Olivia Laing & Matt Wolf

For this episode, Olivia Laing, author of Everybody: A Book About Freedom and Funny Weather: Art in an Emergency, selected her old friend and documentarian Matt Wolf (Spaceship Earth) as the artist she most wanted to speak with. They discuss their abhorrence of the word “storytelling,” mining cultural history for inspiration, and the queerness of living unconventionally—in Olivia’s case, living in a tree.