Don Lemon’s White Boy TELLS ALL! (w/ Peter Rothpletz)

Summary

FYPod Episode Summary: "Don Lemon’s White Boy TELLS ALL! (w/ Peter Rothpletz)"

Release Date: June 28, 2025
Hosts: Tim Miller & Cameron Caskey
Guest: Peter Twinklage (alias Peter Rothpletz)

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1. Introduction and Show Dynamics (00:00 - 02:06)

The episode kicks off with hosts Tim Miller and Cameron Caskey humorously comparing their podcast to Dan Savage's, emphasizing a blend of politics and personal topics like sex. They introduce their guest, Peter Twinklage, humorously dubbed as "Don Lemon's white twink avatar."

• Tim Miller (00:00): "Going to turn the FY pod into Dan Savage's podcast real fast."
• Cameron Caskey (00:44): "Guys, Cam has recruited yet another white male bisexual, which will let you know that Cam's not as woke as he says."

2. Guest Background and South African Scandal (02:06 - 06:50)

Peter Twinklage shares his professional journey, including his time as a campus reporter at Yale, work with CBS News in Johannesburg, and his stint at MSNBC writing monologues for political figures like Mehdi Hassan and Eamon Mohiuddin.

A significant portion of their discussion revolves around a fabricated South African scandal:

• Tim Miller (05:53): "The Zupta scandal. Two Indian born tech tycoons had slowly bought up pretty much 50, 60% of the South African government..."
• Cameron Caskey (05:53): "Three Indian men, I believe, with like many wives."

They humorously debunk the confusion between Jacob Zuma’s polygamy and the involvement of Indian tech tycoons.

3. New York Politics: Zoran's Victory and Eric Adams (06:49 - 28:18)

The hosts dive into the recent New York mayoral race, celebrating Zoran's unexpected victory. They analyze how Zoran managed to energize young voters and engage demographics typically disengaged from politics.

• Cameron Caskey (21:10): "There's obvious excitement for Zoran, and I don't want to salt anyone's game..."
• Peter Twinklage (24:11): "...Bernie and AOC, we're getting Gen X and up white people moms to come out and support their socialist populist commie shit in red districts."

They debate whether factors like charisma ("vibes") or concrete policy positions were more instrumental in Zoran’s success. Tim Miller suggests that larger-than-usual figures like Andrew Cuomo lost partly due to personal backlash rather than policy failings alone.

• Tim Miller (15:13): "Zoran was young and charismatic... he had a great digital operation that clearly reached voters who are not regular participants in politics."

4. Democratic Party Strategies and Vibes vs. Policies (18:51 - 28:18)

A heated exchange ensues about the Democratic Party's approach to elections, debating whether a focus on personal charisma and anti-establishment vibes overshadows the need for clear policy agendas.

• Cameron Caskey (20:13): "I worry about that... I think you have to have some kind of thing people can grab onto."
• Peter Twinklage (26:08): "Zoran was running a campaign on hope and the future... the Democratic Party is obsessed with chasing what we were doing 12, 15 years ago."

They explore the idea that modern candidates may need to challenge the party's status quo to resonate with younger voters, emphasizing the importance of both "vibes" and tangible issues.

5. Hooters as a Safe Space and Related Experiences (42:07 - 48:57)

Tim Miller discusses his article on Hooters being a "safe space" for the LGBTQ+ community, detailing his personal experiences and the cultural significance of such establishments.

• Tim Miller (42:18): "I was hungover in a Colorado airport... the waitress came over and said, 'You’re perfect just the way you are, kid.'"

Peter Twinklage adds his perspective, highlighting Hooters as a modern equivalent of past LGBTQ+ safe spaces, while Cameron shares anecdotes about taking family members to similar establishments for personal moments.

• Peter Twinklage (44:56): "But if I met a Hooters, I'm like, I don't want to see that. I don't like looking at people's bodies."

6. Gen Z Misinformation and Social Media (50:57 - 56:57)

The conversation shifts to the impact of social media platforms like TikTok on Gen Z's perception and misinformation, juxtaposing it with how Boomers encounter false news on Facebook.

• Cameron Caskey (53:24): "TikTok and Twitter... The TikTok is insane."
• Peter Twinklage (53:27): "Everyone let it be known that Tim just insinuated that Tucker Carlson is hot."

They discuss how misinformation spreads differently across generations, with Gen Z being particularly susceptible to bizarre or unfounded claims on fast-paced platforms.

7. Light-hearted Gossip and Future Plans (57:06 - End)

The hosts engage in playful banter about Don Lemon, sharing fabricated personal anecdotes and joking about not having genuine gossip. They conclude by teasing upcoming episodes and maintaining a humorous tone.

• Tim Miller (57:19): "We got Tim on vacation. When Tim is going to put me on with Bill Crystal."
• Cameron Caskey (57:33): "This has been FY pod. I am young white Tim Miller..."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Tim Miller (15:15): "Maybe the special sauce was his hotness and his willingness to go on FY Pod?"
• Peter Twinklage (24:11): "...even with Donald Trump... Eric Adams is that reprehensible politician..."
• Cameron Caskey (12:58): "We cannot say the f slur on this podcast or else we'll be demonetized."
• Peter Twinklage (25:25): "Zoran was running a campaign on hope and the future... we're going to do things differently."

Key Discussions and Insights

• Zoran's Mayoral Victory: Highlighting the importance of youthful charisma and digital engagement in mobilizing previously apathetic voter bases.

• Democratic Strategy: Debating whether the party needs to adopt more anti-establishment tones and focus on invigorating "vibes" versus traditional policy-driven campaigns.

• Social Media's Role: Examining the influence of platforms like TikTok on Gen Z's political perceptions and susceptibility to misinformation.

• Cultural Safe Spaces: Exploring establishments like Hooters as modern safe havens for LGBTQ+ individuals, blending nostalgia with contemporary social dynamics.

Conclusions

The episode underscores the evolving landscape of political engagement among younger voters, emphasizing the need for adaptability in strategies to connect with Gen Z. The hosts advocate for a balance between charismatic leadership and substantive policy proposals to effectively resonate with America's youngest electorate. Additionally, the conversation touches on the cultural shifts facilitated by social spaces and social media, highlighting their double-edged impact on public discourse and societal norms.

Stay tuned for future episodes of FYPod for more incisive discussions on America's youngest voters and the shifting political tides.

Transcript

[Tim Miller]

Going to turn the FY pod into Dan Savage's podcast real fast.

[Cameron Caskey]

Dan's a listener. I've been onto the Dan Savage pod a couple times. He. He wanted me to come on to talk about politics, and I was like, I will only come on if I can take sex questions. We can do politics, but I will.

[Peter Twinklage]

Dan Savage a porn star?

[Tim Miller]

No, no, no.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, yeah. See, your cultural references are from the 50s, but like, you know, your societal familiarity with thing that happened in the 80s and 90s is still zero because you were born in 2000. Hey, everybody, I'm Tim Miller.

[Peter Twinklage]

I'm Cameron Caskey. And this is Fypod, the bul Zoomer show where we get into all the new young people stuff. Like our friend, who I only know as Peter Twinklage, he's Don Lemons. Cam. How you doing, brother?

[Tim Miller]

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

[Cameron Caskey]

Guys, Cam has recruited yet another white male bisexual, which will let you know that Cam's not as woke as he says. Okay. Cam claims that he's the wokest white man in Gen Z, but when he goes out into the field to find guests for FY Pod, he always is landing on white bisexual males for some reason.

[Peter Twinklage]

First of all, I thought. In my defense, Peter, I thought you were fully gay.

[Tim Miller]

Second of all, bi guys can be twinks, can they not?

[Peter Twinklage]

Two things can be true. You're so right. Second of all, I just wanted to talk to Don Lemons. Cam. Dude, like, this is our Zoomer show, and I thought that. And Peter, you have a show on the Don Lemon network where it's just you. There's no Don Lemon. But it does say at the bottom of the screen Don Lemon, right?

[Tim Miller]

That is correct.

[Peter Twinklage]

So it says you are sort of Don Lemon's white twink avatar.

[Cameron Caskey]

Should I be doing this to Cam? Actually, when for people who haven't noticed, people who only come to the episodes that I'm on, I appreciate you, but Cam is working hard and has done. We're spinning off Fypod. We have a little. We're testing out different little spin off ideas. So, you know, there's on the YouTube feed, we're just jamming with Cam only material. Cam and Friends, we're calling it. It's kind of like he's like the Pete Hegseth of Cam and Friends.

[Peter Twinklage]

So just. So while I'm doing a solo video, you put like Property of Tim Miller.

[Cameron Caskey]

Tim Miller. Yeah.

[Peter Twinklage]

And Bill Crystal at the bottom.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. And like, we could create like a little, like a little picture of me maybe with Pearls on. And just. That'll just be on the bottom of every. Of every social video you post.

[Tim Miller]

I like it. It might boost the viewership. You never know.

[Cameron Caskey]

Why do you do it? Why does Don do it? Is it a successful thing?

[Tim Miller]

Well, we saw how successful y' all were being with this show, and Don thought, we need to snatch back those zoomers before they go full fast.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, you copied us.

[Tim Miller]

Absolutely. Who hasn't been?

[Peter Twinklage]

By the way, I was also the first guest of White Don Lemon Hour.

[Tim Miller]

That's true. That's true. I've had some great pals on Jack Coccurella, mutual friend of all of ours.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay, how are things going on the spinoff show?

[Tim Miller]

Things have been very busy recently, so I haven't done an episode in a couple of weeks, but it's been fun. I think I found my sea legs.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's all about consistency in the content game, Peter. All right. I know a little bit about you because I read your New York Times column about your dad taking you to Hooters, and I want to get to Hooters in a second. But for people who haven't read that, can you do the first date, rapid fire tldr. Like, where'd you come from? How did you find Don lemon for sure, etc.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I was a campaign reporter way back in the day, many moons ago, in 2016. I leveraged that into a host of different.

[Cameron Caskey]

How old were you? Were you the campus.

[Tim Miller]

I was the campus reporter, yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

For what college?

[Tim Miller]

Yale.

[Cameron Caskey]

I like the embarrassment with what you said. Yale. I appreciate that. You should be fucking embarrassed saying Yale. I like that. You paused, you thought about whether you should say it or not. You're like, do I say it's in New Haven?

[Tim Miller]

You asked.

[Cameron Caskey]

I know. I liked it. But I saw the wheels turning your head. Okay, continue. I'm sorry, so you're a campus reporter at Yale? Yes, continue.

[Tim Miller]

Leveraged that into a couple of newsroom gigs. Some here in the States, one internationally, which was really fun. And the mailing Guardian in South Africa, specifically Johannesburg.

[Peter Twinklage]

I'm sorry about what's happening to your people down there.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's tough. By the way, those who are being targeted.

[Tim Miller]

Not targeted. I mean, my newsroom was overwhelmingly black, but they just.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do you know any of the Afrikaners that we have welcomed here?

[Tim Miller]

I'm proud to say I do not. I'm proud to say I do not. But, yeah, I was working in South Africa for a while, then went to CBS News. Was there for a couple years, then was Mehdi Hassan's And Eamon Mohiuddin's monologue writer at MSNBC for a couple of years.

[Peter Twinklage]

Fucking gang right there, by the way, those are my boys.

[Cameron Caskey]

Wait, I didn't realize that you were like a shit library.

[Tim Miller]

I'm all over the place, dude.

[Cameron Caskey]

My perception of your content is very. Your content is very kind of abundance. And here you are writing monologues for Mehdi. What. What is. What's the true. Who's the true you?

[Tim Miller]

Peter, I'm a chameleon. I am the town's Mr. Ripley through.

[Peter Twinklage]

And I went on Medi's show a bunch a couple years ago and we've just stayed in touch online for years. Finally met him in person almost a year ago now.

[Tim Miller]

Such a nice guy.

[Peter Twinklage]

Looks. He looks at me and he's like, oh, I thought you were shorter. I was like, thanks. I'm not even like tall. I'm.

[Tim Miller]

I guess there are worse things you can say to someone.

[Cameron Caskey]

You do give short.

[Peter Twinklage]

I give short spiritually. Yeah. A lot of people who have only met me on Zoom meet me in their life. Hey, leave a comment down below, everybody, for the algorithm on how tall you thought I was.

[Cameron Caskey]

Timte bleep out. Bleep out when he said the actual height a couple seconds ago. And then people can guess in the comments.

[Peter Twinklage]

Tim, what are you, six, one?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, you know, six foot, nine. Almost be. Round up.

[Peter Twinklage]

Good for you. Anyway, we were talking about white genocide, I think.

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, we were. What were you covering down there with the Afrikaners?

[Tim Miller]

The Zupta scandal. Two Indian born tech tycoons had slowly bought up pretty much 50, 60% of the South African government under a polyamorous. Not actually. Scratch that. Not going to bash the polycules. But a polygamous Jacob Zuma, who, yeah, effectively allowed these two gents, three gents, actually, to take over the entire government.

[Cameron Caskey]

Really?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, big deal.

[Cameron Caskey]

Those three. Three Indian men, I believe, with like many wives. Is that.

[Tim Miller]

No, no, no. Jacob Zuma, the South African president, is the polygamist, not Indian tech tycoons.

[Cameron Caskey]

Got it.

[Tim Miller]

And then from there went to MSNBC and then had a really wonderful years. A wonderful few years there. Exc. Excuse me. Mehdi ended up leaving Ms. And I found myself as a cart without a horse and donned them and reached out and I thought, hell yeah, dude.

[Cameron Caskey]

Let's.

[Tim Miller]

Let's try this.

[Cameron Caskey]

Let's go into these. The Lemonheads.

[Tim Miller]

Indeed, the Lemonheads.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do you feel like you're a Lemonhead?

[Tim Miller]

How could I not be a lemon head?

[Cameron Caskey]

Are you getting recognized on the street? By all the Lemonheads or lemon heads, like, coming up to you and throwing candy at you or anything.

[Tim Miller]

I will say there have been two occasions, and I don't know whether this is flattering or humiliating, but there has been an older woman who has sort of done a double take and then come up to me and said, are you Don Lemon's white boy?

[Peter Twinklage]

I mean, Tim, is that not how I described him when I told you we were having him on the show?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yes, you did. And I was like, you mean Peter Twinklage? You're like, yes. I was like, great, let's do it. Well, that's. That's nice. I would take it as a positive.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean, you know. You know, I don't know. What is your racial heritage?

[Tim Miller]

I'm pretty aggressively Caucasian.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. Okay. Might be kind of like the Afrikaners. I didn't notice you mentioned the polyamory happening down there. And I gotta tell you, with the discourse, there's a. I don't know if you noticed, but around the mayor's race. There's a new mayor in New York. I don't know. Cam wasn't really following the race that closely, But a guy.

[Peter Twinklage]

Is there a guy that Bill Crystal's tweeting about how much he likes?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, Zoran Mamdani one, actually. And we had interviewed him, and there was a lot of discourse about one of the questions. No discourse about the polycules. I mean, we discussed polycules. Now, the lead, the guy most likely to be the next mayor of New York City.

[Peter Twinklage]

Which brings us to our next topic, which is Eric Adams and the fact that it's Adams time, baby. It's time to watch this guy cook. He's coming to save New York from people who met their wife on hinge. And he's fucking locked and loaded. Let's take a look right now at Eric Adams showing us how to search our children's bedroom for guns.

[Don Lemon]

You can look in a jewelry box, a jewelry box of this nature, maybe a simple jewelry box. But if you look through it closely, you don't know what your child may be hiding. For instance, look at picture frames. Behind them, cameras. Try to determine what's taking place. Behind a picture frame, you can find bullets. You should always, when your child bring in his popular knapsack with many different locations, look through it to see what exactly is your child carrying. In addition to a book, something simple as a crack. Something simple as a baby doll. Could be just a baby doll, but also it could be a place where you could secrete or hide drugs. Run your hands over the pillows and see if you feel anything that's unusual. Like a pillow like this with a button is a perfect invitation to hide something. And I felt something bumpy, I would reach in, see what it is. Like your bookcases. It could be more than just books. Perfect place to hide cocaine.

[Tim Miller]

All respect in the world to Nathan Fielder. That is the performance artist of all time. At least the best living performance artist he is.

[Peter Twinklage]

You know, with Trump, in the beginning of his monstrous reign, there was still, even though he was already being evil on immigrants and stuff, there was still a degree of, oh, gee, this guy would be a fun hang, you know?

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Cameron Caskey]

Trump never for me, just, just for the record, never for me. I never. He never made me laugh once. No, I always hated Donald Trump because.

[Peter Twinklage]

I understand other people coming at it from inside the party. So you were like, this guy is. This guy is turning us into a mockery. Whereas we. I was there like, oh, my God, he's still funny. Now that Trump is obviously nobody anybody would want to be near because he's a terrible fascist who's even worse than his first administration. Eric Adams is that reprehensible politician who would be a fucking good hang. I don't know if you all saw, dude, like, night after we bomb Iran was at some sort of hookah bar where there were like belly dancers posted up just like smacking a monster vape. And I was like, I would love to be there with Eric Adams.

[Cameron Caskey]

That's a great. He's a great hang. Yeah. I actually went and looked behind my daughter's pillow to see if there's anything earlier. And it turns out there was like a two day old milk, which was pretty disgusting, you know, I would have to say, but I did not see any. There's no secretions, no gas milk that.

[Peter Twinklage]

The Maha people are into.

[Cameron Caskey]

Again, it's just raw milk. They like raw milk. No pasteurization. Louis Pasteur, part of the deep state. It was. It all went. Started to go awry back then. We were much healthier before we pasteurized milk or people got any vitamins.

[Peter Twinklage]

Real well. Listen, I have been in New York for a year. I've seen sort of the results of the Adams administration. I personally would like to rate Eric Adams as a mayor. F. Let's take a look.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, come on.

[Peter Twinklage]

Let's take a look at how Eric Adams views the letter F. I would.

[Cameron Caskey]

Rank him higher than enough.

[Don Lemon]

We utilize the letter F. I saw this. We utilize the letter F for faith. Our opponents use the letter F for profanity. So we need to stay focused. No distractions and grind.

[Tim Miller]

Focus.

[Don Lemon]

No distractions and grind.

[Cameron Caskey]

Focus.

[Peter Twinklage]

No distractions and grind.

[Cameron Caskey]

Focus.

[Peter Twinklage]

No distractions and grind.

[Don Lemon]

We're straight ahead.

[Cameron Caskey]

Are you trying to make me be pro Adams on this podcast? Are you trying to make me the audience?

[Tim Miller]

I think this is Eric Adams joining the resistance, calling out Trump for dropping that F bomb. What was it on Tuesday, after the Iranians and the Israelis broke that ceasefire he brokered that was going to win him.

[Cameron Caskey]

Are you talking about fuck or the f slur? Because there's a. This is something that I really have a bone to pick with YouTube about, which is we cannot say the f slur on this podcast or else we'll be demonetized. We will not be able to get the ad money that we have earned because YouTube has decided that that is inappropriate language. And during fucking Pride Month, I feel like we should be able to say it if we want. All right? And I feel like we should.

[Peter Twinklage]

We should get even more monetized.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, that's what I would say. And so I am a little annoyed by that. The Eric Adams thing. I guess my question for you two is there's obviously this excitement for Zoran, and I don't want to salt anyone's game. I don't want to yuck anyone's yum out there.

[Peter Twinklage]

Donuts, though, Crystal.

[Cameron Caskey]

The youth of New York, you know, the guys bumming cigarettes in Greenpoint, you know, the people whose parents paid for them to go to liberal arts colleges, and then they moved to New York to live with three roommates and not make any. And not do any income. Like, those folks were crushing for Zoran, and I'm very happy for them. But do you sense. Was it beyond, like, did you go to any of the parties? Like, was it beyond that?

[Peter Twinklage]

Are you acting like Zoron only won because of that crowd? Because if you look at the demographics and the results, he did not do well with.

[Cameron Caskey]

With the under 50k people.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Cuomo got the richest and the poorest New Yorkers.

[Cameron Caskey]

He was crushing in Greenpoint. It's not like he was crushing in Hell's Kitchen. He crushed in Chelsea. And so I'm just trying to get, like, what was the. Like, on the street? Like, what was the feeling? You know, was it just like, gays and dirtbag hipsters or, like, were you feeling more happening?

[Tim Miller]

I would say. And. Okay, let me first make one caveat, and that is that I don't think that Democrats should walk away from this primary with some New grand strategy of politics. I think that Andrew Cuomo is a uniquely vile breed of uncharismatic megafauna. And the reason why Andrew Cuomo lost is because his name is Andrew Cuomo. That said, I think there are some takeaways and some things that Zoran did incredibly well who animated, or rather that animated and energized a ton of voters that do not normally go to the polls. He is young and charismatic, Reid hot. He has a great, or rather he had a great digital operation that clearly reached voters who are not regular, I don't know, participants in politics.

[Peter Twinklage]

Plus that and say that that's bullshit.

[Cameron Caskey]

Because before you plus plus I'm going to read Peter Twinkle, which is actual quote, actual tweet about how he assessed Zoran's victory and then you can, you can weigh in on where he was wrong. The Dems takeaway should be their, their candidates like Zoran should be anti system, talk about affordability, be on every podcast, shout out zoron, thanks bro and run young, charismatic, hot candidates. So is that what. So you don't, you don't think that's it, Kim? You don't think the special sauce was his hotness and his willingness to go on fy pod?

[Peter Twinklage]

It's not like this guy Andrew Cuomo only lost because he's Andrew Cuomo. Like, look, I do agree the Democrats should have a grand strategy here, which is don't run the worst prick ever, sure, and maybe you'll win. But also it's like Cuomo voters couldn't explain what they were voting for other than Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo didn't run on something. Zoran was.

[Tim Miller]

He didn't run, period.

[Peter Twinklage]

He didn't run, period. He didn't talk to the media. He didn't come on fypod. He didn't do anything he should do. But also nobody, even his fans couldn't explain what he was running on other than the fact that, oh, he's a fighter. Which by the way, when ICE comes knocking on people's doors, he sure is not gonna fight them because his campaign was funded by people who directly profit from the people who make money off of ice. But it's like Cuomo, Cuomo wasn't running on an agenda. He was his. Literally the closest thing I could find to a platform for Andrew Cuomo was those 13 women were liars. Like, that's what he was running on. I don't know what he was going to do about. You know what else I knew? I knew that he used chat GPT for his Housing plan. So it's like, I know that he's away. Don't run. The worst prick ever. Another takeaway is like, if you're running on issues that people can very simply cite and say, here's three things that this person's going to do, no matter what the issues are, it's going to be a better campaign strategy. The first time I ever came and did a video with Tim, Tim asked me who I would have run in 2024 for the Democrats, which is why it's so fudgeing funny that I get characterized as this Molotov cocktail throwing leftists at the Bulwark when my two answers were Kamala Harris, if she had to prepare, and Beto o' Rourke, you know, because I'm a fucking commie.

[Cameron Caskey]

You're kind of a commie. You have some commie tendencies.

[Peter Twinklage]

With the Harris campaign, I had a harder time explaining her agenda than I did explaining Trump's agenda. Trump's agenda I was able to boil down to like five bullet points. And they were all fucking reprehensible bullet points. And they were disgusting, but they were simple things I could say really quickly. Whereas with Harris, even when I read about it and I read the articles and I was watching social media, I was trying to figure out a way to clearly communicate to my Zoomer friends who were not bought into this, why she was the choice. I couldn't really put it in a clear and concise way. So whether or not you're a, you know, a fucking communist lettuce guy who wants Zoran to let Trotsky run our grocery stores, guess what? That was something you could say he was going to do with Cuomo. The only thing you could say is that you're allowed to do that stuff if you're Italian.

[Tim Miller]

Can I turn the pot on YouTube for a second? I have a question because Cam raised something really interesting. I was listening to a Borg pod earlier this week, and I think that there's a really interesting schism here between the JVLs of the world and the Matt Iglesias of the world, where Iglesias fundamentally believes that American voters, you know, vote and operate based on policy, and they want plans and they make up their minds based on what different politicians offer them. And I'm sure I don't need to tell you, Tim, or you, Cam, but JBL thinks that Americans are cletus and everything is based on vibes. Where would you fall on that spectrum?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I kind of want to throw back on YouTube, so I'll give my answer Briefly, I think that vibes matter a lot. And, and that is what worries me as somebody who's a centrist at heart and I'm interested in your guys take on this. Like what? I don't know if that's true actually, that a centrist could have gained the amount of energy that Zoran had if they just were hot and went on podcast and also had three clear issues that people knew. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I'm not saying no. I just, I worry about that. I don't know. But I do think that like there's like a minimum bar of having to have some kind of thing people can grab onto. I do think that Kamala's and Hillary's message frankly was too vague. And so I think you have to have, I don't think you need to be a policy dork like having white papers like Elizabeth Warren. Like I have a plan for that. That is not necessary. But you do have to have like three things, as Cam said, that people know about you. So I think it's like a little bit of both. But I don't know man, I'm. What do you guys think? Could somebody have done the Zoran thing? Like let's say Zoran's out of the race, put him aside and a Cuomo run against like a 33 year old Ezra Klein. Like could 33 year old Ezra Klein have had the same excitement as Zoran if he had, if he had three center left issues. What do you guys think?

[Tim Miller]

I don't think Ezra, he's hot as hot. I don't think he has the aura though. I don't think he has the, the.

[Cameron Caskey]

Can we imagine he had a little more aura.

[Tim Miller]

I'm of JVL school of thought. I think it's 80% vibes, 10 to 20% policies and I think that you need to have say a basket of left leaning, democratically acceptable policy positions and then you need to have one or two or maybe three. As you were saying, Tim, big issues that really stand out. I was just listening to Alyssa Slotkin earlier today talk about how she wants to ban cell phones, K through 12 period in schools. I think it's great and I think that's something that catches.

[Cameron Caskey]

Where are you on that camp? Should we ban cell phones in schools? What do you think?

[Peter Twinklage]

I, I, I'm a cell phone libertarian. I think that, no, I think that banning cell phones in schools is completely reasonable. I think it's complicated because a lot of schools don't have good infrastructure for, I mean a lot of schools don't have good infrastructure for a lot of things, but emergency preparation for something like a school shooting, you know, we need our cell phones because there aren't a lot of built in systems at different public schools where if there's a shooting on this side of the school, other people are going to be able to know about it. And that's something that a lot of school safety advocates have been working for is panic buttons, different things that they can use with the phone system. Something inside the schools where you can make people aware that there's a mass shooter present. And with me, like I had my cell phone on me, that was how my parents knew that I was still alive and everything. But generally speaking it's like the phones in the schools are a disaster. So I think that I, I have two points which is number one, ban the cell phones. Number two, make sure if there's a gun there, the teacher is able to make to inform the rest of the school very simply and quickly.

[Cameron Caskey]

So I want to let you finish it and then I'll get your answer. Cam. So like what think that some whatever center left. I genuinely don't know the answer to this because I feel like as I'm a political, like I haven't been in Democratic primaries, like couldn't center left hot 33 year old who's running on banning cell phones and I don't know, like building 2 million houses and giving people free something. Could that person do it? Maybe.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know. I was saying a little earlier that in my, my main writing beat is heterodoxy and I feel like we're in a moment right now where any Democrat who's really going to catch on and capture the nation's attention in some way needs to be running directly at the Democratic Party.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like against it, you mean?

[Tim Miller]

Yes, correct. Which is not to say that they should just bash Democrats until the cows come home. But I think a lot of the big national figures that we've seen rise in the last year and a half, two years are all folks who in one way or another plant their flag in one aspect of Democratic policy, in democratic pedagogy and just hit away at them, hack away at them.

[Cameron Caskey]

Fucking 18 years. What do you mean two years? That goes back to Obama. Obama ran against the Democratic Party on Iraq and other stuff.

[Tim Miller]

Absolutely.

[Cameron Caskey]

What do you think Cam? Could the youth have gotten excited for somebody that was a little less DSA ish or was the DSA element central to why the youth were excited about Zoran in New York?

[Peter Twinklage]

I mean people are talking about Zo Ron's victory and they're saying like, oh, it's in deep blue New York. Of course it's going to happen in deep blue New York. And I understand that instinct and everything, but if you look at these fucking rallies where AOC and Bernie were getting a trillion people to pull up, including like the Gen X white moms that otherwise can't fucking stand, those people getting giant crowds, giant crowds of people who are not the blue haired baristas that everybody likes to characterize as the Bernie and AOC supporters. They're getting fucking white moms to show up. They were doing this in deep red districts. They were.

[Cameron Caskey]

There are a handful of liberal white moms, Cameron. It's not, it's not 100, you know, Trump didn't get 100%.

[Peter Twinklage]

A lot of moms. A lot of. A lot of liberal white moms. Sorry. If there's any Bernie Sanders liberal white moms in the comments. I see you, I appreciate you, I love you, But I. When I think of a Bernie and AOC rally getting a ton of people to show up, I think of blue hair baristas. But Bernie and aoc, we're getting Gen X and up white people moms to come out and support their socialist populist commie shit in red districts, in deep red districts, in places where moderates like to pretend someone like that would never stand a fucking chance. I think vibes are important. I think that when we get the message that populism is the way to win, it's hard to see that and go, actually, we should run bigger nerds. I think it's 100% vibes. I think it's 10% luck. I think it's 20% skill. I think it's 15% concentrated power of will. I think it's 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name and that that name is Bill Kristle.

[Cameron Caskey]

Charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. I don't, I don't know what that was. A reference. What was that? Is that a Jay Z song or something?

[Peter Twinklage]

Actually, I don't know who the rapper was.

[Tim Miller]

Cam. Can I ask you a question?

[Cameron Caskey]

Dante? Can we get the name of the Rapp? Cameron, as Cameron is Ari Melbourne right now.

[Peter Twinklage]

Fort Minor 2005, everybody.

[Tim Miller]

Cam, who do you think is a bigger kingmaker in the Democratic Party? AOC or Jim Clyburn?

[Cameron Caskey]

Stop, Pause. We're going to. You're going to answer that, but you just timmed me, all right. I was training you on how to deal With MSNBC interviews where you get asked a question and then you just give them the shit that you'd already prepared in your brain. And you just did that to me. And this is a fucking pod where we're hanging. And so I want, I asked you specifically, could, could Hot as Recline have. Have gotten the same momentum as Zoran or did it have to be a DSA? Could it have been a hot center left 33 year old as a result of that? But he looks young. What. What do you think?

[Peter Twinklage]

I think it's about what he was running on as opposed to how he was proposing to solve it. He was running on affordability, on access to different things. And if a 30 something year old Ezra Klein built the fucking abundance pill messaging about the problems that were actually affecting New Yorkers, they could have very well had a shot. I just don't know. What I do know is that that is Cuomo was.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay, the shot is a different question. My question is with the vibes, with, with your pals. Talk about your pals. I don't really know your buddies that were excited about Zo run, that were liking your tw Zoe Ron pilled tweets like with those people, were they just for him because he was DSA or they for him because he was like anti Cuomo? He was young, he had energy. Like how would you assess?

[Peter Twinklage]

I know people who are not fucking DSA pilled who are about Zoran. Zoran was running a campaign on hope and the future in a political party that is obsessed with the past. The Democratic Party is obsessed with chasing what we were doing fucking 12, 15 years ago. The Democratic Party is obsessed with maintaining the status quo that has brought us Donald Trump. Zoran was saying we're going to do things differently. And young people are way more interested in somebody coming in and saying we're going to do things differently than somebody saying no, actually what we were doing before when I killed all those senior citizens works. And this isn't just a Cuomo thing. Obviously the killing senior citizen thing is, is targeted at Cuomo. But it's like my friends weren't excited about Zoran because he was fucking Stalin pilled. They were excited about Zoran because Zoran was inspiring hope instead of cultivating fear.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't think he's from the Stalin wing of the socialist. I'm not sure. Okay, Peter, now you can. What, what were you asking about if AOC or Jim Clyburn.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Who do you guys think is the bigger kingmaker within the Democratic Party today? AOC Or Jim Clyburn?

[Peter Twinklage]

I think it depends on where. Like, I.

[Tim Miller]

Sure. But, I mean, in general, who's 51%? Who's 49%? Who's the bigger.

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean, AOC hasn't really put her little. Little special twinker tinkerbell dust on anyone yet, really. So we don't know.

[Tim Miller]

Well, the DSAers were really pissed. She did not endorse or on for a week.

[Cameron Caskey]

AOC did the thing that a smart politician does. No issues with AOC on this. This is not a criticism. But AOC got on that Zoron bandwagon right when people were paying, was out the station. She did not make him happen. She came, she endorsed him, like three weeks before the election. He was rolling before she came on board.

[Peter Twinklage]

I don't really know the Clyburn thing. It's hard for me to engage in Clyburn discourse because if you are doing anything other than worshiping at his altar, you are a racist. I don't know anybody who is positioned as more above criticism than Jim Clyburn.

[Cameron Caskey]

If Jim sounds like you have some criticisms of Jim Clyburn, let's hear him.

[Peter Twinklage]

Clyburn sneezed in your fucking face. And you said, excuse me, please turn your head around. Boom. Everyone on Twitter is going to call you a fucking racist. But listen, here's everything you listeners at home need to know about Jim Clyburn. Jim Clyburn was on television within the past six weeks saying that Joe Biden has the mental capacity to have served a second term. Anyone who has any questions about Jim Clyburn for me could ask Joe Biden and see if he remembers the fucking question.

[Tim Miller]

I wish he were still alive.

[Peter Twinklage]

Yeah, exactly. Joe Biden is with his uma.

[Cameron Caskey]

Just want to be very clear. There was no criticisms of Jim Clyburn there. We all honor Jim Clyburn. We're going to put a bust up to him. We're thinking about updating the fypod graphic and we might include him in there. I don't know. We'll see.

[Peter Twinklage]

Oh, yeah. By the way, I don't think Jim Clyburn has done anything wrong in his entire life. Perfect, gentlemen. When he put his support behind fellow person who doesn't live in New York City, Andrew Cuomo, I said, okay. Those 13 women must have been liars.

[Tim Miller]

Agreed.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, boy. Peter. What? Do we have any. Do we have any other Zoran discourse to cover, or should we move on to other topics?

[Tim Miller]

I would love to toot my own horn that the grand dam of the Democratic Party mother herself Liz Smith did endorse my, my takeaway from Zoran.

[Cameron Caskey]

Liz Smith. I knew things were getting hinky when Liz Smith was telling me she was ranking Zoran. I might have just broke some news right now in FYpod. I don't know if that's public or not. Sorry Liz, but you know, I mean she is like a not, not a happy, not a popular figure among the far. Among the DSA crowd in New York City. She's a very popular figure, you know, with me and like at bars and stuff that among the DSA crowd, not very popular. And so she's for ZO Run. That'll tell you something.

[Peter Twinklage]

You asked if we had any further Zoran discourse and this is a perfect new opportunity for me to not only tell my Liz Smith story but also plug the new FYPOD channel. So I regularly do videos for the new channel talking about socio political stuff with my ex girlfriend Ellie Schnit, who is a wonderful commentator. I love her, was a wonderful girlfriend, absolutely. Only the nicest things to say about her.

[Cameron Caskey]

If you kids can't make it, who can?

[Peter Twinklage]

It's tough. We're both the one that got away. I was with Ellie Schnit, fellow sociopolitical commentator when we were dating probably exactly four years ago because it was Teddy Goff's Pride party. Shout out Teddy Goff. No, it wasn't Pride actually. It was a different night. We were all hanging out and Liz Smith was there and I, I had seen Liz Smith on Twitter. I knew she was associated with Mr. Pete Buttigieg in one way or another. I wasn't keenly aware of who Liz Smith was. I was 20. I was still figuring everything out. I was closeted. My girlfriend at the time, Ellie, friend of the Bulwark, borrowed Liz Smith's lip gloss. And then Ellie and I kissed.

[Tim Miller]

So it's like you've kissed Eskimo brothers.

[Peter Twinklage]

Sisters, something spiritual like that. But Liz Smith and I will always share that special connection.

[Tim Miller]

I love that.

[Peter Twinklage]

I've got to hand it to her.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm feeling the romance right now in the room. Well, I guess, I guess we probably have gone a little far before crediting David Hogg for the victory for the Sauron victory.

[Peter Twinklage]

I mean we have to.

[Cameron Caskey]

He came in big in the last three days.

[Peter Twinklage]

He came in big. He saw a moment. He fucking.

[Cameron Caskey]

The youth were like. Anytime I say anything mad about David Hogg, it is. I have a 62 year old woman that ness sends me an angry message. That's like the youth love him. Do not say A bad thing about him. And I am. You're right, ma' am. The youth do love him. I'm being. My final thought on Zoran is like Bill Kristol. I don't know, Peter. Did you. Wait. I'm a bad host.

[Tim Miller]

What.

[Cameron Caskey]

What was your ranking, Peter? What was your ballot? What was your ranked choice ballot?

[Tim Miller]

So I'm actually not registered to vote in New York City. I travel.

[Cameron Caskey]

You're an illegal voter. You might not. We might have to. We have to stop this. You're. You illegally voting in a place where you don't reside.

[Tim Miller]

I cut it right now. I endorsed Zoran. I was not able to vote.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay. You're for Zoran. Yeah. Like Bill Kristol. Kristol tweeted that he's so annoyed at the criticisms of Zoron from the right, including all the racist fucks that want to deport him. Multiple members of Congress now want to deport him and that he's becoming anti, anti Zoron. And that's where I'm landing, which I think is a very nice and comfortable place to be.

[Peter Twinklage]

Alhamdulillah, Brother Crystal, we see you.

[Cameron Caskey]

All right, Hooters. Do we have something else to talk about besides Hooters? Oh, you want to talk about Pete Hegseth for a second? We wanted to love up on Jen Griffin. You want to do that?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do we have the video? We have to put it in a post. Do we have the video? I'll set it up. We'll put it in a post. Jen Griffin, the last Japanese soldier at Fox News doing real journalism. Their foreign affairs correspondent asked former colleague, former, maybe not sober colleague at times weekend Fox and Friends co host Pete Hegseth, who now runs our military, about, I don't know, something.

[Tim Miller]

Let's watch scene that suggests that we didn't hit exactly what we wanted to hit in those locations.

[Cameron Caskey]

That's not the question, though.

[Peter Twinklage]

It's about highly enriched uranium.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do you have certainty that all the highly enriched uranium was inside the 4.

[Peter Twinklage]

Do mountain or some of it?

[Cameron Caskey]

Because there were satellite photos that showed.

[Peter Twinklage]

More than a dozen trucks there two days in advance.

[Cameron Caskey]

Are you certain none of that highly.

[Peter Twinklage]

Enriched uranium was moved?

[Tim Miller]

Of course. We're watching every single aspect. But, Jennifer, you've been about the worst. The one who misrepresents the most intentionally. What the president says.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm familiar about the ventilation shafts on Saturday night. And in fact, I was the first to describe the B2 bombers, the refueling, the entire mission with great accuracy. So I take issue with that.

[Tim Miller]

I appreciate you acknowledging this is the first operation, the most successful mission based on operational security that this department has done since you've been here. And I appreciate that.

[Cameron Caskey]

He. She just cucked him.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, hard.

[Peter Twinklage]

I see this all the time. Oh, if this person did this, you know, double standard, blah, blah, blah. It's kind of a tired thing for me. But it's like, I watched that video and I'm like, man, if a woman said the. That Hega Seth was just saying, if a woman was like, you've been about the worst. Like everybody would be saying the most sexist of us. She's on her period and everything. But Hega Seth just gets to out like that and it's just totally. I guess that's what we want in our officials.

[Tim Miller]

I. I don't want to waste too much time on him. Just that boozing ass hat with multiple posters.

[Cameron Caskey]

Nothing wrong with boozing.

[Tim Miller]

Fourth. True, true, true. Maybe not when you're Secretary of Defense, but c' est la vie. Yeah, but. But him and his posters of his third, fourth or fifth wife, I don't. I've lost count in his office within the DoD. I do want to talk about Jennifer Griffin, though. Only because I referenced this towards the top of the pod when I was a campaign reporter. I found it very quickly. It's a pretty miserable job. You get maybe 6ish hours of sleep per night. You don't eat very much. You just hopscotch between different high school gyms across the country. And as like a plucky, obnoxious little upstart, most people did not have a time of day. For me, the only two folks actually who ever had even a modicum of patients were your buddy, actually Tim Peter Hanby, who was so wonderful and took a lot of time out of his day while we were at the GOP nominating convention to just chat with me. He was wonderful. And then Jennifer Griffin, who I met at a number of aforementioned high school gyms and would literally share her desk space with me, which was a rare commodity. And she was just the kindest woman. And for those of you who aren't familiar with her work, she is one of the most respected national security reporters in the business. She's just great. And fuck, Pete Hegseth, she's crushing it.

[Cameron Caskey]

I want to move on to Hooters, but I'd already seen the clip. So I was kind of monitoring my little social media here while Jennifer Griffin was owning them. And I got this post. Some people, apparently you can't make anybody happy in the Zoran Discourse you're either too nice to them or too mean to them. This person thinks I've been too nice to him. Apparently so. About to be. About to be. She spelled it wrong. She cuomo. Ed it. Or he. I don't know this person. So Mandami Wrong is a non carceral anarchist as well as a global antifa Puberty blocking advocate. And are you sure Mandamiya is best for New York? These people have lost their mind. Like, this is. This is what's turning me into an anti. Anti. Zoran, I think.

[Peter Twinklage]

Derangement syndrome, man. What the. Did anybody think was gonna happen? Like, a Muslim could. Could literally, like, release a public statement that says, gee, the weather's nice out here. And people would be like, that is a jihadist. Like, that's how it works in this country. A Muslim could say. A Muslim could say. I preferred the Donner cut of Superman 2 over the theatrical release because the theatrical release had a tonal imbalance to it. And somebody could be like, oh, so you're saying that every single Jew in the world should get killed?

[Tim Miller]

Cam, to that point, there was a great tweet. Unfortunately, I don't know the person who sent it out, but it read something like, zoron Colon. Free buses, exclamation mark. Reporter, Colon. Even for Hamas. Question mark.

[Peter Twinklage]

Yeah, I saw that one stuff.

[Cameron Caskey]

They were listening to Chapel Roan at the victory party. That kind of. I thought that was pretty cringe. Do we have any before we. I want to close with your Hooter stories, but do you have any Don Lemon stories for us first? Like, any behind the scenes? Like, what's it like? You know, does he have any Bill O'Reilly moments where he's starting to scream? Like, does he struggle with technology?

[Tim Miller]

I wish I had some gossip. He's just a deeply human guy.

[Cameron Caskey]

Deeply human.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Well, you know.

[Cameron Caskey]

Does he text you good night? Do you get, like, goodnight texts? Is he sensitive? Like, Cameron is very sensitive with me, and I sometimes feel like I'm maybe a little distant. Is he sensitive with you?

[Peter Twinklage]

I think we should air out that dirty laundry, Tim. I think that's what we should do for the remainder of this episode.

[Cameron Caskey]

You and me or Peter and Don.

[Peter Twinklage]

Both at the same time? Both at the same time without Don to defend himself.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay, is Don a little distant, or is he checking in with you? I've got your feeling.

[Tim Miller]

Don's a great guy. No, we. So we're a very small operation. I am sort of his executive editorial producer. We have a great gal named Nicky who is his executive technical producer. And then we have Andy, who is sort of an auxiliary technical guy. And that's it. It's a very small team.

[Cameron Caskey]

What about the man on the Street?

[Peter Twinklage]

Executive editorial producer, by the way, that is that true editorial that comes from Tim Miller is. Because it went through me.

[Cameron Caskey]

That is actually. What about the man on the street stuff? Who's doing that?

[Tim Miller]

That is a different operation. That's the social guys.

[Cameron Caskey]

Who's dressing him for the man on the street interviews?

[Tim Miller]

I couldn't tell you that.

[Cameron Caskey]

Have you given him anything?

[Peter Twinklage]

Billy on the street vids.

[Tim Miller]

He does.

[Cameron Caskey]

Have you ever given him any feedback on his wardrobe? Sartorial feedback.

[Tim Miller]

I'm not that type of guy. I wish I was.

[Cameron Caskey]

You're not a clothes gay?

[Tim Miller]

Not really. I mean, what am I wearing?

[Cameron Caskey]

What type of gay are you? What are your most stereotypical gay traits?

[Tim Miller]

Love, abundance. Big fan. Derek Thompson.

[Peter Twinklage]

What exactly?

[Cameron Caskey]

Cock.

[Tim Miller]

Abundance of many things.

[Cameron Caskey]

Abundance of cock. Do you have? No stereotypically gay traits. You don't like Lady Gaga or musical theater or sewing?

[Tim Miller]

No, I'm a pick me. I'm just a pick me.

[Cameron Caskey]

Just a pick me guy. You do. You do post thought pictures. I noticed that. So that's.

[Peter Twinklage]

I guess so are you gay or bi?

[Tim Miller]

I'm bi, but I definitely lean more in One Direction. Kinsey 6.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, the Instagram is telling a different story. The Don Lemon outfits, though. I do want to talk about that. I know you're not a closing guy, but, you know, it's, it's. He's going to the gym. Like, it's like the shirts are tight and he's showing off the guns.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Does he talk about that at all or is that just kind of a subtext? Does he talk about his.

[Tim Miller]

I just think post CNN life has served him really well.

[Cameron Caskey]

I think he is looking a little useless. His skin looks good. Like, you know, like he's moisturizing. He looks fresh, young. Weight of the world off his shoulders. Doesn't have that makeup. The CNN makeup.

[Tim Miller]

This is true.

[Cameron Caskey]

You have no gossip. You can't come on the show and not have like a single piece of Don Lemon gossip.

[Peter Twinklage]

Dude, if. When I went on Don show a couple months ago, if he had asked me for Tim Miller gossip, I would have been able to think of something. I don't know what it would have been necessarily, but I wouldn't have not given some Tim Miller gossip.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, he should have asked me beforehand, Cam. I could have come up with something to prepare.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, you've nothing. Okay, well, you're not Going to be invited back on FYpod. All right, tell us about Hooters. You wrote this article, an entire article about Hooters, which is interesting for. For a guy.

[Tim Miller]

Well, deeply problematic, Tim, to ask about Hooters, such a, such a heteronormative institution on the 10 year anniversary of gay marriage being legalized, but I'll happily talk about it now. Hooters, I think, is America's safe space. I have a deep, deep love for the institution. The long short is I was hungover in a Colorado airport about three, four months ago and I saw a tweet come up, as I often do, that Hooters was filing for bankruptcy. And while hungover, I pretty absentmindedly just tweeted out this story about how When I was 14 or 15, I landed in Florida a few days before the rest of my family to hang out with my grandfather prior to Thanksgiving. And he took me two Hooters. And I don't know if he quite knew what he was doing or if it was just an accident, but it definitely fucked me up a little bit. And as I relay in the piece, there was one moment of the meal where he stepped away to use the restroom and the waitress came over. And for the life of me, I can't remember exactly what she said, but it was something along the lines of, you're perfect just the way you are, kid. And it's just been like one of the most meaningful moments of my life. And sorry, but to fast forward, I tweet that out, I board the plane.

[Cameron Caskey]

Did we find delay? Did we find the Hooters?

[Tim Miller]

That's what's so.

[Cameron Caskey]

And you guys had a connection that would have been. That's the way for the story to end. She comes on the Lemon show after.

[Tim Miller]

I published the piece. Alyssa, master what Hooters was, would have been West Palm beach in West Palm beach.

[Cameron Caskey]

What year?

[Tim Miller]

I've probably been to that Hooters, like 2000. 2009 ish. 2009 ish.

[Cameron Caskey]

You know, Hooters waitress from the West Palm Beach Hooters around 2009, you contact me, I'm gonna. I wanna be the matchmaker that makes this hug happen. Cameron, you attended Hooters?

[Peter Twinklage]

Yeah, I like went a couple times in my family. I don't know. This is my conservative take. I think that people should be allowed to wear whatever they want. I think that when I see the gays that Rob Smith calls trashy for dressing like sluts, I'm like, pop off. You look great. Even when I don't think that's necessarily true. I think everyone looks beautiful with their bodies. When I see women dressed slutty, I'm like, yes, Queen Serve tonight. Slay. I'm with you. Snap, snap, snap. But in my head, when I see people dressed like that, keep in mind I am attracted to men and women alike. I do not deny myself half of the world's pleasure.

[Cameron Caskey]

Happy for you.

[Peter Twinklage]

But I don't like seeing people's bodies. It's not that I don't think people should be allowed to express themselves. It's not that I don't think people should be allowed to wear what they want. I support all of that. I think that that's great. But if I met a Hooters, I'm like, I don't want to see that. I don't. I don't like looking at people's bodies. Hot people, unattractive people. I don't care. Like, I'm. I'm not into it. I don't like being at the pool. I don't like people seeing my body. Like, I don't even like people seeing my body when I'm, like, hooking up with them. Like, when I'm done. Sure, it goes right back on because, I don't know, I don't like imposing that upon people.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do you. Do you reflect on that at all? Do you think that there's something underneath that?

[Peter Twinklage]

Well, at first I thought it was, like, some sort of insecurity and body dysmorphia, but then I'm like, no, I don't really like it when anybody's naked. I wish everybody was just wearing.

[Cameron Caskey]

You also don't like to be touched.

[Peter Twinklage]

I also don't like to be touched. That's true.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. I got a text. This is interesting. I got a text earlier from another one of the lefties in my life who's dunking on me over Zoran's victory, who said that they all similarly got into a fight today about where they were accused of being a conservative. That's what the text was about. Like, now I know what it feels like to be you. Because they were against public sex. And I was like, yeah, I'm left of you on that. Do you think that there should be a crackdown on public sex? Sex. Cameron, do you think there should be a legal.

[Peter Twinklage]

What kind of public are we talking?

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know. The park.

[Peter Twinklage]

The park? No, I do not think people should be allowed to have sex.

[Cameron Caskey]

The darker one about the bathroom. What about the Hooters?

[Peter Twinklage]

I'm going to go Hooters.

[Cameron Caskey]

Bathroom. Hooters bathroom.

[Peter Twinklage]

Hooters bathroom. I think it's a. I think it's gray area.

[Cameron Caskey]

Gray area. What about you, Peter? Hooters bathroom. Do you think that you should be able to have sex?

[Tim Miller]

I think I am. Anti sex in family. Family restaurant.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's a Hooters of family restaurant. This was something that confused me about your article, I have to say, because my parents were like Cameron. That's why I've reacted so opposite to them. And I'm so sex positive. They were very. I love them. Got great parents. Love them. Perfect sex. We didn't talk about it though. Very uncomfortable. No birds and the bees chat. No, you know, not. Nothing. And so the idea of them taking me to Hooters, like, it's the most insane thing I could ever imagine in my life. So the premise of your article was that it was a family restaurant and the dads would take their sons and the gay ones, you know, to kind of punch them up. And that like happens. Like that's. That is a real. That wasn't just a you thing. Like there are kids at Hooters.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. So I tweeted that out. Did not buy the wifi. On my flight back to New York from Colorado. And when I landed, I had somewhere in the ballpark of like 200, 300,000 likes and just a deluge of comments from predominantly gay men, but all different types of queer people who said that the exact same thing had happened to them. And so I pitched this piece to my editor, Parker Richards, who's just phenomenal at times. Yes, I would not have come together without him. And he then encouraged me to reach out to a bunch of these people, interview them, and then lastly go out to the nearest tutors. There's only one that remains in New York City. I believe it's out in Brooklyn. And what struck me, I went out there a couple of times. It was just tons and tons of families. They were the folks you would expect. Sort of the lonely looking older straight men who really just wanted someone to talk to. But just so many families. I note in the piece there were kids so young they needed to be placated with iPads. I agree, Tim. It is sort of odd that waitresses are so scantily clad and that just seems normalized to all the parents.

[Peter Twinklage]

But it seems it's the gay safe space. It's like the new Friends of Dorothy is the Friends of Hooters.

[Tim Miller]

That was. So in addition to interviewing a bunch of these queer dudes or queer people, I spoke to a ton of waitresses. And they said that this is not, you know, this is not a new or novel phenomenon to them either that they see tons of.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I was a grown man. I was not at Hooters, actually. I was at a down market Hooters spin off, forget what it was called, but it was also a wings place in Daytona beach where women dressed like they were at Hooters, but instead of having the Owls, whatever, had something else. And I took my father in law there the night before my child was born. She was born in. We were adopting her. She was born in Daytona. And that was a really memorable experience for me because he felt very comfortable in the space made less so. But I was happy to do it. And he was sharing some things about his. After we had a couple beers, it was a reflective moment for him, sharing some things about his past. And that was quite intimate.

[Peter Twinklage]

Pregame Toulouse at a knockoff Hooters.

[Cameron Caskey]

I pregame Toulouse at a Knox. Have you ever been to Daytona?

[Tim Miller]

I have not. Never had a Hooter.

[Cameron Caskey]

Where else do you go? Daytona is trash.

[Peter Twinklage]

Shout out. The Caskey family, My parents kept me safe from a lot of Florida. I was always curious why, growing up, I had stayed in a very, like, small, specific part of Long Island. Jew Florida, and then Fort Lauderdale and then Miami if we got heat tickets. And then, you know, I got a little older and I started to get an understanding of what Florida was. And I was like, oh, they were doing this to take care of me. They were doing this to protect me from a state that was like that a lot longer than people like to think it was. The Florida man didn't just happen in like 2018.

[Cameron Caskey]

Let me tell you, you didn't miss much in Daytona Beach. I was like, I had this. I was like, the Daytona 500s there. There's got to be like some cool stuff here. No, nothing, nothing. The birth of my child, though, very memorable place. I'd always have a special place in my heart, but not a great place to get a meal. Anything else? Do you guys have any other. Anything else you want to chit chat about? Anything else happening with the youth? I've got a mailbag question here.

[Tim Miller]

Go for it.

[Peter Twinklage]

Let's get into the mailbag.

[Cameron Caskey]

All right, before we get to the mailbag, Boomers, your questions are not good right now, okay? I don't want your questions about what we think about politics. You know, what is Cam's opinion about Senators? Like, let's have a little fun. We're loosening up, you know, we're loosening up here. We're looking to have to have for boomers to be enlightened into boomers, the.

[Peter Twinklage]

Lives of the youth boomers gang. First of all, I have more in common with you than I do with Gen Z. Anyway. If you actually listen to FYPOD regularly, you'll notice that I pull most of my cultural references from like the 50s. Yeah, but boomers, when you see Gen Z do and you're like, what the is going on with that? Like, that's what we want to hear about. Yeah, I don't want to talk about, like, whether or not I think John Fetterman should be put under a conservatorship, which I do. I don't think. I don't want to talk about whether or not I think John Fetterman should be locked in a room with like, soft foam blocks and like a coloring book that's just the Israeli flag. Like, I want to talk about your personal life. I want to talk about your sex life. Boomers send us questions about sex. I don't like being touched, but I love talking about boomer sex.

[Tim Miller]

We're gonna turn the FY pod into Dan Savage's podcast real fast.

[Cameron Caskey]

Dan's a listener. Dan. I've been onto the Dan Savage pod a couple times. He. He wanted me to come on to talk about politics. I was like, I will only come on if I can take sex questions. We can do politics, but I will.

[Peter Twinklage]

Dan Savage, a porn star.

[Tim Miller]

No, no, no.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, yeah. See, your cultural references are from the 50s. But like, you know, your societal familiarity with thing that happened in the 80s.

[Peter Twinklage]

And 90s is born in 2000 and his name is.

[Cameron Caskey]

He is like, he's the Dear Abby of gay men.

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Cameron Caskey]

He's a gay sex advice colonist. He was the. Is the OG gay sex advice columnist.

[Tim Miller]

I've also been on. He invited me on to talk about dude bros because I'm clearly a paragon of masculinity and I can teach.

[Cameron Caskey]

Did you get to take sex questions?

[Tim Miller]

I did.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's so fun.

[Peter Twinklage]

Dan Savage have me on, dude.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'll send this to him. He will. He'll send you. So send us your boomer sex questions. Would love to weigh in on that. Robert has this. When you ask boomers where they got a piece of false news, they always say they saw it on Facebook. Is there a Gen Z version of this? Do 20 year olds believe insane stuff like boomers do? If so, what?

[Peter Twinklage]

TikTok.

[Tim Miller]

TikTok.

[Peter Twinklage]

Twitter. TikTok and Twitter.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's worse. It's worse. For the Gen Z's.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

The TikTok is insane. You're like scrolling on TikTok sometimes. And somebody's like, the moon's made of cheese and like.

[Peter Twinklage]

And the moon that they use in the TikTok videos.

[Cameron Caskey]

AI, by the way, they're Tiktoks now. Somehow I got into a TikTok fucking rabbit hole of white dudes that look like Peter who go to Iran and Afghanistan and they like do selfie videos and they're like, things are great here. It's like better in Kabul than it is in Ohio. And like, Americans are so stupid. They don't understand how nice people are. Here's me eating, like when Tucker Carlson.

[Peter Twinklage]

Did one of those videos in Russia.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yes. So that's the boomer version. There's a literal equivalent of hot. Not like 25 year old guys in Afghanistan talking about how great the Taliban's doing.

[Peter Twinklage]

Everybody let it be known that Tim just insinuated that Tucker Carlson is hot. And you heard that in the episode.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, I did not. I was talking about the TikTok boys that are there. They're just little. They're frat boys, not Tucker. Tucker's looking kind of jowly and big.

[Tim Miller]

He has for a while.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't think he's on the GLP1s.

[Peter Twinklage]

If you are any sort of authoritarian regime around the country and you want to fly me out to make content, I. My price is not high. I will shill out for very little people. You know when people.

[Cameron Caskey]

We will fire you if that happens.

[Peter Twinklage]

Cameron, you know when people accuse you of being like a paid shill by the dnc? It's like, I would so take their money now. They don't pay me. Like, you wouldn't take the DNC's money?

[Tim Miller]

I would not take the DNC's money.

[Cameron Caskey]

No. I don't even go in the DNC. It asked me to come on their phone calls. I don't even want to go on their phone calls. I don't want to be.

[Peter Twinklage]

I wouldn't like take their money to do what they want. But I mean, I say stuff that people accuse me of being a DNC shill and it's like, if I just get to keep saying what I want and the DNC wants to give me that fucking David Hogg, Ken Martin money, I'm gonna take it.

[Cameron Caskey]

Cameron, would you have been one of the Bloomberg Bros? This was a real thing. When Bloomberg was running in the 2020 primary, he was paying people, oh, like $90,000. Yeah. Real money influencers. To post. Would you have taken Mike Bloomberg's money to post about how fucking vibey and how great Mike Bloomberg's aura is? Would you have done that?

[Peter Twinklage]

I would have tested the waters to see how subversive my performance art could have been. Because if I had been paid to do Bloomberg and I could have made like a fucking full on Tim Heidecker, Andy Kaufman bit out of it where I just, I got like Bloomberg pilled and I got inundated into the cult of Bloomberg and I got way too into him and started posting some like kind of Freudian sex daddy shit about Mike Bloomberg. He hadn't at the time had the accusations of sexual misconduct yet, right?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, he did. He had, yeah.

[Peter Twinklage]

Oh my God, dude. Okay, new rule for Democrats. If that happens, like a little flimsy, if I recall.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't want. Bloomberg's is litigious and I actually, I don't, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that there were some stories out that were, that were a little bit, a little bit flimsy.

[Tim Miller]

Have you called someone a horse faced lesbian yet?

[Peter Twinklage]

As far as anyone who is listening to this is concerned, Mike Bloomberg and Jim Clyburn have two things in common. Number one, perfect, supported and endorsed Andrew Cuomo. Number two, have never done anything wrong.

[Cameron Caskey]

Besides that it wasn't a great endorsement. Well, what a program. How do things. Is this kind of similar to how things go on the Don Lemon network or is it more, more in ship shape over there?

[Tim Miller]

Precisely the same tone.

[Peter Twinklage]

It's what does Don Lemon say about whether or not he likes to be touched or see people's boobs?

[Tim Miller]

I don't know if we've ever discussed that, but I can get back to you.

[Peter Twinklage]

Okay, great. I want to hear what Don says about seeing people's lemons.

[Cameron Caskey]

I've got a list of questions for Don that we're gonna have to, you know, you have to come back and with a kind of do a little Q and A sheet. It'll be like a little bonus segment. I love it because I had several things I wanted to hear I didn't know about.

[Peter Twinklage]

This has been FY pod. I am young white Tim Miller. This is young white Don Lemon. Get ready for more. Coming soon, we got a crazy week and then after that we've got Tim on vacation. When Tim is going to put me on with Bill Crystal.

[Cameron Caskey]

Watch out.