometimes. I'm like.

[Kyle]

Because Dana got uncomfortable fight so many times. Wow.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

But like, Dana's like, all right, Connor. Like. And he says to Ali, Ali, chill. So, you know, they were talking about some stuff that we don't even know about. Maybe you do.

[MMA Guru]

When it gets into the teams, that's when it's real.

[Steiny]

That's the end.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. When they start go. Because there's team rivalries in mma big time. You know, has this right now. You might know Yair Rodriguez, Diego Lopez.

[Steiny]

Yeah, they don't like each other.

[MMA Guru]

They hate each other because one of their guys got jumped outside a gym in Brazil. Mexico. So there's like real.

[Steiny]

It's like a Mexican Brazil.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Once it gets into the teams and like Mexicans, like disowned Diego at one point. You're not real Mexican. You're actually Brazilian. You don't speak for us. And when Diego starts winning, all of a sudden it's. And then they.

[Steiny]

They went back and forth at each other.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they were. McGregor was going to Ali Abdelaziz a lot.

[Kyle]

I mean, have you seen when Danny even talks about. They loaded up the G5, they flew to New York and then McGregor threw the chair through the bus. Like that's. It's so insane. And it's at a different level of like, that's the hatred. That.

[MMA Guru]

Bro.

[Steiny]

It was so crazy. People thought that was staged at one point.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Like, that's how crazy that.

[Kyle]

That.

[Steiny]

That bus incident, that whole like, wow, that was.

[Kyle]

I would like to see Dublin versus Dagestan. Dagestan would probably have that. Because you have. Dublin would be pretty hammered.

[MMA Guru]

I just said Ian Gary Makachev and you shut it off. But now all of a sudden someone wants to see Dublin versus Dagestan.

[Kyle]

Okay, go ahead with it.

[MMA Guru]

No, he said this. Were you wrong about Dana?

[Kyle]

Okay, continue with your Ian Gary.

[MMA Guru]

No, no, I don't want to. Did I ruin your mom and Gary? I'm not trying to promote that Game Boy.

[Kyle]

Why don't you like Ian Gary?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

You have a problem because he trashed me. Yeah. I need friends to sue me as well for defamation. So I can't have to chew a bit about that. I'm like. A lot of people threaten to see me for even Rampage Jackson. I know he's in. I'm supposed to be. Are you guys going to RAF wrestling?

[Salim]

No. Is that tonight?

[MMA Guru]

No, dude.

[Kyle]

Contest is tonight.

[Salim]

I know. Forgot about that.

[MMA Guru]

Right? Yeah. That's a big. There's going to be a lot of Arman's there. Aiden Ross is going there. Everyone's going there. Bo Nickel was off.

[Salim]

How are they getting away with that? Like active fighters fighting in that.

[MMA Guru]

Cuz it's not MMA there. But they couldn't do striking, so I don't know how they get.

[Salim]

So maybe in the contract it has.

[Steiny]

They specifically can't do striking in the raf?

[Salim]

No.

[Kyle]

Like for.

[MMA Guru]

No. It's a wrestling event.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Can you. Can you break down the Arman versus the Sahara? Sarah the Bullet. What's his name?

[MMA Guru]

Shara Magomedov.

[Kyle]

Yeah, they did the re Wrestling thing recently, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. But it went to a draw because there was no one allowed to win in the contract.

[Kyle]

But they still make. Don't they make real money from that?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, they make bank, bro. These oil money goes crazy over there. They got crazy. You know they have Jones D.C. on Russian tough.

[Salim]

No, that's what.

[Steiny]

Think about that.

[MMA Guru]

Saying, what do I think about that?

[Steiny]

Yeah, like it does. They. They don't like each other.

[MMA Guru]

They do not like. I think that's something you got to watch. I think Dana might try and get that cancelled, though. How they pulling that off of that bar?

[Steiny]

Still asked him and he was like, huh?

[MMA Guru]

Yes. The guy on. He was like, ah, they're doing that. I've been in Fiji for two weeks. They're actually pulling that off. Huh? All right, That's Dana's language for I'm going to shut that down real quick because that ain't happening without me.

[Salim]

I don't think. I don't think they could, though my profit.

[MMA Guru]

I know.

[Salim]

How could they do that if Jones is not fighting? They. He could. They couldn't shut it down.

[Steiny]

They should have done an ultimate fighter.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, but don't they kind of own the fighters in that way, like their image and stuff like that?

[Salim]

No.

[MMA Guru]

You don't think Dana has a problem with Russian randoms profiting off dc?

[Salim]

I think he has a problem with it, but I don't think they could shut it down.

[MMA Guru]

I reckon they.

[Salim]

I mean, if active fighters are wrestling, I don't think they could shut Jon Jones down for pretty much doing like, what's an acting almost role.

[MMA Guru]

I guess so they're kind of acting.

[Salim]

But they're probably not happy about it.

[MMA Guru]

They're definitely.

[Steiny]

Why would.

[Salim]

Why would they be happy?

[MMA Guru]

But you just chapped in a quick Dana fight. Fight. Dana White defense line there as well.

[Salim]

I just think like a businessman, too. It's pretty. I mean, why would he. Why would he be ecstatic about it? Right?

[MMA Guru]

How's your transition to businessman of Nelk from the funny goofy times? Because now you.

[Salim]

I mean, I've always been business behind the scenes.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, true.

[Salim]

I ran the business of Nel since pretty much day one.

[MMA Guru]

I mean, but now it's different.

[Salim]

I mean, not really. You're like, pretty much the same, bro.

[MMA Guru]

Proper business, though now compared to like, oh, we sold it, we did a merch drop. Guys buying it now it's like, this is.

[Salim]

But business back then was. Our business back then was good too, bro.

[MMA Guru]

It was booming when you did the merch Drop. I need to sell beanies. That's what I'm going to do next.

[Salim]

That's when. I mean, we're making a lot of money back then, too.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. All right.

[Salim]

But on camera.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

We're kind of just goofing around righting around here.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Keep donating. Guys, we don't have. We're just living in a car. Meanwhile, millions raking in behind.

[Kyle]

You got to start somewhere.

[MMA Guru]

We were, bro. A lot of people did, so.

[Kyle]

Well, I'd love to see your house.

[MMA Guru]

It's nice. Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

[Salim]

Did you ever cop some Mary merch?

[MMA Guru]

Cop some merch from the Network Boys? No, I don't buy merch. I bought one merch ages ago from some YouTuber and it was. And all the artwork peeled off of it in the wash. So I don't trust merch.

[Kyle]

I'm not saying that's what he always sold quality.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah. Yeah, always.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it was good.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it was good. It was good. No, I never bought no merch, but I watched it back when you had the other guy on nelk.

[Salim]

Jesse.

[MMA Guru]

No, not Jesse, the other guy. Lucas. Yeah.

[Salim]

You're really.

[MMA Guru]

When Lucas was on Milk and you guys were just going into random stores and getting kicked out. Out. That was lit. That was like some early dating. That's crazy, because it's like YouTube is more of a dense following, Right.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Anyone can see an Instagram reel or a Twitter virality, but when you're watching YouTube on the comments. Those were the days.

[Salim]

I mean, the Internet's changed so much now.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Since, like, telling people to subscribe, like, subscribe was like a.

[MMA Guru]

The big thing. Yeah, big thing. I don't tell people to subscribe. If they want to, they can. I don't really give a. If you ask them to, it's kind of like big a nap.

[Steiny]

Well, back then, like, subscribe was a. Like, everybody would hit subscribe rather than.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Right.

[Salim]

So there's no incentive to subscribe anymore.

[MMA Guru]

YouTube was like a niche thing. Now it's the main.

[Salim]

Well, YouTube used to only show your subscriber feed.

[MMA Guru]

Oh, wow. That's crazy.

[Salim]

Remember that or. No.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, it kind of did.

[Salim]

Your homepage would literally be your sub.

[MMA Guru]

Box that you subscribe to.

[Salim]

And now it's obviously more like Tik Tok or Instagram, where it's. They're just giving you anything.

[Steiny]

Instagram's Tik Tok Tock now.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

I mean, if you think about it as far as, like, how people post Tiktoks of putting like, you know, captions on the screen. I see that way more on Instagram. It's just turning into it a bit.

[MMA Guru]

I don't really make tick tocks though. I don't do that side of things. I think I might help or anything. No, I don't post. People post clips of me saying crazy on there.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

And they get crazy views. But I don't want to be kind of known. Like if someone recognizes me, I want it to be because he watches my content, not just because he saw some clip of me somewhere. And therefore now I got to deal with him talking to me at a airport. Airport. Like if there's an actual fan, I will entertain a great conversation with them. Yeah, but it's very rare.

[Salim]

Did you get recognized here?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, this. What's the museums. I went to one of these museums. It had like a grounds and like this massive gardens to it. Nez Ko or something like that. Mezcal or something like that. I was going there. I got recognized there by this old. This older couple and this younger couple there.

[Salim]

You're probably gonna get recognized hella tonight.

[MMA Guru]

Now on the Aiden Ross thing. Yeah, if I go to raf wrestling, there'll definitely be some people there.

[Salim]

Is this your first like fight of event?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Oh, you're going to get.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Steiny]

Streaming at all.

[MMA Guru]

Something will happen. I was supposed to have a cameraman coming soon, but he flaked on me. So we'll see what happens with that.

[Salim]

Do you want to pay 90 a day rate to go with you? I can cover it for you if you want. You want to take them?

[MMA Guru]

Oh, no, I know early nine understandings of who. Don't know if I want him lingering around, you know, like catch a case. Catch a little nine zero case over there. Are you guys. You guys good though? Yeah, I know. Back in the mix.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Everything cleared up. Everything nice and sound now.

[Salim]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Nice.

[Kyle]

No Snapchat on that phone. We make sure it's removed.

[MMA Guru]

No Snapchat on the phone. Yeah, yeah. Snapchat's for teenagers, bro.

[Salim]

Signal only.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Stop it.

[Salim]

All right, well I think this is great.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it's good to meet you.

[MMA Guru]

Nice to meet you, Stein.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

What's this energy between us, man?

[Kyle]

No, it's just funny.

[Steiny]

Well, watching you. I said before, but watching a lot of people.

[Kyle]

People really don't know what you look like or who you are. I feel like. Yeah, because your profile picture too on X is like gray, right?

[MMA Guru]

No, it's like a beanie logo.

[Kyle]

Yeah, but it's not your face.

[MMA Guru]

So. Yeah, it's not my face. My face. No. Case, girl.

[Salim]

We need to see a us fight this year.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah.

[Salim]

Maybe you want to come let us know.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I'll go. Maybe a White House card. Maybe I'll show up to the White House card. I don't know if I'm rich enough yet to be in the crowd there, but one of them type of events.

[Kyle]

Did they announce long London?

[Salim]

No, the White House. Gotta secure your seats, right?

[Kyle]

Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna be attending that. Maybe I'll come watch it with you.

[Steiny]

You're a Patty fan too, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I am a Patty fan.

[Steiny]

You think Patty beats Gaichi? I don't think he does.

[Kyle]

Dude, you're so scared to run into a daggie. It's so obvious.

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. They aren't gonna mess around.

[Kyle]

Dude, it's like so obvious, bro. You'd be at a UFC fight. It's gotta be your big moment.

[MMA Guru]

So. Though I can't really upload frequently out here or do streams too frequently. So it doesn't get back to business. Yeah, I gotta get back to the grinds.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[MMA Guru]

Daily videos, games. Yeah, I miss the grand. Feels good to be productive. It's like the best endorphins.

[Salim]

But you got some good down here too, right?

[MMA Guru]

Yeah, I guess. I got thrown down by Armin. That's. That's pretty good. It's good work. Good work by me. I let him do that. It was good.

[Salim]

Awesome.

[Kyle]

All right. Sick. Thank you, bro.