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Cameron Caske
On Hinge. For those of you who don't know, there are prompts. They give you questions to answer specifically, and you're supposed to give them a taste of your personality in that. One of them is. My cry in the car song is blank, so I put the national anthem.
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Tim Miller
Hey, y' all. I'm Tim Miller.
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Cameron Caske
I'm Cameron Caske, and this is Fy Pod. Tim. This week we got to hang out in person again, and it really made me sad about the fact that we have to do long distance because we always have such a good time hanging out.
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Tim Miller
Do you want to move to New Orleans?
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Cameron Caske
I know that someone asked you when they saw a picture of us, like, are you and Cam hitting the clubs tonight and everything.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, that is true. Not only just did someone ask me that, several people asked me that, including several people of both sexes hoping to see you at the club. So you're drawing a lot of interest. That's all I'm saying.
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Cameron Caske
Official announcement for Bullwark listeners. Tim goes out. Tim, you know, lives the life of somebody with a little bit of energy in him. I don't go out. You're not going to catch me out later than midnight. The latest I was up this week was for Bulwark Live on Friday, the Free Andre event. That was very inspiring and very funny and, yeah, you're not going to see me out. You will see Tim, though. But, Tim, when we're. When we're in person together, it's almost like we're not the huge pricks that we are on the show.
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Tim Miller
I don't know if that's true. I guess we'd have to ask Aaron Parnas about that. He might have felt like we were a little prickly, but it's all in love. It's all about. We're all vibing and bro. And sometimes I do get. I do feel like sometimes people aren't picking up that, like, you know, we tease each other with love. You know, it's fun.
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Cameron Caske
Like, that's how, like, think about the way you're talking to your boys. Anyway, whatever moral of the story is, we're having a blast. I'm moving to NOLA to go babysit Tim's daughter Toulouse, and also make podcasts with him.
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Tim Miller
Could be great.
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Cameron Caske
Not a great day in the country. Trump just sent 500 strong.
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Tim Miller
Transition. You're showing your podcast chops now. You're just, like, transitioning from, I'm moving to noaa. I'm gonna babysit. Bad day for the country, though. We have riots in Los Angeles. Very smooth. All right, continue.
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Cameron Caske
And Trump is now sending 500 Marines to go deal with it and suggesting that this wasn't something that LAPD and the state of California was going to be able to handle. And it's making a lot of people very concerned that Trump's use of active duty military against United States citizens is furthering what seems like a pretty clear agenda for seizing more power.
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Tim Miller
I'm excited to hear your take on this because I've done a couple of these today. The nice thing about the timing of this is, so since I've taped with Ta Nehisi Coates, who was great with Sam Stein, you know, as you mentioned, a couple of things have happened. Right? So now, officially, the Marines have been called in since. Since the last couple videos. Also officially, Gavin Newsom, who I was talking about earlier. I feel like Gavin's been pretty good the last couple days. I'm not a huge Gavin Stan usually, but he tweeted these pictures, which we'll put up on screen here, of the troops, like, sleeping on each other's butts, just men being men, head to butt. Because apparently Trump and Hagsoff sent them there without fuel, food, water, or a place to sleep. So far, it's not exactly dystopia with troops out there in the streets going after citizens, even though I think that's what Stephen Miller and Donald Trump want. But I think, as usual with the Trump folks, we have this kind of combination with scary and menacing, know, with incompetent and clownish, you know, kind of happening here simultaneously. More. There's more on the menacing side in this round, at least so far from what we've seen out there in la. But it's worth noting that they're not, you know, they're not exactly firing on all cylinders, so to speak.
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Cameron Caske
Well, tell me if I've got the right idea. So they go into Los Angeles, a city of immigrants with some of the most aggressive ice raids we've ever seen. People come out and protest, the cops show up. And there's this thing that happens when the police show up at protests. You see this at campus protests as well, where even when things are pretty peaceful, you know, I mean, it's hard to have a protest without a couple things going wrong. But generally, when there's a peaceful protest and the police show up, it's normally right around then that things start to get heated. And that calls into question the efficacy of the police as a force of de escalation. I don't think the NYPD at the Columbia protests, I don't think they were de. Escalating things. I think they were escalating. And when you see the LAPD at these protests, there's a very clear arc from people going out, people going out into the streets to defend fellow Los Angelenos, are they called?
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Tim Miller
Yeah, Angelenos. Yeah.
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Cameron Caske
People going out to the streets to defend their community, standing up. You know, there could be a story cherry picked here or there of somebody breaking a window or doing this or that, but. But a peaceful protest. And then police officers.
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Tim Miller
I mean, there were some rocks being thrown at the cops, so don't. We don't need to give them the clip on the peaceful protest. I just think there are obviously some dudes fucking around. Right. But, like, that doesn't make. Change your point.
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Cameron Caske
I don't think I was talking to somebody about this today. They were talking about how a bunch of stores got raided during the George Floyd protests. And I was saying that it's so important that you do not lump those two things into each other. People protesting, people peacefully protesting, which is part of how this country is supposed to work. There are going to be opportunists who exploit that and try to sow seeds of chaos and try to gain things for themselves. You know, breaking windows and stealing stuff from stores and everything. I think even people who mean very well and support the causes that are being protested, in their analysis of the protests, they lump these two types of people together, the protesters and the craven opportunists.
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Tim Miller
Like my buddy John Lovett tweeted from a protest that he was at yesterday, which is like, you know, there are a lot of golden doodles there. Looks like it might have been happening in West Hollywood, maybe. I don't know, probably exactly where it was, but there was some dancing, you know, no violence. Right. And so, like, all these things are happening simultaneously. There also were. You know, I've seen the videos of the dudes standing on top of the bridge over the highway, like, firing rocks down at the cop cars, which is not great, not ideal. I mean, you're probably gonna get arrested for that.
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Cameron Caske
Yeah. Speaking of things people should get arrested for, I have a video here, Katie, if you could throw it up of a police officer, as we'll see, very intentionally firing a rubber bullet at an Australian reporter. Did you see this?
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Tim Miller
Rubber bullets at protesters, moving them on through the.
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Cameron Caske
So she looks like she's being pretty peaceful right here. It looks like she's trying to hurt. Wait a second. What. What was. Why. Why did that cop shoot that at her?
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Tim Miller
And that dude just fired down on her. I mean, he just was like looking down range and smoked her with like.
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Cameron Caske
Now this is regular police de escalation behavior. I've got one more video to show you of, of riot control, crowd control, the police, you know, making sure everybody stays safe in the form of something that looks like it's from a Civil war horror movie. So you see, you got somebody on the ground here, and now the horses are starting to come in. Not unlike the episode Battle of the.
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Tim Miller
Bastards, freaking out the horses with some fireworks now.
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Cameron Caske
Oh my God. Oh, now they're trampling over him.
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Tim Miller
Okay, well, well, it might have been a horse error there, but then the, the cops started hitting them.
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Cameron Caske
No. And now, now they're circling the guy and. Oh, no, no, no, no. Stay down, sir. Yeah, this doesn't seem like de escalation. This seems like the cops doing what they were really sent to do, which was not manage the problem.
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Tim Miller
No, that's horrible. And I have always. All these issues have always been tough for me internally because on the one hand, fundamentally, I think that we need rule of law, we need law of order. I'm not like anti cop. I lived in the ghetto for a while, and let me tell you, folks in my neighborhood of all races were like, wishing that there'd be a cop come down the street from time to time just to. Just to make sure everybody knew that they shouldn't misbehave. And so there's a place for all that. At the same time, I was always kind of a libertarian, anti state violence, Republican, even back when I was a Republican. And so those two things are always at tension within me because it's like, that's like any. There's always the focus on the protesters, right? Like having, you know, the right balance. Right. Like the protesters, you know, should be strategic. The processors shouldn't overstep. Like the same is true with the police work. Like these guys. Like, that's crazy. Like, the idea of the guy like aiming his gun at that woman and shooting at her is insane. And hopefully she can sue the police department. And, and the scarier part, the, the horse video is scary because that was like, that felt like a group action. And the person on the ground did not seem in any way threatening. And sometimes, like, you see there's an extra piece of information. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying there's not a 0% chance that person had a gun or something, but like, there's no evidence of it from that video. And it looks like it's a coordinated attack. On a defenseless protester.
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Cameron Caske
Listen, people are going to talk about how there were cars set on fire. You shouldn't set cars on fire. It's unsafe. It could get people hurt. And if you're protesting, you're getting people hurt. You're doing the wrong thing. You're doing the opposite of what you should be doing. But one of the things that comes to mind is like, if protesters were setting cars on fire in Moscow to protest Putin's war, I feel like the people in America who are furious with these protesters would. Would be cheering on these Russians and they would be saying, no, yeah, it up. Cause as much damage as you can. Like, make sure the bad guys feel it. Make sure they really see the consequences of their fascist actions. Right? And Donald Trump goes in with ice to do jackboot criminal madness. And the city of Los Angeles response like, this is an example of people of the United States government around and finding out these people are, look, there are people being way too aggressive. There are people taking it too far.
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Tim Miller
And putting other people around because they want it, though.
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Cameron Caske
That's what I was going to say. There's people putting other people in harm's way. But also this is going to be the natural response when you go to a community of people and you start targeting them very, very, very often completely illegally.
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Tim Miller
If you want proof of this, it's not just far left podcaster and child crisis actor Cameron Caskey making this point. Literally, the Wall Street Journal editorial board made this point this morning. So, you know, it was inevitable that you were going to get to something like this. I'm curious, Cameron. That was a joke, everybody. He's an aspiring actor, but it was never a crisis actor. We've talked on this pod a bunch about how there's been a demographic concern about the people showing up to anti Trump protests. So far in Trump 2.0, we've got these no Kings protests coming on Saturday. I'll be at the one in New Orleans. Come say hey to me if you're out there. But when you go to most of these things or you watch them, it just tends to be an older crowd, different than 2016, different than March for Our Lives, different from Black Lives Matter. And there's kind of a question about why that is. I'm curious if you think this one will be different. I noticed that Hasan Piker was out there in his muscle shirt and his, you know, kind of bandana among the masses. He's more popular kind of on the far left among younger folks. I'm wondering if you Think there's something about this that might awake, you know, your peers.
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Cameron Caske
I know one Gen Z who was at the protest. I was asking him some questions about it today. He was really not around a lot of the more aggressive things that were happening. He said that it was really just sort of like an outdoor hangout where he was with people holding signs and, you know, calling for action. I think it's the same. We talk about why isn't Gen Z showing up to stuff like protests all the time. And it's. There's a so many different answers. I think this is a different story because while I don't have a headcount demographic chart of what this protest in Los Angeles looked like, this is the fabric of community, of a community that's being attacked. This is a city of immigrants that's being targeted, mind you. You know, the cities of immigrants in red states. And you bring this up. The cities of immigrants in red states where immigrants power the economy, where they build the community and everything. They aren't seeing this because they aren't.
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Tim Miller
The farm communities in northwest Iowa. Haven't seen them get raided yet so far.
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Cameron Caske
No, because they're not. They're not on the enemy's list. They're not people that Trump likes to, you know, cook fight with. Like, he likes to spar with. This. This is all a fucking political move. Sending ICE there in the first place was a political move to provoke a response like this and to escalate and to escalate and to escalate. Unfortunately, we haven't seen the beginning of where Trump's going to go with this, but I think this is a very important time to talk about how badly I did talking about this on MSNBC last night. I was so fucking that. Well, because they told me to prepare for three topics.
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Tim Miller
Okay.
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Cameron Caske
But then, you know, Ken Martin crying about David Hogg at the dnc.
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Tim Miller
Just quick aside on that topic. That's very concerning. That's very concerning.
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Cameron Caske
Let's circle back to that, because I want to. It was going to be that Trump Stein and the Biden lady Trump.
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Tim Miller
Is that the Trump, Trump, Trump ship name?
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Cameron Caske
It's like their online relationship name, Trumpstein. I made it myself. We're talking about those things. So I prepared. I did my homework. You know, I was reading articles about it. I was, I think, sending you some tweets about it as I was. And then I get there and of course they're covering the protests in Los Angeles. It's breaking news. And we're live. Like, I'm glad They were covering it and their commentary was excellent. I was on with Maya Wiley, perfect for that. Commentary was perfect for that. You know whose commentary wasn't fucking perfect for that was my stupid ass. Who could have said some very insightful things if I had any time to prepare. But I did not know that we were talking about the protests until we were already live and Eamonn asked me the first question. And for some reason, with Maya Wiley on, an expert in who fucking knows how many fields sitting right next to me, I get the first question. So if Maya had gotten the first question, I would have at least had enough time to calibrate myself to understand that this is what we were talking about.
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Tim Miller
But a lawyer, a civil rights activist, candidate for mayor, you know, she would have some relevant subject matter experience.
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Cameron Caske
Maya Wise, ask the plucky sidekick. That's what you should do. So I sounded like a fucking idiot. And I was already nervous about that appearance because throughout the day, while I had been preparing for the MSNBC hit that I thought I was doing, I was very sad. And this is the real topic of the episode, I guess, about a girl. There's been some trouble in cam paradise recently. And it's. It's. I'm kind of busted up about it. So I. And I'm trying to get over it. I'm trying to move past the situation, but I'm a very feeling Z person. I think regular listeners of the show know this. I feel a preponderance of feel, and dare I say, I feel quite a bit too much. So I was trying to distract myself from these romantic woes that are so embarrassing for me. It's not even worth getting into. No matter how you spin the story, I come out of it looking just like a fucking moron.
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Tim Miller
Okay, we will be getting into that, but just maybe not right now or. It's so raw a couple weeks from now.
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Cameron Caske
Yeah, let the dust settle. But while I was trying to get over it, I thought maybe I could distract myself just for the sake of it and download Hinge and what I found on Hinge.
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Tim Miller
This has been quite a whirlwind just before we get to Hinge, though. So you're nervous about the show because you're already emotionally unstable about the breakup. I guess my question is, why would you agree to Sunday night msnbc, not exactly the prime time for watching news these days, weekend evenings. Like, why. Why would you do that? If you were. If you were going through something, why didn't you just be like, hey, guys, sorry, I'll catch you Next weekend.
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Cameron Caske
Because that's my favorite show to do.
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Tim Miller
Because Ayman's your man.
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Cameron Caske
All three of them are great. Like, the prime time, that hour is. Is so fun. And you, like, sit around a table and there's a lot more room to be fun and hang out a little bit. Yeah, not last night, but every other time I do it with them. Like, it's. It's normally fun and. And I quite enjoy doing it. And I like doing news stuff where I don't have to do it from zoom. And I'm, like, sitting right next to my bed while I'm talking about fucking tariffs.
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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Cameron Caske
And I wanted to do it so much that I missed the Tony Awards anyway. What were you saying?
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Tim Miller
Okay. No, that's good. Okay, so that's. That makes sense that you would have done that. Tony Awards. Pretty gay. I guess I'd just say to you. Something to think about. Sorry.
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Cameron Caske
Sorry.
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Tim Miller
The game two of the finals blowout. Yeah. This is a bro pod. Something to think about going is you can always fall back on being the organizer of March for Our Lives. Something that I did a little cheat sheet for tv, you know, like, when in doubt, I fall back on being a former Republican and just kind of do my. Do my shtick. And so that's my. That's my coaching for you. Next time you're on the thing, you're on the middle of the thing, you can be like, yeah, Eamon, you know, this is something. And I had a little experience with this. And then you just go back and just don't really answer the question, talk about what you did, and then they move on.
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Cameron Caske
But being a former Republican, that's more of a contextualization. That is more of a. That more explains your perspective and why you come to the table the way that you do. Being like, yeah, you know that giant movement that millions of people are a part of? Yeah, I kind of started that. That was sort of me. Yeah, that's douchier than I used to be.
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Tim Miller
Well, you're gonna have to figure out a way to frame it a little less douchey, but we'll work on it. We'll work on it. Anyway, I got some tips for you for the next time you're stuck on TV or something you don't want to.
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Cameron Caske
I need help framing another thing to be less douchey.
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Tim Miller
Your hinge profile?
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Cameron Caske
No, that one. That's great. I'll read you my prompts too. But when people talk to me about having a podcast, like, I don't know how to be like no, no, no, no, no. It's not embarrassing. This one actually does pretty well. People really like this one. What do you say? Like, yeah, I'm a podcaster and I know that's sort of embarrassing, but, you know, I'm a pretty successful one.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, that's tough. There's no way around that.
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Cameron Caske
Do you, do you just. Do you just own it?
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Tim Miller
Yeah. I usually start by saying, like, it's kind of embarrassing to say that I'm a podcaster, but I am. Or I'm a content creator.
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Cameron Caske
I'm just gonna divert the attention.
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Tim Miller
I do content creation.
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Cameron Caske
Actually. No, no, no. Nothing about a podcast. I'm actually a school shooting survivor. Let's talk about that.
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Tim Miller
I'm a school shooting survivor turned content creator. I think at your age, it's less embarrassing. You can be like, look. Yeah, just like, look, I'm a content creator. We have a podcast. It's pretty good. I also have another real job, a day job, but I'm hop. I'm hoping to do so, so well in the content game that I don't have to work anymore. People vibe on that. I think that's fine. Isn't that the American dream now? All right, we'll workshop it. Hinge, your Hinge profile.
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Cameron Caske
So I'll show you guys. I'll read. Right on. Hinge. For those of you who don't know, there are prompts you can like. They give you questions to answer specifically and you're supposed to give them a taste of your personality in that. One of them is. My cry in the Car song is blank. So I put the national anthem, then it's my greatest strength. And I put virtue signaling. And then it's. I recently discovered that. And I put. Lyndon B. Johnson initially opposed the Civil Rights act of 1957 and worked to weaken it through amendments before ultimately voting for its passage.
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Tim Miller
I think if. Are you looking for feedback?
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Cameron Caske
If you'll give it to me. Keep in mind I. I only trust homosexuals so much on these matters.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, sure.
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Cameron Caske
Because I, I don't think you're out of. I'm using. For men. There's. There's some more effective.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, for men.
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Cameron Caske
So Hinge is my woman app.
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Tim Miller
The. I think you're knocking it out of the park in the first two. I don't know. I don't know if the third one. Third one feels a little. I feel like if you. I was a woman looking at that, I've gone from thinking that, like, you're kind of a funny, self effacing guy to think to now. You're like a funny self effacing, know it all. I've gone, I've gone. I've. I've. You've lost me a little bit on the third one. It's a little too.
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Cameron Caske
So I've recently discovered that. What should my answer be?
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Tim Miller
Well, I don't. I can't workshop.
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Cameron Caske
I am fully gay. Keep scrolling.
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Tim Miller
No, not that. We'll work on it, Alpha. Just give us some suggestions in the comments. Cameron has recently discovered what.
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Cameron Caske
Yeah, everybody. Or just hinge prompts in general. But I just wanted to say a couple notes before we wrap up. One thing I've noticed I. I'm very particular. I'm very like Larry David on Curb youb Enthusiasm when I'm talking to people in some sort of romance type way. Sometimes someone can be really attractive, but just the name ruins it for me. There's this really, really hot girl. Like if you're listening to this, you are a slay queen. Like you pop off. I'm so happy for you. If I met you and didn't know your name, I'd be enthralled. But her name is Brisbane and I'm.
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Tim Miller
Like a city in Australia.
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Cameron Caske
I know. I was like, okay, bye Brisbane. Go enjoy having good gun control, Brit. And then another story I have is I was. I was messaging this one young woman and we were chatting and as always it came to me complaining about how my back hurts. And she said, oh, I'm in orthopedic school, let me give you a back massage. And I was like, ew, don't fucking touch me. I don't know you.
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Tim Miller
You don't like to be touched. I found out when we saw. I don't saw you in person.
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Cameron Caske
I don't like to be touched. Every. Everybody can keep their fucking hands to themselves. That should be in my hinge. In my hinge bios, by the way. I don't enjoy the sensation of human touch.
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Tim Miller
See, I don't think that'll land for you. Huh. Well, I got to say those are two pretty nitpicky things. But I want you. I want you to find love. You can't.
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Cameron Caske
My last anecdote. My last anecdote is there was someone who is super attractive who works in A.I.
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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Cameron Caske
And I was like, I don't want to talk to somebody about AI but.
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Tim Miller
What if on the other hand, maybe you kind of need that as like a backup? Like, what if things get really bad with AI and it comes after all of us? Wouldn't you want to have a Partner who has some expertise in the platform who can maybe protect your family.
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Cameron Caske
I'm good. Next question.
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Tim Miller
Okay.
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Cameron Caske
Oh, we have a new segment. That was my idea.
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Tim Miller
I thought that was the new segment. We have another new segment.
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Cameron Caske
No, that was just me talking about my hinge.
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Tim Miller
Okay. I thought Cameron's hinge profile was the new segment. Okay, well, we're running long, so what is it? Rapid fire and segment?
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Cameron Caske
The new segment is stuff that grinds our gears. Me and Tim are going to give you a quick thing that's pissing us off today, and mine's pretty. Mine's pretty simple. People my age. People my age show up so fucking late to shit. They think it's cool to show up to shit late. And I don't think that fashionably late is something we should keep reinforcing. I think we ought to be showing up to things fashionably on time.
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Tim Miller
You know who you got that in common with? Rahm emanuel. Showed up 10 minutes early to the podcast last week and gave me a long speech about that. Just something you might reflect on that you and Rom have that in common. Here's mine. I would. The. The people on the airplane, the pilots and the steward. Stewards and flight attendants, stewardesses, whatever we're calling them these days, they all talk way too effing much. People that are on planes either want to sleep, or, in my case, this weekend, are extremely hungover from world pride, or want to read their book or want to watch their movie. And the amount of talking on the intercom has increased, like, 400%. They're doing standup routines. They're, like, repeating the same shit over and over again about how you can't smoke. We all know we can't smoke in planes right now. We don't need an announcement about it three times during the flight. Everyone knows you can't smoke. You got to put your seat back up. I get it. Just minimal talking. I understand you have to have the safety announcements at the beginning. That's fine. Let us know we're landing in 20 minutes. That's fine. Do not speak other than those two times unless it is absolutely urgent. Unless there is a crisis, you know, and if. If there's a hijacking or extreme issues with the weather speaking is fine. But that. So that's. That's it for me. Please speak less. And I appreciate all of you that you're there getting us safe. I do like that. Thank you.
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Cameron Caske
Thank you, everyone. I was on a flight to Newark recently, and the pilot thought he was so fucking funny, and he was just going off, and then we got stuck at the. It was got. We got stuck. And so he just kept on doing his standup routine. And then while we were about to fly into Newark, he starts making jokes about all of the airplane crashes that were happening at Newark. And I was like, sir Guy, just.
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Tim Miller
Because you have a mic doesn't mean you're a stand up comic. Okay? Leave it to me to say that who tried a stand up routine that just fell flat about Troy Sivan and ketamine usage?
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Cameron Caske
Oh, dude, that was funny as fuck. Who aren't hearing Tim toot his own horn here? Let me tell you, Bulwark Live is very funny. Tim did great. I'm very proud of him. Thank you. With Cam Caskey and his friend, this is Fypod.
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Tim Miller
Peace.