Oz Pearlman | Ep. 172

Summary

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FULL SEND PODCAST – Oz Pearlman | Ep. 172

Date: October 30, 2025
Podcast Network: Shots Podcast Network
Guest: Oz Pearlman ("Oz the Mentalist")
Hosts: Kyle, Gabriel, Zach

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Episode Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into the astonishing world of mentalism, featuring renowned mentalist Oz Pearlman. The hosts challenge Oz with live mentalism demonstrations—guessing personal information, PIN codes, and more. Beyond the mind-blowing tricks, the conversation explores Oz’s origins, the psychology behind his craft, ethical boundaries, and the broader applications of mentalism in real life. The tone is lively, humorous, and at times, awestruck as Oz repeatedly stuns the hosts and listeners with feats of mind-reading and psychological insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Oz’s Background & Origins in Magic and Mentalism

• [01:30 – 01:41] Oz reveals he’s been performing full-time for 20 years, leaving a Wall Street job at Merrill Lynch in 2005.
• [01:41 – 01:56] Started as a teen doing traditional magic (cards, coins), then became obsessed and self-taught via books and videos. Transitioned to mentalism—“the magic of the mind.”
  • Quote [01:41]: Oz: “The mentalism is kind of a different—that’s like next level, next level. It’s like magic of the mind.”

2. Magic vs. Mentalism: The Distinction

• [02:10 – 02:22] Oz discusses how mentalists and magicians do different things, comparing their relationship to MMA vs. boxing—overlapping but distinct arts.
• [02:26 – 03:23] Stories from gigs at mob-owned restaurants, dealing with high-stakes audiences, and how hiding methods is crucial in his line of work.

3. Celebrity Moments & Public Skepticism

• Larry David Spoon Trick [02:44 – 03:23]:
  • Oz recounts bending a fancy spoon at a party with Larry David, who responded exactly like his “Curb Your Enthusiasm” persona:
    • Quote [03:16]: Larry David: “Oh, what the hell do you want me to do with the spoon?”
• Joe Rogan Podcast [03:23 – 03:41]:
  • Oz describes Rogan as “definitely a little” bothered by his tricks, but rapport built over the episode.
• Skepticism [03:44 – 03:58]:
  • Oz addresses accusations of setup:
    • Quote [03:44]: “How do you think I can get Joe Burrow to fake something? … Why would he do that?”

4. Handling Failure and Improvisation

• [04:02 – 04:13] Oz admits he’s been wrong many times—especially essential is improvisation so that the audience doesn’t notice.
  • Quote [04:10]: “You just got to improv and keep it…Take the punch straight on, or do you roll into the punch and then just keep going?”

5. Fun with Hosts: Personal Feats of Mentalism

• Happy Dad Photo & Parenting [04:21 – 04:32]:

  • Humorous side stories about drinking at the beach, getting photos for Kyle, and using magic as an icebreaker on dates (“cocktail straw” trick).
  • Quote [05:06]: Oz: “Ultimate. They're gonna teach us that, though. So I do that to my wife on our first date. And she goes, okay, you gonna get me another straw? I'm like, oh, this is not working…”

• High-Stakes Requests - Corporate and Casino Scenes [05:34 – 06:35]:

  • CEOs have asked Oz to analyze M&A negotiations undercover; he’s turned down sleazy offers and explains mentalism isn’t as “all-powerful” as people think.
  • Casinos would ban him before he could “just win.”

• Hosts’ Lucky Numbers and PIN Code Demonstration [06:21–11:47]:

  • Oz leads Gabriel through simulated casino choices, then shockingly reveals Gabriel’s ATM PIN code (“9196”) and the birthday he was thinking about (August 11).
    • Quote [11:24]: Oz: "9196."
    • Quote [11:40]: Oz: "August 11th. Is that the birthday? You're thinking of my mom's birthday, right?”
    • Host Reaction [11:46] Zach: “It really does. It’s crazy.”

6. Ethics & The Scope of Mentalism

• [13:37 – 14:22] Oz’s new book, Read Your Mind (Oct 28), is not about teaching tricks but about mental skills (reading people, negotiation, memory) that can help anyone:
  • Quote [13:50]: “Learn to master the most powerful weapon: your mind.” – David Goggins (book quote)
• [14:13 – 14:42] Practical applications—reading people in business and life.

7. Unscripted Live Mentalism Demos

• Travel Wish Reveal [14:42–17:19]:

  • Oz deduces that Gabriel would pick "Maldives" as his dream destination—shocking both hosts who can’t even find it on a map.
    • Quote [16:25]: Oz: “Tell us all. Where are you going on this trip? Tell me.”
    • Gabriel: “Maldives.”
    • Host reactions: “I’m impressed.”

• Failure Stories & Virality [17:43–19:44]:

  • Oz shares a failed TV trick and how mistakes can go viral, increasing relatability and popularity (e.g., with John Cena and DK Metcalf).

8. Sports, NFL Team-Building, and Team Morale

• [20:28–21:27] Oz now does mind-bending shows for NFL and college football teams at training camps—building camaraderie, rapport, and capturing viral moments:
  • Quote [21:27]: “If you can create the camaraderie, like do some crazy moments, they're laughing, they're back slapping… there's a real value for the coaches.”

9. Impossible Knowledge–More Demos

• Name Reveal of a Friend Over Phone Call [24:07–29:00]:
  • Oz asked hosts to call a friend without naming them; he guesses “Jason” and details of a wild story in Barcelona.
• Dead Friend’s Name/Personal Questions [37:15–44:51]:
  • Oz works through multi-step deduction games, revealing Zach’s late mother’s friend was “Barbara,” leveraging subtle cues:
    • Quote [42:44]: Oz: “A friend named Barbara.”
    • Zach: “Yeah. Good job.”

10. Mentalism & Crime/Law

• [43:05–43:44] Oz on whether he'd participate in CSI-style investigations—noting that reading hardened criminals is hard because high stakes disrupt tells.

11. Grand Finale & Custom Mind Games

• Jersey Numbers Trick [46:55–52:19]:
  • Oz coordinates each host to think of a random date and athlete; the numbers match up miraculously—July 17, 2024 = 7 (Ronaldo), 17 (Ohtani), 24 (Kobe).
    • Quote [52:15]: Oz: “7, 17, 24. It all makes sense.”

12. Practicing and Studying Mentalism

• [54:54–55:05] Oz shares stories about testing tricks “on civilians” like his NYC deli guy, and why he’s sometimes wary to disclose what he does on airplanes.

13. Upcoming Projects & Plug for New Book

• [55:35–56:35]
  • “Read Your Mind” (out October 28) aims to teach life skills, not secrets of magic, and help people understand their own minds for success.
  • Quote [56:07]: “Reading people more effectively is the ultimate cheat code of life. And also reading your own mind…”

14. Endgame: The Value of Improvisation

• Live Mentalism Can’t Always Be Practiced [33:01–34:32]:
  • Mentalism is different from magic—can’t just practice in a mirror; you need real people, and often perform something for the first time on TV.

15. Running, Marathons, and Oz's Fitness

• [60:49–62:15]
  • Oz talks about running his age in miles every birthday, elite marathon times (2:23 marathon, several 50-mile races).
  • Zach: “Couldn’t beat the Kenyans.” Oz: “Fastest Jew. That’s all that counts.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Larry David’s Reaction to a Spoon Bend [03:16]
  “Oh, what the hell do you want me to do with the spoon?” – Larry David, recounted by Oz
• Longevity in the Game [01:30]
  “I’ve been doing this full time for 20 years, which dates me.” – Oz
• Mentalism vs. Magic [02:10]
  “We do a different thing. … It’s the UFC of magic.”
• On Failing Gracefully [04:10]
  “You just keep going. ... Take the punch straight on, or do you roll into the punch and then just keep going?”
• Revealing a PIN Code [11:22]
  “9196.” – Oz, shocking the hosts
• Book Mission Statement [13:50]
  “Learn to master the most powerful weapon: your mind.” – David Goggins (quoted in Oz’s book)

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Highlighted Demos & Segments with Timestamps

• Oz Reveals Gabriel’s ATM PIN Code
  • [09:39–11:47]
• Guessing the Maldives as Dream Destination
  • [14:42–16:37]
• Reading a Secret Over the Phone (Jason)
  • [24:07–29:00]
• Revealing a Deceased Friend’s Name (“Barbara”)
  • [41:04–42:45]
• Hosts’ Custom Chosen Date Matches Athletes’ Jersey Numbers
  • [50:46–52:19]
• Oz on Running and Marathons
  • [60:49–62:15]

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Summary:
This episode showcases Oz Pearlman’s extraordinary abilities as a mentalist, blowing the minds of the Full Send hosts and listeners. The episode is packed with live, unscripted demonstrations of mentalism—guessing PINs, destinations, friends’ names, and intimate details. Oz also dives into the usefulness of mentalist skills in real life—a theme central to his new book—and candidly shares stories of both success and failure, reflecting the importance of improvisation, resilience, and ethical lines in his field. Throughout, the tone is one of incredulity, fun, and camaraderie.

For those interested in learning more:

• Read Your Mind by Oz Pearlman (October 28, 2025) — practical advice on reading people and oneself, not a trick tutorial.
• Oz continues to perform at high-profile events, NFL team camps, and has upcoming TV and book projects.

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The Full Send crew remains awestruck and skeptical but ultimately convinced:

• “I have no explanation for that. It’s impossible.” – Kyle [21:27]
• “That’s crazy, bro. Now I’m impressed. That’s nuts.” – Gabriel [52:37]

Final note – Oz on reading minds:

• “Reading people more effectively is the ultimate cheat code of life. And also reading your own mind, knowing what’s holding you back…” – [56:07]

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Listen if you want:

• Unique, interactive demonstrations of mind reading
• Stories from Oz’s life and showbiz career
• Honest takes on the boundaries and power of psychological insight

Skip if you want:

• Deep explanations of mentalism secrets (Oz won’t give them)
• Any non-stop ad-free conversation (expect some branded asides)

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Transcript

[Zach]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Kyle]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Kyle]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Kyle]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

I've been doing this full time for 20 years, which dates me. But yeah, I quit my job in 2005. Wow, crazy.

[Kyle]

What were you doing back then?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Merrill lynch, worked on Wall Street.

[Gabriel]

Wow. How does someone get into what you do?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I started with magic tricks. So I was more of like a teenager doing card tricks, doing you know, coin tricks, just sleight of hand stuff. Very different. But I bought books, videos, I was obsessed. And then the mentalism is kind of a different. That's like next level, next level. It's like magic of the mind.

[Kyle]

I used to love magic when I was a kid too.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Zach]

We were thinking about actually doing a magic off. We were going to have David Blaine versus Chris Angel.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Should do that.

[Zach]

Maybe throw you in like everybody, like all the magicians and all the wizards.

[Kyle]

Where would you rank like current magicians?

[Oz the Mentalist]

We do a different thing. So it's kind of like a different beast. Cuz a lot of people will say to me at the end, boxing mma. Like, honestly, that's like the. You know what I mean? That's like, who's the best?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Ufc. It's the UFC of magic.

[Kyle]

Right?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I'm in. If you do this, I'm in.

[Gabriel]

Wait, so have you ever messed up somebody's head, like, so bad where they got pissed at you?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Many times, yeah. I used to work at mob owned restaurants, and that's like a place where you don't mess around because the stakes are very high. Like, legitimately, they're owned by the Mafia. And then some people like, how do you do that? I'm like, I can't tell. He's like, you can tell me what.

[Kyle]

Was one celebrity that you really just shocked them?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Larry David was a. Was a high watermark for me because Larry David was just so. Who. Who he was supposed to be. If you, like, curb your enthusiasm. You've seen that show?

[Gabriel]

Yeah, of course.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So I was at. I was at Pacific Palisades. I'm at some dude's house, and I bent a spoon, a trick I don't do as often, but this guy had, like, really fancy spoons. And I bend the spoon kind of like with my mind, and Larry David's right there. This is throwback, man. This is like 15 years ago. And I bend the spoon at the end of that trick. Everybody in the world wants to see the spoon. Everybody's like, let me see the spoon. So I hand it to Larry David and fully, like, as if we're an episode of Curb youb Enthusiasm, he goes, oh, what the hell do you want me to do with the spoon? It was incredible. It was just. I was like, please tell me somebody filmed that, because it was just so good. And then he gave it back to me to know what to do. It was just perfect.

[Gabriel]

I saw the Joe Rogan with the pin, but he seemed actually kind of bothered by you.

[Oz the Mentalist]

He was dead, definitely a little bit.

[Gabriel]

So after that, was. Was there tension or was it just.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, dude, no, it kept going. That's a three hour podcast. You better get out of it. Yeah, that was. We got. We. We built some rapport. Yeah. End of the show is like, you got to come back. I'm like, I'm coming back, Joe.

[Zach]

Yeah, that was a great. That was a great thing.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So that's the best part of that, because a lot of people will go online and they go, it's staged. It's scripted. I'm like, dude, how do you think I can get Joe Burrow to fake something? Like, what I do? Come up to Joe and Be like, you all paid 10 grand. He's like, yo, you sign a contract for 275 million. Like, how. Why would he do that?

[Zach]

Wait, let me ask you this. I mean, interrupt. Have you ever been wrong and you just been like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Many times?

[Zach]

Really?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. And how you fix that? Well, how, you know, what if you're really good, people don't know you got it wrong?

[Gabriel]

Yeah, you just keep.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You just keep going.

[Gabriel]

You just got to improv and keep it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Take the punch straight on, or do you roll into the punch and then just keep going? Just keep going. I just rip open a happy dad box and the answer's in there. I've got like things scattered around.

[Kyle]

You're a big happy dad supporter too.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You sent me some photos. I got a photos at the beach when Kyle texted and I was right there. And I'm like, I've got two happy dads. I had a daughter in my hands. It was probably wasn't decent parenting, but I'm like, let me get a good photo for you.

[Gabriel]

Hey, dude, how does your wife, like, how is she married to you? I'm sorry.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We should have her in here. That's a very.

[Gabriel]

She probably has Bob level paranoia.

[Oz the Mentalist]

How can she deal with me? I don't know what she's thinking. Literally. I met her and I used to have. This was my trick. This is my go to trick at the bar to get girls, which is I'd look at their drink and if it was a cocktail, Bob is listening. See, Bob wasn't listening to anything. And now he's like, continue, I'm listening.

[Zach]

Well, you proved me right. Your magic worked once. So now.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And if there's a cocktail straw, there's a little straw in there. I would look at the straw and it's kind of magic trick, more the mental. And I would just go like this and it would start to spin around their glass and then I snap and it shoots out of the glass. Wow. And that was.

[Zach]

That was tonight.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That was ultimate. They're gonna teach us that, though. So I do that to my wife on our first date. And she goes, okay, you gonna get me another straw? I'm like, oh, this is not working. This is not working. She's like, don't do any more magic. I was like, oh, my God.

[Zach]

And she like, can't move on you ever.

[Gabriel]

No. Yeah.

[Zach]

Like, you'll know.

[Gabriel]

Bob, you should hire him to.

[Zach]

No, I just can't afford Oz obviously right now, but okay. That's my goal is to get him fully employed under my thing. So I can have them 24, 7 just on retainer. Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I like this. I like this business arrangement.

[Gabriel]

Has a couple ever come to you and like, hey, I need you to.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Talk to my wife or I have had very, very high level. I will not throw people under the bus like CEOs of Fortune 100 companies. Call me and say, I want you hidden in a room, dress you up, pretend to be a lawyer while we're doing like mergers and acquisition acquisitions negotiations. Stand there and just tell me if the guy's lying or not.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, just what kind of advantage can you give me in that room? And it's tough because I could be a little sleazy and say I'll do it, but I think I would give single digit percentage. But I can't do what I need, which is why don't I just go right now to Vegas and win at every poker game? Honestly? Right. Why not? Let's stop BSing. Why? Because people in that room won't do what I want. I can't be like, look at me do this, think that there's, there's a method to what I'm doing. Let's say steiny, great example. You're in a casino. What's your game of choice?

[Gabriel]

Blackjack.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay. You sit down at the blackjack table.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Do you have a rhythm if you're playing blackjack? Most blackjack players years. Do you just go by the book if you vet.

[Gabriel]

I usually just start out small, then go until. And just fire.

[Kyle]

Depends what substances are in a system.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Exactly. But if you are showing 20 and you've got a six, are you hitting on that? Are you going by the time, are you staying?

[Gabriel]

Every time.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay, so he's a man of. See, you're regimented. If I guess this, let's say you just made a lot of money. Yeah. You left the blackjack table. You go over to roulette. You walk over to roulette, take a big stack of chips and you're looking at the wheel. You just go with your gut. You know your favorite number or whatever number you love. You put a big stack of chips right on there. Now, you know, before that, let's do a fun one. You bet on something specific. Your body count confusing because he doesn't know zero double zero. Am I right?

[Zach]

That's one that falls in the way.

[Gabriel]

Can you do triple digits?

[Oz the Mentalist]

You go with your lucky number. Boom. You put it down in there.

[Gabriel]

You're gonna guess it.

[Zach]

Finally reveal side of body Cattlebag three.

[Gabriel]

Okay.

[Kyle]

Please.

[Gabriel]

Let's see.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Let's See what you're guessing here.

[Gabriel]

No, you're not gonna embarrass me. Trust me.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Hold on, hold on. You bet on one number.

[Gabriel]

We're talking quantity now. If you want embarrassment, we talk quality.

[Zach]

Well, you gotta tell me how many people the X too before the end of the deal. That's it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

123. Oh, God.

[Zach]

I knew it was that high. All right, go ahead.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Hold up. Let me see. What am I thinking here? No, you bet on your lucky number. I want this to have some emotions and feeling. Look this way. Think red. Black. Think red. Black. See, he nodded after I was done. So people mislabel. He nodded on the black, which means it's red. And then I say to myself, what did you go with? Did you do this? Obvious. Close your eyes. Do any of you know what number he bets on? Roulette? No. Right, Steiny, there's no way I can know this. This is not like, public information. Close your eyes. Keep your eyes closed. Every. See what I wrote? Yeah, yeah, He's. Open your eyes. You always go red, and then you also do red when it's bet. I'm sure, too. It's a red number, isn't it?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

What'd you bet on? How. One for one, bro.

[Zach]

One for one. He's a wizard.

[Oz the Mentalist]

How?

[Gabriel]

Every time I go seven. Do you know why you can't get that?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't know why.

[Zach]

Okay, he doesn't need to know why.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Let's take this scenario to the next level, okay? You ran out of money. Ran out of money.

[Zach]

And we know what that's like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Boom. Blackjack's not treating you well. Roulette's not treating you well. Body count, Definitely not triple digits. You go to the atmosphere, you swipe your card, you type in your pin code. Oh, look how nervous he just got this. Got Rogan style.

[Zach]

Yeah, there's not much in there.

[Gabriel]

How can you know?

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right, let's go through this together, okay? Because there's no way. There's no way. Have you. Have you ever written this down somewhere? Have you ever whispered this to somebody? Have you told this to anybody?

[Gabriel]

Family, maybe, anywhere else? Previous girlfriend?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay. Is she here somewhere? You told your previous girlfriend your ATM pin code?

[Gabriel]

Yeah, she did get cash for both of us.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right. Very trustworthy.

[Zach]

All right, she's in my room right now.

[Oz the Mentalist]

If you want to go text her right now. Right now. While you guys do this, you got to call her. After this. Call your family. Ask if I asked them somehow. Think of the first number. Uhhuh. Imagine you hit the first number, you typed it. Okay. Think of the second number and picture yourself. Where do you go? So hold out your finger right now. Okay. Third number, fourth number.

[Gabriel]

You want me to just.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Nope, you're doing great.

[Gabriel]

Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

This is why I say I can't just. I've got to watch you. So you did something twice. You did a back and forth. This is what I call back and forth, is when you go. So if you do like some people do, corners for their pin codes and they don't remember the. Because he knows his number. He wasn't confused, but he knew the numbers. I want to ask you one thing. The numbers at the top are the smallest here. Now. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. And you went up the second number. Is the second number the smallest of the numbers? Yeah. See, you went up and you went back. Nobody. What bank you have. Yeah, tell me everything, Chase.

[Kyle]

All right, cool.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Let's go to Chase a little quick after this. I got into this place seven, eight minutes ago. Before I walked into this hotel. Had we ever met or spoken a word in our life?

[Gabriel]

No.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right, let's go. First number, second number, third number. Do one more time, the last number.

[Gabriel]

What do you mean?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, hold your finger out and pretend you tapped it.

[Gabriel]

You want me to just pretend?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I gotta go with my gut. I think the pattern is you went back and forth for the first. Close your eyes.

[Zach]

He still did not pay. The NFL.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Everyone, look. Everyone, look. I'm gonna show you guys. Keep your eyes closed. Yeah, Open your eyes. What's the first number in your code?

[Gabriel]

Nine.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Nine, nine. And then you're seeing what I'm. What I'm writing, right? Yeah. People always tell me I wrote it afterwards.

[Kyle]

That's what we thought before. Right, Gabe?

[Zach]

Jesus Christ. If he's right. Yeah, we talk about 5,000. You sold me 5,000. The NFL bet, by the way. So we will be going to the bank.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We'll see how I did, man. We'll see. I did. What's. It's not a birthday. You were thinking of somebody's birthday before. But this isn't a birthday. That. Using your code, right? This isn't a birthday, is it? No. You were thinking of somebody's birthday. I wonder what that'd do with this. One at a time. What's your ATM PIN code?

[Gabriel]

9196.

[Oz the Mentalist]

9196.

[Zach]

What the.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You can steal from people, bro. And the person you thought of a different code, somebody's birthday, and you were thinking yourself. I was thinking of a Birthday before it popped in your head. And you use another code. August. That person was born August. August 11th. Is that the birthday? You're thinking of my mom's birthday, right?

[Zach]

Isn't it up?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, he gonna get. He's not sleeping tonight. This.

[Zach]

Mind you. Every time.

[Gabriel]

Jesus Christ.

[Zach]

It really does. It's crazy.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Well, we gotta change your.

[Gabriel]

I don't understand that.

[Kyle]

Okay, magic is one thing, but mentalism is. This is a whole nother thing.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You gotta change your pink.

[Gabriel]

How did you get the third number? Like I get how you go nine one last number.

[Kyle]

You still don't.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's.

[Gabriel]

He asked me what the sec. If the second number was the smallest number. Which it is.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't know.

[Gabriel]

Dude. That's weird as.

[Zach]

That's. That is pretty insane.

[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Zach]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

Gonna get to the end zone. Yes.

[Zach]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Zach]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Oz the Mentalist]

Kyle, you going to bust out a magic trick? I want to see your old school tricks right here, buddy.

[Kyle]

I don't got no more.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Nothing.

[Kyle]

I used to have that coin that you could like bite or something. You know that one?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I'm going to grab my.

[Gabriel]

He can do a. He can do a Rubik's Cube in 45 seconds.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You can do a Rubik's Cube in 45 seconds.

[Kyle]

Like a minute 15.

[Oz the Mentalist]

A minute 15.

[Kyle]

That's my party trick.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's pretty good though. That one works well too. That one does work well. When Steiny makes me do it, there's Rubik's Cube magic. There's some dudes who are like just Rubik's Cube magic. That's what they do.

[Kyle]

I could do it pretty Fast.

[Zach]

I mean, going out with you must be such a deadly weapon to have.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It was a deadly weapon.

[Gabriel]

You can't tell us anything about how you do any of this, right?

[Zach]

Why would you?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Don't even. Dude, I just wrote a book. It's coming out October 28th.

[Gabriel]

Oh, really?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Read your mind. Really? Literally. The COVID quote is from my boy David Goggin says, learn to master the most powerful weapon your mind.

[Zach]

Could you train somebody to do what you do?

[Oz the Mentalist]

So my book is not revealing mentalism tricks, and I'm going to tell you why that is a very limited subset of people who want to read that. If you really think about it, sitting here guessing his roulette number, what does that do for you in life? Not much. Right? That's not like a big deal.

[Zach]

I don't know, you could go around semi and just like with somebody pretty bad, be like, I know everything. Just keep popping in and out and letting them know that you know about them. And then you could kind of scare them.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's true. But beyond scaring people or entertaining people, that's kind of the limit. But the skills surrounding what I do of how to read people in business. How do you approach your boss to get a raise?

[Zach]

Right.

[Oz the Mentalist]

How do you know if somebody's lying to you? Those are very, very good tactics. Memory. So a lot of what I do has a lot to do with memory. You don't realize it, but most of the stuff that people give you, they don't even realize. They give it to you. They give that information and you hold on to. It's like a coupon that never expires. Gabriel, are you a sports guy? Not really. Not really a sports guy? No. What are your passions?

[Zach]

Men.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Travel.

[Zach]

He loves men.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Men? Yeah. Food. Food. Food travel. Okay, so we went food, travel, then men. Or maybe all three together. Am I right? That would be amazing. Large. Yeah. Picture this. What? A list of hobbies. Hold out. Hold your. Hold out your hand. Imagine you got a globe in your hand. A globe? Yeah, like you got the world in your hand. And I want you to imagine, close your eyes and you spin the globe and it just starts spinning and you just stop. Random. You don't even open your eyes. He doesn't even know where he's going to point. Gentlemen. He doesn't know. If he doesn't know, how could I know? You point at one place with your eyes closed. You gotta point out.

[Zach]

Or just.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, you could do some acting. Pretend points at one place, anywhere in the world. Open your eyes. And now when you open It. It's meant to be. Listen, it's destiny. It's destiny. Could have pointed any place, but he looks and he goes, no way. No way. This was meant to be. This is the number one place in the world you would love to travel to. Number one place in the world you would love to travel to. Can you imagine yourself being there? Yep. Eating good food, being with attractive men. The whole nine. The trifecta, baby. Life is good. Yeah. Watch. What do I think he would have done? Now I'm judging. What would he have done? Do I see him? Do I see him? Like, I see him relaxing? I think this guy likes to relax. Said food. He doesn't want to go. And like, I'm thinking a beach. Look, he's freaking out. Probably a beach. West Hollywood.

[Zach]

Mickey's or West Hollywood.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Rock Ups in West Hollywood.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, you've been there too much.

[Zach]

I went to rub a steak once.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I'm gonna show over here the first letter. Okay. When you do this a lot, it's like your lips are dry. And then to hit me.

[Zach]

And then the water after that, before this.

[Kyle]

And then.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Gabriel, you don't know me. I don't know you. He spins a globe, goes anywhere in the world. Anywhere in the world. Tell us all. Where are you going on this trip? Tell me. Maldives. What the.

[Zach]

I know how it's. Every time.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't even know if I know that.

[Gabriel]

I'm gonna be honest. I don't even know where that is.

[Zach]

I can't. Me neither. But let's talk about this once.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Where is that? Is you knew about it?

[Kyle]

No, we talk about, like, I would have never.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We traveled so much, so it's like we talked about going there once.

[Kyle]

You see like the water with all the huts and the like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. You get like a little hotel in the middle. And it had water in the bottom. Yeah.

[Zach]

This is freaking me out.

[Gabriel]

You gotta get Bob now, bro.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You're good? I'm good.

[Zach]

Let's continue the conversation and don't interrupt.

[Oz the Mentalist]

The W. There's no explanation. Yeah. You guys had no idea. I want to go there. Like, we travel so much, it's like. And we're not even planning that.

[Gabriel]

I know.

[Kyle]

That's the thing is we go to so many spots too. So it's not like he doesn't have the opportunity, like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And I came out torn between his number one. He was a little torn.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

When he put his finger down and he opened his eyes, he's like, I don't even know what the fuck the place is. There you go like the map. Yeah, I think it's like Europe, but, like, I don't know where. Pacific.

[Zach]

Can you give us one time? You were. Ever tell us a story? Everywhere you were.

[Kyle]

You couldn't even point to Maldives on a globe right now. I bet you not.

[Zach]

Were you wrong? Is there.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, man, I've had just like, you know, flop sweat moments.

[Zach]

Like a real embarrassing moment.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, so old school. Like, this is. You could. You might be able to dig these up on YouTube, but these are TV appearances that were like 15 years ago. I just didn't know what I was doing yet. And I had this one thing where I. It's a trick that I was famous for I did on America's Got Talent where somebody thinks of someone famous and I take my business card kind of spoiling. I'm not going to do it right now. And I start cutting out what looks like a snowflake. I'm cutting and I'm cutting and I'm folding. And you're like, where is this going? And then I say to you, who are you thinking of? And let's say you go, I don't know. I'm thinking of, you know, the Rock. I unfold it, and it's Dwayne the Rock Johnson. It's a silhouette. Like, I cut out his face as a silhouette. So I did that on a morning show and I cut somebody out and I can't even remember who it was. And I'm like, who are you thinking of? And they go, bruce Willis. And I totally cut out, like, John Travolta. Does it look like it was just. Just gut punch, nothing. Go to commercial, you know, steaming pile of. And it's like you learn, oh, that's a bad one. You know what's good about that? You learn that life goes on and that probably not that many people watch it. And frankly, when you get it wrong, the fails do better than the win sometimes. So that was kind of pre Internet, but nowadays some of my videos, like I had a thing with John Cena go a little bit wrong, where John was like squeezing my arm. And everyone in the Comments went. Went 10x because they're all like, I know how you did that. And so when people think they caught you, that leads things viral. Authenticity is with virality. Like, I did a clip with DK Metcalf.

[Zach]

Oh, that's my brother right there. DK's the man.

[Oz the Mentalist]

DK's the man. Where I. I unlocked his phone.

[Zach]

Because dear, dear friend, DK's the best.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And I unlocked his phone. Shout out to dk. And it was his. It was his jersey number. Twice it was 1414, which when I did it, I was furious because I'm like, this is so obvious. But you know what happened on Instagram is everybody went back and on TikTok would re watch the video because I did it so quick to try and see if they could get what it was. And the algorithm loves when you re watch a video over and over, over. So it hits the discovery. That thing went viral, just exploded. So a trick that you think kind of went wrong went so right.

[Zach]

You got a lot of ladies. Like, we have a wife. You have a lot of ladies sliding there.

[Oz the Mentalist]

A lot of dudes, unfortunately, a lot of just random dudes are like, read my mind or give me the parlay I get every time I'm on ESPN, 100 dudes are like, please tell me what's. Are the lines going to win the spread this season? Are they gonna win?

[Kyle]

It doesn't work.

[Gabriel]

Like, wait, can you do anything with that?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, I've been pretty good at predicting Super Bowls, even though I know when this hits, people are gonna go through all the ones I got wrong. But that's not psychic stuff. That's not like, that's not a trick. That's me guessing.

[Gabriel]

What about like a person's like, pre game, like body language or like interview? Can you tell how they're gonna perform?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I can usually tell some levels of if there's deceit or if there's deception, like if they're gonna say somebody's injured and when are they going to be back? And I could tell you, and it doesn't. I feel like they were. They were holding something back right there. But that's good instincts.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So when these teams call you at the NFL and stuff, they just call you and say, hey, Oz, we want you to perform for us in front of people.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It goes through a lot of. Goes through espn, even though it's gone all over. But Adam Schefter, shout out to my boy if you guys know, guy who started the whole thing up with me. So at this point, we get more teams coming to us than I can do. I kind of only do usually two or three per season. NFL. And I'll do a couple college ones, but it's team building. So at summer training camp, they have different speakers come in. They have different people come in. I go in there, do my thing for them. We film it and then we air it all over, you know, social and tv. But in the room, we get these guys Fired up. Because think about the dynamics in the room. These guys aren't necessarily teammates yet. That. Right. If you're the second string quarterback, you're kind of gunning for that guy's job right there. And some of the people just got traded in, they got trade out. Not everybody knows each other in the room. So if you can create the camaraderie, like do some crazy moments, they're laughing, they're back slapping. The fans love it. But there's a real value for the. For the coaches. They. They wouldn't keep bringing me back if it was just fun. I have. Yeah.

[Kyle]

I have no explanation for that. It's impossible.

[Zach]

The Maldives one is pretty impressive. The hand job one. By this, you got your three for three.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's pretty good body count. Zero. Double zero. Thought that was pretty solid. That was a good job. Oh, that's good.

[Gabriel]

Yeah. What about like, can you like, if Kyle or Bob had like a girl, a celebrity girl that they like wanted so bad, do you think you could guess it?

[Kyle]

That could be online or something though, could it?

[Zach]

I don't. I don't really pay attention.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. Kyle's going full tilt. Sydney Sweeney, I'm sure.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Blew that one hard. He blew that one hard, buddy. Sounds bad. Yeah, that was bad.

[Gabriel]

Okay.

[Kyle]

Sorry.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We'll give you a sliding scale, which Bob, I know a lot about you. We've done something before, so I always tip it when I say I've never met you before. Before my life. I tell people that. But Bob I've met. There's history.

[Zach]

There's history.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Crazy night in Scottsdale. And Bob told me his three favorite things in life. I believe they were mentalists. Tornadoes. What was the third mentalist?

[Zach]

Tornadoes. And I mean, zaps is up there.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. So that's. That. That's. There is.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

His was food travel.

[Zach]

Guys, we got you a little thinger and just have a little fun. It's a bad habit, but yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So if we were to give you. If I were to give you a sliding scale and I would do in tornado terms. And I was. And this is right now, I call it an F1 tornado. And you're. I want to make sure I ask you to make up a question right this second so people don't say later. Oh, this is set up. This is stage. If I told you to make up an F1 question right now. Okay, no, no, forget the phone. Get rid of the phone. I don't need a phone. Nothing. If I say to make up a question that's F1, that would be how. What's an F1? Tornado. You've seen those before. Little dip, right? Little nothing.

[Zach]

Yeah. Little baby ones. Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Boring. I don't want to do that bet. If I guess it, that's like getting seven. Everyone bets on seven. So I want you to look through, and let's keep going. Did you make one up just in this moment in F1, or were you struggling?

[Zach]

I was struggling a little bit to think of a question.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's fine. That's what I like. That texture, that it's real. I'm gonna let you sit with this. But in your mind, take a moment and think of what would be a slightly harder question for F2. Okay. And just. We're gonna give Bob a few minutes on this because he hadn't done this. What would be an F2 will be something a little harder where you're like, what would I think? What could he not know about me? And then F3 and then F4 and F5 would be insanity. Stu. Stu. On this right now, because I know you haven't done these. And I'm going to come back and we're going to revisit in a moment.

[Zach]

Thank you. Thank you for my time.

[Oz the Mentalist]

If I guess a place like this. Kyle Steiny, how many people do you FaceTime or call on a daily basis versus text? Do you ever call people or.

[Gabriel]

Almost never more FaceTimes.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You FaceTime?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So funny. A lot of people. FaceTime, Kyle. FaceTime.

[Kyle]

Both.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So if you could call somebody right now that you know would answer. Steiny, do you have instantly without looking? I can tell you to look at your phone and look through. Sometimes I do that. But, like, do you know who would answer the phone? Do you have those people that are like, the lock. They always answer?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Think of one of those people. Okay. Okay. Kyle just nodded. I know you did that too. Kyle, if you were to call this person. Okay. And you just got somebody, or are you thinking of more than one?

[Gabriel]

I have two.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You have two?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Kyle, you got one. Is that right? Yeah.

[Kyle]

That I chose?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. Okay. I think it's a guy. Is it a guy? It was a woman. You'd have more excited. I could. I could have told. All right, all right. If you get this guy, if you call this guy right now, can you text this guy right now? Text this guy and say, are you around? Make sure no one can see your phone. There's no freaking way I can know who you're texting. Are we in agreement? Hey, there is. Kyle. There is no setup that I could Know who you would have thought of? Nothing. Is that right? No.

[Kyle]

No way.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Steiny was definitely thinking of two dudes. Is that right? No. Oh, two girls. One guy, one girl. Okay. Impressive. Seeing his body, the girl's a little more butch. I could tell. A little more what?

[Zach]

Now he's just lying. Ste's gonna lie and try and things up. You're not gonna tell me.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I have two.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

See if your response. Okay.

[Kyle]

Said yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Lock. He's around. Okay. Do this. You have your phone out. If we were right now, how would I describe this if I get my phone out too? If you. You just texted him, he said, yeah. Is that right? Now I know what people are going to say if you're texting. Maybe there's some way I can see what's on your phone. That's what people say to me. So I want nothing like that. I want nothing where I could. No phone, no nothing. Audio only. Okay. I want you to call this person so it's voice and the name will not appear. Is that right? Like when you call, don't say the person's name. There's no way I can know who this is.

[Kyle]

Okay. Yo, what's up, bro?

[Oz the Mentalist]

We can hear on the microphone.

[Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Tell them we're doing like a mind read.

[Gabriel]

I know.

[Kyle]

We're doing like a podcast.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, did you just say his first name? Yeah. You just said.

[Gabriel]

Well, he didn't say his first name.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You didn't say the first name? No, no, no. I didn't know what he said. So you didn't say the first name?

[Kyle]

No, I mean, not really.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We're doing.

[Kyle]

Not.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We're doing. Sorry.

[Kyle]

We're doing a. We're doing a podcast with a mentalist, our friend, right now, and he's gonna potentially guess something that only you would know that I. That you would know from our past. Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Did you say his name? Because if not, we'll change it because I say a nickname. A nickname? Yes. But would I know this person?

[Zach]

No, you would not. They really wouldn't.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Tell him right now to just say hello twice into the phone.

[Kyle]

Say hello twice into the phone.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Hello. Hello? Dude sounds like he has a. You know what? I feel like you should be named like Noah, but I think his parents screwed up. I bet the name. Is his name Jason?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

His name's Jason. Yeah. Did you tell me who you're gonna call?

[Zach]

No, no.

[Kyle]

Not many people actually even know his name. Did you know that?

[Zach]

No, I don't fucking know his name. I know. Sorry, I don't know your Fucking name.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Jason. That's right. Yeah. Yes. If you ask him a question right now that there's no I can know, would you ask him the question? Is there any way that I could find out the answer from you asking the question?

[Kyle]

Spot.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Impossible. Yeah. I can't look this up. Chat GPT. Nothing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay. Ask him the question one word at a time, very slowly. Like, one word, like what is? Or like however you're gonna ask it. Go slow. Go slow.

[Kyle]

Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's a funny question. One word at a time.

[Kyle]

Nine, zero. What country?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Stop. What the. Keep going.

[Kyle]

What country in Europe?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Stop. Oh, man, you're giving a lot away. Oh, holy crap. Are you making this easy for me? This is.

[Zach]

This is the layup for the Wizard.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, dude, not really. Amateur hour. It's huge. Is it gonna give away anymore when you just do this? No. Okay, keep going.

[Kyle]

What country in Europe did the neighbor get mad at us when I banged the girl in the alleyway?

[Gabriel]

Stop.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Be honest. There's no way I can know this, right? This is an.

[Kyle]

Don't answer it. Don't answer it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's not set up. It's not staged. Don't answer. Don't answer. Yeah, I'm just trying to think myself, too.

[Zach]

You don't need to think. We have a Wizard here for you.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I could be wrong, though. But I have it in my mind.

[Kyle]

Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't have it in my mind. I wrote it down and I'm trying to read it. He. Him. You called anybody. You could ask him any question I could know the answer to. Tell them. What is. What is it?

[Kyle]

What do you think it is?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think it was Spain, but I could be absolutely wrong. Where.

[Gabriel]

Where.

[Kyle]

What city.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Is that? Right.

[Kyle]

I wasn't even thinking of it like that, but, yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Where do you think it was?

[Kyle]

Barcelona.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's what I said. Barcelona, Spain. Holy.

[Kyle]

That's insane.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

He guessed it. I know. How is that possible, Right?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I didn't even know that. That's wild. Actually, I was trying to remember, like, what countries do that. Yeah.

[Kyle]

All right, we'll talk to you soon.

[Zach]

You bank a girl now in Barcelona?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

No, like, at that side of our Airbnb.

[Zach]

That's crazy. I mean. Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't get.

[Zach]

That was the real deal. This is what it is. I don't doubt his magic.

[Oz the Mentalist]

This is.

[Zach]

No chance. Really good, what you do.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Thank you.

[Zach]

It's very.

[Gabriel]

It's.

[Zach]

It's very impressive. I mean.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. It's just.

[Kyle]

Because the thing is, with magic, it's always, like, sleight. Of hand or, you know, it's some sort of. But with mentalism, it's different because it's.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like you're waiting for the moment. That's great.

[Zach]

I was just. I'm always waiting for you to be wrong.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's just that's.

[Gabriel]

That's.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's.

[Zach]

You just haven't been wrong. It's pretty crazy.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Usually hit pretty. Pretty strong. But there's. There's backup measures and backup plans. You got to go in with a. What. What do you do if it goes wrong? It's always a kind of fun exception. Like how and right.

[Zach]

I mean, how did he find that out?

[Oz the Mentalist]

There's no way.

[Gabriel]

Right?

[Oz the Mentalist]

You know.

[Kyle]

You guys didn't know that?

[Zach]

And he knew Jason's name, too. When you called him. He didn't even know his name.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Did you know his name was Jason?

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. Do you know who now? No, you watch now. You don't know.

[Kyle]

905 shooter.

[Oz the Mentalist]

No, I didn't know.

[Zach]

We should carry this onto a vlog and go out tonight and see what he can do to help us out tonight, New York.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's not a bad idea.

[Zach]

You know what I mean?

[Kyle]

And his name's not even saved as Jason. My phone, too.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's 9. 0, so that's insane. They're speechless. Yeah. No, literally, how long we going for here? He's done. He's like, I got nothing else to say.

[Zach]

I mean, that's.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I loving this.

[Zach]

There's no way that. Yeah, the Bianca thing back in the day. There's no way that anybody could have known that. I've never told anybody that. Nobody even knows that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

What are you talking about?

[Zach]

Explain to a hand job thing when he nailed that. That was insane.

[Oz the Mentalist]

He did. I'm telling you. I said bianca nailed it is what I was told.

[Zach]

Bianca nailed it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. Big target. We were in Scottsdale. How do we even get hooked up somebody. I'm trying to remember. Who was that?

[Zach]

Hiller.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Who was it?

[Zach]

Hiller.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, yeah, Hiller. Shout out to laa. Zack Hill.

[Zach]

Zach was the one who. Who linked us up.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And then I was. I was out running. I think I was running 20 miles. And he's like, dude, you're in Scottsdale. Go hit a bop. I'm like, where's he at? He's like, just hit him up right now. And then. I didn't even know where you were. That was a funny night, right?

[Zach]

Who is that? Was there girls there?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Guy who's a bunch of girls. Really random girls.

[Zach]

Really. Literally.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think you named the podcast The Mentalist and two Randoms.

[Kyle]

Okay, the detective said missing kids usually come home. What happens when they don't?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Based on a true story. Police looking for John Gacy. We discovered bodies. By the looks of it, they're younger men.

[Zach]

The things he did.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Turtle skits. He's sick. The system failed these families.

[Zach]

Devil in disguise.

[Oz the Mentalist]

John Wayne Gacy.

[Zach]

Streaming now only on Peacock.

[Oz the Mentalist]

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[Kyle]

Oh, you guys did a pod in the past?

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think there was a separate pod. There was a fork in the road.

[Zach]

They were haired, obviously, but.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Bob just got in trouble. What happened?

[Zach]

Always weird.

[Oz the Mentalist]

A little.

[Kyle]

Remember that Men Menary was trying to compete with Court? No. When Courtnoy launched BFFs and then men's, like, I'm doing it with Griff.

[Zach]

Oh my God. We did one episode in the basement. That was it. Me and him.

[Gabriel]

I built that set young and hung.

[Zach]

So much energy went into that. For one episode that just barely aired.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Classic comedy.

[Zach]

That is pretty good.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I did BFFs and. And Porto wasn't in the room. He was remote from Florida and he was just angry the whole time. It's such a good video because they didn't tell him what I was gonna do. So the whole time he's like. He's just mad. And he's like, I don't know how the hell you did that. I'll watch 100 times. He's like, yeah, it was good. I was like, what do you rate it? Come on. Pizza. One bite. It's a 10, but I hate you. I was like, okay, that's good enough.

[Zach]

That's good.

[Kyle]

There's no explanation for it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, he wants to get to the bottom of things, but is there a.

[Zach]

Way where people can go online and actually see what you like? Because there has to be other people to do what you do.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, of course. So you could learn to do mentalism, but mentalism has steep learning curve. So again, steep learning, it's kind of like base jumping, right? Where if it goes wrong, it goes very wrong. So in comedy, you how do you describe it? Like comedy. You have to be funny, and only an audience can tell you if you're funny. You can't really practice comedy in a mirror. Do you see what I'm saying? You can't practice comedy by yourself. You can maybe tell the joke, but you don't know if it's funny until you do with people magic. You can practice in a room by yourself for hours, for weeks, for months. And then when you go do it for people, it's probably gonna work.

[Kyle]

Work.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Do you get what I'm saying? Like, you're really good with cards. You pick the card, you put it back. I know exactly what moves I'm gonna do. I'm gonna fool you. It's gonna work. Mentalism is very different because, again, it's like comedy. You can't really practice. So a lot of the stuff. When you see me do it on tv, you are actually seeing me do that for the very first time there. I've never done that trick ever for anyone before that moment. Like this season, I can't really spill the beans because not really. A few of the football teams, there's. I did three NFL teams this season, but there's. I don't want to tell you. I'm not supposed to say, but it's going to be throughout the season. But with one of the teams with a very famous player who is very quick. But anyhow, I'm not going to say anymore. There's a trick that I've never done with anybody else. Won't work in any other room. It was specifically for them in that moment. Never did it before. And there's nothing you could do if it went wrong. And you're like, how could this and this and this all come together like three different crazy puzzle pieces with that level of surprise? And they don't know what will happen if it goes wrong. You're just screwed. Right. That's the fun part about the exciting part.

[Gabriel]

What about, like, a trick that you're trying to master, something that you haven't done yet, that you've been trying to do?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I'm trying. I have an idea that isn't really a trick. Again, it's like a human psychology, which is for the last 20 years, after every single show, people ask me a few different questions. The first question is always how the blank. Did you do that? Right. How did you do it? That's. How do you do it? That's what everyone asks. The next question, typically, is something related to finances where somebody, if they're like, certain Demographics, like tell me what stock to pick, other people go, give me the numbers, man. What are the lottery numbers? And so I can't tell you the lottery numbers because I'm not psychic. I'm not pretending to be a psychic. I don't have supernatural powers. But I think I figured out a way to possibly win a lottery. Not the lottery, but a lottery really, which again is like studying people, studying patterns. And if you think about it, it. How do most people, if they in a heist movie, they always try and drill the safe. And how do you get into a safe? Do you pick the safe? No, you get someone who knows the code to give it to you. That's the easiest way. The best hackers in the world, social engineer. The easiest way to get into a safe, get the person who knows it to give you the code by accident. 9196. I'm going to screw this guy over and take all his money at Chase later.

[Gabriel]

We got a flat, we got to take him to Kyle's apartment and he's.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Not there and hit his safe one time. So now my thought is I've studied kind of lottery systems and not all of them are built equally. It's the same way that people cheat at cards, the same way that people can count cards. And then casinos get wise to it. And at a certain point a casino can tell you they know you're counting cards. They know. You ever read that book? Oh, why is it bring it on the house where they have teams, they signal in and you have a statistical advantage. And then once they figure out how you're doing that and somebody sitting there losing on small hands, they bring in a whale. Now you're betting big when the count's high. That's something that you figured out. So again, I've been trying to figure out a way to do that. That and I want to do something really splashy when I do it, but I'm think I'm really, really close on knowing how to win a lottery. Not the lottery. Hell, I would have won the 1.8 billion. I would have given you each sub. You're doing well.

[Kyle]

We'll get in on that idea.

[Zach]

What lottery, what lottery would you give us?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I can't tell you.

[Kyle]

I can't.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's. So that's 100%. When I do this, when it's dropping, it's going to be a big splash. But I can't tell you in advance because it's just like a zero day exploit. The moment it's known, it's Going to get patched. I've been assured it's legal. So it's kind of like counting cards at a casino. You can't actually. This is getting way too in the weeds. I don't think you get prosecuted. But they can kick you out.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And they can fix the problem. But they had the problem, so me exploiting it isn't technically illegal. It's your problem that you had it wrong upon. I found the loophole.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Kyle]

Interesting.

[Zach]

Having four of you guys in a room would be so much more interesting. And just having you guys go at it like four mentalists zinging each other with all.

[Oz the Mentalist]

We don't even have to talk. We just look at each other and.

[Zach]

Laugh and figure it all out. Pretty impressive.

[Gabriel]

Does Bob have a F?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, yeah. We have a question. Or F3. F3. Hold on. Look this way. Look this way.

[Kyle]

Me.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Here's all you do. Yeah. Now, when you told, when you said the question, you went, what is the country? And as soon as your country, you just limited a million answers down to one. You see what I'm saying? No, no, I get it. But I want to try this. So, Bob, I want to avoid any word other than the start. So the question is probably what, who, where, why, how? You see what I'm saying? You're going to start with a question. Let's go to, let's go to F3. Yep. The F1 is probably too easy. F2 you wrestle with. You didn't know. And by the time we got to F3, and I don't buy F4, I don't even know if you did an F4, you probably didn't get to it. I, I then F5. I'm like, you're struggling. F3. And I don't care if this is written down. This does not need to be written down. This could be in your head. Okay, what's the first word? Word?

[Zach]

The first first word is what?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay, so again, you, like you did. What is the. Keep going. But anything that gives away. Anything that could give away, like what is the country? What is the. Start asking me the question. But give nothing away. That's like give something away. Just start slowly. Ask the next, the next word.

[Zach]

What was.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Stop. Was. Okay, so past tense.

[Zach]

You're not gonna figure me out this time, buddy. This ain't happening again here.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Now listen, the order in which I do things matters right now. He's gonna say, what if you get it wrong? Why did I do F1 or F2? Ask yourself that. So you ask yourself, why did I Do those. Well, maybe that I got it wrong. Maybe I didn't know F1 or F2. So I made him keep going until he got to something I would want him to do. You also asked this guy 9. 0. You asked him a question that was about the two of you. You could ask any question. You could ask him, like, dude, where did you go on vacation a year ago? I. All right, how could I know that? How could you did something about the two of you? I think Bob didn't do something about himself. That's. That's my gut. Am I right? Don't show Kyle. Don't show anybody. Hide it. Put it away. Put away. Delete it. I don't even want it to be anywhere. I want nothing anywhere. Get rid of what did you do a text you. Did you send this to somebody? Nope.

[Zach]

Didn't do any of that.

[Gabriel]

Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think this has to do with somebody else. Is that true statement?

[Zach]

That's correct.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think that Stein, he helped me by accident.

[Zach]

Really? Of course he did. He's the rat. Of course.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, he's the rat.

[Gabriel]

No, it's not a real thing.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Earlier, when I said, you're playing blackjack, all this has a method. It's all layers. It's all like the usual Suspects movie. You thought of first putting money down in the roulette wheel. Then I asked you about a pin code, and I said, would anybody know your pin code? And you said, yeah, my ex girlfriend. And then after that, you know what you said? You said, someone in my family. Rewind this. Watch it again. And that's when you thought of a code. And that's when I said to you, and I guess that birthday, August 11th. And you were like, right. How did you know that? And it's because you had thought of that person and you said that person's name, and that made you think of that person. Ready for this? When I said August 11th, I had no idea whose birthday I was. Swear on my life, I had no idea. But you go, that's my mom's birthday. And right when you said that, planted a thought in your head. This question has something to do with your mom, doesn't it?

[Zach]

Damn.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right. Am I right?

[Zach]

Yeah, you are. You are very right.

[Oz the Mentalist]

The question isn't what's my mom's birthday? Is it? No, it's okay. Because, like, that would have been too obvious. That's cookie cutter. So. All right, let's go. Let's keep going with this. I knew it had something to do with your mom because you looked at Him. He said mom made you think of your mom. F2 had nothing to do with your mom. Did F2 or F1 have to do with your mom?

[Zach]

F2 had something to do with something totally different.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Good. So everyone knows this and you change your mind over and over. This is all you.

[Zach]

Yeah, I kept going back and forth, all right? Just steps. The question was pretty much just now.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Why is Bob all serious? All.

[Zach]

I don't know. Because I'm getting freaked out a little bit.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Serious.

[Zach]

You're getting closer.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right, I'm gonna say, I hope you're wrong. The question isn't, what's your mom's name? Is it?

[Zach]

It is not my mother's name.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay, the question has to do with your mom. The answer to the question. How many words are in the answer?

[Zach]

You want me to answer that right now?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Just how many words?

[Zach]

Just one word.

[Oz the Mentalist]

One word. Okay. Count the number of letters. Open your eyes. Right? Count the number of letters in that word. To yourself. To yourself. Don't say it out loud.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Took a while. You guys see what I'm saying? It took a while. That wasn't like, boom. That was done. That felt like a word. That was. If I had to count it out. Watch this. 7, 8, 9, 10. Maybe a little hungover from last night. Maybe extended a little. Was Monday Night Football. Seven, eight, nine, six. Seven, eight, nine. Seven letters. It's seven letters.

[Zach]

That is correct.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Correct.

[Zach]

It is seven letters.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's just.

[Zach]

It's a tough one. There's no.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't know. But close your eyes. Cover them with your hand. I don't know what this means. So I'm telling you right now. I'm just telling you. I think it's a name. I don't know what this part. This. I hope I didn't get this part wrong. It's a little creepy. Open your eyes. What was question F1 that you made up on the spot, in the moment? F1. Yeah. What was F1? I want to know.

[Zach]

F1 was not. There was only F2, F3, and F5 today.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Perfect. So this isn't even. This isn't even. Like, he didn't even know when I asked him. Make a question. What was F2? Just ask me the question.

[Zach]

What did the last girl I hooked up with do for a living?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay, so that would. Lame. Okay.

[Zach]

Right.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Influencer, Obviously. But I'm kidding. No. What is the question? See, he changed his mind. He did these in order. You couldn't know what he would do next. What was the question? What's the question for F3, F3 was.

[Zach]

What was the name of my mother's friend that just passed away the other day?

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right, man, this is. This is dark.

[Zach]

No, I mean I don't. I don't want to think of it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You ready?

[Zach]

What was the name of my mother's friend that just passed away the other day? Not funny at all, but dead.

[Oz the Mentalist]

A friend named Barbara. Wow.

[Zach]

Yeah. Good job.

[Gabriel]

Wow.

[Zach]

Really good. That's pretty impressive.

[Gabriel]

I don't even know if I should laugh at it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's kind of weird.

[Zach]

It's pretty impressive. Rest in peace. Un Believable. Holy shit.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Rip.

[Gabriel]

Can I ask you something? How effective do you think you'd be in like, like you see CSI Miami or like, like ongoing investigations? Why wouldn't they bring you in or something?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I might try that as my next career. I'd be open to it right now. I like what I do too much that I don't want to be in like.

[Gabriel]

Yeah. Can you imagine being cross examined by this guy?

[Zach]

Oh my God. You'd be.

[Kyle]

But then once they get him in, they're never gonna let him go too.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Right?

[Zach]

CIA hold him.

[Gabriel]

That's true.

[Zach]

For a long time. The agency will bring you in. That's pretty impressive, dude. Holy people who have.

[Oz the Mentalist]

But the interesting part is that. That when you interrogate people. I've read quite a bit about this and extensive. There's not really as much body language to know if somebody's lying or telling the truth. Because if somebody is in a situation where they're uncomfortable enough, they'll say anything to get out of it. So you don't really. It's fascinating as to what will and won't work.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

In that setting. In that setting, when the stakes are very high, it's different. This is very loose. If you guys got. If this was over something like life or death, I don't know that it would work with them. The. The stuff that you would give away wouldn't work. People tighten up in a different way.

[Gabriel]

Right. He would never admit if you actually got the answer.

[Zach]

But they could go like probability, like a lot of detector tests. You know, it's high probability that, you know, so.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, because then he could be saying whatever. Yes, he killed it. Seven is actually the most commonly played roulette number.

[Gabriel]

Yeah, no, I figured that.

[Zach]

But that has nothing to do.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, it's eight.

[Gabriel]

So if I picked a harder number then I should have thought that one.

[Zach]

Pick seven.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Seven. Cuz that's my number. Not going to lie.

[Kyle]

Maldives was probably. How do you get like that's where.

[Gabriel]

I don't get us. How do you get the name of the.

[Kyle]

The.

[Gabriel]

The lady that passed away?

[Oz the Mentalist]

The seven letters. Older woman, Barbara. Statistical analysis. Who knows? Who knows? I'm waiting. I'm leaving hanging threads. I. I can give you a big finale. Are we still going or what? I'm leaving something.

[Kyle]

You got all day, bro.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I want to do all. I want to do all of them.

[Zach]

Cuz they're going to D. I actually need your help on the low to find out some. So I'll just talk to you later about offline B.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Going to be like, I need you to watch this video and tell me if she's lying.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Can you see it?

[Zach]

Yeah. You got. You got to do crazy.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Dude, dude, I literally just told you maybe 20 minutes ago that I was going to be on the podcast.

[Kyle]

I was like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You told me it was Freezer. Yeah. But Frieza couldn't make his flight so I told him like yo, I'm one of.

[Kyle]

Freezer has his shirt off right now. Hammered.

[Zach]

He's fighting somebody on the airplane.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Missing everything.

[Gabriel]

Huh.

[Zach]

That's crazy though, brother.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Holy. Watch this, watch this. You ready? We'll give you. We'll give you a chance on this one. Me. My. My grand finale. So I want to do all of my. I like to create scenarios. Right. I can just tell you to think of something, but it's not as fun as making it a scenario. We're in a hotel. Yes. Okay. Spoiler alert. And over. There's like a big banquet room next door. And the scenario I wanted to give you. Okay, you're not gonna notice, Kyle, is that you're not as into sports. Is that right? No. Steiny, Bob, big sports guys that in that room are 50 men. 50 great athletes past and present, all in there. All different sports. Two, no less. Each of you is going to visualize this as if we open the door and one athlete walks through and comes in. Okay. Walks in and sits down next to you. Steiny, can you look to your left and see who your person is right there? Yes. So I want you to picture this as if that person walks in and sits down next to you right now. Don't do this. Can you see it? Yeah. And Kyle, for you, you're kind of a numbers guy. Your job date. A date that has literally. I don't know the meaning. I don't know what. Couldn't be more random that. As if you pick up a calendar. How old are you?

[Kyle]

31.

[Oz the Mentalist]

31. So you're born 94, I assume.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Right. So let's say you had a stack of calendars right there from 94 to 2025. And you have very specific date in mind. You move the calendars aside and you reach up and you grab this one calendar for that year. You grab it, you flip through the months. January, December. I don't know where you. I don't know where you land. You go to one specific month, you're on one specific date. You circle that day, you highlight it. Can you see that month, month, day, and year? Clear as day. Correct. I did not tell you what to say, what to pick. This is random. You came up with this, like, as random as it gets. Is that right? True story.

[Kyle]

True story.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right, I'm gonna go one at a time. One at a time. Let's see. Holy. Where are you from? Brazil. Brazil. All right, so who would he have done? Who would he have done? Shouldn't have said Brazil, bro. Just fully gave it away. Not really. I think so. I think so. I think he would never. I don't think he would have done. And then I said something in Portuguese. The Portuguese hits Cristiano Ronaldo, isn't it?

[Kyle]

Holy.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Was it Cristiano Ronaldo? Yeah. Walking in the door. For real. Yes.

[Kyle]

Yes.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Stein, you got your person. Yeah. Take. I'm gonna pass this down to you. I want you to write down that person's first and last name on here and hold it close to your body. Make sure there's no way I could see you. You got it close to your body.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

This wasn't pick your favorite person. This was totally random. This is something where I can't do my research, where you could say to me later, oh, you look this up. You must have gone on an old nelk video. When was Nelk form, by the way?

[Kyle]

Channel was made in 2010.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So you're going back, like 14 years ago. All right, look this way at me. See, I couldn't look this up because you didn't even know who you were going to pick. You didn't even know. I'm saying to myself, what would he go with? With? Likes basketball the most. You like basketball the most, don't you? Yeah. And then football season, you get fired up. So you decided. He decided. Can't do those. Too obvious. It's too obvious. Where do you live? La Sh. Otani, isn't it? Turn it around.

[Zach]

Come on.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That is definitely not how you spell Otani.

[Kyle]

I don't know how to spell whatever.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Soon he said la and smiled. Come on, baby. Keep it Keep it tighter. Keep it tighter here. I'm looking over here.

[Zach]

Yes, sir.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And I'm saying to myself, where Bob go? Where'd Bob go with this?

[Zach]

And I didn't even.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, he thought of Rest in Peacepeace, Barbara. Yes. R.I.P.

[Kyle]

Barbara.

[Zach]

I think it's a morbid day.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think we got, like, a pattern going on with Bobby. Bob's usually life of the party, life of the Instagram. Your Instagram is a whirlwind. I love looking at your stories. You never know what's going to happen.

[Zach]

That's right. Damn straight.

[Gabriel]

Sorry.

[Zach]

Sorry about calling you the other day.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You know, your person think of their first name, that, and then think of their last name.

[Zach]

Okay, I just did that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay.

[Zach]

Y.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Go back and forth. Okay, look this way at me. Yep. First name.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Last name. You have not written this down. You have not whispered this. You have done nothing, literally seeing this person walk in this room. Go back to. Go back. Oh, first name. First name. See, you did. It was lips. Watch. See that? It's like a balloon. It's like a bubble popping. The first name. The first word, it starts the B.

[Zach]

The first word starts with a B.

[Oz the Mentalist]

No, stop. Look at me. Yeah, no, well, I don't.

[Zach]

I don't think it does.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Hold on. Now you definitely look at me again.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Why'd you jump to the second word like you thought? The second. No, the first words. The first word. Black mama. Kobe Bryant. Isn't it 100?

[Zach]

Correct. Correct.

[Kyle]

What the.

[Zach]

Good job. Good job. I mean, yeah, that's. That's. That was a good job, dude.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Here's what you do.

[Zach]

You write down the dead friend Barbara is insane. Write down nobody even knows Barbara died.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Here, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you this. Write down the month, day, and year. Okay. You have calendar in your hands. We had 1994 to 2025. Picked it up, you flipped it open. Write down month, day, and year. And while I do this, Gabriel, you cover my eyes. Don't show it to a camera. Don't show it to anyone.

[Zach]

Month and year of what?

[Oz the Mentalist]

I told him to make up something that has no real meaning. That Right? You picked one out, and I said, I call it a challenge day. I write down whatever it was month, day, and year that you picked out of those. What is it? 31 calendars, 12 months, 365 days in a year. Did you write down a month, day in a year?

[Kyle]

Yep.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Soft hands, by the way, Gabriel. Soft hands. Yeah.

[Zach]

Why do you think I'll be drinking.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Off a lot lately?

[Kyle]

A lot of guys say that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think I might have just got.

[Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gabriel]

Get some face, Washington.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah, I think you did this recent. I think you went recent. It could have been. It could have been 20 years ago. It could have been, you know, freaking. This could have been something. Do with the anniversary. Could have been birthday. Could have been Christmas. Could have been anything. My man has been running with the shirt off a lot lately. You notice that? Getting ready for a big race. He likes the summer. I bet it was last year. It's 2024, isn't it? And it's a few days right after a big occasion with something fun. July 17, 2024. Is that what you just wrote down? Show them July 17. You pick that.

[Gabriel]

That.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You made that up yourself? Grammy, can I grab the pad? I want to show you something. What is that? What is that number?

[Gabriel]

Is there any significance to that?

[Kyle]

Well, it was five days after my birthday.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Wait, wait. Think about this for a moment. I want you to think about this. Okay? July 17th. Oh, my God. 2024. Do you know what that date means? Have a meaning to you? Because I'm looking. 7. 1724. Do you. Does it have a specific meaning? Because check this out. Up. You could have picked anybody. Any athlete. Yes. Cristiano Ronaldo. Do you know what his jersey number is?

[Kyle]

No.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Do you guys know?

[Gabriel]

I do.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's pretty famous.

[Gabriel]

17.

[Oz the Mentalist]

CR 7. Cristiano Ronaldo wears 7. What is Shohei Ohtani's jersey number?

[Gabriel]

I'm gonna get roasted. I can't even think of it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Google it right now.

[Gabriel]

Is it seven?

[Oz the Mentalist]

No. Check it. Ask. What's Shohi Otani's.

[Gabriel]

Can't find it.

[Zach]

Yeah. Chad, you're confirming. 17.

[Oz the Mentalist]

17.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

What's Kobe Bryant's jersey number?

[Zach]

24.

[Oz the Mentalist]

7. 17, 24.

[Zach]

It all makes sense.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It all makes sense. But you remember I asked you a question? I said, when was. You changed the Internet? 15 years ago. The Nelk Boys. 7. 17, 24. No way. Wow, that's.

[Zach]

That's crazy.

[Gabriel]

What the. Damn. That's crazy, bro. Now I'm impressed. That's nuts.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's.

[Kyle]

I don't know.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Like, that's.

[Gabriel]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Very well done. That's good one.

[Oz the Mentalist]

My last question, though, because that one, nobody. Hey, Gabriel. I'm leaving you wanting more. That's how I get back on, man. Yeah.

[Gabriel]

Wait, yo, wait.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Can I see this?

[Gabriel]

Can you show it again?

[Oz the Mentalist]

The top of it? It.

[Gabriel]

No, the other side. That's the date he wrote. Okay.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's his date.

[Zach]

That's his date. He Wrote, holy.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's the three jersey numbers. And that is Nelk, everybody.

[Zach]

Do you ever go out for just drinks on a r. Just. You ever go for drinks on a ramp Friday night and just with people.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Oh, I.

[Kyle]

She has an explanation.

[Oz the Mentalist]

When I met my wife. This is going back, like, 16 years ago.

[Zach]

Did you meet your wife using magic?

[Oz the Mentalist]

He said online. But then when I started doing magic, she was not into it. But no. I had a guy on this on 56th and 2nd, shout out to this guy. Name was Benjamin, but he was. He worked at the deli. You know, your deli guy. You guys LA different, but in New York, like your deli guy, you know, I would try new stuff on this dude all the time. He was like, my go to. This guy's from Nigeria. He would. He would leave. He would literally run out of the establishment over and over. So I would do stuff where I just stand there. And this is. Before I would film this. I should have filmed this like you guys did. I'd film, like, some drunk kid coming in, and I'd be like, take that dollar right now. And he goes, yeah. And I'm like, take that dollar right now. And I go, here, sign it. Sign it. It. He's like, okay. I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm like, crush it up into a ball. And I go, hold it between your hands. Don't move, don't move, don't move. And I'd say, right now. Name any fruit in the place. He goes, I don't know, man. He's like, who are you? And, like, name a fruit. Goes, grapefruit. I go, you ready? Open your hand. And we opened his hand. It's just a blank piece of paper. And I say, open up. It says, cut open the grapefruit. I go, go pick any grapefruit you want. Opens it up, cut it open inside. It's his sign, Bill. And I would just. Exactly. You just said I would do this just to see people literally lose their minds because. Because they weren't seeing it at a show. It was in real life.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I'd make up new stuff to do in that deli every week just to, like, test out new material.

[Zach]

That's pretty incredible.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Crazy stuff.

[Kyle]

That's insane.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And he. Every time I'd walk in, he'd be like, no, no. Like, he's. He didn't want me to come in.

[Zach]

That's fine.

[Oz the Mentalist]

There's a clip I had with Giannis from the Bucks, if you haven't seen it. So funny where he. He calls Me, he goes, this black magic is from Africa.

[Zach]

And he, like, wanted to look, really watch that clip.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Search Giannis. And then O's the mentalist. It's so funny, man. I love Giannis. Good. Dude, do you think you do this.

[Gabriel]

Just for the reaction, or you, like, really like to mess with people's heads?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Now I'm so busy that, like, I don't really do this as often in civilian life because, like, if you're sitting next to me on an airplane and you don't know who I am, I'm not volunteering that information. If they're like, oh, what do you do? I'm like, I'm an actuary for an insurance company. Like, anything that shuts down the conversation. Because the worst thing you can ever say to somebody if you're flying from lax, New York, what do you do for a living? I'm a mentalist. What's that? Oh, I read mine. It's like, yeah, all right. Yeah, can you show me? And then it's going to be five hours of like, wait a second.

[Kyle]

What do you got next? Coming up on the business front, I.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Know you sent me something.

[Kyle]

I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Talk about that. I got a big series with big stuff coming up. Pretty awesome. Yeah. And then my book's coming out. Like, the big plug is. I got a book coming out October 28th. It's called Read your mind. And I'm not going to teach you to be a mentalist. There are lots of books and videos. Google how to learn mentalism. You'll learn, because I don't think this will change your life. I want to give you habits for success that I've used to get to the top of what I do for a living. And I assure you that if I wasn't doing this, I'm guaranteeing it. The same skills that I use at mentalism will help you in business, will help you in your relationships, will help you no matter what you do. Because reading people more effectively is the ultimate cheat code of life. And also reading your own mind, knowing what's holding you back. So many people don't actually know what their goals are, what they're thinking, how to get inside their head and figure out what is it that's holding me back from hitting the next level. What's the title of the book? Read your mind.

[Kyle]

I'm getting a copy for sure. I haven't read a book in a while, but I might have to read.

[Oz the Mentalist]

This now or get the audiobook. Man. I've been recording it. I've got a radio voice. I get you fired up.

[Kyle]

It's not like we can go Google this after, like, how to do it. It's just.

[Oz the Mentalist]

There's no good luck, man. People try. People try to deconstruct it. How'd you guess? Rogan's pin? How'd you. They're like, you know, how many other.

[Gabriel]

Mentalists can do, like, the same stuff you do?

[Oz the Mentalist]

So that's a good question. I would describe it as. That's like. Okay, think of it this way. There's a handful. But do what I do. And there's not a humble brag. That's a. That's. I don't know if I can answer that question. Try to answer for yourself by looking online. Do. What I do is kind of like singer, songwriter. So how many good bands are there? How many good singers are there there? But how many of them write their own songs? And that's what makes it special. So, like, this where you just had. That doesn't work for anyone else. That is. That is the Nelk boys. What if he had, at the last moment, gone Leo Messi instead? Right. You could have gone with Leo Messi. You didn't know could have happened.

[Zach]

You would have to change the trick.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Everything would have changed.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So it's creating custom content that's unique, that's for people that's just on the go. Yeah, It's. It's all. It's all jazz. Like, when I'm in the room with these football players, they aren't in on it.

[Zach]

They.

[Oz the Mentalist]

They actively want to screw me over. Of course, I did a bit where like, this thing exploded into fire and they, like, you'll see it. It's with. It's been leaked, so I. I can let you know it was Notre Dame, but it's like they went nuts. And just. The guy's like, I wanted you to screw this up. Like, the fact I changed my mind at the last second. He goes, right before. Right the last second before I said it, I said something different. There's no way you could have known what I would say. I didn't even know. I didn't write it. I didn't whisper. I didn't nothing. I literally changed my mind to last second second. And you knew it. And it, like, exploded in fire. It was pretty sick. But. But, yeah, I burned, like, my finger off during that. Like, the whole time I'm doing, like, oh, definitely just burned my finger.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's worth it, man. Suffer for the art.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Let's do one more so we can end this.

[Kyle]

No, that was Nelk on the. I know, bro.

[Zach]

I don't know. This is an algorithm. What would you charge real quick though for?

[Kyle]

Dude, we should plan something. Let's do something in the future. Like, something cool.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Maybe we'll out figure.

[Gabriel]

Think.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I think we do. You do a prank thing where I walk into a place.

[Kyle]

Yeah, we should do it vloggy style.

[Oz the Mentalist]

And every time before, like, they're about to do something, I tell them what it was.

[Gabriel]

What the.

[Oz the Mentalist]

What do you mean? I'm like, okay, great. So the next question is like, your mother's main name. It's that and this like, to just like, how do you.

[Kyle]

Yeah, we'll think of something.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Cool. I did one bit. So I had a show on NBC that was. Went way back and won an Emmy, which was sick. But in this show, I walked up to people at ATMs when they were coming to do their ATM pingo. Just like that is at a chase in the village. And we had a camera and I walked up to them right before they did their ATM pin code. And I said, oh, I'm sorry, we're filming a thing. We didn't do a secret camera where we're discussing secrets like. Like whether people have strong PIN codes. Because they're saying, there's a lot of hackers now who do this. And they go, do you feel that you have a strong PIN code? And they go, yeah. And then I go, okay, great. Swipe your card. And then as soon as they did, I looked at them and I typed in their PIN code for them. And it was. Oh, we just filmed the reaction. Person after person and had. We had nuts. You had different reactions of people that were confused. There were people that just acted like nothing happened because they didn't understand. Like they thought they were dreaming or high. And then we had people that were just. I can't explain it, but absolute fear. Like, one guy ran away. Ran away, said, don't put on here. Don't. We. We. We eventually got him to sign a release, but scared out of his mind. It was awesome. Just great reaction.

[Gabriel]

That's actually funny is following people to those ATMs. Yeah, that's reading somebody's.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Because that's a real gut check. That's like a little invasive.

[Gabriel]

I gave you nothing that would have ever given you that. And that's any family member's birthday. It's the most random reason I use it.

[Oz the Mentalist]

So yours took a little bit of getting to it. But, like, sometimes I can do with people where I can get them really quick. It's kind of like a fast hypnotic induction where like I come up to them and I do it. I just know their code. What's going to be quick. And they're like, you know, 2684. Just. Just did like a diamond pattern. Like so easy. That's crazy, bro.

[Kyle]

I'm definitely going to read the book.

[Oz the Mentalist]

All right.

[Kyle]

Read your mind. October 24, October 28, October 20.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Everywhere you have books. Airports, everywhere. Cover quote by my boy David Golland or anything.

[Kyle]

Right now.

[Oz the Mentalist]

It's available pre sale right now.

[Gabriel]

Okay.

[Kyle]

We'll put the link in the description.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Appreciate it. Read your mind. It's gonna be an audiobook. If you're more of a listener. No excuses.

[Kyle]

I'm gonna do audiobook.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Audiobook's the way to go. I talk fast though. If you're running, it'll keep you moving fast.

[Kyle]

100 and we gotta get it running. Maybe this week. Dude, I'm in Friday.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I'll run you as long as you can go. Just. I know. I bet you can. Yeah. I think we gotta get Kyle at least 20 miles.

[Kyle]

20 this week.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Come on.

[Kyle]

We could do 20 Friday.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Maybe for you, for your 100 miler.

[Kyle]

The key is I've done a marathon.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Nutrition. Yeah. What was your. What was your marathon time?

[Kyle]

Four and a half.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Okay.

[Kyle]

But I did it solo.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Got it.

[Kyle]

So I didn't have no pacer. Yeah. I feel like I could crack four if I was with someone.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Yeah. Unfortunately my. Well, just too much family, work. Other thing. I have five kids. Like I. My marathoning. My fastest times were like 10 years ago. But I still had it pretty good when it might start.

[Kyle]

I think I could still fastest marathon.

[Oz the Mentalist]

My fastest marathon is 223. Two hours. Yeah. 223. Holy.

[Kyle]

That's like our half marathon time.

[Oz the Mentalist]

My fastest 50 mile time was 6:30 per mile for 50 miles.

[Kyle]

How many times have you ran 50 miles?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Lots. I run.

[Kyle]

You should do this.

[Oz the Mentalist]

A great tradition. Every year I run my age in miles. You should do it every year. Every year on my birthday, I run my age in miles. I turned 43 this year. I'll keep doing this as long as I can. At least I'm 50. We should do the New York. What place did you finish? My fastest Boston Marathon. Fact check this. I want to say it was 28th place.

[Zach]

Couldn't beat the Kenyans.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Couldn't beat the canyons. Chasing the canyons. Most important fact on that list.

[Kyle]

Check that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Fastest shoe. Fastest Jew. That's all that counts.

[Zach]

There you go. Yeah, that's true. 28th place is insane. The boss maritime.

[Oz the Mentalist]

28Th or 30th? Someone close to the.

[Zach]

Were you close to the way?

[Oz the Mentalist]

Maybe I was 35th. I don't remember, man. I was. Maybe I was 35th overall. I think I beat by a few women.

[Kyle]

Are you running another one soon or.

[Oz the Mentalist]

No, I usually run New York every year.

[Kyle]

1,000 that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

New York is in November every year. Sort of been my 11th, and I'm signed up in everything, but I just. I got an offer I couldn't refuse. I had a client who just. I said no. And they're like, we'll throw more money. We'll throw more money. Private jet. I'm like, all right, I'll take it. So I'm doing a show in Montana.

[Zach]

The way if I ever ran the Boston Marathon, what I would do, I would sprint as fast as I can for a while. So I'd be in the lead so.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I get the camera coverage.

[Zach]

Jeff.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I know somebody who's done that. Yeah, yeah, Just like that.

[Kyle]

Probably last, like, half a month.

[Zach]

I mean, I would be. I wouldn't be like.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You do that. Great promotion.

[Zach]

I'm not running.

[Oz the Mentalist]

No, there is.

[Zach]

Is just not happening. Sorry.

[Oz the Mentalist]

How much publicity? Dad all over you for half a mile.

[Kyle]

I can't even, like, picture that.

[Oz the Mentalist]

That's a great marketing fairway. You should just sponsor an athlete who just runs the first mile as fast as possible.

[Kyle]

He wouldn't even do a 530mile.

[Oz the Mentalist]

I don't even think you'd make it 10 yards.

[Zach]

I wouldn't make it. No. I mean, no way.

[Oz the Mentalist]

You know, a zap in the end line, maybe he'll run.

[Zach]

Yeah, there's a zap. If there's a fishing rod with a zap at the end of it, I probably could make it to the end.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Probably. Yeah. All right, we'll do that.

[Kyle]

Get the book. October 28th. Read your mind.

[Zach]

Awesome.

[Gabriel]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Kyle]

Thank you very much. Believable.

[Zach]

Great stuff. Very great stuff.

[Oz the Mentalist]

Let's go.

[Gabriel]

Always.

[Zach]

Always a pleasure, bro.