27: How to Catch a MAGA Spy

Summary

FYPod Episode 27: How to Catch a MAGA Spy

Podcast Information:

• Title: FYPod
• Host/Author: The Bulwark
• Description: Gen Z swung hard for Trump in 2024, and Tim Miller wants to know why. He’s teaming up with Cameron Kasky on the For You Pod to break down the politics of the TikTok generation—what’s driving their shift and what it will take to win them back. Tune in weekly for sharp insights into America’s youngest voters.
• Episode: 27: How to Catch a MAGA Spy
• Release Date: May 17, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 27 of FYPod, hosts Tim Miller and Cameron Casky welcome Suzanne Lambert, a former conservative turned liberal comedian and TikTok personality. The episode delves into Suzanne's experiences with political espionage, Gen Z's political dynamics, and broader insights into current American political landscapes.

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Guest Introduction and Background (00:39 – 02:15)

Tim Miller introduces Suzanne Lambert as a TikTok celebrity and stand-up comedian. Suzanne clarifies, “I’m from Georgia, not Florida” (01:21). She discusses her transition from a conservative upbringing to embracing liberal views after moving to Florida and engaging in the comedy scene.

Notable Quote:

“When you have three comics in a row talk about their experiences with like racism, you're like, huh, maybe, maybe that thing does exist that they told me didn't exist.” — Suzanne Lambert (02:48)

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Encounter with a MAGA Spy (02:15 – 16:54)

Suzanne narrates her encounter with a man named David Blair, who she suspects is a MAGA spy attempting to infiltrate liberal circles. She describes how his poor disguise and lack of subtlety raised red flags:

“He gives himself away so easily and so obviously… he gave the name of a 90s street magician.” — Suzanne Lambert (13:02)

Despite his attempts to mask his intentions, Suzanne’s keen observation led her to identify him as part of a conservative pack aiming to surveil liberal influencers.

Notable Quote:

“He looks like he's on Palantir. I don't know if he works for Palantir, but, like, it feels like his bio should be on Palantir's website.” — Tim Miller (13:40)

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Political Climate and Conservative Dissatisfaction (19:06 – 22:26)

The discussion shifts to the current dissatisfaction among conservative friends regarding President Trump's policies. Suzanne highlights that even staunch conservatives are unhappy with measures like Medicaid cuts and budget proposals, which negatively impact their constituents. This discontent signals potential challenges for the Republican agenda.

Notable Quote:

“Even my most conservative friends, they hate the Medicaid cuts, are very unpopular… It just doesn't look good for them.” — Suzanne Lambert (19:58)

Cameron adds that prominent conservatives like Ben Shapiro have publicly criticized Donald Trump's actions, emphasizing that current policies are detrimental to the party’s image and goals.

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Democratic Content Creation and Authenticity (24:31 – 33:04)

Suzanne and the hosts explore the challenges Democrats face in creating engaging content to appeal to Gen Z. Suzanne suggests that politicians should embrace their authentic selves, whether they are naturally "cool" or "nerdy," rather than forcing a façade.

Notable Quote:

“If you're not, like, lean into that as well. I don't think we need… your political party needs to be that thing.” — Suzanne Lambert (32:28)

They discuss how genuine and relatable content can resonate more effectively with younger audiences compared to forced attempts at being trendy or edgy.

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ChatGPT and Modern Communication (44:18 – 48:39)

The conversation transitions to the use of AI, specifically ChatGPT, in daily life and content creation. Suzanne shares her experiences using ChatGPT for understanding attachment styles and personal queries, while Cameron expresses skepticism about its reliability.

Notable Quote:

“So instead of annoyingly, persistently texting your friend, you can just text ChatGPT and then no one knows how pathetic you are unless you announce it on a podcast.” — Tim Miller (45:46)

They debate the merits and pitfalls of relying on AI for personal advice, emphasizing the importance of human connection and authentic interactions.

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Boomer Mailbag: Swearing Among Democrats (49:15 – 51:46)

In the Boomer Mailbag segment, listeners inquire about the increasing use of profanity among Democrats. The discussion reveals differing perspectives on the appropriateness and effectiveness of using strong language in political discourse.

Notable Quote:

“If it's authentic and it's meeting the moment and mirroring their genuine frustration or emotions on a topic, it's not that big of a deal.” — Suzanne Lambert (50:22)

The hosts agree that while excessive swearing might alienate some listeners, it can also serve as a tool for expressing genuine emotions and frustrations.

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Gen Z and Political Protests (51:04 – 56:18)

The episode concludes with a discussion on Gen Z's participation—or lack thereof—in political protests. Suzanne attributes the low turnout to social anxiety, trauma from previous high-intensity protests, and a sense of futility stemming from repeated activism without tangible results.

Notable Quote:

“Gen Z gets together less frequently in person than other generations… there's a lot of trauma, rightfully with younger people and large crowds.” — Suzanne Lambert (52:59)

Cameron echoes these sentiments, noting that persistent protests have led to exhaustion and skepticism about their effectiveness in driving meaningful change.

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Conclusion

Episode 27 of FYPod offers a multifaceted exploration of contemporary American politics through the lens of Gen Z and the impact of polarized environments. Suzanne Lambert provides firsthand insights into political espionage, the evolving dynamics within conservative circles, and strategies for effective liberal content creation. The hosts, Tim Miller and Cameron Casky, alongside Suzanne, navigate complex topics with humor and critical analysis, shedding light on the challenges and opportunities in engaging America's youngest voters.

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Notable Quotes:

1. “When you have three comics in a row talk about their experiences with like racism, you're like, huh, maybe, maybe that thing does exist that they told me didn't exist.” — Suzanne Lambert (02:48)
2. “He looks like he's on Palantir. I don't know if he works for Palantir, but, like, it feels like his bio should be on Palantir's website.” — Tim Miller (13:40)
3. “Even my most conservative friends, they hate the Medicaid cuts, are very unpopular… It just doesn't look good for them.” — Suzanne Lambert (19:58)
4. “If you're not, like, lean into that as well. I don't think we need… your political party needs to be that thing.” — Suzanne Lambert (32:28)
5. “So instead of annoyingly, persistently texting your friend, you can just text ChatGPT and then no one knows how pathetic you are unless you announce it on a podcast.” — Tim Miller (45:46)
6. “If it's authentic and it's meeting the moment and mirroring their genuine frustration or emotions on a topic, it's not that big of a deal.” — Suzanne Lambert (50:22)
7. “Gen Z gets together less frequently in person than other generations… there's a lot of trauma, rightfully with younger people and large crowds.” — Suzanne Lambert (52:59)

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Timestamps Reference:

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• 01:21
• 02:15
• 02:48
• 13:02
• 13:40
• 19:58
• 24:31
• 32:28
• 44:18
• 45:46
• 49:15
• 50:22
• 52:59

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Transcript

[Tim Miller]

Packages by Expedia. You were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels.

[Cameron Caskey]

And hammocks for less.

[Tim Miller]

Expedia made to travel. Hey y' all, I'm Tim Miller.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm Cameron Caskey and this is FY Pod, the the Bulwarks young new show. This week we are joined by the amazing Suzanne Lambert to talk about everything from being from Florida, getting infiltrated by MAGA spies, and maybe a little bit more too. Suzanne, how are you?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I'm so good. So happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

[Tim Miller]

Spycraft. That was a good tease. I gotta tell you, Suzanne, I know nothing about you except you're a TikTok celebrity. I've spent 20 minutes on your TikTok feed. It's pretty engaging. I'm going to have a few notes for you at the end. For the listeners who like me, are just meeting you, give us a little kind of first date. Tldr. What's your life been like?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, sure. So let me emphatically say that I'm from Georgia. I'm not from Florida.

[Tim Miller]

Go Dogs.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Georgia girl. Go dogs. Yep. I'm a grad of the university Georgia. Might have heard of it. From Georgia. Have been doing stand up comedy since 2018. Grew up super conservative and when I moved to Florida, had a few different life, you know, circumstances and experiences that made me change my political views. Like probably a lot of your listeners.

[Tim Miller]

And so when you started your comedy, were you a conservative? Did you do other old tapes of like, you doing, you know, kind of white grievance jokes or like, you know, kind of jokes where you use retard.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Or like, no, hate the R word. You will never ever find me saying.

[Cameron Caskey]

We here at FYpod detest the word as well. Especially Tim.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I really dislike it. What? So do you. But you do have some old conservative standup that's out there somewhere. That's funny.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I love that. You're already on the hunt and the answer is no, I don't. So honestly, it was really comedy. That one of was one of the reasons why I kind of changed my views because, like, you're in an environment where you're hearing people talk about their life experiences over and over and you're not in a position where you have to respond. You're not in a position where you feel threatened, like you can kind of laugh and you know, when you have three comics in a row talk about their experiences with like racism, you're like, huh, maybe, maybe that thing does exist that they told me didn't exist. And that was really like the cat, like, reverse racism.

[Tim Miller]

That was. That was. That was. Your light bulb went off and you're like, I should do some jokes about the reverse racism that I feel.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I. Honestly, when I started doing comedy, I wouldn't even cuss on stage. I was like, hell bent on being a clean comic. Which is so funny because it's absolutely not the case now. But no, you won't find any problematic stand up. You could probably find some problematic old Facebook statuses if you dig hard enough. And please don't.

[Cameron Caskey]

To be clear, to be clear, Tim is not asking about your problematic old standup in order to do a gotcha. He's asking because he wants to watch it to just, you know, scratch his former conservative itch.

[Tim Miller]

Exactly. I don't know if I'm not. I'm not that interested in non cursing stand up. Do you remember any, like, old PG jokes that you had? Did you have. Do you have any material?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, yeah, I. There's one. I. It's a long setup about men and sports and how men are obsessed with sports and reciting sports statistics and all.

[Tim Miller]

The things, naming all players. We can just like, name players from the 1990s.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I mean, it's insane. You're like, like, he's the. And like, the. The statistics, they say they'll be like, he's the first quarterback to ever get a fifth touchdown in the last second of the third. I'm like, how do you even. Like.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, but that's. That's something that the commentators on ESPN do. Like, every game you watch, they pull out the craziest stat. Like, something will happen. They'll be like, this is Nikola Jokic, second best. One minute, 30 seconds to two minutes in this. In the third quarter in playoff history. Like, they've got some AI that's just pulling stat. Everything that happens in a especially playoffs game, there's some record that it's breaking.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Or just like a really passionate, neurodivergent person behind the scenes kind of pulling random stats together. But the punchline of that joke is. I'm not mad at it though, because it's the only time men reflect on other men's actions. And men love that joke. Like, men loved, loved that joke. So that. That's like an oldie, you know, That's a good oldie.

[Tim Miller]

There weren't any church jokes. There weren't any, like, you know, I.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Have some church jokes. So this is tea. My. My stepdad was the priest at my church before he married my mom. They've been married for, like, 25 years. So I have a joke about how he went from. Because, you know, in the Catholic Church, you called him, like, father, right?

[Tim Miller]

Oh, he's a Catholic priest. He left. He defrocked himself.

[Suzanne Lambert]

That's when you know you've got him in your clutches, when he'll totally, like, abandon his vow of poverty and his.

[Tim Miller]

Attacks, his three bag situation.

[Cameron Caskey]

Wait, isn't frock a sex thing?

[Tim Miller]

No, defrocked is, like, where you take off your garments, your priestly garments.

[Cameron Caskey]

What am I thinking of? Can you think of a sex thing that sounds like frock Deflowered? No.

[Tim Miller]

Frottage. Frottage. No.

[Cameron Caskey]

What's the thing that, like, Mormons do when they don't want to have sex but they wedding? The thing where somebody. Where they're like, they put. They. They like, get in a sex position.

[Tim Miller]

Doc.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't think it's doc. I think Doc is a gay thing. I think. No, there's something you. Oh, I don't want this in my Google search.

[Tim Miller]

History interrupted the joke. You'll. You'll come up with it. All right, so, okay, so your dad, your stepdad was defrocked because he loved your mother as a fleabag love story. Okay, continue.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Literally so hot. Like, I can't even get a text back. And, you know, she has a man abandoned his entire profession. Must be nice. But. And so I have a joke there about how he went from being father to daddy. You know, just like, stupid shit. But it's a good joke.

[Tim Miller]

That's good. Yeah, I saw the. Do you know Fleabag? You know that show?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I never watched it. No, I'm like, seven shows behind, Cam.

[Tim Miller]

You know that show Fleabag? Anyway, there's a hot.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm glad you've watched Fleabag, Tim.

[Tim Miller]

There's a hot priest on Fleabag. I saw him at the gay bar in New York. It's like, everybody's gay. This whole storyline in the show was about how he's a hot straight priest that they're going to convert. But in reality, the real life is he was a gay club.

[Cameron Caskey]

Many of the hottest straight guys from TV and media are, in fact, homosexuals.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, hold on. Now back to Suzanne. You know, me and Cameron keep taking you off. So, okay, so you're a comedian. You are Earnest Milk and Cookies comedian. And then now you've made the full switch. How far gone are you now? Are you just, like, a vile leftist or like, where are you on the.

[Suzanne Lambert]

No, and they hate me, and I hate them. I try to Post something once a week that would alienate only the most annoying people to exist on the Internet. To get rid of those people from my following.

[Cameron Caskey]

I followed you.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. It hasn't worked on you yet. That's. That's good.

[Cameron Caskey]

To be fair, I don't know if I've watched any of the content, but you can't take that personally, because as soon as I see that something's a video, I scroll past it. But if. If you are listening right now, please comment on our videos that I post. That would be a great idea. And comment down below how much you appreciate Suzanne for making content to reach new people. Suzanne, when we were on the phone talking about this episode and we were just doing a little intro, you told me something that really resonated, which was you consider yourself an entertainer more than an informer because you think it's important for people who are making positive social content to focus on making stuff that people want to watch as well. That doesn't feel like homework. When did you figure that one out?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Honestly, like, right around the election, I would say, because we're. We're really good on the left about informing and reporting facts and statistics and headlines, and that's all, like, very. It's very boring, right?

[Tim Miller]

Facts. Who needs them?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. Who needs them? Right. Yeah. I mean, we're just kind of boring. And on the right, they're. They're a lot more entertaining. So I've always been, you know, entertainment first. If. If I inform along with that, great. But that's not the goal. And actually, a lot of people on the left have a problem with that sometimes. And they'll be like, well, why aren't you talking about this? Why aren't you talking about that? I'm like, because I don't talk about a lot of things. Like, I'm not. I'm not a news reporter. That's not why I'm here.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, there's. There's a lot of things that I don't talk about, and people will ask me why I don't talk about it. And I'm like, you know what? I respect you too much to subject you to my opinion on this thing that is so poorly educated. But your comedy has resonated so much with people online that you ended up getting invited to be some sort of host for the annoying liberal TikTok conference at which you and I met. For those of you who didn't listen to that episode, me and Suzanne and Harry Sisson and the types of people you see online where you're like, Oh, I agree. That former FY podcast, Jessica Burbank. The people you see online where you're like, oh, I agree with everything they're saying. I don't know if they would be a fun hang, but I agree with their politics. We all got together for what to me was a very fun hang.

[Suzanne Lambert]

So fun.

[Cameron Caskey]

You were the bell of the fucking ball. And I wanted to ask you, did.

[Tim Miller]

Harry Sisson DM you@ any point during the.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Harry and I are buddies. He's also like, like, not like that in real life. I don't know why people think he's such, like a sweet, chill, chill guy.

[Cameron Caskey]

I love the kid. That's my. That's my new little brother right there.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

But while, while I was downstairs in the lobby with Harry, hanging out with my little brother and some other nice kids, some of the Midas touch dorks, we. We saw this strange looking man who was being very affable and social, chatting people up, sort of networking a little bit, I think under the guise of being some sort of liberal. And then in the signal. In the signal chat with everybody at the conference with hundreds of people in the signal chat warning, MAGA guy infiltrating the conference. I personally was just like, lol. And I put my phone down and went to sleep.

[Tim Miller]

Did he infiltrate the signal chat as well? Is it like a Pete Hegseth situation?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well. Oh, my God. Well, it was a liberal thing. So since there was a signal chat, everybody made the Pete Hegseth joke.

[Tim Miller]

So many people take that out. That's embarrassing. I made the same joke as Keith Edwards, didn't I?

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know the same. I don't know the whole situation because I just was, like amused and then went to bed. Can you lay it out for us?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, my God. I thought you'd never ask. I'm obsessed with talking about this man, David Blair. Can I use his full name?

[Tim Miller]

David Blair. So put his picture up. Because I saw his picture on your. On your social media. We'll put it up here for the YouTube viewers. And I think it's important to, like, look at him, to visualize this person.

[Cameron Caskey]

He's one of those guys sort of like Andrew Schultz, the guy who Pete Buttigieg went on the podcast of where the face has not earned the facial hair.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I called him an ugly ass Lego villain, which I feel like is the perfect way to describe his entire aesthetic. He looks like.

[Tim Miller]

He looks like he's on Palantir. I don't know if he works for Palantir, but, like, it Feels like his bio should be on Palantir's website.

[Cameron Caskey]

So what's. What. What the happened?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Okay, so. Okay, to set the scene. It's like 4pm, right? It was the first full day of the conference, so it was Monday. Oh, my God. So it was like a week ago. That's crazy. Over a week ago. And I went to the bar, and there was a guy sitting there who had clearly been there a while, like, seemed pretty drunk, and he was just like, hey, are you here for the influencer conference? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, if I buy you a drink, can I ask you a few questions? And I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. I'll talk about myself. I love talking about myself. So basically, he starts by being like, my firm is investigating brands that invest in liberal creators. Can you tell me more about that? And I was like, what? What are you. Like, what are you talking. Because I'm like, if that's what he's really asking, there's no way he would give himself away so easily and so quickly and so obviously. So I was like, do you actually mean xyz? And then, like, it kind of started twisting and turning. Oh, I work for a pack that's affiliated with Newswire, and we're trying to, like, bring education to the classrooms. I was like, what kind of education? How does that pertain to brands? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? So at the end, he's like, yeah, let me get your number. And I was like, you can have my email. I was like, no, let me get your numbers. Like, no, you can have my email. And I took my drink and bounced. But the reason we found out who he was is because when I asked him his name, I was like, what did you say your name was? He said, his name was David Blaine. Like the 90s street magician.

[Tim Miller]

Like, the magician.

[Cameron Caskey]

This is the sloppiest spy craft I've ever seen. Because, first of all, saying, I we're, like, investigating these people. It's like, you should have said, we're networking with these people.

[Tim Miller]

Literally changed one letter in his name. It's like putting up a fake mustache.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Literally. If he had said, I'm here for a payroll conference, he should have just, like, made it up, acted totally unassuming. Influencers love talking about themselves. They would have told him everything he needed to know. But he, like, instead gave the name of a 90s street magician. And I was like, your name is David Blaine. And he goes, yeah, he took it a few years before me, so. So I Googled after I took my drink and swiftly exited David Blaine, like conservative pack because it was giving conservative. And then immediately it pops up. David Blair.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, so you're the one. You're the one who discovered this.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, he came to like the worst person.

[Cameron Caskey]

Nancy fucking Drew over here. Nancy Drew in the conservative infrastructure.

[Tim Miller]

That reference came. The boomers are going to be thrilled about that. About that poll, was there a new. Did they do like a Nancy Drew Netflix show or something?

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm sure they're. I'm sure they tried. No, it's. You know me. I pull my cultural references from anywhere. Except for Gen Z, but okay, so.

[Suzanne Lambert]

But not fancy Drew because it was like so easy and obvious to find. If you just said his name was like Mike Thompson, no one would have.

[Cameron Caskey]

That sounds pretty conservative too.

[Tim Miller]

That's a great big name.

[Suzanne Lambert]

He's actually the representative for Napa Valley Shout Out Rep. Thompson. No, like, I. He could have used any other name and we wouldn't have found him. But he used his almost exact fucking real name, which is so funny to me.

[Tim Miller]

That's.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I wonder what do we learn about this guy?

[Suzanne Lambert]

He's a weirdo, Owns a consulting firm that like, they essentially try to eradicate free speech on college campuses is what I gathered. So then a bunch of people. Because now it's like 1am like lots of time kind of goes by then a bunch of people were like drunk messaging him on LinkedIn. Apparently he took his photo off LinkedIn. So he like, knows that we like found him. And I have a, like a conservative, like follower who reached out to me and was like, oh, this guy's such a mess. I've known him for a long time. He's like always just a mess. So it was so funny. So like my whole thing for the summer is going David Blair. I want to have a plan, get too drunk, lose the plot, and like make unlikely friendships. That David Blair summer is the goal for me.

[Tim Miller]

That is great. Are you going to try to infiltrate Turning Point USA events?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I would rather die. I think I'd rather be dead.

[Tim Miller]

You live part time in Florida, I guess, because that. So your life is kind of a Turning Point USA conference a little bit. Is that right? You live in Tampa?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, I. I'm based in D.C. but I go to Tampa quite often. My dad's down there, so yeah, lots of time.

[Tim Miller]

Tampa is. Is awful. It's hard to really, I think, you know, even kind of find something nice to say about Tampa.

[Cameron Caskey]

I associate Tampa with some of my warmest memories because that was where my. Yeah, our district theater competition in high school, the state level competition was in downtown Tampa. And that was when like, that was like horny drama kid, like prom meets Super Bowl. All of us were in hotels, all the theater kids from every participating high school all over the state of Florida, all in the same exact hotels, competing with each other, getting body dysmorphia from each other, having sex with each other. And it was Candyland states was the biggest event of the year. I did great at it, obviously in multiple departments and it was just such a hoot. But my brother lives outside of Tampa in a small town out there and you know, his domestic life seems very idyllic. But I don't know if I could actually live in Tampa.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Tampa. I was. I got drunk at the White House correspondence dinner events and was going around telling everyone that Tampa is the greatest American city. And honestly, I stand by that.

[Tim Miller]

What is the case? Give us a quick 32nd case for Tampa.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Tampa is firstly, it has all the major sports except basketball, which like, who cares about that? It's on the water, it's stunning, it's walkable. Ish. The lifestyle is very healthy and active. People are outside. Amazing weather year round, incredible food.

[Tim Miller]

Incredible. Do you have a Michelin star restaurant in Tampa? When I picture a Tampa restaurant, I'm thinking like a Hooters off brand though. Well, you don't even have Hooters. You have kind of like something that's trying to imitate Hooters.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Let me fact check you there. Clearwater, Florida is the birthplace of Hooters.

[Tim Miller]

Well, there you go. See I had the sign my directionally I was correct if not in the details.

[Suzanne Lambert]

It is.

[Tim Miller]

Can you get like a quinoa salad with you know, some, some fresh fruits in Tampa or.

[Suzanne Lambert]

No, people like as Cameron was describing with like body dysmorphia being rampant at theater competitions. That's just like kind of the default setting in Tampa. It was actually named at one point the most vain city. They did like. No, literally, they did like the number of gyms and like, like botox, like med spas, all the things compared to the population. And Tampa's. Tampa was.

[Tim Miller]

A lot of maggots have moved in now. A lot of maggots.

[Cameron Caskey]

All of the insecure image obsessed Hooters fans. Listen to Suzanne, everybody. Tampa is the place for you to go.

[Tim Miller]

Wait, so a lot of them have moved there though. It is true, right? There have been a lot of the MAGA influencers like your competitors in the tick tock influencer space have like Gathered in Sarasota. It's a little south of Tampa, but in that corridor there.

[Cameron Caskey]

Wait, so just to go backwards in order to go forwards, because our next topic will tie into this. So you're from Georgia, in a city that is not Atlanta, Kennesaw, Georgia.

[Suzanne Lambert]

It's the law in Kennesaw because it's the law to own a gun.

[Cameron Caskey]

In my hometown, it's the law that you have to own a gun.

[Suzanne Lambert]

It's literally the law. I mean, it's not enforced, but it is a city ordinance that you have to own a gun. Yeah. And no one believes me. Google it.

[Cameron Caskey]

That is an odd one.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

And then you go from there to Tampa and then to D.C. so I feel like you're surrounded by a lot of conservative people. It's called the Tim Miller effect. And what that means is that you probably have a little bit of insight on how a lot of conservatives who have sort of conservative values are reacting to what Mag is doing, you know, how they might feel about what they voted for versus what they're getting. And, you know, I'm seeing a lot of articles right now about regretful MAGA voters who are saying, oh, I was voting for violent immigrants to get thrown in prison, not for El Salvador concentration camps. And, oh, I was voting for small government, not veterans benefits and cancer research getting slashed. What's the temperature in from the conservatives in your life about how they feel in general about all this?

[Suzanne Lambert]

They are not happy. Even my most conservative friends, they. They hate the Medicaid cuts, are very unpopular. The budget proposal, super unpopular. I mean, especially considering all the old white people down in Florida who benefit from those things. It's just, like, not a smart move. They don't like the private jets. They don't like, you know, the headset situation. Like, the temperature is not good. It doesn't look good for them.

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean, even. Even Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro came out and called out old Donald Trump on the jet thing. We could play a condensed version of the clip, Sebastian, if you could throw it up right now. That's not America First. Like, please define America first in a way that says you should take sacks of cash from the Qatari royals who are behind Al Jazeera. It just isn't America first in any conceivable way. So back to the original question. Is this good for President Trump? Is it good for his agenda? Is it good for draining the swamp and getting things done? The answer is, no, it isn't. Yeah. So a lot of conservatives have something to say about this.

[Suzanne Lambert]

How.

[Cameron Caskey]

How Closely. Do you think the conservatives, you know, follow what's going on? Like, if you're talking to one of your friends who might have voted for Trump or comes from a family that does. Do you think they know about, like, Cash Patel, director of the FBI, showing up to a budget hearing without a budget? And do you think they know about what's up with the tariffs or they just hear about it? Like, do you. Have they unplugged themselves from the news?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Well, I think they're all still getting their news from fox, which obviously can kind of spin it any way that, any way that it wants. And I also think, and I know this is a tactic of the Republicans, that they're overwhelmed by the amount of things that they're hearing. And there's so much, so many negative things that they're hearing that I think they're hesitant to believe some of it. But, I mean, I've, I've heard firsthand from, I have a conservative friend who owns like a, like a flower business, and she was saying that her price, like, her prices for her customers, she's having to go back to people who contracted for their weddings being like, hey, sorry, this is going to go up like 40%. So, I mean, they're, they're absolutely feeling it. They're pissed. I don't know that they're like, yay, gung ho Democrat. Which is completely fine. I get that we're annoying. Like, I understand why you wouldn't want to be over here, but they're not happy with how things are. And if I were a Republican representative, I would be, I would be worried and paying attention.

[Tim Miller]

So I kind of bringing your analysis of, you know, the, the Regretful Magaz, with your experience in Georgia, I want to ask you in particular about what I think was maybe your most viral TikTok, which was about the makeup that MAGA is doing. And I think it's interesting that you're focused on that because I've been focusing on the new face phenomenon. And, you know, with makeup, you can only do so much with makeup, you know, and for, for at least a couple of the cabinet secretaries decided to just go with, we're gonna do a whole new face, whole new me, whole new person, and I'm gonna reconstruct myself to look more appealing to the Cougars at Mar A Lago. But I'm wondering what your analysis of that. It seems like you, you probably have more expertise on this than me.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I mean, I'm supportive of some of them getting a new face because I've seen Their before pictures, I'm like, I. I get it. Just maybe your after face should be one that looks good and not insane. Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, I think. I think what it is, is you have these women, like, you know, Kristi Noem is prime example. Women who are, like, kind of dorky growing up, you know, as politicians should be hot. Take.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Suzanne Lambert]

And they get a little power, they get a little money. Whether that's from, you know, above. Above board means or not is one thing. Or from your constituents. They get a little money and then they just like, all of a sudden want to, like, relive that hot girl moment. It's like the moms who would be at cheerleading competitions trying to live vicariously through their daughters, like, wearing, like, all tricked out in, like, the merch of the team and like a bow in their hair, like, as if they were a cheerleader. That's. That's essentially what these women are doing. They're trying to relive the glory days that they never really had. They're trying to create their glory days now, and they look really busted while they do it.

[Tim Miller]

What are the, like, what are some. Like, if you're like, I'm trying to identify maga makeup of the wild. Like, I live in New Orleans, so we don't have a ton of maga, like, right in town. But like, if I go out to the burbs to like, you know, get a cartoon up or go to a chain restaurant or something, perhaps. Yeah. If I just want to look and just try to identify maggots in the wild via their makeup. What are, what are some things I should be looking for?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. So firstly, a lot of it, like, matte and flat. It's very like, like, see how my skin. You can kind of see like, a sheen they don't have. They don't moisturize, they don't do skin care. That's a whole other story. But like, very thick, flat, matte, double lined eyeliner top and bottom. Like, very thick black eyeliner. You can pry their eyeliner out of their cold, dead hands. Always like, insane eyebrows that never match each other. And also, like, don't really go with the shape of their face.

[Tim Miller]

So they're mismatching eyebrows.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. Like, they don't match each other and they' often in the shape of like, they call them like a sperm brow. Like, really thick right here and then really thin here or like a.

[Tim Miller]

Sorry, did you say sperm brow? Or squirm?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Sperm. Like, they look like sperm. Can you pull up a picture?

[Cameron Caskey]

Sperm. Tim it's that thing that happens when people are frocking.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, a little spermy eyebrow live. That's a new one for me.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, you haven't heard of sperm before?

[Tim Miller]

Sperm brow. No, I'm quite familiar with sperm, but I haven't heard of a sperm brow before.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, so it's like really thick and then really thin right here. And that's.

[Tim Miller]

Do they want them to be different, or did the people that are their. Their makeup artists just aren't very good at their job?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Well, they're. They're not good at their jobs. And I. I made a video about Caroline Levitt's makeup artist, and she ended up blocking me.

[Tim Miller]

But, like, you have beef with Caroline Levitt's makeup artist?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. Oh, dude, it's crazy. She was in, like, some crazy cult. I found all these pictures. Yeah, she blocked me.

[Tim Miller]

What kind of cult? I'm sorry, you just. I want a little more. You're teasing me with this.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Okay. I have to look up what it's called. And I. And I. I made a video about it. I could find it, but it's. They believe God is a woman who's, like, alive in China.

[Cameron Caskey]

T. T. I agree.

[Tim Miller]

Alive in China.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

You had me before. You had me before. Not Nancy Pelosi. Rbg. Yeah. I don't know if God's a woman in China.

[Cameron Caskey]

Wait, I'm so sorry to interrupt, but frotting is what I was thinking of. Frot.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, that's what I said. Frottage. Frottage. Frotting is short for frottage. That's what I said.

[Cameron Caskey]

It says fraught or. Fraughting is a sexual practice that usually involves direct penis to penis contact. The term was popularized by gay male activists who disparaged the practice of analysis. Excuse me. Anal sex has since evolved ellipses.

[Tim Miller]

You know, Cam dates women because he's calling it a null sex. Frotting. Frotting. Yes. Frattage. It's kind of like humping. It's kind of like a humping. And you and I. And I think with. With clothes on. I think. I don't. I don't. I'm not speaking from experience here, but my understanding is that with clothes on, and then you kind of get the sperm eyebrow at the end.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, I can't say I've done that since, like, sixth grade, probably.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

You haven't done direct penis to penis coffee.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I haven't done, like, over the clothes humping since.

[Tim Miller]

Over the clothes humping.

[Cameron Caskey]

Hold up, hold up. You were pulling. You were pulling like that in sixth grade I was pulling.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I was like the first girl to make out in sixth grade.

[Tim Miller]

Really?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Number one, we called it Code Nine. We, like, spoke. This is so human. I don't know why I'm sharing all this with you.

[Cameron Caskey]

Probably because it sounds like it's called Title nine.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I mean, in a way, yeah. We called it Code Nine so that, like, our parents wouldn't know what we were talking about.

[Cameron Caskey]

Putting the word code in your code is like having a secret file that says secret on it.

[Suzanne Lambert]

It's very David Blair.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's very David. So this is a great segue into a topic that was very important emotionally and spiritually to Mr. Tim Miller, which was. You have made the claim that I make all the time, by the way, correctly, that you were cool in high school. And Tim has some questions about that.

[Tim Miller]

Again, like I said, I was scrolling your TikTok. Your most recent talks were about you talking about how you were cool in high school and you haven't flopped and that there's a misnomer out there that all the cool kids in high school flopped, and that makes those of us who weren't cool in high school and who are late bloomers feel better about ourselves. So just maybe let us have that. But then several people pushed back on you, it seems like. And I have a pushback that's a little different from those people, though. And my pushback is. I don't believe you. But you were cool in high school. What? I don't believe you. I don't think any political influencers were cool in high school. I don't believe so.

[Suzanne Lambert]

That is so funny. I mean, do you want me to list my credentials? I can.

[Tim Miller]

I would like to. Yeah. Yeah.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Made out. First girl to make out.

[Tim Miller]

That's cool.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Threw a lot of parties. Had sex. Real sex, not, not frauding. I actually. My friend group, we called ourselves the ABCs, which stood for a bitch click. And when we would walk into parties, we would make someone play ABC by Jackson 5.

[Tim Miller]

Look.

[Cameron Caskey]

Look at us. The. The Gen Z show where we talk about the Jackson 5 and Nancy Drew.

[Tim Miller]

You had me until the Jackson 5. I was like, this does. I was like, it does sound like she was cool, actually. And then, I don't know. You couldn't have come up with a better song. What. How old are you? How. What year were you in high school?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I graduated 2010.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, so you couldn't have had, like, I don't know, Kesha or something? Like, who Was cool in 20?

[Suzanne Lambert]

ABC was our name. So it was like it was like the announcement that we were there.

[Cameron Caskey]

Tim, did you have. You've never pushed back on me explaining how awesome I was in high school, do you?

[Tim Miller]

It's obvious. Cameron, I'm sorry, I wish I could, I wish I could push back, but I've got a lot of things to pick on you about.

[Cameron Caskey]

Dude, I'm sorry. Do uncool kids in high school manage to get their classmates to get. Oh, I get. Oh, maybe some uncool kids from my high school did that. Never mind. But you know, I started it. I was able to get a large group of young people together in my household.

[Tim Miller]

All I'm saying is because I aspired to be cool in high school and want to surround myself with people that were cool in high school, there's a reason that I did not recruit for my co host, soon to be former second vice chair of the dnc. And I do think it's important that we make clear that we are discussing the second vice chair of the dnc, not the one that received the most votes for vice chair.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, the one who received the most votes has gone on to make a selfie video talking about how he received the most votes, which we need to know.

[Tim Miller]

People aren't going to even know what we're talking about. Shout out to you, Malcolm Kenyatta, what else did we have for you? Okay, no, this was the actual reason we brought up cool kids stuff. Not because Cameron wanted to reiterate that he was the cool March for our lives kid. It's like great, Cameron, you were the cool school shooting survivor. Awesome, awesome man. We get it. Okay, that's been established. What I wanted to ask you about was the Democrats content creation is a little rough, you know, and I just, I don't really know what to do. Like if you had folks call you, it's like the thing is that you can't really teach cool, you know, and if all of the Democratic candidates were nerds in high school, there's really no hope to them putting out like really like Vibey Tiktoks. So maybe they should lean into their nerdiness. Maybe they should do other stuff. I don't know. What advice would you have if I don't know, say Josh Shapiro or Tim Walsh, two people that are very uncool called you and were like, what should we do?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, I think Tim Walls is super cool.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, you would. But okay, let's put those two aside then. Just generic Democratic person.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I'm obsessed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I firstly, I agree, like I don't think People should try to be cool if they're not. I do think there are like, very cool, cool Democrats. I think Cory Booker is very cool. He's probably the best interview I've ever done. Such an easy, cool guy to talk to.

[Cameron Caskey]

Cory Booker is cool. I agreed with you on the Tim Walls thing, but Cory Booker I like.

[Suzanne Lambert]

What's cool about Cory Booker? He's tall, he's athletic, he does cool shit.

[Tim Miller]

He dated black.

[Cameron Caskey]

There's two cool things about Cory Booker. He publicly dated a Jedi. And he did. He spoke for a thousand hours in three.

[Tim Miller]

He had blocked me on Twitter for 13 years, which is a sign of good judgment.

[Cameron Caskey]

Has he unblocked you since he unblocked me?

[Tim Miller]

I got him to unblock me live on the adult podcast a couple weeks ago.

[Suzanne Lambert]

What?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Are there any other notable members of the United States government who still had blocked?

[Tim Miller]

I mean, several Republicans, but no, he was the only prominent Democrat who still had me blocked from my Republican days. Okay, so anyway, Cory Booker's cool. Ish. So what advice do you give them?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Okay, so let me go back. Yeah, so if you're cool, absolutely. Like, do front facing content, lean into it. Work more with creators. If you're not, like, lean into that as well. Like, I don't think we need. I think we can say, yeah, we're kind of annoying and dorky and insufferable over here. I get it. But like, they're evil as shit. So come hang out with like the dorky people. And also, I don't think your political party should be your friend group and where you find your sense of community and belonging the way that they're doing with the red hats. Like, I don't think your political party needs to be that thing. So actually maybe look at your political party as the way that you vote and not the way that like you worship a superhero. Because I find that really strange. That didn't really answer your question.

[Tim Miller]

I agree with the point though. I don't know. Do you have, I mean, you've kind of. You've sort of leveled up to a space where I'm sure that people that, you know, the Chinese are feeding you to like non resist libs. So like, what kind of feedback are you getting, like, in your comments from like regular people, I'm sure. Like, guys who think that you're hot that aren't necessarily resistant.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Not enough boys don't message me as much as I wish they would. It's kind of annoying.

[Tim Miller]

Who is messaging you then?

[Suzanne Lambert]

So I do get comments from a lot of like otherwise apolitical people. People and conservatives. A lot of conservatives follow me. I think I know how to talk to conservatives. I think conservatives, hot take in general, have a better sense of humor in certain ways. They'll, they'll let more shit slide. My conservative audiences are always way more fun than my uptight ass DC audiences. They're such a bore sometimes.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I think that there's a distinction to be made between conservatives and conservatives in office because conservatives in office will see somebody not wear a suit to a, to a meeting because they're in the middle of a war. And, and then, and then it's like they heard the most offensive thing they've ever heard. But I agree. I think your average conservative is a little bit looser and more accepting to.

[Tim Miller]

That, which is such a switch from my era, you know, like, it just really is. It's like a total switch. I don't know what happened. I think it was a post Obama, maybe the Democrats felt like they had won everything and tried to push too far. I really can't put my finger on it because when I was growing up, it was, it was the conservatives that were the scolds. I hate to give them this talking point because like, this could be a talking point on fucking Charlie Kirk's podcast, but it just is what it is. Like that the scolding in like the 90s and the 2000s was like, you know, don't be gay. Like, don't, don't do that. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot of finger wagging from the religious right and that has kind of flipped and I don't really know why.

[Suzanne Lambert]

In a sense. Yeah, so a lot of my comments are like, I'm conservative, but this is funny. Like that's a lot of the comments I get from conservatives. Or I think I, you know, I share a lot of first hand experiences. Like I talk about my abortion really openly. I talk about the fact that I used to be anti choice and then I got pregnant and then I wasn't anti choice anymore. Like, I try to lay that all out there because I was never really hearing those kinds of stories, you know, when I was in Ruby Red, you know, Kennesaw, Georgia, which is now purple, which is insane.

[Cameron Caskey]

Question for you, Suzanne. What is your direct message? I guess as quickly and as, as to the point as you can make it. What, what is your message to the young men who are convinced that they're anti abortion? Because that's what their favorite conservative podcaster is saying, but are probably going to learn when they get somebody pregnant that they might have made the wrong call. What would you say to them?

[Suzanne Lambert]

That pregnancy result will change your entire life. You will never know a feeling more horrifying than a result on a pregnancy test that you don't want. Trust me, you want the option available to you. And I never thought that I did. And I went to pro life events and all the shit. All of that changes the moment you see that result and you're like, oh, never mind. Like, immediately, like, it immediately dissipated. You want the option. You don't want kids with that random girl you met at a bachelor party in Denver. Like, I promise you that you don't.

[Tim Miller]

Did this happen in Denver? Was it. Was it just because my hat says Denver? Why did you pull Denver? I just. I'm just wondering if this happened in, like, little 10. Like little 10 at a, you know, one of my old watering holes.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I literally. The reason I moved to D.C. was I met a boy in New Orleans on a bachelor. On a bachelorette party.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, really?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Shout out to you.

[Tim Miller]

Where were you? Like Pat O's or, you know, we're just on Bourbon street doing the deal. Were you like, on French?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Nowhere good. Nowhere. I should.

[Cameron Caskey]

I love Denver and I know that I love Denver because I spent most of my life in Florida. And therefore being somewhere that elevated with that little oxygen normally is a bit of a turnoff for me. And I've only ever been to Denver to multiple times visit Columbine and Aurora. And the fact that I associate the city exclusively with talking to school shooting, mass shooting survivors. And I still think it's lit. I mean, that. That speaks volumes. But, yeah, that's. That's a great message. And I feel like that's sort of the thing that a lot of young men, like, think that they're ready to push back on until again, I have a friend who's conservative who is pro abortion, and his conservative take on being pro abortion is probably the most vile pro abortion take I've ever heard, which is, man, you know, some kids just shouldn't be born. And I'm like, okay, look, if this makes you pro. If this makes you pro choice.

[Suzanne Lambert]

No, I have a joke about that. I say I've had an abortion. And I pause and I go, it's okay. I was a girl.

[Cameron Caskey]

And that's your. And that's your liberal comment.

[Tim Miller]

Now I'm the scolding. You've turned me into the scolding lib. Suzanne, bad joke.

[Suzanne Lambert]

So mad at that joke. And I'm like, what Just pretend she would have, like, grown up and wanted bodily autonomy or, like, she would have taken out student loans because, like, she.

[Cameron Caskey]

Probably would dyed her hair blue.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Go.

[Tim Miller]

So right now, watching my pearls really hard right now at that joke.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, mine are ready. They're always ready to be clutched. Yeah, Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes to get him there.

[Tim Miller]

We have Boomer Mailbag, and I have an annoying Sam Altman story I want to talk to you about. But are there any other, like, political hot takes you have for us? Is there anything, like, you know, if you're looking at Trump World, you got anything you want to just get on your soapbox for a second about something?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I think. I think Democrats need to stop being so annoying. And I think if they stop being so annoying, more people will come over. But I don't think they'll do that until we can shut up a little bit and stop being hall monitors. Because let's.

[Tim Miller]

Let's test who's annoying for you. Like, is Pete annoying? Do you find Pete annoying?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Funny you say that. No, but I. I can see why people wouldn't like him on the right. He kind of, you know, Harvard Rhodes scholar. Of all the politicians I've interacted with, he was the least warm.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, he's too locked in, man. He's. He's cooking too hard to be warm.

[Suzanne Lambert]

He's locked in. So I don't fault it, but he didn't have that congenial. Going back to my favorite.

[Tim Miller]

What about Elizabeth Warren? Do you feel her annoying? I'm just trying to figure out what. I'm just trying to define annoying in human form for you.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I. I would think she was annoying if I was on the right, and I did think she was annoying. I don't. And I don't care for Nancy Pelosi that much. I don't like the Clintons. I understand why people don't like them. Like, I.

[Tim Miller]

You're just not into women, basically.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I hate women. You heard me first. I did say that. I did make that awful joke that you scolded me for. That was so inappropriate of me. Yeah, what's a. What's a dude that I don't like? Why can't I think of a single man?

[Cameron Caskey]

It's not even a matter of who you do and don't like. It's just a matter of who is and is not annoying. Like, there are plenty of politicians who I like, who. I see their content and I want. I like, hate, watch it. Even though I support this politician, if I were in their district, I Vote for them.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, at least you watch it. That's so nice that you watch their content.

[Tim Miller]

That's a man. That's annoying. Jamal Bowman. There we go. He's very.

[Cameron Caskey]

I want. I want to. Yes. And something that Suzanne said really quick, and it was something she said a bit ago, but I haven't. You know, just before Boomer Mailbag. I want to. Yes. And it. By bringing back one of my favorite segments from the FY pod, something I love to do here. This is our segment. Gen Z dating advice. I would like to offer some advice to young men who are trying to figure out how to pick up chicks. And then, Suzanne, I want you to tell me if you think I've got the right idea.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Okay. I love this. Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Gen Z Dating advice for young men. Be true to yourself. Just be you. Suzanne was talking about how the nerdy politicians who are trying to look cool while they're making content should maybe lean into being nerds a little bit. And they should maybe accept that that's who they are and they'll come off a little better. And that's what you young men should think about talking to women. Some of the dudes I know who pull the absolute hottest women, some of the dudes I know who make girls go crazy are the biggest dweebs. So how do they make it? They know who they are and they don't try to be somebody else. The least cool you can look is when you are trying to look cooler than you are.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Be who you are. Wear it like armor, and it could never be used to hurt you. That's a Game of Thrones quote. And still, you know, I've done well for myself and just accept it. And don't try to be that mean jerk guy that you think is the one who gets to pull the chicks at the end of the day. You know, so many not cool guys think that being that baller Chad is what's going to get them the girl at the end of the day. And it's no. The reason the baller Chad is able to pull is because he knows who he is and he's being who he is. So be true to yourself. It's very charming and it disarms people, and people really like it. Suzanne, do you think I've got the right idea?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I totally agree. And I would also say, like, don't be afraid of looking uncool, too. Like, I think people who just fully lean in to who they are is so attractive. And the whole narrative that nice guys finish last is not. Is not true. All of my guy friends who I would consider kind of dorky, you know, whatever, have the hottest, you know, partners, they're doing well financially, they're doing well in their jobs. Like nice guys finish eventually. It might not be first. It might be like the hot.

[Cameron Caskey]

Listen, I'm a nice guy and I've been told that I finished too quickly.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Cameron, we've talked about so much on this. I love that. No, but I know. I completely agree. And also, like, it's so easy to pull, to pull and impress women. Say hello, initiate a conversation, ask them questions. Like, you don't have to even have this very clever super cool banter. Like literally just be nice. Women like that and they respond to it. And if they don't respond to it, then they're not your person. Fuck them. If they don't like people being mean to them or being nice to them, then they're not for you and move on, it's fine.

[Tim Miller]

Oh yeah, we're going to tease the AI Sam Altman is annoying conversation for next week because I like. I think next week's guest is going to be more. Well, I guess I'll ask you. Are you a ChatGPT power user?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Suzanne, I've been asking ChatGPT some really embarrassing questions this week.

[Tim Miller]

Yes, let's hear about that. Actually, we will stick on this for a second.

[Cameron Caskey]

I know a guy who says that he uses CHAT GBT for therapy and I said, I don't think you should do that.

[Suzanne Lambert]

It's kind of what I've been doing. Like, you know, I've been asking a lot of questions about attachment styles and how different attachment styles can work better together. Why is this man ghosting me? Etc. Very, very.

[Tim Miller]

This is the. Well, I guess we're not gonna wait till next week because this was the thing that made me feel old and astonished me. That fucking cyborg Sam Altman, who. It's just like I'm quite concerned that the future of society is going to be in this man's hands as the whatever CEO of OpenAI that does ChatGPT, he said that people in my demo, my age Demo, we use ChatGPT as a Google replacement. That's true. I do that. And that folks in your demo use it as like a life coach. And that's true. This is true for you, apparently. I find that insane.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, I don't. I can't even believe I'm in Bennegan out loud. I think I still have a few margaritas in my system, honestly. But yeah, no, I mean, it's like instead of annoyingly, persistently texting your friend, you can just text chatgpt and then no one knows how pathetic you are unless you announce it on a podcast.

[Tim Miller]

I would just recommend to the youth listening human contact, like find a trusted friend, you know, bounce stuff off of. That's something that we did back in my day. You know, I had a, I had a gal pal and if I was having a bad day, I give her a call and I'd vent. That's a good idea. That's just something to consider. Like a human, like asking a human for some emotional support.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Okay, I'll call you instead next time you can.

[Tim Miller]

I love talking about feelings. So if anybody has feelings they want to share with me, I'm happy to do it. Cameron, what were you going to say?

[Cameron Caskey]

Comment your feelings down below.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, or life advice. I'll do life advice if you want.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't, I don't use CHAT GBT because when I did use chatgpt, it didn't take me long to realize that it's wrong about all the time. I was reading a book called the Devil's Chessboard about Alan Dulles and the rise of the CIA as America's kind of secret government. And I was making. And it was a very dense book that covered a lot of modern American history. So I was using ChatGPT as a guide to remind me about certain things when they would come up in the book. And then I googled to verify and I looked at articles from reputable sources and ChatGPT was just fucking gaslighting me. And I was using ChatGPT to help me track the fantasy series I was reading, which was also very dense. Like what was the first book that this character was introduced in? And the whole thing is like ChatGPT aggregates information that's already online and these books have been around for decades and have thousands of fans blogging about them and posting. So it's not some abstract thing that I'm asking ChatGPT to do. I'm asking it to pull information from the Internet and then I go to verify that information and within the first three things I see on Google, they're wrong. So I don't use, and I certainly don't use it for fucking life advice. I have a 40 year old political strategist who I text for life advice and honestly, I get the rest of it live on the show from Tim.

[Tim Miller]

I got to see that four year old political strategist last week and he was complaining to me about all the times you're asking him for life advice. And I was just like, you're a saint. Like, thank God you do that. And that is so nice that we have that human. You want to have a human that's annoyed by you in your life. That's really important. That's an important part of the experience.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I'm sure ChatGPT is wrong often, but I feel like it's correct more frequently than my mentally ill alcoholic friends. So I'm still gonna keep asking, where.

[Tim Miller]

Were you last night? What were you doing that you were so. You're so hungover.

[Suzanne Lambert]

I'm not telling you who I was with, but I.

[Tim Miller]

Was it a maga? Was it a date?

[Suzanne Lambert]

No, no, no, no, no. It was not a date.

[Cameron Caskey]

Was it a date with a maga?

[Suzanne Lambert]

It was not a date with a maga. It was not a date. I said, I want to get into trouble. Literally the text was, I want to get into some trouble. And I was like, who would be up for some trouble? Who would be up for trouble at midnight on a Tuesday? Republicans. Liberals are, like, doing their full moon circles and shit. They're not going to go out at midnight on Tuesday.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I'm satisfied with this chat GPT conversation, although I want to bring it back up next week because the only notes I took for this episode are on ChatGPT being used in schools.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, great. Tara, our guest next week will be great on that topic. So we'll do more AI next week. All right, Boomer mailbag. Tony's a boomer. She writes this. What's with the Democrats new fondness for F bombs? Beto Pete. Andrew Schultz. Oh, no. Pete on Andrew Schultz. Tim cusses a lot. I think the majority of Americans have an aversion to swearing.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Oh, sorry.

[Tim Miller]

Tim cusses too much. Cam, how does Gen Z respond to swearing on the whole? Is this appealing to them?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, first of all, there are a lot of people who comment in the Bulwark comment section. Like, you know, Cameron, people would take you more seriously if you used less F bombs. And I'm like, girl, I'm coming on the show and telling stories about me on. On allegedly LSD when I was 18 and had just run a multimillion dollar nonprofit. Like, do you think I come on fypod to be taken seriously by people? Second of all, I think that people in my generation. Suzanne, former conservative. You can sort of hear it when she says cussing. I feel like cussing is a really conservative way to put it. I feel like we really don't care and I think that Democrats cursing is just fine because that's how people talk sometimes. It comes off a little performative. It comes off a little bit like they're trying to sound like how people talk. But in general, it's like, Tony got a lot of respect for you. I appreciate your respect for decorum. I don't think this is the hill to die on.

[Tim Miller]

Suzanne.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah, I. I think don't. Don't sound like if you ask chat GPT how people talk and how people cuss, but I think if it's authentic and it's meeting the moment and mirroring their genuine frustration or emotions on a topic, it's not that big of a deal. I also understand why people don't like cussing. If I say the F word in front of my mom, I get a slap on the hand. Like, I get it. But still. Oh, yeah, she. I have to apologize. I can't even say oh, my God. I have to say, oh, my gosh. If you say oh, my God in front of my mom, she'll go, gosh.

[Tim Miller]

That is so cute. So you apologize to your mother Because I cuss way less around my. With my mother.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Suzanne Lambert]

So I get why they don't like cuss. I get why they don't like the cussing. But I think that if that's how people actually really talk, I think Cameron.

[Tim Miller]

Just roll his eyes at me, put the nice.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I was. I was diverting my eyes somewhere else because I'm just thinking about that. I'm like, I am so fucking vile with my mother. I have the best relationship with my mom. I couldn't have a better mom. And we're like BFFs. I talk to her pretty much every single day. And I had texted my mom a picture that my friend made of me as a woman.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, yeah, you looked hot.

[Cameron Caskey]

I know. And I said, smash or pass? And my mom goes, I would have to pass, as that is my son.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Such a valid response.

[Cameron Caskey]

And I was like, why are you misgendering, female?

[Suzanne Lambert]

Cameron, your mom's canceled Immediately.

[Tim Miller]

Get your pronouns right. Okay, Suzanne, we'll close with an earnest question. We've covered this question before, but I want to re up it because last week on the Grown Up Pod, I spoke to Leah and Ezra, who run Indivisible, which is organizing all the protests, the hands off protests, et cetera. They have another round of protests coming up. No Kings protest, June 14. Cameron said he hadn't heard of the last round. So I just want to make sure he'd heard of that. Right now he might not be listening to me, but June 14, Cameron, no kings, Suzanne. And I want to get to Suzanne's question because I asked Suzanne's question to the organizers of the protests and they were great and cute and it's so cute that it's this married couple that's organizing all of this. And I find it very cute. But then I went and they had a lot of very engaging and interesting answers. When I asked them the same question as Suzanne, their answer was unsatisfying. So I'm wondering if you guys have an answer, which is this, why don't Gen Z people show up to the protests? Where I live it's mostly boomers with some Gen X. And that is just true. If you look at these protests, it's a pretty blue haired crowd out there putting aside the Gaza protests. Why?

[Suzanne Lambert]

I mean, I would say like Gen Z has a hella social anxiety. Like genuinely that's, I feel like that's why like in general, I think Gen Z gets together less frequently in person than like other, other generations. And I also think there's a lot of trauma, rightfully with younger people and large crowds and things like that. I don't know if that's a satisfying answer.

[Tim Miller]

You think what about, what about my theory that they've all y' all have like Trump's just been around Trump's life. He's kind of normal, he's bad, you don't like him. But it's not like a thing that worth protesting about. It's kind of like protesting potholes or some other annoying thing that you've just gotten used to.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, you see, like we grew up with these marches like Black Lives Matter and Women's March and March for Our Lives. Thanks very much. And racism is more pervasive than ever. Women's rights are more under attack than they've been in a very long time. And really pretty much nothing has happened about the guns except for some great local laws being passed. So I think that we've been exhausted from protest because we've just seen protest after protest not lead to the meaningful change that we want. And I also think that older people, including many great people in our audience who showed up to protest, I think older people are so much more familiar with an America that is less vile. Whereas, you know, we came of age during the Trump years, so this vile shit just feels so much more like the norm to us. And the last thing I'll say is like certain stuff. You mentioned the Gaza protests. It's like the Gaza protests went the way they did because we had a president who for the most part respected the right to protest and the right to free speech. And. And even then the NYPD was roughing up Columbia kids because, like, someone broke a window in the library where I was doing drugs when I was 18, so. Or allegedly doing drugs when I was 18. Excuse the mix up, but I think there's just this mixture of we're exhausted, a lot of people in Gen Z don't have the time or resources to do stuff like that. And also, like, you know, if I were a student at a university right now, I would be scared of getting disappeared by ice.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Yeah. And if I can add, I think there's also maybe a misconception of how protests usually go. Like, I. My vision of a town hall, for example. I went to my first town hall over the weekend with Chris Murphy and Maxwell Frost down in Sarasota, and I. I kind of thought it would just be a lot of angry shouting and that's not something I would normally want to be a part of. Like, that's not the vibe I want to surround myself with. And it wasn't like that at all. It was. It was a lot of people being angry about the same things, but in turn, there was a lot of community and camaraderie and support. So I think maybe if people understood not every protest is people just being mad sometimes. You can also have lots of positive feelings when you're uniting with people who believe in the same things that you do. Like, it's actually, I left feeling very empowered, very encouraged, like very fired up.

[Cameron Caskey]

And with that, all I can say is at these protests, stop fucking dancing. Suzanne, you have been incredible. Thank you so much.

[Suzanne Lambert]

Thank you.

[Tim Miller]

So incredible. Good to meet you.

[Cameron Caskey]

Thanks everybody for listening. And tune back in Monday where we're going to be getting into all the great stuff. Sam.