34: My Dad Got Mobbed Up with Giuliani (w/ Aaron Parnas)

Summary

Podcast Summary: FYPod – Episode 34: My Dad Got Mobbed Up with Giuliani (w/ Aaron Parnas)
Release Date: June 7, 2025
Host/Authors: Tim Miller and Karen McCaskey
Guest: Aaron Parnas

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1. Introduction and Guest Background (00:00 – 01:22)

The episode kicks off with Tim Miller and Karen McCaskey welcoming Aaron Parnas, introducing him as "the king of making selfie videos." Aaron shares an unconventional origin story, highlighting his early academic achievements:

Aaron Parnas [01:23]: "My backstory way back, I started college when I was 14 and then I graduated college when I was 18."

Tim immediately flags this as unusual, sparking a brief humorous exchange about Curtis Yarvin, another young prodigy.

2. Family Ties and Political Connections (01:22 – 04:16)

Aaron delves into his family's political connections, particularly his father's relationship with prominent figures like Lev Parnas and Donald Trump:

Aaron Parnas [02:12]: "My dad kind of grew up with Donald Trump's dad. Grew up in that kind of circle."

Tim probes further about Aaron's direct interactions, questioning whether Aaron has visited the Trump family home:

Aaron Parnas [02:37]: "No, I have not."

Karen clarifies Aaron's familial connections:

Karen McCaskey [03:02]: "Rudy seems like by this point in Rudy's life, he might have been looking for a new family. He was like an orphan. He's like a grown-up orphan walking around. And your dad just took him in."

3. Encounters with Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani (04:16 – 07:10)

Aaron recounts his father's interactions with Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani, including attending Trump's rally in Doral and forming a close relationship with Giuliani during a Yankees game:

Aaron Parnas [04:42]: "So you got a pic? Yeah, we got a pic."

Aaron Parnas [05:38]: "Rudy does drink scotch, I think."

He highlights the familial bond between his father and Giuliani, noting Giuliani's role in his brother's life:

Aaron Parnas [06:25]: "Rudy has been to the house? Yes. I mean, he's my little brother's godfather. He picked up my little brother at his bris."

4. The Epstein Files Controversy (22:06 – 27:43)

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Elon Musk's tweet accusing Donald Trump of being involved in the Epstein files. Aaron raises legal concerns about Musk's potential violation of laws regarding classified information:

Aaron Parnas [26:57]: "Not enough people are talking about that Elon Musk saying Donald Trump is in the Epstein files means that Elon Musk, as a government employee, probably saw parts of the Epstein files that are currently confidential and or classified, which means he may have just violated the law by putting that tweet up."

Tim and Karen explore the implications of this accusation, debating whether it should lead to impeachment proceedings against Trump:

Tim Miller [25:42]: "If Trump is on the Epstein documents more than we know, then maybe we should open up impeachment proceedings."

5. Impact on Political Landscape and Gen Z Voters (34:16 – 35:17)

The hosts and Aaron discuss the potential ripple effects of the Trump-Elon Musk feud on young voters, particularly Gen Z. Aaron remains skeptical about the Democrats' ability to capitalize on the schism:

Aaron Parnas [34:53]: "And the reason why is because a lot of those people who voted for Trump because of Elon or because of the techie stuff, like, they don't care what's happening in politics."

6. Aaron’s Transition to TikTok and Content Creation (07:10 – 12:33)

Aaron shares his journey from law school to becoming a TikTok content creator. He explains how the Russian invasion of Ukraine influenced his content, leading to a surge in followers before being banned:

Aaron Parnas [07:24]: "So it wasn't until Russia invaded Ukraine. We saw it. Family in Ukraine. So I would be hearing from them on the ground what they would be seeing outside of their window. And then I would just kind of report on it on TikTok and blew up to a million followers in a week."

7. Mental Health Among Young Men: Liberal vs. Conservative (43:08 – 47:15)

Drawing from a Nate Silver article, the trio discusses the disparities in self-reported mental health between young liberal and conservative men. Karen suggests that conservatism may encourage emotional compartmentalization:

Karen McCaskey [44:21]: "I think that the conservative men have better mental health thing is because culturally, young men who are going to be more liberal are going to spend more time actually asking questions about their mental health and they're going to feel more comfortable exploring these things about their life."

Aaron adds that conservative men might dismiss mental health issues altogether:

Aaron Parnas [45:26]: "I think most, I would say half of those conservative men polled that said that their mental health was great don't even believe mental health really exists."

8. Rapid Fire and Boomer Mailbag (48:25 – 53:45)

The episode concludes with a rapid-fire segment addressing listener questions from Boomers. Topics range from behaving at concerts to men expressing care by saying goodnight. Karen emphasizes the importance of showing appreciation:

Karen McCaskey [50:53]: "If you have a server at a restaurant who seems to have a developmental disability somewhere on the autism spectrum, get the card for the restaurant, give the manager a call and say, hey, by the way, this server was great. I send them my highest compliments."

9. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes (53:42 – End)

Aaron promotes his TikTok presence, while the hosts encourage listeners to follow his content. The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter about potential future guests and community engagement.

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Notable Quotes:

• Aaron Parnas [01:23]: "My backstory way back, I started college when I was 14 and then I graduated college when I was 18."
• Aaron Parnas [02:12]: "My dad kind of grew up with Donald Trump's dad. Grew up in that kind of circle."
• Aaron Parnas [26:57]: "Not enough people are talking about that Elon Musk saying Donald Trump is in the Epstein files means that Elon Musk, as a government employee, probably saw parts of the Epstein files that are currently confidential and or classified, which means he may have just violated the law by putting that tweet up."
• Karen McCaskey [44:21]: "I think that the conservative men have better mental health thing is because culturally, young men who are going to be more liberal are going to spend more time actually asking questions about their mental health..."
• Aaron Parnas [45:26]: "I think most, I would say half of those conservative men polled that said that their mental health was great don't even believe mental health really exists."

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Conclusion:

Episode 34 of FYPod offers an in-depth exploration of Aaron Parnas' familial ties to key political figures, the tumultuous interactions between his father and Donald Trump, and the broader implications of high-profile controversies like the Epstein files. The discussion seamlessly transitions into contemporary issues such as the role of social media in politics, the mental health of young men across the political spectrum, and the evolving landscape of Gen Z voters. The episode concludes with engaging listener interactions, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to addressing both serious and relatable topics.

Transcript

[Jess Pardew]

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[Aaron Parnas]

One thing that not enough people are talking about is that Elon Musk saying Donald Trump is in the Epstein files means that Elon Musk, as a government employee, probably saw parts of the Epstein files that are currently confidential and or classified. Which means he may have just violated law by putting that tweet up because you're not allowed to share government documents and government information.

[Tim Miller]

Hey, everybody, I'm Tim Miller.

[Karen McCaskey]

I'm Karen McCaskey and this is Fypod Bulwark's show for hardcore politics, teen gossip, and sometimes maybe a little friendship along the way. Today we are joined by Aaron Parnas, the king of making selfie videos. How you doing, my man?

[Aaron Parnas]

Good. That was very intense.

[Karen McCaskey]

This is gonna be a very intense episode. We've got everything from the first messy gay breakup of Pride Month featuring Donald Trump and Elon Musk, as well as some other shit that Tim told me about before we got started. But obviously that's the one I'm thinking about the most. But Aaron, I think we wanna hear a little bit about you.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Karen McCaskey]

You've got something of an origin story a little bit.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, my origin story is a little different. It's not necessarily your average kinda coming of age story in this kind of industry. Yeah, no, I. So I. My backstory way back, I started college when I was 14 and then I graduated college when I was 18.

[Tim Miller]

That's a red flag for me.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, listen, okay, it is what it is.

[Tim Miller]

We learned about this, about. Do you know Curtis Yarvin? I've already derailing the podcast. When you get Gen Z White Bros together, we just like to talk about, you know, we got to talk about tech, you know, how much we love the tech bros. You know, we like to bro out. But Curtis Yarvin went to college at 12 and I think that's why he became a fascist. That's kind of one of my things. So did you have that experience at all?

[Aaron Parnas]

It actually went the complete opposite okay.

[Tim Miller]

All right, let's hear more. I apologize for anything. Yeah.

[Aaron Parnas]

So it started when I was 14, then went to law school when I was 18. And it wasn't until I was 17, 18 years old, that my family had gotten into politics because my dad kind of grew up with Donald Trump's dad. Grew up in that kind of circle.

[Tim Miller]

Lev and Fred.

[Aaron Parnas]

Lev and Fred.

[Tim Miller]

Hanging, chilling.

[Aaron Parnas]

I think from what I understand, and I don't know the full details, but my dad's first job was for Fred, one of his first jobs.

[Tim Miller]

Have you ever been to the Trump family home in Queens?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I have not.

[Tim Miller]

Lev?

[Aaron Parnas]

No.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, okay. So they weren't that close. You didn't invite him over to dad?

[Karen McCaskey]

Lev is his dad?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Duh.

[Karen McCaskey]

What the fuck do you mean, duh?

[Tim Miller]

Did you Google him before the show started?

[Karen McCaskey]

I knew. I met Aaron at the Annoying Content Creator Conference, and we. We really got along. We got some mutual friends, and I was like, this guy's good people. I watched some of his selfie vids for the Meadis. Touch Guys Midas.

[Tim Miller]

I thought all Gen Z's Googled people immediately after meeting them and learned everything about them.

[Karen McCaskey]

I didn't Google you until we were like, 12 weeks into the podcast.

[Tim Miller]

I know, it's very strange. Anyway, his dad is Lev Parnas, who was kind of a big deal when you were, like, 12, because he was involved in the effort to, I don't know, get the Hunter Biden laptop from Ukraine or something.

[Aaron Parnas]

Something like that. I mean, they were involved in a whole host of kind of.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so we'll take it back. So to help out Cameron, since he hasn't Googled it, your father's left.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yes.

[Tim Miller]

Him and Fred were pals. And so that's how he got mobbed or he worked for Fred.

[Aaron Parnas]

He worked for Fred and then I guess he met Donald a couple times. And we grew up in South Florida. So you run square circles in Boca?

[Karen McCaskey]

Hell yeah, dude. That's where my temple was.

[Aaron Parnas]

I was 15 minutes away from where you went to high school.

[Karen McCaskey]

Did you go to B' Nai Israel?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I went to Chabad.

[Karen McCaskey]

Okay, well, B' Nai Israel is really good.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, this isn't. We don't need. It's not Jewish Pride Month, okay? It's Gay Pride Month.

[Aaron Parnas]

Jewish Pride Month.

[Karen McCaskey]

Every month is Jewish Pride Month for me.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. We don't need to learn about Shabbat. What? Okay, so you're a kid, and so did you ever go to Mar A Lago?

[Aaron Parnas]

I have actually never been to Mar A Lago No.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. All right. So Donald's around, your dad and him are hanging out maybe, I guess, a.

[Aaron Parnas]

Couple times, time to time.

[Tim Miller]

And so then he gets mobbed up with Rudy.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, that didn't actually happen until, I think Trump took office. Not until 2017.

[Tim Miller]

I'm sorry, you tell your own story.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah. So it was back in 2015 when Trump first announced he had a rally in Doral and the Trump Golf Club over there. And we went, and my dad was able to somehow get this, like, backstage pass or whatever, and we got to meet Trump with, like, about, I don't know, 50 other people there. And then. So you got a pic? Yeah, we got a pic.

[Tim Miller]

Is that out there on the Internet? Can I Google that right now?

[Aaron Parnas]

I'm pretty sure you can find it.

[Tim Miller]

If you wanted to. You keep talking, aren't you?

[Aaron Parnas]

But then. So about a year went by. Nothing really happened. Just kind of like started getting closer and closer to kind of like the Trump won circle in terms of, like, the campaign. I think he hosted a fundraiser for them or something. And then it wasn't until he went to the election night party. But then it wasn't until, I think, 2017 or 2018, where my dad somehow met Rudy at, I believe it was a Red Sox Yankees game, and they kind of just hit it off and then became tough.

[Karen McCaskey]

Was this before or after the picture of the hair dye dripping down his face?

[Tim Miller]

Before.

[Aaron Parnas]

Definitely before.

[Karen McCaskey]

Okay, got it.

[Tim Miller]

Like, this is like they're just sitting next to each other.

[Aaron Parnas]

I think they were in a. So that's.

[Tim Miller]

Is this it?

[Aaron Parnas]

No. So that's 2019.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so you met him twice?

[Aaron Parnas]

Met him a few times.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, all right, keep going.

[Aaron Parnas]

But no. So they met just, I think it was in the box of some Yankees game. I don't know how they met other than that, but so they met, they hit it off. Rudy kind of became part of our family. My dad spoke to him more than he spoke to me, and it was a bit of a weird relationship.

[Tim Miller]

I feel like you kind of yada, yada, yada over something. Like they're at a baseball game with Rudy and then he became part of the family.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, that's really it. Like, they just hit it off and they got each other's numbers, and next.

[Tim Miller]

Thing, they both like whiskey, Italian food.

[Aaron Parnas]

My dad doesn't drink, so it has nothing to do with the whiskey Rudy drinks. Rudy does drink oscotch, I think. Yes.

[Tim Miller]

And so was it like gangster movies? Like, are they both into, like, I.

[Aaron Parnas]

Don'T know, Goodfellas they both grew up in New York, they had this like New York mentality, kind of New York brotherhood type vibe going on. I don't know. But ultimately, like, they.

[Tim Miller]

So Rudy's been to the house?

[Aaron Parnas]

Rudy has been to the house? Yes. I mean, he's my little brother's godfather. He picked up my little brother at his bris.

[Tim Miller]

Really?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yes.

[Tim Miller]

Wow.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, they got very close very fast.

[Tim Miller]

Do you hang out with the Giuliani's like you and Caroline hang out or anything?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I had never met anyone other than Rudy.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, Rudy seems like by this point in Rudy's life, he might have been looking for a new family. He was like an orphan. He's like a grown up orphan walking around. And your dad just took him in. That's my guess. Maybe like a stray dog kind of situation.

[Karen McCaskey]

My Uncle Rudy, maybe.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, listen, lady and the Tramp, it's like he was kind of tramp and you guys just like took him into the home?

[Aaron Parnas]

Could be. I don't know. So they hit it off. They started becoming closer and closer, and then next thing I knew, they were traveling literally across the globe in search for dirt on Hunter Biden. That became like the big thing that my dad and Rudy were working on.

[Tim Miller]

In retrospect, it feels kind of like they probably didn't need to fly to Ukraine to find dirt on Hunter Biden. Like, Hunter had an illegitimate child. He's like doing meth, smearing poop on pictures and selling it to people.

[Karen McCaskey]

I was gonna say, like selling really expensive paintings. I feel like selling expensive paintings is a pretty good way to know that somebody's doing some sort of fraud. Was Hunter ever doing crypto? Did you ever have Hunter buy.

[Aaron Parnas]

I don't know anything about Hunter.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so they're traveling to Ukraine. Did you ever go to Ukraine?

[Aaron Parnas]

No.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so they were traveling to Ukraine, just like fucking Keystone Cops running around Kyiv asking people if they've met Hunter Biden.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, going to brothels.

[Tim Miller]

Do you or anyone you know, have any of you met Hunter Biden?

[Aaron Parnas]

It was really odd. I mean, I personally, like, wanted to not be a part of it as much as I can. So I literally didn't ask any questions. Tried to stay out of it as much as I can because I just wanted my dad and I didn't.

[Tim Miller]

So we had Mooch Jr. On last week. This was unintentional for him to be back to back, but so he got kind of into the Trump thing for a minute. He was doing stop motion videos for the campaign, apparently. Did you Have a moment of liking Trump back in the OG OG, I.

[Aaron Parnas]

Guess back in 2015, I had a moment where it was kind of like, oh, this is someone new. This is someone different. I knew nothing about politics and was never really involved, so I was like, this guy's kind of just talking and telling it like it is. And when you grow up in a household where Fox News is a playing on repeat, it's kind of all you knew.

[Karen McCaskey]

Wait, but you already had, like, three graduate degrees by then, right?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, but I wasn't really in politics. I was trying to be a lawyer. So I was working at my local public defender's office at the time.

[Karen McCaskey]

Got it.

[Tim Miller]

That's cute.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

I'm looking at pictures of you right now. Okay. So your dad's flying around, getting mobbed.

[Karen McCaskey]

Up with Rudy Hunt for Hunter, baby.

[Tim Miller]

You're a little Hunter for Hunter. Carmen Sandia going for Hunter hookers, and you're just, like, hanging out legally.

[Aaron Parnas]

I am in law school at the time.

[Tim Miller]

You're like the Doogie Howser of law.

[Aaron Parnas]

School a little bit.

[Tim Miller]

This is a lot of Gen Z references happening on the Gen Z podcast.

[Aaron Parnas]

I can't say Doogie Howser is a Gen Z reference. It's a bit of a Boomer reference, but it's okay.

[Karen McCaskey]

That's Neil Patrick Harris, right?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, that's Neil Patrick Harris.

[Karen McCaskey]

Happy pride, everybody.

[Tim Miller]

NBI age. Okay. And so then he comes back, that shit unravels, Trump gets impeached. What are you thinking about during all that time? Your dad's like, did you guys have people outside your house?

[Aaron Parnas]

Were like, cameras? Yeah, I mean, I had reporters kind of sliding notes under my door trying to take pictures of me on the way to my law school. They were obviously outside of my dad's house, but I was living in D.C. he was in Florida at the time, so it was very separate. But when Trump got impeached, my dad was under indictment at that point, so it was a very different kind of father son relationship and family dynamic.

[Tim Miller]

Different moment. Well, the good news was you were about to be a lawyer, so he was gonna be in need of some legal counsel.

[Aaron Parnas]

The one thing I don't do is work for my family.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. And so then his flip happened. So I gotta be. I'm just worried it's gonna be candid here. This is real talk in the podcast. I was kind of skeptical of your dad's flip.

[Aaron Parnas]

Sure.

[Tim Miller]

You know, I was kind of like.

[Karen McCaskey]

Oh, wait, he scare moochied.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, yeah.

[Karen McCaskey]

My man.

[Tim Miller]

Hardcore. Good shit, dude. Hard, hard, hard. Mooch Flip. And on that one, I was kind of like, I don't know. This guy is flying around Ukraine. I don't know what's happening here. It feels a little. Feels a little fake, a little scammy.

[Aaron Parnas]

I think the moment my dad flipped, I remember it because my dad actually called me from inside the Alexandria Detention Center. He was behind bars for about two weeks awaiting bail and bond and whatever. And he said, aaron, I got a note card or a postcard slipped under my jail cell, and it was from Rudy. And it said, oh, something to the effect of, like, paul Manafort. You have a good lawyer. At the time, my dad's lawyer was the person who repped Paul Manafort. And they were like, oh, Paul only got five or seven years. You'll be fine. Essentially, something like that. And my dad still has that postcard to this day, and it's signed by Rudy from the White House. It's like this whole. It's like straight out of a movie. And in that moment, he was like, I'm.

[Tim Miller]

It's on, like, White House stationary, I think.

[Aaron Parnas]

So it has, like, a White House symbol at the top. It was very odd.

[Tim Miller]

Don't worry, bro. If you just take one for the team here, it'll only be a short 5 to 7. With good behavior, you know, we'll have you out in four and a half. It was very odd bracelet, huh? And then how. So how long did he end up having to do that?

[Aaron Parnas]

He ended up. He was sentenced to 20 months. He only ended up serving about three months behind bars because of COVID and stuff like that, so that he got early release, but he was on house arrest.

[Tim Miller]

Did you make any jail friends?

[Aaron Parnas]

I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

You don't know come back?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I did not ask him that.

[Karen McCaskey]

Did he come back jacked with a bunch of tattoos?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, he did not. He's only been in there. He was only in there for two and a half, three months.

[Tim Miller]

So we should have had Lev on at the same time. Wow, okay. And so then when during this process, were you like, all right, I don't want to be a Supreme Court justice anymore. I want to be a TikTok creator.

[Aaron Parnas]

That wasn't until last year. Oh, really?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, I didn't start TikToking until 20, 22, way after my dad was already indicted, going to trial, all that jazz. And it wasn't until Russia invaded Ukraine. We saw it. Family in Ukraine. So I would be hearing from them on the ground what they would be seeing outside of their window. And then I Would just kind of report on it on TikTok and blew up to a million followers in a week. Did that for six months. Got completely banned on TikTok after being mass reported the Chinese, the Russians, and then went and clerked Freight Trust the Russians. No, I mean Trump does.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, that's true. Well, he's stupid.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so then you got off and clerked.

[Aaron Parnas]

Then I got off, clerked for a federal judge, and then restarted middle end of 2023, I guess. Or 2020, early 2024. And then now I'm doing it full time.

[Karen McCaskey]

You see, you can't say shit like this because now Tim and Bulwark are gonna expect me to be pulling those numbers while I'm doing my fucking content creation. I'm trying, dude. I'm swimming in your wake. I'm doing the selfie videos over the tweets where I'm provid. You went to law school. And I dropped out of Columbia after a semester and a half and went and worked for a Hollywood producer for two years. But I don't know, I think I'm kind of slaying not to.

[Aaron Parnas]

You're doing great.

[Karen McCaskey]

Thanks so much, Doc. So Lev Parnas, I'm gonna have to give him a Google. He is the man who single handedly defeated the Biden regime. Although Joe ended up doing the pardon Freehunter.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, my dad did apologize to Hunter on national television on msnbc.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know if he needed to do that.

[Karen McCaskey]

Sorry, Hunter.

[Tim Miller]

He should. You know, for our democracy, maybe he should apologize, but, like, Hunter probably deserved it.

[Aaron Parnas]

Listen, my take on it all is that I actually don't think Hunter deserved it, but.

[Tim Miller]

Really?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, I don't. I mean, I think that he was put in a very shitty situation. Like, was he. Did he do good things in life? No, but ultimately he was totally scamming. But he's the president's son. He's not the president.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I know, but he had no reason to be on the board of Burisma. Like, he had no experience. He has a child, but he's not parenting.

[Karen McCaskey]

Is Burisma not like the name of a Jewish holiday?

[Tim Miller]

No, Burisma is the name of the company. He was on the board of that. I guess Lev was going through the trash can outside the headquarters in Kyiv. I think he kind of deserved it.

[Karen McCaskey]

Wait, do you guys remember in the 2020 campaign that time where they got leaked texts from Joe to Hunter and they were using them to attack Joe, and the texts were like, hello, my dear son, I love you. And I miss you. Your beautiful granddaughters are doing great and we all can't wait to see you. And everyone was like attacking Biden for being like a good dad. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Tim Miller]

I do remember that.

[Aaron Parnas]

I think I remember that. Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Some of those leaks were bad. I haven't found this picture of you and Trump yet, but I do have this picture. We'll put it up on the screen here of you and Joe Biden in the White House. Is Joe. Is Joe Biden. You can look at it right here.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, that was back in December.

[Tim Miller]

Is Joe Biden alive in that photo?

[Aaron Parnas]

He is. He was. He was sharp.

[Tim Miller]

Was he sharp?

[Aaron Parnas]

He was sharp.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. He looked good.

[Aaron Parnas]

He looked good. Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Do you guys have a little repartee?

[Aaron Parnas]

No.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, did he threaten. Does he threaten to attack?

[Aaron Parnas]

It wasn't a long conversation.

[Tim Miller]

Attack Jake Tapper?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, no.

[Karen McCaskey]

Did you guys address the elephant in the room? Were you like, hey, by the way, my dad was one of the.

[Aaron Parnas]

We did not have time to talk about all that. It was only about a two minute meeting.

[Tim Miller]

Hmm. So he didn't Google you either. It's another thing. Just another thing Cameron, Joe Biden had in common.

[Karen McCaskey]

Sleepy Cam, baby, I'm very sleepy right now. I had a very early train.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, well, I want to get into the divorce here. Is there anything else? Any other origin story elements we missed?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I mean, I think that's it, I guess.

[Tim Miller]

Why do you. I was going to wait till the end to do this, but I'll do this because we want to keep people engaged and watching before we get to the good stuff, which is the first gay divorce of Pride. And the audience, what kind of audience are you getting there on TikTok, do you think?

[Aaron Parnas]

Because my mother in law, in terms of like demographics.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Ann Jamison, she's a big fan of yours. We love Ann. We honor her. She's a retired teacher. Yeah. Shout out to her. Watches you all the time, asks me what I think about you. Said I've never met him before. She'll be very excited that we've got to meet right now.

[Aaron Parnas]

So half of my audience, she's a.

[Tim Miller]

Liberal teacher in rural West Virginia. And so it's not like, are you here?

[Aaron Parnas]

Kudos to her.

[Tim Miller]

Is that your audience?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I mean, half my audience is under the age of 40. Really? Most of them are young people between the ages of 25 and 34.

[Tim Miller]

They're kind of like dorky guys or like women. What kind of.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, it breaks 60, 40 women. To men.

[Tim Miller]

Who's saying hi to you on the street? I don't want. You don't. Don't get your nerd stuff out with your staff.

[Aaron Parnas]

It's truly all of the above.

[Tim Miller]

You're walking down.

[Aaron Parnas]

You're walking down the mall. I have right wing. I have Republicans following me who message me all the time saying, listen, I don't necessarily agree with what you put out, but I respect it.

[Tim Miller]

Okay?

[Aaron Parnas]

I have centrists following me. The far left doesn't really like me.

[Tim Miller]

So what'd you do to them?

[Aaron Parnas]

I didn't do anything to them. For some reason, they just don't really like me. But that's.

[Tim Miller]

Are you for a one state solution in Israel? Is that why they don't like you?

[Aaron Parnas]

I am not for a one state solution.

[Tim Miller]

I am for a two state solution. Is it far left antisemitism you think that's gonna be?

[Aaron Parnas]

I think a part of it is.

[Tim Miller]

A little bit of that.

[Karen McCaskey]

I kind of feel irrelevant because I spent so much time with the far left. I hang out with the far left people on Twitter, the crazy people who freak out about you. And I don't get any anti Semitism from them. And I'm like, I feel like they don't even know that I'm Jewish and therefore do I matter?

[Tim Miller]

Start wearing a kippah.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, that might be it. I mean, when I posted about the Colorado Boulder attack and said how horrible it was, I got comments saying, you should be next.

[Karen McCaskey]

So, oh, my God.

[Aaron Parnas]

And it wasn't necessarily only from the right.

[Tim Miller]

Here's the thing, and we have that. There's just something. We'll get into this maybe with the anxiety on the far left crowd because, you know, a lot of them, their hearts are in the right place, but it's just they're very annoying. And like I had on the pod this week, Rahm Emanuel and Matt Iglesias back to back. Not. Not any.

[Aaron Parnas]

The far left. Yeah, these are.

[Tim Miller]

These aren't people that like, obviously, if you're a socialist, if you're like really loving Zo run, you probably don't like Matt Iglesias and Ron that much. And I get that's cool, you know, But I have them on and like our listeners that don't like them complaining. Tim, why are you having these people? They're so annoying. I'm like, guys, just like, let. Let Matt Iglesias cook, man. He just wants Democrats to win. All right? Get off his back. When I have, you know, when I had Mehdi on or something, us Normie centrists. There aren't people being like, why are you going after him? Like, like, we have real lives.

[Aaron Parnas]

We have a big time party.

[Tim Miller]

Normal. Yeah, normal centrists are just kind of hanging out, like going, drinking some wine.

[Karen McCaskey]

And they're not like commenting, I love Mehdi, man. I went to a debate that was Israel, Palestine at the New York Society for Ethical Culture. Sounds like some shit that, you know.

[Tim Miller]

Sounds like lib shit.

[Karen McCaskey]

Sounds like lib shit. It was him versus this guy Elon Levy, who was making some pretty batshit arguments. And he kept on asking Mehdi to denounce Hamas. He was like, do you denounce Hamas? Do you? And Mehdi kept going, yeah, I was actually denouncing Hamas like 10 years ago. Like, you can look it up. So then at the after party, which was really tense because that debate series was normally like people debating about how much money should go to the library or various issues. This was Israel, Palestine, and the after party was both of the people who were debating. So it was this room filled with these Zionists who supported Elon Levy and these pro Palestine people who were there with Mehdi. And I bump into Mehdi and he says one thing to me which is, oh, I didn't think you were that tall. And I'm not even. I'm 5 10. Like, that's very.

[Tim Miller]

You're a little taller than you give off.

[Karen McCaskey]

Thank you.

[Tim Miller]

Online.

[Karen McCaskey]

Yeah, but I was just.

[Tim Miller]

Did you ask him if he condemned Hamas?

[Karen McCaskey]

Well, no. So there was a plate of. There was a plate of like hors d' oeuvres and there was hummus on it. And I was like, mehdi, I need you to denounce that for me.

[Tim Miller]

So, yeah, I don't know, I just think our people are a little more chill. It's good though that you're our people. I speak for myself. I know that you're a far left radical that wants to overturn capitalism camp. The, like, the fact that you're just succeeding, that's good because that's not conventional wisdom. Conventional wisdom is to do well with the Youngs these days, you gotta either be in Charlie Kirk a fascist, or you've gotta be like Cam's boy Hasanabi talking, what up? Go far. Leftist stuff. And there's kind of a view that you can't succeed as a content creator just like doing normal lip shit.

[Aaron Parnas]

There's a third way, so to speak, and that's just giving them facts and.

[Tim Miller]

It'S working for you.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, they just want to know the truth. They just want to Know sex.

[Karen McCaskey]

That's the third way. That's also what I say when I'm explaining to Tim that bisexuality is real. Happy fucking pride, everybody.

[Tim Miller]

I'm still pretty skeptical.

[Karen McCaskey]

Speaking of pride. Hey, everybody. On this episode of the FYpod, we want to celebrate pride by talking about the first gay, messy breakup of Pride season. Homosexual icons Donald Trump and Elon Musk. I don't know if you all saw this, but Elon Musk did accuse Trump of being in the Epstein files. And all I can say is that while I feel like all of us were surprised at that, the more we think about it and look back, the more we're like, no element of this.

[Aaron Parnas]

Is surprising, but it shouldn't have been surprising. We knew he was in the Epstein files. He was on the call logs.

[Karen McCaskey]

Well, it was just like.

[Aaron Parnas]

Or the fake logs.

[Karen McCaskey]

There's been this weird thing with the Epstein stuff for me, and I'm sure many other people feel the same way, where it's like, culturally, we really let the Epstein shit slide. We did, in fact, find out that there was a giant pedophile Gilligan's island happening, and probably some of the most elite politicians in the country and the world were there. And I feel like more people got pissed that Rachel Zegler played Snow White than they did about Pedophile Island. And then Epstein didn't kill himself. Became such a meme that that became the Epstein thing. And we were like, wait, there's information showing us who was there. And we all kind of ignored it. But I feel like everyone kind of knew Trump was on it. Everybody knew Trump, Elon was Gonn, and everyone knew it was gonna be messy. So a day later, when I look back at the Epstein thing, I'm like, no, that wasn't really a surprise.

[Tim Miller]

I've been on this for a fucking minute. And I think it's a huge mistake of the left that they allowed the Epstein didn't kill himself conspiracy to be coded as, like, a right wing view when it's like, Trump was president. When Epstein died in jail, Trump was at his press conference talking about how much he loves Ghislaine Maxwell. Or however you say that name, Ghislaine Maxwell. And, like, how he wishes her the best. Like, there's pictures of Trumpet. They're hanging out. Like, I was like, how did this conspiracy that, like, they were trying to cover up what happened turn out to be, like, right wingers saying that Hillary and the Deep State were doing it? It's like, if there was a culprit here, if Someone's covering up what Epstein knew. It seems like Donald Trump is the prime candidate.

[Karen McCaskey]

Who was the Trump administration nutbag recently? Was it Bongino? Who was. We have video that proves that Epstein was alone in killing himself, Right?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, it was Bongino, which makes you think he's in on it now.

[Aaron Parnas]

But why arrest him then? Because Trump's DOJ arrested him.

[Tim Miller]

Hmm. That's an interesting counterpoint.

[Karen McCaskey]

This is what happens when we have a lawyer come in.

[Tim Miller]

Well, maybe. Well, maybe the Trump DOJ in term one, was just, like, doing shit without intervention from the White House. And then once Trump realized that they had the man in jail, he was like, I gotta off him.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, take care.

[Tim Miller]

I gotta snuff this guy out.

[Aaron Parnas]

That might be it. I don't know that Pam Bondi would have done it.

[Tim Miller]

Bill Barr was in then.

[Aaron Parnas]

Bill Barr. Was it Bill Barr? Was it Jeff Sessions?

[Tim Miller]

It was Bill Barr.

[Aaron Parnas]

Bill Barr.

[Tim Miller]

It was Bill Barr's AG when he died. And there. There are some connections. Bill Barr's dad, I guess, hired Jeff Epstein to be a teacher. A teacher at a school. So, I don't know, maybe some shit was going on back then.

[Karen McCaskey]

My question is, which prominent person in the Democratic world is on the list? Because there's no way. It's just a MAGA thing.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, Bill Clinton.

[Karen McCaskey]

I know, but I didn't want to say that to the Bulwark audience who might still have fond memories of the saxophone days. But, yeah, it's like, I saw somebody. Ken Klippenstein had a really funny tweet that was like, I hope you're all having fun with this on Twitter, because soon enough, Hillary's going to tweet about it and it's not going to be funny anymore. And I was like, I don't think Hillary's gonna tweet about it. I don't think Hillary will have comment on this, because if the list comes out, there might be some news.

[Tim Miller]

Hillary might tweet about it in a different way, though, because, I mean, the Epstein thing was obviously the part of the breakup that was, you know, the most messy.

[Karen McCaskey]

So. The most messy part so far.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, the most messy part. The most brunch part. You know, the topic that you might want to most talk about at a gay brunch, if your two friends broke up because one of them was doing too much ketamine and the other one was being too cunty and spending too much of the family resources. Like, it's a pretty. It's a pretty common story. I don't know how many gay brunches you've been to? But. And just as a quick aside, I am pretty. It's pretty shocking to me that the most prominent figure to be known for doing ketamine and meth at the same time ended up being a heterosexual. I think the odds of that are very, very unlikely. Hillary hasn't tweeted about this, though. But I do think that Hillary might want to weigh in on the part that Elon thinks that Donald Trump should be impeached and removed. I mean, Elon has gone full. Have you even called for that? No, he's gone full, like, past the Never Trumpers. He speedruns past everybody. He's like, I think that we should remove Donald Trump for the presidency.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, if Trump is on the Epstein documents more than we know, then maybe we should open up impeachment proceedings. Pardon me in some way, but is that a high crime and misdemeanor that he committed while in office? No, he didn't do that while in office. He did that.

[Tim Miller]

What about the crypto stuff? We could impeach him over that.

[Aaron Parnas]

For what?

[Tim Miller]

The fact that he's taking bribes. Is it not a high crime misdemeanor for the president to take bribes in the White House?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, but good luck impeaching him in this House or in that Senate.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, yeah. Well, no, it's not gonna actually work, but it might be funny to introduce the Elon Musk articles of impeachment.

[Aaron Parnas]

That would be hilarious. But for the record, every time a president's impeached, their approval ratings skyrocket.

[Tim Miller]

So you don't want to do that.

[Karen McCaskey]

I have two.

[Aaron Parnas]

I'd rather beat him in the midterms.

[Karen McCaskey]

I have a question for. For law expert Aaron Parnas right now, which is, do you think there's any chance. Because this is my kind of tinfoil theory as to what might happen. This is my. This is just the back of my head talking, but I feel like in Trump 2, anything's possible. Do you feel like Trump is gonna be like, you know what? I'm gonna release the Epstein files to show you all that I'm not in them, and then just released a list of his enemies, like a completely doctored Epstein files, where he just puts Bill Clinton, like, all of the Never Trumpers and everything, and he's like, boom, that's the Epstein files. And then maga, once people call it out for being bullshit, maga's gonna be like, that's fake news.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, nothing stops him from doing that. But one thing that. Not enough people are talking about is that Elon Musk saying Donald Trump is in the Epstein files means that Elon Musk, as a government employee, probably saw parts of the Epstein files that are currently confidential and or classified, which means he may have just violated the law by putting that tweet up because you're not allowed to share government documents and government information.

[Karen McCaskey]

But how does that relate to Doge's constant access to shit that's classified? Is it a different type of classified?

[Aaron Parnas]

I don't know what the classification level of the documents are, but presumably they're confidential DOJ documents. You can't just release them if you have information. You can't just say what's in them, because the DOJ is still investigating Epstein's people connected to Epstein. And so you can't. Theoretically, if Donald Trump is listed in them as bad as Musk says, then he would be a potential criminal defendant. And Musk tweeting that would prejudice Donald Trump's criminal case.

[Tim Miller]

Speaking about illegal things Elon Musk has done, what do you think about the, you know, now Bannon people are pushing to deport him because he was an illegal immigrant once, which I think is true, that he was an illegal immigrant once, but I feel like maybe the statute of limitations has expired on that.

[Aaron Parnas]

I actually don't think the statute of limitations has expired because in terms of, I think, and I'm not an immigration attorney, so I don't want to be quoted, but.

[Tim Miller]

But you were the Doogie Howser of.

[Aaron Parnas]

Law school when it comes to, like, immigration removal proceedings. You could have. Because they're deporting people who came into this country undocumented 20 plus years ago right now. So I actually don't think there's a statute of limitations for deportation proceedings. But with that said, do we really want to be deporting people like Elon who theoretically are directly making our space?

[Tim Miller]

I want to answer that question like a lawyer. I'm going to be very specific. I do not want to be deporting people like Elon, but Elon, who committed those immigration, who broke those immigration laws. I might want to deport Elon, though.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, so here's my question to you. Just Elon, if you're a Democrat running for Congress and Elon says, I want to help fund your campaign, what do you say?

[Tim Miller]

I think I'm a no on it. And here's why. I'm interested in both of your guys take on this. I'm usually big tent man, but there are a lot of theories of the case going about Elon, you know, like what motivated all this? And you know, I think some people in anti Trump world want to say that, like, oh, that was corruption and he wanted money for his companies or he wanted carrots. Swishers pushed the idea that he wanted the data for his AI that he can get from government. And I am kind of the view that Elon has his brain, his brain was broken by his kid being trans and by being on ketamine and on Twitter 20 hours a day and that he's been radicalized and that he's gone insane. And I guess if he wants to donate to me, I'm not going to give him his money back, I guess. But I don't want to be associated with Elon because he seems to be an unstable, insane individual. And I think that if you try to find a unifying theory of all of his behavior, I think that is better than any of the other ones.

[Karen McCaskey]

I feel like the major case study we have is what happened in Wisconsin and I think we've gotten a lesson that people fucking hate Elon Musk. So if I were a Democrat and I had seen the success, I mean, seeing the crowds at the Bernie AOC Fight Oligarchy rallies, I would say it might be a better idea to remain the Fight Oligarchy party and not be taking money from us. Cuz another thing that's important to note as all of this shit goes down is that there are still billionaire puppeteers controlling Trump's agenda. Right? Peter Thiel is still out there, the big tech guy.

[Tim Miller]

Also turns out Peter Thiel Epstein invested in Peter Thiel's thing that came out this week.

[Karen McCaskey]

Sounds about right.

[Tim Miller]

Trump's pen feel like boys, not girls.

[Karen McCaskey]

Trump's oligarchy puppets are still oligarchy puppeting, right? It wasn't just Elon. Elon was just able to get so much fucking attention by being such a joker black pill freak that everybody was able to understandably give so much attention to what he was doing. But I can only hope that the Democrats remain the fight Oligarchy party and were able to find a bunch of the oligarchs who are controlling Trump right now and say, by the way, this is still happening. It's just not as easy a target as that.

[Tim Miller]

Isn't that case undermined by this? That like he's not. I just don't think that he's. That anybody's controlling anybody.

[Aaron Parnas]

I really don't think anyone's controlling Trump. I mean, I really think that he is so emboldened and so just like it's not that anyone's controlling him. It's just I don't think he cares about 98% of things that are happening in the federal government. Right? Yeah. They can do whatever they want. And then the 2% of things that he does care about, like his public image, with this budget bill, he's gonna make a point on it, which is what he's doing.

[Karen McCaskey]

I feel like there is a puppeteer doing his crypto shit, and that's definitely something he cares about.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Aaron Parnas]

I don't know.

[Karen McCaskey]

You think Trump just got really into shitcoins?

[Aaron Parnas]

I think he's just, A, it makes him money, and B, he likes pissing off the left.

[Tim Miller]

I think. Well, I just think maybe we're just like. The word puppeteer maybe is just not maybe precise. And my view is more like Trump's like, oh, fuck, I can make a bunch of money on these shitcoins. Cool. And then, like, the guys that are making a bunch of money are like, oh, by the way, you also should deregulate crypto. And can you also take all the people that Biden was investigating who were, like, Chinese crypto magnates and, like, stop investigating them? And, like, your part of the deal is that you get to keep making money? And he's like, cool.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, for all we know, Barron Trump is running his meme coin. We don't really know Baron.

[Karen McCaskey]

You are. This is the Gen Z show.

[Aaron Parnas]

Come on out.

[Tim Miller]

We should have Baron Millennials or Aiden Ross. Do you know Aiden Ross? He's from South Florida. We could maybe get Aiden and Baron.

[Karen McCaskey]

We did do an episode where we talked about Aiden Ross. It doesn't seem like I would want to know Adin Ross, but Baron, you know, he's six, eight, Slovenian. I want to be around him to tell him to put a fucking basketball in his hands. Like, you're a Nuggets fan. You've seen Jokic at his shit. Like, Baron Trump should be a basketball player and also denounce his father and.

[Tim Miller]

Run as a leftist set of video games or crypto. It would have been better to do basketball, probably.

[Karen McCaskey]

Have you seen all the pictures of him looking, like, super, you know, broody and kind of Bruce Wayne darkness and everything? And those memes that are like, ooh, I just know that there's some NYU Tisch girl ruining his entire fucking life right now. Baron, you're invited to Fypod. We're super nice and affable.

[Tim Miller]

And look what happened to Aaron. He rejected his father's choices, and now they've all come Back around, you know, so there could be a happy moment for you, Baron. You never know.

[Aaron Parnas]

We'll see, right?

[Karen McCaskey]

Scaramucci Jr. Aaron Parnas. It only makes sense that next week we have Mr. Baron Trump on.

[Tim Miller]

It's worth it.

[Aaron Parnas]

Wait, is that who you had last week?

[Karen McCaskey]

Anthony Scaramucci Jr. Was our guest. He showed us. He showed us his anime waifu body pillow, which I was familiar with because I sleep over at his place all the time. And that's in the guest room, the anime waifu body pillow. But speaking of all that stuff, Elon's definitely gone black pill. I agree with you, Tim, that the Elon arc. I mean, the thing is, the Elon going crazy arc did play out live over Twitter. It's not like overnight he started becoming a crazy black pill shit poster. It crescendoed. And it went from him tweeting in 2018, like, hey, everyone, Tesla has the wokest policies possible for gay people to him calling anybody who holds another dude's hand a groomer at this point. So I do think it was a blackpillization.

[Tim Miller]

I want to get this into, like, kind of the. Is there any potential useful wedge here for Democrats? Like, Democrats struggled with, like, there's a group of younger men who, like, are attracted to, like, the, whatever, the techization of Trump. Like, Trump, like, Trump added some new people into the coalition this time from 2020. It was a lot of younger guys who, like, aren't really that ideological, but, like, they're online and, like, they thought Elon was cool. And, like, they listen to the bro podcast and, like, do you think Elon turning on him might, like, break through in a way that, like, dorky Hakeem Jeffries can't, you know, I don't think so.

[Aaron Parnas]

And the reason why is because a lot of those people who voted for Trump because of Elon or because of the techie stuff, like, they don't care what's happening in politics. I bet you half of them don't even know that, Elon.

[Tim Miller]

But they know this is happening now. They know about this.

[Karen McCaskey]

All of my bro friends texted me about this.

[Tim Miller]

You were getting 2 million views on TikTok. Who do you think those people are, man? People are talking about this shit.

[Aaron Parnas]

I wouldn't be surprised if in two months time, like, they're back and they're fine. So it's like, it's. I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

Well, sure. I just think that, like, the two. And they're the two most famous people in the world, right? Like, maybe LeBron. I think they're more famous than LeBron now. They're too messy. Like, they're like. And so when you have a messy fight count fight between the two most famous people in the world, one's calling the other one a pedo. I think that breaks through. Let's see what happens.

[Karen McCaskey]

My bro. Friends who are not tapped into this shit were sending me those memes that were like, this is like Kendrick versus Drake. If they were both Drake.

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, I will say Twitter yesterday became what Twitter should have been and what Twitter used to be. And I think it was a nice day to be on the platform and.

[Karen McCaskey]

Watching the right wing cope with it, too, has been crazy. Like, there is no unified message across the Maga posters and everything. They're all saying completely different shit. And it's all kind of funny. And obviously, if it was less evil, it would be funnier, but it's been really interesting.

[Tim Miller]

Do you have a favorite piece of content yesterday?

[Aaron Parnas]

There's a tweet from Jack Posobiek that.

[Tim Miller]

He put out Pizza Gatejack.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, yeah. That he put out. I forget exactly what it says, but he tried to philosophize of why this is happening and just try to give a very nuanced and deep explanation.

[Tim Miller]

I saw this. It was about how this is how two alpha males die.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, something like that.

[Tim Miller]

I would be able to pull this up, but Pizzagate, Jack blocked me on Twitter a long time ago.

[Aaron Parnas]

Ken Klippenstein, I think, has a screenshot of it.

[Tim Miller]

Has a screenshot of it. Okay, that was a good one. I liked the two Drakes. And I also liked. My other favorite one was Trump's new policy towards white Afrikaners. And then it was a video of that guy doing the Kill the Boars dance.

[Aaron Parnas]

I saw that.

[Tim Miller]

It's like, the white Afrikaners are fucked.

[Aaron Parnas]

That was very funny.

[Karen McCaskey]

I saw one. People keep saying about the Elon versus Trump drama, the girls are fighting. You realize that's misogyny, right? And it's not clever. Mocking to egomaniacal billionaires shouldn't come at the expense of women. If your insult relies on misogyny, it's not the burn that you think it is.

[Tim Miller]

This is why we have Trump.

[Karen McCaskey]

It's just crazy because, like, most of the people I saw saying the girls are fighting were girls.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. This is why we have Trump, people. Chill out. Everybody chill out. All right, I want to get to this Nate Silver article I sent you guys. Do you have any Ice Talk? We have an event. This is why Cameron and I are together. We have A rally at the Supreme Court and an event tonight about, you know, in support of the lawyers that are defending Andre Hernandez Romero and the other Venezuelans that have been disappeared and kidnapped. And you were just saying that you did some ICE content. Do you have any ICE chat?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah. I mean, in Arizona, ICE officials accidentally detained a deputy U.S. marshal who's supposed to be protecting the courthouse because.

[Tim Miller]

What'd he do?

[Aaron Parnas]

Well, he just looked like the guy that they were trying to deport.

[Tim Miller]

Brown?

[Aaron Parnas]

I assume so.

[Tim Miller]

That doesn't seem great. This feels like I hate doing the, like, oh, could this break? But, like, I don't know, man. I feel like this world. You've got Elon shitting on Trump. You've got Joe Rogan being like, I don't think that we should kidnap people off the street. There's maybe something here.

[Aaron Parnas]

This is breaking through. I mean, I don't know if you saw in Missouri. There's a small town in Missouri. I think it's Kettleton or something like that. It's called something like that. And there was a local waitress at, like, the waffle shop, and she had been there for decades, and she. And this town voted. It's a farm town, voted for Trump 80% of the vote. And they detained her because she was undocumented or something, or something wrong with her visa. And within minutes, that entire town was like, anti Trump. They were so upset at the administration, and they were like, we didn't sign up to deport moms or our favorite waffle shop waitress.

[Karen McCaskey]

As ICE continues these crusades, there's gonna be more and more stories ofI mean, you know, all of these things are wrongful and, you know, without serious cause. But there's gonna be more stories of people getting detained where it just makes no sense because ICE ain't slick. So I think we're gonna be seeing more stories about people turning on Trump.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, for sure. And there are kids stories. Again, this stuff gets into communities in a way that some of the other Trump crazy stuff doesn't. You know, there's that story, and I wish I had pulled it up. I don't have it exactly right. But the kid was 18. He's about to graduate Massachusetts.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, yeah, he was just released.

[Tim Miller]

Was he released? Finally. Great. But, you know, he's an honors student. He's going to a volleyball tournament. He's from Brazil. He'd been here since he was 4. And, like, you know, I shackled him and put him in a fucking cell with 30 other people. And he's there for what, a Couple weeks?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, a couple weeks.

[Tim Miller]

And it's just like the other kids, people don't like this. You know, I think that, like, there is sometimes a view of, like, oh, Trump won because people are so racist. And, like, there are plenty of racist people out there. Don't get me wrong. Like, there's a subsection of Trump voters that, like, bought the bullshit. It's like, oh, we just gotta get out these gangsters and criminals and, like, fentanyl dealers. Like, that's what I'm for. And like, when the reality of, like, Goebbels, Miller, like, sending in the thugs to high schools to take out honor students, I feel like that lands in a way that some of this other stuff doesn't.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, it really galvanizes these communities. I mean, it doesn't matter what political party you were part of. A member of your community was just taken off the streets and is being potentially sent to a third world, like a third country around the world. I mean, I think that we've seen time and time again during Trump Won, the kids in cages, that really broke through. And I think that really changed the narrative heading into 2018 and really contributed to the blue wave at the time. I think this is going to be the same thing. People didn't sign up to deport normal, everyday people. They signed up to deport gangsters, fennel jailers. And I don't think anyone disagrees with that part of it.

[Tim Miller]

All right, since I'm the old man on the pod, I sent you guys homework. I'm the teacher. And your homework was you had to read an 8 Silver article. Sorry. Sometimes, you know, I got a lot of assignments.

[Karen McCaskey]

You've sent me two homeworks this week. One of them was watching some right wing freaks video. Was it the Bongino Report?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Karen McCaskey]

One of them was watching the Secretary.

[Tim Miller]

Of Transportation's kid as the new guest host on the Bongino Report?

[Karen McCaskey]

Yes.

[Aaron Parnas]

Are you serious?

[Tim Miller]

Oh, yeah. Duffy. Eliza. What's her name? Eliza.

[Karen McCaskey]

She's stunning and she is a huge slay. Slay queen. Although I did great commentary, Cam. Yeah, slay queen, it's pride. Fuck you. I get to use gay talk. Anyway, I watched the Bongino Report thing. It was like 44 minutes long. And then you sent me a Nate Silver article and I was like, that is the cruelest thing Tim has done to me this week.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, well, you would have gotten worse assignments had you stayed in college longer than a semester, Aaron. So what was your main. I have a specific thing in the article I wanted to talk to you about. But the gist of it was Nate, in his way, in his manner, was trying to explain why Dems are struggling with young men. What was your big takeaway?

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, the big takeaway I had was that I didn't like the way Nate Silver wrote, truth be told.

[Tim Miller]

Sorry, Nate.

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I mean, nothing against Nate. It's just. It sounded like I was reading a manifesto from a consultant. And not really. Just like I had to put into ChatGPT to understand half of it.

[Tim Miller]

Can ChatGPT please translate Nate Silver into.

[Aaron Parnas]

Normal into just like normal human speak.

[Tim Miller]

What was your takeaway once ChatGPT told you what Nate Silver's trying to say?

[Aaron Parnas]

Admittedly, that I think that Nate Silver was just trying to toe the line in the middle of, like, he didn't really give me much. I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

You didn't have any big takeaways, did you, Cameron?

[Karen McCaskey]

Well, we saw that the Democratic Party is now spending $20 million to learn how to reach young men.

[Aaron Parnas]

It's money well spent, Kim.

[Karen McCaskey]

It's crazy because, like, they should just give it to me and Tim because we're doing a pretty great job. But with this.

[Tim Miller]

I need a new pool.

[Karen McCaskey]

With this we could do.

[Tim Miller]

You could do selfie. Could do thought content from my new pool.

[Aaron Parnas]

What would you buy? $20 million.

[Karen McCaskey]

What would I buy?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah.

[Karen McCaskey]

Trump coin.

[Tim Miller]

You're get you a trainer. We're going to get you a fucking pool. And you're going to start doing selfie videos shirtless from the pool. And think about how much your engagement will spike. That's how you can compete with Aaron.

[Karen McCaskey]

Done.

[Tim Miller]

All right. You can't compete with him on content, depth of knowledge, legal expertise, thought videos, though that could happen for you.

[Karen McCaskey]

Thought brat Summer for Fypod is coming. Well, you were talking about this before we started recording this report that young men with better mental health.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, I'm read it to you and then you can reply. Here's the actual numbers. It's important to just get the number 6. This is what I found interesting. Interesting was that you asked people to self report their mental health. Excellent. Very good. Good. Fair. Poor. For people who said they had poor mental health, half of them said they were Liberal and only 20% said they were conservative. For people who said they had excellent mental health, these are young men. Half said they were conservative and only 20% said they were liberal. And I'm just curious what you think that says about those young men.

[Karen McCaskey]

I think it says that conservatism encourages compartmentalization. I know a Lot of conservative people who seem very blissfully unburdened by this cruel world. And part of that is because their conservative upbringing taught them not to embrace feelings and not to tackle them head on. But it taught them that having feelings is a feminine thing that ought to be rejected. And if something is making you feel lesser than if something is making you question things like your masculinity or things like the nature of this world, you ought to just shrug that off and focus on making money and watching videos of Adin Ross going to the gym or whatever the fuck he does.

[Tim Miller]

I think he plays video games.

[Karen McCaskey]

Yeah. I think that the conservative men have better mental health thing is because culturally, young men who are going to be more liberal are going to spend more time actually asking questions about their mental health and they're going to feel more comfortable exploring these things about their life. And it's a very difficult time to be a person right now. It's a difficult time to be a young person. So these young liberal men might be really feeling that in a way that conservative men might be feeling it in their innermost emotional truth, but not actually embracing.

[Tim Miller]

What do you think about that?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, I mean, for sure. I mean, I think most, I would say half of those conservative men polled that said that their mental health was great don't even believe mental health really exists. Right. Like, I don't think they've ever. Not just. Just never been to therapy, but don't even think that therapist.

[Tim Miller]

I would make fun of it.

[Aaron Parnas]

Right, exactly. So, and then that's kind of how, I mean, I grew up, right. Like, many people around me in like that conservative environment, they were like, why would you, like, if you want to go to a therapist, just go to your dad. Right? Like, you don't need to go talk to a third party person and not.

[Tim Miller]

Your dad because he wouldn't talk about feelings. Maybe your mom.

[Aaron Parnas]

No, I mean, it's literally your dad. So it's not surprising.

[Tim Miller]

But at the same, the SWAT turned out good. The idea of talking to my dad about my feelings is very scary. Mom. Good feelings, maybe.

[Karen McCaskey]

Happy pride, everybody. Tim turned out gay because he didn't talk to his dad.

[Tim Miller]

You know, too much mothering. Okay, so you think that it's just that. And I think that that is part of it. Part of what is happening here is that conservative young men don't actually, like, believe that there's mental health issues. And so they say, excellent, because, bro, I'm hard and whatever.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's a big part of it. I mean, there are other parts to it. I think that, like, I think liberal men are just more inclined to talk about our feelings and what's bothering us. And when you talk about what's bothering you, you sometimes spiral a little bit more and like your mental health does decline the more you kind of open up.

[Tim Miller]

I think you guys are half right. I'm with you on everything you said, but I think there's another element, and that is I'm four therapists. I love therapy. I had a great therapist when I was in Oakland. I'm crushing right now, so I don't need a therapist right this second. But any minute now I could crash out. You never know. And I can be right back in it. And I think that there are a lot of people that have legit mental health problems, maybe in this podcast, tbd. And I support all that. I just, I think that there's like a little too much therapy talk in liberal circles. And I think that it is negatively affecting people. Sometimes I feel like if you make everything about everybody's trauma, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy a little bit. And I worry, I worry and I just, I don't know, I think that there might be something that's a little bit more to it that people should, that libs should reflect on a little bit.

[Aaron Parnas]

I mean, maybe it's the thing that libs love to over normalize things. Like you can normalize things, but don't over normalize it. Don't go so far that people are turned off by what you're trying to normalize.

[Karen McCaskey]

Well, there's this other problem where there's a lot of self diagnoses happening, which is really annoying to me because I suffer from anxiety and a bunch of other things that are actually kind of debilitating sometimes and really affect my ability to be a person. And then people talk about how they're having a panic attack because they're like a little stressed. And I'm like, I'm having a panic attack and my lips are numb and I can't feel the tips of my fingers and I think that my lungs are caving in. Go fuck yourself. But this is what I'm saying. It's like a lot of people also think that the acknowledgement of what might be a mental health issue for you to say, oh, I think I suffer from depression and everything. They think that owning it and saying this is what's happening to me absolves them of the responsibility to actually go in and solve it. I do this all the time for me, by the way I will recognize a problem that I have and say this is something I really ought to fix. But then I will excuse myself from fixing it because I think that the recognition of the issue is enough. And people do it all the time. It's a common thing I see across all ages and the entire emotional maturity spectrum. People think that because they know something is wrong about themselves, that awareness means they don't have to actually go in and do something about it.

[Tim Miller]

I agree with that. Okay, two really quick rapid fire things. Then we'll do Boomer battle bag, then we'll get you out of here. Do you have advice to Dems on young guys? Like what they could do best?

[Aaron Parnas]

Just be normal, talk normal.

[Tim Miller]

Be normal like what? Be normal how?

[Aaron Parnas]

Just like stay on message. Just don't over normalize things, don't make things taboo to do. And just like not every politician has to say the F word every time.

[Tim Miller]

So you think too much F words are happening?

[Aaron Parnas]

I think too much F words are happening. I think staffers are like, Chuck Schumer shouldn't be tweeting out. What is it, the Taylor Swift song? It's not just Chuck Blood or whatever.

[Karen McCaskey]

It's not just Chuck. If you, if you are a fucking congressman watching, you don't have to be an influencer. Let the people who are good at it do it. Some of the biggest fucking dorks I've ever seen in politics, some of whom are personal friends of mine, so I ain't gonna call out any names, are making the cringest goddamn videos in the world. You don't need to be an influencer. Just because we need to reach people online more effectively doesn't mean it's your fucking job. Know your place.

[Tim Miller]

Do you agree with Cameron?

[Aaron Parnas]

Retweet.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, Retweet Cameron. Alright, let's do leave it to the experts guys, all right? Aaron and Cam, they got you, all right? We don't need Sheldon Whitehouse doing tech talks, all right? Leave it to these guys. All right? This wasn't on my list. I was curious since you said you were conservative. I get this question all the time. Is there something you've changed your mind on? You self identified as a lib a minute ago, so you've obviously changed your self identification. Is there an issue or is it just Trump sucks or is there something in particular that has evolved in you?

[Aaron Parnas]

It's lived issues. Like there was an instance a few years back when or five years ago when I didn't have healthcare and I had a health scare. And in that Moment I was like, well, one party wants to make sure I can afford this. The other party wants to make sure that I go in debt doing this. So it's like things like that. Like, I went to my local elementary school in inner city Miami, and I saw the disparities with what they had versus what I had growing up in my posh public school in Boca Raton, and it was a completely different thing. So I think lived experience is what changed me.

[Tim Miller]

Should you move home to Florida and run for Congress?

[Aaron Parnas]

Never.

[Tim Miller]

Why not?

[Aaron Parnas]

Because I don't like Florida.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. Where do you live right now? In D.C. should we move you out.

[Aaron Parnas]

To and run for Congress? No. Well, if the right. If the right position.

[Tim Miller]

How about up to New York? Run against Mike Lawler, that fucking pussy I hate. I'm sorry, we're not anymore. I'm sorry, I thought you said that.

[Karen McCaskey]

We got no more cursing, everybody.

[Tim Miller]

You could run against Mike Lawler or Mick LaLotte.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, no, I'm not a New Yorker.

[Tim Miller]

All right, are we ready? Anything else, Cameron, you have for him before we get to Boomer Mailback everybody.

[Karen McCaskey]

If you have a server at a restaurant who seems to have a developmental disability somewhere on the autism spectrum, get the card for the restaurant, give the manager a call and say, hey, by the way, this server was great. I send them my highest compliments. It's very important to them, and it's important that we make sure they get to keep working those jobs.

[Tim Miller]

That's so sweet.

[Aaron Parnas]

I didn't know where that was going when you started, but I really liked it.

[Tim Miller]

You cannot both. So sweet in the end. Okay, here we go. Boomer mailbag. All right. It'll be a rapid fire one. This is our first follow up from a Boomer mailbag from a previous episode. Susan, a Boomer. She wanted to let us know that in February, she asked us how she should behave at the Kendrick Lamar SZA concert. And we advised her to just be her fucking self. Let her freak flag fly. And so she did, and she had a great night. There were not many other boomers in the crowd, but she felt like everyone was very chill. And the only funny look she got was when she put in her foam earplugs. I want to say to you, Susan, I'm glad you had a great time. And I think you probably weren't even getting funny looks because people wear foam earplugs now because they want to preserve their hearing. Very normal. You're all good. Anything to add to that?

[Karen McCaskey]

Keel Kendrick, creator of the song Not Like Us with this Trump musk thing, you have the opportunity to do the funniest shit in the world. And ma' am, I'm glad you had fun at the conference, at the concert. Excuse me. Listen to me. Being Mr. Politics Slay Queen. And it's been a very fun episode. Thank you so much.

[Tim Miller]

All right, we have one more question. Laura a boomer? Actually, she doesn't say if she's a boomer, but it's a boomer mailbag, so we're assume she asked if we saw the New York Times story about young men calling up their friends to say nighty night. The headline of the story is can a man call another man to say good night? And what. What the story found was that at first the men freak out, but then it turns out they really like it. What are your thoughts on that?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, Call. Call. Call your male friend and say goodnight.

[Tim Miller]

Who cares? Do you have a male friend that you would call? Who would you call? If you had a male friend to say goodnight to, who would you pick?

[Aaron Parnas]

Probably my friend Ethan.

[Tim Miller]

Your friend Ethan?

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Is he from Boca?

[Aaron Parnas]

No, no, he's actually from dc.

[Tim Miller]

Okay.

[Aaron Parnas]

Works on the Hill.

[Tim Miller]

That's sweet. Yeah, I think you should do that tonight.

[Aaron Parnas]

I'll call him and say goodnight.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, that'd be cool. Cameron, what do you think?

[Karen McCaskey]

I'm part of an elite squad of alphas called Infinity gang, featuring Scaramucci Jr. Daveed, Alex, Matt and Jonah. And we have a rule, which is at the end of the phone call, we say love you. Even if it's a casual phone call. Not like we talked about any feelings or anything. Any call, love you, goodbye. And you know what? When I hear it, I feel good. I feel loved.

[Tim Miller]

I say love you to my straight bro friends too. I don't really like phone calls. I like in person connections. So the 90 night call is probably not great for me. Just try it. But maybe I should try it. Maybe you think I'm like, it'll make you feel a little better.

[Aaron Parnas]

Yeah, maybe.

[Tim Miller]

I just got to get out of my shell a little bit. I have some internalized homophobia still.

[Aaron Parnas]

I wonder how many.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know. I'm in a belly shirt tonight at the show. I don't even know what that is, that skirt. So I don't have that much homophobia. Okay. Anything else? Aaron, why don't you tell people people where they can. I know they've probably already found you since you have 80 million TikTok followers, but in case they haven't, well, yeah.

[Aaron Parnas]

Aaron Parnas won on TikTok and the Parnas perspective on Substack.

[Tim Miller]

I hear there's a battle happening between Lev and Aaron on the Substack charts.

[Aaron Parnas]

Is there? I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

I saw Lev posted.

[Aaron Parnas]

Oh, did he?

[Tim Miller]

About you and him both on the charts together. And I think it felt competitive.

[Aaron Parnas]

No competition.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. All right, everybody. This has been fypod. We did it in person. Is this our first one in person?

[Karen McCaskey]

It is. Happy Pride and we'll see you next week.

[Tim Miller]

Bye.

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