Trump’s WEIRD Epstein Problem! Is Sydney Sweeney Ad RACIST?

Summary

FYPod Episode Summary: "Trump’s WEIRD Epstein Problem! Is Sydney Sweeney Ad RACIST?"

Podcast Information:

• Title: FYPod
• Host/Author: The Bulwark
• Episode Title: Trump’s WEIRD Epstein Problem! Is Sydney Sweeney Ad RACIST?
• Release Date: July 29, 2025
• Description: Gen Z swung hard for Trump in 2024, and Tim Miller explores why alongside Cameron Kasky. They delve into the politics of the TikTok generation, examining their shifts and strategies to re-engage America’s youngest voters.

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1. Trump's Remarks on Jeffrey Epstein ([01:10] - [02:36])

The episode kicks off with a discussion surrounding former President Donald Trump's recent condemnation of Jeffrey Epstein.

• Donald Trump’s Statement ([01:10] - [01:42]):

  "That's such old history. Very easy to explain, but I don't want to waste your time by explaining it... I threw him out and that was it. I'm glad I did, if you want to know the truth."
  (01:10)

• Tim Miller's Critique ([01:55] - [02:36]): Tim challenges Trump's vague use of "inappropriate," suggesting that a more direct condemnation of Epstein's illicit activities is warranted.

  "If you're going to talk to Jeffrey Epstein and say don't ever do that again about something, it would probably be fucking 13 year old girls..."
  (01:55)

  "He's never going to win an election again. This is what... this rant is like empowering J.D. Vance."
  (02:36)

2. Political Accountability and Consistency ([02:36] - [05:25])

Tim and Cameron discuss the broader implications of Trump’s statements on political accountability.

• Cameron on Trump’s Consistency ([03:22] - [04:03]):

  "Trump values loyalty. I don't know anybody who hates a fake friend worse than Donald Trump... there's that weird temple, you know."
  (03:22)

• Discussion on Media Response ([04:18] - [05:25]): They analyze how Trump’s consistent narrative appeals to his base, contrasting it with Democratic responses.

  "But Democrats kicked out Al Franken when he didn't do anything even close to child rape."
  (06:08)

3. Accountability in Politics: Al Franken and Beyond ([05:25] - [09:53])

The hosts delve into cases of political figures facing accountability, comparing Al Franken's departure from the Senate to other politicians.

• Cameron on Franken vs. Cuomo ([07:06] - [09:53]):

  "Cuomo is good to get endorsements from Bloomberg and from Jim Clyburn... but Al Franken had to go."
  (07:53)

  "Brett Cooper is very hot. Or she's just incredible at taking pictures and videos... Can't imagine an ad with like a dark skinned black woman that says she has good genes."
  (09:33)

4. Debate on Sydney Sweeney’s Advertising and Eugenics ([11:21] - [20:41])

A significant portion of the episode critiques an advertisement featuring actress Sydney Sweeney, analyzing its implications regarding race and eugenics.

• Cameron’s Critique of the Ad ([15:17] - [16:43]):

  "This was like a direct remake of a very predatory advertisement... Sydney Sweeney represents what they're looking for. And therefore they're playing into that... Pretty like British eugenics."
  (15:17)

• Tim’s Defense of the Ad ([16:01] - [19:05]):

  "She's hot. She's hot. She's got blue eyes... It's not eugenics. I don't think."
  (16:01)

  "Nobody's making an advertisement saying Michael B. Jordan has good genes."
  (19:02)

• Cameron’s Rebuttal ([19:48] - [20:41]):

  "Sexualizing somebody like that is not using the same language that the eugenics Professors that have powered white supremacy... like this is."
  (19:48)

  "Genetic makeup... that is what makes you an Aryan is your genesis."
  (19:54)

5. Gen Z Women’s Political Shift and Trad Wife Culture ([20:53] - [32:35])

The conversation shifts to political affiliations among Gen Z women and the resurgence of "trad wife" culture.

• Statistical Insights ([21:28] - [26:37]):

  "Gen Z women are 11 points more Dem than Gen X women. So Gen Z women are doing sort of a reverse Gen Z Men here."
  (21:28)

  "The primary contributing factor to... trad wife culture is the fact that we are entering an economy that is unstable..."
  (32:35)

• Cameron on Trad Wife Origins ([26:37] - [32:35]):

  "Trad wife culture started to emerge in the 80s... earliest phases of women in the workplace having any sort of positions that were beyond just secretary being a thing."
  (26:37)

  "It's the financial insecurity... pairing up early can be part of this sort of team."
  (32:35)

6. Intimacy and Relationship Advice ([32:35] - [33:12])

The episode concludes with a light-hearted yet insightful discussion on intimacy and relationship dynamics, highlighting the importance of consent and communication.

• Cameron’s Advice on Kissing ([28:44] - [31:22]):

  "If you ask for the kiss, under almost no circumstances is the question going to change the answer... But what it can do is prevent you from going into kiss somebody who is either going to turn away..."
  (28:44)

• Tim’s Commentary ([31:22] - [33:12]):

  "I've got good news. I'm going to end this on good news."
  (31:22)

  "We've got a lot of problems with young men, we being the anti-fascists. But I don't think this is going to actually work on the young women. And it's going to work on some but at scale."
  (32:35)

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Notable Quotes:

• Cameron Caskey ([00:30] - [02:36]):

  "Sexualizing somebody like that is not using the same language that the eugenics Professors that have powered white supremacy... Like, this is."

• Tim Miller ([01:55] - [05:25]):

  "He's never going to win an election again. This is what... this rant is like empowering J.D. Vance."

• Cameron Caskey ([15:17] - [16:43]):

  "This was like a direct remake of a very predatory advertisement... Pretty like British eugenics."

• Tim Miller ([16:01] - [19:05]):

  "She's hot. She's hot. She's got blue eyes... It's not eugenics. I don't think."

• Cameron Caskey ([19:48] - [20:41]):

  "Genetic makeup... that is what makes you an Aryan is your genesis."

• Cameron Caskey ([28:44] - [31:22]):

  "If you ask for the kiss, under almost no circumstances is the question going to change the answer..."

• Tim Miller ([32:35]):

  "We've got a lot of problems with young men, we being the anti-fascists. But I don't think this is going to actually work on the young women."

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Conclusion:

In this episode of FYPod, Tim Miller and Cameron Kasky engage in a multifaceted discussion that intertwines political accountability, media representation, generational shifts in political alignments, and social dynamics in relationships. The critique of Trump's comments on Epstein serves as a springboard for broader conversations about consistency in political rhetoric and the mechanisms of accountability in modern politics. The analysis of Sydney Sweeney's advertisement opens a debate on the intersection of race, beauty standards, and eugenics in media portrayals. Additionally, the exploration of Gen Z women's political leanings and the resurgence of trad wife culture highlights the evolving landscape of societal norms and economic pressures. The episode wraps up with personal insights into relationship dynamics, emphasizing the importance of consent and communication.

This comprehensive discussion offers listeners a deep dive into the pressing cultural and political issues shaping America’s youngest voters, aligning with FYPod’s mission to provide sharp insights into the shifting political tides among Gen Z.

Transcript

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[Tim Miller]

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[Cameron Caskey]

Sexualizing somebody like that is not using the same language that the eugenics professors that have powered white supremacy and fucking skull measuring are into. Like, this is.

[Tim Miller]

We're never going to win an election again. This is what bro, this, this rant is like empowering. J.D. vance. Hey everybody, I'm Tim Miller.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm Cameron caskey. And folks, two really huge things have happened in the past 24 hours. The Milwaukee brewers handily defeated the Miami Marlins and Donald Trump finally condem condemned his friend Jeffrey Epstein. Let's take a look.

[Donald Trump]

That's such old history. Very easy to explain, but I don't want to waste your time by explaining it, but for years I wouldn't talk to Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't talk because he did something that was inappropriate. He hired help and I said don't ever do that again. He's stole people that work for me. I said don't ever do that again. He did it again and I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out and that was it. I'm glad I did, if you want to know the truth.

[Tim Miller]

Don't ever do that again. Cameron, usually ideally, if you're going to talk to Jeffrey Epstein and say don't ever do that again about something, it would probably be fucking 13 year old girls would probably be the thing that he should not do again. Not hire the help from Mar a Lago.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, it's also just like he said the word inappropriate. He said Jeffrey Epstein did something inappropriate. And you know, when I hear Jeffrey and this, you know, I happen to be, as we've repeatedly stated on this podcast, the wokest white man in Gen Z. So maybe this is just me being woke, but the woke side of me thinks that the most inappropriate thing Jeffrey Epstein did was rape children. So the use of the word inappropriate for poaching service staff is very Trump. You know, it's to be expected. The man is delivering everything that we could have expected from him. And that's called consistency. And how often do we get that from a politician?

[Tim Miller]

He poached the help. You know, this is just a guy who cares about the working man. Cameron, this is the thing with Trump. You know, if you're a working class American, those Democrats, you know, they're elitists. They went to college. They look down their nose at the working man.

[Cameron Caskey]

You know, many of these working class people get sent to El Salvador and Alligator Alcatraz now, which they probably, probably.

[Tim Miller]

Wouldn'T have during previous administration, maybe, but they condescend. You know, they use highfalutin words and they look down on the culture of the working man. Not Donald Trump. He doesn't look down on the working man. He refers to them as the help. And if they, if they choose on their own volition to take another job, that gets really upset because they're his property, actually. And he gets mad about that. But, you know, other than that.

[Cameron Caskey]

And Trump values loyalty. Trump, I don't know anybody who hates a fake friend worse than Donald Trump. And while he might not acknowledge or respect the individual humanity of, quote, the help, I'm sure it didn't feel good for him to feel like he was losing friends. So unless they're Roy Cohn, of course, in which case he's happy to leave that guy behind. But interesting clip. We also had Donald Trump saying earlier today in a press conference or whatever that he did not have the privilege of going to Epstein island, which is some way to put it. I think a lot of privileged people did go to Epstein Island.

[Tim Miller]

He did not have the privilege to go.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, if he was caught on record saying that, you know, before the world knew it was a child rape island, I think he could have gone out. He could have just very easily said, like, yeah, it sounded like a great vacation spot. I didn't have the privilege to go. But no, he said that here.

[Tim Miller]

I hear he's got a private beach, you know, you get to avail yourself of. And there's that weird temple, you know. You know, it's not every day you get to see a weird temple on a billionaire's island, right? What else happens? There is a swimming pool out here.

[Cameron Caskey]

I saw an interview with Blair White, the conservative voice, who is, is probably the top most trusted source of news across the aisle right now, where an Epstein survivor was talking about there being science labs there and was saying that this is something that my friend from back home who was a Donald Trump fan, but lost Trump, lost her when the Epstein stuff really started to boil up in this Blair White interview. They talk about cloning and how there could have been cloning going on. And listen, I'm not saying there was cloning happening on Epstein Island. I am saying that they raised a really good point, which is that in the 90s, we figured out how to clone sheep. And it's like, do you think people were like, okay, great, let's stop there?

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Cameron Caskey]

Food for thought.

[Tim Miller]

Food for thought. We should have your friend that bailed on MAGA on. On the channel. Does she want to speak out? Does she want to come forward?

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

Have her story told.

[Cameron Caskey]

We hooked up for a couple of years. I think we've already had one ex of mine on the show. And while I could do it, though.

[Tim Miller]

I could interview just.

[Cameron Caskey]

Just a. One on one interview with her.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I don't know. Just explore her journey.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, it's a very interesting journey because she went from Republican but not Trump to Republican and Trump to Republican. And I can't support Donald Trump anymore because the child rape is where he went too far. Which in all fairness, you know, I. I do think Donald Trump went too far, like, 40 years ago.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

But I'm glad she. She wasn't cool with the child rape. You know, you got to hand it to people. I think. I think that we all need to take the opportunity to remind everybody that it's a big tent after this Epstein stuff. And I think that MAGA is gonna lose a lot of people, and it's our responsibility as voices who communicate things from a more liberal perspective to say to everybody, hey, by the way, we're the side where once it's proven that people in our party did child rape, we're actually gonna kick them out and say, go to prison.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Even more than that, the Democrats kicked out Al Franken when he didn't do anything even close to child rape. And he just did some funny jokes, you know, a little bit of light. A little bit of light harass, but not great, not good. I don't endorse it, but, I mean, nothing close to a child's sex ring. And boom, he was. He had to hit the curb. So, you know, accountability. There's an accountability gap.

[Cameron Caskey]

I talked about this on MSNBC or as Tim. Tim is on an Ms. Basis with it. But I was talking about this when we were talking about the New York City mayoral race. I was like, so Cuomo is good. Cuomo is good to get endorsements from Bloomberg and from Jim Clyburn, the most perfect politician in the. Who was above criticism. But Al Franken had to go. Cuomo with 12 credible accusements. Excuse me, accusations of sexual harassment and having sued for gynecological records of his alleged victims. He's actually fine and the establishment will get behind him. But that son of a bitch Al Franken had some pictures where he was being in a probes and we can't put up with that. Fuck all these people. Whatever.

[Tim Miller]

Accusements is a kind of a fun malapropism. Actually.

[Cameron Caskey]

I was getting to the word harass. Harassment.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, harassment. That's fun. That's fun. I've invited Andrew Cuomo onto the bulwark and have not not heard back.

[Cameron Caskey]

So I should say, have you done Franken yet?

[Tim Miller]

Oh, yeah, me and Al had a great. Had a great shot last year. He's a good dude.

[Cameron Caskey]

As a young Jew who thinks he's hilarious. Franken was like a superhero to me growing up. Franken, John Stewart, Anthony Bourdain, Robin Williams and. And. And Norm MacDonald were my big ones growing up.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, love Norm. That's a good list. Yeah. Al Franken's P.O. kind of. You think our pod is chaotic? His pod is totally chaotic. He's just doing like random asides for like three minutes and loses track of what the topic was and stuff.

[Cameron Caskey]

Does he have. Does he Gavin Newsom it and have any fucking Charlie Kirk types on.

[Tim Miller]

No, no, no, he doesn't. He doesn't. He's Al. You can't go wrong with Al. Really. What else do we have? Speaking of staying on topic, Karen, what else is on our. What's on our agenda today?

[Cameron Caskey]

Speaking of how funny I am, I've always said I wanted Al Franken to run for president with Jill Stein as his vp so we could have presidential election posters that say Frankenstein. And you can all leave a comment down below how fucking funny you'd think that is.

[Tim Miller]

I've got great news for you. I got great news for you. We can leave the Russian asset Jill Stein by the wayside. Now the new Democratic governor of North Carolina is Josh Stein. So it can be an Al Franken Josh Stein ticket and you can still have your joke without having to give anything to one of the worst people in the world. Not quite as bad as Jelaine Maxwell, but certainly in the top 250.

[Cameron Caskey]

Jill's pretty bad, isn't she? Jill's. Jill's really bad. She. Even the whole, you know, the presidential ticket thing where she's just being such a terrible person to the Democratic Party. Even with all of that aside, she also sucks Also maybe Sam Stein. Samstein would be a good option, but.

[Tim Miller]

Frank and Sam, that's.

[Cameron Caskey]

I want to get into two points of disagreement we've had this past week. Tim and I see eye to eye on plenty of things. And there's also obviously so many places where we're different. One of them was out of nowhere, in the middle of a different conversation, I texted Tim, Blink182 is so good. And he thumbs down my message. I don't need to talk about it. I just wanted you all to know.

[Tim Miller]

This is something people don't know about Cameron, which is kind of surprising because Cameron is a theater kid and he is so. He's so creative. And I forget if the creative side of the brain is left brain or right brain, whichever one it is. That's Cameron. And you know, he's. He's young and has very hip friends, has dated prominent. So you would think that Cameron would have good taste in music. Wrong. Horrible taste in music. And every suggestion he has is horrible. Like it is the worst taste. Cameron has a taste of music of like a. And maybe some of you are listening, so please don't take it the wrong way. 58 year old lady from like probably like the boring part of New Jersey or like Hartford. Like a 58 year old woman from Hartford who. Who. Who drinks two Starbucks Mocha Frappuccino's a day like that person's Spotify playlist and Cameron's are indistinguishable.

[Cameron Caskey]

In my defense, I love REM And I think we can all get behind that.

[Tim Miller]

We can. Okay, let's move on. Let's move forward.

[Cameron Caskey]

The other point of disagreement we had was in regards to Sydney Sweeney, who has really emerged as a political figure without really trying to. Sydney Sweeney was just trying to be an actor and a great businesswoman. She did a film called Madame Web, which was famously one of the worst superhero movies of all time. In order to get a rom com, she really wanted to do called anyone but YouTube greenlit by Sony. So she made the choice to be in a really bad movie because that got the studio to greenlight a passion project for her. So she's more.

[Tim Miller]

That's kind of how this podcast came into play, actually.

[Cameron Caskey]

This podcast. Yeah. I don't remember how this podcast came.

[Tim Miller]

Let's keep going. Let's keep going.

[Cameron Caskey]

She's all over the place. People talk about her online all the time. For those of you who don't know, Sydney Sweeney is a blonde actress who has given some phenomenal performances and some. All right. Performances she is famous for having huge.

[Tim Miller]

Tits, which white Lotus season one. Epic.

[Cameron Caskey]

Does she. Does she tits on right? Lotus season one?

[Tim Miller]

I don't know if we see them in. In Toto, but she's wonderful.

[Cameron Caskey]

She does on Euphoria and she's really a talented person. But MAGA has kind of tried to take Sydney Sweeney and make her a little bit of an icon for them. And unfortunately, Sydney Sweeney seems to be not trying to avoid that. She seems to not necessarily mind. Basically what happened was there were all these viral tweets that were showing Sydney Sweeney being hot and saying woke is dead. Because according to these people, since left wing individuals, Woke minded individuals want more diversity and projects. The very idea of being a hot blonde woman with big boobs is maga. To them, it means that the America that they fought for came back. And that has turned into a couple things.

[Tim Miller]

Before we get into our fight about Sydney, sweetie, can I ask because you can represent the woke liberal male. Are woke liberal males interested in blonde girls with big boobs? Is that a popular archetype or.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, I'm kind of over that. I have been there and it was an extraordinary journey for me.

[Tim Miller]

I was talking for you to generalize. Among your peer set are the fellow.

[Cameron Caskey]

They fucking love, Sydney Sweeney. I think Sydney Sweeney is so attractive and beautiful and more than that is a very smart person and there's a lot to respect about her. There's a couple things that I wasn't so excited about. She's selling a soap now that is apparently made out of her bath water, which, you know, there's a degree to which she's taking ownership of how sexualized she is. There's also a degree to which that's fucking weird. She was at Jeffrey Bezos's wedding.

[Tim Miller]

You're. You're kind of. You're sort of strangely at times antisexual and anti touch. I don't. I don't. I don't know there's anything weird about that. I kind of like that. That's kind of.

[Cameron Caskey]

I think that. I think bathwater soap is just a little weird because it's like. I think. I think that there's a degree to which the men who want something like that, the thing they like about it is that Sidney doesn't know who they are and they're still claiming some sort of ownership over her body.

[Tim Miller]

You're making it kind of weird, but okay, I hear you. I mean, she chose to do it. All right. I do not endorse anyone going to Jeff Bezos's wedding. That's a bad idea. But before we go over, can we watch the ad we disagree with? Can we watch?

[Cameron Caskey]

So she did an advertisement for American Eagle that Tim is cool with. I think it's kind of eugenics. Let's have a look.

[Tim Miller]

Jeans are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color. My jeans are blue. Cindy Sweeney Hasbert jeans. Okay, I'd like for you to explain to me what your problem is with that advertisement.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, it's a remake of an ad that many would call pedophilic because it features a 15 year old girl. I don't remember who it was in the ad. I kind of don't want to draw attention to it. But this was like a direct remake of a very predatory advertisement. But whatever. Okay. Making it with an adult woman, blonde hair, blue eyes, talking about jeans and how jeans work and saying she has great jeans. I think American Eagle recognized that conservative America, who wants this sort of white purity, loves that Sydney Sweeney represents what they're looking for. And therefore they're playing into that not as a full blown dog whistle, but as something that is definitely pretty eugenics. Pretty like British eugenics.

[Tim Miller]

Eugenics, like what this genes ad is arguing for, like killing, you know, getting rid of people that have certain identifiable traits. And we do have genes. Genes exist. We all do have G E N E S genes as well as most of us wear J E A N S genes. Like acknowledging their existence is not eugenics, I don't think. Is it the existence of genes?

[Cameron Caskey]

Look, I am a staunch believer in the first amendment, unlike the anti First Amendment league that calls themselves the adl. But I will say that this was just. I mean, come the fuck on. You know what they're doing. Like you can defend it.

[Tim Miller]

She's hot. She's hot. She's got blue eyes. She's out of. They got blue jeans, she's got blue eyes. It's a play on the eyes and the jeans. It's like the. Were the Calvin Klein commercials in the 90s. Eugenics. Like there are plenty of ads that like touch all different kinds of different racial identities. Talk about how they're beautiful. I don't. That's fine. I don't know. They're hot black people in advertisements that they sell, you know, maybe sometimes you could say they're using them to try to. Like, isn't this just advertise, like, what is wrong? Like, she's not saying that black people are bad or that brown eyed people are bad. She's. It's a sultry sexy. Maybe you don't like sultry sexy ads, but it's not eugenics. I don't think.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, look, we can't watch every advertisement. You know, I have YouTube Premium.

[Tim Miller]

I don't watch premium ads at all. Actually.

[Cameron Caskey]

I click out of ads very often. Although you should listen to every ad that we do on FYpod.

[Tim Miller]

Thank you to our sponsors.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, I don't think I've, I don't think I can imagine an ad with like a dark skinned black woman that says she has good genes. Like, I don't, I can't picture that.

[Tim Miller]

Black is beautiful ads are a lot of black is beautiful.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, but that's not genes. Genes is the composition of somebody's genetic makeup. You know, that is what makes you an Aryan is your genesis. And I just, I find it. Leave a comment down below for the algorithm if you, if you've seen an ad saying that an Asian person has good genes.

[Tim Miller]

Even if you're right, like, I don't.

[Cameron Caskey]

Think there's a good place. By the way.

[Tim Miller]

It'S an ad for blue jeans. I don't think that, that it's a good place for liberals or pro democracy, whatever. People want to describe themselves progressives to be in that. Like it is racist for a blonde girl to be able to say that she has good genes. I don't think that's some dude that creates backlash. Like, people think that Sydney Sweeney is hot and has good genes. Does anybody disagree with the fact that Sydney Sweeney has good genes? She's extremely hot and attractive. I mean, I think Michael B. Jordan has great genes. Would anybody deny that? I don't think so. If you're. Now.

[Cameron Caskey]

Nobody'S making an advertisement saying Michael B. Jordan has good genes.

[Tim Miller]

Well, not in this case, but there are plenty of ads that sexualize and like talk and you know, and maybe that people don't like that and that's bad. But like it's not like there are not, they're not hot black and brown people in ads these days. If anything, the critique now is that there's like two. Whatever. It's like two to all ads. Like every couple has to be biracial. I don't care about that either. It's advertisements. These are companies. This is capitalism. They're trying to sell their products. Like, is this really bad? What is bad?

[Cameron Caskey]

Sexualizing. Sexualizing a hottie like Michael B. Jordan who can do whatever he wants to me. By the way, sexualizing somebody like that is not using the same language that the eugenics Professors that have powered white supremacy and fucking skull measuring are into like, this is.

[Tim Miller]

We're never going to win an election again. This is what this is. This ad. This, this rant is like empowering J.D. vance. This might as well. Your rant might as well be a pro JD Vance AD so that in 2028 he can go out there and be like the fucking woke libs. Don't even want you to like Sydney SW talking about how she's hot as eugenics.

[Cameron Caskey]

Now, if we're talking good genes, I'm not going to get too far into this, but look no further than USA Vance. Usha Vance has good genes. Oh my God, what a JD Van Jeans do not. He doesn't deserve a second with. Although you know what? Frankly, I have no sympathy for her at this point, nor do I have any sympathy for Melania because they've made their decisions and they've made their choices and they have agent. Oh, are you. You're a Melania, Stan.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, no, I fucking hate Melania. She's the worst. I was just sighing over that. That we're still doing that we're still on the jeans.

[Cameron Caskey]

Okay, Actually, we do have another subject that we need to hit. I was about to say change the subject, but we do have one. You sent me a tweet from Amanda Lippman, who's friend of the show, at least through me. Do you know Amanda?

[Tim Miller]

Did me and Amanda go back to when you were in fucking short pants?

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, really? Yeah. I'm friends with Amanda through the imaginary best friend of FYpod, Mr. Teddy Goff tweet that says a lot of folks commenting on shift of younger men to the right, but it's young women who are also a huge story. Gen Z men are basically in line with Gen X men on party affiliation. The worst generation Gen z women are 11 points more Dem than Gen X women. So Gen Z women are doing sort of a reverse Gen Z Men here. Those with good and with bad genes. Although I don't know what bad genes are.

[Tim Miller]

I could tell you. Have you seen Stephen Miller?

[Cameron Caskey]

You think he's got bad genes?

[Tim Miller]

I mean, look at his. I mean, I'm not really into physiogonomy. I don't even know how to say that word. That's what the White nationalists tweet about. I don't know. The White nationalists tweet a lot about when instead of calling somebody ugly or fugly, which is what I like to call them, as fugly, the White nationalists say that they have bad physiognomy it's like P H Y S. I don't know, I can't spell it off the top of my head. I G O N O N M Y maybe. And it's like, it's a. This is actual eugenics. It's like a. It's like a. There's certain head face shapes that signal low iq. Anyway, Stephen Miller has it. It's kind of like he just melted Delta for physiognomy with Stephen Miller a little bit.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, that makes sense. And yeah, it is weird hearing Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller talk about the supremacy of anybody when he is supremely a cuck. It's interesting for me to see this Gen Z women thing, especially as the emergence of trad wife culture seems to be chugging along with women like Brett Cooper, who can absolutely hit me up, by the way. Brett Cooper is very hot. Or she's just incredible at taking pictures and videos. Depends. You know, some people don't translate as well in person, but we see this emergence of trad wife culture. How often do you see this stuff? Because I see it pretty frequently.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, I don't have it a lot in my feeds and I think this is interesting and why we kind of want to talk about it. Like it is. It's very much a Gen Z phenomenon. Like the greatest generation, the millennials. We did not have a lot of this, like trad wife. Like there was like, we had a little bit of a cottage core moment which was like, which was like liberal coded, which was like libs wanting to move to the Hudson Valley and wear flannel and like get back in touch with the earth a little bit. But that was like a library, like kind of a left coded thing. Now the Gen Z's are into this. Like women should be in the kitchen and move back to the farms. I mean, obviously not that many of them since Gen Z women are far more liberal than Gen X women, as the stats show. But like that minority is very into that subculture. And so I only see it like when I'm actively searching it out. Like when I go to TPUSA events. You see this a lot. Like, this is like text, not subtext of the conversation that TPOSA things. I watched some Brett Cooper just kind of get a sense for what kind of the cultural right is talking about from time to time.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, that's why, that's, that's why I've watched Brett Cooper Cooper as well.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Because research homework.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. So anyway, but you. But I'm interested in your take. Like this Stuff though, like, it seems to me like pops up into kind of your feeds and your, you know, naturally or conversations naturally, or is that not, not right?

[Cameron Caskey]

I think it's the type of thing that's taken different forms over time. Like from what I've observed, I think trad wife culture started to emerge in the 80s because that's when you saw women in the workplace becoming a much more common thing. And therefore the women who were making a point to not embrace that cultural shift were trying to make that point emphatically so. I do think trad wife culture probably does have roots that can be traced back to the 80s and to the, you know, earliest phases of women in the workplace having any sort of positions that were beyond just secretary being a thing. But as for the current iteration of trad wife culture, you know, we've talked about this before. I think so much of it involves the financial insecurity that our generation is facing and the idea that if we pair up and get, you know, shacked up early, we can be part of this sort of team. And liberalism encourages women to take more ownership over their futures and their lives and put them in financial positions where they don't have to be trapped in marriages because they don't have the career mobility to get away from their shithole husband. But I, I do think so. I, I, I think the primary contributing factor to this, this thing that women find interesting with quote unquote trad wives is the fact that we are entering an economy that is unstable where these extremely high percentages of Gen Z people are not able to find anything in the workplace. There's obviously some more to it. I think that the anti feminist wave that we faced since MeToo, which I think is largely powered by a resentment that a lot of men hold towards me too for framing us as aggressors when a lot of men have said like, well, I've never raped anybody, so why do I have to be careful about the way that I approach women in clubs? And suddenly men aren't approaching women as much anymore. And it's a complicated thing.

[Tim Miller]

There's no MeToo was obviously good and I was supportive of it and actually did some work with some me too victims, did some PR stuff. But there also has just objectively been a backlash. And I talked to Ta Nehisi Coates about this, about kind of the woke stuff. There was positive progress made, but you just have to live in a reality that a backlash was driving this, which is why I think this stuff was not happening in my era and is happening now with this younger group that came of age during the Me too stuff.

[Cameron Caskey]

Men are not walking up to and approaching women anymore. And I've had some stuff, I probably talked about this on the show before, but I've had some stuff where I've definitely noticed me too follow me into places like the bedroom, where I've been kind of happy about it because I was around 15 years old when I mean, MeToo was started by a black woman in like 2007. But when white Woman Me Too became as popular as it was around 2016, I was a teenager, so I was just starting to kiss. Fifteen was when I started to fuck, which is pretty cool. So right around then I started to see this thing. And that put me in a position where I'm much quicker to be over cautious in private with specifically women. With men it's a completely different story. But with women, I'm quicker to be over cautious than I am to jump the gun. And I think that that's been a good thing for me because when I talk about asking women if you can kiss them, when I'm talking to guys about how to go in and kiss a woman, I always say ask first. Don't ask in like a grovelly like, can I kiss you way, but ask in a confident way where you aren't devaluing yourself by asking as if you're not good enough to do it. You are simply making sure she's all right with it. And I'll tell you why. I have a lot of lady friends. Women make up at least 50% of my friends. And I hear two things from them about asking if you can kiss. I hear he asked if he can kiss me. That was so cringe and yuck. And I couldn't believe it. I wanted to vomit. And I've heard he asked if he could kiss me. That was so gallant and chivalrous. And what I noticed was that when she's into him, it's gallant and chivalrous and when she's not into him, it's cringe and ick. So what I say to my friends is, if you ask for the kiss, under almost no circumstances is the question going to change the answer. But what it can do is prevent you going in to kiss somebody who is either going to turn away and move away and put you in this awkward situation or even worse, kiss you, but not because they want to.

[Tim Miller]

Can I just say I think it's great, it's fine advice, Cameron, but I don't know, like going in for a kiss and getting rejected is an important life experience for a young man. And I think it builds character as long as you're not being creepy about it. And then forcing the kiss on her, obviously that is bad and is not as bad character and, and you should be reproached for that. But like, you know, taking a shot, taking a swing, and getting rejected, nothing wrong with that.

[Cameron Caskey]

Here's where we're going to fully become a men's podcast. I'm going to give some kissing women advice. Again, this, I don't, this is, I'm not using this as men advice. I, I, that's a different story. But with women, ask if you can go for the kiss, but do it with the confidence of it's gonna be a yes, because then it's kind of cool. Then it's like, oh, even though he knows he's all set, he's still making sure. There was a young woman that I was hanging out with and I should. We had, like, texted flirty stuff to each other, really flirty stuff. And I went and I said to her, like, hey, by the way, we can kiss now, right? And she went, no, and let me tell you why. And I was like, well, thank God I asked. And then about six months later, we were hooking up, like, every day for like, three weeks straight. So, first of all, it's an investment in a positive relationship that is built on trust and respect, because if you respect those types of boundaries, that lets them know that you are the type of person who is not going to take advantage of a situation where pressure can be applied. But also it's like, a nice thing to do. And it's, it's a way to avoid a situation where you're making somebody feel uncomfortable. And that's, like, my biggest fear. And that's, and that goes back to what we started talking about, which is like, me too. Really, really put me in the position where I understand how important it is to make sure that you're not making somebody uncomfortable. And in terms of the bisexuality of it all, hooking up with dudes made me understand what it feels like. Not the way that a woman could, of course, but I know what it feels like to be intimidated and uncomfortable because of the man that you're in bed with. Men have made me feel pressured and uncomfortable and unsafe. And while I can't understand how a woman feels in that perspective, I do know that it's fucking scary. And if I fucking ask, it works literally every time, except for the one that I described. So ask gentlemen that's Tim. Tim can't even give you advice. He's gay.

[Tim Miller]

I can I catch some girls. I can give some advice and didn't ask and got several no's and a yes and then moved on to men. Hold on, could I wrap us up? I know it's quite a long soliloquy. I think people love the Kissing with Cameron podcast and we should probably have a whole spin off podcast dedicated just to your advice when it comes to intimacy. And if people want to have questions for him, they should email.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, we have Boomer Mailbag. What's the email for that?

[Tim Miller]

Bulwarkpodcastatthebork.com if they are a boomer that have questions about their love life or if they're a zoomer that have questions about whether or not they should ask a proposed loved one for permission before kissing.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well so the one sentence wrap up I have for that just to bring it back to the OG topic was like, I think that while financial insecurity is a big part of trad wife culture, I think a lot of it is that women sort of caught on to and a lot of them agreed with this resentment men had towards the larger MeToo movement because misogyny would not be possible without the many women who help us make it happen. And me too was a big thing to turn the culture on. That and that is my truth.

[Tim Miller]

I agree with that. I've got good news. I'm going to end this on good news. We'll do more on this on Gen Z women and kind of this dichotomy between the trad wife movement and the fact that Gen Z women are going so far left. But my one sentence summation is we've got a lot of problems with young men, we being the anti fascists. But I don't think this is going to actually work on the young women. And it's going to work on some but at scale. I think that the trend of women moving more to the left is going to continue. So that's my political analysis. That's great news. This is a political show. It's called Kissing with Cameron or fypod. We appreciate you guys sticking with us.

[Cameron Caskey]

And everybody go to the FYPOD channel for even more stuff, including videos with me and a woman that I kissed for eight months. And get ready for this weekend's interview, which might be the strangest one we've had yet exciting.