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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This might be a hot take.
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That's disgusting.
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I'm unburdening myself, Kim.
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Got it.
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Imagine your, like, future kids are listening right now.
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I'm gonna be so honest.
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What made you stop?
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Do you kind of hate that?
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No, I kind of love it.
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You know, lifted it. Sorry.
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People tell me I dress like an old lady. I think that I can predict the future. Like, I don't know if this is the way not to live or the way to.
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Hey, guys. What's up? Welcome back to Gals on the Go podcast.
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It's Brooke and Katie.
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As the company has gone through some restructuring, some internal change, I can't even keep going with it, but we were, like, gonna do this whole bit that Danielle's been replaced. You guys, you just swap. We imagine we never said anything, and you just like. And I just.
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We just carried on as. As normal. Business as usual. Yeah. I guess you guys weren't expecting this, huh?
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Oh, my gosh, guys, Katie is filling in for Danielle today. We haven't done this in a minute where it's, like, a full replace. Like, normally. I feel like it's like, the trio. We were just saying that Katie's. This is Katie's fourth appearance on the podcast.
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It's my senior year of Gals on the Go.
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I'm graduating, and then it's super senior,
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and then you'll never see me again. Oh, no. And then I'll dye my hair blonde like I did in actual college.
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Oh, my gosh. That was such an era. Guys, if you. I feel like so many people, like, say, hit you with the. Like, I used to watch on YouTube, like, oh, yeah, I know. Is like, a phrase that I'm sure
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is like, okay, what made you stop?
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What did I do?
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No, what did I do?
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Literally, you're like, at what point did you stop?
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Did you say, okay, enough out of her? Yeah, it was probably the blonde face.
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For me, the study abroad was so I, like, seared into my memory, though. Like, I think you had, like, the travel journal. Like, you were the blueprint for, like, travel and, like, wanderlust.
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I feel like it really was. I'm so honored that you would say that. I really. I loved my time in Florence. I wish I could go back and do it again now, though, because I certainly did not appreciate it as much as I should have. Like, the freedom, the excitement of not knowing what I'm doing in my life, like, after college. Like, that was, like, a time. But I wish I could go back and do it now, knowing what I know. Like, I want to spend four months
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in Italy just, like, roaming around, no
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strings, not worrying about, like, work.
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Totally.
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Or money or. I was there with my school.
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Yeah. No, know, with. Literally, like, you just had to show up for class. Pretty much. Like, that's it. Like, you just had to.
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That was a time to be alive, certainly.
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Totally.
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But anyway, I'm happy to be here. Big shoes to fill.
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Reminisce you. Big shoes.
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Although I feel like maybe Danielle and I are the same shoe size.
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Yeah. Aren't you guys. What are you, like, a seven?
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I'm an eight. Eight and a half.
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Yeah. Maybe that's what she is.
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What are you?
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I'm like a nine and a half. I could go up to a 10.
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I was gonna say. I usually, like. I feel like. But you know what? Like, that, like, matches you.
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I feel like. I feel like it matches your height. It matches your height.
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It's not like.
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Yeah, somewhat. I don't know, though. My mom had big feet growing up, so I feel like then I was just, like, used destined, and it kind. Yeah. Like, I always was like, I got big shoes to fill.
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Huge shoes to fill. I do enjoy those shoes.
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Yeah. Oh, thanks. A little platform ugg. The thing with the pot. These, like, just uggs in general. One wrong turn and. My gosh, you have a permanent because. Are you spraying yours to seal it or.
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No, Absolutely not.
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Yeah, I know.
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And I know. I know. You know who's probably doing that? Clara.
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100%.
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Whenever I go through my day and I think, oh, you know, there's definitely people out there who do XYZ to, like, prevent crises.
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Totally.
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I always think, you know, who. Who's definitely doing this. Clara.
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Or who knows a solution to anything, any problem.
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Clara.
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What? What came up recently that someone in the group chat was like, Clara.
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I feel like Danielle puts in our group chat. You, me, Clara, and Danielle, and she goes, do any of you guys bleach your sheets? Like, bleach your duvets? Bleach your sheets. And I instantly knew. I'm like, you should have just singly texted Clara. Single chat. Don't need to include Brooke. And.
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Yeah. Because we don't know.
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I'm like, if go chimes in and says, I bleach my sheets, I'm gonna be like, come on.
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I mean, I've dumped a cap full of bleach in it one time. Right.
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And I experiment, see what happens.
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And I don't know if it did anything, but they smelt like the pool. So I was like, I think I up. Like, so honestly, I'm not the person to go to. Yeah, no.
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But I really hope that whatever Danielle does works for her.
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And then Clara started going into a full breakdown. She's like, if they are these sheets. Yes. If these are like, you can. It's better to do it in the bathtub than do a rin. Like a soak. And like. Of course.
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Of course.
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Like soaking your sheets in the bathtub.
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I have a question, and this might be like, this is deep.
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Oh, that's okay.
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How often do you wash your sheets? I'm talking full bed. Okay. Not just like. Like the duvet cover. Duvet cover the duvet.
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I'm gonna be so honest. Is monthly same. That's a monthly wash. Okay.
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Wait. This makes me feel a lot better.
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The sheets themselves.
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Yeah. Pillowcases.
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I would say week and a half. It can stretch to two weeks. Which isn't great. I know, but I. We also shower before bed.
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Right.
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Wear a shower before bed house.
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And you're in no outside corner bed. I know this very well.
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Exactly. So I would say that we are on the side. But I know that it's not the. I mean, do I makeup or self tanner something on my pillow right now? Totally. Entirely. Like, it's. And I just got my hair done. Like, it happens. It has an outline of Brooke, like on the.
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You know, like a crime scene. Like when he dressed the crime. Like the dead body on the crime. Brooke was here.
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I will put a picture and we'll do that in the dump this week. I'm like, my pillow. People are going to be like, that's disgusting.
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No, that's real. That's real life. I mean, the girlies are like, you know, I'm always seeing content about, like, self tanning at home. And if everyone's doing this, like, we are all having orange pillowcases, especially in the winter. It's just real life.
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Totally. I'm glad that we're fully aligned on that.
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I'm like, I'm unburdening myself.
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You're just release. Thank you. Thank you for admitting.
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Well, I'm like about the same. I'm like a week, week and a half, I like to do. But here's the thing. I have a two in one washer. It's tiny. It's very hard to do that. Plus all of the other stuff. I live with a man. He has a lot of dirty stuff. Like, a lot.
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Totally.
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So we do what we can. I need to get a separate. I need to get like, an extra set. I don't have that.
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Oh, well then that will.
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I'm like, I don't know what I'm.
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This episode is sponsored by better help Brooke and I. I feel like both, obviously our moms are our role models. 100 like and we just need to be celebrating women more because like I even think about you all the time. I'm like, you're just such an amazing person and you've just been such a good friend to me recently.
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No, that's so nice.
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Sorry not to be emotional during your head.
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Women are amazing and we, we seriously do it all. I feel like, I think also I think of you, I think of my mom. I think of people who I'm like, wow, how the heck are they doing it all? And I feel like those are the type of people who never put themselves first. And I feel like they need to do that. And I feel like one way you could do that is by going to therapy.
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Going to therapy because I feel like we put so much pressure on ourselves as women to, to be perfect, to look good, to feel good, to be
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good to our partners.
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Like every single thing. But it's so amazing when you have therapy to go to. Like I'm doing therapy like twice a
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week these, these days.
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Guys like and I love it. And better help has quality therapists too. Like their therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licen in the U.S. totally.
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And they also have an amazing therapist match commitment. So they are going to you fill out like a short questionnaire. It's very easy.
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like a separate, like a second set. I have one set.
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I don't have a second duvet and that slows me down. When I. When we wash the duvet, though, it is a pro. I'm sure you, too. Like, I mean, we have a wash dryer, but they're smaller in New York City. They really are. Like, when I say that, like, I give it three towels.
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Exactly. And if you put too much in, it won't clean all the way.
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Exactly.
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The wrinkles are insane. My duvet is so wrinkled all the time, I don't know what to do.
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I think everything I own is wrinkled. No, my entire closet. Like, it's. I have to allocate extra time when I'm, like, getting ready, because I'll, like, be like, oh, I can wear these pants, like, wrinkled.
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Everything has to be fully dressed.
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It's all wrinkled. I literally am like, it's. It's all wrinkled. Like, I have to steam this. Like, it's not. But he just thinks that's. That's, like, baseline normal now because everything's wrinkled. You know, I'm glad that you agree.
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I agree. Well, there's certain fabrics, though, that, like, I'm just kind of content with the wrinkles. Like, especially, like, linens. But, you know, they're called rich wrinkles, you know? Have you ever heard rich wrinkles?
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No. Tell me about it.
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It's like a silk or, like, a linen, and it's like one of those things you're going to get in the Uber. Your pants are going to crease no matter what.
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You're so. Right.
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Like, there's nothing you can do about it. Unless you, like, get one of those sprinter vans that they take to the award shows, and you're standing up, like, what they do. Well, that's what, like, people definitely do before.
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For the Met and stuff. Well, for the men, like, are perfectly.
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Yeah. Unwrinkled.
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Wow.
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It's a lot of the times it's for the wrinkles, but also because sometimes, like, the dresses are so tight, like Kim Kardashian, you can't, you know, can't
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bend the way you just said Kim. Got it.
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It's engraved. It's engraved.
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There are some lines from Grain in my head. Yeah, no, I agree.
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Till I die, I'll be saying them, and I'll hope to God that, like, the people around me know what I'm saying.
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Like, the reference.
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Know the reference.
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Totally. When you. When you start speaking in, like, that, speak around people who just are like, you know, like, I live offline. I'm like, you must think I'm nuts.
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No, actually, nuts. And sometimes I actually do need to stop and explain that it's from a
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TikTok and I'm not just, like, stimming. Yep, Kim. Got it. Seriously, that's actually how my brain works. Wait, so going back to the sheets, because I. I'm glad that you feel like everyone's like, weekly sheet wash. And to be honest, when I lived alone, I was doing the weekly sheet wash, but for some reason, you would think I would do it more living with a man. But it just, like, I just am like, eh. Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I'm not that. I, like, have gone.
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Yeah.
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Like, I just. Maybe I'm lazier. Like, I don't know why. I think I was very routine when I lived alone. I was like, weekly sheet wash. You know, like.
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Right. Well, throwing someone else and their habits, like, into the mix changes things. Especially, like, it'll, like, there will be, like, a day where I, like, want to do it all and get it all done. And then, like, maybe Jack's, like, having a bad day or, like, a late day at the office, and the last thing I want him to come home to is, like, the sheets just everywhere.
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The sheets off the bed. That's the worst.
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And he's the one who does the duvet cover.
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Oh, that's his job.
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He's so good at the duvet cover. Like, putting him back on the, like, trick where you, like, roll it and whatever the heck. I have never been able to master it.
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Really.
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Jack is the duvet guy. So, like, I can't, you know, now I'm like, okay, I don't want to do it without him.
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So I get that he does the duvet because that's so valid. Well, that's a good job.
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I'm not climbing inside a duvet ever again.
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That's really. That's honestly, my pain point with the duvet is putting it back on. And then if I. If you don't exactly line it up right, it's a bunch of corners. So you really want to take the time with the duvet.
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Right?
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I get that. I get that. Also, I have a really. I'm blessed. But I have a very thick mattress at the moment. Like, I have a lot of layers and, like, pads and shit, like, on it.
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Such a thick, thick mattress, like, it is.
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So when I put the sheets on, like, it takes time, like, really, like, curling it under. Like, it's not as simple as I think. When I had my, like, low to the ground bed when I lived alone, I just, like, I didn't even have, like, a bed, like, it was literally just on a board, and I had a. Back to it.
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Yeah, I don't have, like a. I. Mine's on the ground. Like, on the. Well, not on the ground. It's on, like, a rise.
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Spray box spring.
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That's what it is.
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I'm like, a riser.
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A riser?
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Yeah.
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Is your bed. I haven't, like. I'm trying to remember your bed. Is it, like, really high off the ground? Do you jump to get into it?
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Not, like, running start. Here you go. Yeah. Geronimo.
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I'm picturing, like, Princess and the pea. Like, 35 mattresses stacked on top. Like.
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Yeah, no, it's. It's not, like.
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A
Is there a fall risk in the night? You worried about rolling over?
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It's definitely off the ground, though, because the bed has drawers. Like, the box spring, I guess, has, like the. Yeah, Like, I have, like, a bed that has.
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You're an elite person.
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B
Yeah.
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I do not have any under bed storage because it's just, like, low down.
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B
It's. It's kind of nice to have, honestly.
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A
Right.
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B
Yeah. Or at least when I had just the box spring, like, I put like a. Like a skirt.
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Right.
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You know, like, old college style, like, with, like. What is it?
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Like, the frills.
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Yeah. Like, I was just like, I just need something to cover up all of my bins under here.
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Right.
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B
So that's, like. That was like, my. My costumes and literally my, like, my Halloween costumes were under the bed.
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My costume. I used to have a costume bin in college.
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B
That's so fun.
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And it was just so. We used to. Oh, the times.
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B
Oh. Back in the day.
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A
Back in the day. Seriously?
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B
Oh, my gosh. So how. How is life? How's everything going? You've. You're 30, flirty and thriving. Literally every year. I'm, like, putting on my resolution list. Like, I'm gonna start cooking. Like, I'm gonna start meal prep. Like, meal prep. Like, that's my whole thing. I'm like, I'm gonna do prep. Like, I'm really inspired by, like, my brother. It's not happening. I don't know what to tell myself. Like, it's just simply not happening. So I need to find solution systems that fit my life and Marley Spoon is it. Marley Spoon actually adapts with you. Some nights you do cook. Some nights you heat up something. They have, really, options for it all and just meals that fit your schedule, not the other way around. I feel like sometimes with. With meal kit services, it's kind of like you get what you get and you don't get upset, but like, Marley Spoon, you really get to say, hey, I want like five meals that I could just pop in the microwave. Or like, hey, I want like, you know, a quick meal that I could like, whip up for my partner and like, you know, be like, I'm, I'm impressing them.
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C
And, you know, it's gonna be like quality ingredients too. Like, when you get your Marley Spoon, it comes in a box of like, you have your meats and everything. But then there's like this. It almost seems like it came from the farmer's market. Like a box of like all the vegetables and everything.
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B
Yeah. Their marketplace is amazing. I've gotten like string cheese from there. And like, as you like fruits, vegetables, like sides, meal enhancements. Like, I just really. Enhancement, enhancement. Option to add on.
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A
With the option to add.
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C
They give you over 100 recipes to choose from each week. Like, they have chicken Milanese with cucumber arugula salad. Or they also have everything. Bagel, salmon with truffle, chive potatoes and green beans. Like, it's, it's really quality ingredients and fun meals for.
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B
Totally it. It's like stuff that you probably wouldn't think of yourself, but, like, it's, it's really like, taste forward. Like, I will say that it's not just like bland like chicken and rice. Like, you know, like, you're getting some like, unique things. I made like a chicken quesadilla situation for Ben and I. And I have to say, like, I was patting myself on the back, like, I was like, yeah, yeah, I made this.
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C
Yeah, yeah. It's like, if you have a few extra minutes, you can do those great 20 minute options. Like, there's seriously something for everyone and they have really tasty things. I walked in the kitchen the other day and Ryan was making it. I forget what he was making. It was like a. There was a pasta involved with some shrimp. Like, I don't even know.
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B
I love their, like, there's like a chicken bakes that you could like reheat sort of like in the microwave.
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C
That's nice.
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B
Yeah, I, you know, I just love a protein focused meal these days. And sometimes I don't want to be just grilling chicken. Like, I just want to have it ready to go.
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C
Sometimes you just want it ready to go. Especially in your running journey. Like, you're on so many journeys.
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B
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A
Guys, I'm 30 years old and now Jack just turned 33 days ago. So now no more cougar jokes.
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B
I don't think I realized that you, you guys have the same like age gap that I have.
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A
Yeah, it's like 4ish month, 5. 4 months? I don't even know.
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B
No, it's the same.
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A
What's the math? October to February.
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B
That it's like November, December.
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A
I'm counting on my fingers behind four months.
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B
Do you kind of hate that?
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A
No, I kind of love it.
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B
Really? Yeah. Okay, you teach me your ways.
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A
I kind of like to like have my moment.
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B
Okay.
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And be like, okay. It's just, you know, here I am 30 and I'm not having anyone being
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like, well, When I was 30, when
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A
I turned 30, I get to do that to him.
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B
Wait, I. That's a new perspective. That's like a better perspective of looking at it.
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Like he woke up. I was like, do you feel any older? He's like, no, he's. I'm like, yeah, I remember when I turned 30. I remember day one.
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B
You'll get there two weeks.
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A
Just wait till you go to the doctor and you have to check a new box.
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B
Oh. Cuz it's like the new age. Like, you know how they do it in like blocks?
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A
Yeah, I don't actually think it is. I think it's actually 28 to 30.
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B
Got it.
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A
Or something like that.
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B
Like when you do like the demographics on YouTube, I'm realizing that we're starting to get. Because I just had to send in like demographics or something. I think it goes to 32. Like it's whatever it is, like 25 to 32.
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A
No, I'm getting to the end of the box.
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B
No, I'm realizing I'm like, my audience is growing with me. Like we're, we're bumping to the next one.
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A
We're moving on, graduating. We're graduating.
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B
It is starting to get more split. I'm sure yours is too. Because I feel like most of your audience is like around your age, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Do you feel that way?
- [17:28]
A
I do. And like younger. Because they're looking, looking up, I suppose, but. And then, you know, I've got a nice little bucket of like 60 plus in there.
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B
I feel like I see that for
- [17:39]
A
you and I love their comments. I really do. I really do.
- [17:44]
B
I love them. I did notice that my grandma did comment on one of your reels. Did I tell you this?
- [17:49]
A
Yes, about. Yeah, it was when I was talking about.
- [17:52]
B
About dressing and outfits and stuff. I was like, wow, so your content's resonating with people of all ages.
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A
I really love to hear that, especially because people tell me I dress like an old lady, so I'm like, awesome. That really reaffirms my greatest insecurity.
- [18:05]
B
No, I'm getting, like, that's exactly the demographic.
- [18:09]
A
Honestly, that's just, like, what I'm going for. I. I love, like, old lady hobbies, habits, and dress you really like.
- [18:17]
B
It's funny, all the stuff about the sheets and stuff, because I feel like you're so presenting is, like, having it all together. Like, you know, just the way that you. I feel like you carry yourself with. I hate to. I hate when people say you carry yourself with confidence, because I always feel like it's like, a backhanded compliment. I'm like, oh, so you think I'm heinous? Like, but, like, you know what I mean. Yeah, I know you mean this. Bold of you to show up in the world today. Like, wow. I literally just went to work. Like, I don't know. But.
- [18:39]
A
Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean. But I appreciate.
- [18:42]
B
Not like that, though. No, but I feel like you do. Like, you. Like, I feel like even if you don't know anybody, like, at a party, like, you walk into the room, I feel like you're. I don't know how to describe it. Like, your presence is very, like, comfortable.
- [18:53]
A
Thank you.
- [18:54]
B
Yeah, I see.
- [18:55]
A
It's so interesting you say that, because I feel the absolute opposite. Like, I think I was actually thinking about this the other day. I think throughout life, like, I've developed social anxiety that I never had before. Like, in college, I was the kind of person that would walk in anywhere and, like, make a million friends. I would talk to strangers.
- [19:13]
B
Yeah.
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A
Like, in a nice way. Like, I would, you know, make friends with the barista. Like, I would be. And now I'm like. I don't know what it is, but I'm, like, afraid of people. Like, I'm afraid of people. So I'm trying to get out of that and, like, remind myself that, like, people are good sometimes. There's, like, you know, not such scary experiences out there when you. When you try to be social. But, like, I've just had this weird anxiety creep up as I've gotten older because I think it's because I Know more now. And I know that there are really terrible people out there that, like, are, you know, talking about smash behind your back and, like, things like that, so.
- [19:47]
B
No, I totally get that. And, like.
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A
But I love that you think that I am. I was actually thinking about that because I was driving down Bleecker on the way here, and that's where that guy films all those confidence videos.
- [19:57]
B
Or like, oh, my gosh.
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A
He's like.
- [19:59]
B
He asked the most strange sequence of questions. Do you agree with that? It's like, where's your outfit from? Why are you confident? What do you do for a living? Like, I'm like, what is the. Like, what is the combination? Is it that one or there's another one? There's a couple.
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A
There's two questions.
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B
Okay, okay.
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A
No, and I might be wrong because I think actually the one they film over there is, like, the what do you do for a living? Is it the same guy? It's different.
- [20:19]
B
No, there's different guys in one of them. I like his line of questioning. And the other one, like, I mean, do whatever you want. Like, they're both, like, street interviewers. Like, I think it's great and, like, cool and stuff. I'm just one of them. I'm like, what the. How did we get to this question? Like, it doesn't make any sense.
- [20:32]
A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
But anyways.
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A
No, but we were driving. I was driving past in my Uber, and I, like, looked out and I was thinking to myself, it's so funny that you're saying this. I'm like, I would never be stopped one by one, those people, because I don't think I walk with confidence at all.
- [20:44]
B
I. I don't either. I definitely don't. I've never.
- [20:46]
A
Honestly, I'm happy to not be stopped by them.
- [20:49]
B
I have never been stopped because of my outfit. I've never been stopped because, like, of any of those things. Actually, one time, Danielle and I, but we were, like, very clearly, like, taking photos.
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A
Okay.
- [21:01]
B
And it was like a what's your story? Type of thing. And I was like, I don't. Look, buddy, if you're looking for a good story, I don't have one.
- [21:07]
A
Like, I have a weekly podcast you can tune into if you want to know, and a vlog that I've been doing for 10 plus years. And, yeah, we're not really a very mysterious story.
- [21:18]
B
I feel like you can't, like, sum it up in, like, one. Like, some people have, like, such a clear story. Like, they're like, you know.
- [21:24]
A
Yeah.
- [21:24]
B
And this is my purpose in life or whatever it is. And I'm like, I. I don't know.
- [21:28]
A
Have you. Do you ever feel like, well, I would hope so.
- [21:32]
B
Yeah.
- [21:32]
A
Like, you know, it's nice to go through life thinking, oh, I'm not at my peak yet. I'm still getting better. That's the way you should go through life. You should never be like, oh, I peaked in college, and that's it for me. Like, you should always be optimistic about the. But I genuinely believe that my peak is somewhere in, like, my 50s and 60s. I could, like, I truly believe. And I'm not, like, waiting until then to live my life. But I really think that's gonna be the best years of my life, like, genuinely. And I think I'm gonna finally figure it out then.
- [22:00]
B
But one day you're gonna be like, hey, I'm ready for that street.
- [22:03]
A
No, seriously, I'm ready for the confidence interview on Bleecker Street.
- [22:07]
B
Maybe that's when you'll be approached. It will be like, when you're, like, visiting the city again, like, with your kids or something, maybe taking them on, like, a college tour. And then they.
- [22:14]
A
I'll be like, I was waiting for this.
- [22:16]
B
You're like, I knew one day this would happen.
- [22:18]
A
I knew my time would come.
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B
Or the real irony would be, like, if they then, like, go to, like, and they're like, oh, no, no, I was talking to your kid.
- [22:24]
A
Yeah. I'm like, oh, oh, what a bummer.
- [22:29]
B
No, what a bummer happen. No, I always wonder how they choose the people for those anyways, because it will be like, a couple, and then, like, you know, he'll talk to either, like, the guy or the girl. I would be so fun if I was the other person. I would be like, oh, I wonder
- [22:40]
A
if he does both. But then he just uses the. The more interesting one. I like to think that when he approaches a couple, he interviews both people and he picks which one is more interesting in his opinion.
- [22:51]
B
Yes.
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A
You know what I mean?
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B
The comment sections on those always freak me out. Like, not 99 of the time. They're positive. And, like, the people are like, oh, my God, the girl's so beautiful, or whatever. But sometimes they'll just be like, the vibes are off. Yeah.
- [23:03]
A
This person got, oh, completely ambushed on their way to the store.
- [23:09]
B
Yes.
- [23:09]
A
Like, when you're walking on Bleecker, you're sometimes, like, you're either going to get a bagel, you're hungover, or you're going to, like, do in or shopping, or you're just trying to get to the subway. You know, it's like you're going through a bunch of different emotions.
- [23:23]
B
You're moving with purpose.
- [23:25]
A
And also. Yeah. Trying not to look at anyone because you don't want to invite.
- [23:29]
B
You lock eyes with someone. I've been. Yeah, I agree. I've been freaking myself.
- [23:33]
A
Stranger danger.
- [23:34]
B
Like, the news. Like, I'm like, if I make eye contact too long, like, they're gonna think that I'm welcoming them to kill me. Like, I don't know why my mind is twisted recently.
- [23:41]
A
No, I think that that's what's up with me. I think that it's affecting my confidence. Like, really? Yeah. But you know what? I also think it's just the winter. I think that first sunny aperol. Spritz day.
- [23:51]
B
Totally.
- [23:51]
A
We're gonna. I'll have an absolute new lease on life.
- [23:54]
B
You have one of those days in New York where it's just like a random sequence of, like, positive events. Like, you'll be drinking outside and, like, someone will, you know, sit at the place next to you, like, and this is single or in a relationship, like, and you just strike up a conversation. You're like, hey, like, let's go get another. Like, oh, let me get your information. Like, maybe if I ever, like, come into your business or something, like, you just end up like one of the random connections. And then you. You're walking through the park, you run into someone, you know, like, it's just one of those good days.
- [24:21]
A
And you get a really nice email in your inbox. You're like, yes.
- [24:25]
B
And then everything is well and good.
- [24:27]
A
Life is worth living. Justin Bieber.
- [24:30]
B
It always is that. That the days where it's like one good thing kind of happens or like, you start having positive interactions. I do feel like it's like a. I just watched a TikTok.
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A
It's a domino effect.
- [24:39]
B
One girl was like, I don't know if I'm delusional or just type B, but, like, I literally always just, like, believe things will work out in my favor. And I would not say that I operate that way, but I feel like the times in my life that I've just been, like, I'm just gonna let go. Like, does work out, but I. It's hard to get myself to that place. I don't know about you, I'm.
- [24:57]
A
Yeah, I'm way too. You're talking to the biggest control freak in the entire world. Always imagining the worst case scenario because it could always be better than the worst case scenario. That's what I always Tell myself, which should not be the way I'm living my life. But alas, that's what. That's what's worked for me for 30 years.
- [25:16]
B
I feel that way, too a lot of the times with Danielle. And I, like, you know, she'll be like. Like, I have, like, big ideas, and I'm like. Like, you know, all negative over here. I'm like, yeah, but that's probably not gonna work out because of this. This. But I feel that I'm more of, like, the realistic. Yeah, it's more like the dreamer.
- [25:30]
A
I feel like that, too. And Jack's the dreamer in my relationship. It's like the black cat golden retriever. I am the black cat through and through.
- [25:37]
B
Oh, that's really funny. But, yeah, I feel like with, like, the way you see, like, things have come and I wouldn't say that I'm a negative person. I just feel like I'm, like, aware.
- [25:46]
A
No, that's the same way I feel. And I do feel like I'm a creative person, which usually, like, creative. And, like, I am optimistic in many ways, but, like, when it comes to the things in my life that I can control, like, the controllable things, I'm, like, very much like, okay, this is probably gonna go this way. Or, like, I'm. I try. I think that I can predict the future. I think that's my problem, and I genuinely believe that I can. And it's going to be, like, not what I'm expecting.
- [26:14]
B
Yeah, yeah. But does it. So are you saying, like. Let's just say it's like a work thing or something, and you're like, oh, I predict. Like, will you predict that something positive will happen with it? Or negative most of the time, like
- [26:24]
A
an outcome, I guess, either negative or neutral.
- [26:26]
B
Okay.
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A
I never think it's gonna go better than.
- [26:29]
B
Yeah. Better than anticipated, but I think I
- [26:31]
A
do that to protect myself, like, truly as a survival instinct. Like, then it'll only be better than what I'm expecting.
- [26:38]
B
Wow, that's. See, I get that. Yeah, I feel that way, too.
- [26:40]
A
And then it's electric when it goes better than what I thought.
- [26:43]
B
Oh. It's like, I don't know if this
- [26:44]
A
is the way not to live or the way to live, because the other day I went to this event solo, which I hate doing, and I've talked
- [26:49]
B
to you, and you wouldn't even know because she shows up. So.
- [26:52]
A
No, you would never know. But, like, you don't want to know what's going on inside my head, because. So I went to this event, preparing myself to not know anybody and like, kind of planning out what I would do in that situation, like, and where I would position myself and like how long I would allow myself to stay until I was like, let me get out of here. I ended up having the time of my life. I did actually know three people there that I didn't know were going to be there. So that was a silver fun lining. And then I made some new friends which like, oh, okay. But then. But still me realist will be like, well, that's not going to happen again. Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same. You know what I mean? In the same place.
- [27:30]
B
But you have the. I actually am a big like evidence person. That's my. Which I feel like you are too because of like, I mean everything. But I am that way in the sense of like, I feel like Ben will like be talking about something like. But the evidence has shown that it's always worked out for you. So why are you worried? Because if we go by, you know, the past three times that this has gone and that's maybe someone else's life, it's easier to do that to someone else's life than your own. Because I think for yourself, you're kind of like more protective.
- [27:59]
A
Oh yeah.
- [27:59]
B
But you know, when you're.
- [28:00]
A
Oh, I'm absolutely that way as well. But I did see this quote and I really subscribed to it and I'm gonna. Well, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. Is don't forget to imagine the best case scenario too. Like you're gonna imagine the worst case scenario. But also don't forget to like let yourself dream even for like five seconds about like what could really, you know, work out in this scenario.
- [28:21]
B
You're so right.
- [28:22]
A
Because you can't, like that's. You need to imagine all possible, all possibilities. You can't limit your yourself. And I think I do have a very limited. It's only ever me though. I'm always like telling everyone else around me to dream big and then go for it. But to me, let's be realistic. How sad is that?
- [28:40]
B
It's definitely self protective and maybe, maybe we could work on it.
- [28:44]
A
No, we are working. Here's the thing. Work in progress. And that is why I'm saying by 50 or 60, I'm gonna have it all figured out, be all cleaned up. What's it, what's the quote? It's like it's gonna be over for you.
- [28:54]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it? Oh my gosh.
- [28:58]
A
When I'M in my Martha Stewart years. Like Martha Stewart, like, I'm talking it's over for you. Not young Martha. Like Martha, when she like you know, figured it out.
- [29:06]
B
Totally. Now that I'm in this phase of life where I feel like so many of my friends are getting engaged, moving into like their first having a baby, like, big milestones. I am always thinking about gifts and like, what gifts can I get these people? And to be honest, it's a lot, It's a lot to be like, oh, I'm gonna get like her, you know, a picture frame. I'm gonna get her. Like, it just is too much. And my constant go to that I always go back to, that's something that just is like my reliable. It's gonna hit every time. Everybody's always happy with it. Is Baked by Melissa Truly. My go to. These are the bite sized cupcakes that are handcrafted, beautifully packaged and they're literally perfect for anyone. I have to tell you, like, anyone from like my parents, my grandparents to kids, anybody is gonna love a Baked by Melissa cupcake. If you haven't already had them, I mean, just do yourself a favor and like just order them for yourself. I, I feel like I grew up on Baked by Melissa. When I would come to New York City, I would go to the big By Melissa's, pick up like a 12 pack for myself and like bring them home. And it was like always like such a fun, cute like core memory. And I feel like Baked by Melissa has been like a part of my life through literally every phase. I remember Hannah, my freshman year roommate, before we even roomed together, she sent me a box of Baked by Melissa cupcakes for my birthday and was like, oh, so excited to room with you. Like, I, I'm talking Big by Melissa is always there. Okay. Baked by Melissa cupcakes are entirely made by hand and they really turn every moment into a celebration. Like just opening the box, it just puts a smile on your face. They also have like happy birthday boxes. You can like write a custom note so they will know that the gift is coming from you. They have like beautiful gift boxes. Truly, truly. And there's something for every taste. Classic. And then they have like creative flavors and they have constantly rotating new options. I, you guys know I am not free and I get like the nut free mix so you, you don't even have to worry about it. They also have like gluten free and vegan choices. Literally choices so everyone can enjoy. They're fresh and they ship fast because they ship in one to two days nationwide. So you can choose your arrival date so your cupcakes are going to show up perfectly fresh, right on time. I mean, Baked by Melissa is literally it. Like, let me tell you, a birthday, an anniversary, anything. And I feel like a lot of times, like, for people in my life, like, I want to physically be there, but I can't. And I'm like, okay, let me just send Baked by Melissa because it feels so personal. Everybody loves a cupcake. I mean, who doesn't love a freaking cupcake? And they're bite sized. They're the perfect. You can have, like, a little sweet treat, like, oh, gosh, guys. Baked by Melissa. Okay, Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20 off your order@baked by melissa.com Gals on the go. Go. That's bakedbymelissa.com Galsonthego for 20 off your order. Bakedbymelissa.com galsonthego we are so excited about working with Baked My Melissa, guys. Huge fans.
- [31:49]
A
That's me. It's over for you.
- [31:52]
B
It's over for you. That's. Wow. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Wait, so talk about your podcast now, because, Katie, I. I feel. Well, you have multiple podcasts. Match Made in Manhattan. I mean, that one is just like, like, Tried and True Classic.
- [32:04]
A
That's our Tried and True Classic. Match Made in Manhattan. My besties, Colby and Adam. We do a weekly podcast. We talk about all sorts of things. Definitely it started out as a relationship podcast. Now it's kind of just become like a. We just vent and catch up in life in New York and just about whatever's going on that given week.
- [32:23]
B
I feel like you guys talk about work stuff too, which is very relatable to many because they both work jobs that are, like, corporate adjacent.
- [32:30]
A
Exactly. Yeah.
- [32:31]
C
Yeah.
- [32:31]
B
And it's very. That's what I've heard from my friends, I have to say, like, who listen, they're like, oh, I love that they, like, talk about that stuff because I feel like sometimes, like, with our lives, they're. I don't want to say, like, not relatable, but you might be like, oh, okay, this is.
- [32:43]
A
Oh, yeah, no, I feel unrelatable a lot. Like, there's like, certain days where I'm like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm not really busy today. And I, like, talk to Adam and he's already worked out twice and has, you know, calls until 2 in the morning with China and whatever. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm. It's nice to Hear.
- [32:58]
B
Yeah.
- [32:59]
A
With a different schedule.
- [33:00]
B
Totally. I'm like, maybe I should do something other than needlepoint this morning. Like, maybe I should.
- [33:04]
A
Yeah.
- [33:04]
B
I'm like, no, I'm doing this so that I could talk about it. My tick tock. That's my justice.
- [33:08]
A
It is productive. It's research in a way. Well, so it's doing something quite literally productive, but also research for content and things.
- [33:15]
B
Totally.
- [33:15]
A
That's how I like to. I like to always tell myself it's just, it's research.
- [33:18]
B
Oh, that's a good. But you're such a creative that I feel like it really is research for you. Like, that's the difference. Like I feel like if you're doing like a project, like it really is research for me. I'm just like around.
- [33:26]
A
It's the gears, it's the gears turning and thinking, okay, what can I. How can I spin this into something that's like content related? But yeah, that's match made work. Life so good in the Big Apple. And then Mystery for two, which is our new podcast Jack and I started it's true crime vibes, but mostly like just mysteries. Like there's not when you think true crime, a lot of times you think like murder. And it's not like always murder. There's like other just interesting stories from history that you might not have heard of that, that started out as a mystery and are either solved or unsolved. And we debunk them every week.
- [34:02]
B
I love it. And I feel like you cover some ground like some that I've heard of that I'm like, oh my God, I always did wonder about that. And then some that I didn't, I didn't even know about. What was it like the balloon thing? There was something.
- [34:11]
A
Balloon boy, Yeah. I mean there's just so many crazy stories out there. Some that have been like covered in Netflix documentaries, but a lot of them that like, I feel like people just don't know about in their day to day. Like this week's we're doing, we're doing a story about the Louvre, but not the Louvre heist that happened in 2025, the one that happened in 1911 when the Mona Lisa was stolen. And a lot of people don't even know the Mona Lisa was stolen. Exactly. So I don't know, it just, it scratches a niche for me to do the research and then also to tell Jack the stories because he's just. It doesn't take much to blow him away, but he's always like blown away and it's, it's fun.
- [34:47]
B
I love the four.
- [34:47]
A
We have a fun time.
- [34:48]
B
You guys should go. Obviously. Go listen to both. I'm sure that you do. I feel like every time that we meet. Meet people. Like, if we meet listeners or something, they're like, of course. Match me.
- [34:56]
A
Yeah, no, it's really sweet. I always love it. I love how. I love the crossover that we have
- [35:01]
B
at, like, live shows and stuff. I feel like people are like, oh, yeah, you guys. Whenever we say you're like that, you guys are there. Like, I feel like everybody's like. Like, it's very fun.
- [35:09]
A
It's very special. Like, don't you feel like doing. I mean, doing the pod with Danielle and just these. The way that we're chronicling our lives with podcasts and. And on video with our vlogs and everything. But, like, the way we get to, like, like, look back at these things totally. And listen. Like, imagine your, like, future kids are listening right now. Stop to this episode. And they're like, that's my mom.
- [35:30]
B
They're like, that was my mom.
- [35:31]
A
Like, that was my mom. She was like, and what is she wearing?
- [35:35]
B
Yeah, always 100 gonna be that way. Because I do that with myself even. I'll look back on things from, like, you know, when we were in college and whatnot. Like, when we started the podcast. I'm like, what the.
- [35:44]
A
No, we did this whole.
- [35:45]
B
Seriously photo shoot in the beginning of the podcast. My outfits. I should be arrested. Like, no, truly. I wore a pair of cropped pink overalls, corduroy.
- [35:56]
A
Wait, how is it cropped? Like Caprice. Shut up.
- [36:01]
B
Like, it was not full because I have, like, longer. Like, so it just was ill fitting.
- [36:05]
A
Like, were they meant to be capris or they just ended?
- [36:07]
B
They were probably meant to, like, be like, a seven, eight slay. Yeah. You know, and for me, they were a little bit shorter. I just thought. I. I feel like I was like this. These are sick. Like, but now I'm like, what were you thinking?
- [36:18]
A
See, that's why you always need to just dress the way that you want to dress. And not necessarily always with the trends, because at some points, like, you're. You're gonna get it wrong a lot. But, like, there's gonna be one outfit that, like, will. Will hit the mark one day totally. Like, in the future and be like, oh, wow, she was ahead of her time.
- [36:37]
B
I. I get that. Yeah. And I. I'm trying to, like, not play into every single trend, too. When it comes, I feel like, like, there's a new cut of trendy jeans Every month.
- [36:46]
A
What's the trendy gene of, of right now, would you say?
- [36:49]
B
Oh my. Is it still, like, straight leg? Like, I don't even know what people are like, exactly doing. No matter what, I feel like they're not really like, tight and flattering on the butt, which I kind of hate. Like, I like a jean that I'm like, oh, like I got a little booty in this.
- [37:03]
A
Yeah.
- [37:04]
B
You know what I'm saying?
- [37:04]
A
Yeah. Like that's, that's like what I've got going for me. Like, I, I really do think, like, the, the tight jean look is my look totally, like tight and a flare. Like, I'm not talking skinny.
- [37:15]
B
No. But at the top, I want exactly to be snug. I don't want to look like I have a diaper.
- [37:19]
A
They will have to rip tight jeans out of my cold, dead hands. Like I, I need them to live.
- [37:26]
B
I totally got that. Yeah. At the top.
- [37:28]
A
Stretchy. They need to be stretchy. Like a little bit. At least a little bit.
- [37:32]
B
100. Yeah. No. I don't know what the gene of the exact moment is, but all I know is that there's a new creation somehow every time. Like, I, you know, I think I know them all. Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, actually liking the like, no, no top.
- [37:46]
A
The topless top. It's like. I know what you mean. Like the raw.
- [37:50]
B
Raw. Like it doesn't have buttons and stuff. Like it. I guess it's like those still here.
- [37:54]
A
So how do they stay buttons?
- [37:56]
B
Oh, are they like piece of string? Like, I think it literally is a piece of string.
- [38:03]
A
All you mean is a piece of string?
- [38:04]
B
Yeah, that's it. It's the miracle of string.
- [38:07]
A
The miracle pants.
- [38:09]
B
Okay. I think, I don't know if those
- [38:11]
A
will be on my, on my wish list. Yeah.
- [38:13]
B
Or low rise. I'm like, I can't get there. Personally, I respect it for everybody who can. If it fits your body proportions, like, go off. I'm honestly jealous. Like, I want to look like Lucy from Tell Me Lies and like, wear low cut, low rise jeans and like,
- [38:25]
A
but are you ever worried about, like, with the low rise. I'm referring to the, the adopters of the low rise trend. Are you ever worried about, like, losing your pants? Like the pants, like falling, like, are we, are we worried about the butt crack? Are we worried. I'm worried.
- [38:37]
B
Losing your pants.
- [38:38]
A
Are you ever worried about just losing them? Gone with the Wind.
- [38:46]
B
No. I do know. I used to. Katie, that's so funny you say that because I feel like in middle school, like, all the obviously low rise jeans were. It, like, that was just jeans in my mind. Like, I said low rise to medium. Like, there was no high rise when we were middle school.
- [38:58]
A
But I didn't have, like, skin exposed. Like, I had my shirt tucked all the way in also.
- [39:03]
B
Me too.
- [39:03]
A
So it didn't even really feel like they were low rise because they were, like, secure. Does that make sense?
- [39:07]
B
See, mine were just not secure because I hadn't gone through puberty yet, so I had literally not. I was skin and bones. Like, I was fainting. Like, I can't bring back those days, but, my God, I wish I could. Like, I was, like, straight up, like, the girl who, like, I was like, I didn't need lunch, like, passing out and. Oh, my God, I can't believe it. I feel like my hormones were, like, all over the place. Well, yeah, of course, because you're, like, you know, whatever. But my pants were literally always falling off, and I always had my butt crack exposed. I feel like I did. It's the point, because I was, like, legit. I feel like, just like. Like, skin and bones. Like, did you feel.
- [39:41]
A
Did you feel a breeze back there?
- [39:42]
B
I. I feel like I might have. And I don't think I was wearing thongs either. Because you're middle school. You're not wearing thongs.
- [39:48]
A
No. Oh, my God. I don't even. I, like, had to, like, ask permission from my mom to, like, let not. I mean.
- [39:55]
B
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you had the mall at, like, it was.
- [39:57]
A
We had to go shopping together.
- [39:58]
B
Yeah. I feel like the first time I remember being with my mom. And then I started, like, going to Victoria's Secret with my friends and being.
- [40:04]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [40:04]
B
Oh, we're gonna do, like, the five for 25.
- [40:06]
A
Like, oh, I loved the deals at Aerie as well. And Victoria's Secret. Although I always kind of felt like a poser walking into Victoria's Secret as a kid.
- [40:13]
B
I'm like, oh, totally.
- [40:14]
A
Everyone here knows I'm a virgin. Like, everyone here knows.
- [40:17]
B
No, I would be with my friends, and they'd be like, oh, we're gonna try on, like, the Bombshell bra.
- [40:21]
A
And I was like, yeah, seriously. And I didn't want any of those ladies getting near me with a tape measure. I'm like, I don't. I know what size I am. And I would never, ever buy the right size.
- [40:31]
B
Yeah.
- [40:32]
A
For so many years, just like, like, never had the right sized bra because I refused to let anyone help me.
- [40:36]
C
So funny.
- [40:37]
B
And you Were just like confident and
- [40:38]
A
hey, no, I wasn't confident. I was scared.
- [40:41]
B
You were just scared.
- [40:41]
A
Let's be real. Let's be real. I don't want anyone listening to know to think that like this is. This is all a facade. I am a deeply.
- [40:49]
B
Every scare person. Oh my God. Everything. It goes to show. Hey, everything on the Internet's fake. Katie doesn't even know if you should bleach your shoes.
- [40:56]
A
No, I don't know anything.
- [40:57]
B
I'm joking. I don't know either, clearly.
- [40:59]
A
No, we keep it real. We keep it real. And honestly, the more you admit it, it's just. It makes everyone feel less alone. I think we're all just kind of.
- [41:07]
B
I definitely thought by 30 I would have. I. I'm turning 29, I guess I should say. But like I thought that I would just like a manual appears in your brain and you just like know how to do. Cuz I feel like my parents always knew how to do.
- [41:20]
A
Yeah.
- [41:20]
B
Like literally everything. Whenever I have a question about anything, if my dad doesn't know, my mom knows.
- [41:26]
A
Yeah.
- [41:26]
B
And if my mom doesn't know, my dad like it. I mean still to this day. But I'm like with age.
- [41:31]
A
When does that wisdom. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's a lot of faking it till you make it. Really. And I do think like because, you know, I actually, I thought of this the other day. Like, you know, I was asking my mom something or something along the lines of like they were going on a trip or something. And I was talking to her and I was like, oh my God. It's my mom's first time going through life. It's my mom's first time. She's turning 60 soon. Wow. And which it's insane because she, My mom, she's. She's doing everything right.
- [41:59]
B
Like she.
- [41:59]
A
She's amazing. But she's turning 60 soon. We're talking about her 60th birthday. That's what we were doing. And I was like, I can't believe it's my mom's first time turning 60. It's her first time. Like when you remember that.
- [42:09]
B
So right.
- [42:10]
A
But. But you're so right. Like, I always feel like growing up my mom had an answer for absolutely everything. But also I'm on. In hindsight, I'm like, did she just like come up with an answer and maybe it wasn't even right?
- [42:19]
B
Yes.
- [42:19]
A
But I'm like, my mom said had XYZ definitely.
- [42:22]
B
And there were definitely were some things that were stretches of the of the truth or.
- [42:26]
A
Well, like, parents have to lie a lot to, like, you know, in terms of, like, the Easter Bunny and.
- [42:33]
B
And I feel like you have to come up with a quick answer. Quick. You don't want to tell your kid. I don't know. Like, you really want to be like,
- [42:39]
A
I think I'll develop a lot of confidence once I am a parent and have to lie through my teeth because as of right now, I cannot. I cannot lie. It's really hard.
- [42:47]
B
I get that. Oh, and you're watching Traders and how hard would it be to be a trader? I would struggle so hard.
- [42:53]
A
I can't decide which would be harder. Being a faithful. Like, harder on your emotional.
- [42:58]
B
Because it's so frustrating if you're faithful. To be like, I'm literally, like, you
- [43:02]
A
have to believe me. And also, like, it's so easy to. To flub your words one time.
- [43:08]
B
Yeah.
- [43:09]
A
And then be crucified for it.
- [43:10]
B
Yes.
- [43:11]
A
And you're like, on that show, what I found crazy is that, like, they don't. They, like, they have their glam once a day that they do themselves, and then they have to, like, do the challenges. Put the clothes back on from the morning from breakfast. It's, like, so, like, taxing on them emotionally, their brain, like, how much. How often. Like, I don't know how much sleep they get a night.
- [43:34]
B
I don't think a lot. Like, you could tell by the end of the episode. They're, like, tired.
- [43:40]
A
I feel like I would look just ghastly.
- [43:43]
B
I.
- [43:43]
A
On that show.
- [43:45]
B
I get that.
- [43:46]
A
And then how does Mora look? As good as she looks. I mean, that girl is not real.
- [43:51]
B
No, she's. I'm con. Fully convinced she's not real. Like, she's not real. She actually does look like. If you looked up, like, AI, Beautiful woman. Like, I feel like she looks like that.
- [44:00]
A
The people that, like, bamboozle me on Instagram, I get Bamboozled all of the time.
- [44:05]
B
Me, too. Me too.
- [44:06]
A
Especially with animal content.
- [44:08]
B
Oh. Like, the animals doing silly things or something.
- [44:10]
A
I'm like, oh, that's literally. I send things to Jack and he's like, this is AI. Like, I feel like a boomer.
- [44:17]
B
Yep. Yeah. I mean, if it's, like, crazy ridiculous, like a tiger dancing, I'm like, okay, that's AI. Yeah, that's some. My dad would send and be like, lol. This is real. But, like, if it's slightly.
- [44:27]
A
Yeah. Like, use your brain. Use your brain a little bit. Yeah, But I use my brain a lot. A bit. And I still fall for things I.
- [44:33]
B
I still fall for. And I feel like I'm not, like, good at using AI either. Like, I feel like so many people in our generation are, like, really hip to, like, you know, the technology. It's like, oh, my God, just use AI for that. And I'm like, wait, people are using AI? Like, I feel like a millennial.
- [44:48]
A
No, I know. It's like the curtain was drawn back, like, when I learned just how many. Well, I. What was I looking at the other day? And I was like, oh, this is AI. This girl I went to high or college with posted an Instagram, and it was like, a heartfelt caption, and I'm like, I hate that I now know that this girl used AI for this because of, like, there's just obvious, obvious things now.
- [45:09]
B
You.
- [45:10]
A
Like, I'm starting to get smart with the AI.
- [45:12]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [45:12]
A
And there's just certain phrases where I'm like, oh, that's 1,000% chat GPT. And it, like, shattered my brain because then I went back and looked at all. I, of course, had to go down a rabbit hole. Looked at, like, all of her captions from, like, the past year. I'm like, like, these are all chat.
- [45:27]
B
Wow.
- [45:28]
A
And I at first thought they were, like, real heartfelt captions.
- [45:32]
B
You thought she was a poet and she didn't even know it. She's over there. Like, let me just.
- [45:36]
A
No, it's really.
- [45:37]
B
How long are these damn captions? It's a picture. Like, I feel like, how long? Or a real. I guess I don't do long captions, though. Really? Do you?
- [45:44]
A
Yeah, it depends on the post. Like, the other day for Jack's birthday. Oh, my God, that was a heart. Do you feel like birthday captions?
- [45:50]
B
There's a lot of pressure.
- [45:51]
A
Well, I was just imagining. I'm like, how many people are going to read this and be like. Like, she could have done better.
- [45:56]
B
I get it. But then if you go too far, too far. Like, you are the reason I breathe. Like, people are like, oh, she's desperate. Like, so I feel like it goes both ways.
- [46:05]
A
Or like, this. You should have told them this in person. Why are you telling us, like, highs and lows. I see all sides. Like, if I. You know, I see all sides.
- [46:14]
B
I see it, too. What are you. You think, not that we're in our engagement error. Bridal error, but for vows, do you want to. Yet.
- [46:22]
C
Yet.
- [46:22]
B
Yes. Yeah, yet for vows. Because you're. You are such, like, a gifted writer, and you really are. Like, I feel like you would never use AI for writing. I feel like it comes from your brain.
- [46:33]
A
It would actually destroy everything that I built, like, within myself. Within myself.
- [46:40]
B
You're people were trying to say that your podcast cover was AI. I was like, Katie would literally never use AI for something like that.
- [46:48]
A
Yeah, I try. See, the thing is, I know I'm getting, like, weird flashbacks from a life I didn't live in the sense that when the Internet came out.
- [46:57]
B
Yeah.
- [46:57]
A
For, like, our parents generation and, like, older people.
- [47:01]
B
Yeah.
- [47:01]
A
They were like, I'm never using the Internet. I'm never getting a computer.
- [47:05]
B
Yeah.
- [47:05]
A
Like, robots taking over the world, the government, like, they're. I'm never gonna. And look at us now. Like, we have computers in our pockets, like, in our phones.
- [47:14]
B
Yeah.
- [47:14]
A
So I know, like, things like this whenever things come out, at first people are afraid, and then it starts to become normal. Not that I like what AI freaks me out a lot. Like, it actually, like, keeps me up at night thinking about how I got a kid.
- [47:26]
B
I don't want to be in Katie's mind. I feel like there's a lot of going on.
- [47:29]
A
I'm really opening up on up on my fourth episode of Gals in the Guy.
- [47:32]
B
Yeah. You're like, I'm finally ready.
- [47:33]
A
I'm finally ready to speak my truth at age 30 that I am not confident and I'm scared of AI and AI is coming.
- [47:40]
B
Right.
- [47:41]
A
No, but like I said, like, the Internet, people were very afraid of the Internet.
- [47:44]
B
Yeah.
- [47:44]
A
And now look at us. Like, we've used it to our advantage and also our detriment.
- [47:49]
B
Yeah.
- [47:49]
A
For us, too. It really has helped our lives a lot to have the Internet.
- [47:52]
B
So.
- [47:53]
A
Yeah, I like to. I'm trying to keep an open mind. Although it. It's pretty much impossible for me to do that with my character, but I have to. We have to remind ourselves.
- [48:02]
B
Yeah.
- [48:02]
A
And it makes me feel a little bit less afraid.
- [48:04]
B
No, that's a good way of doing it. I do feel naive when it comes to, like, AI and even just advanced advancements in technology. Like, I'm like, I am so, like, mind blown every time. But I'm like, no, this makes sense that, like, the world is, like, moving in that direction. But I just, like, refused to, like, admit it to myself. I think that, like, we're gonna have a robot in our house. I mean, we have. Yeah.
- [48:22]
A
Smart House. Smart House is going to be real.
- [48:25]
B
So crazy that that was like. I mean, it wasn't even like, oh, a futuristic movie. It was like a silly movie. Like, it was, like, legit. A silly movie. You're like, lol. Like, the house is smart. Like, and.
- [48:34]
A
And now it's, like, actually real life.
- [48:36]
B
Yeah.
- [48:36]
A
Isn't that insane?
- [48:37]
B
Yeah. I don't. What. Anyways, going back to wedding vows.
- [48:40]
A
Oh, back to wedding vows.
- [48:41]
B
Because you are such a gifted writer. Like, will you read aloud vows, you think on your wedding day or read in private or, like, what will you do? Because I feel like you're such a. Like, writing is your craft.
- [48:50]
A
I've really gone back and forth. I've really had a hard time with this. Like, I. I'd gone to a few weddings and thought to myself, oh, that it was really nicely done. How they did it. They just. They read the, like, typical vows. Like, whatever it even is.
- [49:07]
B
I don't even know.
- [49:07]
A
Like, sickness and in health and whatever.
- [49:09]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [49:10]
A
And then they'll do their vows. Like, their more personal vows. Private. Like, either the morning before they get ready or. Like, there's really beautiful ways people do it. But I've also been to some weddings recently that. Where they did read their own personal vows, and it wasn't like, anything like, a laundry list. It wasn't anything that was like.
- [49:26]
B
Like.
- [49:26]
A
Like, we. You know, they're not trying to prove anything to anyone. Not trying to be funny. I think the worst is when you can tell the couples they're trying to get a laugh out of the audience.
- [49:33]
B
Oh, totally.
- [49:34]
A
Like, no, this is about you and me. It's about us.
- [49:36]
B
They're like, this is my quick 10. Like.
- [49:37]
A
Like, and I don't want to also. Like, I also really don't love it when people. I mean, granted, every couple's different, but, like, when people, like, throw their significant other under the bus in their vows,
- [49:47]
B
they're like, you always leave the dishes.
- [49:48]
A
Like, even I love them. You're absolutely disgusting. Dusting. Like, I'll still marry you and stay with you forever.
- [49:54]
B
Like, I. I get that. Yeah.
- [49:55]
A
I think it's so cringy.
- [49:57]
B
Yeah, that's. That's, like, so private bowel material. Yeah, maybe. How about you?
- [50:01]
A
I see both. I see benefits to both, and I really don't know what I will do. What about you?
- [50:05]
B
Yeah.
- [50:05]
A
What do you think?
- [50:06]
B
Well, like, when I think about, like, Gretchen and Max's, like, I'm like, no one can ever top that. Like, that was the most beautiful thing that, like, I. And they both, like, read from, like, a notebook. Like, they, like, wrote that. No, AI. Like, they wrote that from the heart.
- [50:18]
A
Like, and it was truly, like, none of us were even there. Like, and that's. That's How I think it should be.
- [50:23]
B
Not corny. Not like it was, like, really like, anything to anyone. It wasn't like, you always wake me up with a kiss and, and pancakes. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Not that I'm, like, making fun of anybody that does that. I really, I'm trying not to.
- [50:36]
A
I'm.
- [50:37]
B
I'm bitter and I'm jealous, really. That's my truth. I, I.
- [50:40]
A
We're speaking our truth.
- [50:41]
B
Yeah, we're. Since we're speaking our truths, this is
- [50:43]
A
like a hard truth. Truth's episode.
- [50:45]
B
Look in the mirror.
- [50:49]
A
Literally. Take a long, hard look at yourself.
- [50:51]
B
Yeah, this really is. No, I think I want to do private vows.
- [50:55]
A
Yeah.
- [50:56]
B
Because I want to still exchange those words, but I don't feel that it will be. Like, I don't want to make. Not that I don't want to make people sit through it, but I don't think it's, like, going to be worth sitting there.
- [51:08]
A
Oh, it's your day. I think it absolutely would be worth sitting through, but I know what you mean. Like, I would love to hear your vows today. Yeah.
- [51:14]
B
And then if one is so much better than the other, like, not that I'm patting myself on the back, but I do feel that mine would be, like, probably I would rehearse. It would be well written. And then.
- [51:23]
A
Yeah.
- [51:23]
B
No, he might get up there and, like, he's not a man of many words like that. So I just worry.
- [51:28]
A
And you'd worry about the length. Like, there's. I've seen, you know, discourse about, like, okay, well, if, like, one person's vows, like, are way longer than the other, and, like, they clearly didn't have anyone look at them and consult, then it, like, it just, it gets away from the original comment. Not the original. Like, yes. What's the word? Like, the plot, the core, the reason. The reason for it, which is the fact that these two people love each other. It's like, it gets out of hand. It gets to be like a kind of a contest and.
- [51:54]
B
Yeah.
- [51:55]
A
Or in like a. Ooh, that's a red flag. Like, no, they're at the altar. Like, yeah.
- [51:59]
B
Because, like, as much as we don't want to admit it, and you guys can roast me for this. Like, you know, when people give speeches at weddings, like, the best man than. Whatever. Like, you're subconsciously comparing them, even if you don't want to compare them. But if multiple people give speeches back to back, it's very easy to be like, oh, I like the first one better than the second one.
- [52:17]
A
Or, oh, like, I mean, we're only human. You're gonna compare everything. Like when you, when. When we were in school and there were presentations.
- [52:24]
B
You're so right.
- [52:25]
A
You always, even if you didn't know you were doing it, you were subconsciously comparing everyone's presentation to the one that came before. And like, which one was clearly, it's just, that's just human life. Human. The human way of doing it. And you could acknowledge that, like, it's all beautiful. That all these opinion based. Put these, put the effort in. And you're also going to have, like, biases depending on if you know the person or.
- [52:46]
B
Of course. And I don't mean that in a way of like, let's rank who's the best. But I. We sat through things where it's like, you know, there's multiple speeches and it's like, wow, that person. Or maybe just one person's amazing, you know, and the rest might be great too. But like, you get someone who's like, you know, they speak every day at their job, like, they're gonna do it. Such a fantastic job.
- [53:05]
A
This might be a hot take, but on the topic of that, like the wedding speeches, I've been seeing discourse about, like, people are saying you should memorize your speech. Like, you should not read from your phone. It's like, so much better if you memorize. I disagree. I will. Unless you're like one of those randomly very gifted public speakers who does it for a living. Like, I genuinely get. So it's the same concept of when a waiter comes over and doesn't have a notepad and is just raw, dogging the memory of your order. I'm like, no, you're. You've lost my confidence right away. If you are not holding anything, I. I worry for you and it's gonna impact my listening experience.
- [53:40]
B
I couldn't agree more. Katie. Katie. I couldn't agree more.
- [53:42]
A
Come prepared.
- [53:44]
B
I've heard now people are doing this thing where they're doing open mic. I've heard, like, I was talking to some of my friends. They're like, well, I think. I think we're gonna do like an open mic, like, where anyone can popcorn. I'm like, so you mean people who don't have a prepared speech are just gonna get up there and say a few words?
- [54:00]
A
Okay. You might as well. Like, if you're gonna do that, dedicate at least four hours to the open mic, because that's what's gonna happen.
- [54:07]
B
No, I was think. And it. And I agree, actually, Gretchen and Max's wedding. Their officiant, Gretchen's manager, he didn't have anything prepared, but he memorized everything. His memory must be nuts.
- [54:19]
A
But some people are really good at that, and some people have that skill.
- [54:22]
B
If you can't, though, or even if you're kind of doubting yourself, you better have a fucking printout. And I don't like the reading from the phone shit. I like a printout. Yeah, I'm old school millennial. I like a printout.
- [54:31]
A
And here's. And if we're gonna get really nitty gritty, sturdy paper, we don't need fluttering.
- [54:36]
B
I so agree. In the wind, you know?
- [54:39]
A
Better yet, a podium.
- [54:41]
B
Better yet, I love a podium. I so agree.
- [54:43]
A
I love a podium. I'm very partial to a podium because
- [54:47]
B
sometimes, like, the there, you'll just, like, go around with the mic, and it's like you start walking, but you don't really know where to go, and you're kind of, like, moving around and stuff. I get that, like, giving a speech is kind of awkward, but I guess,
- [54:59]
A
like, do they really have have at these venues? Do they really have podiums? Like, not really.
- [55:02]
B
You could speak, I guess, from your table.
- [55:04]
A
I'm gonna bring in one of those. I'm picturing, like, the stands that I used to have to rehearse when I used to play the violin in the third grade. Like, one of those.
- [55:13]
B
Yes, yes. I know exactly what you mean. Music tray. It was like a.
- [55:17]
A
Yes.
- [55:19]
B
Music stand. Is that what it was called?
- [55:20]
A
I'm gonna set up. I don't know who's. I'm. I'm maybe my sister. I got set up camp in the middle with my music stand, and I
- [55:27]
B
feel like when there is a mic stand, it's like they literally are comics where they're, like, adjusting the stand the whole time. Like.
- [55:32]
A
Yeah.
- [55:33]
B
Like, kind of, like, futzing with it and stuff.
- [55:35]
A
Yeah.
- [55:35]
B
So I. I don't know. I.
- [55:37]
A
But then again, I haven't been asked to do a speech at any of these weddings, so maybe that's. Maybe I'm not being asked because clearly,
- [55:43]
B
I'm like, it is a mirror, this episode. Maybe we have to look in and think about us.
- [55:47]
A
Why have I not.
- [55:50]
B
I'm honestly okay with that. I don't know about you. Like, I never giving a speech. It's kind of a lot of pressure.
- [55:56]
A
It is a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure.
- [55:59]
B
It's an honor.
- [56:00]
A
It is an honor. Luckily, like, most of the time, you do have ample time to prepare. Yeah, I do feel Like, Chat GPT, though, is going to get in the way of these things because I do feel like people are going to start especially the. Maybe it's actually helpful for those who, like, are asked and they're like, I don't even know this person. Or, like, you know what I mean?
- [56:15]
B
Yes, yes.
- [56:15]
A
But in other ways, I think it'll become tempting for people and then very obvious to tell who. Who has used it. Or maybe not obvious, which honestly freaks me out even more.
- [56:24]
B
I think it just makes it more impersonal, like if you need to clean up something or whatever. Like. But I do think that it makes it, like, if you're trying to tell, like, a funny story about you guys from college or something. Like, how is Chat gonna tell that story?
- [56:35]
A
Yeah, Chat can help you, like, help come up with a better metaphor. Or, like, you know, I can see ways it could really help.
- [56:41]
B
Like, little fixes. Yeah.
- [56:43]
A
The same things you would, like, Google before. But, like, Chat will. Will give you maybe better.
- [56:47]
B
But if you have to write. If you have to have Chad write your vows, you might just need to reassess. Like, honestly, I'll be packing in there. Like, I would say we're done here.
- [56:54]
A
You should not get married if you need Chat GPT to write your vows for you.
- [56:58]
B
Yeah, that's. Or maybe just there's a bigger problem. Sickness and in health. Done. Yeah.
- [57:03]
A
No, how about we just scrap the wedding? Back to the basics?
- [57:07]
B
Yeah, yeah, we could go back to the basics. I guess it is just a really short ceremony if you don't write your own vows. Or it could be. I mean, it depends, I guess the religious component that's attached to it. Because some of them, it's like a whole. I've been to some. That we do like a whole mass first. Like, you do like the hour long, like, mass service, and then it goes into the wedding.
- [57:25]
A
Same. Yeah. Like more religious ones.
- [57:27]
B
Yes, absolutely.
- [57:28]
A
Like Catholic. I went to one that was like that.
- [57:30]
B
And then I've been to somewhere, the entire ceremony, three minutes. Like, it is so quick.
- [57:35]
A
Yeah. Which, honestly, I'm kind of.
- [57:38]
C
I kind of like that.
- [57:39]
B
Totally. Totally. I'm like, you look beautiful. Next look, let's see the second dress.
- [57:44]
A
Yeah, no, exactly. Although, I don't know, I feel like,
- [57:48]
B
yeah, there's a happy medium because people do lose.
- [57:50]
A
Because then sometimes I'm like, I barely saw the first dress. Where'd it go?
- [57:53]
B
Like, I know.
- [57:54]
A
So they took pictures. I see. I see both sides. I really do.
- [57:58]
B
I think there's a medium. I think people lose like, people's attention is really short. You know, to listen to a speech that's. Or just a presentation that's over, like 20 minutes, like, you really have to be captivated.
- [58:09]
A
You lose some people.
- [58:11]
B
Yeah, they fall out, they fall off. They start gazing into the. Or. If it's hot outside. Have you ever been in. I've been in, like, scenarios where it's, like, so hot and you're sitting outside and the sun is, like, beating down, and you're just like. They're fighting for your life and they're giving the speeches and you're just like, oh, my God, am I okay?
- [58:27]
A
The elements are not doing it for me right now. Yeah, yeah, no, I've been there. I'm like, like subconsciously thinking of my hair just slowly rising. But you don't have to worry about that with me because I'm having an indoor ceremony. Mark my words.
- [58:40]
B
Thank you for that. I really.
- [58:42]
A
Well, I'm just. I'm.
- [58:43]
B
Oh, you're. You're thinking about the.
- [58:44]
A
No, neutral. Well, yeah, I'm thinking neutrally. I'm. No, honestly, I'm thinking like it's gonna tornado or something.
- [58:51]
B
So we gotta go in.
- [58:52]
A
We gotta do the indoor.
- [58:53]
B
They say it's good luck to rain if it rains on your wedding.
- [58:56]
A
It's hard to untie a wet knot. What is it?
- [58:58]
B
Oh, is that what it is? Yeah.
- [58:59]
A
Hard to untie a wet knot.
- [59:00]
B
Not kind of love that. Wait, that's so. Oh, my God. That's lovely.
- [59:05]
A
Yeah.
- [59:06]
B
Wow. Katie, do you have a panic of the week? Have you been panicked about anything specific?
- [59:09]
A
Brooke texted me earlier and goes, do you have a panic of the week? If not, we can just scrap it. We can just.
- [59:15]
B
Yeah, just forget.
- [59:15]
A
I'm like, brooke, I always have a panic. There's always something going on in here.
- [59:20]
B
I did laugh at that message. It was really, really funny.
- [59:23]
A
I feel like we're similar in that 100.
- [59:25]
B
And any. Any normal instance, like, I could have a weird interaction in the elevator. That could be my panic. Yeah, I could be like that. Was I acting weird? You know?
- [59:32]
A
Yeah.
- [59:33]
B
No, literally. Did I press the button wrong?
- [59:35]
A
No, I. I genuinely, like, had to choose which one I was going to share.
- [59:39]
B
Oh, I'm.
- [59:40]
A
And here's the thing. No, life is good. And I don't want. I. I never want people to think that I'm complaining about my life, but I think I just. I'm just a. I'm an analyzer. I. I analyze sometimes to my detriment.
- [59:50]
B
Yeah.
- [59:51]
A
Everything that happens to me or to others but my panic that came to mind, I was getting my nails done, and because it is winter and it is freezing, and, like, it's been blizzarding every five seconds. Like, I have kind of had this period of, like, I have a cold, and then it goes away, and then it comes back, and, like, you know, I'm actually doing well right now. Knock on wood. I don't think that's wood.
- [60:11]
B
It's tin.
- [60:12]
A
It's tin, so. Oh, no, there's wood to the. To the left of me.
- [60:15]
B
There we go.
- [60:16]
A
Okay, I'm covered. I was at the nail salon.
- [60:18]
B
Okay.
- [60:19]
A
Getting my nails done. These nails, they take a long time. I was getting them done, and, you know, like, when you're in the thick of getting the nails done, and it's like the finishing kind of steps, like, the crucial ones with, like, the gel, and you need to put them in the thing, and it's like you have no use of your hands. Your hands are one's in her hand and one's in the machine. And I was in the thick of that, and my nose started to run. This might be very tmi.
- [60:47]
B
No, but what do you do?
- [60:48]
A
It started to drip.
- [60:49]
B
That's a very valid.
- [60:50]
A
It wasn't even, like, just stuffed up. It was full on dripping, and I had no use of my hands and no tissues. I brought nothing with me. I was so unprepared. I literally only had my phone and my wallet. I had nothing. I was so unprepared.
- [61:06]
B
What do you do? You asked an lady to get you a tissue.
- [61:09]
A
So many things went through my head. I was like, there's options here. Like, I would have to, like, first of all. And she was so in the groove. And my biggest fear is always, like, asking, asking, like, inconveniencing someone. And so I was like, what do I do? Also then, like, okay, what do I ask? What do I do that? If I'm gonna, like, say, okay, I have to, like, blow my nose. I've never been to the bathroom at this nail salon in my life. I don't know where it is. I don't know if it one exists. I don't know.
- [61:35]
B
So there's a lot of variables.
- [61:36]
A
So I was really stressed out, okay? And the solution was very simple. And here's the thing. If I was more of, like, a. A confident person, I would be like, okay, I've had this. This lovely nail woman do my nails every three weeks for the past year. I know her, okay? I know her name. We're besties. I could have very well Asked her. But no. I was like, I need to make this extremely difficult for myself. I somehow made it through the very end. But I was looking, I turned my head, I see a box of tissues.
- [62:07]
B
Wow. You better.
- [62:08]
A
I'm like, okay. So now I have. I see a box of tissues, but my hands are still compromised.
- [62:11]
B
They're locked.
- [62:12]
A
They're compromised. And so I made it till the very end, but I was struggling. I was so worried about gravity. I so worried about gravity.
- [62:21]
B
Your life. You're like, yeah, so.
- [62:24]
A
But I finally. And then I finally blew my nose.
- [62:27]
B
That.
- [62:27]
A
But I was really panicked the whole time. I was like, I don't need one more. One more coat. I literally said, I'm like, no, I'm good. I don't need a third coat.
- [62:35]
B
I'm good. That's so weird. You always get.
- [62:36]
A
I'm like, no, no, no.
- [62:37]
B
I'm having.
- [62:38]
A
I'm having a problem.
- [62:39]
B
So.
- [62:39]
A
But it really took me back. And I think this has to do with some trauma that I experienced as a child. Asking, like, for the bathroom pass. Did you ever. When you were in elementary school, did you have to, like, raise your hand 100%? And through middle and high school, too?
- [62:53]
B
Yeah. And some teachers were like, really? They did not lean in with the bathroom pass.
- [62:58]
A
And you know what? Like, they don't realize how much harm they do with that, because I definitely, at one point in my childhood, was told no. And I took it so personally, like. Like, no, you cannot go to the bathroom.
- [63:10]
B
You're like, I can never go again.
- [63:11]
A
So now I can never ask or inconvenience someone ever again. I still have this problem. Like, sometimes I'll be out and I'm like, I don't know where the bathroom is. And I'm afraid to ask where it is because I don't want them to. I don't want to them to know that I have to go to the bathroom, which, like, what the heck is that? I need to unpack this in therapy.
- [63:26]
B
That is worthy of unpacking. But it's because those kids. No, you know who I would blame there? The ones who took advantage of it. The ones who take the bathroom pass and think that it's a free for all and go walk around for 20 minutes and meet up with their friends. Yeah, whatever. Go to, like, the cafeteria and sit there when some of us just need
- [63:42]
A
to go, need to go. And now we're too nervous to ever ask ever again in our lives forever.
- [63:47]
B
Yeah. But it was weird when the teacher and I know that they were weird about It. Because of those people that took advantage of it. But it's like.
- [63:54]
A
Yeah.
- [63:54]
B
Kind of weird that you're, like, gatekeeping the bathroom. And now that you think about it, it's a little.
- [63:58]
A
Do they still do that today? I'd have to ask my sister. She's a first grade teacher.
- [64:02]
B
I think when they're young, they do that. I mean, don't. Yeah.
- [64:05]
A
I mean, I understand why, like, you need to keep tabs on the kids. Like they, you know.
- [64:09]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [64:10]
A
But. Yeah. And I remember also the. The bathroom that we had in my elementary school. It was like two classrooms, shared bathrooms in the middle. Like, it was like you walked through a door and, like, the other classroom next door shared the same girls and boys.
- [64:22]
B
Yeah.
- [64:23]
A
Bathrooms. And I remember being mortified whenever I, like, knocked on the door and someone was in there.
- [64:28]
B
Yeah.
- [64:28]
A
There's a lot of bathroom stress that I carry with me through my life, and I think. Think that the blowing of the nose is in that vein.
- [64:34]
B
It's like, in that category.
- [64:36]
A
So that was my panic of the week.
- [64:37]
B
Wow. No, that's such a valid panic.
- [64:39]
A
And it's very. I. I'm sorry, tmi.
- [64:41]
B
No, I completely. I sympathize, actually, in way. I feel like I've talked about this before, but I got a nose job 10 years ago. This thing still lives with me because I am numb under my nose. Completely numb right now. Really still numb.
- [64:53]
A
And, like, you touch it, you don't
- [64:55]
B
feel it under here because this is, like, so it was like, cut, and then they, like, you know, lifted it. Sorry. He's under the hood.
- [65:02]
A
You scared? I just jumped. Sorry.
- [65:05]
B
Okay. And then. And they did say they were like, there's a chance that you're numb, and you're numb there forever. And I was like, why does it matter? It's, like, under my, like, you know, it's like, you don't get to be numb anywhere. Like, that's the place I guess I'd want to be numb.
- [65:18]
A
It's not a crucial place to have feeling.
- [65:19]
B
Yeah. However, now my nose will just drip, and I don't even notice. I have to have people be like, bro,
- [65:26]
A
okay, that's a panic. That's my upper hand.
- [65:29]
B
Please let me know. I guess I've never told you that, but I. Yeah, no.
- [65:31]
A
Wow, you're really unburdening yourself.
- [65:33]
B
I really am.
- [65:34]
A
Episode is a lot of unburdening.
- [65:35]
B
And we're both the. The boogeyman now. The boogie woman.
- [65:40]
A
You. I. I just.
- [65:41]
B
Yeah.
- [65:42]
A
This is. This is something I honestly was going to keep to myself. But I'm glad I got to unburden myself today. You did get done with this stress. And now I know where the tissue box is.
- [65:49]
B
Completely. I'll do my. What was yours really quick. Mine wasn't as serious, but, you know, we had this big blizzard this past week. New York City blizzard, you know, first time the schools were closed and whatever. So, like, the schools are closed. So, like, I'm off the work too, I guess. Like, that's how I operated. I don't know why I just chose to do that this week, I guess.
- [66:06]
A
No, I love it. It brings back mems, right?
- [66:08]
B
It kind of felt that way, but I love a co. Like, I love getting cozy and being like, I can't leave.
- [66:14]
A
Oops.
- [66:15]
B
Like, do you like that?
- [66:16]
A
Oh, yeah. It's the same sensation as when plants get canceled.
- [66:18]
B
Yes.
- [66:19]
A
I'm like, oh, bummer.
- [66:21]
B
Rats.
- [66:22]
A
I'm really upset to hear that. Thank God.
- [66:26]
B
Loki. Yeah. But I live in a very tall apartment building, and this was always, like, my fear with living there was. Or just, like, living in a tall building. I remember, like, seeing tall buildings when I first moved to the city, and I was like, I could never live in, like, a really tall building on, like, a really high floor. And then I somehow ended up in, like, one of the tallest. I don't know how that happened. It's funny how life works like that, right? You know?
- [66:47]
A
Well, you walked in, you're like, oh, this is actually really nice.
- [66:48]
B
Yeah. I was like, the view is amazing.
- [66:50]
A
This is actually beautiful.
- [66:52]
B
Yeah, this is exactly.
- [66:54]
A
I stand corrected.
- [66:55]
B
Exactly. Normalize changing your opinion, you know? But I did know that this was. Would always be. The problem is that. Because I'm sure you've heard, like, the rumors about, like, when it gets windy, how some buildings in New York City shake. Have you ever heard of this?
- [67:10]
A
I. I know about that one that. Like the. On Billionaires Row or whatever. That one that's, like, been flawed for years, and it's like the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
- [67:18]
B
Yeah. Yes.
- [67:19]
A
I didn't know, like, every building does. No, no.
- [67:21]
B
Not every building does it. They don't all do it. Mine really doesn't do it. But the wind was so loud and powerful. I also stayed up till 3am that night for literally no reason. I was just, like, once again watching Love is Blind and, like, you know, needle pointing.
- [67:35]
A
Free will.
- [67:36]
B
Sabotage. Yeah, free will. It was a bad use of free will because then it messed up my next day and the next day and the next, like. Yeah, but it's all Good. And it was just like so loud that. And then I started like really freaking myself out about like flying objects. My brain goes to dark places too. I'm like, someone's patio chair is gonna go crashing through the.
- [67:53]
A
This is why we get along. Because, you know, I'd be right there with you.
- [67:58]
B
But I started thinking about it. Sometimes I really freak myself out about being in a high rise. Like, I'll hear like a helicopter. I'm like, they're gonna cross to the window.
- [68:05]
A
They're coming for me.
- [68:06]
B
Yeah. What? Who the thinks that that's so up.
- [68:09]
A
You're trying to protect yourself. We had a last blizzard. Had a huge icicle on our. The back of our apartment. And it was like very dangerous. And I had an. What's it called?
- [68:20]
B
Intrusive thought.
- [68:20]
A
Intrusive thought that it was gonna.
- [68:22]
B
Yeah.
- [68:23]
A
Get someone.
- [68:23]
B
I get that. Yeah. No, and it wasn't like I was like so terrified. But I think that I just like, let my brain go to like dark places. And then it was like really like. It wasn't that the building was shaking. It was. The windows were like.
- [68:34]
A
Yeah.
- [68:35]
B
Going.
- [68:35]
A
Well, the wind was really crazy.
- [68:36]
B
So I got higher up.
- [68:38]
A
60 mile per hour winds.
- [68:40]
B
Wow.
- [68:40]
A
But we made it through.
- [68:41]
B
Yeah. I'm scared of flying objects. I don't know why.
- [68:44]
A
The UFOs. Unidentified flying objects.
- [68:48]
B
Unidentified flying objects. But then also just like loose.
- [68:51]
A
Also identifi.
- [68:52]
B
Identified. Ident. Found objects. Yep. Yep.
- [68:58]
A
Identified objects.
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B
Completely identifiable objects. Just loose articles.
- [69:03]
A
Okay.
- [69:04]
B
You know they say that like if you drop a penny off of like a tall building, like, well, it's like.
- [69:08]
A
I mean, things like that could kill someone in space with zero gravity.
- [69:11]
B
Yeah.
- [69:12]
A
Yeah. It's serious.
- [69:12]
B
No, that's. I. I'm being.
- [69:13]
A
You get a ballpoint pen loose in a space shuttle and there's, you know, it's so. I. It.
- [69:20]
B
So this is literally how my brain thinks. I think. Do you ever. Another thing I have my brain thinks is like with road rage, like, if I piss someone off or if I cut them off, that they're gonna like come after me or try to shoot me. So then I drive. I saw a tick tock about this and it's like. So me driving after I cut someone off because if they shoot. Dude, you're trying to dodge it. I was like, that's literally what I do.
- [69:42]
A
I'm really upset that you told me this dark. I'm really upset that you told me this because now I'm gonna have to do this. Sorry. And I never thought of this before. I Never thought that this new fear unlocked quite literally.
- [69:53]
B
I. I think about things like that. I don't know why, but most of the time they involve, I'll say rogue men because it's like, I'm like, if I, like, cut a woman off in traffic, like, I know I'm fine. Like, you know, she's gonna be fine. Like, but if you cut a man off, like. Like, you never know what they're going to do. Like, they get kind of, like, scary. Lock your doors. Lock.
- [70:10]
A
Lock your doors.
- [70:11]
B
I get scared about locking my doors.
- [70:13]
A
What's that video? Hide your kids. Hide your wife. Lock your doors.
- [70:18]
B
I. I really do. I can. I can bring myself to some dark places. So I'm glad that we're aligned on that.
- [70:23]
A
We're together in dark. In dark places together.
- [70:25]
B
Yeah.
- [70:26]
A
Dark and stormy.
- [70:27]
B
Hey, this was so much fun. I could really app all day and, you know, freak each other out. Just.
- [70:32]
A
No, we. I hope everyone's doing okay after this episode.
- [70:36]
B
They're, like, driving. They're like.
- [70:37]
A
They're like. I hope that we. Here's the thing. If we talk about it, it becomes less scary and it becomes. It's comforting to. To be real.
- [70:46]
B
To be real.
- [70:47]
A
Yeah.
- [70:48]
B
Katie. Where can everybody find you? Shout out your podcast again. We'll link them all in the podcast description and on Instagram and everything, but, you know, just.
- [70:57]
A
You can just look me up. Katie Bellotti, spelled with a Y. And then two podcasts, match Made in Manhattan, which is my dating Everything about New York City Life podcast with my two friends. And then we have Mystery for Two podcast, which is the true crime mystery storytelling podcast I have with my boyfriend Jack. And I'm just. Anywhere else. YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram, anywhere you can find all of the things.
- [71:21]
B
We'll look you up. You ever get, like, old, old people, I gotta look you up. Look me up in the phone book. Hey, who knows? Do they.
- [71:29]
A
Do they still have phone books? I feel like, no.
- [71:31]
B
I don't know. That's, like, so millennial. Like, it's beyond millennial dangerous that you
- [71:35]
A
could just find someone's phone number in the phone book.
- [71:36]
B
Yeah, it is. Really.
- [71:37]
A
Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done talking about scary situations. Yeah.
- [71:41]
B
Not to freak you out, but look outside your window. There might be a flying object.
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A
You may know it, you may not know it.
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B
Might be. You never saw a comment. Love you guys.
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A
Literally. Bye. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.