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Daniel goes into a gooning discord and does a questionnaire for them. So he gets some data here. So there's a little bit of data journalism at play here. Nate Silver style.
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Nate Silver style. Hey everybody, I'm Cam Kaskey.
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And I'm Tim Miller. And this is Fypod where we bring in the hottest and smartest and most important zoomers to talk about politics news of the day. And this is a big show show because it is our first repeat guest. We've had amazing guests. We've had candidates for office, you know, really accomplished zoomers. We've had Steve Bannon's assistant all the way over to like anarcho communists. Like we've covered the ideological spectrum. We've never invited someone back yet. And I feel like today is the day because we had to bring in the man, the myth, the legend. Harry says if you get shit on for by the president in an AI video, we make exceptions to every rule. And we want to hear from you. Hello.
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For those of you who live under a rock and are unaware of what our brother Harry had to go through this week, we're going to cut to it real quick. So Harry, seems like you're. You're kind of living rent free in the Trump administration's mind. Seems like they're a little upset about you.
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Well, I first want to say, I actually didn't know you guys don't have repeated guests. And I'm honored. And I was just thinking last night, I'm like, man, every time we've talked on Bulwark, it's been about, like, the craziest shit. Like, the first time was Snapchat scandal. This time is getting shit on by the president. These feelings, like your league text.
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We're like, this show FYPOD is like, now, like, the Zoom or Diane Sawyer. You guys don't even know what Diane Sawyer is. But it's like you get into a scandal and then you come to us and we hash it all out together. So thank you.
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And we litigate it. And we litigate it. I'm honored to be here. But, yeah, this was. You guys have correctly diagnosed it. This has been a crazy week because the president posted an AI video pooping on me, which still feels weird to say after a week. And me and other.
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Where were you when you found out about this? Because I texted you. Like, had you seen it yet?
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Yeah, you were like. You were one of, like, 30 people who sent me messages that night. And I was in my apartment, it was no Kings Day, and I was watching college football, and then Trump just dropped it at like, 9:30.
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And I'm sorry, you could not have been watching college football, because I saw a lot of tweets from right wingers during no Kings Day about how the left doesn't understand.
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Oh, that's right.
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You know that they just can't do both. Right? You can't do both.
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No. No to that. Yeah, right. The right wingers were watching college football as lives were going in our Teslas or I should say electric vehicles to Planned Parenthood to get abortions and things like that. That's right. But yeah, no, I was. It was. It was Alabama, Tennessee, they were playing, and I had a friend of mine send me the Truth Social link, which is really weird. I, like, never get links to Trump's Truth Social post unless it's something insane. So I'm like, okay, here we go.
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And.
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And they said, you know, I think this is you in the president's video. And, you know, we all know Trump is crazy. He posts weird stuff online. But my immediate thought was, like, come on. Like, no way the president is targeting me or posting me on his Truth Social page. And then I clicked on it. And here we are. And now we're talking about me getting pooped on on FY podcasts.
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And after that, the Vice President weighed in.
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Yes, he did. J.D. vance, who I am even further convinced has nothing to do. I don't think he has any job or any role. I think he just, like, goes to the White House and scrolls Twitter all day. And he decided to jump in. And I don't remember exactly what he said, but I asked if a reporter could ask Trump about the AI video, which still has not happened yet, by the way. And then J.D. vance said he'll ask him for me. And to this. To this point, he has not at least gotten back to me on that.
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That's how you know you've had a crazy week, is you don't remember it. Because if JD Vance tweeted @ me, I'd have that shit down verbatim. I remember exactly what that dude said. I guess what I'm curious about is what the response has been from any Republicans on this. Have you been getting people, quote, tweeting you being like, lol, Take that girl. What's been the story? What is the fallout, the immediate fallout of getting shit on by the President?
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Yeah, I mean, at least from the Republican side, I've gotten quite a few people, quote, tweeting me or responding to me on TikTok, Instagram, whatever it might be. And from my read, from what I've seen, they think this is like, the funniest thing ever. They're like, harry Sisson has been owned. He goes after Trump. He goes after J.D. vance. He's finally getting it back. And look, if this is the best they can do, if this is their definition of me getting owned, I'm okay with it. I mean, if AI slop is all they got, then I think we're doing. Doing pretty well. But they love it, apparently.
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That's just strange to me because, I mean, I think that there are two ways you can go at making fun of the President's video of you. Like, number one is just to. It's just how, like, absurd and pathetic it is. It's like somebody that. That's dodged the drafts, that never served in the military, like, does an imaginary video of himself as a big boy flying in a fighter jet, pooping on people. I mean, it's like, it's really lame and pathetic. You know, if you're like one of a dad at my kid's school had, you know, sent that video around, I'd be like, bro, like, this is really. This is really Weak. This is not. This is not alpha energy. That's one way to look at it. The other way, the more earnest, bulwarky way to look at it is like the president pooping on people who are just expressing their First Amendment rights is also just a bad sign and fundamentally bad. Right. You know, these guys are supposed to be for free speech and everything. Like, say what you want about the no Kings protests was people out there expressing their right to complain and criticize the government, expressing their opinions on what the government that our, our country elected is doing policy wise. They have the right to do that here. You can't do it in China or in Russia. That's a great thing about America. Rather than celebrating that Trump is doing a imaginary poop on you.
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Yeah, I mean, no, please. I want to hear from Cam Caskey. Yes, we can. Yes, we can, please.
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I was going to say. Well, you know, a lot of people are saying that a lot of. One of the things that pissed me off the most about it really was how much water got wasted on generating that video. Because as I is a huge waste of fresh water. There's an AI data center now in the Poconos here in the great state of New York, which means a lot to me, that is boiling thousands of gallons of water a day, dumping it back into the lake and killing all the wildlife. And I'm like, this is what we're doing. As the water wars are looming in the future, as we have towns in Arizona that need to ship in their fresh water. Trump is shitting on Harry. I obviously thought it was hilarious. I wouldn't have if you weren't one of my boys. But like your friend being in a video that Trump, like, if you were just some guy I didn't know, I'd be like, oh my God, this is. But if Tim was. If Trump posted a video shooting on Tim, I'd be like, this is the funniest thing I've said would be funny.
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And that would be funny. I have to admit it. Hopefully he does that. The you have to adjudicate this. This is a very bulwarky debate between me and his Cameron. I'm upset because the norms have been viol it because the right to free speech is being impinged. Fucking tree hugging Cam is upset about the environment. What is the right way to be upset about this video?
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Well, okay, it depends on like what approach you. Are you taking like an approach on convincing people like voters or are we just like, what's the morally right thing to do?
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I don't think my opinion is convincing any voters.
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I don't know. I don't know. Harry, just, like, give us your id. I want your ID response to this.
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I. So I actually, Cam, you make a good point, but I had not thought about it from that perspective. I was more with you, Tim, and in interview. I've done a bunch of press this week about this, and these interviews are like, you know, he's pooping on you in particular. But I want to emphasize that I actually, this story is much bigger than me. Like, I'm the first guy he attacks, but, like, it's not really about me. It's more about the fact that, as you said to him, like, he's, he's shitting on peaceful protesters. I think this is Donald Trump displaying for all of us to see with great disgust how he feels exactly about dissent and peaceful protests. He's not really, like, hiding it. He doesn't really hide his real feelings anymore, but I think this is, like, a really good example of that.
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And so when you're doing these other interviews, you know, when you're not just vibing out with us, like, are you trying intentionally to make this a free speech thing or make it something that you think might appeal to people, or do you think this is. That is totally hopeless and everybody that's for Trump was for Trump because they like that he is a man baby, who does things like this.
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I mean, I try to make it about a free speech thing. I like, I, I really never try to give Trump, like, a free dig at us. I think we can combat him on, like, a lot of these, these issues that matter to people. And so if we can use matter of fact, as in, like, what Trump is doing in court and how he has previously suppressed freedom of speech while combining it with this AI video, I think that's like, a pretty effective argument in my view.
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I. The, the other thing is, like, I don't know, I feel like they're, they're only serving your cause here. I don't think this is something that weakens you. I think it's something that strengthens you. It's one of the things that I said to you. I was like, this.
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That's why I'm dying to get on. Please, on me. Look at the, look at the content. Look at the engagement. Harry has gotten over this.
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Can we get that on a shirt or something?
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If Trump AI shat on me, I'd be like, dude, you're cementing a generational run. Like, Donald Trump coming at you. You should be an ant you should be. A little tiny bug that he doesn't even pay attention to means nothing to the tiny ant. A little ant could get stepped on very easily. But it goes to show that while Trump and the MAGA coalition and Stephen Miller and all these guys hold so much material power, psychologically, there's such snowflakes, they're so weak. And even you just tweeting, like at Gunther Eagle man about how his wife left him really gets so under these people skin. But listen, I want to get to an article Tim sent.
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Hold on. I don't. I don't. I have more. I have more Harry talk.
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Well, I have to talk to. That's why I was going to pull up another hairy talk thing. It was.
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Okay, great.
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Well, this is why FY Pod is my favorite immediate. It was the one I was looking forward to most out of everything I've done, you know.
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Yeah, it's a very efficient system here. We have no of producers in our ear saying, okay, move on to the next topic. No, this is just me and Kim yelling, yelling at each other and figuring out who.
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It's great.
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Who gets to talk first. Luckily, you as a guest get to talk. Sometimes our guests come on and they're not. It's like they're not even there for minutes at a time. The vibe itself about no kings. You're out there. There's some. There's some. Gen Z didn't show up. Talk Cam has been on MSNBC talking about that. Like, what is your. What can you just give us. I want the hairy take on that topic.
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I mean, I can only, you know, speak from what I saw. And I was in Manhattan from Times square to around 14th street, and I actually saw a lot of gen zers and a lot of gen zers came up to me being like, I watch your content, I watch other people's content and whatnot. Many were saying fypod is the greatest show. This is what. It's what they said to me. I hear that quoting them.
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A lot of people are talking.
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That's what they're saying. We're just, we're being honest here. But no, I saw a lot of young people. I'd say like the majority of the people were probably like 30 and above, but I think there were more young people, at least from my experience at this one, than there was at the last. No kings. One in June, at least in Manhattan.
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And what about just like, I don't know, the other thing that I've noticed you've been doing more of which I've been trying to do as well is kind of get outside the bubble a little bit. We bumped into each other at a random weird guys podcast in New York.
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That's right, we did.
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It was snew. And then me and Sneako. So it's a strange crowd.
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I was so jealous cause I flew to Vegas to do that podcast and I fucking despise Vegas. I think it's the most disrespectful, disgusting city in the history of the world. I know that there's a lot of beautiful Vegas out there. I'm talking about like the strip and the touristy part, but you guys got to do it in the greatest city in the world. And I'm jelly.
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I'm just kind of curious about like where you think the state of play is like in just kind of more like young dude, non political kind of world on all this stuff.
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Because after, after CIS and gate, after Harry gate, you went on barstool.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You went on barstool. You started getting some feedback from people. I don't know, I just, it's. It's kind of hard to tell. Right. And this is obviously anecdotal, it's not like data, but do you sense any kind of vibe shift among younger dudes as you're kind of going out and about and as, as the, as the rare representative of, of a heterosexual male Democrat?
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Look, I, if, if I was just.
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Paying attention, it's okay to say no. It's okay to say no.
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Yeah, for sure. If I were, if I were paying to, I'm pretty much going to say that if I were just paying attention to social media, I would say there's probably been no progress. I think the slop has actually gotten worse. I think we just like keep going down the cliff and like the people, like the sneakers out there just keep getting worse. But what I will say, and again, this is anecdotal.
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Yeah, you know, I go to bars with friends, and occasionally I'll run into folks who recognize me. And a lot of these guys that come up to me. The men that come up to me are sometimes they're Democrats, but for the most part they're like Republicans who say, I disagree with you. But I've had a lot of them come up and be like, yeah, so I voted for Trump, but I, I really don't like what he's doing. I disagree with, like, the immigration portion, for example, or, you know, things are still expensive. He promised me they'd be otherwise. And, you know, I disagree with you on some things, but I agree with you on. So before the election, that was, like, much worse. Everybody, every guy that came up to me was like, you know, I respect what you do, but I fully disagree. I think there's been a little bit of a shift from what I've seen, but again, that's anecdotal, can't be applied to, like a.
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Does it feel like a burden for you to be the representative to these men? I guess if you think about other young men out there representing the Democrats, I mean, most of them are gay. Your fellow, your fellow TikTok boys, Like, there's Dean and Parker who might be. I don't know what their sexuality is, but they might as well be gay as far as they present themselves to the world. And so I'm just wondering whether you feel like a burden and, like, if you have to butch it up a little bit to be the pro.
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That's such a good question. Like, do you think you have to put any bro equalities about yourself behind like a bullhorn just to, like, mega emphasize, like, you know, Jared Schultz. We're going to throw a picture of Jared Schultz on screen right now. Like, that's a guy.
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Yeah.
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Jacked and shoots bows and arrows and wears cowboy hats and goes to college football games. And I think that he feels a responsibility to represent that. Like, do you find yourself being like, okay, what are my dudest qualities and how do I make sure that those are at the forefront?
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That's a really good question. I don't know if I have a good answer in terms of, like, do I feel a burden? I guess. No, I don't. I don't feel Like a quote, unquote burden. I don't even feel like a responsibility, more so than anything to be like, appeal to. To young men generally. I think that, like, what I've tried to do after the election is just like, be more authentic. I think even you guys might even agree that before the election I was a little robotic. I think even Tim might agree, especially on that. And yeah, I thought that you were.
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Kind of throwing out some DNC talking points that I didn't really believe. Think you really believed.
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There you go.
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And that's okay. Look, dude spit in for your side from time to time. No shame in that. But, you know, within reason.
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Exactly. Right. And so, like, since then, I've been trying to be more like a human being. And so I have a backup page on TikTok where I basically, like, talk exclusively about football. Not because I'm forced to, but I watch football every weekend. I play fantasy football. I do all the. That stupid shit, you know, I mean, so. And I found that that has resonated with a lot of, like, even Republican men. I get comments all the time and I. This is not language I use. But they say, wow, unknows ball.
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Yeah.
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Which is, you know, Gen Z's Republicans are saying unk. I thought uncle was for like, people in Hasan's chat on Twitch.
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Republicans steal all the slang for the people in Hasan's Twitch chat. Are you. So you said, do you do feel a little lonely though, like, are you noticing any other football, you know, like, Alabama, Tennessee, watching Dem influencer bros.
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I mean, like, doesn't feel like Cam said, you know, Jared is. I love. I love Jared. I love that guy. I've met him a couple times. He's a great guy. My friend Chris. You guys know Chris? Chris, Maureen.
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Oh, yeah.
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We talk shit about this all the time. And so. No, I don't. I don't. I feel like we just have a lot, like a lot of the Dem influencers, as you guys, I correctly said, they're just like. How do I put this nicely?
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Don't be nice. Just say it.
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Well, I think they are still like, robotic as somebody that is trying to be less robotic. And you guys can tell me how I'm doing. I think they are still robotic. They have like, no personality. And I think a lot of them are inauthentic. And I think a lot of them are actually in it for the money. And when you're in it for the money and you're making good money, which you can make money, I have no problem. But when you're in it for the money. I feel like you can sense that. I feel like you can see that in somebody.
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Are you not making bank right now?
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I mean, a lot of people think I'm like a multimillionaire. I'm certainly not making millions. Put it that way. I'm not. I'm not like, I wouldn't consider myself like a very wealthy individual or wealthy period.
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We should shout out Mockler. He's also. Also bro. He's a straight guy. He's heterosexual.
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Is one of my close friends. And I'm happy to see for him to see this. Muckler's bro.
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I don't know if he's bro. And I guess I was also going to say, like, it's. It's hard for him to, you know, you, like you said you had your side page on your other interests. And I encourage all influencers to do this. And it's not as a performative thing, like, oh, I got to appeal to bros. So I want to talk about or crypto or mma. Just like whatever you actually like, like talk about other shit. It makes you a more three dimensional human. That's good. That's that that makes your other stuff better. That would be my loving critique of Mock where he is a straight boy that, as best I can tell, wants to sleep with women. So it's a good start. But I think he just does this shit. He's just like, he's just like in debate Mode all day. 24 7, 365. Owning the con.
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He loves the game.
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I love that energy.
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It's an interesting case with Mockler because again, he's a pretty close friend of mine. And the same thing applies to Jack Coccurella. Like when these guys are obsessively only talking about just politics ever to their credit, that is them being authentic. All these guys think about is politics. So, like, in terms of the authenticity of it all, these are dudes who fucking mean it when they're like, all I AM Thinking about 247 is owning Donald Trump. I've spent 247 with them. They're being real.
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But Jim Tan, owning Trump.
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Speaking of owning Donald Trump, before we get into gooning and masturbating, I do want to play one more Harry thing because I thought this was so funny. And this is such a funny example of debate people being stupid and weird. This is a MAGA dude reacting to Harry on the Piers Morgan show. All right, guys, just in case you.
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Needed a good laugh today, here's a hilarious video of Harry Sisson on Piers Morgan today getting absolutely embarrassed by everyone on the panel after asking them to name at least one high ranking Democrat official who referenced Donald Trump as Hitler. Take a look. Trump campaign is putting that in an ad. I think that deserves to be called out. Number two, they can, I don't think anybody in this debate can name me a high ranking elected Democrat who has called Donald Trump Hitler. I don't think anybody can. When did Kamala Harris call Donald Trump Hitler?
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October of 24. Kamala Harris said on the campaign trail Donald Trump vowed to be a dictator on day one. His former chief of staff said he wanted generals like Hitler's. Donald Trump openly admires dictators, including Adolf Hitler last October. So what's crazy to me is like they prove in the video, like with the quote that they're citing that Kamala Harris did not call Donald Trump Hitler.
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So she was referencing his own staff that called it and said he liked Hitler.
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Yeah, you got J.D.
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Vance calling Trump and it was like John Kelly. It was like people that worked for him. That was, that was doing it.
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Yeah, no, that's. And that's like, oh God, I hate, I engage in debate culture, but I also hate it because of stuff like that. Like first of all, that guy that was making the video, he's just not, not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'll just, I'll be nice about that. But like they, they quoted Trump's own staff and they were quoting Kamala Harris quoting Trump's staff and they're like, gotcha. You know, this is when Kamala Harris said it. In reality, I feel like that's a cell phone of, of themselves. Because Trump's own chief of staff was like, yeah, he wants generals that are like Hitler's generals.
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You know, these fucking guys. What. Talk to me about your, your view on the Piers Morgan. You know, you just going after Pizzagate Jack and, and dog walking him. Like, are you, are you doing that for personal value or you know, for the clips? Like, what's the, what's the, what's the rationale behind you dog walking Pizza Gate Jack?
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I think it's like three things. It's number one, love of the game. I love going after people.
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Total respect for that.
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You know, I love going after freaks like that. So that's number one. Number two, it's, I think there's like genuine value in, in disproving them in front of like maybe a more conservative audience or people who are just getting in front of politics. And maybe this is like one of their first debates they've seen or maybe they're fans of Jack and they've never heard from me. And this might maybe hopefully plant the seed to change their mind. And number three, I just hate Jack. Jack Pizzobi. So if I have the opportunity to go after him, I'm gonna. I'll. I'll take that opportunity like 100 of the time.
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And, you know, I think the New York City mayorals race is, is a great way to take a look at the value of I hate this motherfucker culture. Because you've got Curtis Lewa and Zorra Mamdani presenting such a unified front as somebody who is far to the left, fairly speaking, someone like Curtis who used to run a vigilante force. So that goes to show you where he is on the right. And they both have this silent bromance with each other because they hate the same motherfucker, Andrew Cuomo. And I think a lot of the people who are saying that if Sliwa drops out, his votes are going to go to Cuomo are failing to recognize something Tim probably knows pretty well as someone who's spent a lot of time within the Republican world, which is New Yorkers hate Andrew Cuomo more than ever, hate socialism. New York Republicans, and we're sorry, when I say New York, New York Republicans hate Andrew Cuomo on a metaphysical level. They hate him as the embodiment of hatred. So I could see your average New York Republican who's going for Curtis most likely just not voting. But if not voting for Zoran over Cuomo, because at the end of the day with Cuomo, it's not a policy thing. They just fucking hate this dude.
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C
This is so right about Cuomo and he deserved it by the way, with the way he handled Covid, the way he treated Republicans living in the city. But like, that's an aside. It also just as a. It's a general point that people don't get about politics is that, like, not everybody is as ideologically rigid as you think or as you are if you're consuming political news. This was a mistake that happened going back to the 2016 primary when I was doing the anti Trump PAC and people, we were trying to get other candidates to drop out. Like, towards the end of the race, it was like Ted Cruz and Marco and Kasich and, you know, some others. And like, what we would find is you would think that when, you know, like, somebody would drop out like a normal, mainstream, whatever Republican, that then all of their vote share would go to, like, another person. But it was like, no. Like, every time somebody, like, dropped out, when Marco dropped out, like some percentage of the Marco vote went to Trump. We're like, what? And it's just like, people aren't rational like that. Anyway, on the Zoran thing, have either of you caught Zoran? On Andrew Schultz?
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B
On flavor? I pulled a clip. I just texted Dante a clip of this for me to tee up.
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C
Is it the socialist one or the muscles one?
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B
The muscles one.
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C
Okay, hold on. Before we play the muscles one, my favorite clip, because I was texting one of the flagrant boys about this was like, when Zoran is going in on Bill Ackman, we'll just put it in a post. But Zorron goes in on Bill Ackman and he starts being like, dude, you are spending more money against me in this race than I want to tax you. You're like, you're mad that with socialism I'm going to tax you all this money. He's like, you're spending millions. My tax increase is not going to cost you that. Like, what are you doing? All the flagrant boys are dying. Yeah. Just mostly watch how much they laugh. I also think this idea that, like, New Yorkers are going to flee because of a 2% increase, it's like, I've been everywhere else.
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A
You're not going anywhere.
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C
Bill Ackman's not going nowhere. He's going to be in the Hamptons all fucking. There's only one place to write those tweets. That's it. New York City. Every character you want. Casey goes out in July in Miami. He's sweating writing tweets. There's no way he's spending more money against me than I would even tax him. I don't even want that. You're going above and beyond.
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B
And then another one you get is him talking about his, what I would call physical gaff, where he went in to take to. To lift a little bit, and it didn't go very well. Let's look at that.
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C
Well, you go, Joey, bring in the bench press because he has bench every year. I'm going to do £1 more next year. 136. I was like, you fucked up, dude. Let me tell you shouldn't have done it. I knew I up when I said, you think I thought. You think I thought I was gonna kill it. I knew there was a problem. And this guy was like, you gotta do it. I was like, you gotta do it. He's like, I really don't. You should have put the big 10.
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A
Pound weights on you know them big 10 pounds.
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C
I was trying to get it.
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B
Now you got it.
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C
I was trying to get. But next year, 136.
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A
Okay, watch it.
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B
Promises I can keep.
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C
Let's just 136. 136. You didn't keep 135.
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A
He's gonna get there.
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C
He's gonna strike that from the editor. So.
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B
Yeah, you know, a lot of these people could survive on the manosphere. It's a conversation we have all the time on bulwark and for damn good reason. But Tim and Harry, do you have any closing thoughts on what we've discussed so far? Before we get into masturbation, Harry, you.
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C
Have any flagrant Zoran thoughts?
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A
No, I thought he did really well. I mean, as expected. But all the clips you guys are referencing, I've seen and I thought they were fantastic. And I also fucking hate Andrew Cuomo. He sucks.
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C
What's your max bench, Harry? What are you doing these days?
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A
My max bench. I don't. I actually don't know. I don't. I always lift by myself, so I've never had like somebody to spot me. But what I rep is I think like 160 to 70.
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C
Okay, so that's more what Zoran's saying. He was like, I'm trying to do one more pound every. Every year. It's like 135, 130, 36.
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B
I can actually lift a lot. My rep count. Yeah, my. I just don't. I can't get a high count. I can do a lot.
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C
Let's see it. You got any.
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B
You got any weights over there to put in post? We'll see if we can get it in on time. But I can lift a lot. Just not more than once or twice. The same way that I could do like three pull ups.
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C
But I don't want to put it in a post. I want a separate video. A Harry and Cameron. Lift it, lift off. I want to see you guys.
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B
We'll get to it. A lot of people are saying they want to see it. So anyway, Tim sent Harry and I an article that was very dispiriting, as Tim called it on text, but was also pretty frightening. I'm gonna kind of run through some outline stuff here. I'm going to be reading a lot of direct quotes from Daniel Collitz for harbors.org who wrote this?
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C
Shout out to Daniel Kollitz. By the way, give this dude the Pulitzer. I mean, and you'll know why once you hear it, but just give this dude the Pulitzer.
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B
So this article is called goon squad. Loneliness, porn's next frontier. And the dream of endless masturbation. Daniel basically infiltrated, if that's the word you want to use. The goon world. Gooning being basically ultimate masturbation very often for like half of the day.
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C
Can I read his definition of gooning? And then you can read the rest of it because he did such a great job. Gooning is the new kind of masturbation. More precisely, a new kind of masturbation. At the heart of Internet based pornography obsessed Gen Z dominated subculture. The act itself resembles edging, repeatedly bringing oneself to the point of climax without actually climaxing. But gooning is more goal oriented and more communal. The gooner goons to reach the goon state, a supposed zone of total ego, death or bliss that some liken to advanced meditation, the attainment of which compels them to masturbate for hours or even days at a time.
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A
You say days?
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C
Days, yeah.
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B
You didn't know about this? So I had heard about gooning and I thought gooning was just being horny. Horny and like programming your tik tok algorithm to be showing you attractive people and just like looking at it and kind of touching yourself a little bit, but not fully jerking off. And I guess that's not far from what it is. But no. Gooners apparently go for like 8 hour long binges of gooning and we're gonna get into that. I'm sending Dante a clip right now to throw in in post real quick. Gooning is like a modern colloquial term for doing horny like that. There's also the term glazing that doesn't apply to gooning. But Curtis Lewa of all people used glazing in the debate last night. And I just want to take a look at this clip because I think it's pretty funny. Donnie, if there was a ranked resolution this, you'd have to rank these myself number one and Curtis number two. Mr. Sl.
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A
Oh, please don't be glazing me.
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C
Here's all right.
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A
Are you kidding?
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B
Glazing? Not to get too far on top. Off topic is too late. Well, I googled it. The action of fitting panes into a glass window.
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A
Oh, okay.
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C
That's not right.
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B
Glazing. Urban dictionary excessively and often insincerely praising someone to the point of being a suck up or over the top in your admiration. But there's a sexual connotation. So with the whole gooning thing and the fact that there's a subculture that's emerged around it. Not completely dissimilar to in seldom, but we're going to talk about Vol. Seldom too, which is being a voluntary celibate. And it kind of had me thinking maybe us having unrestricted access to intense porn, often very misogynist porn starting when we were 10 years old, might have actually been a bad thing. And I'm willing to say that on the record it's in my opinion hard to imagine for a lot of young men sex being as good as the porn makes it seem, partially because the people in the porn are fucking acting. But anyway, most schooners don't necessarily masturbate for 12 hours in a stretch, but some of them often astrobate for an average of two to three hours a day. And I think that this came to the.
- [33:48]
C
The.
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B
The awareness of Daniel Collets when there was the goon aside. I don't know if you've heard of this. Yeah, Goona side was a video that came out of a gentle. I don't want to say gentle. He doesn't seem very gentle of an individual.
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A
What are we doing?
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B
Getting caught masturbating on video while he was at the drive through of a restaurant. And there was a viral clip of this dude picking up food from the drive through while he was literally whacking off. And it went so viral in fact that this man was driven to die by suicide. And this became a viral thing where he was having vigils all around the country from gooner type dudes. The vigils being ironic live stream stunts that came to be known as the goonerals funeral. Guys Mark. Remarkably, this language gun decide funeral was broadly legible to hundreds of thousands of people who engaged it online. The implication unmistakable was the verdict to goon had broken containment. As you know, Tim described the what gooning is resembles edging goon state.
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C
I think we should stop here because Harry's faces have been a lot and there's Harry.
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B
Have you at least heard gooning before?
- [35:02]
A
This is a lot to take in and digest at once.
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C
I did send you the article 24 hours ago. Is your loss that you didn't consume.
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A
Yeah, I was. I wanted to go in like blind and just see, like see where the conversation. I'm reading some of it right now as you guys are speaking. I. I knew about the word gooning or goon. I, I didn't really know what it meant. I thought it was just like. I think what Cam said. Like you know, you just. You trained your social media algorithm to show you like onlyfans girls or something. Like, that I didn't know about the, like, the length that people do this for. And like, I do. They have like, like, how popular is this? Is it widespread?
- [35:39]
C
It's decently popular. One of the things I wanted to bring up that's relevant to you guys, though, you guys are kind of in the latter group here. But Daniel goes into a gooning Discord with 50,000 members, 50,000 members, and does a questionnaire for them. So he gets some data here. So there's a little bit of data journalism at play here, Nate Silver style. And what he found was that Nate Silver median age of the sexually active Gooner was 27. And. But then the median age of the non sexually active Gooner was 23, that is someone in high school or college when the lockdowns began. As the latter group that was likely to identify not merely as a gooner, but also as a porno sexual. And so I think what you're seeing here is there's a category of people who are like, maybe in their mid to late twenties who are maybe fitting the definition of what you said, more that they're like, they see gooning as like, you know, maybe showing off, edging, like watching certain kinds of porn. But then as you get lower down the age scale, you're seeing people where gooning becomes life. Like goon is life.
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B
Well, so one of the things that was said in the article was opinion columnists have fretted over the state of affairs, primarily how all of this porn, fair share of it, violent and explicitly misogynist, was affecting sexual behavior of young men when they apparently hadn't considered. What they hadn't considered was that the porn alone might be enough. That at a sufficient speed and insufficient quality, it could function as a workable substitute for sex in life itself. And that's where you get these people who call themselves porn sexuals. Porn sexuals you could see as a species of voluntary celibate volcel. Like a volcel, the porn sexual chooses not to have sex. Like I said, largely because I think a lot of these people do not think sex will live up to what it looks like in porn. And you can see that virtually every child in the developed world was granted instant unrestricted access not merely to hardcore porn, but to some of the most extreme examples of it ever produced in human history. I do remember I learned that the penis goes into the vagina by watching porn. I knew that the penis and the vagina were what made a baby. I guess I didn't know exactly how it happened, but the way And I learned about sex to a certain degree. Totally. But the way I learned that it actually goes inside was because I was in fourth grade and I was curious what porn was. And Tim, when you were growing up, I feel like porn was the magazines that people's dads had on like no Skin A Max.
- [38:20]
C
It was Skinmax. Like yeah, yeah. Terry, remember when I earlier I said sometimes people come on the show and they don't, they don't talk. Skin was what you called Cinemax. Late night Cinemax was like a HBO spin off. And, and so even if your family didn't pay for it, if you use the bunny ears, you could kind of get a version of it that was. That had, you know, you'd have to kind of look through it wouldn't be a clear picture. But you could still, you could still maybe see some stuff. Harry, A lot there. Pornosexuals, endless masturbation. Concern that young men are never leaving their house and encountering women. Any thoughts?
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A
Yeah, like there are just a lot of. I'm still like trying to catch up on the lingo. So I'm reading this article and we have like goon cultists or wank battles.
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C
I think goon cultist is a person. Yeah, Wank. Wank battling. Yeah. I think wank battling is like some sort of exchange where multiple gooners are battling against each other and you're trying not to. Not trying not to finish the job, you know, but you're trying to. Trying to get the other person to finish. That's my. I don't. This is not my culture as a middle aged man. But, but based on the great reporting I've. That's what I understood to be.
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A
Well, it's, it's, it genuinely is good reporting because I do not to get like. So I don't know like establishment dem. Here there is like analysis to be, analysis to be done on this as like you know, this is, I think this is part, part of the reason why we're seeing such concerning data on like young people and dating and having friends or having sex or going outside at all. And I think this is part of it. And that kind of like coincides with a lot of young men just becoming complete total losers where you know, they, they treat women in misogynistic ways or they are like the, they think they're Andrew Tate and they want to tell women to do X, Y and Z or like cook for them. It's really weird. So I guess my, my thought here is I'm just like really concerned what.
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C
Do we do about this? I don't know what to do about this. Because it's like, like, were the Christians right? Should we consider banning porn? Or do we just need to. Or maybe we go totally the other way and like legalize sex work and maybe maybe incentivize sex work, like sex work subsidies so that the young people who are porn sexuals will actually experience like the. One of the concerning things about the. There's one quote in the story and I wish I would have pulled it up because it was. Made me sad actually, because it was like one of the guys that he was interviewing was talking about why they're a pornosexual now and why it's more appealing. And they were saying that, you know, with what they're doing, you know, especially once you've achieved the goon state. Like you are, you're you, you. You're in control, right? You don't. There's no anxiety because you're at home, you're by yourself, you don't see the other people. And he's like, even if I were to have an encounter with a real life woman, I would be wondering, like, what are they thinking? Like, are they actually enjoying this? You know, maybe they're just pretending, you know, and now leave me.
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B
I've had that thought before.
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C
Oh yeah, just, just really quick, Cam, and I'll get your take on this and that. The anxiety of that makes them not want to do it. And my point is, like, the anxiety of that is great. That's the part, that's the fun part.
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B
No, man, I mean, I've had sex with someone who has been so excited about it and was reacting in such a big way that in my head I was like, I'm sorry, I know, I know how I fuck. And there's no way, there's no way it's making you react like this. And that's fine. Like.
- [42:10]
C
But that's exciting or wondering, trying to figure that out. The unknown. The unknown is an exciting part of the process.
- [42:16]
B
I've been told in bed you're so strong and it's like, respectfully, I don't need you to hear that. I don't think it's true. I'm so confident in myself. I think that I have so much to offer. I think that as a sex partner I am totally desirable in many ways. But like, I'm not strong. I'm stronger than you, but I'm not like objectively strong. But anyway, I do want to answer one thing here.
- [42:40]
C
I also, I also don't like sexy talk.
- [42:42]
B
I think it's important for us not to leave out that that these are vol cells largely. Some of them are obviously definitely incels, but a lot of these people are making the choice not to be having sex. And one of the answers from the Nate Silver questionnaire that this journalist provided a lot of these Gooners was that it was a sense of community that these spaces offer. And as crazy as it sounds for your community to be the jerk off community, it's something that the world has been increasing.
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A
Look at Tim right now, bro.
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C
This was. This part frustrated me so much. I'm like, bro, it's not a community. Dude, you sending memes that are like lol, nice tits. Like goonside frat fro chubber pumper. Like that is not community building. Like you don't know that person. You don't know their struggles. You haven't gone any journeys together.
- [43:31]
B
I will hand it to the Goons Goonverse, which has more than 50,000 members, which is the chat that this journalist joined. It did have what the journalist referred to as has woke rules. Like no hate speech or misgendering. So I gotta say, you know, we don't necessarily need to characterize this as some far right, like violent thing, I think.
- [43:54]
C
No, it's worse than that kind of. It's worse, yeah, because it's infected the whole society and in some ways it's turning people right wing, you know, because of what you've talked about a ton on this podcast, the isolation Cam. But, but like the idea that we have, we're having a generational societal wide move to like have their brains broken by porn. Like is bad. Like it would be. I think it'd be better if it was just like a small. If it was just like one random corner of maga.
- [44:24]
A
I agree.
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B
You have stuff like OnlyFans where a paid subscription would allow them to spend more money on special extras like personalized dick evaluations or nude kitchen cleaning videos. I'm definitely pro only fans as this goes, because I think that it gives the creator and it gives the basically porn star ownership and agency over their content in a way that a lot of porn studios won't. I think that one thing I've observed about porn as I've gotten older is that a lot of it seems a lot less consensual than it might frame itself as. A lot of it seems like there's power dynamics on set. Set and in the production and with these women who are participating in it, where I don't think they are going to be as comfortable as they should be. And I think that the only fans system does promote the, an empowerment of the people who are creating this material. But I'm going to give my really lib woke take back to something you just said, Tim, which is I totally think sex work should be legalized. I have had a family member who was a lymphatic masseuse and what that family member was doing was providing a lymphatic. Lymphatic masseuse. It's like massages that help with your lymphatic system, I guess the flow of certain things throughout your body. It's a specialized type of masseuse. And that was a family member of mine who was providing services that were provided by their body to make another person's body feel better. And I personally don't know how many differences that are substantial there are between a sex worker and somebody who gets called into somebody's home to provide a massage. And I think that if you legalize sex work and we create a system where the sex workers are able to control what they're doing, that's where you can get rid of the people like the pimps. And it's where you could get legal protections for the sex workers who very often, if they're sexually abused or assaulted, won't be able to have legal defense for themselves because they're doing something that's against the law. And it's like, is that really how moral our society is being? If we can have sex in private, why can't somebody in a job market where everybody's getting replaced by robots sell the body that is their body? It's like, if we're gonna be my body, my choice people, why can't people make that choice with their body?
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C
Sometimes we just get a topic that just gets Cameron loose.
- [46:54]
A
He's loose.
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C
Harry, what question back to you is what a. What do we do about this? And if anything.
- [47:02]
A
Yeah, I mean, I mean, well, I feel like I could like it require a 10 minute answer. There's so much to touch on. Number one, I want to go back to something that you said, Tim, which is about like the anxiety of it all. And I think this is like with the prominence of like porn for people in Cam and I's generation, like this has made that anxiety very real. And I, I don't know a guy out there that is a friend of mine that I've talked to at this about that hasn't felt like an extreme anxiety when it comes to that. But I think it was awesome.
- [47:29]
C
It comes to like sex or like dating, approaching women.
- [47:31]
A
Yeah, all of it, all of it. I mean, you know, the data is going up even on just like the amount of men that have approached a woman at a bar. I should say the day is going down. Like they're not, they're not doing it anymore. But I think it was like Austin Butler, to your point Tim, who said on subway takes, you know, the, the where they hold like the card on the subway and they give a take. He said embarrassment is an unexplored or under explored emotion and like everything you want is on the other side. Which is to your point, Tim. Like, you know, sometimes the embarrassment that comes with like something not going well or the anxiety that comes with something like that is actually worth going through and exploring to not only feel comfortable with yourself but achieve like whether it be professional success or intimate success or whatever, whatever success you're seeking. The community point is also concerning because they like, it's sad that a lot of young men out there who are my age, Cameron's age, can't find community amongst, you know, like real life people where they go to like the park and play football or something, for example. They have to turn to like these weird spaces online and engage in a culture that I, I feel comfortable labeling as a little strange. But I guess they, I don't know, they may, but I understand that.
- [48:36]
C
No judgment. No judgment. But still a little. It's a lot of hours. It's a lot of hours to be put to be jerking.
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A
A lot of hours. Exactly. A lot of hours. And so like it's, you know, but no judgment. Of course it's concerning that. That's the reality for so many men out there. And I think one of a good, one of the good. I read an article in the New York Times about this. Perhaps like the, the answer is to re. Establish groups like the Boy Scouts and like really emphasize these groups that bring people together from a young age and like have them grow, grow up with people. That was one of the solutions they used in the early 1900s when a lot of these, the social aspect of, you know, young people growing up with more and more people getting jobs, for example, really collapse. And so they really re established these groups.
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C
But I think the Boy Scouts might have had some pedophilia issues. But the general principle is the same. General principle is the same. Can I just say my earnest advice to the youngs out there, the people with anxiety think in the dating world, mom, close your eyes or close your ears, rather Closing your eyes won't really help the, you know, the. The best sex is the one where you have. Where you're anxious about it. We have butterflies and you're not sure if they like you and you're not 100% sure and like, there's nothing wrong. It's great. It's super exciting. If this ever happens to you. Very rare for me, but for some of you, maybe it happens more often where somebody's just so excited to be there, like, you know, sort of worships the ground you walk on, etc. That's good too. Nothing wrong with that, that. But like, there's something about the. The being unsure and being a little embarrassed and overcoming it that kind of leads to an outcome that's even hotter.
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B
So that's the only outcome I've ever known is being unsure. I think that I can be.
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C
I don't believe you.
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A
I don't believe you either, actually.
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B
Never underestimate my body dysmorphia because at the end of the day, that's what is it it falls down to is even those of us, you've never had.
- [50:30]
A
A partner where they've been like. Where you've been confident in their excitement.
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B
To engage with you, like already never the first time. I've never been confident the first time.
- [50:39]
A
All right, all right. That's.
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B
Later times. I've been like, oh, yeah, totally, because I have a sense of what this person likes from me. I have a sense of where this person is less excited about certain behaviors. Okay, well, while we mull this over.
- [50:52]
C
And.
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B
Think a little bit harder about.
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C
All of these topics, just. I have one more thing while we mull this over for both of you. It's tough out there, you know, I mean, Harry says he's doing this for love of the game and he enjoys engaging maybe more than some of us on having to pay attention to all the horrors of what's happening to our democracy. Is there any part of you that looked at that headline and thought, endless masturbation sounds nice?
- [51:23]
A
No. No, no, no, I don't think so. Not for me personally.
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C
Endless masturbation is not for you, Harry. What about you, Cameron? Is that something that you think about ever?
- [51:31]
B
No. I mean, masturbation is fine just because I know exactly what I like, so, like, nobody gets me better than me.
- [51:41]
C
Amen to that.
- [51:43]
B
I don't know, I also just. I prefer the human connection of it all. I like the. Honestly, sex, for me, it has always been so much more about, like, how it. What it means to my dynamic with that person than the actual physical feeling of it all. The physical feeling is great and everything, but that's why in relationships I perform significantly better than when I'm not in relationships. Because in a relationship, for me, sex is part of the relationship and that's what gets me so hype about it. But. But we'll all think about that. We'll take a look at that. Some zoomers, some of them don't. I want to, before we close for the day, do two fun things, especially while we've got a dude on the show who's a dude dude. I pulled two questions from r AskMenAdvice on Reddit. I want to do that more often on this show because we're a manosphere show. First question is, what is the most valuable relationship advice anyone has ever given you?
- [52:42]
C
You.
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B
I'm going to give two examples real quick. My grandfather once gave me the best advice I'd ever received. He told me, pick two things to do around the house that she never has to ask you to do. Do them well, take pride in them and never draw attention to it or complain. Just do it and expect nothing in return. Another one I saw was if you wouldn't do it while you're happy, don't do it while you're pissed off. When a person is angry, their emotions tend to get in the way. To Harry and Tim, I ask you, what is the best piece of advice you've received about relationships?
- [53:18]
C
Should have given me prep on this.
- [53:21]
B
I'll do mine first and you guys can.
- [53:22]
C
Yeah.
- [53:23]
B
When I was dating FY Pod guest and FYPod Channel contributor Ellie Schnit, Ellie and I were talking about how many nights one of us would sleep over at the other one's place. We were talking about which social functions we would go to as a couple and which social functions we would go to solo. And she once said to me, there's Cam island and there's Ellie island, and there's Cam and Ellie Island. And those are three different places. And Cam needs to keep Cam's island in order and Ellie needs to keep Ellie's island in order for Cam and Ellie island to be in order. Which, you know you cannot mold into the same organic being with your partner. If you guys are going to be successful and happy, you need to be. Instead of 50 of 1 being and 50 of 1 being, you need to be a hundred percent of yourselves. And then your couple, the two of you, that's 200, baby. And I thought that that was really valuable.
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C
It's good advice And I agree with that. I would add, this is not advice I received. But I would add on top of that, it's important in a relationship for, for each person to have their own life. In some ways you should share most things, but not everything. And particularly in a social setting because the longer you're together, it leads to potential issues if there's no outlet that you have outside of your spouse. My best advice I got was I was so young, I couldn't believe the wisdom of my friend Kane Fortune, one of the best names of my college friends. His name is Kane Fortune. And I was in the closet and didn't know what the fuck I was doing. And I was asking him about how. And he was like, handsome as fuck and like dated any girl that wanted to date him in college. And I was like, how do you like choose kind of what are you looking for? And he said that he wanted a girlfriend that made him better and that also made him laugh every day. And I was like, that's such a dorky response. Like, you obviously want a girl that like, whatever your type is, has some physical attribute. And he was just like, nah, man, I mean, that's all good. But he's like, if there, if otherwise, if they don't make me laugh or make me better, then I'm going to get sick of them. So I don't know, maybe that's kind of a misogynistic piece of advice a little bit. But I think that works both ways.
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A
No, I think, yeah, I definitely think it works both ways. I think both of those pieces of advice are really good. You covered some of what I was going to say, but I think for me, best advice was just remember the little things. The little things really add up and they matter. So for example, my girlfriend really likes when I buy her flowers. She really likes it. She likes when she comes over my apartment, I have flowers ready for her or something along those lines.
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C
And so fresh cut flowers. What are we doing? Roses? What are we doing? Anything.
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A
She is a big lies fan. Yeah, she likes lilies. And so we'll, I, I'll make sure to do that pretty pretty frequently. And it's like, that's an example of the little thing that she like really cares about. She really appreciates the candy.
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B
Love. Like that.
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A
Exactly. Right. So that's, that's, that's, you guys had some really good ones. Better than mine, but those are, yeah, that's good.
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C
Are you, how, what you're, you know, you're still successfully in a relationship.
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A
Yeah, we're Approaching eight months soon, so.
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B
Oh, I'm so happy for you. Eight months, wow. I'm so happy for you. I'm like eight months.
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C
I think that's great. I think that's great, Harry. I don't know. I mean, she must be wonderful because obviously.
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B
She's wonderful.
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A
She's wonderful.
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C
A lot of people knocking at your door. Okay, that's great. Cameron, anything else at the end of the show?
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B
Last one from R Askmen Advice. This one is a little spicier. Gary, we are not going to force you to make any comments on this.
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C
I am going to force you.
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B
Tim is going to force you.
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A
I'll see how bad it is. We'll see how bad it is.
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B
Why is it a quote fetish if the last couple girlfriends a guy has had is from a particular race? Further on, I was at my fiance's house the other day and she had a few girlfriends over. One of them said they started dating a new guy they liked. They had been seeing each other for a month and she really liked him. But once she found out the guy's previous two girlfriends were Asian, she said that she's Asian. That since she's Asian it's a huge red flag for the guy and broke up with him on the spot. When I asked why, she looked at me disgusted and said, because he has an unhealthy fetish. I asked if the girlfriend broke the last before the last couple was Asian and she said no, she was Caucasian like him. At this point, my fiance put her hand on my arm silently signaling to me to shut up. So I did. Firstly, why is this an issue? So he has a preference. Big deal. Why does a guy having a preference make it a fetish? Why is it never the other way around?
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C
Tim, I can answer this. Because it makes the person feel not.
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B
Special and maybe uncomfortable.
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C
Well, yeah, and uncomfortable. But I just most importantly, like, look in a partner, you're looking for somebody that like really cares about you. For you. That's pretty much the number one thing you're looking for. If they also care about you because you share bedroom interests, awesome. Like that's a very important, great second item. But just at like a fundamental level, you need to be 100% certain and confident that, that they respect and care about you as an individual human. Not because you're part of a affinity, a group that they have a sexual affinity for. And so I'm sure there are examples of situations like this where whatever, the guy was fully earnest and it was, and they loved the young lady for the Correct reasons. And it was unfortunate that, you know, they got a trend going in their dating life that made it seem otherwise. But broadly speaking, I think that's why people become uncomfortable with that.
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B
Harry, you got anything?
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A
That's. That's. That's exactly my thought. I don't really have anything to add.
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C
I think this is why I'm the dad on this podcast. I can bring the wise dad advice.
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B
You know, I'm gonna bring the bro advice. This is simultaneously the bro advice and me being the male feminine that I get roasted for being.
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C
Oh, no.
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B
Ladies and men, trying to suss out what your new friends are like. If you want to know how a white man, specifically a white man, feels about women in general, ask them about East Asian women. Because I have heard some of the most psychotically, not only misogynist, but just sociopathic things I have ever heard from dudes about women. From white dudes talking about East Asian women. I'm not going to tell you what they say. I hope you never have to figure it out. But the way white dudes talk about East Asian women is some of the most racist shit I've ever heard. But beyond that, the craziest thing is the degree to which they're speaking with impunity in a way that they never would in any other context. But the shit I heard dudes say about East Asian women and the way that they are predisposed to behave in certain ways is frightening. And that is my truth.
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C
Porn.
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A
Wait, can I, I. Can I ask about this? I've never. I want to inquire too much because I know you said you don't want, like, repeat. I've never heard, like, men talk about East Asian women in particular. It's just like, a part of the Internet I'm not on.
- [60:28]
C
Or like, no, bukkake. You don't do it. You don't. None of your friends talked about bukkake porn.
- [60:32]
B
A thing that I've heard. No, the only bukh I talk about is when we're talking about Bukele and El Salvador and we'll call them bukkake. But no, it's not just online. I see it online. It's stuff that I've heard from dudes from whom I've never heard a misogynist thing in my life talking about East Asian women. I'll say it. I'll say it in the context of. I've never said this before in my life. As a matter of fact, I actually call it out every time as, dude, are you joking? But they will say East Asian women are inherently more submissive and are going to serve and be pleasers more. And, yeah, I think this actually ties back to the beginning of the second half of this episode. It's probably because the way that they're depicted in the porn that we've been watching since we were 10 years old, but you can get racism and misogyny in one package. Hearing a lot of dudes talk about East Asian women, I swear to you, I've dealt with it several times. It's fucking weird and it's creepy. And with FYpod, we're Harry, Tim, and Cam. Thanks so much for tuning in.
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C
What? Another close from Cam. Slay, everybody. Harry, good to see you. Safe and sound, guys.
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A
Thank you, guys.