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- [00:00]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
My dad asked me over the summer to make like a little Trump commercial.
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Tim Miller
Oh, wow.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Trump, like tweeted it at one point and it was just like a quick stop motion of Trump putting like Hillary in handcuffs and like throwing her in jail and being like, don't vote for crooked Hillary.
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Tim Miller
I cannot believe you just shared that. And I'm so happy you did. It's in The Spirit of FYpod, which is about radical candor. We've all made our mistakes in life. Hey, everybody. I'm Tim Miller.
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Cameron Caskey
I'm Cameron Caskey. And this week we are joined by one of my very best friends in this world, Mr. Anthony Scaramucci Jr. Mooch, man, how you doing?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
What's up, guys? Thank you guys for having me. Cameron. Yes. You are my best friend ever. Tim, you are my new best friend. So it's nice to meet you.
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Tim Miller
We're going to see if that holds. I'm very excited to meet you. I love your energy right now. Like, I'm. The way I'm picturing this, you're like also like, you have a three screen going where you're talking to us in one screen and the other two screens you're playing a video game in one and then you have maybe some hentai on the other one.
- [01:02]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Constantly got hentai somewhere.
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Tim Miller
Is that what's happening? Or do you have a triple screen right now?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I'm sad to disappoint you, but I only got one screen. But as you can see, there actually is a screen over there.
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Tim Miller
Oh yeah.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
And a screen over there.
- [01:15]
Tim Miller
So this is real? This is real.
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Cameron Caskey
What's right behind you, Mooch?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
All right, so this is like from. This is actually a custom painting I commissioned. So. So it's one of one.
- [01:27]
Tim Miller
Wow.
- [01:28]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
It's from the show Naruto. It's my favorite frame still image from the show. It's the main villain or one of the main villains.
- [01:36]
Tim Miller
Is that a Japanese program?
- [01:38]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, it's when we first reveal him and he says his plan is to conquer the world.
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Cameron Caskey
Wait, I'm sorry, Mooch.
- [01:44]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
You might.
- [01:44]
Cameron Caskey
You might have a misunderstanding. When I said what's right behind you, I meant the Anime Girlfriend pillow.
- [01:49]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, this is. This is called a wafu pillow. That's what they call it if you wanted to purchase one yourself.
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Tim Miller
Is there a hole in it?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Keeps you warm at night. And it's actually. This is for. I'm actually sitting on my. My pull out couch in my office. And my. So this is. This pillow is actually for my guests. I put it in the bed right well, I'm.
- [02:10]
Tim Miller
I do like you better than your dad. I'm excited to meet you. I think folks are probably familiar with Anthony Scaramucci Senior, the Mooch who worked for Donald Trump for 12 days. But before we, like, go deep on your. In your padre, like, tell us what your. What your life is. Are you just kind of a Nepo baby, just kind of hangs out and plays video games, or do you have. Do you have aspirations of your own?
- [02:30]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I mean, that would be great, but I'm a film. I'm a filmmaker, so I never went to school for it or anything. But as a kid, I did Lego stop motions. So I used to have a YouTube channel, Lego Dude 17. And I used to, literally all night and day, used to make Lego stop motions and learned everything about filmmaking from that. And if you're a kid out there that wants to learn filmmaking, go make a stop motion. Because you learn every element of filmmaking. You are the actors, you are the cameraman. You have to have consistent lighting. You could do the voice acting, do the sound design, everything, and the production design. And from there, in high school, I started doing rap music videos and just shooting on myself and white.
- [03:17]
Tim Miller
Rapping?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, a little. I wasn't rapping. I was filming the rappers.
- [03:21]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, no, no.
- [03:23]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Mooch was like.
- [03:24]
Cameron Caskey
Mooch was.
- [03:24]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I can rap if you want. If you want.
- [03:26]
Cameron Caskey
Mooch was directing. Mooch was directing these really big music videos for very, very popular rappers so much in such an interesting way. I would text him, what are you doing today? And he would just be on. On set of this huge video with a rapper that even I had heard of. And if I've heard of a rapper, that means they're really popular.
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Tim Miller
Like what? A.S.A.P. rocky, Roddy, Rich, Drake, like, did something. Lil Wayne, Lil Wheezy.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah. Did something for Justin Bieber once and like. And then like Juice World when he was around and like, Trippy Redd. And so a bunch like, oh, yeah, that is legit. Yeah.
- [04:04]
Cameron Caskey
And let's be clear.
- [04:05]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
These aren't like Lil Durk fucking on.
- [04:07]
Tim Miller
And on and on and on.
- [04:08]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I've done, like over a hundred music videos in la.
- [04:11]
Cameron Caskey
And these aren't just like someone pointing a camera at somebody while they're walking down the street and, like, mouthing the lyrics there. These are huge productions with a ton of people on set. Extras, pas. I mean, a very crazy thing to manage. And having been on one of those sets, I was very shocked that Mooch, one of my friends, who I personally know to be a huge fucking moron, was Able to manage this, like, movie.
- [04:39]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, no, we like to have a duality of some intelligence mixed with some foolishness. But, you know, you know, my dad. And it's just kind of funny, something I, like, bring up as a joke because, like, my sister went to Brown University and my brother went to Stanford, and I dropped out of Sacred Heart University after my freshman year and went and smoked some weed with some rappers. So definitely drove my dad nuts.
- [05:01]
Tim Miller
It's a real royal Tenenbaum type situation. An Italian Tenenbaum family.
- [05:06]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Miller
All right, well, I want to learn more about the rap world because this is. This is kind of an area where Democrats are struggling. You know, I'm pretty sure, like, every person that you movied would have voted for Barack Obama, and then, like, 30% of them ended up voting for Trump. So I'm a little bit. I'm pretty concerned about that trajectory. So I want to get your take on that world. But first, we do have to talk about your dad. Do you want to give your thoughts on his time in the Trump administration first or do you want to hear mine? Would you like to hear mine first?
- [05:37]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Let's hear yours first.
- [05:39]
Tim Miller
You said your dad gave me best wishes before we got on, which I appreciate, and I sent back to him. He didn't. He must have mentioned we did get in a little tiff during the Jeb campaign. How old were you during the job campaign? Were you around?
- [05:50]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yes, I was. That was 2018. Right. So I was a freshman in college.
- [05:56]
Tim Miller
Okay, so you're smoking weed, A Sacred Heart, your dad. You probably was.
- [06:00]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I played Divisional in the Cross, and they drug tested me, so I didn't.
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Tim Miller
Okay, you probably don't remember this then or probably couldn't access it, but your father at the time had, like, a public access television economic show that aired at like 3am on Sunday nights on select PBS networks across the country. I forget what it was called. Yes, the Mooch Report or something. Anyhow, who you're talking about, Jeff, things are going real bad for Jeb. Your dad had supported us, been a donor. I think we're like the fourth candidate he supported, actually. But I was. I was happy he landed on us after all the other ones dropped out, that he went for first. And, you know, he's a donor and he's calling me and he's like, hey, man, like, I got the show and like, a Jeb should come on. Like, we'll just. It'll help puff him up. It's towards the end of the campaign. We're losing. We're getting our ass kicked. We're like, we're in last place. Donald Trump is like, smearing our face and shit and making fun of Jeb's wife and stuff. So, you know, it's a tough time for me as the PR flack, and I was like, all right, sure. And so we happen to be in New York, you know, we do a couple real television shows that have audiences, and then we do your dad's public access show at the end, like, late at night, we get on there and your dad is like, jeb, bro, why are you getting your ass kicked? Like, why are you losing? The polls suck. I'm gonna read you the latest poll. You got 3%. You got 4%. Why did you fuck up that interview with Megyn Kelly? And the interview ends, and I was like, anthony, what in the was that? I was like, you're not Tim Russert. Like, this was a favor. This is like a weekend economic show. You were supposed to be like, jeb, why are you so smart? This was like a. This was a puff up interview. And Jeb is mad at me for making him do it. It's late at night, and. And Anthony did not appreciate my feedback. Your dad did not. So we had kind of a heated tiff in the lobby, after which I didn't respond to his phone calls for a little while. And, you know, now we're both middle level podcast hosts who are friendly again, so it's fine. In the interim. I did feel like his choice to go be Donald Trump's communications director was maybe not the route I would have gone. So I think that was kind of another. A second era, a second tiff we had over that. So I don't know. We've kind of. He's like, everybody that lands in the right place, I want to give grace to. We've landed in the right place. I mean, and he. And he did it pretty fast. You know, he was only in there, what, two minutes or so?
- [08:31]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [08:32]
Tim Miller
What are the vibes like that? What are the vibes like for you when he was just kind of hanging out, talking about how great of a football thrower Donald Trump was? We should have pulled up the video of that when he was like, man, Trump could throw a 50 yard. I've never seen anybody do it. It's like Peyton Manning out there. He had a golden arm. Yeah, good. We should have pulled up some of those.
- [08:52]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
So actually, correction, when I said earlier, it was 2016, so I was a junior in high school. I actually remember, like, vine was still a thing, and I was, like, watching Vines, you're vining memes of, like, Jeb Bush and, like, looking at him with my dad, I just have a memory of that. But, yeah, for me, I kind of, like, always had, like, I love my dad. I keep up with all his shenanigans, and. But I kind of, like, enjoyed separating myself mentally as far away as possible from the whole thing. You know what I mean? Like, let me just make my little videos and not worry about this, because politics, to me, is, like, a little. Especially at that age. I'm not even old enough to vote at that age. I was, like. Just seemed, like, a. Like, a little scary to, like, be fully, fully involved in, you know? So I was kind of like, if.
- [09:41]
Tim Miller
Your mom was a porn star, I guess, like, you wouldn't really be watching the videos, probably compartmentalizing that part of your life.
- [09:49]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
But I don't know. I just. Of course you got to support your dad no matter, you know, and definitely thought the whole Trump thing was ridiculous. And I definitely knew Trump was gonna win just because, like, seeing the younger people at that time, like, shifting towards him for some reason, you know, especially, like, the college kids and the kid, like, the young voters, I just felt like he had some sort of, like, gravitational pull to him. And he's been. I feel like he's also been, like, campaigning for a long time. You could look at, like, the roast of Donald Trump from, like. I forget what year it was, but at the end of the roast of Donald Trump, like, 10 years before he campaigned, he's like, I'm gonna run for president, you know?
- [10:28]
Cameron Caskey
And can I just say, it must have been so weird for you, Mooch. I mean, it must have been really weird having a parent who's at the White House. That sounds weird, but you know what else must have been weird was being in our group chat, um, while I was texting everybody about how Kamala Harris was going to win. And everybody else in the group chat was like, is Cam serious? Like, does he seriously think she's going to win? And I'm. I'm, like, sending you guys articles and shit. Like, no, no, no, no. Here's how she's actually ahead. For those of you who didn't listen to the episode where I mentioned this, Mooch and I are in a group chat called Infinity Gang, very lovingly titled. And who else is in there? It's us. A modern Orthodox Jewish young man who played Batman on television for five years. Tall French string bean named Jonah who makes the girls go crazy. And then two handsome Blonde South African, French, British guys who. One of whom was on team 10, which was Jake Paul's content house, and was living with Jake Paul for a little bit. And that's just our. That's. That's just our little ragtag group. And in Infinity Gang, I was definitely explaining pretty enthusiastically how Kamala Harris was going to win, but I. This kind of serves as a segue into one of my favorite stories with me and Mooch was sort of the event that brought Infinity Gang together. And we've been together for, like, seven years now as a brotherhood. We. We see each other everywhere. We spend time together.
- [11:54]
Tim Miller
Do you have a tattoos together or, like, is it a blood.
- [11:57]
Cameron Caskey
Mooch has an infinity tattoo. Yeah, that's.
- [12:00]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
My production company is Infinity Studios.
- [12:03]
Cameron Caskey
It's called Infinity Studios, by the way, because Mooch would be writing his name down in his notebook in high school, and the O and the O next to each other looked like an infinity sign. And that became our collective entire personality. But anyway, Infinity Gang is a great group of young men. We take care of each other. We, you know, watch movies together. We say I love you at the end of phone calls like real men who aren't fucking pussies. And, you know, we really stood the test of time. But Infinity Gang really came together at Anthony Scaramucci Seniors Conference in Las Vegas. Salt, run by SkyBridge, the money fund, or whatever the it's called. And SALT was where, you know, Mooch myself. First time ever.
- [12:47]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Going to Salt, too, is that time.
- [12:49]
Cameron Caskey
That was your first time?
- [12:50]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, because it would always be. I don't know, my. I played lacrosse growing up, and it would always be during, like, my lacrosse, so I couldn't go.
- [12:59]
Cameron Caskey
Well, it was interesting. It was like this speaker list of politicians and business leaders and different people. And then I was one of the speakers that year, and I was on a panel with Mr. Charlie Kirk, who is now on some sort of, like, military board that Trump appointed him to. But Charlie, in the earlier days of his grift, ended up on a panel with me that Mooch was at. Mark Cuban was in the first row, weirdly not looking at his phone somehow. Mark Cuban, the.
- [13:30]
Tim Miller
Was it just you and Charlie? Was it a debate segment?
- [13:33]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
It was a debate, yeah. Cameron kicked his ass and we all cheered and went nuts for him. And there's. There's one thing Cameron did which I thought was interesting in that debate where Chart, the guy was ranting at him or whatever, and. And Cameron said one second, put his finger up, and he just chugged his water bottle and like crushed it. And we all cheered for him.
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Tim Miller
It was a good, kind of a classic case of winning the battle and losing the war, I guess with your debate.
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Cameron Caskey
It was a nice Charlie. It was a nice afternoon with Charlie. I made a point to at least twice call him handsome. I thought that that would be really funny because, you know, gentlemen like him get a little uncomfortable when you do something that's a little gay like that. Yeah. So we were talking about social media and the algorithm, and I said something along the lines of, I mean, look, algorithms determine what, what gets put in front of people. Mind you, this is in 2019, when conversations about the algorithm were not as in everybody's face. So, you know, a lot of the people who talk about the algorithm today didn't even really know what was going on with that at the time. But I was saying the algorithm will, you know, determine what goes in front of you based on what you're looking at. And handsome guys like you, Charlie, that content is going to be pushed because people want to see guys like you. And he just got weird after that. He didn't seem to like it. His face got a little red.
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Tim Miller
That's kind of a cursed moment because you ended up being right in a pretty bad way.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, I didn't.
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Tim Miller
Did want to see his face and his little gums.
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Cameron Caskey
People did want to see his face, I don't think, because he was handsome. I don't know.
- [15:07]
Tim Miller
He has a strange gum to tooth ratio, Charlie. Kirk, have you ever really taken a close look?
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Cameron Caskey
He has a strange face to head ratio. His face is so much smaller than his head.
- [15:17]
Tim Miller
He's much taller than you think. He's a very strange gun to tooth ratio.
- [15:21]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
But to bring it back. Sorry, go ahead.
- [15:23]
Tim Miller
No, you go.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I was just gonna say just to bring it back to like that time period of 2016 and I was like about to graduate high school and I just remember when Trump won and like the craziness. I mean, my dad was. Wasn't really like around much. My parents are also fucking divorced. I lived with my mom. But I just remember like paparazzi's were showing up at my mom's house, which isn't even my dad's house, just outside my house, taking pictures of me and my friends, like playing basketball or whatever. And like we had to like shoo them away.
- [15:53]
Tim Miller
Do you think that was cool or did you not like that?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I thought it was a little annoying. I mean, like, definitely didn't think it was cool because like, my mom was like a pissed about it. You know what I mean? So I was just trying to help her out, you know, calm her down.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, but was your mom anti Trump?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, super anti Trump. Thought it was stupid and ridiculous.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, point to mom.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah. And. And then, like, I just remember before Trump won, my dad invited me to go to D.C. with him for, like, a day or two or whatever. This happened a few times where he was. I would spend, like, a day with my dad. We'd go to flat DC or whatever, and he had a bunch of meetings or go and the news, and I would just kind of hang around, and I just have this one really funny memory. I was like, wow, this really shows, like, what D.C. is like, you know, I thought LA was bad. Just these people, I forgot who they were, but they were, like, talking to my dad about how amazing he is and how they wish him so well and how smart he is. And I was kind of hanging, like, a little further back, and my dad walked away. We're at some, like, dinner ball thing, and then they didn't know I was a son. And as soon as he walked away, like, I hate that guy. I can't wait to see him get eaten up alive by this place. I thought it was, like, so funny because I'm just like.
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Tim Miller
I also hate that about dc, and it's something I like about your dad. It's something you and your dad and I have in common, which is why we weren't built for that, which is. That's not, like, my style, you know, as evidenced by our. You like to stab in the front?
- [17:16]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Front stabbers.
- [17:17]
Tim Miller
You know, evidence of our fight at the Wayne's World Studios. You know, I wasn't, like, one for shit talking behind his back or anyone's back. What, so did you get to go to the White House during that, like, whirlwind two weeks?
- [17:29]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yes. So I went to his inauguration, and me and my brother were actually supposed to, like, stay a night in the White House, and then they, like, canceled it on us and, like, put us in, like, a hotel. It was so crazy. There's, like, riots in the street. I actually ended up getting, like, punched in the face just from, like, wearing a suit. Yeah. All right, so this is a long story. Me, I went to, like. I'm the only one in my family. I went to, like, boarding school for some reason. It was because my parents were getting a divorce when I was younger, and they.
- [17:55]
Tim Miller
I like how you keep doing a physical thing with your hands every time you say divorce.
- [18:00]
Cameron Caskey
That's the same reason I never had a Bar mitzvah was. My parents got divorced the year that I was supposed to have my bar mitzvah. So me taking Hebrew classes and everything, I was able to be like, you know what, guys? Here's what we're gonna do. You guys go ahead and get divorced, and I'm gonna go ahead and not do bar mitzvah classes.
- [18:17]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
In, like, a weird way, like, seeing, like, when you see, like, two politicians, like, let's say Kamala Harris and Trump, or, like, Joe Biden and Trump, like, shaking hands or hanging out, it's like, kind of like seeing your divorced parents hanging out in, like, a weird way. Yeah, it's like. But anyways, yeah, it was a crazy time. I forget where I was.
- [18:38]
Tim Miller
You're getting punched.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yes. So me and my friend Corbin that I went to boarding school with, he went to a boarding school called Episcopal Academy. That's, like, near D.C. and we just got, like, some sushi, you know, and we both were wearing suits because we went to some fucking whatever event, Trump bullshit. And we're walking. Can I curse on you?
- [18:58]
Tim Miller
Oh, yeah.
- [18:58]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Okay, great. And we're walking down the street, and we're gonna go meet up with his friends near, like, the. One of the monument, the Moshing monument. And we're like, oh, let's go down. Cut down the street. There's, like, all this commotion going on. There's a fucking car on fire. People are rioting. People are crazy. And because we're wearing suits, we immediately became targets.
- [19:19]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
And before you know it, we're getting fucking assaulted. And I got punched in the face by a dude wearing a gas mask. And antifa.
- [19:29]
Tim Miller
You got attacked by antifa?
- [19:31]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I got. And I remember on the. The police, like, the riot police, like, as my glasses flew off my face, and I was, like, trying to get my glasses and, like, try to gather myself. Like, I just got hit fucking. And I just remember as we were leaving the street, the riot team was, like, closing in on the street with the shields and everything, and we were just, like. Had so much adrenaline. It was. It was crazy.
- [19:55]
Tim Miller
But, yeah, I'm surprised. Did you tell your dad not to use the assault? I'm surprised he didn't use the assault.
- [20:00]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
As, like, a. Oh, my dad thought I was stupid. He was just like, why would you ever go outside?
- [20:06]
Tim Miller
Classic.
- [20:07]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I also remember watching that night because we were just walking around D.C. it was honestly really eye opening to, like, just remember that night, watching rioters take a trash can, throw it through the wall, like, throw it through the window of a McDonald's. And proceed to go into the McDonald's and just beat the shit out of everyone. Like, in the McDonald's house? Like, what. What is going on?
- [20:26]
Tim Miller
Did you get to go to the White House then? Or you got canceled? You didn't get to sleep there?
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Because I took a dump in the White House, which I was proud of.
- [20:35]
Tim Miller
And, like, in Sean Spicer's private bathroom.
- [20:38]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
On my way back from the bathroom, because we had, like, a lunch in the White House some. And on the way back from the bathroom, I was, like, snooping around. I was like, oh, let me see what's in this door. Got in trouble. They're like, can't do that. And then. Yeah.
- [20:50]
Tim Miller
Was it like Kelly and Conway's toilet as a specific person, you took a dump on their toilet? We could shout out. We could just make it up if not.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I went. I went to Conway's office and took a dump right there.
- [21:04]
Tim Miller
Powder room.
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Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah. I used his bidet. No.
- [21:08]
Cameron Caskey
Did I ever tell you this? I don't think I've talked about this.
- [21:12]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Water was really high pressure. I'm just kidding.
- [21:14]
Cameron Caskey
Did I ever tell you about my meeting with Ivanka?
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Tim Miller
I don't believe you have.
- [21:19]
Cameron Caskey
I had a meeting in the Trump White House with Ivanka Trump where I was, like, trying to get her to offer citizenship or to advocate for the citizenship for the family of one of the kids who was murdered at my high school. Kid gets shot dead in my high school. A young man who. I'm not going to say his name, just to not drag him into my Ivanka Trump story. But I got the opportunity to meet with Ivanka, and I was like, you know what? If anybody in this family is going to see the humanity in this story, I don't know, it seems like it would be Ivanka. So I did the meeting. I went and I met with her.
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Tim Miller
Tiffany, probably, but she was not around.
- [22:00]
Cameron Caskey
Besides, Tiffany ended up talking to Ivanka for a little bit, discussed that and some other things, and she ended up telling me, oh, that's a conversation you should go have with Mercy Schlapp. Mercedes Schlapp. And then I had the meeting with Mercedes Schlapp. And she goes, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. The immigrants, we're getting them out. And I was like, oh, my God, these people can't even send their. Are you saying that because they're immigrants, like, them sending their kid to. To the high school, the kid getting shot, like, oh, it was an immigrant. They shouldn't have come here in the first place. It was a really weird meeting with Mercedes Schlapp and you know, Ivanka, I don't think Ivanka sent me to Mercy to, to get the job done. I think she sent me there so she didn't have to tell me that we were going to get the job done.
- [22:42]
Tim Miller
Did you get to do a deuce in Mercy Schlapp's bathroom?
- [22:45]
Cameron Caskey
I don't remember if I use the restroom.
- [22:48]
Tim Miller
Mercy once time told me Mercy told me in a green room after. So in the period after Trump won, between when he went in the White House and during that period when I was going the other way, Mercy schlamps on me in a green room and asked me how I was going to recover my personal brand. As a dead serious question, like, how are you planning on fixing your personal brand now that you are on the wrong side of the new president? And I was like, I don't know. I'm not trying to fix my personal brand. And I do feel like I've kind of won the long game on that. Since Mercy Slam's personal brand now is pretty much I completely consumed with the fact that she's married to a man that sexually assaults young. Other young men. You know, I was about to ask. That's kind of not great for her personal brand that she is like, standing by her man who is a sexual predator of. And while he's hiding his homosexuality. Not really for Pride Month what Matt.
- [23:47]
Cameron Caskey
Lap was up to. Because I felt like I had heard something about Match Lap, but honestly, that type of story about someone like Matt Slapp almost seems so obvious that I kind of forget it. Right?
- [23:57]
Tim Miller
Like, there was a crazy Match Slap story recently where he was like, drunk. This is in case Cash Patel's listening. Allegedly this was based on a report, a police report of some kind. That's not. I don't have firsthand knowledge of this, but apparently, according to this report, he was like, in a bar in rural Northern Virginia. Kind of Northern Virginia exurbs like, like playing grab ass with random dudes in the, in the, in the bar area of a restaurant. But it wasn't even a gay bar and it was like, not really the type of place where you'd think there'd be a lot of gays. And then they started getting mad at him and then he like drunkenly drove home and police had to go chase him down. Things aren't going great in the schlab household. It's not, not, not the best of times. They haven't. Mooch Senior has definitely done a much better pivot on his personal Brand than Mercy Schlapp, I would say. You know, he's got. He has hang out with Caddy K. They've got a podcast now. Do you hang out.
- [24:53]
Cameron Caskey
Who's Caddy K at all?
- [24:56]
Tim Miller
Tony?
- [24:57]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
No.
- [24:57]
Tim Miller
You haven't had any FaceTime with Katie K.
- [25:01]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Oh, yes, the British girl, right?
- [25:04]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
- [25:04]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Catty K. Yeah, she's super nice. I've met her before. Yes, that's a great name.
- [25:08]
Cameron Caskey
Who is that?
- [25:09]
Tim Miller
It's a good.
- [25:12]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
She's a big movie.
- [25:13]
Tim Miller
Mooch is Cam.
- [25:14]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I mean, she's a big movie fan, so I talked to her about movies, but I've only spoken to her a few times, actually.
- [25:20]
Tim Miller
I think Mooch might be Catty K's cam.
- [25:22]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [25:23]
Cameron Caskey
Regardless, I'll. I'll call one of them, figure out who's the cam, and have them join the cam union that me and Ed Elson from Prof. G. Are starting for the. For the labor rights of plucky young podcast sidekicks who are not. Who are riding the other person's clout. We'll figure it out. We'll. We'll get to the bottom of it.
- [25:42]
Tim Miller
I'm getting some benefits. Mooch. What? So is there anything else stand out from that period? Like, how does your dad like feeling as he seemed? Like, is it. Is everybody happier now? You know, your mom's going to be happier now? No. Like, everybody's going to feel more fulfilled. Right? Like, she doesn't, she doesn't have paparazzi out there.
- [25:58]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [25:58]
Tim Miller
He had a spin off podcast with another woman. I remember, and Katie K. And now you're making money on crypto. Everybody kind of happy now.
- [26:06]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
So one thing at the time that I kind of left out just because, you know, it was my involvement, I guess, you know, but why not? We'll talk about it. I did, like, my dad asked me over the summer of that camp to make like a little Trump, like, commercial of some kind.
- [26:20]
Tim Miller
Oh, wow. And can't believe you're gonna let us fly by this.
- [26:25]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
And I made a Lego stop motion. Right.
- [26:28]
Tim Miller
Does this still exist?
- [26:30]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I could send it to you, but it's. It's not on the Internet anymore. Trump like tweeted it at one point and it was just like a quick stop motion of like Trump putting like, Hillary in handcuffs and like throwing her in jail and being like, don't vote for crooked Hillary. And it was like a Lego. He. I took the Captain America Lego body and put like a Trump head on it. And anyways, I just did it because I was asked to do it and they Paid me. And I'm just a fucking junior high school. And I was like, sure, A junior in high school. Yeah. At the time. Yeah. And so then it got tweeted out, and I start getting all these death threats and all these crazy messages, and I get videos of this guy sending me videos of him burning a doll with my face on it and all this stuff. So that was fun.
- [27:18]
Tim Miller
How'd they know it was you?
- [27:21]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Because my dad was like, my son did this.
- [27:27]
Tim Miller
I cannot believe you just share that. And I'm so happy you did. It's in the spirit of FY Pod, which is about radical candor. We've all made our mistakes in life. You do have to do 10 Hail Marys and 10 Our Fathers. Wait, Sebastian, Maybe write a letter to Hillary. Like a handwritten letter that's like, I apologize about the handcuffs, the Legos.
- [27:47]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I still have the Legos. I'll send her her Lego.
- [27:50]
Cameron Caskey
Seb, if you could throw up the video, we'll get it for you.
- [27:54]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I would love.
- [27:55]
Cameron Caskey
For the audience.
- [27:55]
Tim Miller
We're gonna bring it back out. I don't know if we can do that, actually. I don't want to do. Poor Moots Junior is gonna start getting threats again. Little mooch.
- [28:03]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Just because.
- [28:03]
Tim Miller
No, you got a career. You're doing. I think it's better to let it. Let people's imagination run.
- [28:08]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, No, I didn't want no affiliation with Trump.
- [28:10]
Tim Miller
We can let it disappear into his industry. You know, that is something.
- [28:17]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
But, yeah, those are my memories at the time. And I just remember, like, definitely thinking, like, I mean, my dad. My dad's a good dad. You know, I love him to death. He's definitely a really smart, well read person, and. But he was definitely on some sort of Kool Aid. Trump. Kool Aid. And. And a lot of people were like, I definitely remember at the time, like, wow. Like, this is definitely a movement of some kind. And it's. It definitely felt like a fat. Like, me and my brother had a bet where we shook hands. Me and my brother do all these bets all the time and stuff. And we shook hands. He thought, Hillary's gonna win. I thought Trump was gonna win. And he still never paid me any because we. It was a ridiculous bet. It was like, I bet you like, a billion dollars that. And we shook hands on it and whatever. So I always bring it up every once in a while, randomly, like, you owe me a billion. But I definitely just remember the movement of Trump. And. And he definitely, like, he took over that. Like, that kind of, like, I guess like white person, college frat sort of energy, you know, completely took it over. And growing up in the Long island and on the east coast, that's pretty much most of that area. Is that so?
- [29:31]
Tim Miller
Definitely, yeah. It's kind of the base. Like the ethnic Northeastern whites were really a key, A key base. What. So that takes us to what I wanted to ask you about also. So, like, what's your, you know, I mean, you're like not in this shit the way me and Cam are, or your data is like minute by minute. Like what, like, what's your sense for like, why that is still working? Like, I kind of, I understand, I kind of understood the appeal in 2016. I didn't ever work for me. Like, I thought he's ridiculous clown and asshole. But like, I got it kind of. It's harder for me to get it now. And yet he's doing, he's gaining steam, particularly with like, dudes, you know, like dudes like, look like you kind of.
- [30:13]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I think it's kind of like, I think it's because the Democrats don't really have a good opposing force. You know what I mean? Like, they, for example, like older, old timey Americans, you know, they don't want a woman president. Like, I've heard some like, people make some crazy comments. Like some like old. One of my friends grandma's like, making a comment about like never like have a woman present. Like, you know, that's why I vote for Trump. And it's just like, it's kind of eye opening and I kind of feel.
- [30:45]
Tim Miller
Somebody emotionally stable in there. Yeah. Somebody that's ever gonna get on their period and have a temper tantrum.
- [30:50]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
That's what I just think that like Trump, Trump kind of like opens the eyes up to like what. How people actually are thinking in this country, you know, and it's a little scary, I think.
- [31:00]
Tim Miller
What, what do you think about like the rap culture bros though, like the old ladies, whatever. I get like, I mean, Lil Wheezy was for Trump.
- [31:09]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [31:09]
Tim Miller
Like, both of my Louisiana rapper rappers were.
- [31:13]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Well, because he's part. He like pardoned Kodak black and like pardoned ASAP Rocky and like is like trying to get the black vote in any way he can and, and just take. And you know, he also has this kind of like, like super like because the rap industry is very heterosexual, you know, I mean, like there's a whole, there's a whole conspiracy that like Drake is gay and you know, and it will never come out. And there's. If you're there's not, like, there's not really many gay rappers that are successful, you know, and so Trump kind of represents that sort of energy as well, and I feel like that has something to do with it.
- [31:50]
Tim Miller
And also, Trump is the pardons and being. Being not gay elements here.
- [31:56]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
What about a little bit?
- [31:57]
Tim Miller
And also gold sneakers.
- [31:58]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I also think that Trump, if you look like you look up, look, look up Trump, 1980s. He's, like, with hot girls and fucking odds of cash.
- [32:04]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
- [32:05]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I mean, like, he's got that energy to him. And, like, that's what they like, you know, they like that sort of, like, it. We ball, like, sort of boss energy, like, and Trump's also, like, puts in the effort to. With the rappers. Like, I remember, like, Kodak Black. I. One of my friends does videos for him.
- [32:26]
Tim Miller
And.
- [32:27]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
And Trump, like, would FaceTime Kodak Black, like, when. And, like, talked, like, talk to Kodak Black on the phone.
- [32:34]
Tim Miller
Like, like, about what?
- [32:35]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Like, I just know that happened one time. My friend was telling me about it when he was with Kodak Black. Like, Trump called him and, like, checked in on him. Like, you know, I mean, like, it's just like. Like. Like that.
- [32:45]
Cameron Caskey
Hear that phone call? I would listen to that phone call, like a podcast, but, you know, there's.
- [32:51]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
No, like, women rappers voting for Trump.
- [32:53]
Tim Miller
You know what I mean, Missy, you know?
- [32:56]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [32:57]
Tim Miller
Dochee, you don't think Dochi's going. Is pulling the trigger, the lever for Trump?
- [33:03]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Probably not. You know, I mean, it's just.
- [33:05]
Tim Miller
Yeah, it's a dude thing. So what is the answer then? So do the Democrats just need, like, a fuck it, we ball person that also, you know, it's worried about?
- [33:19]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I mean, I just think that they need someone that's, you know, like, I just think, like, Joe Biden just came across as, like, a joke, you know, and then Kamala just came in last minute, and she, you know, she didn't have. Like I said earlier, Trump has been campaigning for, like, 10 years, and she only had a few months to campaign, and she thought, like, oh, let me get, like, Meg the Stanley into twerk on my stage, and that will help me, like, just look stupid, you know? I don't know, like, for, like, doing some sort of physical action, like Trump pardoning rappers and stuff definitely is a more monumental movement to get that vote than paying Meg the Stallion to twerk. You know what I mean?
- [34:01]
Cameron Caskey
Biden. Biden not legalizing weed for me is, like, a historic. What the fuck are you doing?
- [34:08]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I don't know.
- [34:12]
Tim Miller
What about. What about Your dad, maybe Mooch should run for president in 2028. He thought about that Democratic presidential candidate might be a little.
- [34:18]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Definitely been. Definitely been tossed around for years.
- [34:21]
Tim Miller
Has it definitely been tossed around?
- [34:23]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yes.
- [34:23]
Tim Miller
Where? Like at the dinner table or.
- [34:25]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, just at the dinner table is like a, you know, kind of like a joking manner, but also semi serious.
- [34:31]
Tim Miller
And, you know, he has a we ball energy. You could see him in the back of a limo with like champagne and like a titty girl and some like hundred dollar bills.
- [34:41]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Like, I remember, like.
- [34:43]
Tim Miller
And you can have your rap music that you did at one of the videos playing. I can just so you see that. Yeah, the shortness is kind of a problem, I guess.
- [34:51]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Make a Trump diss track music video, you know, get like Lil Wayne to feature on it. I'm just kidding.
- [34:57]
Cameron Caskey
Anthony Scaramucci balling out.
- [34:59]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I do, I do think my dad's dream would, would be to like run for president or something. I think, I think that's something that he's very passionate about and he researches a lot. He definitely has.
- [35:11]
Tim Miller
I don't, I mean, I don't think it's crazy politics. Why? I think probably the time working for Trump is probably what kills him on this front because I do think it's gonna be hard to get a Democratic primary voter to vote for somebody that worked for Donald Trump. But like, the Democrats just don't really, like, it's hard to think about anybody that fits the bill. Like, Wes Moore is kind of the closest, I guess to like having any kind of like, I do think that.
- [35:36]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
The whole Trump thing, like, was like really good for my dad. That like him getting fired and like ejected that shit. I definitely noticed it, like, was a big shift in like his way of living and his.
- [35:48]
Cameron Caskey
Honestly, Tim, I just went.
- [35:50]
Tim Miller
Just real quick, I'll get your disagreement. But a big shift in his way of living how?
- [35:53]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Just like even him as like a dad, he's like more present first of all. And he's just like. I just noticed that he to me comes across like he moves slower in a good way. You know what I mean? And, and I, I personally think my dad's a genius and really smart and I love listening to him talk about politics and stuff. And sometimes I think to myself, like, we went to London a few months ago and he did a couple, like, he did like a show that was. I forget who the other guy was on the show, but it was about the assassination of jfk. I'm sure you could look it up. And I just remember hearing my dad Talk. Yeah. And then shifted to the policies of the Ukrainian bore somehow and whatever, which is like a discussion. And I just, I don't know, I just feel like he could, he's a good debater. He could, he definitely could have a good shot. At what? At being the president, if he actually took it seriously and went for it.
- [36:50]
Cameron Caskey
You know, I think that, yeah, I think that the, he used to work for Trump and emerged a hater thing, I think that actually services him the same way that, you know, the Bulwarkian. We were part of the GOP and now that's not our party anymore, that's not our values. Same way that, that's got such an appeal. Because you see people like that and you're like, this is what, you know, the Republicans that I was raised to know, this is what they would do. You know, the, the real conservatives, you'd think that the first thing they would have done when they saw someone like Donald Trump was, was leave the party. And then, you know, being able to say, this was the group of people I used to hang out with. And now I can't stand by it, I'm against it. And here's why has such an appeal. And Scaramucci being like, yeah, let me tell you how fucked the Trump White House is. I was in it and I'll and, and I saw some shit and it was awful. So I'm gonna come and I'm gonna do something good. I think there's a there, there. I think there's there there.
- [37:52]
Tim Miller
Yeah. But he's down to the final two. Okay, we're seeing this, we're talking, we're brainstorming, we're ideating. It's Mooch 20, 28. He's picking up, he's dominating the debate stage like Trump did in 2016, because all the other people are squares. We gotta put him on like a soapbox or something to get some hype. But we're gonna imagine we fix that problem. And he's crushing the debate stage. He's owning all the Dems. He's got some momentum. We're going into South Carolina. And then whoever is the normal Dem that is, that is leading in the polls as he's catching them, like drops the ad where it's like, Mooch is like, Trump's got the biggest balls I've ever seen.
- [38:30]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Football.
- [38:33]
Tim Miller
Could run a four minute mile. He's in such good shape. I've never seen a man like that. I think that, that it's going to hurt him. I think that that ad is Going to. I think that ad might hurt him in this dress, but I don't know. We can. We can work war gaming.
- [38:47]
Cameron Caskey
What we should do is we should make a LEGO ad of Lego Scaramucci putting Lego Trump in handcuffs.
- [38:55]
Tim Miller
Jail. Lego Scaramucci putting Lego Trump in handcuffs.
- [38:59]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, that's a good idea. And we'll get Lego to license it to us this time.
- [39:03]
Tim Miller
Okay.
- [39:06]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, maybe get some back Trump Lego ad.
- [39:10]
Tim Miller
I guess we should be suing Trump over that. Okay, that's good. All right, what else did I want to talk to you about? Crypto. Me and Cam are pretty crypto. Skeptical. Your dad's big crypto. What about you? Are you crypto? Do you got some bitcoin?
- [39:21]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I mean, I was in the NFT world as like an artist a lot and that market tanked. Yeah, it definitely did.
- [39:30]
Tim Miller
I had a couple NFTs. I had a Jamal Murray. What is it called? Top Shot. Had a Jamal Murray. Top Shot. Lost all my money on that.
- [39:38]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Nice. Yeah, I definitely lost money in the crypto world more than I've made it myself, but my dad seemed to have made a lot. But in the NFT world, separate from just investing in like coinbase and crypto, whatever the fuck, I was able to, as an artist, make a collection and make some money, which was nice. But I did a collection with Algorand, which they helped, like, give me an upfront payment to do all the art and stuff, which was great. I think I find the crypto world to definitely be a little bit like gambling, you know, and something my dad said when Trump won recently, he was like, well, at least it's good for crypto. But it hasn't really been that way. I feel like it's kind of been going down. I. My investments aren't like huge in crypto. I have like a little bit in bitcoin, like a little bit in XRP and Solana.
- [40:32]
Tim Miller
Do you think it's real?
- [40:33]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I think it's definitely real. And I definitely think, you know, there's also like the crypto world as a huge scammer energy. It's like, you know, it's all Internet based, so, like, there's no real. So you could easily say it's not real, you know, but it's definitely real. I mean, I know people that are millionaires off crypto, you know, and they're young and it's just. It's definitely like an appealing thing because of that has, like. But it has like a similar appeal that like a slot machine has. You know, what I mean, like, quick, quick money, quick fix kind of thing.
- [41:12]
Cameron Caskey
I mean, speaking of slot machines, I was just in Vegas. Sorry.
- [41:17]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Let's just say crypto is like, what funds all these, like, underground and like terrorist organizations and stuff. I don't know if you saw on the news recently, but actually know or know of through friends. These kids that got busted in New York recently, they're running a whole crypto scam. They're living in like a $65,000 a month, like, brownstone in Soho or. And apparently I've never been to the house, but one of my friends went to the house because a lot of. They would have a lot of after parties and parties and stuff for younger kids going out in New York. And apparently if you looked in the sink in their house, there was just like 20 MacBooks and water filled to the top. Because what they were doing is they were getting into people's crypto accounts, stealing money, destroying the evidence, and then they would go to like, the club. Like, there's countless stories you can look up where these people are able to get into some big investor's wallet, steal $50 million worth of crypto, then they go out and go on a fucking spending spree until they get caught. And they last like a month or two. But because it's versus if you were to go into someone's bank account and steal the money, they would get caught in like a day or two just because it's so hard to fucking follow the blockchain, you know? Yeah, but I don't know, it's just interesting.
- [42:37]
Tim Miller
Cam, what were you saying?
- [42:38]
Cameron Caskey
I was gonna say, speaking of slot machines, I was in Las Vegas for a podcast interview on Tuesday. I. I hate Las Vegas. I've been there a bunch of times. If there's ever been a city with a famous mass shooting in it, I've probably been there a couple times. Vegas is one of them. And I just. It's such a terrible city. I hate it. But there was a crypto conference where there. Where there were 30,000 people in attendance. I was on walking onto the airplane to go to Vegas and I saw at least 10 people wearing either hats or, you know, zip ups with some sort of crypto logo on them. And I was like, oh my God, if God is gonna strike down a plane to send the people on it to hell, it's gonna be the one that I just walked on.
- [43:25]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, and crypto people are definitely weird. Like the Twitter communities and, and like, they all have like a. A little like a delusionalness to Them, in my opinion. I don't know, just some sort of like. Like you're saying, like, is it real? Is it not? They all are definitely going all in on it. And Trump is trying to lead that train of. I hate to say it, but, like, crypto idiots, you know what I mean? And I don't know, something Trump said I thought was interesting that he said he was going to pay off the nation's debt with bitcoin.
- [43:57]
Tim Miller
Oh, yeah, that's going to happen.
- [43:59]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Which is just definitely interesting. Interesting statement.
- [44:01]
Tim Miller
You know, I think. I mean, it's interesting the same way that he bankrupted a casino. So the casino, sure, Shirley could bankrupt our country with. With bitcoin. He's gonna.
- [44:12]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I love that. I love that Apprentice movie, by the way, the Sebastian Stan movie. It's fucking incredible, in my opinion. I don't know if you have it.
- [44:19]
Cameron Caskey
Did you see it, Jim? The Trump?
- [44:20]
Tim Miller
I refuse to see it. I can't. So here's the thing. I got to do this all day. And so, like, the idea of sitting down and watching a movie about Donald Trump makes me want to kill myself. So.
- [44:29]
Cameron Caskey
So good.
- [44:29]
Tim Miller
If I'm gonna watch something, I want to go totally off books. Like, I'm watching your Friends and Neighbors right now, which is really great.
- [44:35]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Well, you should watch my film.
- [44:36]
Tim Miller
What's your film?
- [44:38]
Cameron Caskey
Well, that's a great segue into the real thing that we need to talk about with the time we've got left, which is Mooch's film. It will be premiering at the Tribeca Film Festival at some. Wait, I need to put this on my calendar, actually. What. What day is it again?
- [44:53]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
June 14 at 8:30 at the village East Angelica. It's my debut film. It's my first film.
- [45:00]
Tim Miller
Where's my invite? I didn't get an invite.
- [45:02]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Right. It's right here. It's coming to you right now.
- [45:03]
Tim Miller
Okay.
- [45:04]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Are you gonna be in New York around June 14th?
- [45:06]
Tim Miller
I always. I always need excuses to come to New York, baby.
- [45:09]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
All right, say less. I got an extra ticket for you with your name on it.
- [45:11]
Tim Miller
All right, well, I want to hear about the movie before I decide if I want to come or not.
- [45:16]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Well, I'll send you the trailer. You check it out. It's called Money Talks. It takes place in 1981, New York, and it's about the life of a hundred dollar bill as it gets passed from one character to the next. And it's people's perspective. Yeah, a little bit of. A little bit of sex, money, power, you know, and it's about the. It's like a people's perspective about capitalism and America at its extreme. You know, Reagan just got elected takes. The first day of the film is January 20th. So you get a little bit of Reagan's inauguration in there. And. And, yeah, it's like a kind of inspired by, like, the Scorsese grit of, like, the films of that era, you.
- [45:56]
Tim Miller
Know, like Taxi Driver, full feature.
- [45:58]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
It's a short film, but it's 30, 33 minutes and 33 seconds on the dot. And got into the Tribeca Film Festival, which is exciting. And everybody said that it wouldn't because it was too long, but it still did.
- [46:11]
Cameron Caskey
So I was one of those people, by the way. I was one of those people who said that it wouldn't because it was too long. And I'm happy to eat my words right now.
- [46:17]
Tim Miller
Are any of Cam's exes in the movie?
- [46:20]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yes. Specifically casted? All of them, actually. No. I'm just kidding.
- [46:25]
Cameron Caskey
There is a character in the movie named after. So there's a character in the movie who is a. As we say, not in 1981, but here in 2025. A sex worker probably would have been called something different in 81, but there's a character who does, you know, sell her body as a product for money.
- [46:46]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
All right, we have Ethan Kutoski from Shameless in it. We got Francesca Scorsese, Martin Scorsese's daughter. In it. We got David Mazeus, an Infinity gang member. The Batman from Gotham in it. I got a couple rappers who did some little cameos in it as well. I got 24k golden, if you know him. I got this other rapper who signed asap, Rocky. His name's Swoosh. God. Another dude named Fredro Starr. Natalie Shinnick, who was in the Brutalist. She. She's the one that plays during the.
- [47:19]
Tim Miller
Brutalist, but I bet she was good.
- [47:22]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [47:23]
Tim Miller
I love this. The Scorsese, Scaramucci family unite.
- [47:27]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah.
- [47:28]
Cameron Caskey
Italy is so back.
- [47:31]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Situation.
- [47:32]
Tim Miller
What was it called again?
- [47:33]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
It's called Money Talks.
- [47:34]
Tim Miller
Money Talks. I'm into it, Mooch. I'm excited to see it. And. And I just can't believe, like, just the fact that I did not plan this. We did not plan this. It just happened to work out because you're just a preternaturally good content creator. We're going to Boomer Mailbag next. Boomer Mailbag. Here's the question. Hans a boomer in Maine. I have a Gen Z kid, and I'm really struck by their generation's romantization of the 1980s. I swear to God we did not plan this. I did not make this up. It just, just worked out. Can you speak to that? I think it's a longing for seriousness. How great it was to grow up in a world run by serious people. I'm not sure if that's right, Hans, but that's a good theory. Gen Z has grown up in a world run by geezers and clowns. So that's Hans's boomer and mains theory. Tony, what is yours? Why, why are you obsessed with the 80s?
- [48:26]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, well, to play off what he said, I feel like back then when like for example, like Ronald Reagan spoke, people listened, you know what I mean? And like, like you said, took it seriously. Especially like parents, you know what I mean, made their kids take it seriously. And also I think that the technology and the screens for example have a big play in it because you know, TVs and VHS, VHS came out in 1976 and. But back then like the only place, like the only screen was like a movie theater, you know. So for example, like if you were to watch porn, you would have to go to the movie theater to watch porn. And nowadays I could watch porn on like you said, four screens at once, you know, I mean, and anytime anyway.
- [49:17]
Tim Miller
You might be watching it right now.
- [49:18]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I'd be watching it right there on my second screen, you have no idea. But I think that has something to do with, with the seriousness because everyone's in this sort of like quick fix mentality. Everyone likes to scroll, everyone likes to.
- [49:30]
Tim Miller
Swipe, like I don't know, tangible nature of it, of the world.
- [49:35]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Like for example, I mean, I don't know, this has nothing to do with the 80s, but just in like 2019 alone because I just seeing the shift of like the release of Tik Tok for me in the music video world. So 2018, 2019 there was a lot more music videos that would get hundreds of millions of views. Tik Tok comes out. 2019, there was like literally like two videos in 2019 that got a hundred million views. The views just went down like more than half after TikTok came out. Because now everyone wants the 15 second, they can't fucking watch the three minute video, you know, it's just too much for them, you know. And that's just like movies as well. Like movies are fucking going downhill because like I said, people like that sort of like quick stimulation, the brain chemistry is being altered, you know. And the quick fixes of the 80s was like, let me go Outside. Let me go get a hooker. Let me go do some cocaine. Let me go to the movie theater. I'll watch the Shining and maybe I'll fucking get a 15 blowjob and watch deep Throat after. You know, where nowadays the quick fixes. I'm in my room, in my home. I'm gonna fucking swipe on OnlyFans and tick tock and fucking, you know, maybe.
- [50:45]
Tim Miller
I love that you went immediately to porn theaters as something that you romanticize about the 8cam. Do you have something that you romanticize about the 80s or any insights for Hans movies?
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Cameron Caskey
For me, two things to what Mooch was saying. One of them is what he just said, which was movies. I think that a lot of very beloved films that have stood the test of time take place in the 1980s and make the 1980s look fucking awesome. I also think that the 1980s was a time and Ronald Reagan was sort of the president for this, where there was enough access to media that we were able to make things look so much better than they actually were without people then looking further into certain things. And now there's too much access to media and people. People are getting fed things directly by big tech companies that want to shape the narrative the way they see fit. So I could see people romanticizing the 80s just because it was a time when you could watch tv, you could watch movies, you could, you know, do a lot of things that are considered modern age things. But it was before a lot of those things went too far. You know, in the 80s, this is all about movies. But it's because we're talking to Mooch in the 80s, great movies were coming out all the time. Awesome movies. You can go see them. And now it's just this AI generated slope. Most of it's something you watch at home. I don't know if you.
- [52:15]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Well, just for example, like the. The studios are telling you, hey, can you make the actors a little closer together in the middle of the frame just so we can make a tick tock?
- [52:24]
Tim Miller
No.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, yeah. There's this whole thing that Netflix had a statement about second. Netflix had a statement about second screens that they were making sure that the TV shows they were making were things that could be watched while somebody was scrolling online. And that certain lines of dialogue are written to contextualize scenes in a way that was not original to the script. They add in lines of dialogue so the people who are watching it as their second screen are able to keep up with it. Welcome to 2025.
- [52:57]
Tim Miller
Muted for me. I'm fucking doom. Scrolling. While I'm watching your friends and neighbors just trying to understand Jon Hamm's struggles as a rich ex urban financier. All right. Oh, wait. We have one final topic. We have Gen Z News. Are you ready? Up next, Gen Z News. Here we go. Mooch. This one caught our eye here. It's from Newsweek and the story is Gen Z is signing up for Adulting 101 class. While the term adulting may be associated with their millennial predecessors. Sorry for that. Classes on how to adult have popped up at multiple universities in the US aiming to teach Gen Z key life skills for adulthood. That doesn't seem great.
- [53:48]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I'm curious what they're teaching them. So they're basically teaching them how to be an adult. Essentially.
- [53:54]
Tim Miller
Let's see here. I want to know. Michigan State University, California at Riverside. The classes are equipping people with essential nice skills, essential life skills. They include workshops like International Travel on a Budget, Mastering Meal Planning, Navigating Life, Addressing and Handling Peer Pressure, Professionalism, Communicate, Dress and Deliver with confidence.
- [54:23]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, I mean I definitely feel like our parents think that like we have it easy, you know what I mean? As well. Like that kind of plays into it. Like, like my mom used to, she would tell me story like where she would use a map in the car. Like literally a physical map.
- [54:37]
Tim Miller
Yeah, and I use maps, bro.
- [54:40]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, exactly. Like nowadays we got the phone, of course. And we also. We live in the only time period where I could literally be like, ah, like I kind of want like a protein smoothie. I'm just click a couple buttons next. Some fucking.
- [54:53]
Tim Miller
You can buy protein smoothie on credit.
- [54:54]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Brings it. Yeah, but I don't play it into that. I just feel like like for example, like a 30 year old in the 1980s was like balding and like I was like an adult. Now like a third a 30 year old today is like got perfect skin care and like fucking still thinks they're a kid.
- [55:13]
Tim Miller
Thank you. Yeah, we were talking about this yesterday. George Costanza looked the same in the first season of Seinfeld in the year 1989 as he does today. Like he looked 28, he looked 50 and now he must be 70 and he looks 50.
- [55:29]
Cameron Caskey
My hut. Comment down below, by the way. Comment below how you feel about adulting class. And if you think maybe I want.
- [55:37]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
To take it, I want to see what's up.
- [55:39]
Cameron Caskey
I'm pro.
- [55:39]
Tim Miller
You guys need adulting.
- [55:41]
Cameron Caskey
I'm pro adulting class. Totally. I mean, you know, this sort of brings to mind how often Gen Z gets shit for stuff. And nobody looks at our parents and says, why didn't you prepare them for that? You know, there's a lot of Gen Z gets that we totally deserve that we, if not ask, beg for. But also it's like, you know, what were our parents doing? You know, my parents taught me a lot of extremely valuable things, a lot of things that many people's parents don't teach them. I think my parents gave me a leg up in a lot of ways. And then there's some stuff that I don't know where I'm like, hey, by the way, could you guys have told me about that? Like, you guys have told me about personal finance and credit and how to build credit and, you know, there's some things in adulting class that are not necessarily a parent thing, like job interviews and everything like that, but we need the help. Like, we should be learning professionalism. We should be learning professionalism in the workplace. We don't know how to be professional in the workplace.
- [56:43]
Tim Miller
I think adulting class is living life. Like, I was on. On the Grown up podcast yesterday. I had a guy that did a profile of JD Vance, and he was talking about how one of JD's radicalizing experiences was when he went to Yale. He didn't know what seltzer was. He didn't know how to use fine china. And it was embarrassing to him because he was a poor white from Ohio and he didn't know these things. And I'm just like, you fucking pussy. I'm like, that's everybody. That happens to all of us. Like, you don't learn everything when you're a child. You go out into the world, and then sometimes you meet somebody who, like Mooch Jr. Who grew up in Long island, who is more worldly than you. And, like, he knows about that you don't know about. And then you learn. Like, it's not. This is not that you don't need a class. You just, like, look to other. You know, you just learn.
- [57:31]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
You just have to have the student mindset in life.
- [57:33]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
- [57:34]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
That's all.
- [57:35]
Tim Miller
I also think J.D. vance.
- [57:37]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, don't be J.D. vance. That Ron Howard movie, whatever the it's called, have you ever seen that? That they did about him?
- [57:43]
Tim Miller
Yeah, it was horrible.
- [57:44]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, it was pretty bad. Yeah. Also, I think that, like, I mean, my generation, I was born in 1999. Like, we were kind of like the guinea pigs of social media, you know, like, Instagram, like, came out when I was, like, in seventh grade or, like, sixth grade and, And Snapchat and whatever. And I remember getting like a phone when I was like 14 for the first time and getting all the new apps and shit. And we definitely were a part of that, but I feel like it was not as unlimited as it is today, for sure. And then I have a little brothers, right? Some half siblings. And one of them is 12 now. And for example, he knows every single frickin meme there ever is ever. He scrolls on his phone more than anyone I've ever seen in my life. I love him to death. He's a really smart kid, but he's like learning everything from the Internet, you know what I'm saying? Like he's. The Internet is teaching him like everything. And from the hawk to girl, whatever the was coming out. I don't even know what the that was. I go to a baseball game, my little brother, and he's like. And he's like. He's like 11 at the time. And I was just like, what? What are you doing? And he was like, oh, you don't know about that. Like spit on that thing. Like. And he like shows it to me and I'm like, how you should know this?
- [59:01]
Tim Miller
And like he's like, does he know what she's spitting on?
- [59:04]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Oh yeah, he knows everything. He knows everything. He's like smarter than he should be at for his age, you know, I mean he knows. He's making like diddy jokes and he's like 12 years old, he's making like a diddy joke. And I'm like, yo, what about tell.
- [59:16]
Tim Miller
Your dad to take this kid's phone away. What is happening?
- [59:18]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Okay, no, they do, they do they restrict him.
- [59:21]
Tim Miller
He should go out to a cleanse somewhere.
- [59:24]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
The thing is, is that it's not even like him. It's like I hang out with his friends and they're, they're even worse. Like, you know, you hang out the 12 year old, his group. Like I'll play whenever I'm at with my little brother. I'm like, all right, like what are we doing? You know, I'm just hanging out with him, like playing basketball, whatever the. And all of his friends, like my dad will be around and it's like a filters on, you know what I mean? It's like they're like, they're still solo crazy, but they're not that crazy. My dad walks away. Then the diddy jokes start coming out or so whatever the. You know what I mean? That's pretty much exactly how it works.
- [59:51]
Cameron Caskey
With Infinity Gang around Scaramuji too.
- [59:55]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
But we're like, he's definitely getting like, as restricted as he possibly can. But like, it's just, it's. You can't, you know, I mean, like once, once they have the phone and say the Internet. Yeah, it's. And then with the fucking fortnight and the video. I mean, for me, I used to play like Call of Duty as a kid and video games. A kid. I'd log in Call of Duty and people would yell the fucking N word at me and stuff. And it was just like, whoa. Like, what's going on? And then you go watch south park, you watch Family Guy. It definitely, like, you know, it matures you pretty quick. Gets you in, in that adult whatever craziness. And they're just experiencing it in, at a higher level, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's in the, it's in their pocket, you know, it's.
- [60:35]
Cameron Caskey
We didn't, you know, not to age us, not, not to, not to talk about how ancient me and much are. 1999, 2000. But we didn't really have an Andrew Tate, I don't think. I guess our Andrew Tate is Andrew Tate, because guys my age like Andrew Tate, but I mean, you know, they're like 12 year old boys who are standing. Andrew.
- [60:57]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Andrew Tate. If you. I watched like the Vice news on him.
- [61:00]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
- [61:00]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
I don't know if he's ever saw that, but he literally. Yeah, like you said, there's like army 12 year olds that get paid or have a chance to get paid by clipping him. Right. And if they're clips, people click on the link and they sign up with Andrew Tate. They get like 5% or whatever. So these little 12 year olds are clip farming. Clip farming. They just.
- [61:19]
Tim Miller
Yeah, I knew we were. When I saw a video of Sneako at like a baseball game or something and all these 12 year olds were swarming him and I was just like, we are. So.
- [61:28]
Anthony Scaramucci Jr.
Yeah, little kids are. And the thing is about little kids is that like, I don't know, I think like the. Everyone wants to go viral. You know what I mean? Like, and like going viral nowadays is like kind of nonchalant. You mean like if you made a YouTube video in like 2012 that got like a million views, it was like, holy. Like a big video. Nowadays you get a million views on a Instagram reel. It's like pretty common almost, or it's like, whatever. But these kids want that so bad and like, they like, even my little brother, they're like trying to come up with an idea. They're trying to make, like, a little funny video or something. Like, oh, and then we'll pass it to him and they'll dunk it and did. And that. And that. Because they were trying to go viral. And that's like a disease. You know what I mean? It's like fucking. It's pointless in a weird way.
- [62:12]
Tim Miller
We should have your little brother on the show next. All right, let's give me the next guest. We'll have two mooches. Generations of mooches. Give your dad a. Give your dad a squeeze for me. I gotta run. I got a live show tonight in Nashville. I gotta roll.
- [62:24]
Cameron Caskey
Let's go, everybody. Thanks so much for watching Mooch Man. Let me know if I'm coming over later, because I'm available probably after, like, 8:30.