Game Scoop! 836: No Fate of the Old Republic

Summary

Game Scoop! 836: No Fate of the Old Republic

Podcast: IGN Game Scoop!
Date: December 14, 2025
Host: Damon Hatfield
Guests: Nick Limone, Sam Claiborne, Mark Medina

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Episode Overview

This episode is a celebration of the biggest video game news following the Game Awards. The IGN crew dives into major announcements—including surprise Star Wars games, a retro-inspired Terminator title, new Tomb Raider projects, and more—while also reminiscing about classic games and movies. As always, the team’s lively banter, expert knowledge, and nostalgia-driven tangents make for an engaging and comprehensive gaming round-up.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Game Awards Recap & Biggest Announcements

[03:13–15:00]

Surprise Star Wars Games

• Star Wars: Fate of the Old Republic
  • Directed by Casey Hudson (original KOTOR, Mass Effect trilogy).
  • New studio: Archonauts, founded July 2025.
  • Unclear publisher, but license directly from Lucasfilm Games.
  • "I also think this is just not a game yet." – Mark Medina [06:32]
  • Team speculates it’s very early, only a trailer so far; expectations are high due to Casey Hudson’s track record.
  • Discussion on how the Old Republic era and video games are the only "universally liked" Star Wars things for many fans.
• Star Wars: Galactic Racers
  • Developed by FUSE, former Criterion devs, published by EA.
  • Pod-racing style gameplay, coming in 2026.
  • Nostalgic references to N64/arcade Pod Racer and the character Sebulba.

On the State of Star Wars Gaming

• The franchise is "playing it safe" with nostalgia-driven content: Old Republic, racing games, re-releases of classic movies.
• Speculation about the incoherence in game development between publishers (EA, Lucasfilm Games, etc.).

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2. Retro & Remake Fever

[15:59–21:30]

Tomb Raider Revival

• Two new games: a remake of the original (Legacy of Atlantis, due 2026) and “Catalyst,” a new 2027 title.
• Both developed by Crystal Dynamics (recent layoffs noted).
• Remake gets praise for balancing classic and modern Lara character models, "bullet time" mechanics; some confusion over publisher (Amazon Game Studios vs. Embracer).
• Quote: "She can do a Max Payne dive backwards while shooting two handguns." – Nick Limone [16:25]

Jaws NES Re-release

• Limited Run Games is reviving the "infamous" NES game with modern features like save states, trophies, rewinding, and a newly expanded mode referencing all four Jaws films.
• Sam and Damon recount their confusing, but fond, childhood memories of the original.
• Quote: "It's almost impenetrable. It's hard to figure out exactly what you're supposed to do." – Damon [58:32]

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3. More Major Game Awards Reveals

[21:25–51:20]

Resident Evil Requiem

• Dual protagonist split: half Grace Ashcroft (RE2 remake-style), half Leon (RE4-inspired).
• Reveal of Leon’s new action elements (chainsaw fights, more melee).
• Demo likely coming pre-release.
• Noted that Capcom continues to support and experiment with their franchises.

Control: Resonance

• Mixed reactions: Some (Nick, Mark) love the weird, action-oriented direction; Sam unimpressed, fearing it’s too detached from what made Control special.
• "If you remove the control from it, it looks freaking awesome. Look at that." – Mark Medina [23:05]
• Remedy’s approach to evolving their games noted as bold, though not always successful (Crossfire X, FBC Firebreak as recent stumbles).

Other Highlights

• Mega Man Returns: New game revealed (style reminiscent of Mega Man 7/8), debate over preferred presentation.
• Pragmata: Demo impressions—capabilities reminiscent of Dead Space; Nick jokingly clings to theory it’s a secret Mega Man game.
• Bradley the Badger: 3D platformer inspired by Banjo-Kazooie/Conker from industry veterans; promises parody worlds and real-time manipulation mechanics.
• Forest 3: New entry in survival horror series, now with a space setting; discussed as “tree-punching” but not cozy genre.

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4. Divinity: Legends Reveal by Larian

[46:07–52:09]

• Larian follows up Baldur’s Gate 3 with a new, original Divinity game—trailer deemed "the grossest" of the show.
• Expectations sky-high; anticipated to be "Larian’s biggest ever."
• Panel speculates on creative freedom now that Larian solely owns the Riverland IP.
• "I don't think Larian can make a game that's not full of player freedom anymore." – Mark Medina [50:25]

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5. Terminator 2D: No Fate (Retro Release)

[54:25–58:00]

• Daemon played 30 mins: "It’s like a good T2 run-and-gun, Contra-style game as if it launched in 1991."
• Noted for alternate story paths and short one-sitting finish (multiple playthroughs for all content).
• Memorable references: call-backs to Double Dragon, Robocop arcade, and in-jokes (“No problemo” mode, “Hasta la vista” mode, etc.).

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6. Nostalgia Sidebars: Movies & More

[61:12–67:24]

• Jaws as a cultural touchstone: Daemon, Mark, and Sam trade stories about the movies, theme park rides, and why Jaws is "the best Christmas movie ever made." Sam pitches: "It's one of the best pieces of film ever committed to theaters."
• Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair: Daemon, Nick, and Sam share recent experiences seeing the film in a marathon cut—a "religious experience" per Daemon. Full Tarantino fanboy moments.

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7. Trivia & Wrap-Up:

[72:56–83:44]

Video Game 20 Questions

• Game: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
  • Hints involved Wii, motion controls, Wolf Link, and non-Mario Mushroom Kingdom setting.
  • "You can [play as a wolf]." – Damon [77:27]
  • Group discusses the game’s merits and drawbacks, especially how its pacing compares to other Zelda entries.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Star Wars Surprises:
  "So that exists. But the two things that for some reason everybody seems to like are things that are based around the Old Republic and video games and pod racing. That's it. Those are the only two things that people think are good now in Star Wars." – Sam Claiborne [06:52]

• On Capcom’s Consistency:
  "It's amazing that Capcom... they have Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Street Fighter... and have time to experiment with these little things. It just feels so old school." – Sam [34:31]

• On Jaws NES Nostalgia:
  "It’s almost impenetrable. It’s like hard to figure out exactly what you’re supposed to do." – Damon [58:32]

• On Tomb Raider Remake:
  "She can do a Max Payne dive backwards while shooting two handguns." – Nick Limone [16:25]

• On Divinity’s Grossest Trailer:
  "There’s no content warning or anything. I was so excited for that man to explode into a blood monster just to get his pain over with!" – Sam [46:23]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:13] – Game Awards’ big news (Star Wars, world premieres)
• [06:52] – Old Republic & Star Wars Racing discussion
• [14:12] – Resident Evil: Requiem reveal
• [15:59] – New & Remake Tomb Raider games
• [21:25] – Control: Resonance trailer debate
• [28:30] – Mega Man new game, Pragmata
• [36:07] – Capcom praised for versatility
• [46:07] – Divinity: Legends—grossest trailer of the show
• [54:25] – Terminator 2D: No Fate review
• [58:09] – Jaws NES revival & memories
• [61:12] – Jaws & movie side discussion
• [64:03] – Kill Bill, the Whole Bloody Affair
• [72:56] – Video Game 20 Questions (Twilight Princess)

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is fast-paced, fun, and sharply knowledgeable. The crew bounces between hype for new releases, deep-cut retro references, and genuine, nerdy laughter. Their signature mix of sarcasm, nostalgia, and critical insight remains intact throughout, with a focus on celebrating modern games while honoring those from the past.

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For New Listeners

If you’re unfamiliar with the show, expect a healthy blend of expert commentary on game news, frank—but always entertaining—opinions, and quirky bits of gaming and pop culture lore. This episode in particular blends 2025’s hottest announcements with lots of love for the unexpected and the classic alike.

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Final Note

Happy Jaws Season!
As the IGN crew joked, it may be the holidays, but it's always time for a little Jaws, a little Zelda, and a lot of enthusiasm for what’s next in gaming.

Transcript

[Damon Hatfield]

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[Nick Limone]

I'm back, baby.

[Damon Hatfield]

Sam Claiborne is here.

[Sam Claiborne]

Hey, Happy Game Awards.

[Damon Hatfield]

And Mark Medina is here.

[Mark Medina]

I'm here, Demon.

[Damon Hatfield]

Lots to talk about this week. Obviously the big news of the week is that the NES Jaws game is coming back. Yeah, Jaws for the NES is being brought back, so we gotta talk about that.

[Sam Claiborne]

To the NES.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's also being brought back to the NES. You can also play it on PS5.

[Sam Claiborne]

Which is so hard, it's such a hard cartridge to find that they had to bring it back to the nes.

[Damon Hatfield]

And then there's a new retro game out now, Terminator 2D. No, fate is out now. And I played about 30 minutes of that last night, which apparently is about. I've played about half the game already.

[Nick Limone]

Really? Really?

[Mark Medina]

You're almost at the end.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's, it's, it's, it's shorter than the length of watching the movie to apparently.

[Sam Claiborne]

But is that because it's, it's meant to have multiple playthroughs because of the ultimate paths?

[Damon Hatfield]

Possibly.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, I, look, I looked it up today and they're like, it's two hours long, but it's actually ten hours long. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Okay.

[Mark Medina]

All right.

[Damon Hatfield]

But first, yes, the game awards were last night, which is why we're recording this on Friday and why you're probably getting a Saturday scoop right now. Man. So much to talk about. There are lots of world premieres, but there are a few surprises. In fact, there were two Star wars games that I don't think anyone saw coming. And that's nice to actually get a genuine surprise.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. It's weird to not know what Casey Hudson's been working on and not think about it in a while. And then it's like he's. Oh, he's working on a Bioware like Kotor based Star Wars. No big deal.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. Fotor.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

What is this, seven or 10 years out, you think?

[Damon Hatfield]

That's the thing. So we're talking about Star Wars, Fate of the Old Republic and this trailer that we're seeing here. You know, it starts out it's sci fi, but who knows what it is? Is it Exodus, that game from the former bioware devs? I don't know. But then it starts. I started, you know, when the character walks out of the ship and they're wearing a cape. I'm like, well, that's pretty Star Wars Y. And then they have a very K2 so looking droid. So then I was like, oh, it's Eclipse. Star Wars Eclipse.

[Mark Medina]

When. When they're showing that puddle, it's so hard because it's like only when I watch the trailers with like headphones you hear the Star wars music. I just didn't catch it watching it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, well, I, Yeah, I thought it was Eclipse until I saw the cape and then I know that. But. But to. It also just looks like a, you know, I can't really say contemporary, but it looks like the Death Star era. Star wars more than Old Republic for a little while. But then you start noticing there's like, you know, Old Republic features, like everything's brass, which is always a giveaway.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Bronze and brass.

[Damon Hatfield]

So, yeah, it's a new game. Casey Hudson, who directed Knights of the Old Republic back in the day, and then there was lead on the Mass Effects trilogy, but I think he didn't. He left bioware before three was released. Yeah, I think that sounds about right.

[Sam Claiborne]

He's like, listen, I didn't make those endings.

[Damon Hatfield]

Came back and did Anthem. Yes.

[Mark Medina]

And Andromeda.

[Damon Hatfield]

He did Andromeda.

[Sam Claiborne]

I don't like this game anymore. Thanks, Damon.

[Mark Medina]

Like, because look, here's the thing. He's got a lot of wins, but recently, you know, he's got a lot of losses.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's just been a decade and change since.

[Sam Claiborne]

But he's not even recently. He's due for.

[Nick Limone]

He's due for a win though. He's due for a win.

[Mark Medina]

The hope is, is not being under the EA umbrella. Will. Will help him out there.

[Sam Claiborne]

Okay. What did EA ever do to you? They're a struggling indie developer these days.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, right. That's my bad. That's my bad. Go buy an EA game.

[Damon Hatfield]

I do think that's interesting that it's not EA or any. It's just ar. Archonauts I think is the name of the. Of the studio and it was just founded this year in July, so it's only a few months old. So. Yeah, Sam is right.

[Sam Claiborne]

Lucasfilm Games, right.

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh, so it's.

[Sam Claiborne]

So they are asserting that they are the owners of the Republic and can do whatever they want with Republic based RPGs, which I think is awesome.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes. I just wonder like, who's publishing this? Like, I, I think it also seems like Lucasfilm has so much faith in the project that they're just. They. Well, they just gave him the License on a new studio without a publisher.

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, maybe at the. I don't know if you notice this at the end of the trailer, but there, there, there's an elbow that's just nudging bioware over and over again at the end of it. Okay. They'll pick it up.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay. Yeah, maybe.

[Mark Medina]

I also think this is just not a game yet.

[Damon Hatfield]

Like not in like July. All they've done is make this little trailer that's.

[Mark Medina]

They made just that right there.

[Nick Limone]

It's probably more of a game they're.

[Mark Medina]

Shopping it out than the Knights of.

[Nick Limone]

The Old Republic remake ever was though. Like they're probably operating at the same level at this point.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

So yeah, I, and I know we'll talk about the other Star wars game in a second, but you know, Star wars has come. It's. It's in a really weird place right now where a lot of people don't like Star wars and there's all these reasons from every side of the nerd spectrum which, which is fine. So that exists. But the two things that for some reason everybody seems to like are things that are based around the old Republic and video games and pod racing. That's it. Those are the only two things that people think are good now in Star Wars. So here we got them both. I know it's not pod racing, it's just some other racing.

[Nick Limone]

Galactic racing.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Show a pod racer. I can't remember. I think there was, there's, there was two engines attached to a car somewhere.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. So now we're talking about Star Wars. What? Galactic Racers is the name of it and this game is coming next year, so that's nice. And this is, this is an EA game and it's coming from Fuse, which is former Criterion devs. So like that also. This sounds great.

[Sam Claiborne]

Good, good. This is good.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, it all makes sense. It all makes sense. It's. It's baffling that it's taken this long for us to get a, you know, a criterion Star wars pod racing game. But thankfully they've done it.

[Mark Medina]

Well, is there gonna be a crash mode?

[Nick Limone]

I hope so.

[Mark Medina]

That's what we need, right?

[Sam Claiborne]

No, that would be so good. That would be so good. But no, there won't be.

[Mark Medina]

It's too good of an idea.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. So you know, Star wars spinoffs, they used to be a dime a dozen and you know, we used to get kind of genre based Star wars games. And because they perfected the Star wars based fighting game Masters of Taras Kasi, we were long overdue for perfecting the racing game. So here we are. Yeah, there's a lot to live up to.

[Nick Limone]

This looks really cool. And then my boy Sebulba's back.

[Damon Hatfield]

Sebulba's back.

[Nick Limone]

He's back and he's wiser and hopefully he's playing it straight now.

[Sam Claiborne]

There's your connection to pod racing then.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, exactly.

[Damon Hatfield]

There he is, Jessica.

[Mark Medina]

Looking older.

[Sam Claiborne]

Or is that just some other alien?

[Nick Limone]

And so one thing that's interesting. Secret mode is what? Secret mode. What?

[Sam Claiborne]

What.

[Nick Limone]

What have they done? I. That name stands out to me because.

[Sam Claiborne]

Nick, if there's one person that could just answer things off the top of their head about what companies are going to tell us.

[Nick Limone]

No, my.

[Sam Claiborne]

My brain stall for time.

[Nick Limone]

My synapses are misfiring from last night. I was like. I put. I put too. I myself too much during the game awards.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm just trying to look it up. Yeah, yeah. Everything is publisher. A storied life. Tabitha.

[Nick Limone]

Okay.

[Damon Hatfield]

Nutmeg. Yeah. Still wakes the deep.

[Mark Medina]

I know there was like.

[Nick Limone]

Still wakes the secret level. Yeah. Secret level is like the animated thing, but still wakes the deep.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Limone]

That's a game I played. Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

What?

[Damon Hatfield]

Star Wars Pod Racer. The game was like a 2000ish right around there.

[Sam Claiborne]

Amazing arcade game.

[Damon Hatfield]

I mean, there was a home version of it too, right?

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just had a build in the arcades.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, it had like a whole custom setup, right?

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is like just really neat. When you see them now, they're like always like sun beaten and cracked from being in the corner of a Mall in 1999. It's so awesome.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. So, yeah. Galactic racers. Sounds. Sounds great.

[Nick Limone]

Is Star wars due for a win?

[Damon Hatfield]

Well, they had a huge win this year with andor season two.

[Sam Claiborne]

Fair, fair. Well, I mean, the win is that we're getting the original trilogy or at least the first movie, right?

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

In 2027.

[Damon Hatfield]

The undoctored.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. Which is like something that George Lucas just swore up and down. It doesn't exist long. It doesn't exist and it doesn't exist.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And then they're like, nobody likes our new Star wars movies. What are we gonna do? Like, fine, just put out the old. Asking for 20.

[Mark Medina]

Put out the old ones again.

[Nick Limone]

What is this, like the fourth or fifth time they re released them in theaters? I know this is a new movie, quote unquote, but like, this is like the fourth or fifth round.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's the first time it's been released unedited since.

[Nick Limone]

Right.

[Damon Hatfield]

70.

[Sam Claiborne]

They did an unedited release. Maybe those were even starting to be touched up before the special editions in like, 89. I think there was like a. A trilogy theater run for the first time where it came back to theaters. And they've done the back to theaters thing. I just hope it gets, like, really good film print, which I don't think is possible. I don't think that's going to happen, but that'd be cool. We could talk about it later, but, like, the, the treatment that Putin Tarantino's movies are getting when they go to the theaters is like they got like a 70 millimeter or even crazier. Right. Which is like, super cool. And I hope that that's what happens. But my overall point is that, like, that and then these two things are like, totally within the. We accept the Star wars still. It's like the playing it safe and Baby Yoda, right?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's like Star wars is playing. It's so safe. And this is just. I know it's a coincidence. I don't think this is all planned, but, like, if I had to, like, you know, shuffle the deck and be like, what could Star wars put out that gets people back into Star Wars? It's like, this is it. This is the plan.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

Basically a new old, new old Republic, a racing game, the. A new hope in theater.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. Where is Eclipse?

[Nick Limone]

Where's my boy Cal Kestis? What's going on? Give me a third Jedi colon.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, yeah, I think they are making.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, they're making it. They're working on that one. Okay. Leon is in Resident Evil.

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[Nick Limone]

The Worst Secret.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And it's like. Oh, like that's. That's just like this, the Lucas thing. It's like they're just. They just acted. They actually denied it, which is just always funny. Nintendo is always doing this, too.

[Nick Limone]

No, no, they're absolutely not doing that.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's crazy. You're crazy.

[Damon Hatfield]

You're crazy.

[Mark Medina]

They just gas. They just gaslight you.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's what happened this week. That was the. That we followed the news all week, and they're like, Capcom was like, no, there's no Leon.

[Mark Medina]

I just want to know where he got that sick car. It's been like 30 years.

[Damon Hatfield]

Well, it's funny, their press release says they've got a. A deal with Porsche for the game. So it's. They've got like, the license and of.

[Nick Limone]

Course I love it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, I was thinking it's like Spy Hunter, where the Jet Ski just Turns into that car.

[Damon Hatfield]

I mean, Leon's portions are supposed to be the action portions of the game, so maybe.

[Mark Medina]

Hell, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

I'm so excited.

[Mark Medina]

Becomes like James Bond. Yeah, like rockets on it.

[Sam Claiborne]

That is the best news, that there's a Leon. There's A Resident Evil 4 Half of this game. How cool is that?

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, that's quite literally what the director said is the game is split into two parts. Grace Ashcroft's parts are Resident Evil 2 remake, and then Leon's parts are RE4 remake, which I'm like, the two best Resident Evil remakes. Like, incredible. I can't wait.

[Sam Claiborne]

Just throw in pod racing and everybody.

[Nick Limone]

That's what he does. At the end of the game, Leon gets into a pod race.

[Mark Medina]

I just. I like the structure because that's Resident Evil code. Veronica structure is. It starts with Claire and then halfway through the game you're playing as Chris and it's great. I love it. I'm super into it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Isn't that metal gear solid 2 structure where you play for a snake for like 10 minutes and then it changes up to that?

[Mark Medina]

I have no.

[Sam Claiborne]

I've never played that game. I just know. I know. I heard my desk neighbor at IGN complain about it for three years when I first started working.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, it's like two hours compared to ten.

[Sam Claiborne]

Okay.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. I'm excited for Resident Evil Requiem February 27th, and they said they're going to have a big, like, presentation focused on it in early in the year. So, you know.

[Nick Limone]

Did they say something about a demo too? Because I feel like they always put out a demo for these games like a month before it comes out.

[Damon Hatfield]

I don't know. I'm not sure. But Sam, did you catch that the deluxe edition comes with an RE4 outfit for Leon.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, that's great. That's great.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's great though.

[Nick Limone]

Now he has two iconic jackets because this black leather jacket he's wearing looks incredible.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, well, I mean, the police uniform is always funny too. I think that's usually an unlockable, so that's always fun.

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh.

[Nick Limone]

One thing that stood out to me about Leon's ports here, though, is just it looks like he has more. Even more interesting, like, close quarters combat assassinations. He has like, oh, he's got the chainsaw, the pistol under.

[Mark Medina]

Who gave him that chainsaw?

[Nick Limone]

And then he gets the chainsaw people in half now instead of getting chainsawed in half. I love it.

[Sam Claiborne]

I know we're getting a little bit used to this and it's not really something that people notice anymore. But, you know, the bad guy's name in this are Elpis, which is, like, really strange. But then, you know, immediately they go into the stuff that I completely accept, like the bad company's name is Umbrella and the city's name is Raccoon City. It's like.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Even after all these years, they can't just do a check on. Does this sound stupid? If it's going to be a fake American thing, like. Like, it's a quick check. You could do a quick check on this.

[Mark Medina]

We're just numb to it. Raccoon City.

[Sam Claiborne]

Raccoon City.

[Nick Limone]

I do want to know what the over.

[Mark Medina]

What a silly name for a city.

[Nick Limone]

What the over under is on Leon's unnecessary backflips throughout the game. Like, do we think it's like two, three? Like, how many times is he going to do an unnecessary backflip?

[Mark Medina]

Well, he's the one with the chainsaw this time. He only backflips away from chainsaws, so.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, that was cool.

[Mark Medina]

I don't know.

[Damon Hatfield]

Well, speaking of unnecessary backflips, not only did we get two Star wars games, we're getting two Tomb Raider games, including a remake of the first one, which is just gonna be full of unnecessary backflips.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, Slow mo ones too, right?

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

I think even the dinosaur back flipped in that trailer.

[Damon Hatfield]

That's cool.

[Sam Claiborne]

This. So the new one looks good or whatever, but the remake looks incredible.

[Damon Hatfield]

I know. I'm so stoked for it.

[Nick Limone]

She can do a max pain dive backwards while shooting two handguns.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, it's fantastic. Laura Payne. Yeah, it looks great. Looks good. I think I'm more excited for the remake than the new game. The new game didn't seem to have much identity yet, so I think we need to see more there.

[Damon Hatfield]

So first is the remake this coming next year. What is it? The Legacy of Atlantis, remaking the first one. And even in this glimpse, there's just so many iconic moments and moves that you see. Like the backflip, the swan dive that she does when she's swimming in the water and the camera angle behind her. I just remember, there it is. All this stuff is.

[Mark Medina]

What the heck?

[Damon Hatfield]

It's just great. Locked into my memory. It's great. I like the new, like the model for Lara Croft. It seems like they're splitting the difference between classic and the 2013 reboot trilogy. She looks good.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I like that too. I think the young model looks great. And then the dinosaurs look. So this is what I was gonna ask about. So there's bullet Time there.

[Nick Limone]

It looks like.

[Mark Medina]

It looks like it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. So wait, but that. I do in my mind think of Tomb Raider having that. But Tomb Raider came out what, two years before the Matrix.

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh, yeah. Maybe three years before the Matrix. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

So how it's not in the original game.

[Sam Claiborne]

What's imitating what? Okay.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's not sure though.

[Sam Claiborne]

I don't, can't you just picture Lara doing that? But maybe it's in like Tomb Raider 4.

[Nick Limone]

I think that's just the, the physics of the game. You just perceived it as being in slow motion. Because the PlayStation one.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Could hardly handle its graphical prowess.

[Mark Medina]

It does, it does look like Max Payne though.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. Which was definitely post Matrix, right?

[Nick Limone]

Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, that was absolutely inspired by a reference to Matrix.

[Sam Claiborne]

Right. So.

[Nick Limone]

What'S incredible, it's all Unreal Engine 5, I believe. And one thing that stood out to me about, I think it was Catalyst in the trailer that they show for that, it looks like the original Unreal Engine 5 demo of that, like, you know, avatar kind of.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

Going through the mountains and like the sun, desert thing. I was like, oh, wow, they made it again.

[Mark Medina]

We never got.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, they made it a game.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, that's true. Yep. Yeah. So the remake is next year. Catalyst is 2027. And I agree with what Mark was saying that like it's, I, I'm, I'm happy there's a new. You're pushing Tomb Raider forward. New Tomb Raider game. This style of game is totally up my alley. But yeah, I'm not, I'm not really seeing like what the hook is beyond, you know, just another Tomb Raider Lara crop adventure.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Limone]

I, you know, and it is interesting, you know, we have a very high fidelity remake of the original Tomb Raider game here. And I'm just thinking like you were suspecting the Prince of Persia Sands of Time remake was going to get shown during the game awards. So it's just, I don't know, interesting timing and I guess weird parallels that my brain starts to draw. I was like, oh, I Wonder if this UBI's like, all right, let's pause the breaks a bit. Let's go back after seeing the Tomb Raider thing because this is just the kind of momentum physics based puzzle solving that you would kind of expect from something like a Prince of Persia.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

So who is making these two games?

[Mark Medina]

Crystal.

[Damon Hatfield]

The first one, it's Crystal Dynamics along with the support studio that I can't think of their name, but this one's.

[Sam Claiborne]

So that's okay.

[Mark Medina]

They're with Amazon Game Studios.

[Sam Claiborne]

And Amazon's publishing both.

[Nick Limone]

Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

So, yeah, I need clarification on that. Amazon owns Crystal Dynamics now, not Embracer.

[Nick Limone]

I see. That's where I'm fuzzy.

[Mark Medina]

I can't remember if Amazon's publishing the second one or not. Like, the actual new game. I mean, I know they're publishing the remake.

[Nick Limone]

Maybe Embrace sold off Crystal Dynamics.

[Sam Claiborne]

I just don't remember the other studio. It was called Flying Wild Hog.

[Damon Hatfield]

Cool.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's With.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, that's with. Also sounds like something a Japanese developer would think an American company would be going.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, I don't think you can say that.

[Mark Medina]

They have over there.

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Right.

[Sam Claiborne]

Flying Wild Hogs based out of Skunk Town, usa.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay, well, there's no way to know who owns Crystal Dynamics, but, Sam, you know, the last new game that they shipped was Marvel's Avengers in 2020.

[Mark Medina]

And then they worked on Perfect Dark.

[Damon Hatfield]

Dark.

[Mark Medina]

Whoops.

[Damon Hatfield]

They worked on Perfect Dark. They've had a bunch of layoffs. And so, yeah, talk about Star wars could use a win. Crystal Dynamics could also use a win.

[Nick Limone]

Yes.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think it's cool that they were able to split their time between these two. Almost certainly will come out games, and one of them is definitely coming out because it's coming out next year. I mean, so that was all happening during all those other troubled times. It's kind of crazy to think about that.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. Or. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Also, this is just a silly business thing, but can you imagine Square Enix looking at that Tomb Raider 30th anniversary remake on Unreal and being like, we don't want this anymore.

[Nick Limone]

It just looks great.

[Damon Hatfield]

It looks great. Famously, Square Enix was always disappointed with how Tomb Raider performed. Even though it's millions of copies, it's Square Enix.

[Sam Claiborne]

Oh.

[Damon Hatfield]

It failed to meet our sales expectations.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah. No. Marvel's Avengers.

[Sam Claiborne]

But now Final Fantasy is failing to meet their expectations all the time.

[Mark Medina]

You know, and it's selling well, too.

[Sam Claiborne]

I mean, I'll buy it if they're selling.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. What are you buying?

[Sam Claiborne]

We're going back to Sprites.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay, moving on. What do we think of Control Resonance?

[Mark Medina]

Hell, yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Good.

[Damon Hatfield]

The good kind of weird.

[Nick Limone]

Yes, Good.

[Damon Hatfield]

Hell, yeah. And a quiet nod from Sam.

[Sam Claiborne]

I think. I don't. I don't. I think it looks terrible.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay.

[Sam Claiborne]

Mark, why don't you explain why I think it looks terrible? Because I already explained it to you.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, I don't remember. Action game.

[Sam Claiborne]

Because. Because it's a guy.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

It is nothing. It has. No. Unless you're like, you know, I processing it As a Control fan is one thing. Just showing this trailer to somebody who knows what Control is and is thinking about playing a sequel that doesn't even have anything to do with Control. It's going. It's like an action game with an axe or a hammer or whatever.

[Mark Medina]

And I think a hammer that's using the elements of the old house. There's hiss right there. That's hiss from the. From the Control. Yeah. I think the thing we gotta all remember is every Remedy game is wildly different than the last one. Right.

[Sam Claiborne]

Which is good.

[Mark Medina]

Alan Wake 1 and 2 couldn't be more different games.

[Sam Claiborne]

But Mark, I would argue that Alan Wake 2 is very similar to Control. And I think they settled on.

[Mark Medina]

I would argue against that because they.

[Sam Claiborne]

Both are based on this fundamental, like X Files like universe which is about conspiracy and horror and.

[Mark Medina]

Well, yeah, they're in the same universe.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's the problem with this is that it doesn't look like that to me. It looks like a zombie action game with a guy fighting with the axe. That's what I'm getting at here. Like, yes, the weird is going to be there. And I see that all here. But what they showed, I'm like, this doesn't look like what I liked about Control and Alan Wake.

[Mark Medina]

Was it Alan Wake narrating the trailer? Like it almost sounded like it and I couldn't tell. Yeah, I. I think it's a wait and see. But I. I mean from. From what I'm looking at here. Remove the control from it. It looks freaking awesome. Look at that. That's so cool.

[Nick Limone]

I think this looks sick. Yeah, this is.

[Mark Medina]

Man, I think it looks great.

[Nick Limone]

Day one purchase. I'm all in. And I'm very curious. You know, this is just its debut trailer. Are going to pull a re. Requiem here if we are going to get a split narrative because it looks like. I mean it looks like our. His name is Dylan. I kept calling him Prisoner 6, but Dylan is Jesse's brother and he. It looks like he's working with the board from the Bureau of Control to kind of fix whatever happened inside the oldest house. And I'm curious where our girl Jesse's at given that she is now the director of the Bureau of Control. So very, very interesting. And again we. We did see Remedy experiment with a dual protagonist setup in Alan Wake 2. And I thought it was very cool.

[Sam Claiborne]

So earlier. Good. Well, I said earlier that that Remedy has not had a. Had a. A miss and. And so I don't think I'm worried about this in any way. But then Mark contradicted me and said they've had lots of misses. So what Mrs. Did they have?

[Mark Medina]

I had a couple. They worked on the Crossfire X single player which is famously like a 2 out of 10. And then this year they made FBC firebreaks by most. Couldn't you remember by most accounts of failure.

[Sam Claiborne]

So there's your Casey Hudson made anthem moment for Control. Everybody, you're welcome. But to be welcome to Game Scoop where we ruin everything.

[Nick Limone]

To be fair though, FCV Firebreak wasn't like it's set in the Control universe, but it's a different director different. It has different.

[Mark Medina]

Nothing to do. It's not and it's not.

[Nick Limone]

And not to speak ill of them, I think that they had a very, A very different goal with what they were trying to do with Firebreak, but just not quite what I think a lot of Remedy folks were looking for.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, I. What I was gonna say originally was like with Control, if you guys don't remember, it was the E3 where they had the. It was PlayStation's E3 conference where they had. It was like when Ghost of Tsushima was announced and a couple other things and they like kept moving settings and like people. Something like that. Yeah. And then in between of them like moving audience members to different things, they had these like burst of trailers and Control was just kind of like buried in there. And then we ended up giving it our game of the year. And so it's one of those things where it's like. I don't know if it's Remedy is just not as. As like has as much faith and control as. As I feel like they should but like I don't know. I. I believe in them. This game looks awesome. I'm into it.

[Nick Limone]

I think they're all in on Control and out. I think they are all in on the Remedy Verse as they've kind. I think it's just up to their, you know, whoever's marketing them right. Whether if they're partnered with Xbox or PlayStation of how do we market something that's kind of weird looking. I don't know but I think they've already kind of proven themselves.

[Mark Medina]

They also famously had a lot of issues like even breaking even when it came to Alan Wake to no matter how well it was, it was, you know, sold and all that stuff. So it's like a marketed and reviewed. So I don't know. I don't know where they're at with this, but I'm. I'm into it.

[Sam Claiborne]

I feel like they're heavily hinting at a action combat game. A melee action combat game that's like.

[Nick Limone]

More like it's 100. A devil may cry game.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I mean I, I think that's hard to do, like if you're not, you know, famous for making those games. So that's. That's a little troubling. And then I, I don't. I personally don't really like that type of combat, but I liked control. Wasn't really about the combat for me, but when I think about what it was, you just kind of float back and forth and shoot things like almost like a. Yeah, it's a.

[Mark Medina]

And you had the mind control powers.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, yeah. And I thought that was interesting and unique and so they'll probably have something like that here. But like, I definitely. I'm not super into the. I am a little hordes of enemies.

[Nick Limone]

I am a little concerned about close quarters combat with remedy because, I mean, if Alan Wake 2 is anything to go off of Alan Wake and Saga's greatest enemy is a wolf in the woods. Even if I have a shotgun, that thing is just brutally difficult to try and hit because it's so fast and the aiming is just not quite tuned correctly.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

But bro, how good was Alan Wake 2?

[Nick Limone]

Alan Wake 2. Beautiful game. Beautiful game. That was very frustrating to play.

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[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, well I.

[Mark Medina]

Well, it's too early.

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, your mic wasn't working earlier or hear your piece. I was talking about it so I missed that.

[Damon Hatfield]

What were you saying about it?

[Sam Claiborne]

I'm excited for the little guy. This was a really weird hallway reveal. I thought that was really funny. But yeah, it's looking like it's more Mega Man 8 based and I think that's cool and you know. Yeah, like the stuff. Oh, sorry, Mega Man 7, right? That's the PlayStation 1.

[Damon Hatfield]

No, Mega Man 8 is the base.

[Nick Limone]

Why must we fight?

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

And then what 9 and 10 were those like they went back to.

[Nick Limone]

They were like yeah, is what I would rather get this one's more like 11. This one's more like.

[Sam Claiborne]

This too. I loved 11. I thought it was great.

[Damon Hatfield]

I liked 11, but you know, it's.

[Nick Limone]

Nine and 10 were my personal dude like.

[Damon Hatfield]

Or get a Mega man game that looks like dead cells. Like that's what I want.

[Nick Limone]

A beautiful, beautiful pixel art would be sick.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I mean Mega man could use that type of rethinking like where it has complexity, bosses, platforming, weapons. But it's not a left to right scroller. I mean that would be cool like if it actually got the dead souls dream.

[Nick Limone]

I love me and my 2D side scrolling mega man, but please Capcom, give me Mega Man Legends. I want it so bad.

[Mark Medina]

Oh no.

[Nick Limone]

Get him off the moon. Come on baby, let's do it. Oh man, I love Legends so much. I'm happy Capcom has acknowledged Mega man outside of like a Dead Rising game.

[Damon Hatfield]

But I'd rather get this than no Mega Man. Yeah, but then also speaking of, do you guys know that Nick Limone is convinced that Pragmata is a Mega man game?

[Mark Medina]

Well, even though they tweeted today and they were like, stop it, we're done.

[Nick Limone]

They said that about Leon, they said that about Le. Now that's just a gaslighting abuser behavior. Yeah, I'm joking. I'm joking.

[Mark Medina]

Diana might be Mega Man. She might be mega.

[Nick Limone]

Her arm looks like a mega buster. Come on.

[Damon Hatfield]

I mean she is like a cyborg, right?

[Mark Medina]

She is, yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Maybe this is what starts the, the ro. The Wily wars or something.

[Damon Hatfield]

This guy.

[Mark Medina]

Did anybody play the demo yet? It was only on PC.

[Nick Limone]

I have not played it. I'm going to check it out today. How is it?

[Mark Medina]

It's super fun. It's, you know, 15 minutes or so. It's, it's. But I think the game's really fun to play. It's, it's a, you know, third person over the shoulder shooter. But then Diana can hack things. So you'll see right there you're basically like doing a little bit of a puzzle. So what you're doing there is, is your face buttons. You know, I played on PC, so your A, B, X, Y, those become your D pad. And so you, you are, you go, you know, you zoom in and then you hack using those. That becomes your D pad. And you could kind of like risk, reward, like how many of the blue things do you want to go through before finishing it? And it'll do damage to them and then you'll pick up little things like defense lowering thingamabobbers. And those will get Added to the grid as well. And you could choose to go for those and stuff. But, like, it doesn't really slow down or anything. So it's a risk reward of like. Like you hack them and hurt them and break their shields, but also you're supposed to be dodging and stuff. And so you're gonna get really fast for us, Helldivers players are gonna get really fast at pushing those buttons.

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, now that the demo's out and you've played it, you can tell us if it was. It's. It's a secret Mega man game. Did you pick up another head of the character and then that became your extra life?

[Mark Medina]

Exactly. That is actually what happened. So, yeah, I can't confirm Pragmata if you rearrange the letters. It actually says Mega Man. Yeah, Mega Map. Nobody knew. Nobody noticed. Except for Merpa.

[Sam Claiborne]

Man.

[Nick Limone]

I have yet to play the demo. I'll do that after this game Scoop. But watching this trailer that they show during the game awards, the one thing that stood out to me is I really like his running animation. It looks like it feels good to move around.

[Mark Medina]

Dude, he's clunky. He's clunky. He's heavy.

[Nick Limone]

I love it.

[Mark Medina]

He's cool. But it's kind of dead spacey where you're like, you know, you're. You're kind of like, the demo starts and you're like traveling up this thing. There's some platforming because you could jump and glide and stuff like that. And then, you know, you're just going through this area, and the next thing you know, there's like these crystals showing you that it's like more or less okay. You drop off here, and then you're like back to the start of the area that you forgot you even began at. So kind of kind of dead spacey as far as like kind of windy and stuff. But then every time there was combat, I thought it was super fun.

[Nick Limone]

Nice.

[Mark Medina]

Definitely. Definitely got this game on my radar, you know.

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, a company like Bethesda can't deliver a game, you know, aside from like maybe once a decade. It's amazing that Capcom, what they. What they produce, like, they have this in Mega Man. They have Resident Evil, they have their standbys, they have Monster Hunter Street Fighter. Exactly. And it just goes on and on. And they have time to experiment with this little stuff. Like that's. It just feels so old school and interesting that there's a Japanese developer just like cooking out whatever they can. Something's a hit sometimes, but they keep on going they keep on trying things.

[Damon Hatfield]

And I think it's great, as if.

[Mark Medina]

Anyone can remember that this, that game was in the PlayStation 5 reveal.

[Sam Claiborne]

So that's how long this game was more recently revealed.

[Mark Medina]

I didn't realize that 20, early 2020 is when it got revealed.

[Damon Hatfield]

They deleted indefinitely. Indefinitely at one point. But they kept working, working on it.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah. The joke is she brings up her sketchbook and it's just dates crossed off and it's like the new one and the most recent one was just a question mark. And then now we finally have a date.

[Sam Claiborne]

At any point did she deploy a shield that was just a circle of leaves that really helped.

[Nick Limone]

Does she turn into a dog? Is that, that's what we're at.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You wrote, you wrote her across a gap. I was like, wait a minute, that's.

[Sam Claiborne]

Going to be in that badger game. I'm sure.

[Damon Hatfield]

We can talk about that badger game. Sam, you're right about Capcom. They're one of the most successful modern AAA developers. They figured out their P pipeline and they can just consistently release multiple high quality games year after year. Whereas look at Ubisoft, look at ea, look at, you know, like you say Bethesda. Like not many of them can do that anymore. Square Enix, I would say, is also.

[Nick Limone]

Even when there's like brand synergy reasons for them to do that. Like, even like with Amazon games, they are doing a Tomb Raider show and they have two Tomb Raider games coming out, presumably at some point when the TV show comes out. Fallout has season two dropping next.

[Sam Claiborne]

Oh my God.

[Nick Limone]

And there is no Fallout 3 remaster. There's no Fallout New Vegas remaster. There's a Fallout 76.

[Mark Medina]

Come on, Nick. There was some, there are some 76 updates that added the Ghoul 76 and shelter.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's always what it is.

[Nick Limone]

And I, you know, I feel bad just because I don't play that game and I know people do, but also like, come on, man, that's not why. Come on. What are you doing? Don't try to, don't try to make me think that's what I want.

[Damon Hatfield]

That ain't it it. Sam, you mentioned Bradley the badger. That game looks very cool. That's a new game. I, I, I had the pleasure of talking to the two lead designers on that game. One of them is Davide. Who is that? Who's the designer of the two Mario plus Rabbids games. Those strategy games are very cool.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, cool.

[Damon Hatfield]

The other guy, Christian was, he's the lead designer, designer on Red Dead Redemption. And Manhunt, a ton of other games. And, yeah, now they're. They're making this new 3D platformer that is 100, inspired by Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad for a Day, but then also parodies other games. So in their debut trailer, they've got. There's a Badger Born world. There's a cyberpunk world.

[Nick Limone]

There's so fun.

[Damon Hatfield]

Last of Us world.

[Mark Medina]

I. I couldn't tell. I halfway through, I was like, is this a game maker? Like, where it's, like, silly and you could, like, make your own games?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, it's just the premise is he's inside a video game and he has gained the tools to manipulate it in real time.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I think that. And that's why it was like, part of. It's like making platforms from whatever and everything. That's. I'm glad that we were able to clear that up, because that was a little bit confusing. However, I really like the Conker comparison because Conker did just rip through parody levels at the time. That's what it did. Like, it would do like a zombie level and a shooter level, and it had bullet time on the Xbox and the Matrix. It was very, very funny. So. So, I mean, I think it's really great. We on this show crave some kind of twist on the modern 3D platform. Is this almost looks like galaxy level or, I mean, sorry, Odyssey level of like, that type of twist, you know, And I just think it looks fantastic.

[Nick Limone]

Or Astrobot.

[Mark Medina]

Astrobot. Astrobot. There we go. Yeah, exactly. I was just gonna say, like, it looks like Astrobot.

[Sam Claiborne]

What's this stuff?

[Damon Hatfield]

This is part of the game. There's going to be some live action stuff in the game, but it's like.

[Sam Claiborne]

Assassin's Creed where they're like.

[Mark Medina]

Go into the anime.

[Nick Limone]

Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's gonna be something. They're playing coy about it, but this is not just for this trailer. There's gonna be some sort of liveaction aspect.

[Nick Limone]

That Badger works for the Illuminati, man.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then it turns out the Illuminati were good the whole time.

[Mark Medina]

Evan Peters is there. Quicksilver.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good catch. I couldn't really tell that was him. He's. Is he voicing Bradley the Badger?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

This. This game, when I saw it, stood out to kind of the promise of this indie game that came out earlier this year, I believe, called Ruffy in the Riverside, where the whole premise, it was like a 2D platformer in a 3D environment. Where you would copy and paste elements of the environment. And this looks very similar to that in. In a more, you know, I think a higher budget way. And I was very excited about that game, but I didn't release to too many good reviews, so.

[Sam Claiborne]

That one looked really cool though, just like the way that. That it. Yeah, very. That was great.

[Nick Limone]

Very clever, like, mechanic overall. And it looks like this is kind of channeling something in. In a similar regard.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

The devs of this game were telling me, you know, they both have been working in the industry for like 30 years. Worked on a ton of games. The. The team on Mario Plus Rabbids 2 was like 450 people. Oh my goodness. Yeah, they. There's like currently 24 people working on Bradley the Badger. So that they wanted to go back to just having a small team.

[Mark Medina]

I bet that's like. Yeah. Such a sigh of relief. Yeah, man.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. How do you wrangle 450 people?

[Sam Claiborne]

Well, 400 of them just have to like, answer to Nintendo about, you know, Mario's mustache having not enough souls on it and stuff like that.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Are we allowed to make Mario go?

[Nick Limone]

Oh, Mario doesn't use guns. He uses blasters. Thank you.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay, what else? We got a release date for Seiros. I think that's a mark joint.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, it is. It actually got delayed at the game awards. Oh, they just said the release date. They were like.

[Damon Hatfield]

I thought it had been coming in March, but then I saw April.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, they're like, it's April. And I'm like, wait a minute.

[Damon Hatfield]

Maybe I was wrong. So they just delayed it without mentioning it.

[Sam Claiborne]

It.

[Nick Limone]

Hey, that's the best way to do it.

[Mark Medina]

Stealth delay. Yeah, that's fine. I. Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

A little too much talking in the. I was like, hold on. Why is there all this cutcenes going on? I just want to shoot stuff.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, that's cuz they got the. They got Rahul and they're like. They got to. They got to get their money's worth there.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, it looks cool. I. I loved Returnal. And so this looks just like. This looks like orange Returnal. I'm super in orange.

[Sam Claiborne]

Orange Returnal.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. Returnal was blue Returnal.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

Nick thinks maybe they're. They're in the same universe.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, they probably are.

[Nick Limone]

And then when they make. There's going to be a third game where they have to clash and it's going to be blue and orange. And that's perfect marketing material right there. Because that was like the video game cover contest for the last, like 15 years.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. No, I think it looks good. Housemark is one of my favorite game studios ever. And so it's just one of those things where it's like, like, you know, you're in for a good time. When this game comes out, it's going to be atmosphere y, the music's going to be good, gameplay is going to be super solid. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Aren't you.

[Mark Medina]

What more can you ask for?

[Sam Claiborne]

Probably the biggest. The Forest fan at ign. Aren't you hyped for that one too?

[Mark Medina]

Definitely. Definitely a big fan of the Forest. Stoked for that one.

[Damon Hatfield]

This one was so confusing to me. It's called Forest 3. Right. I remember a game there being a game called the Forest, but I never heard of the Forest two. And this one, they just dropped the butt.

[Mark Medina]

Forest three, it's called Sons of the Forest. Is the Force two. Yeah. The crunchy one. Cheese. There's a song about it in Sons of the Forest. Yeah, they're, they're definitely, definitely doing a new approach on this one because like, you know, normally it's we're on a plane, the plane crashes on an island and now we gotta like survive for cannibals from cannibals. And it's like obviously they're in space now, so that's, that's dope. But once you land and you see the cannibal and then you kind of see the dark trees, you're like, okay, we're here. This game's probably a few years out. I don't expect it anytime soon. Sons of the Forest barely want a 1.0 a year ago and that game had years of trailers before it came out. So I would assume this is a while out but.

[Sam Claiborne]

Start another section of their studio and they're getting to work on it because it like looks, looks, it looks surprisingly far along if this is real stuff.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah, maybe shots, right?

[Nick Limone]

Yeah. These are strong bullshot territory.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. Cuz some of the Sons of the Forest first, first look trailers were really, really cool looking. And then the game came out. You're like, oh, this is just straight up a sequel to the Forest. Okay.

[Damon Hatfield]

Damn it.

[Mark Medina]

But yeah, the, the futuristic stuff looks super, super cool. Like a gun like that. That, that's, that's, that's super rad.

[Sam Claiborne]

I have you. So did you had you heard of Sons of the Forest once you mentioned that?

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

I didn't realize it was a sequel to the Forest.

[Sam Claiborne]

Have you heard of the Forest Unleashed?

[Damon Hatfield]

Nope. Oh gosh.

[Sam Claiborne]

The forest awakens.

[Mark Medina]

May the forest be with you.

[Damon Hatfield]

Are these. Is it are these tree punching games, Mark.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, tree punches.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, they are, but they're not cozy games. So there is a little bit of a difference. There you are chopping down trees. Trees. You're building a base. But it's for survival.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's the rusty side of it. Right. Naked in a frame.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

You're not.

[Mark Medina]

You're not necessarily like, you do have a hunger meter and stuff like that, but it's like you're not necessarily tending a farm. You're more or less surviving.

[Sam Claiborne]

There's also like a mystery to the world, right? It's not.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah. There's caves.

[Sam Claiborne]

There's like spooky stuff.

[Mark Medina]

There's. There's a story. There's caves you dive into and learn. There's tons of lore in this. So isn't there like a war with three arms?

[Nick Limone]

Does she have like three arms or two heads or something? She was like one of the protag. I just remember the. The AI companions being fascinating to me because they just behave strangely.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

When. When you're talking about a game where you crash land on a planet and you have to survive. Sam, don't you think they should make a scavengers reign game?

[Sam Claiborne]

Oh, my God. Another season that was. I was bouncing around studios after the. The first season.

[Nick Limone]

Well, it's on Netflix now, right?

[Damon Hatfield]

It lives on Netflix, but there's not.

[Sam Claiborne]

Getting but not renewed. Maybe.

[Nick Limone]

Maybe. You would love Subnautica, Damon. Yeah, that's a game about crashing.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's all underwater though, right?

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Yep.

[Nick Limone]

Very scary underwater too.

[Mark Medina]

Ocean is scary. It's endless ocean, but scary.

[Nick Limone]

Oh, are we still here, though?

[Mark Medina]

Oh.

[Damon Hatfield]

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[Nick Limone]

Oh, God, I love. Oh, no, I loved it.

[Damon Hatfield]

It.

[Mark Medina]

Divinity.

[Damon Hatfield]

It was divinity. Yeah, there were a couple Lords of the Fallen 2 was also pretty gross, but not anywhere near as gross as Divinity. So, in listeners, if you haven't seen this trailer, if you're not too squeamish, I recommend you go watch it. It'll probably be the grossest thing you see today.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, there's no content warning or anything. I was so excited for that man to explode into a blood monster just so to get his pain over with.

[Mark Medina]

This is why you don't burn people alive. You never know.

[Nick Limone]

It was very funny. Everyone's like, okay, this is all fine. This is all fine. But the second you see abreast, everyone's like, what the heck?

[Mark Medina]

This is horrible.

[Nick Limone]

Let me watch a man get burned alive, though. That's fine.

[Damon Hatfield]

No, this is exciting. It's the next game from Larian, which obviously just did Baldur's Gate 3. Huge hit. And I love the Divinity Original Sin games, both of those, but I haven't played the other three or four Divinity games came before that. But they're saying that this is going to be their biggest game yet. And as Nick can attest, Baldur's Gate 3 was pretty big.

[Nick Limone]

Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

On its own.

[Mark Medina]

It's a big game.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. Bigger than that. That means. I think this one also is probably quite a ways out.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah. I, I what's, what year is it? 2025. I, I'd say, I'd say 28 for early access, because they did early access for Baldur's Gate 3 and then probably 30 or 31 for full release.

[Nick Limone]

Can't wait to buy it on early access day one and never touch it until it hits 1.0. That's what I did with Baldur's Gate 3, and it paid off.

[Mark Medina]

There you go.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's funny, the we gave the early Access version of Baldur's Gate 3 of 7.

[Nick Limone]

That's crazy.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, man, I did not know that.

[Nick Limone]

And it is a very different game at its early access as well. Like just.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Kind of rough ui.

[Sam Claiborne]

It surprised everybody.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, it almost is. Like, that's almost kind of scary that to release an early access game that almost killed what, like, killed excitement for what ended up being one of the best games of the generation.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, it. Yep. I completely agree. Is this, I think when we were watching this role, like, kind of roll, there's like, which game is this? And there was some speculation that was the. It was the Witcher and like that, because it has that kind of vibrant village. And then, of course, like a monster being tortured that probably ends up up being a Good guy like that. All those themes are there. I thought that was interesting, but I don't think the witcher would ever go this gross.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, I thought it was Diablo 4 expansion, the.

[Sam Claiborne]

Oh, really?

[Damon Hatfield]

Whatever the hatred thing is, because they also.

[Sam Claiborne]

But the Diablo trailer was crazy too.

[Nick Limone]

Satan's real, real big these days. We love the devil here.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, Jeffrey.

[Damon Hatfield]

Well, I'm excited to play this whenever. Whenever it's done in a few years.

[Nick Limone]

And like, I. I said this during the game wars, but the thing that has me most excited about that, Larian fully owns the rights to the. The world of Riverland where divinity is set. And so the fact that they don't have to kind of play nice with the IP of, you know, Wizards of the coast and Dungeons and Dragons as an ip, they get to have full reign here and do whatever the heck they want, which is super exciting from a storytelling and just creator standpoint. They get full creative control.

[Sam Claiborne]

Do you suspect that they would make a divinity game now be just exactly like Baldur's Gate? Like it. Like Baldur's Gate 3, so it'll just like be completely like, have that update to it?

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, I think so.

[Mark Medina]

I think that's how Divinity Original Sin 2 is. Right? It's.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's more like that.

[Nick Limone]

It's more like that. But there's no like, inter character cutscenes in the way Baldur's Gate 3 has.

[Damon Hatfield]

Baldur's Gate 3 is a little more cinematic.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

And the camera still kept up pretty high.

[Sam Claiborne]

I was gonna say the camera locked up up high is like a different thing.

[Nick Limone]

Right.

[Sam Claiborne]

I don't think there's any going back to that.

[Nick Limone]

Divinity Original Sin very much like a very classical, like, CRPG point and click style RPG that I think is very tough for people's first time if it's their first time playing this kind of game.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Baldur's Gate 3 is the perfect, like, training wheels to get you into the Divinity Original sin too. Because, you know, as soon as you finish Baldur's Gate 3, you're gonna jump into divinity.

[Sam Claiborne]

And you would expect, like divinity to almost be Baldur's Gate 32 then and cater to the same audience because they want to attract like, the people that like the romance and the, you know, and the options and all that stuff that people like.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think. I don't think Larian can make a game that's not like full. Full of player freedom anymore. I think that that's for better or for worse. I think that is kind of the corner they've backed themselves into where it's like. And which is probably good for them. That's probably what they want to make. But like, Baldur's Gate 3 just had so much freedom. You could. You could play multiplayer split screen and completely play two different games where one person's in a cut scene, somebody else is in Act 3. Like, you could do anything in that game. And so it's. I. I expect this game to be huge.

[Sam Claiborne]

What happens to the desert thing?

[Nick Limone]

The desert thing?

[Mark Medina]

Desert thing, yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

The monoloid, the monolith in the desert.

[Nick Limone]

Oh, yeah. Where does it go? Yeah, where does it go? Where does it get housed after, you know, the game awards, they just get, you know, shuffled over to Larian headquarters. And where are they? Like London or Poland?

[Damon Hatfield]

Poland.

[Nick Limone]

Poland. Yeah. Polish developer.

[Damon Hatfield]

Really?

[Sam Claiborne]

They're another Polish developer. That's again, it's as a similar witcher vibe to it too. Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

I mean, the thing that happens in the sky looked like the conjunction of spheres from the witch, which is why I thought it was a Witcher 4.

[Sam Claiborne]

And just the whole idea of, like, look at these silly villagers, like, punishing something that turns out to be much more powerful than them. Right. Like, that's such a witcher concept.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, there's. There's like full on. There's already full on fan theories of what the overall premise is of this divinity game, just in regards to the gods being dead. And because the gods are dead, this demonic entity can now, like, break free from the. From hell or whatever. And now you got to deal with that.

[Sam Claiborne]

Plus the hobbits are there and they're weird.

[Nick Limone]

Anything that channels Wicker man too, I'm all in. I love the Wicker man so much.

[Mark Medina]

The bees.

[Nick Limone]

The original Wickerman.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, that's the only one I've seen.

[Damon Hatfield]

You've actually seen the movie? I've only seen that meme.

[Mark Medina]

I've seen the. I've seen the Nicholas Cage one. Wow.

[Sam Claiborne]

Okay.

[Mark Medina]

I think I saw it in theaters.

[Nick Limone]

The original one's very good and still very scary.

[Damon Hatfield]

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[Damon Hatfield]

Okay, lots of fun announcements last night. Lots of games to look forward to over the next many, probably many years. I played, like I said, played about 30 minutes of Terminator 2D no Fate last night. So far so good. Seems. Seems like what they promised. It's like a Super Nintendo style. Like if a good T2 run and gun Contra style game had been released alongside the movie in 1991. This feels exactly like what it would be.

[Nick Limone]

I mean, one thing that was a little you said you played 30 minutes. You're halfway through the game. That's kind of crazy.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's just I've been. Some of the reviews have said you can play, you can finish the game in less time than it takes to watch the movie.

[Nick Limone]

All right.

[Sam Claiborne]

Is there co op or you just. It's a single player game.

[Damon Hatfield]

I don't think there's co op.

[Mark Medina]

Okay.

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh, I had some notes and there's.

[Nick Limone]

Multiple, like, is there like alternate paths or stuff like that.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, there is. There was like a trailer called like the Decisions trailer. And it was like something happened in the trailer and they're like this happened because you did this. So on your next playthrough you can do this and it'll change this outcome. And like that's kind of like their draw. Because the whole point is like time travel, you know.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Sam Claiborne]

I think we all spend some more time with it so we can see if that's the. That that is truly the hook. Because that's a really good hook because it's a game about time travel and game about consequences of past actions. Right. So that would be cool if that was the twist.

[Damon Hatfield]

There's four difficulties. I forget what the easy mode is, but normal mode is no problemo. Hardest, Hasta la vista. And then the hardest difficulty is Judgment Day. But it's locked until you finish the game.

[Nick Limone]

Nice.

[Damon Hatfield]

And then there's lots of call out to other things. What happened. So the game opens up with a scene that is only hinted at in the movie. Sarah Connor is trying to train John. Like trying to teach him how to shoot a gun.

[Sam Claiborne]

Right. Because that happens off camera in the movies.

[Damon Hatfield]

Well, it's this, it's in the game. You're playing through a section before she's committed to the insane asylum. Before she's like I remember caught trying to set a bomb in Cyberdyne or something. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Because they kind of refer to her like his training in that movie.

[Damon Hatfield]

After she's out, you're in Mexico, she's trying to train him. And then some guys show up, up and they, they take John and then they, they punch him in the stomach and throw him over their shoulder and walk off screen. Exactly. Like Double Dragon.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's exact. Exactly.

[Damon Hatfield]

And then a lot of the gameplay feels like the arcade Robocop game, if you remember that. Cuz guys will like pop out of windows and when you shoot them, they fall down to the ground and it looks very much like Robocop. So you play that section of Mexico. Then the second level is her in Cyberdyne trying to set the bombs. But she's arrested. And then she has a flash, I guess she flash back forward where you play as John grown up John in the future in the third level there. So that's what I like.

[Sam Claiborne]

How the T1000 is pursuing you in that level. That was really cool. Yeah, just popping out of the background. Did you see Max's video about all the Terminator games?

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh no.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's good. So he did a video that's like all the weird Terminator games that have come out. I highly recommend watching it on Ignition. They show a lot of footage of the arcade game. The one with the two Uzis.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And which got conversions to Revolution X, the Aerosmith game at the time. Which is funny. But in one of the levels you're in Cyberdyne and the enemy is a bunch of scientists and they throw beakers of green liquid at you.

[Nick Limone]

That's what happens. That rocks.

[Sam Claiborne]

You're just murdering scientists.

[Mark Medina]

Cool.

[Sam Claiborne]

And like, he points out, like, why are they doing chemistry? It's a robot lab.

[Mark Medina]

Cool.

[Damon Hatfield]

So that's fun. And then also, as I mentioned, limited run games. Bringing Jaws back. Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

There's the scientists and there's Max.

[Damon Hatfield]

They're bringing Jaws back. The NES game, it's called the Jaws Jaws Retro edition. And this is a. You know, this is kind of an infamous NES game.

[Nick Limone]

It's brutally difficult.

[Mark Medina]

Not a good. Not a good game.

[Damon Hatfield]

I had this game. Sam had this game too.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. I got it as a gift for Christmas. And it's clearly a bargain bin game, like a year after it came out.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's one of those games I played a lot, but it's just. It's almost impenetrable. It's like hard to figure out exactly what you're supposed to do.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

There's like an. I think there are RPG mechanics. You have to level up.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yes, exactly. Yes. I think we were supposed to read the manual.

[Damon Hatfield]

I always read the manual. I was still confused.

[Mark Medina]

No, we threw them away.

[Sam Claiborne]

I think I threw mine. Yeah. I don't think I read the manual, but any. But to your point, if you watch a speedrun of it, it. It's actually really amusing because you have to just go between these docks over and over again, and then you get Jaws to come out and you kill them. Like, that's it. That's the game. Normally, to like, to get that to happen, it takes a lot. Do you remember if you spent a long time harvesting jellyfish and like playing what you may thought of was the game? Yeah. All of a sudden Jaws or baby Jaws would come out and just kill you. It was crazy.

[Nick Limone]

The game is like two different modes, right. It's like over, like on the ocean boat travel and then this underwater fight, right?

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

And then when you weaken. Weaken the real jaws enough, then you have to this like first person where you're controlling the boat.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yes.

[Damon Hatfield]

And Jaws is popping up and you have to. You have to stab Jaws that rock.

[Mark Medina]

I love the Jaws. The Jaws power. He's all powered up.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Is there somebody put a, like, it's like a, it's like E.T. like somebody put a lot of thought into, you know, making it an elaborate non platformer game that was like based on a movie but, but it's, it's executed so poorly that I think and so many people had it that it is really funny to, to resurface it.

[Damon Hatfield]

Stab that shark.

[Nick Limone]

That rules, man.

[Mark Medina]

Dude, that parallax on that water is so good. That's really good.

[Damon Hatfield]

It looks like the game is very colorful and I think it has pretty good music even though it doesn't have any.

[Nick Limone]

Dude, if you just.

[Sam Claiborne]

Is it ljn? I want ljl.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, I'll get him.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, didn't get him.

[Sam Claiborne]

See this would be self popular explanation for why you didn't get them.

[Nick Limone]

I know you just throw a VHS filter on this, some lo fi music and just get the back and forth of the boat going left and right. And that's a YouTube 24 like 7 video right there. That'd be as the kids say, a vibe.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, 24 hours of shark stabbing vibe.

[Damon Hatfield]

So they're, they're, they're adding the ability to save anywhere you can rewind. They're adding achievements and trophies. A music player in a gallery. But you know there's another game, an enhanced version in this package.

[Sam Claiborne]

No, I didn't know that.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's a massively expanded multi chapter adventure filled with nods and homages to all four Jaws films.

[Nick Limone]

Wow, that sounds impressive.

[Damon Hatfield]

New question objectives.

[Mark Medina]

There's four Jaws films.

[Damon Hatfield]

One Jaws, Jaws two Jaws three D and Jaws the Revenge.

[Mark Medina]

Is it all the same shark?

[Damon Hatfield]

Oh no, because they kill it every time. But I think it's the same shark family.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, the family gets revenge.

[Mark Medina]

Got it.

[Damon Hatfield]

They had new abilities and weapons for your boat, more challenging enemies, more ways to deal with them. It's a, they call it a robust realization of the NES games, role playing elements and inspirations.

[Nick Limone]

I mean that sounds kind of like dredge.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, actually.

[Nick Limone]

That's awesome.

[Sam Claiborne]

Everything that's been happening with Jaws, including the pinball machine, like everything kind of missed the 50th anniversary. I just. It's weird. They did do a reissue of the pinball machine for the 50th, but yeah, it's just strange timing for everything. It's all been a little delayed. I think the pinball machine is amazing. By the way, the Stern machine, I did a video. Yeah, yeah. It's really, really cool. It has just tons of footage from the first movie, integrated and call outs and it just. It's. It's a wonderful pinball machine. It's really, really good.

[Nick Limone]

Cool. Mark, have you seen Jaws?

[Mark Medina]

No, I've been to Universal Studios. I get to see the Jaws there.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, I saw the Jaws there. I did. Yeah. He's like. I was. I was miserable making this movie.

[Sam Claiborne]

It is the best. It's the best Christmas movie ever made. You got to watch it this holiday season.

[Mark Medina]

How many? I haven't seen Die Hard either, so I'll have to compare completely insane.

[Damon Hatfield]

You haven't seen Die Hard?

[Mark Medina]

Oh, well, I've seen one of them. The one with the. The Live Free or Die Hard. That's the one I've seen.

[Nick Limone]

I love it.

[Mark Medina]

Wow.

[Sam Claiborne]

I think Damon might be signaling the producer to kick you off the show.

[Nick Limone]

In real time here.

[Mark Medina]

He knows who I am. He keeps inviting me back.

[Sam Claiborne]

He's just pointing at Mark and doing the wrap it up signal for please wrap it up. I think Die Hard and Jaws are both great movies. I think Jaws is one of the best pieces of film ever committed to theaters. It is unreal good and still really fun to watch.

[Mark Medina]

I just watched. I've been sick, so I just watched Shawshank Redemption. Now that's a good movie, too.

[Nick Limone]

That is a good movie.

[Mark Medina]

It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[Sam Claiborne]

Little Stevie King wrote that one. One.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, he did.

[Damon Hatfield]

That is a good one. You might. Someone might cry blasphemy. I like Jaws a lot. I think it dips a little in the middle, gets a little slow.

[Sam Claiborne]

I know you're a 3D guy, Damon.

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay. 3D is definitely the one I watched the most as a kid. Although.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, well, the 2 was on TV all the time, so I constantly saw 3D about.

[Mark Medina]

It.

[Damon Hatfield]

Was a 3. It's one where you wear the cheap red and blue 3D glasses. Glasses.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, sick.

[Damon Hatfield]

And it takes place in like a. A Sea world type place.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, no.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, it's good. They're all stupid. Fun. One is a legit.

[Damon Hatfield]

Good one is.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

Fantastic film.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. And the part where it drags is the part where you get to watch People smoke in 70s clothes a lot. And it's great. Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

While we're talking about movies, real quick, extracurricular activity. I saw Kill Bill, the Whole Bloody Affair there.

[Nick Limone]

Me too.

[Damon Hatfield]

It was basically a religious experience for me. It was so good.

[Sam Claiborne]

I'm going tomorrow. I have 70 millimeter tickets to Alamo 1:30pm I could not be more excited.

[Mark Medina]

Yo. It's like four hours right.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's four and a half hours.

[Nick Limone]

Four and a half?

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's it.

[Mark Medina]

Intermission.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, it goes.

[Mark Medina]

Thank God. I mean, I couldn't do it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Dude.

[Damon Hatfield]

No. They're so good.

[Sam Claiborne]

What'd you think?

[Damon Hatfield]

I mean, I had. I had the best time. It was the best. My wife went out to dinner with a friend, so we got a babysitter. And I just went to see Kill Bill. I spent four and a half hours in the theater. I got a half bottle of wine. The best time. It was good.

[Mark Medina]

Is it just a legit third movie?

[Damon Hatfield]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Nick Limone]

It's the two movies together with some modifications to make it kind of. There's like this cut of the movie that exists called the Whole Bloody Affair that only Tarantino apparently owned the. The.

[Damon Hatfield]

I don't.

[Nick Limone]

And like, previously you could only watch that film print at the his theater that he owns here in la. But in order to do it, you had to do like a whole contest, essentially, of every day in December, every week in December, they would show one of his movies. And then if you collected a ticket from each of those movies, you would then get invited to watch his print of the Whole Bloody Affair.

[Mark Medina]

Now you had to take your shoes off.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, kinda. And now you just get the whole thing now. And it's such a beautiful experience. During the House of Blue Leaves segment, there's this beautiful, like just 360 around the entire, like, restaurant while, you know, the 5, 6, 7, 8s are playing. And just the sheer mastery of the camera, I started tearing up in the theater. I was like, this is incredible. It's beautiful.

[Damon Hatfield]

I will be honest, my eyes were not dry the entire time.

[Nick Limone]

Yes. Right.

[Sam Claiborne]

Oh, wow.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, man. I've never seen Kill Bill.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's just.

[Mark Medina]

I love Quentin Tarantino.

[Damon Hatfield]

You know, first of all, it's like, you know, it's 20 years old now. So it takes me back to that time in my life when I saw this. I was living in Chicago. The Internet was still fun back then. They make some slight changes. There's additional animated footage to the flashback for Orini. She shows a little bit more how she gets her revenge. And it's good. Very fun and good. There's some slight changes at the end of the first one. When you cut to intermission in the original film, the final line of the movie is Bill saying, spoilers. Does she know her daughter is still alive? They just omit that. So if you're watching this for the first time, it's a surprise to you at the very End that her daughter's still alive. And also during that, the fight scene at the House of Blue leaves. In the original theatrical cut, they had to make it black and white for. They had to turn it black and white for a certain point. They don't do that here. Keep it in color.

[Sam Claiborne]

What do you mean? They had to.

[Damon Hatfield]

For.

[Mark Medina]

For.

[Damon Hatfield]

To get an R rating?

[Sam Claiborne]

To not get A. Oh, that's so funny.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, and it. It's just. It's so goofy. So I'm like, come on, guys.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, 100%. Did you get to watch and like, how do you. How do you measure blood and quartz to not get an X rating or NC17? It's just silly. So did you. Did you see it on film by chance?

[Damon Hatfield]

Not me.

[Nick Limone]

Mine was digital, unfortunately. I. There's a theater in LA called the Vista, but I didn't want to drive to it because it's very far. And then you got.

[Sam Claiborne]

No, I think it's a total. Like, I. I saw hateful eight and not. It was more than 70 millimeter. What was. It was a higher. It was a bigger film format even than that. And it was magical, you know, just to see the film. And so that is one of the biggest draws for me is I love the Alamo Theater and like. Like, they project really nice when they get film. And so that's gonna be great. I'm gonna get some Bloody Marys, gonna get a pizza, gonna watch the whole thing. And by the way, my band just played with the 5, 6, 7, eights in Japan. That was one of the bands I played with.

[Nick Limone]

Oh, that rocks, man.

[Sam Claiborne]

They were a surprise. We knew this was happening, but there was. They couldn't be listed on the bill for some reasons. And they got. Got on there and played and they were great. And I have great video of me going absolutely nuts watching them up.

[Nick Limone]

That's so cool.

[Sam Claiborne]

Show was great. Did you bring your show and tell, by the way? Damon speaking.

[Nick Limone]

Tarantino.

[Damon Hatfield]

I thought about it, but since you had it, I thought maybe you could just hold it up. Yeah, look how big this thing is. Sam and I are both owners of the Making of Quentin Tarantino, Once upon a Time in Hollywood. And it's huge.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's a beautiful, legit big. Like, this is difficult right now.

[Damon Hatfield]

It's like. Like just holding it to read is actually a little bit.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's strenuous for a lack of writing too. Like, I read it for the articles, not the pictures. And it's. Seriously, it's. It's a. It's a 500 page book about day to day set development. Right. So it's like, it has. It has like, just a tremendous amount of, like, cool. Just background and stuff. And, you know, I'm 100 pages in right now, so. And I've been reading it like this before I go to bed.

[Damon Hatfield]

Don't drop it. Don't drop it.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, exactly. It's like, that's a broken nose if you drop it. So I've been doing that and I love it. And it's a little like, the writing is a little bit like, worshipy of Quentin Tarantino.

[Nick Limone]

Know.

[Sam Claiborne]

And it starts out with a lot of like, he wrote, you know, this great script and then, like, you know, he keeps these things under wraps. Right. So, like, people were coming to his house to read it.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And it gets tattered and it's like they tell this whole story. Now I'm in the casting part, though, and it's really great. Like, Viggo Mortensen and Nick Cage were a pair that he considered.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And like, which one would play which? Like, it's like crazy, you know, sorry. Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt were the final. At one point, the studio said, well, if you cast Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio, here's the thing. If you're Quentin Tarantino and if you cast Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio, that's two stars and the studio will still make money. If you cast both of them and you're Quentin Tarantino, then that's three expensive people and we don't make money. But we'll make a great movie. And we're in the business of making great movies. That's what they said was the story. And then they did that. I was like, what?

[Damon Hatfield]

Okay, well, I'm pretty sure.

[Mark Medina]

I mean, it is a great movie.

[Damon Hatfield]

It is.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

And I bet they made money, too. But, yeah, there's just so, so much incredible photos and behind the scene detail and stuff. And, you know, I mean, I needed no convincing that this is, you know, one of the most fun movies probably ever to work on. And everybody that touched it just seemed to have a blast, you know, like, these stars couldn't wait. And like, you know, Margot Robbie wasn't the most famous person in the world at the time, but she'd done I, Tonya and. And Quentin Tarantino, like, wrote the movie for her.

[Mark Medina]

He said, yeah, well, she had just done. She had just done Wolf of Wall street with Leo.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah. That was kind of the first big movie for, I think.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, well, and she had done. She had done Suicide Squad. Right.

[Damon Hatfield]

That came afterwards.

[Sam Claiborne]

No, no, he had known about that one of those movies had come out and, and she had, she had had a breakout role in that somehow because there's two of them by, by the time anyway there for a.

[Damon Hatfield]

She was in. Okay. Anyway, we're getting off into any.

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Okay, let's bring this episode home. It's time to that brings us to video game 20 questions and our suggestion comes from Jake from Bournemouth, UK. Really enjoyed the top 25 games of the century so far list, he said. All in all, a great list. There's a couple of gaps I'll have to fill because I've never played Tears of the Kingdom, Mario Odyssey or Uncharted 2.

[Mark Medina]

Wow. Wow. Well, you're in for a good time.

[Damon Hatfield]

And he says, I would suggest football manager for 20 questions. But it's an annual release and I reckon it's a bit niche, so I will go for my personal favorite. Redacted.

[Mark Medina]

Hopefully.

[Nick Limone]

It's not like Football Manager would be.

[Sam Claiborne]

Interesting because it's like, you know, it's a non action sports game that's kind of a strategy game. I like that. We might not have got it, but I like it.

[Damon Hatfield]

Let the questioning begin.

[Mark Medina]

All right. Did the game come out after 2010? January 1, 2010?

[Damon Hatfield]

No.

[Nick Limone]

2010. It's very specific. Is this game made?

[Mark Medina]

I like my even numbers.

[Nick Limone]

Is this game made in Japan?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

Nice.

[Mark Medina]

Was this made? Oh, go ahead.

[Sam Claiborne]

Would you. Would you say multiplayer is the main focus of this game?

[Damon Hatfield]

No.

[Mark Medina]

Did this come out between 2000 and 2010?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

Okay, so we got a decade.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Did it come out on a compact disc based medium?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes. That's five.

[Mark Medina]

Was this game exclusive when it came out?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

PlayStation or PlayStation 2 or so.

[Mark Medina]

PS2 or PS3 game? Game. GameCube. Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

PS3.

[Mark Medina]

The platform that it was exclusive for was a first party.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

First party. Japanese title.

[Mark Medina]

Gotta be Nintendo or. Or PlayStation.

[Sam Claiborne]

Was it a Nintendo game?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes. Okay.

[Mark Medina]

All right.

[Nick Limone]

So it's a gamecube or I guess it could also be a Wii game. Yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Or Wii U.

[Nick Limone]

Is this game on the Nintendo Wii?

[Mark Medina]

We.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

All right.

[Mark Medina]

Hey, we.

[Sam Claiborne]

Would you call motion controls like a. A key element of this game?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes. That's 10.

[Sam Claiborne]

I bet it's Metroid Prime 3. Corruption just started playing tie in. And also we haven't talked about Metroid, which I think is great.

[Mark Medina]

I started playing Metroid Prime 4.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, it's great.

[Mark Medina]

So everyone knows it is a game that I have not got very far in.

[Nick Limone]

Is this game set in space?

[Damon Hatfield]

No, not.

[Nick Limone]

Okay.

[Mark Medina]

All right, let's see here.

[Nick Limone]

Motion controls are heavy.

[Sam Claiborne]

That eliminates both Mario Galaxies and Metroid Prime. Maybe it's Link's Crossbow training.

[Mark Medina]

Yep.

[Nick Limone]

I mean, but this is. This is our boy's favorite. One of his favorite games. So if that's your.

[Sam Claiborne]

Hey, I thought that was redacted.

[Nick Limone]

Is it?

[Mark Medina]

He said it was his favorite reneacted, Right?

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. Well, what if I told you Link's Crossbow Training was my favorite Wii crossbow.

[Mark Medina]

Based game of all of them to.

[Nick Limone]

Choose from, Maybe favorite tech demo.

[Mark Medina]

Do you play as a character in this? Like, is this Never mind. Hold on. Let me think. I'll try to describe what you do in Wii Sports. You do sports?

[Nick Limone]

I mean, you play as a me in Wii Sports.

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Claiborne]

Does this game use me's as your modus of characterization?

[Nick Limone]

No, no. Me's.

[Mark Medina]

Whoa.

[Nick Limone]

So not Wii Sports Resort or anything like that?

[Mark Medina]

Yeah, yeah. Does this game star a recognizable Nintendo character?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes. Oh, okay.

[Sam Claiborne]

Is it set in the Mario or Zelda universes?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes.

[Nick Limone]

It's got to be a Zelda game.

[Mark Medina]

It's got to be the Donkey Kong Bongos game.

[Nick Limone]

No, that was GameCube.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. Maybe it's. Is it a Mushroom Universe game?

[Damon Hatfield]

No, that's 15.

[Nick Limone]

Do you play as a.

[Mark Medina]

Or it could be Skyward Sword.

[Nick Limone]

Do you play?

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah. Or Twilight.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

Do you play as a wolf in this game?

[Damon Hatfield]

You can.

[Nick Limone]

Okay, so Twilight Princess.

[Mark Medina]

There we go. Twilight Princess. There we go.

[Nick Limone]

Is this game the Legend of Zelda? The Twilight Princess?

[Damon Hatfield]

Yes, it is. Yes. Let's go.

[Mark Medina]

You can. Yeah.

[Damon Hatfield]

2006 for Wii and GameCube and then 10 years later brought to the Wii U and the HD version with it.

[Mark Medina]

We used a lot of questions, but I feel like we got there pretty quick still.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah, it was rapid fire.

[Sam Claiborne]

The Wolf Amiibo was so fun because you could just pop it into Breath of the Wild anytime you wanted. I got a kick out of that when Breath of the Wild was new.

[Nick Limone]

Same.

[Mark Medina]

I love Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom so, so much. I'm ready for another one. Those of these ready for another? Like a classic Zelda classic, you know, kind of going through dungeons.

[Sam Claiborne]

What about echoes?

[Mark Medina]

I loved Echoes of Wisdom. Great.

[Nick Limone]

See you got your classic Zelda. Give me another 3D open world Nintendo.

[Mark Medina]

That's a Pokemon game. What are you talking about?

[Damon Hatfield]

How do you all feel about Twilight Princess today? Because I never finished this game. I was just. The Wago controls turned. Really turned me off to it.

[Musical Guest or Outro Vocalist]

Yeah.

[Nick Limone]

I do think the GameCube version is the definitive version of the game. Just because. Especially because Link is backwards, though. Well, I. I think. No, the. The Wii one's backwards because Link is right handed.

[Sam Claiborne]

Everybody played the Wii one, so you have to call the GameCube one. It's also 4x3, which is really annoying when you go back to play it canonically.

[Nick Limone]

Link is left handed, actually.

[Mark Medina]

So.

[Damon Hatfield]

Yeah, this is also coming after Wind Waker, which to me is so much more visually.

[Nick Limone]

Yeah. I mean, the one thing I was looking at this game, despite having a very slow two hour opening, I think it's some of the Coolest dungeons in a Zelda game apart from Skyward Sword. And I, I think it's just a really cool, fun take on just a more mature Zelda quote unquote. And I really like the environments and the enemy designs and also yes, the little. The. The spinning top divide twice all time gadget. So fun.

[Sam Claiborne]

You see, Damon, Zelda is like pizza. When it's bad, it's bad and when it's good, it's. You probably played it when you were under 13 years old.

[Mark Medina]

Just like pizza.

[Nick Limone]

The first two hours are rough, I'll give you that. The rest is pretty good.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I, that's very. I know we say that games have slow starts, but when I re. When I replayed this, it's really tough. Like you do a lot of the herding and you do a lot of. Of you heard the goats or whatever. Then you do a bunch of the talking in town. It just takes a really long time to get out of their version of the Kokiri Forest. But after that it still takes a long time because you get all these wolf traps and you're like in the Dark world and you can't do this. And it's like after the fire dungeon then you get into a kind of a hyrule field type flow and you're running around. But it is really like, it's just a little bit restrictive as a Zelda game.

[Nick Limone]

It.

[Sam Claiborne]

It's in Skyward Sword is too. So they, they got more and more away from that Legend of Zelda just drops you on a rectangle. They're like, you figure it out, you idiots. Like I admit, you know, and that's what was so refreshing about Breath of Wild. Bring it back. So I think people will like if they haven't played this game, they won't understand that like we didn't, you know, it. It had really lost its way. But then also was also perfecting a different thing which was like dungeons and collection and, and almost like Metroid like gameplay. It was like almost, you know, that type of thing where you're kind of returning to areas with your hook shot to get stuff and then you're returning to areas with your, your metal boots and it's, you know, it's not. It doesn't feel like the Zeldas that people been playing for the last decade now and the first decade.

[Nick Limone]

And it features an optional dungeon. I'm always a fan of a game with an optional dungeon. The Cavern of Ordeals.

[Sam Claiborne]

The Cloud Cuckoo Land dungeon is. Is wild. Sorry, that's in. That's in this one, right?

[Nick Limone]

That's in this one. Yeah, the one with the very scary chicken man.

[Sam Claiborne]

Yeah, I got scared there for a second. I was like, wait, no. Is that Skyward? Nope, it wasn't.

[Damon Hatfield]

Mark, I want to.

[Mark Medina]

I want to do. I want to do a quick two minute extracurricular. I forgot. But I remember I wanted to talk about it. So. I'm a huge fan of the show Spartacus. It's a great show. Just rewatched it. The new series is out now and it's a what if series where the couple characters that died, they. They just, they just. It's Lucy Lawless and I don't know the actor's name, Asher. And they're just House of Ash. Well, I said the actor's name. I know the character's name. Anyways, the show starts and Lucy Lawless is just like, hey, you know how you died? What if that didn't happen? And then the show just starts and it's great. And I think more shows should do that.

[Sam Claiborne]

Whoa.

[Mark Medina]

I think more. What is going on?

[Nick Limone]

That's pretty.

[Damon Hatfield]

Compared to. Oh, man, I need to watch this show.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, dude, it's basically porn. You don't have children around. But it's. It's so good. And I wish more shows would do that. Well, you should watch Spartacus because. So here's real quick. Season one had a guy named Andy and then he got sick. So then season two is a. It's a. It's a flashback scene. Nick, have you seen the show?

[Nick Limone]

No, no, I had to do something related to Spartacus. House of Asher for work.

[Mark Medina]

Oh, got it. So the main character ended up dying from cancer. So then in season three and four, it's Andy McIntyre who's playing Wolverine in the new Wolverine video game. So if you want some. Some. If you want some or. I'm not Andy McIntyre. I forget his name. Anyways, he's great.

[Sam Claiborne]

His shots are so tight. They have like no budget. Huh.

[Mark Medina]

I love this idea of them just. That's seriously the first five minutes of the show as they're just like, hey, you died. But like, what if you didn't? You want to live in that world? And he just wakes up and then the show just pretends that like he didn't die. It's great.

[Sam Claiborne]

That's what happens in every Jaws movie. I love them. Shark back.

[Damon Hatfield]

All right, well, nicely job on 20 questions. Thank you for the suggestion. Jake from Bournemouth, UK. Viewers, listeners, if you have your own suggestions for video game 20 questions questions, email them to me. The email address game scoop.com. and that is all the scoops that we have for you this week. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Sam. Thank you, mark. Thank you to tyo.

[Sam Claiborne]

Happy happy jaws season, everybody.

[Damon Hatfield]

Happy jaws season. Thank you to tyo. Working behind the scenes to make this episode possible. My name is Damon. We will be back next week. We have one more scoop before we're going to take the week of Christmas off off. But next week will be the damie awards and then we'll take the week.

[Sam Claiborne]

Off annuals and then we'll take the.

[Damon Hatfield]

Week of Christmas off. But then we're going to squeeze in an episode between Christmas and new Year's. We'll record on the the 30th of that week. So please be excited for that. My name is Damon. This is IG gimp. And we're out.

[Musical Guest or Outro Vocalist]

I said I would run away.

[Mark Medina]

A.

[Musical Guest or Outro Vocalist]

Sweet as far as I could go? Teach the dogs to pull a sleigh through the white and drifting snow? You brought home a magic box in time for Christmas day? I chased stars and busted blocks till the feeling went up away. Needles in the carpet? Ice behind your eyes on my best behavior Till Santa Claus arrives in another castle Trying to to survive the storm that took us all in 1985? You walked out into the wind to warm up grandma's car but you never came back in lost beyond the the fog of war Scrolls unfold in front of me and I am in control? Wires from the old TV through my hands and to my soul? Needles in the vacuum I behind your eyes on my best behavior till Santa Claus arrives in another castle Trying to survive the storm that took us all in 1985? 5. In 1985? In 1985? In 1985? In 1985.