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Ryan Seacrest
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Tim Miller
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, I think it looks too good to be true.
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Tim Miller
Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true? It feels like it might be a Barry Bond situation, kind of.
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Jack Schlossberg
Hey, everyone, I'm Cameron Caskey.
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Tim Miller
I'm Tim Miller. And this is the Bulwarks FY Pod, where we usually only have Zoomer guests, you know, because it's the young Gen Z show. But we've made an exception for a young millennial, the bard of Gen Z. He's got a new YouTube show called Test Drive with Jack Schlossberg, where he talks to you from his van and he is with us right now in his van. It's he himself, Jack Schlossberg. What's up, man? That name is hard to say.
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Cameron Caskey
Hello, Schlossberg. Yes, but you nailed it.
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Tim Miller
Did I?
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Cameron Caskey
I think I got it right the.
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Tim Miller
First time, not the second time.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, welcome to my van. So happy to have you guys inside my van.
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Tim Miller
We. I can't wait to get inside your van. We couldn't be more excited to be here with you. I want to start like this. I think I'm assuming many of our viewers like me. You kind of like appeared out of the ether maybe like a year ago. You were posting thought posts on Instagram about how your uncle is weird. And I was like, I like the cut of this guy's jib and. But I know nothing about your life pre that, so why don't you. Why don't you tell us about it?
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Cameron Caskey
Well, I'm so happy that you saw my videos. I hope you, like, share, comment, follow.
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Tim Miller
I don't comment because I don't want it to get awkward, but I do like and share.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, like you kind of nailed it. Emerge from the ether. I don't really know what Ether means. But I'll tell you a little bit about my life before that. I would say my life's changed a lot in the last 18 months, like since that time you're talking about and kind of coinciding with what's going on in America and how severely things have changed in that same time frame. Yeah. Before I started dancing on camera with my shirt off talking about politics, I grew up in New York and I went to college, and then I went to. I worked in Japan for a year, and then I went to law school and business school, and I did that for a really long time. Yeah, same time. J.D. mBA.
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Jack Schlossberg
Wait, you can go to law school and business school at the same time?
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, yeah, you can. You might. You might not want to.
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Tim Miller
Are the other JD MBA people also content creators in their video?
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Cameron Caskey
No, I think I'm the only one. No, that is what's so funny. Oh, my God. That. It really is like. Yeah, the. The pipeline. I'm trying to build a pipeline. I'm starting to start. Start recruiting, but it's definitely a new. A new industry for the JD mba.
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Tim Miller
Cameron dropped out of college. And so, like, I feel like that's more normal to become a podcaster after being a failed college student than it is to be a J.D. mBA student. And then.
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Jack Schlossberg
Well, I'm very glad you said that, Tim, because that brings me to the first topic of today's episode, which is the airing dirty laundry topic. Um, so I was talking to the woman who I was in love with the one semester that I was at Columbia, fall semester 2019. And she said, she said, you know, I had a big crush on Jack. So I, I started to pull women I admire in my life to see how they felt. And I have three quotes. I have my best friend who said, set us up low key. I have my ex girlfriend who's also a contributor to the FY Pod channel, who said, please tell him I'm single. And then I have my freshman year true love who said I used to have a crush on him. So my question for you is no other ones.
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Tim Miller
That's it.
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Jack Schlossberg
I asked my mom too, and she said, he's handsome. But my question is for my freshman college girlfriend who said she used to have a crush on you. What is your case to win her back?
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Cameron Caskey
Let me start here. I'm sorry I let you down, whoever you are, and I know that I can do better. But, you know, I'm. I'm just questioning your sample size because I feel like we kind of look alike. We kind of Have a similar. You know, maybe we attract a certain type of person who's looking for a certain type of thing. And so maybe. Maybe if we pull the broader array, you would see the many times that you would meet some of the many women who have rejected me over the years.
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Jack Schlossberg
I always say, when you go unhinged politics Jew, it's hard to go back. Yeah, it's. It's really tough.
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Tim Miller
It is a. I thought you were a Catholic. Is. Is. Are you not a Catholic?
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, well, my dad's Jewish. My mom's Catholic. Definitely raised Catholic, but in a pretty Jewish way.
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Jack Schlossberg
I'm a half zoom.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
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Jack Schlossberg
I'm a half interfaith household. Yeah. My mom comes from a Catholic family. She converted to Judaism before we were born, so we could have the technically Jew pass. But it's so interesting. People will be like, judaism is in your blood. It's in your DNA. So whether you like it or not, you're Jewish. But then if your mother is not Jewish. Okay, so you.
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Tim Miller
Jack, do you feel like you disappointed all the Catholics that had, like, little kind of Kennedy shrines in their home? Your mother disappointed them kind of by leaving the faith a little bit.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, I think she actually proved that you can be very, very religious and still have an open mind and be open to new things. And I think that knowing more about other faiths can help you appreciate your own. And I think you get the sacraments.
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Tim Miller
Like, did you get first communion and confession?
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, First Communion.
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Tim Miller
Confirmation.
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Cameron Caskey
Did you get confirmation? No, no, because I. I couldn't do it that year because I couldn't walk that year, and my mom let me skip. So I wish I could say yes, but I did not, actually. I missed eighth grade confirmation class.
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Jack Schlossberg
My bar mitzvah was supposed to be the year that my parents got divorced, and then my parents told me they were getting divorced, and I was like, okay, that's my free pass out of having to do bar mitzvah classes.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah. Not doing this.
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Tim Miller
It's like you literally couldn't walk. Like you were crippled.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah. Like, yeah, I've had a bunch of bad injuries in my life. This one was in eighth grade on the first day of school. I was riding my bike to school, and my foot slipped off the pedal and it severed my Achilles tendon.
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Tim Miller
Wow.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah, I was, like, 13.
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Tim Miller
And that prevents you from confirmation class and you could have wheelchaired in or something.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah. No, like, if I really believed in God and wanted to go to heaven, then I probably would have done it, but I'm a heathen all Right.
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Tim Miller
There's still time. There's adult confirmation. Our friend JD Vance recently got reconfirmed as a Catholic. It's unclear that he goes to church. There's not any evidence that he actually goes to church. He changed his name several times and he's changed his religion. So that's something that you could do. I don't know. Did you sort of model yourself? You have a lot of interest in the van?
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Cameron Caskey
I think more and more about religion lately, actually.
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Tim Miller
In what way?
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Cameron Caskey
Well, I spent kind of like back to your original. Like when I started popping off whenever I arrived on your feedback, it was like a long time coming. And it's true that I did like do it in a new way, but at the same time, like, you know, I've been on the Profile Encourage award committee and presented that award every year. So I was like 18, right. And so like in some ways I've been doing it a long time and in other ways it was completely new. But kind of the period right before or like all that happened, during all that happened, I was living in Louisiana. The friend who of mine, who I knew from when I was a senate page and I like ended up there just because I was like, I gotta get out of New York and I just drove there and where in Louisiana?
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Tim Miller
I'm in New Orleans, you know.
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Cameron Caskey
Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, I love here. Oh, Covington. Okay. Other side of the other side.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
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Tim Miller
That's where Theobana's.
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Cameron Caskey
No way.
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Tim Miller
High school. Yeah.
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Cameron Caskey
I knew he's from Louisiana. Yeah. So like, for me that was a whole new world. Like I really hadn't spent much time in the south and definitely not Louisiana. Like, you know, the, the right. The. The presence of faith was something that I feel like was especially like Christian faith, especially where like where I was from. It was kind of like not looked down upon but definitely misunderstood. And I just kind of interacted with and saw like, not much. I only spent a couple months there. Like, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I was just like eye opening to see how present it was or just in a different way from where I grew up, which was like pretty. Like everyone I knew growing up was Jewish and I didn't really realize that I was like. I thought it was cool that I was Catholic like that or Christian. That was like interesting because everybody was Jewish were at my school. But yeah, I feel like I started thinking a little bit differently there and it was like, it was profound experience because at the same time I could feel this change coming, and I didn't really know what exactly was going to happen, but I was like, this is not. This is not cool. I love Joe Biden. And I've been looking at my phone for a couple of years, and everything is just. I don't see any of it. I don't see anything about him. Like, I don't hear anybody saying anything. Good. There's nothing on my phone. All these guys are talking about, like, this is right wing, and they don't even know that it's. That. It's like that.
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Tim Miller
What?
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Cameron Caskey
And. And that was happening for a long time. It was, like, really frustrating. But I was like, I can't say anything. I can't say anything. Being in Louisiana, my mind was opened, and I was like, no, no, no, no. Like, this really, really matters. I was, like, thinking about it in a much more deep way and less. And, like, willing to take more risk because I was like, I believe in this. I feel like this is, like, right and wrong and, like, I really want to say something.
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Jack Schlossberg
Wait, you were on the committee for the rfk, The Profile Encourage Award?
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Tim Miller
Oh, yeah.
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Cameron Caskey
No, that's. What do you mean? That's different. That's like. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to keep track, I know, but there's the JFK Library. Profiles Encourage is a book that my grandpa wrote about senators who took difficult stands. And there's an award that the JFK Library gives out every year to a public servant who puts country first. But I think you're referring to, like, a Humanitarian Award.
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Jack Schlossberg
In 2018, my friends and I won the RFK Award, and we went to the Capitol. Congratulations for the ceremony. And we are standing in some room, getting ready to go into some room, and they come up to me and they're like, okay, so who's going to speak? And everyone from March for Our Lives looks at each other, and we're like, someone was supposed to fudgeing speak. And, like, half of the Democrats in Congress are going to be at this thing. And suddenly I, the sacrificial lamb, am put up to just basically go sound like a fucking moron. And we go up. It's the podium where RFK announced his presidential bid. It is a room where in the first row was John Lewis. And I gave two of the stupidest fucking minutes of bullshit I've ever heard in my entire life, wearing an ugly gray suit with a purple tie that looked like shit. But God damn it, we won.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, I also did this thing, the New Frontier Ward, and we. We sell it we recognize you guys. I think was that way. Are we talking. It was the New Frontier Award in Boston. I feel like this. I gave our lives. Well, there's so many words hard to keep track of, but yeah.
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Tim Miller
How many awards have you won, Cameron?
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Jack Schlossberg
I don't know, but all I can say is get other Gen Z activists because we definitely racked up most of those bad boys. You ever hear about the Sunrise movement anymore? About those little climate nerds who are all hooking up with each other and talking shit about each other the whole time? No, man. We fucking. We fucking era.
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Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
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Tim Miller
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Jack Schlossberg
I'm so glad Mint Mobile lets you keep your existing contacts because I'm not going to explain why, but I have Sean Spicer's phone number. Let's get back to it.
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Tim Miller
Jack, I felt like your awakening of your. Your social media awakening happened, like, right around the last time you gave out one of those Profile Encourage awards to Mike Pence. I remember, like, this sort of contrast between, like, you know, like, you're shirtless at the beach, you know, kind of dancing, talking about, you know, how RFK is crazy. And then, like, you're in a. You're in, like, a blue blazer and a little tie. Your hair is combed.
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Cameron Caskey
Yes.
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Tim Miller
And you're like, Vice President Mike Pence.
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Cameron Caskey
Yes.
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Tim Miller
I really honor you and your work of avoiding being hungry on January 6th. So, right. Like, this is all. This is. This is right. My timeline's right. Right. This is all happening simultaneously.
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Cameron Caskey
I mean, we really like it. It might as well be right. There's like. I mean, I could tell. No, like, that was only a couple months ago, but I feel like I popped off, like, a year ago. But anyway, it's all. It's all the same. I would say, like, I do. It was all very, very, very deliberate. Like, I had held my tongue and had been, you know, when our.
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Tim Miller
Why did you feel like you had to hold your tongue? Just, like, family started, you wanted a job.
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Cameron Caskey
It was just like, first of all, I was like, in school. No, no, no. It was like, I don't want to have to, like, talk. Like, this was like, what, 2023?
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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Cameron Caskey
And it was like he was running for president for. It was like, I don't want to. Like, Like, I don't want to. I don't have to, like, go and make a public statement. Like, why would it. Like. And then it kept growing and growing and growing, and it, like, took on a life of its own. And it was like. And I saw his alliance with Trump a mile. A mile away. It was just like, duh, same donors. Like, and it was. And so I got. Kept getting so many press requests. So many press requests, and it was like, no, no, no, I don't. Like, I just. Like, I don't want to. Like, that's not my life. Like, I need to focus on what I'm doing. You know what? Like, whatever. And then I went to go work on. On the Biden campaign, because I was like, that would be a really good. Like, if I can't. I, Like, I don't want to, like, take this on myself, but I'll go, like, put my money where my mouth is and go do that. And long story short, you know, the Biden campaign was a short lived thing and what didn't have a risk appetite for social media. And I felt it kept going on and on and on with RK Jr getting more and more severe. And I was like very, very worried about it early on. And I was like, this is a real problem. I mean not for just because of what he stands for, but also because he used President Kennedy, you know, very often in his campaign commercials, his super bowl commercial, remember that? But fuse the Kennedy campaign slogan and like to me that's, you know, propaganda. Like you're stealing something from the American people, like you're stealing our history from them and co opting it for yourself. And like, who knows who's paying for this, like what is going on here? But it took me a while to build up the courage to be like, you know what, like I'm going to just do this my way. And everyone told me I was crazy when I did it my way. And my way was like, okay, I'm going to say something that's going to break through because if I just like say I am troubled by his rhetoric and it's like sick and it's like if I'm gonna do that, like if I'm gonna say how I like what I think and it's, it's something I've thought a lot about and I'm sure of and I have real reasons for it then like, okay, when you got people looking then like give them something else that will like help balance that. And so like a part of me dancing with my shirt off and stuff was like, no, no. People need to understand that like a young fun person can love Joe Biden and be a Democrat.
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Tim Miller
So you're telling me that the, that the accusations that the dancing with your shirt off of that, you know, some might say that was gay baiting for engagement. And what you're saying is that was Joe Biden baiting actually you were just definitely just doing Joe Biden shit. You weren't doing any, any unfair.
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Cameron Caskey
I mean I would say like, like yeah, I mean maybe I was, maybe I wasn't. For me it was like about becoming comfortable, actually just doing what I thought was like gonna work. And so like, you know, it's transformed over time.
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Tim Miller
It's like completely developed like good intentions. You're trying to get good vibes, you're trying to get engagement for Joe Biden. You weren't like, I thought you were leading land.
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Cameron Caskey
I was like, I What do we have to lose? Do we have to lose what? I made a dumb video. Like, no, there's not one else really. I don't see my people. Like, it was a long, like, people forget like two, three years ago. There's a lot of, a lot of progressive media that's like popped up in the last year or so. But like, there was very little, like, anyway, there's very little positive Joe Biden said.
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Jack Schlossberg
That brings me to my big question, which you said something really interesting that I had been saying to people I knew on the Biden campaign, people I knew in the Harris campaign. Risk appetite on social media. With Harris, it's like, okay, they were making these kind of like half hazard attempts to say Kamala is brat and do the coconut meme and stuff like that. But when you're talking about working, she.
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Tim Miller
Never said the coconut line during the campaign. So they really didn't even do half assed attempt. I was begging for it.
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Jack Schlossberg
She failed to distance herself from the coconut line. But you're, Jack, you're widely considered somebody who knows how to make people look at stuff on social media. What was your strategy for Biden in terms of social media risks? Like, what the fuck do you say to the Joe Biden campaign to get them to have Joe do whatever. The Biden version of dancing shirtless on.
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Cameron Caskey
The beaches, just to back up on one thing he said, which was, I think that, you know, as badly overwhelmed as we were on social media, and it was our own fault, like, the Harris campaign was the shining example. Like, they were the, you know, they were did way more than what was happening before and they showed way more willingness to take risk than what came before them. And that's not to criticize President Biden. It's just like we were slow to this and we were risk averse. So like, I think that they, like, they had a hundred days and I think that like they actually moved the ball forward a lot and involved younger people. And the DNC had a lot of creators. And like in the beginning of the campaign when I started making my videos, like, you're crazy. Like, by the end I was like working with the campaign, but you know, everyone was like, make more videos. So I feel like people did come around, but I think that we talk a lot about the gender gap, how to attract young men. And to me it's like, I don't know. But I think that risk taking is something that Democrats don't do so well in terms of public discourse and that that could be a reason that we Fail to penetrate.
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Tim Miller
What do you mean by risk taking?
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Cameron Caskey
We're doing it now. We actually are doing it now. Like people started cursing on Twitter like this year. You know what I mean? Like the D triple C. Like they say the F word now, like in a statement. Like that's completely new. Like that people are willing to say straight up, like, I mean like Jasmine Crockett. They're like speaking directly. Like they're like cutting through and making a point of like, of, of shouting as best you can online, I think.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. No, it's like, what is risk taking? I don't know. Pedophile. Now that's like DNC is doing like pedophile protection, right?
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Cameron Caskey
So like language. Language, I think, and just like something that you know you're playing a game. The medium is the message.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's like it is Ryan here and I have a question for you. What do you do when you win? Like, are you a fist pumper?
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Cameron Caskey
A woohoo?
- [21:19]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [21:35]
Tim Miller
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- [21:42]
Cameron Caskey
This is an algorithm that I'm like trying to please. This has nothing to do with like what I actually like self. I mean, it's like it's a game. So it's like, okay, you know, like, here's my play. That's like an instinct that I feel like develops, but I think Democrats are finding ways. But it's hard. It's hard when you're in the minority and you don't have any power to do anything but say that things are messed up.
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Jack Schlossberg
Well, I think there's a difference. I, I think it just depends on who we're talking about because some Democrats try to do influencery content. That might work if it was somebody else. But we've got a couple examples, right? We've got Hakeem Jeffries posting a picture of him holding a baseball bat. We've got Zoran Mamdani making videos in New York City with a beautiful color palette and using Bollywood imagery for his logo. We've got Eric Swalwell ripping off the subway takes guy on the, on the train. And we've got Brian Schatz who just makes videos where he's talking to people like a person.
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Tim Miller
And.
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Jack Schlossberg
And I think that the social media game is bespoke to the congressperson, but some of them are also trying too hard to be content creators that they just aren't. You know what I'm saying?
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Cameron Caskey
I know what you're saying. It's definitely like, sometimes you're like, like, no way. Like. But I also think that it's like, you know, it's a. You're an actor. You're like a performer, and that's a hard job, especially if you have to actually also be a sitting elected official. So it's like, I have a lot of sympathy for them, I think. Like, I don't know what to. To tell them other than to try to show people through what I post, like, the strategies I'm using, I guess.
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Jack Schlossberg
Who do you think is doing it the best?
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Cameron Caskey
I think a lot of people are like, I think Shots gives really good speeches. I think Chris Murphy is a. A very clear communicator. I think lately John Ossoff has been doing really good written statements on his Instagram. At least that's where I encounter them, where they're very clear and they're hitting on constant themes like corruption, like hammering home corruption and deficits. And I think that that's really important. And, like, he's doing a good job. And people are willing to read or listen longer because people want information now. I think. So Things like leaning into that not being. Not thinking, like, oh, everyone's attention span is. Is tiny and no one cares. It's like, I think people really do want to know the information.
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Tim Miller
You were saying that you. They think you think they should look to you for.
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Cameron Caskey
No, no, no, no, no.
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Tim Miller
What about, like, Lucia Vance is hot. Yes. And I want to fuck her. Like, that's probably not.
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Cameron Caskey
I didn't say I want Brian.
- [24:19]
Tim Miller
Shots, Descent. I don't know, maybe this.
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Cameron Caskey
You can object to that, but for.
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Tim Miller
I'm not objecting to it.
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Cameron Caskey
For me, it's like, you know, growing up, like, I've seen how this is done to my own family members. And so it's like, for me, that's like a commentary on. It's like a Met. It's like, what Will, like, the New York Post is going to, like, if I write this, like, they're gonna come up with their worst about it, and then it's like, okay, but you're writing it not about Trump for one second, at least. Okay, so it's like throwing wrenches in the system in creative ways. Because from where I sit it's like, this is not normal. The law is being broken in broad daylight every single day. And if I'm scared to, like, make a joke about somebody when, like, this is all people say about. That's just like this. That's, you know, that's just what I think. And so. So not a joke.
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Tim Miller
So you don't. I just. Just for. Just, you know, because I'm a journalist.
- [25:24]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah. Yeah.
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Tim Miller
You don't think Usha Vance is hot?
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Cameron Caskey
I think she's absolutely beautiful. Are you kidding me? I never said that. I said. I didn't say I want to F her.
- [25:31]
Tim Miller
Oh, okay. Sorry.
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Jack Schlossberg
Is so stunning. I am so amazing. All of her terrible decision making with men. But that. That doesn't lead me to my next question, but I'm just gonna say that it does.
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Tim Miller
Rankings. We said we were going to do a ranking of the hottest second ladies.
- [25:53]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
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Tim Miller
Okay, so if you're going to change the subject. Do you not. Do you. Do you have any nominees besides Usha.
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Jack Schlossberg
I can probably name, like, Marilyn Quail.
- [26:02]
Tim Miller
Do you have any thoughts about Marilyn Quayle? What.
- [26:05]
Jack Schlossberg
What. What century is Marilyn Quayle even from?
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Tim Miller
She was Dan Quayle's wife. I don't know who Dan W. Bush is. Dan Quail. You don't know Dan Quail couldn't spell potato. This is before you were born. He couldn't spell potato. It was kind of a big scandal in the 19. In the late 1980s, early 1990s.
- [26:21]
Cameron Caskey
Didn't he write it on a chalkboard or something?
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Tim Miller
Yeah, he added an E to the end. P O, A T O, E. Yeah, that wasn't great. Margarita Rockefeller looks pretty. Oh, wait. Joan Mondale. Wow.
- [26:33]
Cameron Caskey
Right? That's what I'm talking about. Right.
- [26:35]
Tim Miller
Joan Mondale is kind of stunning.
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Jack Schlossberg
Tim, when you were a Republican communication strategist, communications director for Jeb Bush, how would you have spun potato being spelled wrong.
- [26:47]
Tim Miller
Boy, that's a tough one. I think that your candidates really put you in a pickle if they spell potato wrong. You know, I think that I probably would have made a joke about how hot.
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Cameron Caskey
Right.
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Tim Miller
So they start talking about something else. Yeah. Move on to the next. I think you got to do something worse. Then you know something. You got to lean into it.
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Jack Schlossberg
Probably it works when Trump does it, like, do something worse, get them talking about the worst thing, and then it kind of goes away. That's kind of one of the things I'm the most scared about with this Epstein stuff is that Trump is just going to do increasingly worse and worse things in order to try and divert people's attention from it. But I read somewhere recently that RFK Jr against whom you've been very outspoken, had some sort of relationship with Jizz Maxwell. Like, do you know anything about that?
- [27:38]
Cameron Caskey
I don't know anything about that. But yeah, I don't know. This Epstein thing, it feels like, you know, people have been like titillated by conspiracy for a really long time and then it was like, oh, we're finally going to find the answer to one of these mysteries. And I think that's why it's so. It's. I mean it obviously, the underlying crimes are obviously awful, but I also think it's just like has life of its own in such a crazy way.
- [28:06]
Jack Schlossberg
It's like kind of the ultimate conspiracy theory because it covers like everybody. It gets regular Republicans really upset. It gets the crazy fringe anti Semites really hyped up.
- [28:17]
Cameron Caskey
How could it not get you upset? It's absolutely crazy.
- [28:20]
Jack Schlossberg
Like what I know and it's just like even normal non conspiratorial thinking people are like holy. This is like the conspiracy that we know.
- [28:30]
Tim Miller
And it's not. It's not a conspiracy. I mean the only part about it is kind of a conspiracy is whether he killed himself or whether somebody offed him in jail. Like that part is like a bit.
- [28:37]
Cameron Caskey
Of either way isn't Bill. Why is Bill Bar not like either it's negligence or something else? Like how did that happen?
- [28:45]
Tim Miller
Yeah, I mean do you have a theory of why there? I mean do you have any Trump Bar theories of your own about or.
- [28:51]
Cameron Caskey
I have no idea. But I think that this is happens to be like a very easy thing to understand in a lot of ways. But like they're doing this ev. Or in many other places too. Similar types of blatant illegal behavior that then is completely just overtly denied and like we don't expect them to tell the truth anymore in press conferences. We don't expect it. Like he's asked a question. Did you know about whatever the signal chat? Like no, I had no idea. And like with utter confidence, you know, like, like that's so I have no idea what's going on. But I. What I do know is that they, the second administration seems a lot more confident in what they're. They're just what they're doing and that terrifies me.
- [29:42]
Tim Miller
I wonder your thought on like going back to kind of what Dem social media stuff can do. I mean I think that they have been. I think we all agree they've been more aggressive, which is good. But I don't know, man. I feel like they could go even further on the Epstein stuff. Like, and it doesn't have to be everybody. It doesn't have to be the, you know, whatever, chairman of the DNC or whatever. But, like, I think Dem Paul, like, Dem Paul's at this point could start being a little bit more reckless in their comments about Trump.
- [30:09]
Cameron Caskey
That's kind of what I mean, where it's like, I think so, too. And so I try to, like. Yeah, I think, I think you're completely right. I feel like it's like, what are we waiting for? You're not being hyperbolic. This is insane.
- [30:23]
Tim Miller
So, yeah, and he's covering it up. He's in there. We know he's in there. They've got a file. They said that the FBI guys flagged his name. So they've got a file for where his name is in the files. And so they've got a list of all the times Trump's mentioned in there. So just show it. And if you're not showing it, it's. It's got to be because, like, the accusations are really bad. I get fucking annoyed at the TV people that are like, well, just because he's in there doesn't mean that he did anything wrong. It's like, really? I don't know. I mean, it's not like they were just on the same wedding invite list. It's like, like, it's like. It's like he's all over the files of, of a child sex trafficker. Like, he probably did something that totally.
- [31:00]
Cameron Caskey
Do you understand? Because I don't feel like I do why this is happening right now.
- [31:04]
Tim Miller
Yeah, because they put out that stupid statement. They. It was a total rape step. Pam Bondi. So, like, back in March, they were like, we're going to figure out who's in the Epstein files. Probably because they wanted to get, you know, they were like, we're going to get Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew and, you know, random Kennedy cousins and like, whatever. It'll be all the live elites, Right, that we're going to get. And so we sent a bunch of FBI agents to go through all the files. And then, like, in May, they said to Trump, you're in them. And then, like, in July, they put out a statement that was like, we decided we're going to put this to rest. You know, so, like, they put out that statement. Oh, that's also. And also Elon tweeted. Yeah.
- [31:46]
Cameron Caskey
Oh, right.
- [31:48]
Tim Miller
Yeah. But I. It was them putting out that statement that was like, we're you know, nothing to see here. We're chilling. That like caused the firestorm.
- [32:00]
Jack Schlossberg
So my question for you guys is.
- [32:01]
Cameron Caskey
Like, it's almost like they don't know what they're doing.
- [32:04]
Jack Schlossberg
When Trump was campaigning and saying, we're going to release the files, we're going to release the files, is it that he thought he could get away with releasing certain parts of the files that didn't feature him, or do you think he just straight up didn't even know that he was in them?
- [32:19]
Tim Miller
I don't think Trump has object permanence. Like, I think that he like just lives like one fucking second at a time, you know, and he's like, I'm going to say whatever I need to say to get me through today and then tomorrow I'm going to say whatever I need to say tomorrow. I think it's, I don't know that it was a deep thinking.
- [32:36]
Jack Schlossberg
Yeah, it's something they say on succession about the Rupert Murdoch character. They're like, I don't think he's thinking about anything other than putting one foot in front of the other. But another friend of mine was like, okay, Epstein had this whole island. There was obviously the child pedophile evil part of the island, but there were, there was also like tennis courts and scuba diving or whatever. And there might have been people who went to the Epstein island just for like the vacay and didn't even know about all the pedophile stuff. So maybe, yeah, that's what Trump did because.
- [33:09]
Cameron Caskey
Because there's no tennis courts anywhere else. Only one you could buck.
- [33:16]
Jack Schlossberg
I was with a Republican girl that I've been friends with since I was very young last night, and she was telling me that she watches victim testimonies from the Epstein stuff and that there are videos of people who allegedly were part of the Epstein pedophile ring giving their full on full blown testimony, testimony. And they were saying that there were like science labs and shit like that there. And whenever someone I'm with puts their tinfoil hat on, I'm like, imma let them cook. Keep spilling and everything. And she started talking about human cloning and stuff like that. And I was like, you know what?
- [33:50]
Cameron Caskey
Bubba Wallace here from 2311 Racing.
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Tim Miller
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Cameron Caskey
Up waiting a lot.
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Cameron Caskey
Wow.
- [34:21]
Jack Schlossberg
Republicans need to get more conspiratorial about this and it leads to them hating Trump more. As long as it doesn't get to the Jews, I'm cool with it. You could think that there was cloning going on, as long as it keeps you saying, release the Epstein files. But Tim, if you don't have anything else.
- [34:38]
Tim Miller
Cloning.
- [34:39]
Jack Schlossberg
There could have been cloning. I mean, we cloned sheep, didn't we?
- [34:42]
Tim Miller
I mean, I've seen. It was into some weird shit. He had the. What was the. He had to see it. Like a scientist conference down there with the guy that, like, who's the guy that just talked through the talk through his wheelchair?
- [34:55]
Cameron Caskey
Stephen Hawking.
- [34:56]
Tim Miller
Yeah, Stephen Hawking was down there. Like, his dick doesn't even work. What was he doing on the island? Was he just getting his neck rubbed by the girls or what was happening?
- [35:05]
Cameron Caskey
I feel like I have two thoughts. One is that the human tragedy is just like, once you enter that level of it and you realize, like, that's what we're talking about. It's like, holy. It's just so profoundly just dark and sad evil. The second thing is how compromised are the. Like, what about national security? How compromised are all of these people? Like, there are so many conflicting interests. There is clearly so much intelligence on so many characters. It's definitely not a good look.
- [35:36]
Tim Miller
No, it's not a good look.
- [35:38]
Jack Schlossberg
It's just so weird that some people are saying maybe there aren't Epstein files. Cuz like, I know people who keep a guest book for their summer home and if you forget to write in the guest book when you visit, they like actually get offended. And I'm like, I feel like Epstein probably kept a. A guest list for like, what?
- [35:57]
Cameron Caskey
He had left zero evidence of anything he did. Like, what, What?
- [36:02]
Jack Schlossberg
He wasn't doing it for blackmail. He wasn't doing it for bribery. He was doing it for love of the fucking game.
- [36:07]
Cameron Caskey
Do you think there's any chance that Democrats, you know, we talk. We are not people fixate on this. And then to the advantage of Trump.
- [36:16]
Tim Miller
I mean, I think it could definitely be to the disadvantage of Bill Clinton. I would not be in a good mood in Chappaqua right now. Like, because if I'm those guys and I'm like trying to distract shit, I'm just like, we're going to go throw the book at like Bill Clinton and Whatever. Another rant. Some other random Dems. So I don't know that it'll actually help Trump, but. But there could definitely be some. Some shrapnel.
- [36:40]
Jack Schlossberg
One of the things that weirded me out was just the way that, that Clinton and Trump wrote to Epstein. Like, if you actually read the letters that they apparently wrote for his birthday, like the, the Clinton and Trump letters, letters to Epstein, they were kind of romantic and sort of a little gay. You know what I'm talking about?
- [36:59]
Tim Miller
I don't because I'm a gay and I don't write letters to my male friends. So I don't know what was. What was just letter writing itself is gay. Male. Male Letter writing. 60 Minutes journalist voice. So, Jack, you kind of did admit to gay baiting, though. While we're discussing the gays one more time, you are doing. You are doing intentional gay baiting.
- [37:19]
Cameron Caskey
Whether that is a consequence of my actions. Yeah, to the extent that. The extent, sure.
- [37:27]
Tim Miller
But you want to apologize to any homosexuals out there who are feeling misled by the content that you are producing.
- [37:35]
Jack Schlossberg
Or don't do it.
- [37:37]
Cameron Caskey
Well, let me. Let me say this. Not only am I sorry, I'll never do it again.
- [37:45]
Tim Miller
That is not believable. Do not make a promise you cannot keep, Jack. Not on FY pod.
- [37:51]
Jack Schlossberg
I think some people are accused of gay baiting just for being hot. And it's like, yeah, if you're a guy who's like, hot, especially if you're twinky or twinky, you're going to get accused of gay bait. If you're a guy who dresses. Harry Styles gets accused of gay baiting.
- [38:05]
Cameron Caskey
I like, right? I mean, like, I.
- [38:09]
Tim Miller
He just admitted it. Cameron, why are you running cover for him?
- [38:12]
Cameron Caskey
What for?
- [38:12]
Jack Schlossberg
I'm running cover for all of the men who I like.
- [38:14]
Cameron Caskey
I'm like, I feel like you're. You're definitely joking. Like, I don't like, like, was I gay baiting? Definitely. Like, of course. Like, that was everything baiting. It was like, I'm gonna throw everything at the wall. Like, I'm not, like, try. I'm not, like, secretly trying to, like, gay. I don't even know what that. I don't actually know that term. But yeah, I'm definitely trying to, like, be weird. I don't know, like, that's my version of, like, being, like. I don't know. There is a thing about masculinity there of like, yeah, like, act gay and I don't care.
- [38:44]
Tim Miller
Do you go through your messages on Instagram, like, from sometimes and, like, what percentage of those do you think are from gay men? Would you say, like, 60% or what percentage of the.
- [38:54]
Cameron Caskey
Of the males. Of the males.
- [38:57]
Tim Miller
Of the total say. I would say, like population of messages. What percentage are gay males, do you think?
- [39:03]
Cameron Caskey
Probably 42. Yeah, probably like, no, probably less. Probably 20. I would say of the males, it may be 90%.
- [39:15]
Tim Miller
There aren't too many dudes just trying.
- [39:16]
Jack Schlossberg
To pro my ex girlfriend. Probably like at least 25%. Everybody please leave a comment down below on if you think that Trump and Trump and Clinton's letters to Epstein were gay or if I'm just being a jerk. Tim, I'm pretty satisfied with this gay conversation. Can I move on to my next topic?
- [39:33]
Tim Miller
Okay, yeah, I've got. We're on it. We got to go rapid fire now because I've got a couple we haven't touched either. So.
- [39:39]
Jack Schlossberg
Real quick, Jack, just three questions for you. This is called Gen Z Trivia with Jack Schlossberg. Jack, what is the most annoying Gen Z trend?
- [39:48]
Cameron Caskey
I don't know any of them. Can you name some and I'll tell you?
- [39:52]
Tim Miller
You don't get annoyed. You don't get annoyed.
- [39:53]
Cameron Caskey
I don't know them. I don't know what they are. I don't. Could you tell me a few that I know? So they know what they are?
- [39:58]
Jack Schlossberg
Just like zoomer quality. That's considered a zoomer thing where you're like, oh, my God, shut the up.
- [40:05]
Tim Miller
I don't like a word. Or like how everybody's got an aura.
- [40:08]
Cameron Caskey
Oh, yeah, you know, I don't like the. Here's what I don't like. I don't like the blue jeans, white Air Force ones. Ten people, all friend group. They all wear them. That's what I see from Gen Z. I see a lot of the same outfits.
- [40:23]
Jack Schlossberg
Okay. Dante, put 10 points on the screen.
- [40:26]
Tim Miller
Yeah, I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustaches. And I don't.
- [40:29]
Cameron Caskey
I love Gen Z. I don't like.
- [40:31]
Tim Miller
Them calling things coded. Everything isn't something coded.
- [40:34]
Cameron Caskey
Oh, yeah, you know, oh, I don't like no cap. I don't know why, but I just don't like it. I don't know what it mean.
- [40:40]
Tim Miller
I don't get it when white people say it.
- [40:42]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, that's. Maybe that's. It's like, maybe that's why I don't like it, because it sounds weird. People say, I don't know.
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Jack Schlossberg
I'm with you. I don't say no cap. But I do call certain things cap, so maybe I'm a little agnostic. All right, question number one. Two out of number two. There's three questions here. What was the main thing you wasted time on during the pandemic?
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Cameron Caskey
Pandemic was weird for me because I, I, it's like a long story, you know, but I was like, I was very injured, like, for two years before the pandemic and then all throughout the pandemic. So I was like two years ahead of everybody on the pandemic.
- [41:18]
Tim Miller
Another surgery.
- [41:20]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, that one was really bad. Yeah, like, I had really bad injury and I can only walk for like four years, like, barely. So that was wheelchair. I was like, in bed. I could walk, like, short distances. I had crutches for a long time and I was on, like, in bed for a lot. But yeah, I could, like, walk around the block, but that would basically be it for like, a pretty long time.
- [41:41]
Tim Miller
Said, what did you do in bed? Like, what?
- [41:43]
Cameron Caskey
Well, I was in school, so I just literally was studied all day. I got really into like, I watch a lot of cnbc. I would say that's, that's kind of where I wasted a lot of my time.
- [41:54]
Tim Miller
But I have a favorite CNBC personality.
- [41:57]
Cameron Caskey
I have a love hate relationship with Joe Kernan. He doesn't know about it, but, like, he enrages me and, but he makes me think because he is so consistently. His perspective is like, okay. Like, I know. I feel like it's helped me, but it really enrages me.
- [42:15]
Jack Schlossberg
All right, last question. Who is the greatest Gen Z artist?
- [42:19]
Cameron Caskey
Artist.
- [42:21]
Jack Schlossberg
Yes. Of any kind.
- [42:23]
Cameron Caskey
Who's the greatest Gen Z artist? I don't really think in terms of like, that's Gen Z, that's not Gen Z. Like, is Gracie Abrams Gen Z? Is Billie Eilish Gen Z? That's like, that's. Yeah. Is Shyamalay Gen Z?
- [42:40]
Jack Schlossberg
Yes.
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Cameron Caskey
Okay.
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Tim Miller
He's the best.
- [42:42]
Cameron Caskey
He's the best.
- [42:42]
Jack Schlossberg
I think he's a Cusper.
- [42:43]
Cameron Caskey
He's definitely the best.
- [42:45]
Jack Schlossberg
The correct answer, by the way, is Congressman Maxwell Frost, who does extraordinary work. But I'll let you go with that.
- [42:49]
Tim Miller
It is, it is. Cusper is definitely. Right. I mean, so would you like, if you had to rank, though, like, you know, for example, I don't know, just like pulling some names out of the air, like Billie Eilish versus Olivia Rodrigo. Oh.
- [43:03]
Cameron Caskey
If I had to choose, I couldn't. Who ranking is better? Well, at what? At what? I really, I really couldn't be that hard.
- [43:12]
Tim Miller
Full spectrum artistry. Because I think a Charisma, uniqueness, nerve in town look like Great. You have to be RuPaul. You got a one of them. Shantae, you stay. One of them. Sashay away.
- [43:25]
Cameron Caskey
Right.
- [43:25]
Tim Miller
Sorry. You have to do it.
- [43:26]
Cameron Caskey
I would say that there's no way that I have to answer who is better.
- [43:33]
Tim Miller
You have to sashay away. One of them has to be sashayed away.
- [43:37]
Cameron Caskey
I really like the song. Good for you. Okay. And I think that Olivia Rodrigo has the X factor and has what it takes.
- [43:44]
Tim Miller
Shantae, you stay. Okay. That's a good pick. I want to go back to your. Is it uncle or cousin? RFK Jr. We get to the mailbag. Cousin. I don't do the Kennedy family tree. Really? Is it not As a former Republican, you know, it doesn't, Yeah, I understand the whole mystique doesn't really work for me, but kind of like you appearing with your, with your thought Instagrams. He kind of appeared for me out of nowhere. Like all of a sudden he's running for president. You know, there's the bear in the woods and like the, you know.
- [44:13]
Cameron Caskey
My sister wrote that story.
- [44:16]
Tim Miller
Yes, yes. Isn't that so wild as a reporter? Yeah, yeah. No, I did like a 30 minute breakdown of the bear story for YouTube one time. So I'm well aware of your sister's important role there for you, just as an observer. Like, when did he cross over from being like, kind of like weird, like vaccine guy, but kind of like all my cousins are kind of weird but sort of charming. And he's got a little thing. When did it cross over from that to like malicious, you know, effort to undermine the American democracy. Like, how did that.
- [44:45]
Cameron Caskey
Well, you know, I actually don't know him personally well at all. I haven't spent much time with him. Most of that.
- [44:51]
Tim Miller
You guys just like meet at hyenas something every year, Fourth of July.
- [44:55]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, no, I, I, no, I, I, I don't have like, we, there's no like, thing where we all. Yeah. And like there's like a family. Like, I have my, my family, my parents and sisters and we spend a lot of time together. Super close. But it's not for my generation at least it's, I think they, I don't know. Anyway, sure. To answer your question, I think that he's been troubled for a long time. So I don't think it was a crossover.
- [45:19]
Jack Schlossberg
He was just following the wave, basically.
- [45:22]
Cameron Caskey
Or like, I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good as mine.
- [45:25]
Tim Miller
So it's like not that weird because I was Thinking be, like, kind of weird, right, if my, you know, whatever, like my uncle's kid or whatever was, like, all of a sudden was like a Donald Trump spokesperson. And, like, that would be a hard thing for me to process. But. But, like, what you're saying is, like, you didn't really hang out before, so there was. Yeah, yeah.
- [45:44]
Cameron Caskey
Like, I can't speak to, like, a change or anything like that.
- [45:46]
Tim Miller
Yeah.
- [45:47]
Cameron Caskey
But I'll say that, like, what you said is true. Like, I emerge and he emerged well, like, his decision to do what he did and to use our family name legacy. The images of my grandfather, President Kennedy, in tons of his own ads, campaigns, going on every podcast talking about the JFK assassination, saying he knew what happened at the CIA killed President Kennedy without any evidence. And, like, that's why I was compelled to do, like, that's what. That's why I had. People were looking when I posted, like, you know, so, so. And I also why I felt obligated and just motivated because I spent a lot of time thinking about my grandfather. And, like, people often think about the most dramatic or scandalous moments of people's life, but there's so much, like, super important history that I find genuinely inspiring that is under attack right now from the President, United States, who's fixated on, like, diminishing President Kennedy or tying himself to him or whatever it is, but he's fixated. And so I felt like, oh, my gosh, whether I like it or not, I'm involved here, and I don't think I'll be able to live with myself if I don't say something.
- [46:58]
Tim Miller
Do you have broader maha thoughts, like, outside of the construct of, like, the candidate?
- [47:03]
Cameron Caskey
Just that, like, he's a. I mean, I will give him credit that he's a genius for saying a bunch of things that people already all agree on, like, processed food is bad and sugar is bad and. And getting people to believe that there's some revelation I think is impressive accomplishment.
- [47:21]
Tim Miller
You got one other thought on him, and then we can move on.
- [47:23]
Cameron Caskey
You, you, you.
- [47:23]
Tim Miller
You guys both have done shirtless content.
- [47:25]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
- [47:26]
Tim Miller
And I will say your body types are very different.
- [47:28]
Cameron Caskey
Very, very different.
- [47:28]
Tim Miller
Do you think that that's a natural. I mean, do you think that's a Maha natural muscle tone from him? Or do you think maybe there's some supplemental.
- [47:35]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, I think if it looks too good to be true.
- [47:40]
Tim Miller
Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true?
- [47:43]
Jack Schlossberg
Real quick, everybody.
- [47:44]
Tim Miller
Barry Bond situation, kind of. Yeah.
- [47:47]
Jack Schlossberg
Before we get to Boomer Mailbag, Dante, can you just throw up the video of President Trump snubbing Cheryl Hines at the UFC game?
- [47:56]
Ryan Seacrest
The fights are on.
- [47:57]
Tim Miller
It's pretty incredible. Crazy. It's insane.
- [48:02]
Jack Schlossberg
Okay, Boomer Mad bag time.
- [48:04]
Tim Miller
It is about to be Boomer mag time. But the first Boomer mailbag question was from Jack Schlossberg. Actually, he posted this on social media. Which member of the Trump cabinet has had the most homosexual experiences? I have a very strong view on this, but I wanna go last. So, Cameron, I'd like to hear your answer first. Which Trump cabinet? I guess we could include Scott Besant. And he is an avowed homosexual with a Barbie house. But it's possible he's like the kind of gay that's only had one. Maybe it's just him and his husband and that's it. So you could throw him in if you want. Cameron, you go first.
- [48:37]
Jack Schlossberg
I think Slay D. Vance is probably the gayest one. I know this is kind of a hot take, but just I read a bunch of his book that was very. Get ready for this, Tim. Queer coded language. And I think his physicality, his vibes, I think it. And just the insecurity. There's a. There's a lot of insecurity to him and a desire to be gaining approval from others that is characteristic of somebody who is hiding something. And I think the only circumstance in which a 10 like USHA would marry him is if there was an understanding that she wouldn't have to actually share a bed with him. So Slay D. Vance.
- [49:17]
Tim Miller
Okay. Jack, what about you?
- [49:19]
Cameron Caskey
Well, I did a poll and overwhelmingly Vance, but I left an important person out of that poll. Two important people out. Which one of them? You might be able to guess. Hex Fox. I forgot to put in the poll. I don't know. He. Something about him. And then second is Marco Rubio. How about the sleeper? Marco Rubio. Never saw it coming. Might just be.
- [49:44]
Tim Miller
Yeah, just be him. So, being a former Republican oppo research guy, I do have some additional thoughts on this. Marco was. There was a lot of chatter about Marco having some homosexual experiences in South Miami, but I. I think it was slander in this case. I think that it was people. I. It was Republicans that were connecting foam parties as a gay thing because Republicans are lame and don't realize that, like, straight guys also liked foam parties. So I think just because Marco went to south beach foam parties does not necessarily mean that was a gay thing. I think that was just a kind of a Cuban thing. So I don't know that Marco is The man here, I think it's obviously J.D. vance, and you've seen him in makeup in high school. And I mean, I think the JD probably has had at least three homosexual experiences, I think I would say.
- [50:37]
Jack Schlossberg
And for that, what can we say but slay? All right.
- [50:40]
Tim Miller
Okay, we'll go to the actual boomer mailbag. Are we ready? Here we go. This one comes from Old Vanilla. This was my favorite one that we've received. Jack and Cameron, this is for you. Because I have no expertise here, I've gotten the impression that Gen Z women are expected to consent to being choked and slapped during sex. Is this common or just sensationalized?
- [51:00]
Jack Schlossberg
I only ever choke when I am directly asked because I think that that's mean, and I don't like mean during sex. I think that sex, you're supposed to be nice. So if. If the choke is requested, I will participate in it because I'm a team player and I want everybody to feel accommodated for.
- [51:21]
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- [51:52]
Jack Schlossberg
But generally speaking, any mean stuff like mean talk, demeaning talk, and everything like that, it just goes against what sex is. To me, sex is like the nicest thing you can do with somebody, and I like to keep it that way. That's.
- [52:04]
Tim Miller
Cameron, as a fellow narcissist, I appreciate that you made that question about you, but the actual question was, is this common? You know, this is common. So is your. But, you know, maybe you're more common people. Women wanting to get choked and slapped during sex. Gen Z women wanting to get choked and slapped.
- [52:21]
Cameron Caskey
Tell us, Cameron, is it common?
- [52:23]
Jack Schlossberg
I have often been asked to be a little bit less of a house cat and a little more aggressive. So I suppose it's common. Yeah.
- [52:29]
Tim Miller
Jack, do you have anything on that?
- [52:32]
Cameron Caskey
I have, you know, no data to share, only my, you know, concept, conceptual instincts which say that is it common to be expected? I don't know. That sounds like a pretty. That's extreme expected, right? That's just expect. And is that consent? Is that really Consent, if it's expected of you? I don't know.
- [52:54]
Tim Miller
It's a good question. So we think. We're thinking it's getting more or less. More or less common.
- [52:59]
Jack Schlossberg
I think a lot of young people and I. I don't really know about women in this situation, but I think a lot of young people are watching more porn, and I think porn promotes a more aggressive form of sex. And I think that it's young men's belief of how sex is supposed to go at least, has been very, very altered. Because, you know, back in the day, someone like Tim in a. In an alternate reality where Tim has ever had sexual attraction towards a woman. I did. You know, maybe. Maybe you steal a dirty magazine from your dad's closet, and that's what you get. And maybe you see a porno DVD that's, like, on a set with characters following some sort of a narrative. But, like, with us, it's just on our iPhone. There is aggressive porn that we can just access anywhere in the world. So I think porn has really change the way that especially.
- [53:46]
Tim Miller
Do we need porn regulation, do you think? What do you guys think?
- [53:48]
Jack Schlossberg
Do I think we need porn regulation?
- [53:50]
Cameron Caskey
It's a First Amendment issue.
- [53:52]
Jack Schlossberg
I think something has to be done about the. If you look at pornhub's terms of service, there's some pretty fucked shit in there. And I think that a lot of porn on the Internet is not as consensual as they may want you to believe, But I don't know from a legal standpoint how I would handle that.
- [54:10]
Tim Miller
Jack is pro First Amendment. All right. I just wanted to just clarify. Final question. We get this one a lot. Cam gets this one a lot. So, Jack, you're. You can field this one. As a final, earnest question.
- [54:20]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah.
- [54:20]
Tim Miller
I want to say about your podcast, before we get to the question.
- [54:23]
Cameron Caskey
Oh, man, I forgot to bring Test.
- [54:25]
Tim Miller
Drive with Jack Slashberg, which takes place in this van. I watched it this morning, and, you know, one thing I love about you is you really and. And Cameron, as you're veering kind of between, like, sarcasm and mocking and, like, kind of withering jokes about Jared Kushner's outfit to, like, very earnest thoughts about the state of our nation and politics, and you're sort of, you know, we're on a journey with you, like, back and forth in that. And that's what I like. So we'll end with something. One thing I didn't like that you didn't get a chance to get to is your defense of Hunter Biden. But we'll do some bonus content on that another day. Laurie, whose email signature is Wisdom Begins in Wonder. Producer TONY Just wanted to make sure we had that context. Wisdom Begins in Wonder. Let me think about that for a second.
- [55:12]
Cameron Caskey
Really does.
- [55:13]
Tim Miller
It really does, Lori. I'm glad you said that. Lori says, Jack, why is your generation not more involved in the resistance against the current regime?
- [55:23]
Cameron Caskey
Is that true? I feel like.
- [55:25]
Tim Miller
Have you gone to any protests? Have you gone to any protest? And it feels kind of old. It feels a little boomery at the protest. No.
- [55:31]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, but at the same time, like, my phone is on fire with people who are protesting with comments and likes and sharing stuff.
- [55:39]
Tim Miller
So.
- [55:40]
Cameron Caskey
Yeah, like, it depends where you look. I don't know. I think in like the last. We just had an election where young people were the decisive factor in New York City, like, hands down. So I think people actually are, are involved or more than they were maybe a year ago. And I'll take it. But I do think that, you know, both parties, Democratic Party has not done a good enough job in encouraging young people and, and, and making use of the most valuable resource.
- [56:09]
Jack Schlossberg
I think the Democratic Party spends more time like, resenting young people for not bending to their will than they do trying to meet us where we're at. I think I see Democrats angry at young people more than I see Democrats trying to bargain with young people because I think they feel very entitled to our votes. And then you see someone and you were talking about this, like Zoran Lambdani, who was able to not only get young people to vote for him, he was also able to get a ton of young people to go fucking canvas for him. And instead of embracing that and saying, gee, what can we learn from this? You have them coming out and saying, I'm not going to endorse him because of anti Semitism that he never did. So the Democrats, I say this all the time, get handed winning shit on a silver platter and just turn it away. But the last point I wanted to make to that was I think young people have a different understanding of what will work in terms of organizing because we see how big digital stuff was in securing Trump another victory, right? We had a guest with 13 million followers talking about how crucial TikTok was in securing the Latino vote. We see all, we always talk about Trump going on the pods, Netanyahu going on Nelk boys to do fascist Hasbro. You know, we see all these things happening and young people are like, digital organizing is probably going to be more valuable than going out at mar and marching because the protests that shaped our youth were women's march. And not to discredit the extraordinary work that was done by the brave women who did that, but women are still getting sexually assaulted all the time. And we still see it all the time. Black Lives Matter. Cops are still killing black people. March for our lives. Not a lot of substantive things were done about guns. Whereas the boomers who are showing up to the no Kings protests and stuff like that, they saw the Vietnam protests, they saw the civil rights protests, and they have more of a sense that if we show up and flood the streets, something can happen. Whereas I think young people have seen these big marches happen with so much fanfare, but we haven't seen the substantive results that we wanted. And therefore we're like, okay, well, making a TikTok might actually change more people's minds than making like a poster board.
- [58:16]
Tim Miller
Tick tock legend Jack Schlossberg. Protest legend Cameron Caskey. Guys, that's so good. Jack, since I didn't. Now we know you spent time in Covington. I appreciate you doing this pod, but like, and it's cool. And we're mask. We're very masculine and very bro here on this pod. We're not. We're not that well, Cameron's woke, but so it's very. It's good. It's a good start for you. But like, let's move you even into like more mask space where there's gonna be less gay talk. Theo, let's get you on Theo and like hanging out with him. You guys can do a little covey to talk and like bro down. All right.
- [58:45]
Cameron Caskey
Love that.
- [58:46]
Tim Miller
All right, we'll work on it. I appreciate you, brother. We'll be seeing you soon.
- [58:49]
Cameron Caskey
All right, thank you guys. Thanks, Cameron.
- [58:51]
Jack Schlossberg
Thanks for watching, folks.
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