1: We Need Hot Woke Alpha Males (w/ Dylan Geick)

Summary

Podcast Summary: FYPod Episode 1 – "We Need Hot Woke Alpha Males" (With Dylan Geick)

Podcast Information:

• Title: FYPod
• Host/Author: The Bulwark
• Description: Gen Z swung hard for Trump in 2024, and Tim Miller seeks to understand why. Teaming up with Cameron Kasky, they delve into the politics of the TikTok generation, exploring the factors driving their political shifts and strategies needed to reclaim their support. The podcast offers weekly insights into America’s youngest voters.
• Episode: 1: We Need Hot Woke Alpha Males (Featuring Dylan Geick)
• Release Date: February 18, 2025

---

1. Introduction and Podcast Vision [01:30 – 02:11]

Cameron Casky introduces the podcast with a provocative stance, labeling themselves as "woke liberal alphas" determined to dismantle what they perceive as Gen Z's flawed ideologies. However, Tim Miller expresses a more earnest goal of understanding and learning from the youth, hinting at a potential misalignment in their initial approach.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Casky [00:15]: "We are the woke liberal alphas you've been waiting for... It's you rotten kids who are the problem."

2. Gen Z's Attitude Towards Trump [02:11 – 04:20]

The hosts discuss the surprising support Gen Z has shown towards Donald Trump in the 2024 elections. Tim Miller references a poll indicating a decline in Trump's approval among Gen Z, describing it as "buyer’s remorse." Cameron Casky counters by highlighting young people's frustration with the portrayal of Trump as "Hitler," suggesting that Gen Z sees Trump as a charismatic leader fighting for their interests.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Casky [04:20]: "Anti Semitism comes from people on the left and the right... Nazi stuff isn't Nazi stuff if it's a Republican."

3. Anti-Semitism Among Gen Z [06:05 – 10:34]

The conversation shifts to alarming statistics showing explicit anti-Semitic sentiments among Gen Z. Tim Miller brings up a poll from Channel 4 indicating that 52% of Gen Z in the UK favor strong, non-parliamentary leadership, with 33% supporting military dictatorship. Cameron Casky elaborates on how both far-left and far-right factions exploit anti-Semitic narratives, leading to a significant rise in such sentiments among younger populations.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Miller [07:21]: "Why is that that the 20 year olds are so like... Jews unfavorable. Thumbs down, bagels, not into it."
• Cameron Casky [10:34]: "Anti Semitism is so powerful and... it's very worse than it's been in a very long time."

4. Influencer Impact and Radicalization [11:09 – 20:23]

Cameron Casky discusses Trump’s propaganda strategies, using NASCAR as a medium to reach and influence audiences. The hosts critique the Democratic Party's inability to "be cool," contrasting it with Republican strategies that effectively engage and mobilize their base through relatable and entertaining means.

The conversation also delves into the influence of figures like Andrew Tate, exploring how such personalities resonate with disaffected young men by promoting aggressive masculinity and misogynistic values. Cameron shares personal experiences of anti-Semitic conspiracies targeting his family, amplifying the discussion on how extremist ideologies permeate Gen Z.

Notable Quotes:

• Cameron Casky [11:09]: "Trump is an authoritarian fascist... Republicans rely on uneducated people."
• Cameron Casky [20:23]: "These people who talk like that... because of the ad campaigns and everything."

5. Guest Introduction and Insights with Dylan Geike [29:29 – 34:34]

The podcast introduces Dylan Geike, a digital activist and veteran, who shares his journey from a moderate right background to embracing leftist, anarcho-communist ideologies. Dylan discusses his disillusionment with the military and the American empire, highlighting systemic issues that drive individuals toward radicalization.

Notable Quotes:

• Dylan Geike [33:25]: "I think the first time I met someone who told me they're an anarcho communist, I was like, what, what are we talking about here?"
• Dylan Geike [34:34]: "I will stand on that... I don't actually partake in like the US System at all."

6. Masculinity and Mental Health [43:21 – 55:49]

The hosts explore the crisis of masculinity among Gen Z, addressing how uncertainty about male identity leads young men to adopt aggressive and hyper-masculine behaviors. Cameron and Sebastian discuss the influence of roles models like Jordan Peterson versus toxic figures like Andrew Tate, emphasizing the destructive impact of these conflicting messages on young men's mental health and interpersonal relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Miller [54:16]: "It's like, what does that mean? Like, they don't show enough deference to their overlords."
• Sebastian [55:49]: "There are people who are radicalized by the radical people that they thought were hot at the time."

7. Gen Z in the Workforce [67:11 – 75:14]

The discussion turns to Gen Z's performance and attitudes in the workplace. Cameron and Sebastian critique Gen Z's perceived lack of professionalism, motivation, and communication skills, correlating these traits with broader systemic issues such as exploitative employment practices and inadequate support structures for young workers.

Notable Quotes:

• Cameron Casky [69:57]: "Gen Z employees are an absolute cancer in the workforce."
• Tim Miller [72:58]: "Young people are disaffected... they feel like they're being exploited."

8. Social Media and Information Overload [58:24 – 61:56]

The hosts examine the role of social media in perpetuating misinformation and fostering isolation among Gen Z. They critique platforms like TikTok and Facebook for their addictive designs and the detrimental effects of excessive screen time on young people's ability to engage critically with information.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Miller [60:04]: "You can have a lot of relationships that are toxic where both people are the toxic one."
• Sebastian [60:48]: "Gen Z didn't make Facebook... older people have been radicalized by Facebook."

9. Final Thoughts and Gen Z News Preview [75:14 – 77:43]

In the concluding segment, the hosts hint at future discussions, including a segment called "Gen Z News," where they will tackle current trends and issues affecting the younger generation. They emphasize the ongoing challenges in understanding and addressing Gen Z's complex socio-political landscape.

Notable Quotes:

• Cameron Casky [75:24]: "We are gonna break every barrier, we're going to push the envelope."
• Tim Miller [76:12]: "People are scared. There's a huge right shift on the whole planet right now."

---

Conclusion: In this inaugural episode of FYPod, hosts Tim Miller and Cameron Casky engage in a candid and critical exploration of Gen Z's political landscape, focusing on their surprising support for Donald Trump, rising anti-Semitic sentiments, and the influence of charismatic yet toxic figures like Andrew Tate. Through their conversation with guest Dylan Geike, they uncover the deep-seated disillusionment and systemic issues plaguing young Americans. The episode also highlights the destructive role of social media in shaping Gen Z's worldview and their struggles in the workplace. Setting the tone for future episodes, FYPod positions itself as a platform aiming to dissect and understand the intricate dynamics of America's youngest voters.

Listeners who are new to FYPod will gain a comprehensive understanding of the complex factors influencing Gen Z’s political and social behaviors, as well as the challenges faced by both the younger generation and those attempting to engage with them.

Transcript

[Tim Miller]

Get the Angel REEF Special at McDonald's. Now let's break it down.

[Cameron Caskey]

My favorite barbecue sauce, American cheese, crispy bacon, pickles, onions and a sesame seed bun, of course. And don't forget the fries and a drink.

[Tim Miller]

Sound good?

[Sebastian]

I participate in restaurants for a limited time.

[Cameron Caskey]

What's up, gang? I'm Cameron Caskey. I'm Tim Miller and this is FY Pod. We are the woke liberal alphas you've been waiting for. Here to deliver cutting edge, piping hot takes on the news and Gen Z and other. Every week we're going to top it off with in depth conversations with some of today's top renegade thinkers and contemporary intellectuals. Now, many people are asking what the hell is going on with Jed Z? And we're here to give you the simple answer. Don't worry folks, me and Tim are taking care of it. We're clean in house and we are the rogue dark horses who are going to take out the intellectual trash. And we're going to fix Gen Z like a busted engine on a tractor through the power of fearless conversation. And who knows, maybe we'll make a friend or two along the way. We, Tim Miller and Cameron Caskey are the real liberals. It's you rotten kids who are the problem. That's my intro, Cameron.

[Tim Miller]

That seems like a bigger goal than I had for this pod. We might be a little misaligned here on episode one. I'm here to do earnest things, learn from the youth and understand their ways.

[Cameron Caskey]

What about that wasn't earnest?

[Tim Miller]

Well, I mean, I just don't think that I wasn't planning on ramming a truck through Gen Z to shake them up and tell them a thing or two that wasn't real. This was more of kind of an anthropological podcast for me. But we could also have a mission statement too. It's just maybe we might have to develop it along the way. I don't know.

[Cameron Caskey]

Dream big. So what are we talking about this week?

[Tim Miller]

Well, we've got your pal Dylan Geith coming on in segment two. We'll talk about that always. In segment three, we'll get into Gen Z news. But first, I kind of wanted to pick your brain on like what, what your pals, you know, what the people in your feeds are thinking about the first month of Trump. It's hard for me as somebody riddled with TDS who has to do a daily podcast and watch the news every day to kind of get a good sense for what's, you know, trickling down to the masses. And I'm curious what you think has, you know, has landed, has either offended or beguiled or inspired the young people who are paying or not paying attention to the first month of this aspiring autocracy.

[Cameron Caskey]

There was this poll recently, I don't remember which reputable news organization it was, but it was one of them that said that Trump's approval rating with Gen Z has actually plummeted recently. Almost a sort of buyer's remorse. And it brings to mind how I've had conversations with a lot of young people who have said, listen, a lot of the tds, you know, Trump derangement syndrome, older libs are talking about, ooh, Trump's. Trump's Hitler. He's going to be Hitler. And a lot of young people said, okay, that's dramatic. You're all isolating us by saying this. And you're freaking out about this funny guy who's totally like a con man, but he's a con man who knows how to win. And if he's fighting for us, that means we're going to win. And. And you got to cut it out with this Trump is Hitler stuff. And then Trump comes out to us and he says, listen, I'm actually going to do everything I possibly can to be Hitler. Not just not within, maybe Napoleon, not. Yeah, yeah, he's too tall for that. Not at first. I was going to say Trump is going to do everything he can within the law to be Hitler. And then, and then he said, no, we're not going to do the law. Were going to do Hitler. So much so that he had this foreign billionaire go up and do not one, but two Sig Heils right off the bat. That was how we introduced the Sig Heil broke through.

[Tim Miller]

You think the Sig. You think people. Because I don't know, man. I think that, you know, there I could see a world where your jaded peers, like, might have thought that was based or like. Or thought that the earnest West Wing liberals were getting to excitable about.

[Cameron Caskey]

This isn't just a Gen Z thing. I think across the board, a lot of people really only get upset about antisemitism when it's coming from the left. So, for example, if somebody like AOC did two Sig Heils in a row, I think the ADL would have said, this is a blitzkrieg. They wouldn't have said, hey, everybody, it was an awkward gesture. And then after the ADL defended Elon, Elon went on and made a bunch of Nazi jokes, as if Nazism is a fucking joke. And the ADL had to Be like, wait, no, no, no, actually this was bad. And I'm like, oh my God, guys. Anti Semitism comes from people on the left and the right. Anti Semitism is one of the most popular things in the entire world. And yet I feel like when you are on the right, you almost get a free pass. Like the amount of money that was spent to fight anti Semitism on the left this year. Meanwhile, it is doing just as well on the right people on the anti Semitism. But no, we're not going to sound the alarms about that. And that just goes to show that there's this different standard to which conservatives are held across the board right now, where a lot of the things that if a liberal would do them, a lot of the rhetoric, messaging, they would rightfully get eaten alive. Conservatives do it. And because the bar is so low now, it's like, yep, that's what they do. That's conservatism. It's just foreign billionaires doing Sig Heils. Don't worry about it. Don't be dramatic. Nazi stuff isn't Nazi stuff if it's a Republican.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, this isn't really. This wasn't really on the show map when I asked you what you wanted to talk about since you know, this is the Gen Z show and you're in charge. But I'm just going to lean into the chaotic energy and we're just going to talk about anti Semitism because I saw something else I wanted your take on recently. This is my man, David Shore, who's kind of like a Democratic pollster type guru. And, and he posted this chart and it was explicit antisemitism by age. This is not like we're trying to guess whether somebody is anti Semitic based on whether they said for the river to the sea or whether they did two Sikh heels at the inauguration. This is like asking people, do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the Jewish people? Like pretty straightforward fave unfave on Jews. And the chart for the YouTube people put on screen here is like the Trump people had the highest number more than the left. So that says to your point. But the more alarming thing was like among 20 year olds, it was like above 25% overall. And then the chart kind of goes and like among like 70 year olds, like there are no 70 year olds who are like, I hate Jews. Or like there's like 1, you know, 5%. Like just of like explicit.

[Cameron Caskey]

Not truly one of those situations where you can say, okay, Boomer, and you really mean it. Boomers. That's a. Okay, thank you gang. I appreciate you.

[Tim Miller]

Thumbs up, boomers. So what do you think? What do you think about that? What's happening? Why, why is, why is that that the 20 year olds are so like fucking cool? It's just being like Jews unfavorable. Thumbs down, bagels, not into it.

[Cameron Caskey]

I think, yeah, I think that there's a couple things going on. I think that anti Semites and right wing pro Israel people have kind of teamed up with this messaging that every single thing that Benjamin Netanyahu does is the actions of the Jewish people as a whole. Right. You know, there's one thing anti Semites and right wing pro Israel people agree on and that's this foreign country and their army and this entire ethno religion are intrinsically tied together. They're the same exact thing. So I think a lot of young people see that messaging that white supremacists and right wing pro Israel people agree on and both push and they say, oh, so this, this foreign government's army and this religion are the same thing. And the other thing is fascism and alt right ideology as we've discussed, is, is really blooming with Gen Z. And a lot of young people are seeing this whole fascism thing and saying, wait a second, let's, I'm intrigued, let's dip our toes in this pool and then let's dive in fucking head first. So it's one of those situations where you're like, yeah, this is one of those things the far left and the far right can agree on is the Jews. And as a Jewish person, I'm sitting here like, okay, can we not, can we take a look at this ethno religion and say, hmm, historically people seem to be trying to kill us in pretty much every chapter of history. All the way back, everybody just wants to fucking kill us. Meanwhile, we gave you motherfucker Seinfeld, we gave you curb. A Jewish man scored the first two points in the NBA. We're contributing all of these positive things. I don't, I'm not, it's not my truth. But you don't like locks. I don't like locks, but. And I'm sorry to my community from the Boca Raton, Florida upbringing of mine and my former temple B'nai Israel on Glades Road, but I'm not a locks guy. But all this is to say, I think that you've got right wing ideology really slaying with Gen Z and you've got people on the far left falling for this white supremacist narrative that this country and this country's military's actions and this entire small group of people are the same thing. And therefore to hate one is to hate the other. And, and here we are. Anti Semitism is so powerful and, and it's really, it's really worse than it's been in a very long time. And it's very upsetting to me.

[Tim Miller]

We might need to find, I don't know, we might need to find somebody who's a little bit more anti. Semi curious in Gen Z to bring them on for one of our future guests to try to get, try to get, to get a little bit better understanding. I think that's as good a theory that you're offering as any. But it's still a pretty dramatic jump there from zero for 5% to one in four. One in four Gen Z's being like, yeah, I don't know, the Juice. That's a thumbs down. We have a couple other news items I wanted to take on. Do you want to do Andrew Tate or Trump's propaganda victory at nascar? Which one of those you think is more ripe for discussion?

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean, they're so similar, right? Let's talk about Trump's propaganda victory at nascar. Because the best way to reach the Trump audience is to go vroom, vroom. Cars go fast. Hell yeah. That's America, baby. Tara Settmayer, if that's how you pronounce it. A former Republican communications director on Capitol Hill said, propaganda is why Donald Trump is president again. And they know this, which is why they undermined the press expertise and science. We're going to get rid of expertise. We're going to get rid of intelligent people and we're going to make cars go fast and we're going to distract everybody by doing shit like calling the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America and boldly, flagrantly throwing that around while also making the cars go vroom.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so maybe this is why I'm a moderate squish, you know, establishment shill that everybody hates these days. But like, I don't know, couldn't we find a middle ground there? Couldn't we have science and cars go vroom? I feel like that might be a winner for Dems to do to, rather than making fun of Trump, go driving on the nascar. Whatever. I'm not a fucking NASCAR person. I fucking hate nascar. Actually, I went to one NASCAR event. It was like the worst day of my life. It's like very loud.

[Cameron Caskey]

You want to find a bunch of.

[Tim Miller]

People, see what's happening.

[Cameron Caskey]

You want to Find a bunch of people who hate Jews go to a NASCAR event.

[Tim Miller]

So it's like, I went to one in Martinsville. It was not great. It was not a fun day. It's not for me, culturally. That said, even me, a NASCAR hater, I looked at the video of the Beast driving around with the flags on the track, and I was like, that's pretty fucking cool. That's cool. So why can't Dems do cool things? And vaccines? Can't we vaccinate people and do cool shit?

[Cameron Caskey]

Listen, Trump is an authoritarian fascist. He signed 64 executive orders and 27 memos and proclamations in less than one month doing everything that far right authoritarian monsters did. And I saw that car on that racetrack, and I said, hell, yeah, that's my fucking country right there. But the thing is, it's like, it's part of the larger propaganda war that Republicans win in general. Because if. If you remember, Biden did the cool cars thing too. Like, there was a period of time.

[Tim Miller]

When he was back when he was, like, awake. Like in the early Biden. Yeah, during the BP time.

[Cameron Caskey]

Pre Sleepy Joe. More like, you know, more like one yawn a day Joe.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, Trans Am Biden was cool.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's like there's. There's no. There's. There's nothing badass when Democrats try to be badass, because Democrats are so. Are so Ivy League fancy Nancy with their communication that when they're trying to be cool, it's like when the teacher tries to be cool and the whole class is like, okay, relax. And, you know, that's partially because Republicans rely on uneducated people. Uneducated people keep their machine going, whereas Democrats are trying to market to, you know, Ivy League types, even though they're also simultaneously trying to deport Columbia students. So they better figure out that relationship. But I think Democrats do need to figure out how to get some swagger back. And I think, you know, you and I Both like Betcho O'Rourke. I think he even needs to lean into the swagger, I think, because he has the opportunity to look cool. Like, he. His hair looks like shit. He's normally. His shirt normally has one more button down than your average. And he can get down and dirty and be legit, but the Democratic Party forces you to be a certain type of fancy Nancy that takes away from that. And. And the Democratic Party rewards not being cool. So, I mean, if Biden did that type of thing at the NASCAR race, every one of the wokesters that I hang out with would have been like, this is so bad for climate change. Why are you supporting cars? And it's like, so it's the establishment on the one hand, telling everybody that they have to be this hoity toity prick. And then you've got the wokesters who I, I identify as one of them, by the way, say that are that would see that and go, oh my God, Biden is a climate criminal. We need to, we need to throw blood at him at some sort of PETA style protest. And it's like, here's your party eating each other alive. And both of you are acting like it's the other side that's doing it. The people farther to the left are saying the moderates are tripping us in every direction and stopping everything we can do to move forward. And then you've got the moderates being like, oh, these woke progressives are ruin every, ruining everything. Meanwhile on the right, the maga freaks and the quote unquote principled conservatives are holding hands and teaming up and that's why they're winning. So here we are in a Democratic Party where everybody's trying to trip each other up and that robs us of things like Biden going on NASCAR and making a car go vroom.

[Tim Miller]

Just make cars go vroom. It seems like a winner. What? What? So the Andrew Tate news, if you want to call it that, is the Trump administration is. It's called their Romanian counterparts and pressured them. I don't know what kind of leverage we have over the Romanians these days, but apparently we think we have some pressured them to lift the travel restrictions over Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate was charged with human trafficking, sexual misconduct, money laundering.

[Cameron Caskey]

All the stuff that his fans are accusing the Jews of doing. By the way, all the alt right anti Semite freaks who love Andrew Tate, he's literally doing the stuff that they say that we do. Do you know about the anti Semitic conspiracies about my family?

[Tim Miller]

I don't appreciate it.

[Cameron Caskey]

When I was doing my Parkland school shooting activism. You're all welcome, by the way. When I was being so brave and inspiring, as one of those brave and inspiring Parkland teams, you were so brave.

[Tim Miller]

Can we just take thought for a second just to talk about how brave you are and inspiring.

[Cameron Caskey]

I think everybody ought to just pause to take a moment of silence for me specifically. But when I was doing that, a bunch of the alt right people on 4chan found out that my father and my grandfather were adoption lawyers. And them being Jews and doing something where a baby is moving from one place to another, they were like Human trafficking. And it didn't help that my grandfather did an adoption for Chief Justice John Roberts. That which RIP Robert Caskey, he slayed with that. That made them even more upset. But in terms of the Andrew Tate thing, you know, I didn't know John.

[Tim Miller]

Roberts had an adopted child. That's cool. You know, you know, we, you know, we do rep. Adoption here at the. At the Bulwark.

[Cameron Caskey]

Hell yeah. I come from an adoption family. I love adoption. So I. Yeah. With the Romanian thing, first of all, I don't know about Romania other than vampires. And Andrew Tate, I would not be surprised if I found out that he was preying on lustful, innocent young women and sucking their blood. Which brings to mind the new Nosferatu film, which you all ought to catch, because it was terrific. But with Andrew Tate, you know, he is so attractive to men my age, because men my age, by social media, by Covid, by the culture wars that are being so terribly lost by folks who share my values. They've been so attracted to Andrew Tate because none of us, except for me, are getting laid. And it's. And people like Andrew Tate come up to us.

[Tim Miller]

Andrew Tate's getting late, I guess, is sleeping with a lot of women, sometimes allegedly against their will, I guess.

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

I was gonna say. I don't, I don't. I don't know if I want to call that getting laid. I think that's just literally sex trafficking. But, you know, Andrew Tate tells us what we want to hear, which is, it's not your fault, it's society's fault, it's women's fault. And women need to be put in their place. Women need you to boss them around. And unfortunately, men are very receptive to this. It's what we want to hear. And a lot of women uphold misogyny, too, because, I mean, misogyny wouldn't be killing it the way it is without the help of many women who support it, including the women who voted for Donald Trump, who flagrantly bragged about making non consensual advances on women and exploiting them and using his celebrity to get it. So Tate and Trump are really birds of a feather, and that's why Trump is looking out for him and trying to. There's this thing that's widely known. It's like when you see frat bros covering up other frat bros who are drugging people. Sexual predators tend to look out for other sexual predators. You know, it's kind of like a.

[Tim Miller]

Rohypnol caucus type thing.

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

And it's this thing in Trump world in general where, like, if you're one type of crook, you're gonna look out for another type of crook. So, like, Eric Adams. Eric Adams has become Mr. Trump V2, because he knows that Trump's gonna look out for him if he panders to Trump. And then, you know, that brings to mind, why isn't Kathy Hochul removing Eric Adams? And, you know, my best guess is Trump's strongman politics are sort of telling Hochul, if you fuck with Adams, I will go in and fuck with the state of New York as hard as I possibly can. And that includes breaking the law. So crooks are looking out for crooks. Trump is looking out for Netanyahu. Like, all of these guys, they're from the same ilk, which is the individuals who have power over other individuals and use it to harm and exploit others. And that is why extremely woke Alpha chads like you and me need to be podcasting.

[Tim Miller]

That's true. It's an important part of the resistance. What I do wonder, like, you actually have female friends, which is, which is important. It's something that we're. We're going to be discussing further in our next segment with. And we're going to have guys, Gen Z guys who, like, you know, discussing how they don't necessarily, like, befriend women anymore. But so since you do, like, the Tate thing has to, like, have some backfire effect as well, right? Like, I mean, the gender gap is already so wide, but they've got to be like, I mean, are the people that like Andrew Tate really, like, cool?

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, here's the engine, here's the problem. I see a lot of young men send Andrew Tate videos around, including to me. But with this, this idea that. No, no, no, no, no. It's just because it's funny how crazy it is. And that's kind of, you know, that it. It's not the same as Trump Trump on SNL in 2015. But it's the same idea of Trojan horsing something in by it being the meme so quickly, it being funny to laugh at. Oh, of course. You saying that women are asking to be sexually assaulted. That's crazy. But it's kind of funny, right? That type of thing is how these dangerous, evil, fascist ideologies go through. Because as soon as you're making light of it, you're normalizing it. And I'm part of this problem, too, because I'll text certain friends of mine a video of Trump and be like, gee, isn't this Funny. And I personally believe there's a balance that can be struck between recognizing and calling out fascist authoritarian behavior and also being like, Trump taking over the Kennedy center, as terrible as it is. Especially since one of the first things fascists do is go in and attack the arts and restrict people's right to express themselves. But the wording of the announcement I kind of thought was funny. So I need to hold myself accountable for that, because, again, indulging in those types of things and being like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just looking at this as a joke is all. Well. And young men who are sending around the Andrew Tate videos as a meme are normalizing it, and then suddenly, wait a second. Maybe this guy might have a point. And Joe Rogan sold a show for like, $100 million to Spotify because of that.

[Tim Miller]

The Trojan Horsepoint is so good. I want to do more on that. But we should get to our other guest. It's a guy named Dylan Gike. He's a digital activist, served in the Army. He was a college wrestler who made some news for coming out as gay then. Now he's kind of bi. Everybody's bi. I think pretty much all of our guests are going to be bi. We're going to have to figure that out. He's got a book of poetry, early works, a collection of poetry. Tell us about Dylan and who else? The other kind of vaping bisexuals you have planned for the show going forward.

[Cameron Caskey]

Don't know if I've ever seen Dylan vape, but he probably has. He gives vape. Yeah. I met Dylan at a rooftop party in Brooklyn when we were both Columbia students. I brought my cousin, who is, who was pretty perplexed by Dylan's scene because Dylan's a really cool guy and he hangs out with really cool people. Dylan is, as you described him, once a warrior monk.

[Tim Miller]

Right.

[Cameron Caskey]

He's fought for this country. He's put his fucking boots on the ground. And he has some very, very complex, controversial and radical political takes. But it's interesting because this is someone who grew up in a sort of moderate right community and area and held those types of views. And their views changed in college. And now he is radicalized in a very interesting direction. And his is an interesting perspective to hear. He's a hot Instagram guy. I met him through my circles of influencers, many of whom are twinks. Dylan's a twunk. Twink, twunk. For those of you who are not preview to this is a twink, which is like a skinny cute gay boy mixed with honk. So it's like a. It's like a ripped, cute gay guy. And I also.

[Tim Miller]

Are all of the guests that you're going to bring going to be twunks or we're going to have more of a diverse range of body types?

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm not going to spoil our second guest, but our second guest is about as big of a twink as you'll ever find.

[Tim Miller]

Okay.

[Cameron Caskey]

And then after that we have this great activist who is a reproductive rights organizer. She has done some great work on the ground. And then we're having former barstool journalist who is also my ex girlfriend. So we'll do well. That'll be it. That'll be a hoot.

[Tim Miller]

I'm so excited to meet all of these 24 year old celeb micro celebrities. It's going to be great. They're going to have wonderful. Hopefully they're going to enlighten me. I guess maybe we can achieve both of our goals. If I get enlightened first and I do some learning over the first few months, then after that we can then influence. Right? It's education followed by influence. Maybe that's a good goal for the pod.

[Cameron Caskey]

Listen, there are many very smart people. I'm not saying I'm one of them, but there are many highly intelligent people who will argue, possibly in court, that I am the wokest white man in Gen Z maybe ever. Okay. And my goal for this podcast is for every white man who listens to it, if possible. I don't know if it's possible to be even woker than I. So we'll see how it goes.

[Tim Miller]

We'll see how it goes. Up next, Dylan Gag. Stick around.

[Ameca Insurance]

Rakuten is the smartest way to save money when you shop, because members get cash back at over 3500 stores across every category, including fashion, beauty, electronics, home essentials, travel, dining and more. Your favorite stores like Walmart, Lenovo and wine.com pay Rakuten a commission for sending them shoppers. And Rakuten shares the commission with its members. And that could be you. Cash back is deposited directly into your PayPal account. Or if you prefer, Rakuten can send you a check. The choice is yours. You can even maximize your savings by stacking cash back on top of other deals like store sales and coupons you're already shopping at your favorite stores. Why not save while you're doing it? Membership is free and it's easy to sign up. Get the Rakuten app now and join the 17 million members who are already saving cashback rates change daily. See rakuten.com for details. That's R A K U T E N Your cash back really adds up.

[Chumba Casino]

At Ameca Insurance, we know it's more than just a car. It's the two door coupe that was there for your first drive, the hatchback that took you cross country and back, and the minivan that tackles the weekly carpool for the cars you couldn't live without. Trust Ameca Auto Insurance. Ameca Empathy is our best policy. At Ameca Insurance, we know it's more than just a car. It's the two door coupe that was there for your first drive, the hatchback that took you cross country and back, and the minivan that tackles the weekly carpool for the cars you couldn't live without. Trust Ameca Auto Insurance. Ameca Empathy is our best policy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It is Ryan here and I have a question for you. What do you do when you win? Like, are you a fist pumper?

[Tim Miller]

A woohoo?

[Ryan Seacrest]

A hand clapper? A high fiver? If you want to hone in on those winning moves, check out Chumba Casino. Choose from hundreds of social casino style games for your chance to redeem serious cash prizes. There are new game releases weekly, plus free daily bonuses. So don't wait. Start having the most Fun [e-mail] no purchase necessary.

[Sebastian]

VGW Group void.

[Tim Miller]

We're prohibited by law 21/ terms and conditions apply.

All right, we're back. I got Cam and we've got Dylan Geik. Dylan, I learned two seconds ago, has 546,000 Instagram followers. Unclear to me why. So I was hoping you'd give us a little background on you and like, you know, why you got so many fans and what you've been up to.

Yeah, I mean, so I kind of grew up. I'm like a 98 baby, right? So I'm kind of in the middle of the two generations actually, and getting ready for this. I talk to a lot of my older friends and it's weird, like I'm at a generational gap point where like my older friends are giving me different answers than my younger friends. But I think we all kind of grew up like with the wild, wild west Internet. And I definitely grew up at a time where like influencers were just becoming a thing. It was kind of MySpace and then vine era, and then I was like 16, 18 when vine died and it was all moving over to like vlogging on YouTube and my brother moved out to LA when I was 18. With a guy named David Dobrik who was like a big blogger. I sort of got into that scene and developed a bunch of fans online and I've just sort of. I've been kind of stepped back the last few years a little. Retired from the Internet scene. Yeah. But I still kind of keep an eye on it. Most of my friends work in the. In the industry. So.

What kind of content were you putting out?

Was this, like, I would livestream. I would, like. This is like early days of Fortnite had just come out, so I was like, streaming video games, just, like, just chatting. Streaming.

Chatting about what, though? Like, philosophy or like philosophy politics or like what?

Politics, drama, whatever. Like. Yeah.

[Sebastian]

Wait, I'm sorry. I feel like we're missing some very, very interesting lore on Dylan, including the things you have done outside the Internet. Because while having a. Having a bunch of followers online is a cool, fun thing, I feel like the deepest cuts and coolest lore from you happened off screen.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, it's probably fair. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not like a huge. I'm kind of like the anti influencer. Influencer, if you will. I kind of play like the big brother role to a lot of the, like, biggest influences you probably have heard of. But yeah, I kind of stepped away from that whole industry. Like I said. I went back to school at Columbia, but then kind of became disillusioned with Columbia as well. Joined the military, served for about 18 months in the infantry and special operations communities, then became very disillusioned with the American empire. Left that as well, and kind of just went on like a very spiritual, like, self find journey type beat. Last year I did a walk across the country for charity. Did like a thousand miles on foot by myself, which is pretty cool. So I do like, a lot of random stuff. I don't know if people.

So you're a veteran shaman influencer. How do you. How do you get.

I think of myself as an artist. I make money in lots of different ways, but, like, all online platforms. Although over the summer, like, I did a TV show, so like, kind of traditional entertainment.

[Sebastian]

Are you allowed to tell us what show?

[Tim Miller]

I probably can't.

[Cameron Caskey]

Was it.

[Sebastian]

Was it like. Was it scripted?

[Tim Miller]

It's a big network show. Partially. I mean, no, it's unscripted, but it's not.

[Sebastian]

Was it. Was it one of those.

[Tim Miller]

It's like the show where, like, you're like a prince and you go to a castle and like, the girl, like, tries to pick from, like 20 different princes.

I don't know. I've, I've turned down most of those types of shows. This is a new show. It's not out yet, so there's not even a name I could give you technically. But point being, yeah, I do kind of traditional media stuff as well and then I kind of like bounce around.

All right, yeah, I'm gonna let Cameron take over for in a second though, but just like to kind of level set for people. So you said you went to the military. You've become disillusioned with the empire. Could you just like give us like your politics? Like what are your politics?

So they've changed a lot. Like give us your last few years. But I mean, yeah, I think I grew up like your basic Midwest kind of right leaning, white privileged, you know, north Chicago suburbs, kid. And then got more involved with politics. Just got to meet like a wider, more diverse array of like political opinions in Colombia as well, which. But then I didn't really have my own form solid enough at that time to even interact with a lot of those people. I think the first time I met someone who told me they're an anarcho communist, I was like, what, what are we talking about here? But now I'm probably like closer to that position. I'm very leftist.

You're closer to anarcho communism now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly than when I was in high school.

Were you in high school during. Were you old enough to vote for Trump? 1. Did you vote? You said you were kind of.

No, no, no, actually I don't. I'm a radical. So let's just be clear on that. And I, I will stand on that. So I know a lot of my positions here are going to be radical, but I don't actually partake in like the US System at all, or at least as little as I can. I don't want to vote. I don't want. Because that's like legitimizing the system that I don't think has any real authority over me.

Okay, so no vote. So you went from Midwestern white bread, kind of whatever, Mitt Romney, and to an art near an architect capitalism in like 11 years.

Yeah, I would say I still like lean left, but I think there's a huge. Right.

Pete Buttigieg. You went from like west white Pete Buttigieg to anarcho capitalist over the course of the. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Anarcho capitalist is the opposite. Right? Yeah. Anarcho capitalist is what we're fighting against.

[Sebastian]

That's what like moderate Democrat and then otherwise Republican parents think is going to happen to their kid when they send them to an Ivy League school. It's like, oh, I'm going to ship.

[Cameron Caskey]

My kid off, I'm going to ship.

[Sebastian]

My Pete Buttigieg kid off to Columbia and they're going to come back an anarcho capitalist. And you said, hell, yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Well, no, no. I think what's actually really important about that is that the distinction though is I was still much more right leaning and especially probably as a reaction to things and words I didn't understand. When I first got to Columbia, my political ideology never shifted or changed or even became serious until I left the military. Until I really had a very serious, like hands on experience with, like I said, the American empire.

Talk about that. Why?

Okay, so I served. I got out six months before we left Afghanistan. If I could tell you, like what the feeling in the military, the little milieu in the military at the time, it's like the end of Vietnam. We knew that we hadn't done anything. We knew that we had wasted a bunch of money or at least that that was how soldiers felt. And including the drill sergeants who trained us, like there was just this sense of defeat, this sense of like everyone was demoralized. They were all carrying all this like PTSD and trauma. My own father, stepfather who raised me, you know, died basically a death of despair from lots of service related trauma as well. There's not the resources to help a lot of these vets when they're coming home. So I just, as someone who really did love their country, wanted to serve and that's why I was there and then realized, oh, wow, a lot of these people are here because otherwise they would be medically bankrupt and they're trying to keep their child alive or, you know, they're just so poverty stricken that the biggest building they were ever in in their life is the one where they signed up for the military. And so I felt like suddenly, wow, I'm. Maybe I'm just a tourist in this operation that really is taking advantage of people who are vulnerable or who don't have any other way to, to move forward, you know, and make social progress or economic progress. So, yeah, it just opened my eyes to, I think, the reality of service. I think a lot of Americans fetishize service, as has been said, without really understanding what it is, what it feels like.

[Sebastian]

Can I just say, there's people I know who have become, sorry, I'm taking one of my anxiety pills. There are people who have become, you know, like full leftist, fuck the system. People I know Literally, like because there was someone they wanted to hook up with. I actually know a good handful of fairly radical people who are radicalized by the radical people that they thought were hot at the time. Like actually a kind of freaky amount. And I think that that happened, I think that that's been happening increasingly is, you know, and also just how much they want to fuck Hasan Piker. So it's very, it's very interesting to hear about someone who goes to this liberal left leaning university that is this boogeyman so many adults think is turning kids into communists. And then now you're saying, well, no, no, no, no, not to assign some sort of political party to you, but no, no, no, no. It wasn't this university that made me feel these things. It was actually military service. I think that's a very interesting and fresh perspective that is very different than my friends who got radicalized because somebody.

[Tim Miller]

Was sexy for one thing. I think that our voting bloc of young men isn't very politically informed. Right. Like, and to what degree they've ever heard these words, Marxism, communism, these like boogeyman words that we're all that the parents are so afraid that they're gonna. The thing is that, well, most of them have never actually interacted with any of those concepts in a serious way. Like we don't get that in a high school education at all. Maybe you get a little bit of like the Soviets killed lots of people or something like scare, scare, blah, blah, blah. Well, okay, yeah, I mean they did through mismanagement, but the American empire, as the American empire killed it.

[Cameron Caskey]

They also killed a lot of Nazis.

[Sebastian]

Which I wasn't taught in school.

[Cameron Caskey]

I had no idea.

[Tim Miller]

I'm just picking. I just, I just have to pop in with a few anti communist communists.

Absolutely. And you're right, and you're right and like obviously we should be learning from history, but I think that's the point is we should be learning from history. We shouldn't be saying like, oh, you know, communism just doesn't work because it always amounts in the deaths of people. When you're like, well, what empire is communist that has ever. Is Stalinism an example of communism? You know, I mean like these are, these are important distinctions that I think, like just basic distinctions that I don't think most young people have the language for. So of course they're going to go to college, they're going to hear about these things the first time really in a serious way. And a certain number of them are going to feel, you know, more sympathetic to those positions than they did before they ever had any real interaction with them. But, but, but to say, but to just close the point up. Sorry, Cam, I don't know about you, but like, it did not feel like, at least from the professors, we were being fed some like, Marxist propaganda that was like trying to put us down this pipeline. I think most people in elite institutions at that level, they're still right leaning and they're still totally on board with most American projects.

[Sebastian]

Yeah, I think there's a degree to which this stuff sort of gets lost in translation because so many people, their idea of what communism and Marxism is, if you boil it down to it, they'll call any instance of the government trying to improve people's lives communism. And that comes from the right.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, you know, the post office might as well be communist. Trump, just to a lot of people.

[Sebastian]

You know, yeah, Trump stands. We'll see a black person get cast as a Disney princess and that becomes communism. And a little bit more seriously than that type of crazy stuff, whenever government programs are, Whenever people advocate for government programs to expand in the direction of improving citizens lives by of course, being this big government and by expanding these services, the word communism immediately comes out. And then suddenly certain people think of communism as the Marxist pamphlet that they got from some barista in Bushwick. And some people think of communism as a health care system that is not bankrupting people and making them go to the armed forces to lose pointless wars and put their lives on the line. And I think that thinking about the fact that we're talking to an audience here, I'm not nearly educated enough on really any political system other than, you know, blue, no matter who, which I'm rocking to this day, baby. So, so I can't, I can't dive into the real weeds here.

[Tim Miller]

I have a follow up though, for Dylan. As much as I love hearing Cam's like, you know, sort of pop history analysis of the difference between Maoism and Marxism and communism, I. The thing that really piqued my interest from you was like your experience with the other guys and like how, how their circumstance, how rough their circumstances were. And I'm curious, like as you as, as conversations emerged with them like that hit politics either like tangentially or right on. Like how, like what, you know, other, other folks that were serving with you, like how they were processing stuff because. Because it definitely seems like there's kind of radicalization going both directions.

It's so complicated. So like, for one thing, I think you should know the majority of the military is like, apolitical. They genuinely don't give a rat's ass, like, who is sending them where to die.

Like, you're the other guys. You're, you're serving.

Sure, okay. Yeah. I was a boot. So like, and on purpose, like, I wanted to serve with boots and infantry. So like, yeah, these, these were like the, you know, just the grunts that get thrown into the meat grinder and like, on some level they don't care. They, they think all these politicians are snakes. They, they kind of like are over that. They're like, we're the, you know, we're supposed to be the apolitical military, right? So like, we're supposed to like, embody that role. I think a lot of them are right leaning, but I think that's just because that's the American, like, standard. That's how we grow up. We grow up on like guns and nationalism and everything else. So why is that surprising? I think most of them, though, aren't serving for any sort of like, what could even be considered tangentially a political reason. They're mostly serving for personal reasons that are kind of sad, to be honest.

Just like, you mean the economic circumstances?

Economic circumstances, confusion. They don't know where to go. Some of them, I mean, say things like, look, I just want to kill someone. And like, the military is going to let me do it. They're gonna let me kill bad guys because they've grown up on this diet of like, what, what it is to be a man. And this will get again, back to our point here, I think better, like, what is it to be a man in today's generation? And I don't, I think when you're raised on like a bunch of violent media and Call of Duty and everything else and nationalism, like, it's part of it is serving and specifically killing and, and yeah.

So, like, I do wonder, like, why don't you think there are more? And obviously we're like kind of painting with a broad rush. But, like, why don't you think, like, more reacted like you did, which is like, this is fucked. Like, we're putting people in this dangerous situation for pointless war because they're, they didn't have the finances or the opportunities. Like, I should turn to some kind of economic or political system that like offers those opportunities. It feels like more of them are turning to saying, no, I want, I like, want Daddy Trump so I can get mad at the people that created the fucked situation.

Yeah, I mean, people are angry. I would say this is where my privilege comes in. Like I was able to leave the army because I already had a platform. I already had made money outside the military. Like in the. In the case of my friend who's there for his daughter's, you know, surgeries and medical bills. At what point is he leaving? He's not. At what point is my friend who, you know, comes from Tennessee and doesn't have indoor plumbing leaving? He's not. Not unless he, you know, eight years in, he has a degree from the military or something like that. But, like, education in the military is not pushed to the degree it should is. You know, so there's just fundamental systemic issues throughout the whole thing. I think the question is, like, where else are they supposed to go, right? Like, who is even the Democratic Party offering such a different and better life? These are both corporatist factions. And I think, like, Americans are starting to wake up to some kind of class consciousness. Like, look at this Luigi fiasco, man. Like, how many. I'm. So let's get. I'm a radical, but I also, like, have love tatted on my hand. And I'm like, you know, struggling with passive. Struggling with pacifism all the time. So, like, my initial take is like, of course, murder's wrong. And he didn't even change the system in any meaningful way. Probably the most meaningful thing he did was, like, draw attention to this up mafia, like, system. But bro should be in jail, bro. I mean, look, he was angry. I feel bad for the kid. He's angry. I guess he probably lost his sexual opportunities through something.

[Sebastian]

Have you seen him on.

[Tim Miller]

Are you a Louis? He's a big Louise.

[Sebastian]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Cameron Caskey]

Let's.

Let me.

[Tim Miller]

Is that okay? Maybe that's pop buzz news that I got. I don't know. I heard he had a back.

His back was hurt. His back was hurt. He couldn't. Fuck.

Listen, you know what, Cam? Look, people messaged me all day when this was going on. Original. They're like, this is you, dude. It's your. It's your doppelganger. They're like, he's a wrestler from the Ivy League bisexual king, like, blah, blah. And I'm like, guys, what. I don't know what you think my politics are, but they're. They're of liberation, not assassination. And I guess what I would say is, like, I think he was an angry young man who was rightfully angry about something he had every right to be angry about. But instead of jumping through all the fucking hoops that the system puts in front of him to try and change something from the inside. He was like, dude, I'm not doing that. I'm. I'm not doing that. He didn't see a path forward, you know, like, why should this guy have to go to law school for, you know, eight years or whatever? And I guess he already had a degree, whatever, so another four years of law school so that he can change the system incrementally from the inside, like nothing was going to get done. And he knew that he was in a state of despair. And I think a lot of Americans are in a state of despair. So that's why so many Americans are pro Luigi. They're like, I feel this guy, like, I know exactly what you don't do.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Sebastian]

I can't say I'm pro Luigi for a variety of reasons, but I will say a lot of people are always quick to blame individuals without going on to say, okay, well, what's wrong with everything right now that is enabling these individuals? Why are these, why do these individuals exist? It was the same thing that happened after the mass shooting at my high school. Everybody was talking about the evil of the mass shooter, and it was terrible. This was, I mean, not my kind of guy, but like, not even a little bit. Villain, evil, everything wrong with the world and society. But so few people went on to say, okay, well, what is wrong with the school system? What is wrong with the systems by which we help young foster children? What were the things that caused this? Everybody wants to talk about the individual that committed the heinous act, and nobody wants to say, okay, well, why does this happen? Because those are complicated questions. And they're questions that challenge systems in place that not everybody really wants to interrogate.

[Tim Miller]

So let me just do the. Let me just give the other side of that, though. Luigi's a rich kid who's like, life was pretty good. Went to Hawaii, was surfing, and I guess he had some health problems, I guess he had some back problems. But like, I don't know, in the grand scope of history, like, he had like a pretty, pretty good life, you know, went to a private school, had family money. And so I don't know, I just. To me, it feels like there's something else happening, right? Like, like you telling me about the guys you served with, they're like, need food, need food for their kids or didn't have other opportunities. Like those guys getting radicalized or turning to Trump or whatever. I can, I can process. Like, the radical rich kid is a little tougher for me. So what am I missing?

Okay, look, I would Say, like, he was radicalized over specific issues. Right? And that was the issue that he went after. And, like, it's. It's kind of your response kind of is. Is giving. To a much lesser degree. But, you know, like, billionaire who sits there and is like, look, man, what's the difference between billionaire and poor person today? Like, you sit in the same room and you watch a tv. Like, come on now. Yes.

Let's put that voice. Do I have a 1920s. I sound like a 1920ss silent movie.

Exactly, because they're all Gilded age robber bearings. That's how they talk. They're like, all right, see, you don't deserve it, Luigi. If you. If you deserve money, you'd have it. But, yeah, no, like, these people who talk like that, I think that that's, like, kind of where it sounds like you're coming from. Like, oh, Luigi had this charmed life until the system failed him dramatically in a very specific way. And that's true. And he did. But once it failed and. And that radicalized him. I think that's the point is, like, people. People get radicalized by one really important thing, and then they start, like, questioning this entire system. They start looking at it and being really disillusioned and feeling like there's no quick, easy way to change it if you can change it at all. Does that make sense?

I'm skeptical, but it makes a little more sense. All right, Cam, what else you want to get into with your man?

[Sebastian]

Well, just to give my final thoughts on the Luigi situation, it behooves me to point out that I don't think there would have been the same cultural support and sympathy for him if he weren't hot. And I'm not joking. If he was some incel freak type shooter, I think people would have had very different opinions. And I don't think I'm qualified to make any deep cultural analyses of what exactly that means. But with Luigi, there's no memes about the Trump shooter. Yeah, exactly. And it's very. There's certain shooters where I'm like, you'd think we would know more about the shooter than we did. I'm not going deep into this because it's not something we should be talking about right now. But I'm always curious why we never heard anything about the Vegas shooter who was able to kill, like, dozens of people from an extremely high vantage point with a military grade weapon from an angle and place where it's not easy to kill a lot of people. Point is, he also wasn't Hot and to the hotness factor of it all. I want to talk about something that is very Gen Z, because while we have Dylan, I want to talk about the things that Dylan has more experience with than very many people. So I sent Tim sent Dylan and I an article about looks maxing, which is this new trend with Gen Z and Gen Alpha young people where they are going to extreme and occasionally dangerous lengths to create a physical image for themselves that's reflective of certain beauty standards. So there are young men chewing gum that is being sold to give them a better jawline, which is obviously insane snake oil. But it's getting marketed.

[Tim Miller]

It is. Are you sure?

[Sebastian]

I guess I haven't tried it, but I don't know. It's getting marketed to them. It's getting marketed to them by influencers across social media. Everybody likes to talk about how this only happens on TikTok. It happens on every platform. TikTok is one of the most rotten and terrible ones, but it happens cross platform. And young men are getting radicalized in ways that aren't what every person thinks. Young men are not always radicalized by seeing Trump talk about how they're eating the cats and they're eating the dogs and by wanting lower taxes. That can happen. That affects the way certain people vote. But a lot of young men get radicalized by Trojan Horse right wing values that are not blatantly saying, hey, we're, we are following Project 2025. Hey, we are part of the. What's that, what's that? Group of, of Republican judges, the Federalist Society. It's not exactly groups that are saying, hey, we're part of the Federalist Society, come be the next John McCain. It's people targeting young men who feel left out and unwelcome in a culture that is advocating for more diversity and equity. Young men right now, specifically young white men, but young men across the board feel as though there is no room for us in a culture that's making room for other people. And there are influencers online who are preying on this insecurity through many different means. One of them being the idea of looks maxing and really these same core values that are part of In Seldom. People have heard of In Seldom. They've heard about the incels, what's going on with these young men and how very often they're lost, dejected and preyed upon by manipulative voices and looks maxing. The idea that you need to look like a Sigma chad, which a lot of people use the word sigma. It's very Popular in right wing circles. They think there's this higher than alpha. Absolutely. They think there's this physical standard you need to reach in order to obtain.

[Tim Miller]

So you're saying this is like a respect thing? It's like a Rodney Danger show. Like, to get respect, I gotta like, look hot.

It, it all connects really to the, to like red pill theory. You're familiar with red pill, of course. Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's very much like that, right? Like they, they think that their looks are the most important thing that are gonna get them wherever they want to go in life, are gonna get them the girl they want, are gonna get them, you know, the job they want. And so they like, are grasping at straws. Any way to like, look again, I'm the anti influencer. Influencer. So like, I don't have as much direct contact with this stuff because I don't use TikTok.

You're not saying you're, you're not looks maxing?

I'm not looks maxing. I, I think also it just goes back to, I think Cam has a really good point about these Trojan horses. And it all goes back to disaffected young men specifically, I think white men, especially why they've been pushed out of the party. He's absolutely right. They're, they're seeing all these initiatives to help people. They don't feel like they're part of that class. They feel like they're the people that are getting taken from or being chastised or, or having conversations like this. Like, what the hell is wrong with young men? To be honest, like, my gut reaction to that was like, really? We're blaming the young men? What's going on with young men is they're all fatherless, so they need Jordan Peterson to fucking tell them to make their bet. Like, what's going on with young men is they don't even know what masculinity is supposed to look like anymore because we've been told no. It's like, maybe it's okay to wear a dress. And like, you should be in touch with your feelings. But then they cry in front of their girlfriend and they get dumped. And so then fucking Andrew Tate is out here being like, no, guys, do some chest press. That's how you get the. And. And like, yeah, these are easy, compelling narratives to young men who literally just don't have any guide.

[Sebastian]

And I've seen, I've seen young men fall prey to these things. You know, the types of people that you followed on Instagram because you were in the same middle school and high school classes. And then over the years, you don't really talk. And then suddenly you see them posting this insane shit, and you're like, what could have happened to you? It's this pro male culture, and there's so many different failures that have contributed to this. But it's this idea that to be pro male and to be pro masculine, you must be anti woman. And that is something that makes a lot of sense to these young men. Now, mind you, I think there's a degree to which there are people who share a lot of my values that believe that to be pro woman, you need to be anti man. But right now, for what we're talking about, especially the trend that we're discussing, a lot of young men think that in order to stand up for ourselves, we need to knock women down a peg. And it's this really dangerous thing. It's the same shit that you get from. From Inceldom. It's the idea that I'm not getting what I want, but suddenly someone like Andrew Tate is telling me, don't worry, it's everybody else who's wrong. It's not you. You need to be more aggressive. You need to be more masculine. And we're associating being masculine with aggression. And again, there are a lot of pro female women's rights people who characterize masculinity as aggression. Understandably so. But then young men say, okay, well, then if I'm going to double down on being a man, that means I need to be more aggressive. And what you see in a lot of these pro man circles is that guys who fuck are now using the same exact playbook as guys who have never fucked in their entire life. Incel playbook is being used by guys who fuck. And it's really, really dangerous. And parents are blaming young people. And this goes to what you were saying, Dylan. Parents are blaming young people for how fucking awful we are, but they conveniently forget that they're the ones who raised us right. Like if a mean kid bullies your kid at school, mean kid shoves your kid into a locker, as a parent, you want that kid's parents to take responsibility. But then you see your kid going through these crazy shit brain Internet things, and you don't want to take accountability. And the way things are trending, not to throw you under the bus, Tim, what we're seeing at these school board meetings, what we're seeing with teachers, is that millennial parents are trending in a really bad direction.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, great fucking Parents, I'm sure. I have a different theory. Sex is. Sex is part of this. I have a different theory.

This is a big part of this. Because no one's having it in our generation.

Nobody's having it.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay, Speak for yourselves.

[Tim Miller]

No, guys, you're right.

But I'm fucking plenty. Okay.

All kinds of outliers. Caskey, we can't.

[Cameron Caskey]

Hell yeah.

[Tim Miller]

You're at the. You're at the top end of the bell curve cam distribution. Not what we're talking about.

Sorry.

[Sebastian]

You can't be.

[Tim Miller]

In addition to the sex, I want to throw the jobs at you. I think this is the problem with dudes is that like, the, like, the jobs are fulfilling. They don't have fulfilling work. And this, like, I actually think that, that this is my capitalist version of it. I'm sorry, I know you're an anarcho connect, but I think that, like, dudes are like, like sitting behind a desk, like, doing stupid fucking PowerPoints for their beta boss is like, very unfulfilling or not being able to get a good job at all or like being treated like shit by women because they have a working class job. Like, I think that, I think that that is behind.

I actually, when I asked this to my older brother, these are the two things that he said. He said, one is sex. No one's having sex and have more sex. And that's probably true. Statistically, lots of people are having sex, of course, but statistically, our generation is having less and they're all watching a bunch of porn. And I think that, like, their brains are. Are messed up and they don't know how to interact with people anymore. I just was reading we're like the most isolated generation ever. But also everyone is becoming more isolated. Like, we're all spending more time at home. We're all getting takeout and not eating the restaurant. Like, we're really just trending in this direction of isolation. But it's all. It all goes back to social media guys. Like, we really sold ourselves to these companies and young kids are addicted. Like, I talked. The reason I don't use TikTok, I talk to kids who have like six to eight hours a day just on that one app. Like, their brain cannot fight it. It's just a slot machine. They can't.

[Sebastian]

And let's be clear, by the way, real quick, Gen Z is not the people who fucking designed these apps to be addictive. Gen Z didn't make Facebook. And Gen Z is not the only people who are addicted to these social media platforms. People act like this is this Gen Z phenomenon just because all eyes are on us as we're becoming adults and we fucking suck. But I know millennials, Gen Xers and boomers who are spending all day on social media too. What Facebook does with boomers is insane. And it's not unlike what TikTok does to radicalize young people. So many older people have been radicalized by Facebook, which we know was designed to make people addicted.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't understand how we haven't regulated these platforms yet. Like we know what they're capable of. They've caused genocides overseas. Like they're not a joke, they're not to be played around with. They're not like a light technology just for fun. They're really, really influencing how people think. Like to Cassie's point, I feel so bad for elders and like all the, like there's. They don't even have a lot of the tools online to sift through misinformation and clickbait and nonsense that like younger people. Yes, we're all addicted to the stuff, but at least we know how it all works. And we can not that young people don't fact check anything either. And that's a big problem. Like part of the way we get information from these systems is just the scroll feed, right? And how many times do we see something like ah, that doesn't seem true but like, who knows? And then we just scroll without checking it and then you just have this idea floating around in your brain that's like unverified whether it. And I just feel like there's a lot of kids and adults running around with that. It's like malware in their brain. It's just like all this bad information that they don't know how to sort through. So it's a, it's a processing problem, it's a researching problem and it's also like a deluge of information problem that's keeping us all isolated and alone and we don't talk to each other so we're all getting weird. An inselli.

That's uplifting. Okay, I have one more. There's one political angle on this. I'm sorry to have to obsess over the red versus blue side of this since it's a political channel. And that is that if all the dudes that are looks maxing are red pilled and only ugly dudes are working for the Democrats, that's not going to be great. That's not great. I feel like that's a Long term problem for the Democrats that it is.

And I think Cameron's absolutely right. And that's why I like people like Hasan, Piker and others stepping into space. Like, I hate to say it, but, like, it sounds so good. It sounds so gross. But like, you're straight. White men need to like, step up right now and like, be loud and vocal. Yeah. Be hot, but don't like, shoot anyone. Just maybe get on and speak your mind about Trump or something.

[Sebastian]

I'll just say of the young people, the Democratic Party platforms in one way or another. And you know, I wasn't exactly getting pushed by the Harris campaign. I did a couple live streams with some senators, et cetera, but I wasn't that front facing. But I just did a press conference with Charles Schumer that was just the two of us. And I am a good enough looking guy that I can do some good work for us, but I should not be one of the better looking people the party is putting forward. I should be the median. I should. There should be so many cuter boys than me that the Democrats are platforming to talk to other boys. And the fact that I am on the cuter side of these boys is atrocious. I'm cute enough to be one of the boys. I should not be one of the cutest boys.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, you're low. Medium on the masculine side as well. Like low. Like you should, you should be on the. You should be on the low to medium of the masculine side.

[Cameron Caskey]

And here I am as like one.

[Sebastian]

Of the frat bros. Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Sorry.

No, no, no, sorry. I'm just laughing that. Cameron, Cameron, you're so fratty in my pink shirt. Leave some babes for the rest of us, bro. I 100 agree, though. No, he's right. We. We really need to, like, get a messaging. The other thing is, remember that we're trying to appeal to shallow people. Like, these are people whose talking points are things. Like, the right is so much hotter. Like, this matters. These people, they're not voting on serious policy. Like, they're voting on vibes and they think daddy's gonna like lower gas prices or whatever. But, you know, we just have to appeal them at some point. Like on their level, I guess.

All right, y'all, that was so great. Dylan, thank you for bringing that bisexual warrior monk perspective to the show. Please, can you stick around? We have one more segment that we're gonna do at the end of all these shows. It's called Gen Z News. You know, this thing's going to evolve week to week. We're all going to bring kind of a topic something in Gen Z News. Maybe it's about politics, maybe it's about something I know nothing about, influencer beefs or whatever. And every week we'll just go over something buzzing in Gen Z. Get everybody's take. I'm going to take the first question this time. Producer Sebastian will be taking the lead on this. He'll be asking the second question. And going forward in future weeks we'll be having him maybe surprise us with some topics and see what is a buzz with Gen Z. So stick around for that Gen Z News up next.

[Chumba Casino]

At Ameca Insurance we know it's more than just a house. It's your home. The place that's filled with memories. The early days of figuring it out to the later years of still figuring.

[Tim Miller]

It out.

[Chumba Casino]

For the place you've put down roots. Trust Amica Home Insurance Ameca Empathy is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Our Best Policy it is Ryan Seacrest here. There was a recent social media trend which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment. But a better trend would be going to chumbacasino.com it's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumba casino has over 100 online casinos, casino style games, all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free welcome bonus [e-mail] sponsored by Chumba Casino.

[Sebastian]

No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void where prohibited by law.

[Tim Miller]

21/ terms and conditions apply.

[Chumba Casino]

At Amica Insurance we know it's more than just a car or a house. It's the four wheels that get you where you're going and the four walls that welcome you home. When you combine auto and home insurance with Amica, we'll help protect it all. And the more you cover, the more you can save. Amica Empathy is our best policy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hello it is Ryan. And we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino. Chumba Casino has all your favorite social casino style games that you can play for free, anytime, anywhere with daily bonuses. So sign up [e-mail] that's chumbacasino.com no.

[Sebastian]

Purchase necessary VGW Group Void we're prohibited.

[Tim Miller]

By law 21 + terms and conditions apply.

A new poll from Channel 4 in Britain, 52% of Gen Z said they thought the UK would be a better place if a strong leader was in charge who does not have to bother with the parliament. And 33% said that the UK would be better off if the army was in charge. So we have like one third that wants a military dictatorship and 52% want a, I guess, non military dictatorship. That's a little concerning for me.

[Cameron Caskey]

Listen, if we're going to do a.

[Sebastian]

Military dictatorship, I can only hope it's guys like Dylan.

[Tim Miller]

They better have good looking uniforms or something. I don't know. Like, yeah, I think that, like I said, people are scared. There's a huge right shift on the whole planet right now though.

What are they scared of? What are they so scared of that they need a dictatorship?

War is up. I think people do want strong leaders during times of conflict and it doesn't look like it's slowing down. Even this, you know, temporary, I mean, let's just. Ceasefires are great. So I'm really happy. I'm gonna give Trump credit and say like he did one good thing. Then again, it's real common for ceasefires in Israel during inaugurations. But, you know, yeah, I think there's a lot of conflict going on. People are stressed. People are talking about World War 3, which isn't really going to happen obviously, but people don't know that they're dumb.

[Sebastian]

And also they fucking hate immigrants in the uk. Everybody acts like just because we've got a president who is sending 30,000 immigrants to fucking camps at Guantanamo Bay doesn't mean they don't fucking hate immigrants in Europe. But holy shit, Europeans are so fucking anti immigration.

[Tim Miller]

I'm so happy.

Especially anti Muslim for sure.

I'm so happy. I was a 90s baby. I got to tell you, the military dictatorship percentage among my teenage friends I think would have been pretty, pretty much lower than 33% but it's strange times. All right, Sebastian, do you have any Gen Z news you want us to respond to?

[Cameron Caskey]

So this is from Fortune, talking about a report by Intelligent.com saying bosses are firing Gen Z grads just months after hiring them. Here's what they say needs to change. According to a report by Intelligent.com, which surveyed 966 business leaders involved in hiring decisions at their company to explore attitude towards hiring recent Gen z College graduates, six in 10 employers say they have already sacked some of their some of the Gen Z workers they hired fresh out of college in recent months. 75% of companies report that some or all of the recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory. Six in 10 companies fired at least one college graduate they hired this year. Only 25% state that all recent college graduate hires worked out well. The most frequently cited reasons for why these hires didn't work out were a lack of motivation or initiative, 50%, poor communication skills, 39% and a lack of professionalism, 46%.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. They don't work. That's why they're getting fired, because they don't like to work. Their brains are broken by TikTok and they like to complain and they like to look.

I don't think you're wrong, though. I don't think you're wrong. Well, I, I think that young people, again, they're disaffected. So they don't view all these corporate jobs as like, there, there's been a big attitude shift. It used to be such a, like, oh, I have this, I have a good job, you know, and that, like, was really fulfilling. To your point. I don't think it fulfills people anymore. Like they're kind of over this, this system. They feel like they're being exploited, which they are most of the time. I mean. Also, it's interesting though, like we had a little conversation about. Or you made a mention about capitalism and I'm an anarcho. I forget what word you said.

Communist.

You're an anarchist, I think, I think. Are you familiar with the word techno feudalism?

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah. So like, I don't.

[Sebastian]

Hypothetically, if he wasn't familiar with it, can you explain it to Tim?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. So I would just say as a point, while we're talking about economics and stuff, because I'm a systems guy, I don't think I've ever been producer like under capitalism, except that capitalism subsumes all the things we're about to talk about right now. But I've never had the capitalist framework of like employer, employee, right? Means production. I have a techno feudal framework around my work, which is like I have rents that I pay in order to operate a digital cloud based FIFA, if you will. Right. Like I create products that are then held on a platform that people can interact with. But I'm the, I'm the farmer, right? I'm the one creating the stuff and then the landowner who owns all the digital land extracts his rents from that. It's a very different system than capitalism. And I think that a lot of people get to interact with that system now. Right. It's easier than ever to become an entrepreneur, a business owner. Or a drop shipper or whatever people do on the Internet. Sell your.

I don't really know what you do that you walk for a while. You're a poet, you're a veteran.

Book right here for you, Tim.

Yeah, I'm going to read it.

I'm going to send you this in the mail.

I'm fucking pumped.

And make you interact with artworks? Yes. No, I just, I think that people actually today have a lot more like freedom to make money in structures that aren't hyper, authoritarian, capitalist structures. Like where I have a boss who tells me like, sit down at this time and don't use your bathroom break.

And especially with the Jetsons, man, like all we just, all we want, all we just want the kids to do is send the memo when it's time to send the memo. You know, like it's not like I.

Said, I've never had a job so I'm caricaturizing it. But I've been to school and I'll tell you, that is what school is like in the United States. And so if there's, if that's a pipeline system, I just had to get out. But anyways, I think especially with remote work, like people have higher standards for their, for their wages and how they're acquired now. So I think people are just willing to jump around between jobs and find the ones that suit them. And I think this like whole like Gen Z so problematic. They're not professional in the workplace. Like what does that mean? Like they don't show enough deference to their overlords or what does that, you know, I'd like to dive into the specifics of those statistics is all.

I believe I had an assistant that was like doing her toenail, like painting her toenails in the middle of the day. I mean, I guess, but I was just like, man, I'm waiting, like I'm, I'm waiting for like you to send me the fucking document, you know, Can.

[Cameron Caskey]

I give my hot take?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Sebastian]

I think that two things famously can be true at once. And I think that Gen Z has had access to information that illuminates just how much employers exploit their workers and that has de. Incentivized people from feeding into certain things. On the other hand, I also think that Gen Z employees are an absolute cancer in the workforce. I don't know if I would ever hire somebody from Gen Z if I were in a position where I was hiring people. I personally have an assistant who I pay task to task mostly because he operates assistantameron caskey.com and answers emails that I don't want to answer. I call him my thrall, which is probably not professional, but in general, like, you know, Gen Z sucks in the workforce and the workforce sucks for Gen Z and you can have a lot of relationships that are toxic where both people are the toxic one. And that's not to say Gen Z ought to continue being absolutely the worst. But I'm not surprised that people are firing Gen Z ers when most of the Gen Zers I know regularly commit time theft. Something that I by the way, have committed.

[Tim Miller]

We're leaving your email there in the final document so that your poor assistant can get emails from 62 year old ladies who think you're so cute. That was, that was great. You're awesome. We should do this. We're going to use this. We're going to use some version of it. I don't know. We got to figure it out. We have, we have to. We have a few T's to cross and I's to dot, et cetera. Cameron's, you know, team is a very challenging negotiator. You know, we've got lots of legal stuff to worry about so, you know, we want to make sure Cameron can afford rent. So we got to get that figured out. But we'll keep you posted. I appreciate it, it's super helpful. The drug rug is great by the way. It's good vibe.

[Sebastian]

Guys, gals, gender non conforming pals, that's the fucking show. You're smarter for listening to it. There's more to come. We are gonna have some guests who.

[Cameron Caskey]

Are not only the smartest people in.

[Sebastian]

Gen Z, they are also the most.

[Cameron Caskey]

Exciting and there's way more coming.

[Sebastian]

We are going to break every barrier, we're going to push the envelope and your life is going to change. So stay tuned. Tune in every week. You can follow Tim Miller on one of his social media platforms. I don't fucking care.

[Tim Miller]

Subscribe to the feed. Subscribe to the feed. Subscribe to the fypod comment. Like share text. Right?

[Cameron Caskey]

Do it. Do it all, man. And just so you know, we're going nowhere.

[Sebastian]

Not until, until Donald Trump publicly steps down and apologizes for everything he's ever done and says, you know what guys, I take it all back.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm gonna undo it and I am going to personally name Aoc our next president. Until that happens, we're still gonna cook whether you like it or not. Come back soon.

[Chumba Casino]

Every day our world gets a little more connected, but a little further apart. But then there are moments that remind us to be more human.

[Tim Miller]

Thank you for calling Ameca Insurance.

[Cameron Caskey]

Hey, I was just in an accident.

[Ameca Insurance]

Don't worry.

[Cameron Caskey]

We'll get you taken care of.

[Chumba Casino]

At Ameca, we understand that looking out for each other isn't new or groundbreaking. It's human. Ameca empathy is our best policy.

[Tim Miller]

How to have fun anytime, anywhere.

[Cameron Caskey]

STEP 1. Go to chumbacasino.com chumbacasino.com Got it.

[Tim Miller]

STEP 2 Collect your welcome bonus. Come to papa. Welcome bonus. Step 3 Play hundreds of casino style games for free. That's a lot of games, all for free. Step 4 Unleash your excitement. Chumba Casino has been delivering thrills for over a decade. So claim your free welcome bonus now and live the chumba life. Visit chumbacasino.com no purchase necessary.

[Sebastian]

VGW Group void where prohibited by law.

[Tim Miller]

21/ Terms and Conditions apply.