Santa Cruz | Ep. 189

Summary

FULL SEND PODCAST - Santa Cruz | Ep. 189 (March 20, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this health-centric installment, the Full Send crew—Kyle, Steiny, and friends—welcome health influencer/entrepreneur Brendan of Santa Cruz Paleo. They deep-dive candidly into hot topics around health optimization, modern lifestyle pitfalls, the truth (and BS) in nutrition trends, their own fitness journeys, and real talk about supplements, sleep, and living longer while actually enjoying life. The tone blends humor with straight-up, practical advice, lots of personal anecdotes, and a refusal to sugarcoat tough subjects.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Plastics, Microplastics & Water Bottles (02:00 - 04:38)

• Brendan criticizes health guru Brian Johnson's takes (e.g., sunlight avoidance), noting, "I'm not into the plant-based thing or avoiding sun. But glass > plastic for water bottles; less microplastic leaching."
• Quote: "Heat and sunlight to plastic leaches far more microplastics than a cap ever will." (Brendan, 02:19)
• Discussed endocrine-disrupting chemicals (xenoestrogens) in plastics, furniture, cologne, etc.
• Sharp rise in young men's colon cancer partially linked to poor modern diets and environmental toxins.

2. Biggest Food Red Flags and Body Positivity Real Talk (04:38 - 05:54)

• Brendan on health priorities: "The most important thing is that you don't exist as a fat person for too long. Being fat is not good for you." (04:41)
• Laughs about fat-shaming among the group, but underscores the severe health risks of obesity, especially for young men.

3. Morning Routines, Sunlight & Circadian Health (06:16 - 09:47)

• Steiny and others admit to early rising and walking/sun exposure for mood.
• Brendan: "Most people would benefit tremendously from just waking up, getting outside for sunlight—even if it's cloudy—hydration, and a simple morning routine."
• Troubleshoot seasonal depression and lack of sunlight:
  • Brendan advocates red light therapy in dark climates: "Red light is real. So many PubMed papers support its benefits." (07:36)
  • Avoids tanning beds ("not good, isolated light increases melanoma risk").
• Quote: "Early morning sun exposure makes it so you will burn less—your body starts to adapt and develop resilience." (Brendan, 09:01)

4. Vaping and Energy Drink Dangers (09:47 - 16:14)

• Steiny: "If you're a guy in your mid-20s and you vape—dude, you're…"
• Brendan rips on vaping: "You have no idea what you're inhaling, bro."
• Pushes for quitting vapes/Zyns; notes the overblown claims about nicotine's health benefits.
• Cites his work with cancer survivors: "When I hear something might be carcinogenic, I try to minimize it. Cancer rates are skyrocketing in young people." (03:57)

5. Energy, Mitochondria, Caffeine Cycles & Sleep (12:15 - 14:27)

• Brendan: Real energy is about mitochondrial health, not just stimulants.
• Warns about late caffeine: "The caffeine has a half-life of six hours. You might think you can fall asleep, but your sleep is negatively affected." (13:44)
• Advocates strict cut-off times and quality sleep hygiene.

6. Supplements, Key Nutrients & Food Essentials (18:01 - 20:15)

• Vital supplements: Vitamin D & Magnesium—"But don’t supplement if your diet and sleep aren’t dialed in."
• Quote: "Start with real food. Don’t buy any supplements if you don’t sleep well or party a lot—you need to dial in life a little bit." (Brendan, 18:03)
• Laughs about steak, cholesterol, and discredits simplistic cholesterol fear-mongering.

7. Ozempic, GLPs, and the Perils of Chasing Thinness (20:19 - 21:35)

• Brendan: "If you’re truly obese and can’t lose the weight, GLPs [like Ozempic] could help. But it’s dumb as hell for already lean, jacked kids to use it. You’ll wreck your hormones."
• Tells of doctors seeing young adults undereating and ruining their micronutrient status/testosterone.

8. Peptides & Injuries (21:35 - 22:32)

• Praises some peptides (BPC-157) for injury recovery—"Big fan, especially for Jiu Jitsu injuries."
• Warns against indiscriminate peptide or hormone use.

9. Alcohol, Cheat Meals, Practical Health Socializing (22:35 - 24:03)

• Recounts personal journey: used to party but now advocates for "cleaner" seltzers (like Happy Dad).
• Offers real-life hangover hacks—activated charcoal, hydration, vitamins.

10. Maximizing Testosterone Naturally (24:24 - 25:39)

• Sleep is #1 for testosterone; simple dark room, phone cut-off, breathwork.
• Diet: "Balanced macros, some saturated fat, quality red meat—there’s just something to it."

11. Fitness, Extreme Challenges, and Community (34:40 - 38:22, 40:01 - 44:29)

• Describes the epic "Barbarian" workout at Liver King's compound: "Two 70lb kettlebells, 70lb backpack, 120lb sled—a brutal, nearly 2hr 48min mile."
• Discusses motivation, overcoming plateaus, and the power of surrounding yourself with "locked in" friends.

12. Sleep Hygiene: Ditch the NyQuil/Melatonin Habit (30:13 - 34:23)

• Steiny admits to NyQuil/melatonin use for sleep.
• Brendan: Ditch the drugs, embrace sleep hygiene (blue blockers, magnesium, breathwork).
• Recommends orange-tinted blue light blockers at night: "They’re a game-changer, I’ll get you some." (32:22)
• Reassures magnesium is broadly safe and helps hundreds of bodily processes.

13. Modern Nutrition, Japan/Blue Zones, & Gut Health Lessons (35:25 - 57:55)

• Brendan: Studied anthropology; noticed gut-microbiome and real, unprocessed foods in healthy populations.
• Not demonizing Chipotle or occasional fast food if other habits are good, but draws line at ultra-processed/junk sweets ("Crumble Cookie is the enemy").
• Dissects international health: Japanese, Vietnamese walk a lot, eat quality carbs (purple potatoes), little processed food.

14. Skin, Grooming, and Beef Tallow Skincare (62:31 - 64:10)

• "Beef tallow is cracked for skin health": non-comedogenic, moisturizing, containing stearic acid.
• Modern skin care often triggers a vicious cycle of dryness/over-oil; natural is better.

15. Electrolytes, Supplements, Honest Salesmanship (64:19 - 65:19)

• Brendan is forthright: "If you're not working out hard, you don't need electrolytes. But if you train, a scoop in the morning changes your day."
• Most supplement profits stem from Amazon, not TikTok shop.

16. Business, Ethics, and Staying Authentic (65:21 - 66:23)

• Tells of starting Santa Cruz Paleo with childhood friend in a Santa Cruz apartment.
• Criticizes investors’ profit-first mindset leading companies to cut corners on ingredients: "Investors cook it—health products get anti-health."

17. Modern Longevity, Inspiration, and Vibing with Life (69:10 - End)

• Brendan refuses to go vegan or do Super Size Me for content—"It's clear: animal protein, fruits, veggies. That’s the way."
• Stresses that health, fun, community, and movement are the ultimate life "hack": "Just get outside, find a hobby, and pull your friends into it."
• Lasting advice: focus on real food, good sleep, movement, and enjoy life—supplements are secondary.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brendan (on health in youth):
  "The most important thing is that you don’t exist as a fat person for too long. Being fat is not good for you." (04:41)

• On vaping vs. Zins:
  "You have no idea what you're inhaling, bro. Don’t you want lung power?" (Brendan, 11:43)

• On energy:
  "Your mitochondria are the powerhouse of your cell... That’s where real energy comes from, not from another caffeine drink." (Brendan, 13:44)

• On steak and cholesterol myths:
  "If cholesterol causes heart disease, why did our ancestors eat tons of animal fat? Why don’t the Inuit, who eat whale blubber, get heart attacks?" (Brendan, 19:32)

• Supplements:
  "Start with real food. Don’t buy supplements if your life is dialed—no need if you’re partying and not sleeping." (Brendan, 18:03)

• On NyQuil addiction for sleep:
  "I’m not a fan of daily melatonin use, and NyQuil is for sick people—plus it’s got Red 40." (Brendan, 31:23)

• Barbarian workout story:
  "We had to do it. Two 70lb kettlebells, 70lb backpack, 120lb sled, ankle weights—almost three hours for a damn mile." (Brendan, 35:06)

• On fat-shaming and tough love:
  "Sometimes you have to go a little hard from love. People just don't think about health until it's ripped away from them." (Brendan, 38:33)

• Modern U.S. health outlook:
  "We need to change the culture in America. Like why are the Japanese so healthy? It’s a culture thing—we need to walk more, eat real food, and ditch Red 40." (Brendan, 56:38)

• On skin care:
  "Beef tallow skin care is the original skincare. It’s cracked. And modern products create a vicious dryness cycle." (Brendan, 62:42)

• Summing it all up:
  "Focus on food, sleep, movement, community—supplements are not the start. Pull your friends into it." (Brendan, 69:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:00 | Plastics, microplastics, and water bottle safety | | 04:38 | Food red flags, fat-shaming, health risks of obesity | | 07:36 | Morning sun, seasonal depression, red light therapy | | 09:47 | Vaping is worse than Zyns; both should be avoided | | 12:15 | Real energy vs. energy drinks—focus on mitochondrial health | | 14:14 | Caffeine timing, sleep cycles, and performance anxiety | | 18:01 | Vitamins D and Magnesium—who needs them and why | | 19:15 | Should we avoid red meat? Cholesterol and diet myths | | 21:37 | Peptides: recovery tools and what to avoid | | 22:35 | Partying, alcohol, and staying practical with health hacks | | 24:24 | Testosterone optimization: prioritizing sleep and realistic nutrition | | 30:13 | Sleep routines: blue blockers, NyQuil risks, and natural alternatives | | 34:40 | Barbarian/Liver King workout story | | 56:03 | Japanese and Blue Zones health insights, the power of walking | | 62:42 | Skin care: beef tallow, simplicity, avoiding harmful ingredients | | 64:19 | Honest supplement talk—who really needs them | | 65:25 | Santa Cruz Paleo origin story and business philosophy | | 69:10 | Vegan diets and why he won't do "Supersize Me" challenges |

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Recurring Themes

• No magic bullet: Optimize sleep, diet, and movement—supplements come last.
• Culture > gimmicks: True health is about social circles, daily habits, and fun challenges.
• Skepticism of nutrition/health fads: Especially when driven by profit or social media.
• Science with common sense: Practical takes on red meat, carbohydrates, moderate vices, and modern “quick fixes.”
• Tough love with authenticity: Call out unhealthy patterns, but always "roast out of love."

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For Listeners New to the Show

Whether or not you’ve followed previous episodes, this conversation is a snapshot of what drives the Full Send crew’s evolving quest for better health—a non-dogmatic, science-informed, and playful approach. Brendan’s insights are credible, blunt, and aimed at helping both everyday people and high-performers minimize BS, enjoy fitness, and stay healthy for the long haul—no matter your starting point.

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[Steiny]

You are going to bring up Brian Johnson and I don't know if you remember what he said, but the most unhealthy water bottles from Mr. Health Guy.

[Brendan]

Wow, this. Call me out already.

[Steiny]

He said the cap is actually worse for you than everything in this cap.

[Brendan]

He also says sunlight is bad, so I don't really trust too much of what he says. But he's, he's a cool guy. He does some cool experiments on himself, so.

[Kyle]

So you don't believe a lot of what he says?

[Brendan]

I don't believe in the plant based diet that he eats and I don't believe that severely limiting sunlight is a good idea. But I think he does some cool stuff. But like the glass water bottles are better because the reality is I'm going to take this, going to sit in the car and if I brought a plastic water bottle, heat, the exposure to heat and sunlight to plastic is going to leach far more microplastics than a cap of that.

[Kyle]

But he doesn't do plastic bottles, does he?

[Brendan]

I hope he doesn't do plastic bottles. He spends $2 million a year contraption type shit.

[Steiny]

He probably has like a crazy thing like one of those filters on his sink and then just does a glass. Probably, yeah.

[Brendan]

Which is so easy to do, bro. Like a reverse. Do you have reverse osmosis like in your house? Because you're locked in now.

[Steiny]

No, see, I seen have fucking.

[Brendan]

I'm not, I'm not. I'm kidding me.

[Kyle]

I'm more focused on like just like performance and. But then physique then like I'm not really into the microplastic shit.

[Brendan]

You travel a lot, you know, you're grinding, you can't be overly worried about it. But at least at home you should have like a. I'm drinking.

[Kyle]

If there's a plastic water bottle, I'm fucking slamming it.

[Brendan]

Yeah. I mean, again, it's not like the biggest deal with health, but I'm so easy to. You guys have money, you get to a new place, you order a bunch of cases of those. Boom.

[Kyle]

How bad are like those plastics?

[Brendan]

Well, I mean, it's been shown that it disrupts your endocrine system. It puts something into your blood called a xenoestrogen, which mimics estrogen. And then when you look at how we have a bunch of xenoestrogens in our environment, it's like this couch is definitely. I hope you guys got, you know, organic, organic cotton couch for me, but I don't think so. So that's like off gassing. So there's some like xenoestrogens in there. And then you get a little bit from the microplastics. Steiny, Pop like five zins before that. There might be some microplastics in there. He has cologne on or something. He's spraying himself with cologne.

[Kyle]

And then there's Bruce Buffer's cologne though.

[Brendan]

It adds up. So that's the real thing. Like, adds up to what? If you want some real. I just did a locked in episode with six cancer survivors. And these are all young dudes that went through cancer treatment. And it's brutal. And so when I hear something you know might be potentially carcinogenic, I try to minimize it in my life. I don't want to go through that. Cancer rates are skyrocketing in young people, especially young men. Gotta be. What is. What is skyrocketing cancer rates? So, like colon cancer in particular, which I think like this combination of. Most young men do a bunch of energy drinks, a bunch of zins. They don't have a good diet. They don't eat real whole foods. It's like, bro, there's 124 increase in colon cancer since 2004. That's not good.

[Friend 1]

What's the biggest red flags you see in food products?

[Brendan]

The overall thing, the most important thing is that you don't exist as a fat person for too long. Being fat is not good for you.

[Friend 1]

It's not acceptable.

[Steiny]

We can fat shame with you, right?

[Brendan]

You can fat sham me.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Like, do you consider yourself fat or what? Do you consider yourself?

[Steiny]

What the fuck?

[Brendan]

No, just like an actual question.

[Kyle]

No, Stein is not fat.

[Brendan]

Fat. You're not fat. No, but do you consider yourself like.

[Steiny]

What did you lift today?

[Brendan]

What did I lift today? I did a little bit of arms, a little bit of back. What'd you do? All right.

[Steiny]

What's your bench PR?

[Brendan]

My bench PR I think is like 245. I'm not a big like bench.

[Steiny]

We haven't beat there, but whatever. No, I don't consider myself fat. I consider myself like in shape. I'm not where I'm not the best shape of my life.

[Brendan]

But you're working towards it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

And are you gonna do some stuff with these guys? These guys are on another level right now. This dude's doing jiu Jitsu. This dude just ran 100 miles.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

What are. What's Steiny's thing?

[Steiny]

Walking out of my crib, sitting in the sunlight.

[Brendan]

That's good.

[Steiny]

Yeah. Getting sun. I do this brand called. I think it's the best electrolytes in the game.

[Brendan]

It's liquid IV or something. Those are awful.

[Steiny]

Why are those so bad, bro?

[Brendan]

Well, it's Just they make like a sugar free one.

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[Brendan]

Like the, the ones that they like made into a big brand. It's just sugar in a packet. Yeah, I mean there's some electrolytes in there too. But I'm not a big.

[Steiny]

I've been way more. I've been going to the gym, lifting, but I've been more focused now on. I think sun's so important. Like it changes my. And then I've been more my cardio. Like I've been walking, I walk to the gym there and back every day now.

[Brendan]

Nice. And you walk there and I walk

[Steiny]

there and then go walk in, I walk there, get a lift in the walk back and it's like two miles each way.

[Brendan]

Nice. That's dope, dude. I mean, honestly, like most people can like benefit tremendously from just waking up, getting outside, getting some sunlight, getting some hydration and starting to do a little like morning routine. I think a big problem with a lot of young men is they just wake up and they're in like a fucking panic, bro. Like they just wake up on their phone and they're not even getting their day, like set up for success in any way, shape or form. And it's like, you can wake up, go outside, get some hydration, you're gonna get light in your eyes. Even if it's cold and cloudy outside, you still get like the circadian biology benefits from getting that. And then you start to get hydrated, you start do a little mobility routine. You're gonna set your day up way better.

[Kyle]

What do you recommend to people that like. Like, I'm blessed enough. I live in Miami, but I'm obviously from like Toronto, Canada. So in the winter it's. It's impossible to get sun. I used to get seasonal depression. I know people get it and it's a thing where it's like, yeah, you don't see the sun for like brutal five months. So what do people do in that scenario?

[Brendan]

So that's where I think you still got to get outside if it's cloudy. But, like, let's get into some actual people. Like, no. So it's like, let's get into some actual stuff that can help them. These red light devices are for real. Like, the ones that are getting pushed right now. They are real. Like, red lights. Not. Not one of those trendy things that's going to be like, oh, no. It was like, kind of this thing that people are into. Red light is real. There's so many PubMed papers on it. And you can get one of those devices now for like, 100 something bucks. Like, you're not gonna get the giant.

[Kyle]

And what's the benefit of that? Right in the morning?

[Brendan]

So the benefit of that is, like, your eyes are part of your brain. They're not actually separate from your brain. They're considered part of your brain. And different light signals give your body different signals into your pituitary gland. Indeed. So, like, right now, we're getting a lot of blue light in our eyes, which I'm, you know, a little upset about because it's late at night. So, like, this blue light is telling my body to not produce melatonin because that would make fall asleep or make me sleepy. And so light gives your body signals. And we evolved over millions of years with the sun. And when you wake up in Canada and it's dark outside, like, you can sort of shift that by turning on a red light, getting some of that red light in your eyes. And for people that are vain out there, there's tons of studies showing red light benefits your skin health. So this is dope.

[Steiny]

Asking for a friend if you live in, like, a cold area. I don't, but is it lame for dudes to hit a tanning bed?

[Brendan]

I'm not a big fan of tanning beds. So, like, we had this dude on our podcast that is not red light. No, I know, but, like, you're.

[Steiny]

You're getting red light, but you're not getting tan.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it's two different things.

[Steiny]

I get that. I'm saying you're missing the tan expo. Like, you're missing that sun exposure, which you have a nice tan right now.

[Brendan]

Thank you. Well, yeah, I live in sunny San Diego right now, so.

[Steiny]

But I know.

[Brendan]

Well, so the. The reason that those tanning beds have probably have more melanoma associated is because it's isolated light. So, like, from the sun, we get this full spectrum of light. Like, there's not only red light, there's, like, green and blue and yellow and there's this full spectrum. And we had this circadian biologist expert on the podcast and he bro, all this down way better than I could. But like, he's basically saying we're adapted to get these different spectrums of sunlight. Early morning sun exposure makes it so you will get sunburn less in the day. Let's say you get early morning sun on your body and then you go out at like 3pm and you get a lot of sun. You will burn less. Your body like starts to adapt and develop resilience. The tanning beds are like isolated blue light even sometimes. And in my opinion, that shit's not good.

[Steiny]

Yeah, what about like, this is my biggest thing and we can actually agree on this. Like if you're a guy in your mid-20s and you vape, like, dude, you're

[Brendan]

a, like, I, I, I'm very against vaping. I'm very against vaping especially.

[Kyle]

It's just so, there's so much work to it too. Like this guy's always like, I need

[Brendan]

a, that was your vape.

[Kyle]

First of all, it's like, I need a vape. And then it's like, I need a vape charger.

[Brendan]

It's like, God, bro, what are you

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[Friend 1]

That's one thing. I, that, that's badass.

[Brendan]

But you should even quit and go towards zins. Not, I'm not here to promote zins. But that's a better, that's a better thing.

[Friend 1]

Do it for me.

[Kyle]

Vaping in front of a girl too now it's like, dude, like, no, I

[Friend 1]

don't do it much in front of.

[Kyle]

It's just no sauce at all. Like a big box.

[Brendan]

I bet she was pink. Gay looking. Let's see.

[Steiny]

It is pink and white, bro.

[Brendan]

See, that's so gay.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I just picture too, you know when like a chick loses their vape and like they freak out. Guys do that too. And I'm like, I don't freak out,

[Brendan]

I just have it, bro. If you lost your pouches and like you couldn't get another one though, you'd be freaking out. Loki.

[Steiny]

No, I just go buy another one.

[Brendan]

Yeah, exactly. Because you'd be like, holy, I need to buy another one.

[Steiny]

I don't think the zins in the like taking nicotine like this has the same like freak out effect as where's my baby?

[Brendan]

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know, like the, the like how many milligrams you're getting from a vape. But I do feel like people zin Clear zin addictions now and again. We had a doctor on the podcast. He's a pretty rational dude. He's an md and he's like, look, there's a lot of interesting studies on nicotine, but I think people have taken it a little over the top with, look, dudes, here. Oh, there's some neuroprotective effects. It can help stave off Alzheimer's. And they're like, let me rip. 20 zins a day, bro. That's not. Come on.

[Kyle]

Are people actually saying it's, like, good for you?

[Brendan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. This clip went viral on Instagram. Some guy being like, nicotine is the only substance on earth that can cure, like, Alzheimer's, and he's just talking, but it's like. Like, it can have nootropic, like, effects, which nootropics, like, benefit your brain in many ways. But that doctor went, yeah, okay, like, recommended use of nicotine probably be, like, twice a week. So it's like, that's not how people are using it.

[Kyle]

So how about.

[Friend 1]

How bad is vaping's?

[Steiny]

Absolutely.

[Friend 1]

How bad is it?

[Brendan]

Like, well, do. You don't even know what you're inhaling, bro.

[Steiny]

Not really.

[Brendan]

Yeah, you have no idea. And, dude, you just. You start doing jiu jitsu. Like, don't you want to have, like, you know, like, lung power?

[Friend 1]

That's true. That's true. I am addicted to it a bit.

[Brendan]

That cancer episode I filmed, like, scared me. I'm already neurotic about a lot of stuff, but, like, who knows? You know? Sometimes, like, sometimes cancers can hit, like, young kids, and it's not like, oh, they weren't locked in. Like, that's not what I'm saying. But we know with this rise of cancer, you should be doing, like, you should obviously not be vaping, and you should be doing things that would probably lower your risk. Like, that's what it's about. Let's.

[Steiny]

Let's go back to the other thing you talked about, because I feel like I'm. I need energy drinks. I thought Celsius is strong as. Yeah, sometimes I'll have two back to back, which I think is not a good idea.

[Brendan]

A lot of caffeine, bro.

[Steiny]

So. But how do you find more natural energy then?

[Brendan]

Dude, you guys have filmed with the legend Gary Breca. Gary Brecker's whole thing. I mean, he does a lot of stuff, but he talks about mitochondrial health a lot. And what he's talking about there is. It's the powerhouse of your cell, and they're Finding now that you can, you can do all types of stuff. You could lab test your mitochondrial health and figure out that you need more CoQ10 and literally like your cells are going to have more energy. And now people are coming out with these mitochondrial peptides. I talked to an elite level jiu Jitsu ATH that started blasting this mitochondrial peptide which. Don't, don't do this guys. It's still being researched. But he was like, yo, I'm taking a bunch of mot c. I'm taking this and that. And he was like, dude, I don't get tired. Like, I don't get tired. So like that's where like real energy comes from and like different things like blue light, bad sleep will cook your mitochondrial health slowly even flying, bro. You guys are flying all the time. So like, you should start to look into some mitochondrial support. You doing those energy drinks, it puts you in a bad cycle. So like this coffee right now, the caffeine has a half life of about six hours depending on your genetic makeup. Six to eight hours. So there's 100 milligrams of caffeine in there. It's like 6pm Right now. You're going to try to go to sleep. Well, you might go to sleep late, man. I don't know what you're getting into later. Okay, so like you're gonna try to sleep on this red eye Xanax. Yeah, see, there we go. And there's the, there's the cycle that a lot of people are in that'll

[Kyle]

try to bring up blue light, let me tell you.

[Brendan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. That blue lets minor in A comes to, comes to that. So this is the cycle a lot of people are in, honestly, where they're like, I'm tired, you know, let me drink some Celsius or a coffee at 6pm and they feel like, oh, I can fall asleep. They've done studies on that, bro. Your sleep is negatively affected. You're still having about 50 milligrams of caffeine in your body by midnight. And if, if a 50 milligram caffeine pill was next to your bed and I was like, stein, you take this, it's midnight. You'd be like, no, I'm not taking that.

[Steiny]

Right.

[Brendan]

But you're essentially doing the same thing

[Steiny]

just because it lasts so long.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

So you don't have caffeine at all?

[Brendan]

No, I do. Coffee in the morning.

[Kyle]

Okay.

[Brendan]

I had a beautiful coffee up here on the rooftop this morning. But like I have a time window when I can have it for me, it's like 10 to 11:30, and if I don't have the caffeine in that time, then I won't have it.

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[Steiny]

Something that you see with a lot of younger guys that are just.

[Brendan]

We'll take.

[Steiny]

Let's take Toge for instance, right? He's in great shape.

[Brendan]

Shout out to.

[Steiny]

Yeah, Togi definitely kills energy drinks.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Definitely does some of the same that we all do, right. That aren't good for you. But in his mindset is I look like this, so maybe those side effects don't affect him.

[Brendan]

Is that a problem? Almost died. How? I don't know the specifics of it, but he almost died, bro. He went on some type of bender and he had like a severe, like,

[Steiny]

you understand what I'm saying?

[Brendan]

Passed away. He almost left this earth is.

[Steiny]

You see these gym bros that are jacked?

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

And so because they look good, they might not even notice or think, oh, I'm having five energy drinks a day.

[Brendan]

Look, we all want to look good. And that is like one of the most important things that we all Think about, we want to be jacked and look good. I think, you know, once you get older, it's more about how you feel. And then you do start to think about longevity. If you like life and life is going well, you're going to want to be around and feel good for a long time and just do the you like to do. So I get it. Or there's somebody like Toby were like, I'm jacked. Like, look. But bro, like, you can get jacked doing dumb. And, like, you see, like, there's actual studies on bodybuilders that take a lot of steroids. They die of heart attacks. They die, like, at a way higher rate. Like, these. These dudes oftentimes, unfortunately pass away in their 40s. It's like, I don't want to die in my 40s, bro. What are you talking.

[Steiny]

You've never done, like, tests or any of that?

[Brendan]

I never have. You know, Greg Ducetti just made a video and accusing me of enclomiphene. The Is that because, like, I got my test levels checked and, like, my test was really high on this last test.

[Steiny]

What's your test level?

[Brendan]

1007.

[Steiny]

No chance.

[Brendan]

I swear. I have the lab. Isn't it.

[Kyle]

Isn't that way above average seven hundreds?

[Brendan]

Like, yeah. So my. My levels before were close to 900. Then they went up to a thousand. Now, here's the thing. This is why Greg just said, accuse me. I make this video like, yo, my test levels are at a thousand, but I show the whole blood work. So, like, in the next video, I'm like, the reason they're a thousand is because this thing called my SHBG was a little high. It's supposed to be like, 50 is up range when I was like, 54. So I sat down that doctor on my podcast recently, and he explained, like, okay, your test is really high, but your free test is just like, normal high. Like, so there's a whole calculation of your testosterone, your free test. Then you look. Yeah, you look at your shbg, other levels. So there's some things I can do to sort of dial that in. Overtraining might have been a part of it. Like, before I got my blood work done, we were just going hard. I was like, surf, jiu jitsu class, weights, you know, over training. So you just did 100 miler. It can do some weird stuff with your hormones. So I need to dial them. But, yeah, I got that pretty good.

[Friend 1]

What do you think is the best supplement?

[Brendan]

Okay, the best element is if you are not getting total Body sun exposure. You should take vitamin D. And vitamin D is a bit controversial, but, like, it's like, get sun, don't buy a supplement. But if that's not an option for you, like you're saying many people live in areas where they're, they're not going to get that sun. If you're low in vitamin D, you're cooking your bone health, your skin health. It's connected with depression, anxiety, and it's so affordable to something like our vitamin D we sell is like 14 bucks, like two months. Made with organic olive oil. It's easy. The next one's gonna be magnesium, like those two right there, Vitamin D and magnesium. I eat a hell of a good diet, but when I put my stuff into chronometer and track everything, I'll even fall sometimes short a little bit in magnesium. So that helps with sleep. It helps to sleep. The glycinate form in particular is magnesium binded with glycine. So it helps with sleep. It's so easy, bro. Like, a lot of these supplements, dude, people look at them like, oh, I just want to eat, like, good. I don't need a supplement. Yeah, you're right. Like, you can just eat real food. Start there. Don't buy any supplements if you don't sleep well. If you're just, like, partying a bunch like it, you don't need a supplement. You need, like, to dial in, like, life a little bit and then, yeah, look towards supplements.

[Steiny]

Everyone swears by chicken, rice, vegetables. What's like, the ideal, healthiest meals you can have twice a day, bro?

[Brendan]

I love steak and potatoes. I'm a huge steak. Steak is great steaks.

[Steiny]

It really should eat that every day, right? Because the red meat and. And cholesterol.

[Brendan]

I think some of that's cap, like,

[Steiny]

scientifically proven, my friend.

[Brendan]

Scientifically proven by who?

[Steiny]

Mr. Brian Johnson, who lives down the street.

[Brendan]

Did he scientifically prove it? Okay, well, then why do people with extremely high cholesterol sometimes live very long lives? Why do people with low cholesterol sometimes get heart attacks? If cholesterol causes heart disease, yeah. Then why did our ancestors eat. Eat tons of red meat, tons of animals. And why are there people like the Inuit, people who eat, like, whale blubber, like pure saturated fat and they don't get heart attacks.

[Steiny]

Isn't gal also a thing from red meat?

[Brendan]

When you look into it? It's not. When you have a balanced diet. I'm not, I'm not one of these people, though, that says, like, eat a bunch of fatty red meat every single day. Like you do want to go towards some like leaner cuts. I'm not one of these people that is like the stick of butter type people, like get your saturated fat intake highest, spike your cholesterol. I'm not that. Yeah, but I think avoiding meat and eggs and grass fed butter because of cholesterol is complete cap.

[Steiny]

Well, BJ also swore that micro dosing. He said that everyone, these are his words, he said everyone should be microdosing Ozempic and he thinks Ozempic is one of the best products for every human out there.

[Brendan]

If you are obese and have had trouble losing the weight, I think GLPs are definitely something you should look into. Like stuff like Red of True Tide, stuff like Ozempic. I think it's pretty dumb to say even though someone like me, someone who loves the natural route, if someone just time after time, they're just spending year after year in this state where they're carrying a lot of extra weight around their midsection, should probably get on a glp. But for people that are in shape, I think it's the dumbest thing ever to get on something like Red or True Tide. You have a bunch of dudes nowadays that are lean and pretty jacked, hopping on Retta to lean out. And this doctor on our podcast, like, bro, he's seeing these kids, he's like interacting with them, doing their lab work. They're not getting micronutrients in because they're not hungry at all. They're already lean and they're eating like 1200 calories a day. Try to fit your micros into a 1200 calorie diet. They're cooked, bro. And then that cooks your testosterone and creates this cycle. And these kids are vain. They're doing because they're vain. You're going to cook your skin. It's just stupid.

[Kyle]

What's your opinion on peptides as a whole?

[Brendan]

Peptides as a whole? It really depends which one I'm on BPC157. Huge fan of it. Started that somewhat recently and like, you know jiu jitsu, you get little injuries and you probably have some lingering injuries, I'm guessing from the training.

[Kyle]

I got a couple BPC shots in my ankles, dude.

[Brendan]

I'm on my ankle right now. Like I like sprained my ankle. Then I went and trained to the Michael Morales at UFC fighter and I was like, it, I'm just gonna train with my ankle swollen. So it got worse and then boom, I'm hitting with bpc. Like I brought some to Tahoe with Me, because I just came back from town, I'm like, I'm not gonna not snowboard my boys. And that combined with the physical therapy, like. Like movement of it, it's pretty far. I'm a big fan of it. But then, I mean, other peptides, like ghk, CU is very popular. That seems relatively safe. But then there's ones that mess with your endocrine system. Like, some of the austerine and stuff can mess with your endocrine system. Retta, you know, is, like, very popular. Again, like, sure, if you're really overweight, you could use it, but not everybody should be using that.

[Steiny]

I mean, you don't have any cheat meals, do you?

[Brendan]

I don't. Like, a cheat meal for me is like, you don't smoke weed Tacos. I used to smoke weed. I don't control your diet.

[Steiny]

When you smoked weed?

[Brendan]

When I was healthy and still smoked, yes.

[Friend 1]

When's the last time you had.

[Brendan]

You had a drink, like, a couple years ago. Oh, yeah.

[Friend 1]

So you just stopped, like, a couple years ago?

[Brendan]

I had, like, one shot.

[Friend 1]

Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

[Brendan]

But, dude, back in the day, shout out, happy dad. Like, I was still in this, like, thing of trying to be healthy when I was younger and still, like, trying to go drink with my friends and, like, a cleaner seltzer. Like, that way better option alcohol.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it's way better than beer.

[Brendan]

You know, I don't advocate for this, but it's like, the reality. It's like people in college and young people are gonna drink alcohol. So it's like, you might as well have a stack that you could do to try to stay healthy. And people will call that dumb because, like, well, alcohol's a poison. But it's like, let's talk reality here. Like, people are gonna go drink. They're gonna want to socialize. So it's like, you're way better off having a few of those staying hydrated Coronas. I haven't done this for over a decade. But, like, the dark beers, like, bro, you're gonna be so up. You're gonna be so hungover. There's so much other. You're basically drinking bread.

[Kyle]

There's 13 grams of carbs in a Corona.

[Brendan]

Yeah. So you.

[Kyle]

That's why I got fat as before.

[Brendan]

Oh, beer will.

[Kyle]

Just because I don't know how many Coronas I drank in my life.

[Steiny]

A lot.

[Brendan]

A lot. A lot of Ronas. And that's a lot of sugar, dude. Yeah, and it's like, you know, you can go out at night and have, like, A little n acetylcysteine in your pocket, little vitamin C, a little magnesium rip, some electrolytes and water in between drinks. And like, you know, activated charcoal after you drink. Everything can really help and you'll be less hungover.

[Kyle]

Activated charcoal?

[Brendan]

Yeah. So if you get alcohol poisoning of steiny tonight at the airport for, you know, red eye, like goes off and has like, you know, 10 whiskey, whiskey shots, I don't know. And he gets alcohol poisoning, God forbid they would pump him full of activated charcoal at the hospital. But you can take like small doses of activated charcoal and it will reduce hangovers. It's pretty sick.

[Steiny]

Where do you get that at?

[Brendan]

Anywhere. Any health food store. Yeah, like Whole foods has them.

[Kyle]

What's a few natural ways to boost test?

[Brendan]

The most important thing for test is sleep. And the problem is many people, they can't wind down, bro. Like, and dude, you know, I'll struggle with it too when I'm like, it's fun. It's fun going on our phones. We all work on our phones and shit. There's like so much going on that people have a lot of trouble winding down. So like the free method for that is there's something called 4, 7, 8 breathing and it's just been proven to lower your heart rate. So you go on YouTube, you type in 478 breathing and it's somebody literally breathing for four. You hold for seven, you exhale for eight. You do that for like five, 10 minutes just in the dark. Make your room completely dark. Because, bro, like, dude, I see people like, I'm going to bed and the room will look like this. It's like, no, you're not. She might be going into some wax stages of sleep, but you're not actually like, like getting deep sleep. And sleep is the number one thing for test.

[Kyle]

What else besides sleep? Like diet wise or.

[Brendan]

Yeah, I think diet wise. Like there is evidence that like having a bounce macronutrient ratio where you do have some saturated fats in your diet. I think people are a little bit afraid of the saturated fats, but they can help your endocrine system. And then I'm a huge fan of eating red meat. Like, there's something to it. I think everybody has felt that effect. If you eat a steak and like, you know, later with your girl and you lay good pipe. It happens.

[Steiny]

Yes, Sir. Liver King 2.0.

[Brendan]

Liver King 2.0. Well, hey, I don't want to shout out liver king. That's awesome.

[Steiny]

Whatever. Is he still around?

[Brendan]

I visited him last year.

[Steiny]

Oh, you did?

[Brendan]

Yeah. And we did the barbarian workout at his late compound. He's sick, dude. Like, he's out there. Yeah, I'll say. But he's cool. He's a cool dude.

[Steiny]

You've done so many collabs with anyone. Maybe we would know. Was there someone where you were like, dude, this guy has to change their entire lifestyle or their.

[Brendan]

I have concerns about. I have concerns about Neon's health. Legit. I love Neon. I text him sometimes he has, like, Crohn's disease.

[Steiny]

Oh, he does.

[Brendan]

And tried to link him with, like, a functional medicine doctor who's like, dude, I can fix your Crohn's. And, like, he hasn't. Like, you have to, like, submit all these lab tests and stuff. And I know it's, like a bit of work and sometimes you just forget about it, but, bro, that can catch up with you, you know? So, yeah, he needs to dial it in.

[Steiny]

Where do you do, like, Brian Johnson's scientist? Just where do you get all your research from where you're pretty confident you're right.

[Brendan]

Yeah, totally. I mean, so I got my degree in anthropology from UC Santa Cruz. And so you study, like, the history of human beings and how we lived. And I got super interested in the medical anthropology side of things. Like, you start to, like, see, like, these tribes and stuff. And, like, one of the things I always bring up is there was this one anthropologist that went to this island, and he noticed that none of the people there had acne. So they brought up, like, dermatologists and stuff. And they were like, they did all these medical exams on these people. The teenagers didn't have acne. The adult, they never word for it. It. Okay, so he's like, what is going on? And his conclusion was, it's the gut microbiome. It's no processed foods whatsoever. And now you see all the research with the gut skin axis. If you type that into PubMed, if anybody's interested, you can read all about it. Your gut microbiome makes up your immune function and tremendously influences your skin health. So back in college, I'm a little vain, you know, I'm like, I'm trying to get my skin better. I start eating real food. Boom. Like, instant. So that, like, sent me down a rabbit hole.

[Steiny]

Real food as opposed to what that just processed food?

[Brendan]

Yeah, fast food. Just.

[Steiny]

Dude, I saw something the other day that people, Chipotle is bad for you.

[Brendan]

You know, I'm not really against Chipotle, bro.

[Friend 1]

Like, fast, like, spots like that.

[Brendan]

I mean, Chipotle is A great. You go there, you get some rice, you get some meat. Like, sure. They use seed oils. I'm not a fan of seed oils, but, like, bro, we're talking, like, that's pretty low on a lot of people's list of, like, the important things for health. Sure. I think once you have the resources, you should dial that in. But I think Chipotle is pretty good in and out. You order a protein style, you go there, you get like a 3. 0.

[Friend 1]

Beef's fresh, too.

[Brendan]

Yeah. I mean, it's like a decent option. And you get the lettuce wrap.

[Steiny]

What if someone in your car wants to get their fries animal style? Do you with them or kick them out of the car?

[Brendan]

How do you kick them out of the car?

[Steiny]

Well, dude, what the Are they putting in their body? We can't allow them.

[Brendan]

I'll roast them a little bit. Yeah, but I'm roasting them out of love. Yeah. You know, like, that's why I love you, sonny. You know, you lock in.

[Steiny]

I know. Yeah.

[Brendan]

Your health is important.

[Steiny]

It's gotten a lot better. And one of the.

[Brendan]

Has it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

You guys, he's hitting a little bit of a wall slowly, I think.

[Steiny]

But I mean, like, in terms of

[Kyle]

drinking and getting ready to. It flips for everyone at a different time, right?

[Brendan]

For sure.

[Steiny]

Yeah. The partying kind of caught up to me, and I was just like, I can't live like this anymore.

[Brendan]

Partying is tough, man.

[Kyle]

He thinks he needs steroids to get in shape.

[Steiny]

No.

[Brendan]

You think you need to get on gear.

[Steiny]

I think it would make that process a hell of a lot faster. We can agree on that, right?

[Brendan]

Yeah. If you just want to get jacked and diet, like, 42 of a heart attack. But, like, if you just want to have, like, a long, healthy life, you

[Steiny]

know, a little longer than 42.

[Brendan]

A little longer. Just a little longer than that. No, man. I think you're enjoying life. Yeah, I see your Instagram stories, you know, you look like you're enjoying life, I hope.

[Steiny]

No, I am. I. I've changed a lot of habits, but it's got a lot better.

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[Brendan]

What's like a day in the life of Steiny? Like, wake up. What time?

[Steiny]

Nine or ten? Okay, I, I have a problem and I need to change this. I lay in bed for like 45 minutes. I think that's an unhealthy habit.

[Brendan]

It sort of is unhealthy. Like, you know, people talk about cortisol a lot. It's like this like, term now, like, you want to be very low cortisol. Like, don't spike your cortisol, but like your body has a cortisol rhythm and it rises in the morning and it falls throughout the day. And you can do this lab test called a Dutch test. I'll send you one where you basically track your cortisol rhythm throughout the whole day. And if it doesn't rise in the morning and then fall throughout the day, you're cooked. And this is why a lot of people get like insomnia. You can see it on the Dutch test. Like, bro, it's 9pm and your cortisol is spiking.

[Steiny]

Okay, so that, let me ask you this, how do you know when. Because everyone likes to say, dude, I have insomnia. And it's probably their habits. And like, sometimes I think, dude, I might have it because I can't fall asleep at night unless I take melatonin

[Brendan]

or nyquil or some damn. Which is actually terrible, right? That's actually really good.

[Steiny]

So I'm trying to like, just fall asleep. Well, dude, with its own scare.

[Brendan]

No, I'm just like, dude, I got about. You should hear this, bro. You're downing nyquil, like, this is what. This is the thing. I think a lot of people need to like, really like, re evaluate their.

[Steiny]

That will put you to sleep.

[Friend 1]

Melatonin. Melatonin is addicting, though.

[Brendan]

I'm not a fan of daily melatonin use. Like, I'm not against melatonin.

[Kyle]

Nothing for me.

[Steiny]

See, this helps.

[Friend 1]

It helps me.

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[Brendan]

It's not a bad. Melatonin is not a bad thing. Like, we make those sleep caps that your boys on, and it's like those don't have melatonin. That's on purpose because it. It wants to be a nice gentle nudge to get like that eyes heavy feeling. And you get good sleep, but you don't wake up feeling like groggy with me. And you feel groggy in the morning with NyQuil. You probably feel mad. There's for sick, bro. There's red 40 in NYL too. That's why it's all red. NY.

[Steiny]

You're only sick.

[Brendan]

You're not a sick individual.

[Steiny]

Let's say. Let's say I'm trying to get off that.

[Brendan]

Okay, if you're trying to get off that, here's what you do. You know, it's the time you want it. What time do you go to sleep? 10, 11.

[Steiny]

Yeah, 11 to midnight. Between.

[Brendan]

Okay, so it's 11. You've texted your roster. You know, Stein needs dialed. Okay. Okay. So you're ready to go to sleep. You need to first make your living space dark. Dark. Actually dark. Hours before that, you should have thrown on blue blockers. Like, those orange tinted glasses are legit. Wear them at night for sure. So you throw those on hours before. Now it's time to go to bed. Yeah. Do you have a pair of those?

[Kyle]

No.

[Brendan]

I'll get you, bro. Those are actually really legit. And if you have like a flight at night, for example, and like, let's say you're gonna land back home in Canada and you want to go to sleep. Like, bro, wear those in the plane. You're just blasting yourself with blue light. Your eyes are getting fatigued, and it's signaling to your body to stop producing melatonin. So then it makes it hard to fall asleep. Sleep. The blue light blockers are a game changer for me, bro. It's like, dude, I live a normal life. Like, I'm chilling with my wife. We're gonna watch like landman. It's like 7pm I'm not like, gonna like rise and fall with the sunset. I'm living a somewhat normal Life. But I throw on the blue blockers and I'm getting way less blue light in my eyes. And then you make your room, like, completely dark. And then I would take magnesium. I would take something like, you know, l. Theanine. Like, we make sleep caps, have L Theanine. Some other herbs in there, like, gentle push to go to sleep.

[Steiny]

Does magnesium make you tired or make you.

[Brendan]

No, that's a really weird thing. Like, magnesium doesn't make you tired. Magnesium glycinate can help sleep because it's glycine. With magnesium, there's just actually a new study about this. It was pretty cool. But magnesium won't, like, knock you out. Yeah, but it helps with everything. The body helps over 300 processes in the human body. Like, you need magnesium. So that's another thing. Like, you shouldn't worry too much about when you take it. Like, some people are like, oh, I forgot to take my magnesium. Like, it's too late or like, too early in the day. Like, just pop that, you'll be fine. And then you should try that, like, deep breathing, meditation, prayer, man. You'll fall asleep.

[Steiny]

You do that at night?

[Brendan]

I do in the morning and at night. Yeah, I breathe, man. Yeah, you just sit there.

[Steiny]

The deep breath.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

So like right now, I've never seen a video of you doing it, bro.

[Brendan]

I have some videos of that.

[Kyle]

It's easier to just take a scoop of NyQuil, right?

[Brendan]

I mean, this is like, I'm talking about breathing and making your room dark versus, like, man made Nyquil for sure. So these are the options we have here.

[Steiny]

No, I need to go with the man made.

[Brendan]

No, you don't know. Yeah, go with the natural, dude. So this breathing I'm doing lately, I'm trying to get more into spearfishing. So I'm doing this breathing at night where it's like, it's called breathing tables. You, like, breathe and then you hold your breath for a certain amount of time, then, you know. And that shit's intense, bro. And I'm trying to get to, like, be able to like, dive down with the spear gun. Like, hold my breath for like two minutes. These dudes can go down. Like, it's insane.

[Steiny]

We saw it. We saw Forest Galante do it in Australia,

[Brendan]

dude. People just go down for like, three minutes. Yeah, it's insane. I really don't get how they do that. So I'm just trying to get up to like, maybe like, minute and a half underwater, shoot some fish. Because right now I'm going down. I'm like, yeah, I'm just. I'm capping the fish, but it's not.

[Kyle]

What's your training regimen like?

[Brendan]

My training regimen is I do weights, like hard, like three times a week, and then I try to go to jiu jitsu, like twice a week. And then I surf. I like to throw in, like, different hobbies like surf, mountain bike. And then my new thing lately is I want to get good at spearfishing and free diving. So that should.

[Kyle]

I saw you doing like some conditioning on your IG or something like.

[Brendan]

Oh, like on the assault bike probably. Or you.

[Kyle]

You're walking like, of.

[Brendan]

Oh, with.

[Friend 1]

I think you're talking about a barbarian.

[Brendan]

That was the barbarian. Oh, okay. So Liver King's barbarian workout, okay, went super viral. A lot of creators, like, did it when he was like, popping and It's. You take two 70 pound kettlebells. You have a backpack with 70 pounds on you. You have shoulder straps attached to a sled with 120 pounds on a minimum 35 pound sled. The ones that Liver King's property are like heavy ass rogue sleds. You have ankle weights on, 20 pounds of ankle weights. You can only walk when you're holding the kettlebells and you go a mile, bro, we're at Liver King.

[Kyle]

How much weight is that on you?

[Brendan]

It's like 385 or something, bro. It's insane. It's like, what the. So we got cooked, bro. We're at Liver King's house and we're sitting down at dinner and he says some. Like when we're like, we're signing off for dinner, he has all these weird things and he's like, liver King something out. And we're like. He goes, yeah, he was. We were trying to get him off that Joe Rogan. I was like, bro, Joe Rogan's not going on about it a little bit. And I'm like, bro, Joe Rogan's not your enemy. Crumble Cookie is your enemy. He kind of got on that train a little bit like, Crumble, Cookie, the enemy, Crumble, McDonald's, Taco Bell, all that. I was trying to get him on that wave, which he is a little bit. But then he goes to his son. His son. His kids are really cool. And they go, striker the Barbarian out. And it goes to his next son, Rad the Barbarian out. Then it goes to my videographer and he goes, albert the Barbarian out. And Liver King freaks out, starts throwing plates in there and freaks out. And I'm like, oh, we're gonna die now. Like, something just. I don't know what happened. And he's like, once it's. Once it's said, it must be done. You have 24 hours. It's spoken into existence. We go, what the is this fool talking about? And he's like, you have to do the Barbarian workout tomorrow. To my cameraman, Karen's like, okay. So then it goes to my buddy, big wave surfer Savage. He goes, well, I'm not gonna let him do that alone. Tanner the Barbarian out. I'm like, dude, I'm sitting there at that table like, bro, I don't. I'm tired. I don't want to do this. I don't know what it is. Goes to my buddy, Austin the Marine. Marine. He was a Marine. He's a savage. Austin the Marine. Austin the Barbarian out. So it goes to me, I'm like, okay, I. I say, brennan the Barbarian. And the next day we had to do that. It was brutal.

[Steiny]

Wait, how long did it take you to walk the mile?

[Brendan]

2 hours, 48 minutes. Hey, bro, it's brutal, dude. It's so brutal.

[Steiny]

That can't be.

[Brendan]

Like, you would like it almost, because

[Kyle]

it's a lot of weight.

[Brendan]

It's a lot of weight. When I first started doing it, I went, I'm not gonna be able to do this because I'm light, too.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

So I'm like. I'm like. I started doing them, like, I'm like, oh, I'm not going to be able to do this. And, dude, you'll identify with this. It was like one third in, bro. I was like, it was one of the most challenging things I've done physically. And it was like, you're just one third in. I'm like, I'm. I'm broken. You know, My buddy started before me, like, hours before me, and he's my big wave surfer buddy, and he's like our North Star. He ran into the 100 mile, and he's my North Star for physically difficult stuff. And I, like, hear him being like, this is. And I'm like, dude, if Tanner is saying that, like, we're. We're.

[Kyle]

And that was the seal or.

[Brendan]

Yeah, that was. That was my buddy, the big wave surfer. He's the most physically fit dude I know. And he was like, this is absolutely. And I'm like, oh, God. But we just. You just move a little bit at a time and you can. Some people, it takes them 8 hours, 10 hours, 12 hours. You just do it.

[Kyle]

So that sounds.

[Brendan]

Yeah. It was kind of sick, though. Like, after, you know, you get that feeling like once you get there it's, it's for sure. Yeah, it's, yeah, it was kind of worth it.

[Steiny]

Why do people neon when I ask them about you? Like, like they all call you a savage. Is that because you're just brutally honest with people or, or do you go off on. I feel like out of shape.

[Brendan]

I feel like I go a little hard on people but it's from a place of love, like genuinely like 100%. Like I, I've seen the other side of being unhealthy, you know, and like I genuinely want people to be healthy and like it matters so much and people just don't think about it until they're in that place of health's taken away from them and some goes down and you're in the hospital and like it's horrible bro. Yeah. And I don't, I don't want, I don't wish on anybody. And sometimes it does take a little bit of like tough life love, so to speak. The other thing is bro, like I have my company. Like I've made like a lot of money. I do well. So I don't like need anything from anybody. You know what I mean? So I'm not like afraid to like go hard. But I'm not, I'm not trying to go hard in like a negative.

[Steiny]

You see those people that seem like they're happy in the moment, oh, I'm eating whatever I want but they seem happy. And then yeah, they're not thinking longevity and like the, and then one day it's going to hit them and they're going to change their Life for sure.

[Brendan]

100 and dude, like just genuinely I feel good. Like I feel good 99 of the time. Like maybe more. Like I, I, I have energy. I don't get. Like you just hear a lot of people just have this of I have headaches. Like I have a friend who like eats bad and he like shits like seven times a day. It's like, bro, this isn't normal. You don't have to have this going on in your life. You're doing this to yourself. And I think it's self sabotage for a lot of people.

[Kyle]

When you're locked in, there's nothing better.

[Brendan]

There's nothing better. You feel great. So good bro, you feel amazing.

[Kyle]

And bro, like that when I hit that like 21 days of like being like lock locked in, I feel like I'm taking like the limitless pill.

[Brendan]

It's really amazing.

[Kyle]

Crazy, bro.

[Brendan]

And when did you, you guys kind of Got on, like, a health wave, like, recently. Somewhat recently, yeah.

[Kyle]

For me, like, three years ago. I did my first transformation.

[Brendan]

And then what inspired that? Just. You just wanted to get jacked or what?

[Kyle]

Just hitting a wall with partying a little bit.

[Friend 1]

I got inspired by him and did my own.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Yeah. And you started Jiu Jitsu. Yeah. And how do you like it?

[Friend 1]

I love it, man. It's addicting.

[Brendan]

It's. It is addicting.

[Friend 1]

I haven't done it in a minute, but once. Honey Badger, I was telling you about him.

[Brendan]

We all love it.

[Kyle]

Our whole crew loves it. Just being, you know, when we're on one, when we're on our.

[Steiny]

It.

[Kyle]

Yeah, you're sleeping good. You're eating good.

[Brendan]

You guys are pretty locked in, though. Like, your whole, like, schedule of just, like, being here. Like, you were like. You wake up, like, you're like, yo, we're ripping the gym at this time. Like, you get the whole crew there.

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[Kyle]

I'm just addicted to it, too.

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[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

If I don't. If I'm not moving my body for two days, three days, like, I start to get depressed.

[Brendan]

100.

[Kyle]

Like, I literally just. I'm on edge. I don't feel good.

[Brendan]

If they could put work down the pill, bro, like.

[Friend 1]

Yeah, you feel like you owe your body something.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Friend 1]

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[Friend 1]

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[Brendan]

Yeah. You just feel more mentally locked in. Then it makes you better in every aspect of your life. That's why I don't. I really don't get people who don't work out. Like, just get through that initial two weeks of it sucking, and then just do it. Like, everything in your life gets better. Like, woman will like you more. Like, if you have a partner, like, sex will be better. Like, you'll be able to focus more. You'll make more money. Like, what?

[Friend 1]

Like, it starts in there.

[Kyle]

It's really tough to just start into.

[Brendan]

That's why I told people, just walk.

[Kyle]

But I think it clicks. It just clicks for, like. For me, it just clicked because I was trying to do it for so long. And I'd just be in and out, in and out. And then one day, you kind of just. It's like a light switch.

[Brendan]

And you gotta have locked in friends. Dude, you guys have Brad.

[Kyle]

That's key.

[Brendan]

Shout out Brad. Dude, which one?

[Steiny]

Kraut? Yeah, Kraut.

[Kyle]

Yeah, he's.

[Brendan]

I mean, Bradley Martin, of course, but Brad Kraut. He gets me fired up, bro.

[Kyle]

Crowds locked in.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

I mean, it's all who you Surround yourself with too.

[Brendan]

That's facts. And what's. What's like next though? Like you just ran 100 miles. I feel like after that it's a new.

[Steiny]

I told. We talked about this.

[Brendan]

What? Oh, the canoe.

[Steiny]

Yes.

[Brendan]

Yeah. Well, well tell. Tell everybody what you want to do.

[Steiny]

I want to canoe from LA to Hawaii.

[Brendan]

Okay. Okay.

[Steiny]

If we did that, would you do it with us?

[Brendan]

I would be down for something like that. Or maybe we do something a little shorter. But nobody's canoed from LA to Hawaii.

[Steiny]

Like what if we did Miami to the Bahamas?

[Brendan]

That would actually be kind of sick. But what canoe, what type of canoe are we talking about? Just like a normal ass.

[Kyle]

It's not even like fitness based.

[Brendan]

That's like, it's funny. We're talking like we gotta like live with Pirates for six years. He ran like 100 miles. You're talking about like getting lost in the Bermuda Triangle with me on a can.

[Friend 1]

New.

[Steiny]

Talking about doing something legendary, bro.

[Brendan]

I mean, it's pretty sick.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

I mean, honestly. I'm done. Let's go, bro.

[Steiny]

There we go.

[Brendan]

Okay, Stein and I'm going to be on anything new.

[Steiny]

I'm in a Bimini. I think it would maybe take us.

[Kyle]

He won't do it though. It's a cop out.

[Brendan]

I can talk to some experts. My buddy, that same dude, the big wave surfer, paddled from Lahaina to Maui or Lahaina to Oahu. Like from an island in Hawaii to another island on a surfboard with just a paddle. No, nothing, bro. Just his hands. Yeah, it's called the Alahina Oahu Challenge or whatever it is.

[Kyle]

I mean, people have done some nut shit.

[Brendan]

So long, bro. Like nine hours, ten hours, maybe longer. It's so cozy. There's tiger sharks. There's like a bunch of people doing it. It's like a race.

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[Kyle]

What do you think's another crazy fitness challenge?

[Brendan]

How did you find the time to train to run, bro? My buddy.

[Kyle]

I completely dedicated myself to it. Yeah.

[Brendan]

Because, like, my. When my buddy was training for it, like, you were probably doing the same thing where. It's where he's like, this week, I need to do 40 miles or whatever it. You know, this week I need to do this.

[Kyle]

I mean, it started at 50, and it went up to 105.

[Brendan]

Whoa.

[Kyle]

72 days we started.

[Brendan]

That's wild. Yeah. There's just no time for anything else. I'm good off that, dude. You know, the funny thing with training jiu jitsu is my buddies try to get me into running and it's like, like, bro. Like, I'm in, like, the leg lock game now.

[Steiny]

Like, my.

[Brendan]

Yeah, always tweet, dude. Like, I always have a little tweak. Like, when you train hard.

[Friend 1]

We're sweating in there.

[Brendan]

Yeah, it's good cardio.

[Kyle]

I did jiu jitsu with him and it up my knee one day because we're doing drills and he's tossing me down like, 10 times in a row and. And I'm landing on my hands and knees. I'm like, this is probably not a good idea.

[Brendan]

You do get less injured once you reach, like, this sort of level. Like, maybe, like, for a minute, like a couple months. Once you get less injured.

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[Friend 1]

You'll start to know what's good for sure. Yeah.

[Brendan]

But, yeah, there's always little tweaks and on, like, my knees, like somebody heel hooking.

[Friend 1]

When I first started, I was getting sore, like, in weird spots.

[Brendan]

Oh, 100. Yeah. Yeah.

[Steiny]

I also want to do, like, not like a Mount Everest, but like a smaller mountain.

[Brendan]

If you want to climb Mount Shasta with me, I could arrange that this summer. My buddy climbs Mount Shasta.

[Steiny]

Summer, yeah.

[Brendan]

My buddy climbs Mount Shasta. Like every year.

[Kyle]

What's that?

[Brendan]

It's a mountain up in Northern California. It's one of the tallest mountains on the west coast. Is it the tallest. It's one of the tallest mountains on the west coast.

[Kyle]

Like is it a hike or is it like a free fall climbing part

[Brendan]

of it's a hike and then it gets into like you are like. Yeah, I don't ice picking.

[Kyle]

Like I don't with that.

[Brendan]

You just said you want to climb a mountain, bro.

[Steiny]

Well, I thought you there's not like terrain you can just walk.

[Brendan]

You just want to go on a height. You want to go to run. You can with a bunch of chicks.

[Steiny]

You know what? These my favorite videos. And I'll never understand this. I was watching this, I think yesterday. These guys that go in these really tight caves.

[Brendan]

Oh.

[Steiny]

Where they can barely breathe, bro.

[Friend 1]

Where the things like, like I was

[Kyle]

thinking trying to do a whole hell week would be crazy.

[Brendan]

That would be pretty sick. Well, like Navy Seal style.

[Kyle]

I did one day of Seal training. I honestly think it was harder than 100 miles, dude.

[Brendan]

It, that stuff is brutal. It was. Yeah. One of my buddies is like Navy search and rescue right now. Thor Squatch. He's the gnarliest dude. Like you can just tell. Like. Yeah, but I don't know. I like like sort of the ocean stuff. Like my like fitness goals, whatever. It's like I want to surf like bigger waves and then I want to get into spearfishing. Like, I don't know. Something about that seems so fun to me. I've been a few times and I like it. That's dope. But it's just all about you just find cool that like is healthy and you just do it like bro. Like, it's literally I think like the meaning of life. Like that's like what drives me in life. It's just fun, dude. Like, it's so fun and people don't have that. I, I, that's why I try to spread and preach like this message of like, you do actual fun. It's great.

[Kyle]

I like it.

[Brendan]

Ice fishing. No, I'd be down for that though.

[Kyle]

That'd be cool. I'll be down for that.

[Steiny]

Yeah. It's also what's Harold and Kumar.

[Brendan]

Oh yeah.

[Steiny]

You remember that you're been ice fishing. It's. We should just, you know what?

[Kyle]

You know, we honestly should go live up in like the igloos and if that exists.

[Steiny]

See, that's what I'm talking about. That's some thrill. I like the thrill of seeking do

[Brendan]

you guys ski or snowboard or what?

[Steiny]

Ski. I grips.

[Brendan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Steiny]

I grew up in Colorado.

[Brendan]

Oh, nice. Okay. So you're a snow guy.

[Steiny]

Yeah, and I did mountain biking. I used to be way more outdoorsy. Fly fishing, too, but then what happened? Moved to la.

[Brendan]

Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[Steiny]

And then gets dark.

[Brendan]

Yeah. Yeah, it does, man. You got to move to San Diego. I always try to pitch people on moving to San Diego. It's beautiful out there. Out there.

[Steiny]

What's a fun way that the most fun way you think for someone who wants to get into cardio?

[Brendan]

Mountain biking is an amazing one. You can almost mountain bike anywhere in the United States. Surfing. You're right. It's, like, not accessible for a lot of people. But, like, bro, surfing is the most fun thing to do, I think, on planet Earth, honestly.

[Steiny]

And you wear, like, a calorie burner tracker.

[Brendan]

I don't, but, like, I've seen people wear theirs when they surf. They burn a shitload of calories, especially when the waves are, like, kind of pumping. Pumping hundreds and hundreds of calories. You're talking, like, 700 calorie thousand calorie people aren't in jiu jitsu. Thousand calorie days. Like, it's. It's pretty wild. It's hard work.

[Friend 1]

It gets hot, bro.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

What do you think of, like, moving a lot? Like, Clav and all the. He preaches, like, the bone smashing and stuff like that.

[Brendan]

I have, like, empathy for Clav because when I was, like, 19, 20, I was posting some throwback photos, say I was kind of like a wild boy. Like, I just posted a thing like, he got arrested for having a fake id, and people were, like, clowning him, and he had, like, probably some drugs in his pocket or whatever. And it's like, I can't go hard on that because it's like, bro, when I was 19, I was arrested for a fake ID. So I can't, like, sit everyone out of fake. Exactly. It's like. So I can't really sit here and judge where it's like, okay, if I was young and I got that famous, like, you know, would I be doing a perfect. Would I be living a perfect life? No. So I have, like, empathy for him now as far as, like, what he talks about. I think he starts with, like, a thing that everyone agrees with, which is looks are very important, especially if you're a young man. It's going to massively influence the way that you interface with the world and interface with life. And there's things you can do to improve your Looks where it gets a little wild is like the bone smashing stuff, the surgery. Hormones from a young age. Now to be fair to him, like if you actually listen to him talk about hormones from a young age, he's not really recommending it to people. He says, people are too stupid to do what I did. They're going to mess themselves up. But he goes, I did Testosterone at age 14 and I think it benefited me. I think that's. Yeah, I think that's bad advice. I think you can raise your testosterone to above a thousand nanograms per deciliter. Just optimizing normal shit as a teenager. And I, I just worry about how self conscious all this stuff is going to make people, especially in this social media age. And then further than that, while looks are very, very important, I think dudes will be able to get girls and have success romantically even if they aren't a perfect looking human being. Like, that's not the whole picture when it comes to like what females want. It's a big piece of it.

[Kyle]

Look at us, right? Yeah, we never.

[Brendan]

Well, you guys are pretty good looking, but yeah, I mean like, you know, like it's like, no, I'm saying we

[Kyle]

could be better looking, but we're still, we're doing decent for sure.

[Brendan]

But then this community kind of has it and out for everything. Well, they'll be like, well, your status, max. Yeah, you know, like I was arguing

[Kyle]

about what Status does matter a lot.

[Brendan]

For sure it does. 100.

[Kyle]

If I was just back in Canada right now, I'd be, I'd be for sure. If I didn't have milk, if I didn't have milk or some dude.

[Brendan]

But then it's like, it's like, then it's like you figure it out. Like maybe if you're like a 6,5 giga Chad, you'd just be in Canada right now slaying. But you'd be like not doing much with your life. Like I think some personality gets like formed. Like I was talking to him about like, I was like, you know, I'm sure short Stein can identify you do develop personality through that. Like there's no way that you don't. And like, you know, if everybody's just gonna go get height surgery or whatever and be like 64 and not be able to walk. It's like in my mind that would affect how, dude, like let's say you get to know a chick and you've gotten leg surgery and you can't run or whatever, but you're like six two now at Some point, let's say you really want to like, what's the end goal? You want to like meet a really good woman and marry her, right?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

You're gonna have to now like divulge to this woman. Like. Yeah, I was like so self conscious of my height that like I broke my legs in a few places and went to China and did the surgery wherever they do it. And that's why I won't be able to run, won't be able to go on jogs with you, honey. But I'm like 6:2. Like, I don't know, man. I would rather just be short and you know, just. I don't know, that's how I feel.

[Kyle]

But short, funny. Guys clean up. Yeah, you clean up.

[Brendan]

Steiny cleans up. Dude, let's go.

[Kyle]

I haven't seen it in a while,

[Brendan]

but I got a girl.

[Kyle]

I hear stories about it.

[Brendan]

You got a girl?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Nice.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

When do you want to get married and have kids?

[Steiny]

And you know, I've been thinking about it recently.

[Brendan]

For real? Yeah.

[Steiny]

Not not having kids, but. Yeah, getting married.

[Brendan]

You want to get married?

[Steiny]

Yeah, I'm just so do you want to have kids?

[Kyle]

I never asked you that.

[Steiny]

Yeah, maybe not right now. I don't think it's smart. I think you. I think.

[Kyle]

No, not right now. I'm saying just any adventure.

[Steiny]

I think so. And I think you can agree with

[Brendan]

this as a father, like, I don't have kids. There was a stream that said you had kids. No, there's probably some clip. You guys know the clips.

[Kyle]

Like he just said it so confidently.

[Brendan]

I almost, I was like, should I just go with this?

[Kyle]

We still don't research on Folsom Pod.

[Brendan]

No, he probably, you know, shout out all the clippers out there.

[Steiny]

Explain this. Explain this. There's a stream clip of you saying I have kids at home, bro.

[Brendan]

No.

[Steiny]

Okay, well, there's something about you saying you had kids.

[Brendan]

I thought you were father.

[Friend 1]

My fault.

[Brendan]

But you're married. Yeah, I'm married. I'm gonna have kids. I'm definitely gonna have kids probably the next year or two. Like we're like my wife and I get like, I have like the baby books. I'm reading. Like we're gonna have kids for sure.

[Steiny]

But what I was saying is I think you gotta wait until you're ready to actually be a good father.

[Brendan]

Of course. Oh, 100, bro. I was like, I need to like get like the, the nice house in like San Diego area. Like dial everything in. Get like my routine styled in like, you know, like, make certain amount of money. Then, like, then I'm ready to have kids. And on the health side of things, I'm doing like all these deep, like, lab tests. I'm like having my wife do like these like great lab tests you can do if you have money. It's unaffordable. Let's be real. But like, yeah, you can really dial in some things with like, just like the health of pregnancy and stuff. So, yeah, it's cool. I'm excited to have kids, man. I'm at that point, I think two or three. Yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to do one of these.

[Steiny]

What if, what if you came home one time and your wife was stressed out and she was outside smoking a vape?

[Brendan]

A vape? I mean, I, she just would never vape.

[Steiny]

Okay, but what if she did? Would you allow her back in the home?

[Brendan]

Yes, I would allow her back in the home. This is a woman I love. I would be like, concerned about her. I wouldn't just like, lock her out.

[Steiny]

Well, this takes me to my next question is with this a great interview.

[Brendan]

I love this dude. This guy for this podcast. Dude, this is great.

[Steiny]

It's good with Brian Johnson, who's another expert.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

And you guys don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. How do people. That's true.

[Brendan]

Yeah, I think we see eye to eye on a lot of things.

[Kyle]

He doesn't sleep with his wife in his the same bed.

[Brendan]

That's low key crazy, bro.

[Steiny]

Because he's trying, he's trying to sleep, Max. So for sleep maxing, you probably want to have.

[Brendan]

I get amazing sleep sleep in my bed with my wife.

[Steiny]

Okay.

[Kyle]

It sucks sleeping in the same bed with a chick when you're not super comfortable with her yet.

[Brendan]

But after you get comfortable, I agree with that.

[Kyle]

Turn over to your own side and yeah, that's it.

[Brendan]

If I like rewinded like, you know, the first like times I like spent nights with my wife, sure. My sleep probably wasn't optimized. That's also like a fun part of like life. Like, you know, there's some, you know, thing changes we make, you know. But yeah, like, like you were saying.

[Steiny]

Let me say this. So back to that point, then how many people come at you and say, hey, hey, you're full of for this part or you're just trying to sell this. And how do you react to those guys?

[Brendan]

Oh, there's always those people, bro. So like, you know, like the biggest thing like I do is I like basically protest and talk a lot of about fast food. I talk about crumble. I talk about the Red 40 they put in our food. And naysayers will be like, there's no studies that Red40 is bad for us. Like, you should just, you know, let people drink.

[Friend 1]

Red Cheetos are good, dude.

[Brendan]

They're not good.

[Friend 1]

I'm so.

[Brendan]

I love.

[Friend 1]

I love chips. I'm sorry to say that, but I just.

[Brendan]

Like, you're eating Red 40. My thing is, like, this is. I went viral as for the red 40 years ago. Like, it went so viral, like, in different languages. And, you know, you guys know it is. I'm so happy that that happened because it raises awareness about food. It got millions of people thinking, wait, what the is in my food? Why is Red 40 in my food? It's just a red food dye that does nothing and makes it bright red. This is stupid what's going on here. And it gets people thinking about that. And that's why I've inspired millions of people to be healthy.

[Steiny]

So what does Red40 do to you?

[Brendan]

Red40 does not. It just is a artificial food food dye. The worry about it is when you look up red 40 and these artificial food dyes and benzene contamination. Benzene is a known carcinogen, and in the manufacturing process of those food dyes, they can be contaminated with benzene. So that's why I'm like, I'm. I don't want to eat that.

[Steiny]

You're absolutely right there. I've seen everyone speaks bad about Red 40. I'm pretty sure, like, it was a Coca Cola or someone or something. A huge product. I think Trump passed that they had to remove it.

[Brendan]

Yeah. RFK is doing a lot of stuff like trying to get the artificial food dies out. People then give him and say, there's. There's, you know, more important stuff to focus on with health, which for sure there is. But it's like sometimes when you're a politician, it's like, what can you do? Like, you could put pressure on these food companies to remove these food dyes and have the FDA ban them. I think it's a step in the right direction, personally.

[Kyle]

What do you think of what he's doing as a whole rfk?

[Brendan]

I'm a fan of it, and I. People give him, but it's like, I've never seen anybody talk this much about health on a broad scale. That's what we need. We need. We need more health education, getting people inspired to be healthy. You can nitpick this little thing with rfk like him and Saladino are doing this thing to put like pull up bars and airports. And of course the post goes viral and they're like, who's gonna do pull ups in the airport? There's bigger problems in this.

[Kyle]

It's like I'd crank pull ups in there.

[Brendan]

Oh, it's a. I love like hanging from a pull up bar, decompressing my back.

[Kyle]

This is a possibly a line for that.

[Brendan]

It's. It's culture. It's a culture change.

[Steiny]

You got a fast pass.

[Brendan]

Yeah, yeah. No, there's like a huge line for it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Well that's thing. If there's a huge line for it in the United States, we'd have a locked in country dims the and the airport would be. It would be so sick. You have a layover and it's a culture change, bro. A lot of times when you look at like why are the Japanese people so healthy? It's a culture thing and we need to change that in the United States of America. So when people give RFK hate, I get the. They're talking about a particular issue. This. Okay, gotcha. Okay. Whatever. Overall, I haven't seen anybody push health more than he has on like a big scale in the United States. So I'm a fan of it. Yeah.

[Steiny]

You really don't see that many like fat Japanese or Asian.

[Brendan]

No, they're one of the healthiest populations. And it's just again, culture wise, like there's the blue zones, you know, and like a lot of that is just like they walk a lot.

[Steiny]

What do they do? Because they eat a lot of rice. Right? You don't. Are they in the gym all the time? Like what are they?

[Friend 1]

That's good.

[Brendan]

They're just active. Yeah.

[Steiny]

For the Vietnamese people swear by like you really think Everybody out there, 10k steps a day, bro.

[Brendan]

You need to. Yeah, you need to walk more. 100 like that's. We're built to walk, you know? Yeah. We're 100% like built to move like that. The thing about the Japanese people is there's this group in Okinawa which they're healthier than other Japanese people and they have those like purple potatoes as their carb source. They still eat rice but like those like. So it's like, okay, now this whole population has like this antioxidant polyphenol rich carb source which from those purple Japanese potatoes.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

So little things like that then you can just steal stuff from different cultures. Right. Like all the Maasai people are all jacked naturally. Like jacked. What do they do? They're drinking dairy from their cows. They eat meat. Eat. They drink blood. And you don't have to do that, but, like, okay, let me borrow some aspects of that. These people in the Amazon are really healthy. You just. It's dope, like, and you just feel great.

[Steiny]

How healthy is that sport for you? That's a new sport where two guys just start on each side and they run at each other. And it's just whoever falls over that looks that's gonna kill you.

[Brendan]

It's gonna kill somebody. It's awful.

[Steiny]

How's that exist, bro?

[Brendan]

It's so bad.

[Steiny]

It's so hard to watch.

[Brendan]

It's.

[Steiny]

I think it's in Australia.

[Brendan]

Yeah. But I'd be watching it on Instagram reels. I watch. I watch Power Slap when. If a real pops up, it's hard to, you know, you know, scroll past. It's exciting.

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[Steiny]

Damage to the brain has to be one of the worst.

[Brendan]

Yeah, dude, that's what I did a post that I'm going to post next week about how, like, I do think, like, Jiu jitsu and wrestling are better than striking martial arts. And it's a rage bait things. People are gonna be like, no, it's not like, for self defense. And like, yeah, you're right. Striker. Martial arts are extremely valuable. Ballad boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing. Amazing. But for just like the normal person who wants to do martial arts defending

[Friend 1]

themselves, I think Jiu Jitsu is the best.

[Brendan]

Jiu jitsu is great as far as ever. Yeah. And so what's gonna happen to people? They're gonna go to a box and this happens. Millions of people across the United States, they go to a boxing class. They love it. It's fun. You hit the pads, you hit the thing. Now you want to get good at this thing that you just started, right? That's natural progression. So now you're sparring with people and you just work at like, you know, an insurance company. And now you're sparring. Then you get a little better. Now you're sparring hard, hard. And the only way to actually get better at that sport is spar hard. You're gonna get hit in the head. People get addicted. They go a few times a week. It's not good. If you're gonna get paid to box or you, like, love it, great, go for it. I'm not for, like, being, you know, the pussification of America. Like, go do your. But at least know the risks.

[Steiny]

I'm done with that sparring.

[Brendan]

You respond.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Are you sparring with the Poria? I think I saw that clip.

[Steiny]

I swear to God, dude. I felt different after that.

[Brendan]

Yeah, you got rocked.

[Steiny]

You up. When you get.

[Brendan]

What did you think would happen?

[Steiny]

You don't really think about it in that moment. It. You know, when you're live streaming, it's

[Kyle]

just like, we didn't know we were going to spar with them.

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

You want to bring entertainment.

[Kyle]

We just said we want to work out. And then obviously, yeah, Kyle, they want to punch us in the face.

[Brendan]

Yeah, that shit's rough, bro. I don't. I don't with that. The cool thing about Jiu Jitsu is I'll go. I've just trained Michael Morales, you know, and it's like, I'm going to get up, but I'm going To be fine, bro. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Friend 1]

He'll let you work too.

[Brendan]

And. Yeah, yeah, he's letting me work.

[Kyle]

Really rocked us harder, though. Was more going easy on us. But he was still socking me. But it was like 30.

[Brendan]

Maybe Topori had some rage to take out, so bless his soul.

[Friend 1]

Well, you told him we're Islam fans too.

[Kyle]

I told him you were an Islam.

[Steiny]

You talk a lot. Or you talked briefly in the beginning about this and I. You. You were hating on John Reed because you said there were too many gay guys there.

[Brendan]

But that's a great.

[Kyle]

By the way. No, I actually think John Reed, dude, John Reed, whatever street that is in West Hollywood is the gayest gym on the planet. But the machines are so good that I'm still choosing to go to that gym because the machines, I mean, so

[Brendan]

these guys just invited me to go. The machines were very good.

[Kyle]

They're pretty good. Like, compared to going to Equinox.

[Brendan]

Yeah, no, it was valid.

[Kyle]

And dude, that gym's insane.

[Brendan]

Gay dudes stay in shape.

[Steiny]

That's what I was going to say.

[Kyle]

They do.

[Steiny]

They have the best hygiene. And you said this, like, I really take care of their skin. What do you like? I think a lot of guys are actually curious and they're afraid to say it. And I'll say it for you, but, dude, what do you do for, like, your skin?

[Brendan]

All into the skincare stuff. So, like, I sell and I'm a huge proponent of beef tallow skincare. And it shocks people at first because they're like, it's rubbing beef fat on your skin. This is the original skin care. And beef tallow is cracked for skin health. It's non comedogenic. It's super moisturizing. There's ingredients in there. Like, beef tallow has stearic acid naturally in it. And if you look at a lot of expensive skincare products, they have stearic acid in the expensive skin care products. So like these cosmetic companies know and beef to super affordable, portable. You only need a tiny little bit. It doesn't clog your pores at all. It gives you this beautiful glow. It's amazing.

[Steiny]

You put on your face. Yeah, like before bed or when I

[Brendan]

do it after I shower. So once in the morning, once in the evening, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. It's in my bag. Do you have any?

[Kyle]

Yeah, you gotta send us.

[Brendan]

We make like a beef lip balm, beef tallow Beeswax lip balm. And it's crazy because now you have companies doing synthetic beeswax lip balms. It's cooked, bro. And a lot of skincare products like dry your skin out and create this vicious cycle of you're drying your skin out so your body overproduces sebum to sort of like, you know, like, adapt, and then you have oily skin and it creates this dumbass cycle. I think the modern dermatology is such a scam. It's in your stuff.

[Steiny]

The beef stuff. Can it help with acne?

[Brendan]

Yeah, beef tallow helps with acne so much. Yeah, lip balm, no worries. That's fine. Boom. So, yeah, this is like beef tallow, beeswax and organic spearmint right here.

[Steiny]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Brendan]

We sell these for a better price than Burt's Bees, too. Which is like, Burt's bees has four different types of seed oils now.

[Steiny]

There's more in there.

[Brendan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's four in there.

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[Steiny]

So, I mean, I see two products, Two. Two health people that have the most tick tock shop products. It's your electrolytes.

[Brendan]

Yeah, my electrodes go off.

[Steiny]

One reason I see Joey swoles.

[Brendan]

Oh, yeah. Hot sauces.

[Friend 1]

Every house.

[Brendan]

Oh, you have the electrolytes. The electrolytes are the most popular product. And I think it's because, like I always say, like, if you're training hard, you should take electrolytes. If you're not working out hard, you don't need electrolytes. It's honest truth. I don't think a lot of people would sit here and say that, trying to sell electrolytes, but I don't give a. It's like the truth. But if you wake up in the morning and you're someone who works out and you start your day with a scoop of electrolytes, your day is going to change. You're going to feel so much better.

[Kyle]

Thousand milligrams.

[Brendan]

Yeah. Thousand milligrams sodium, 300 milligrams of potassium and 60 milligrams of magnesium. We threw a little bit of calcium glycinate in the new formula because you do sweat out some calcium. They're just fire, bro. Like, salt is good for you if you love your work, bro. Yeah.

[Steiny]

You don't have to answer this, but I'm curious, what's your biggest month on TikTok Shop? Is it crazy?

[Brendan]

Oh, dude, Tik Tok Shop is not a big revenue source for us. Yeah, they push. Amazons are king, bro. We do millions a month on Amazon as well.

[Steiny]

From electrolytes.

[Brendan]

From just everything, dude.

[Steiny]

Congrats.

[Brendan]

Thank you, bro.

[Steiny]

Awesome.

[Brendan]

Thank you.

[Friend 1]

This is random. But so what made you come up with the name Santa Cruz? Like, where'd that come about?

[Brendan]

Dude, I started the company when I lived in Santa Cruz.

[Friend 1]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

Yeah. I started the company when I lived in Santa Cruz, California. I went to UC Santa Cruz, and I started it out of a small little apartment with my buddy that I've known since I was eight. Young. We started this company, and it just has grown and grown and grown. It's crazy, bro. It's really a blessing and it's fun, man. Like, we have so much. You guys know this. You're doing the same, just in a different way. Like, it's just fun building with, like, people you've known since you were young and you just put good out. Like, we just, like, we ran the company different. We're not trying to, like, oh, let's raise a bunch of investor money. Because with health companies, bro, investors cook

[Kyle]

it because they just want to make money, too.

[Brendan]

It's. Bro, it's literally just like, anti health. Because, like, you would sit there with people and they'd be like, no. Like, let's just put these ingredients in there. We did a survey. People won't care, and you'll be able to make more money. And if I had a bunch of investors on my board, I would get just outvoted and it would be products. That's what it is.

[Steiny]

Yep.

[Brendan]

You see that a lot with health products. They just get even.

[Steiny]

Like, what about, like, a cetaphil lotion? Face lotion?

[Brendan]

Yeah. I worry about a lot of the parabens and phthalates and synthetic preservatives in a lot of those cosmetic products. I'm good. Good.

[Steiny]

Seen bubble boy?

[Brendan]

Bubble boy? Yeah.

[Steiny]

The guy in the bubble, was that Jake Gyllenhaal?

[Brendan]

I don't know who that was. We saw James Franco earlier upstairs. That was cool.

[Steiny]

Oh, really?

[Brendan]

Yeah. Shout out James Franco? Yeah, it was random, but, yeah, no, I'm like, bubble, you're super cautious. I'm cautious, but, bro, I'm definitely not bubble boy. No, I'm just saying, like, no, I. I am mad cautious. Like, my friends will, like, you know, roast me and stuff. But, like, what? It's not out of a place of fear. It's out of a place of knowledge and respect for myself and, like, care. Care. And I just want to feel good. And so it's like, I'll, like, roast something. Like, if I'm like. It's like a joke. Like this couch, like, polyester. I don't give a that I'm sitting In this thing right now. That's not even like an actual thought. It's like a joke. But like, if I owned this place, I'd probably change the couch out.

[Steiny]

What's your craziest thing in your home that most people don't?

[Brendan]

Oh, we have like. I mean, our rug is like Indian wool. We have like a real leather, olive stained leather couch that's like filled. My wife dialed all that in for me and yeah, it's like, that's. That's a lot of money. The couch is like 10 bands, dude.

[Steiny]

There, there's all this stuff everyone has. Not everyone has access to, but red light I agree with. I think. I personally never believed in IVs. I think it's. I think you spend $300 when you could just take. Drink water, take electric.

[Brendan]

Yeah, I mean, just hydrate quicker. You're fine, bro. Just drink some electrolytes. Coconut water is great. Like you're going to get hydrated up. Yeah, there's a lot of things that people can do that I that are like under 100 bucks that do level up their health. The blue light blockers are cracked.

[Kyle]

Just helps you sleep better.

[Brendan]

Yes, bro. You'll notice it like if you just like wear them in the evening when you're around, like light, like how long before bed? I like wearing them like a few. So if I'm gonna turn the TV

[Kyle]

pretty much when you get home and you're winding down.

[Brendan]

Yeah, just throw them off after sunset. Theoretically, how we evolved for millions of years there wasn't light after that, bro.

[Kyle]

And they went to bed at that

[Brendan]

fire emits a different wavelength of light. It emits more red light light and also like fire. This dude was talking about, like the lumens, which is like how bright the light is from fire. If you have a campfire right here, then you walk 10ft that way into the woods, it's dark. As if you have this light on pointing that way, it's going to be like completely illuminated. So it's like a different type of light.

[Kyle]

The fire helped to wind them down.

[Brendan]

Yeah, yeah. Fire will help wind you down. And like, so now you just need to like, imitate this stuff. You. You can't outrun our deep ingrained biological reward mechanisms. You can't outrun that. And people try to outrun that shit all the time. That's what most young men are doing. I'm just not gonna sleep well. I'm just gonna eat this weird random food that was invented like 20 years ago. I'm not gonna exercise even Though my body's built to exercise. I'm not gonna have, like, community and friends and family and get sun. And then they're like, why do I feel bad? Let me take a antidepressant. Oh, I have anxiety now. Let me take Xanax. And then you just go down a worst rabbit hole and you're cooked. And so many people are in that loop. It's crazy. Well said.

[Steiny]

Would you ever try to adapt something? I know you're always probably thinking about it, but let's just say, for instance, because I know a lot of people that are vegan, like, and they swear by it. Would you ever just try it just to see if it could improve your health in any way?

[Brendan]

Would I go vegan?

[Steiny]

Just try to see if it could?

[Brendan]

No, I wouldn't. People have, like, been like, oh, like, do like, super sized meat McDonald's for, like, 30 days to show it would be. Or go vegan to see. I'm. I'm good off that. I think it's pretty clear that, like, getting good animal protein in along with a balanced diet. Fruits, vegetables, all that good is the way to go.

[Kyle]

Yeah, dude, supersize me for a stream would be crazy, bro.

[Brendan]

Well, the guy who did super size I go viral. Passed away way.

[Steiny]

Oh, he did?

[Brendan]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

From what?

[Brendan]

He died of cancer. The guy who did supersize me, I.

[Steiny]

I wouldn't want to do that. Crazy.

[Brendan]

No, I couldn't do that, bro. It would kill you, Gabe.

[Steiny]

What does that do to you?

[Brendan]

30 days of McDonald's. I know this bull loves McDonald's.

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[Brendan]

You love McDonald's. He's. He's. He's improved a lot, bro.

[Steiny]

Year and a half, four years ago, we. This fool used to eat canes every single day.

[Brendan]

So now he's locked in.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I love that.

[Kyle]

When we used to go to Starbucks to get our coffees, he would get a frappuccino.

[Brendan]

Oh, yeah, that's cool. Cooked. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Whipped cream?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Brendan]

That's like 400 right there, bro. I love it. I love it, man. Yeah, I know. That would be cooked a super size. I think one of these. There's nutrition people out there that go like. Oh, like, there's nothing inherently wrong with McDonald's. You just got to hit your right calories, hit your right macro. So actually, I think a nutritionist out there, if they want to try that, all pay for all the McDonald's trash food. Eat McDonald's for 30 days straight. Fit it in your calories and macros there. It's a Challenge out there to those nutritionists. See how you feel.

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[Brendan]

They're not gonna feel good.

[Kyle]

Hell no. Where can everyone find your products?

[Brendan]

Santa Cruz Paleo on Amazon is where people can find our stuff or our website. Santa Cruz Paleo dot com. And yeah, as I always say, don't start with supplements. Get good sleep, eat well. Find a few hobbies that you like. And if your boys aren't into hobbies like that, pull them into that. Be like, yo, I just bought everybody mountain bikes. If you can do that, you know, do something. Go shoot hoops. Get the outside side and lock in.

[Kyle]

Let me get me a list of to my crib. Tell me, step up.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I want all your products.

[Kyle]

I love the protein too.

[Brendan]

Let's go. Yeah, the protein's fire. Anything else?

[Kyle]

Anything else you think I should implement?

[Brendan]

I mean, dude, you're.

[Kyle]

You're pretty, but no, I'm not taking magnesium right now.

[Brendan]

I'm not doing magnesium. You probably need to take some vitamin D because you're traveling so much. And, like, if you're in some of those cold environments, then I'll get you our protein bars, because for traveling, like, when we launch those protein bars, bro, that's just because the thing is, people panic and they go, I don't. I'm so hungry. And you're at an airport and you're like, I'm gonna eat some. And if you just have, like, one of those protein bars, like, dude, you're not gonna eat.

[Kyle]

What's the difference between your protein and, like, just like, any of those companies, I could name the standard ones, like, with the protein, bro. So, like, vanilla oatmeal cookie, and they taste.

[Steiny]

Oh, is yours not flavored, so.

[Kyle]

No, it is a bit, but they. It tastes very.

[Brendan]

Bro, the problem with those is, I mean, the number one thing actually is I'm really not a fan of all these gums. If anybody looks at their protein right now, there'll be Xanthan gum, Jellin gum, Guar gum, carrot gum, Genan. Those really mess with people's guts. So, like, does it blow you, you think? A little bit. Oh, dude. So bloat. There's studies showing Carageenan makes people bloated. And so, like, I have no gums in our protein powder at all. And then, yeah, like, you're saying we don't have the artificial flavors. Sucralose isn't everything nowadays in those Celsiuses you drink. And I'm not a fan of sucralose. There's a study showing in healthy adults that Drinking sucralose, even like half the amount sometimes that's in like one of those popular drinks drinks. It lowers their acidophilus in their gut. So now you're cooking your beneficial gut microbiome by drinking sucralose. And then it just add. It's like, oh, you drink one of the Celsiuses that has sucralose and then you drink a protein shake with sucralose later in the day. It's like.

[Kyle]

And what does it do to you? Does it bloat you?

[Brendan]

Well, sucralose lowers the amount of beneficial bacteria in your gut. And if you're not like really focusing on replacing that with like good like yogurt and like probiotic foods, then you're going to start to get basically gut dysbiosis. And yeah, you're going to get bloating, you're going to get skin issues. It's like you're.

[Kyle]

How about Coke Zero?

[Brendan]

Yeah. So Coke Zero is a aspartame.

[Kyle]

I love Coke Zero. Wait, this is my thing though. Anything that just tastes too good, it's. It's not good for you. It can't be.

[Brendan]

Oh, man. So I, you know what I mean? Like this weird thing with diet sodas where I, I am against aspartame as potassium. I'm not a fan of them. Okay. But I can't hate on them too hard because I do these videos, bro, going up to people giving them $100 to quit soda, like regular soda, like corn syrup filled. Every human being agrees that drinking a 48 gram corn syrup soda is bad for you. Okay. But some of these people, bro, will be like, I quit the corn syrup soda and I'm doing diet soda. They will lose weight. Yeah. So I can't overly hate on it. I have concerns about the artificial sweeteners, but there's never been like a really

[Kyle]

good study showing Coke Zero is chillin Diet Coke.

[Brendan]

I personally wouldn't drink it, but it's definitely not in like my top things.

[Steiny]

Is there a difference between Coke Zero and Diet Coke?

[Brendan]

Sometimes we'll use different artificial sweeteners. So like it'll be aspartame one, then ace potassium, sometimes another one. Yeah, that's usually like the, the difference

[Kyle]

here is so good.

[Steiny]

Then you're for the boys. But do you ever, like, how focused are you on like women's health too?

[Brendan]

I know a lot about women's health. A lot of the stuff's just the same. Like most of the stuff we talked about.

[Steiny]

Yeah. I just know girls that like take Vyvanse and so they focus, but it's so they don't eat and like that.

[Brendan]

Yeah, I think there's like this. Yeah, 100, bro.

[Steiny]

Like I've called them out. Like, that's true. Oh, every single girl out there needs a five inch prescription.

[Brendan]

No, no, I think with girls there's this big thing of like, they all think they have like anxiety and stuff like that. And it's. And it's like, I think, yeah, women need to lock in just like men like, bro, like develop a meditation routine, like lift weights. Like. Yeah, girls need to be locked into. It's a lot of the same though, dude. Girls are up out here, bro. There was a chick that walked by outside of John Reed, coffee in her hand, obviously. 60 grams of sugar, vape in the same hand. And it's like, bro, that disgusting to me.

[Steiny]

Oh, dude, chicks that vape, it's. We gotta. We need it.

[Kyle]

That's an app.

[Steiny]

We need to put an end to that. I'll go on tour with you and fix that vape. We need to third. We need to put an end to that.

[Brendan]

What about chicks who do 20 zins a day?

[Kyle]

I'd prefer that over chicks as zen.

[Steiny]

I've Zen with a chick.

[Brendan]

You're like, you're like, yeah. You're like, you know, I don't mind it.

[Steiny]

I've done it. I know a girl that's done them.

[Kyle]

They're usually cool ass chicks, let me tell you.

[Brendan]

But not the vapors. No, no.

[Steiny]

We can agree if your chick's like,

[Kyle]

I'd rather a chick that zins and vapes.

[Steiny]

Mid 20s chick that vapes is probably a little crazy.

[Brendan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100. Yeah. I think, like, honestly, it's like the

[Steiny]

sex is probably fire.

[Brendan]

Yeah, well, you would know. Stoke, boys. Yeah. This was fun, man.

[Kyle]

I'm excited to even get more.

[Brendan]

I'm glad you guys are on your health journey. I love it. I love to see it, bro. You guys working out and all that. I think it's amazing.

[Kyle]

We'll do some more content.

[Brendan]

Yeah, you guys inspire millions of people. So seeing you guys push health is just.

[Steiny]

I'm gonna figure out the canoe and we're gonna do it. All of us from. From Miami to Bimini, which is the closest.

[Brendan]

Let's do it. I'll spearfish on the way, bro.

[Steiny]

Stream it.

[Brendan]

I'm down, dude.

[Steiny]

Yes. Okay.

[Kyle]

There might be a way to do it.

[Steiny]

Yeah, there is a way.

[Brendan]

I don't know, like. Yeah. Some survival goal at this point. I know, like, watermen like people do like that. So I'll. I'll figure out something. A yacht like right behind us. I just wor. He's just gonna leave. You did today. He's gonna leave and be on the yacht. He's gonna leave and be on the yacht.

[Steiny]

If we have a safety follow yacht for emergency purposes or. Then yes.

[Brendan]

Yeah. He's gonna have a bunch of. Of chicks on the yacht. You know, a couple cases of happy Dads. Good for clips. Oh, he's floating away like. I'm like, so. Yeah, man. Locked in, but yeah. Thank you, boys for having me.

[Kyle]

Thank you.

[Brendan]

Thank you.

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