Giggling about bird theory, boyfriend olympics, and justice

Summary

Giggly Squad – April 7, 2026

Episode: Giggling About Bird Theory, Boyfriend Olympics, and Justice

Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo

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Overview

In this lively episode of Giggly Squad, Hannah and Paige dive into everything from relationship tests and "bird theory" to recounting chaotic family holidays, pop culture deep dives (including the Kardashians and true crime documentaries), and the hilarity (and trials) of navigating dating in your 20s and 30s. Their signature blend of self-deprecating humor, pop culture commentary, and unfiltered honesty is on full display, offering both laughs and surprisingly thoughtful insights into friendship, dating, and womanhood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Holiday Recap: Hosting, Pajamas, and Family Energy

[02:08 – 06:18]

• First Holiday Together: Hannah and Paige talk about their "family weekend" spent together, what holidays mean to each of them, and Hannah’s struggle to get a good outfit photo.
• Fashion Anxiety: Paige jokes about being on her period on Easter, relying on "granny panties and Tampax" and commiserating about throwing out ruined underwear.
• Marriage Transparency:
  • Hannah shares a candid moment: “He came in, and he's in this bathroom, eye contact with me as I'm unplugging and putting it back in... I was like, oh, my God. He loves me for me.” (03:40)
  • Importance of gossiping with your partner—even if they’re not invested, pretending to care matters.

The “Bird Theory” and Relationship Micro-Tests

[04:30 – 05:01]

• Paige explains "bird theory": “If your partner says, ‘hey, look at that bird outside…’ and if you don’t look, the statistics of you guys staying together dwindle.” (04:36)
• Both agree: little moments of connection and attention define lasting relationships.

Love on the Spectrum: Dating Realness

[04:49 – 07:14]

• Gushing about Netflix’s Love on the Spectrum and its refreshing honesty in dating.
• Memorable quote: “It’s the first time I’ve seen a man ask a question on a date. Like, and I’ve watched a lot of dating shows before.” – Paige (06:53)
• Takeaway: We can learn from neurodivergent daters—honesty and knowing quickly if something’s not right.

Justice for the Kardashians: True Crime and Media Narratives

[07:30 – 11:41]

• Both react fiercely to the Lamar Odom documentary and comment on unfair media criticism toward Khloe Kardashian.
• Key quote: “No one wants to say justice for the Kardashians. People would rather do anything than say justice for the true.” – Hannah (07:59)
• Discussion on double standards: When men use relationships for social climbing, it’s normalized; women are vilified.
• On resilience: “You cannot be successful without being disciplined.” (08:34)
• Unpacking the trope: “She’s the one teaching him how to speak again.” (09:31)

Hosting and Tablescapes: Peak Paige Energy

[20:03 – 24:38]

• Paige celebrates her tablescaping success at Easter, with her mom’s approval. She details her careful party planning, from Easter-themed décor to bunny chairs for ultimate “feng shui.”
• “I was really particular about the feng shui because I almost put the tables outside, but then… I did it inside, and I felt like. Turned out it was.” (24:09)
• Revels in the fun of hosting, making the rounds—“When you’re the host… it’s so easy to be like, I have to go say hi to this person.”

Boyfriend Olympics & Family Acuity Tests

[55:05 – 56:43]

• Paige describes her dad’s infamous “boyfriend Olympics”—making her suitors go through decathlon-like tests: “He would just at one point be like, you want to throw a ball outside?... Next thing you know, they’re doing time sprints…” (55:16)
• Both agree: A man who can’t throw a football might be a dealbreaker.

Notable Pop Culture Deep Dives

[33:18 – 34:33, 34:07 – 34:42]

• Jessica Simpson’s Heels: TikTok claims they’re the most comfortable, leading to a “justice for Jessica Simpson” moment and reminiscing about the pop star era.
• Women in STEM of the Week: Honoring inventive or insightful women, including a tip to buy kids’ art at thrift stores for “modern” wall décor.

Candid Talks on Dating, Sex, and 20s vs. 30s Perspective

[47:30 – 49:34, 59:52 – 61:55]

• Emphasizing how much more secure and less perfectionistic life feels in their 30s: “In your 20s, you don’t know the answers… it takes until your 30s to know the answer to things and actually feel good.” – Hannah (48:33)
• “Any guy that says he’s smart is dumb. Any guy that says he’s a good guy is a bad guy.” – Hannah (49:16)
• Sex and relationships: Sharing stories about faking orgasms and being gaslit by men who claim “all my girlfriends have a hard time coming.” (60:55)
• The value of making fun of your partner and friends as a sign of intimacy (“It takes me knowing about you and remembering details about you to make fun of you, which means I care.” – Hannah, [58:04])

Other Highlights, Quotes & Recurring Jokes

• “Can I say one more thing?” – The phrase that signals a story is about to go on forever ([15:12])
• The “bottomless apps” at Buffalo Wild Wings are equated to “bottomless yaps,” celebrating friendship and endless conversation over food ([15:26 – 17:45])
• Cats hiding during parties (“She’s praying to Prada.” – Paige, [36:44])
• On being a ‘girls’ girl’: The term has lost meaning and become another way to pit women against each other ([49:24])

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Notable Quotes

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |--|--|--| | 03:40 | “He came in, and he's in this bathroom, eye contact with me as I'm unplugging and putting it back in... I was like, oh, my God. He loves me for me.” | Hannah | | 04:36 | “If your partner says, ‘hey, look at that bird outside…’ and if you don’t look, the statistics of you guys staying together dwindle.” | Paige | | 06:53 | “It’s the first time I’ve seen a man ask a question on a date… this is the first time they’re interested.” | Paige | | 07:59 | “No one wants to say justice for the Kardashians. People would rather do anything than say justice for the true.” | Hannah | | 08:34 | “You cannot be successful without being disciplined.” | Paige | | 24:09 | “Your feng shui was perfect. I rounded the corner, you could go outside… I was really particular about the feng shui…” | Hannah/Paige | | 49:16 | “Any guy that says he's smart is dumb. Any guy that says he's a good guy is a bad guy.” | Hannah | | 55:16 | “He [my dad] would just at one point be like, you want to throw a ball outside?... Next thing you know, they’re doing time sprints…” | Paige | | 60:55 | “Yeah, all my girlfriends, like, have a really hard time coming.” | Anonymous ex-boyfriend (Anecdote) | | 58:04 | “It takes me knowing about you and remembering details about you to make fun of you, which means I care. Period.” | Hannah |

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Memorable Moments & Bits

• Bird Theory: Partners showing attention to each other's small joys.
• "Justice for the Kardashians": Reframing how media (unfairly) demonizes women—often those supporting troubled men.
• Boyfriend Olympics: Fathers “testing” suitors as though it’s an athletic combine (hilarious and a little too real).
• Buffalo Wild Wings Segment: Bottomless apps = Bottomless yaps; friendship is eating mozzarella sticks and talking for hours without running out of jokes.
• Celsius vs. Fahrenheit: Hannah’s sleep temp wars with her husband—"I don’t care what 24 is, it’s too hot!" ([13:47])
• Dating Red Flags: The matchless male—the kind who never introduces you to friends, or negs you for being yourself.

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Closing Thoughts

• Reflection on Friendship: Lifelong bonds mean you don’t have to retell your life story—and that being able to make fun of each other is a mark of true closeness.
• Growth & Wisdom: The 30s are about learning from mistakes, rejecting perfectionism, and realizing “everyone’s a little bit stupid.”
• Final Wisdom: If your friends don’t make you laugh, “what do you do? Try to connect with men. That sucks.” [50:15]

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Timestamped Guide to Core Segments

• Bird Theory, Gossip & Relationship Insights: [04:30 – 06:18]
• Love on the Spectrum / Honest Dating: [04:49 – 07:14]
• Kardashians & True Crime: [07:30 – 11:41]
• Hosting Easter & Feng Shui: [20:03 – 24:38]
• Buffalo Wild Wings / Friendship: [15:12 – 17:45]
• Boyfriend Olympics: [55:05 – 56:43]
• Dating, Sex, & Being Gaslit: [59:52 – 61:55]
• 30s vs. 20s Self-Reflection: [47:30 – 49:34]
• Women in STEM/Women Supporting Women: [33:18 – 34:42]

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Tone

• Self-deprecating, irreverent, and candid—unfiltered commentary that's both deeply personal and relatable.
• Playful & witty, with random pivots and ongoing in-jokes (apps vs. yaps, making fun of fingers, “girls girl” label eyeroll).

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For Giggly Squad fans and newcomers alike, this episode is a delightful blend of friendship, pop culture, dating realities, and hot takes—proving that laughing at life (and yourself) is the only way to survive it.

Transcript

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Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

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I mean, the day just got away from me.

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Hello, my gobble ghoul Gigglers. We had an incredible family weekend.

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This was our first holiday together.

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My family wasn't there, but I'm just

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saying like in terms of us, I

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feel like every day is a holiday with you.

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That's true.

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But how'd I do?

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You did amazing.

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I didn't get a good photo of my outfit so I didn't want to post it. Cuz look you guys, if I get the wrong angle. I didn't want you guys to get the wrong impression. And, Paige, you posted, like, the Contius video. Perfect lighting. And I didn't want people comparing me.

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Right.

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So I said, I'm going to just explain it with my words. But, yeah. White capris, which, by the way, I love a Capri. I was on my period.

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Wow.

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But it was Easter, so you were. And I said, christ has my back today.

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If there's any day he's looking out for me, it's today.

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And I wore my granny panties, my Tampax.

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This is actually so bad, especially for the, like, sustainable girls. But, like, I'll just flow and then throw that underwear away.

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That's what I was.

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Yeah. Like, I'm just always ordering underwear. And you know what? I don't care.

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Can I say where I am in my marriage?

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Sure. Hannah arrived somewhere early, and I was like, are you okay? Are you still married? The only explanation I could think is, like, she's fighting with us.

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And I was like, no. I'm literally on the phone with him talking about his knee right now. So I'm. When you're on your period, you know, it's. It's reckless. And whenever you go to the bathroom, it's a whole thing. And when does. And I are in a heavy, you know, gossip discussion, you can't lose momentum. And I was like, really quickly, I have to changed my. I'm in the bathroom unplugging myself, and

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he came in, and he's in this

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bathroom, eye contact with me as I'm unplugging and putting it back in. And in that moment, I was like, he's feminist.

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Like, he's a supportive thing.

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He's literally handing me the tampon. He was like, do you need me to. To wrap toilet paper around it?

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And another thing.

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No lit. He. His eyes did not move from eye contact. And I was like, oh, my God. He loves me for me.

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So. No. Being able to gossip with your partner is, like, really important.

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Very important.

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Like, if they don'. Even if they don't care about what you're saying, it's really important that they pretend.

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My favorite is when does. Because Des is honest with me. Sometimes he's like, the story's taking too long. It better be worth it. Yeah.

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Wrap it up. Lay on the plane.

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I feel pressure. And then when I do have a crazy ending to a gossip story, and I'm like, never doubt me again.

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Yeah.

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Because I like details. I like building it up. I like you thinking, this isn't going anywhere.

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Have you heard of the bird theory?

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Yes, I love the bird theory. Is very important.

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I think it's extremely true.

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Do you want to explain if you

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haven't heard of it, it's if your partner says, hey, look at this, like, hey, look at that bird outside the window. And if you don't look, the statistics of you guys staying together dwindle.

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Shout out to Love on the Spectrum. The best show on television right now. Did you watch it?

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I'm watching.

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You're watching it?

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I'm only like three episodes in, but I'm like, logan, which one is he with the curly hair that wore the velvet suit?

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Yes. I love him so much. Much.

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What do you realize when he said, you know what? I don't need curvy haired girls to be happy.

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Curly haired girls to be happy.

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No, but he kept saying curvy.

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But that's literally every man I've ever met. Like, when they're younger, they think they only like a certain type of girl and then they like meet a girl who isn't like that. And they're like, wait, I made it up in my head what I like, right? This one girl goes on a date, this Mormon girl with a very cute man. Like, very cute. Like, the second I saw him, I was like, I'm good, he's good, let's do this. Yeah. And at the end she was like, I think we should just be friends. You remind me of my dad. And in that moment, I said, she has valent points. But I was like, but you just met this guy. Like you've never been on a date before. Like, this guy's cute and that's me being a little bit that vapid and shallow, which I have been in the past. I haven't. I didn't date a smart man till dez, so just remember that.

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And he's like, really smart.

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Does. Yeah, scarily. Like sometimes he knows things. I'm like, you shouldn't know that stuff.

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Yeah.

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I was kind of annoyed, not annoyed with her, but I was like, okay, I feel like you're have two eggs in one basket. Whatever the quote is, the next date she meets a guy who does the impression she likes. He's really handsome. She's laughing the whole time. And I said, we can learn from that.

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Yeah.

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She said no to something that she knew she could have done. Y. If I told you, if you said no to something that you're kind of accepting right now, and there was something so beautiful on the other side of it, wouldn't you say no immediately?

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Right.

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And. And that's what we can learn from them, because they're so honest, they can't fake it. Where we'll lie to ourselves, be like, no, this guy's good enough. This is. This is what I need right now. What if I told you your dreams were on the other side?

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Yeah, what a good mental health moment to start off the pod.

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But also, their dates are literally asking each other their favorite colors, their favorite hobbies, and if they don't have the same hobbies, it's like, let's move on.

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It's the first time I've seen a man ask a question on a date. Like, and I've watched a lot of dating shows before. I'm like, this is the first time they're interested.

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No, I'm actually watching. I turn to Des and I'm like, you've never done that?

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Yeah.

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The level of romance that these. These guys are bringing to the table is incredible.

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And I like that they know instantly. Like, nope, not for me.

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The relationships that have made me felt the worst are the ones where I'm, like, being myself and they don't acknowledge it or don't do that. Yeah, yeah. Like, not in a jokey way. Like, I like when they make fun of me jokingly, but when you say something earnestly that interests you. And they literally could not give a walk.

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Did you watch the Lamar Odom doc?

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Oh, girl, wait. Why did I feel like I liked him less after? Like, I went in being like, he's feeling bad for him. And then I was like, oh, no.

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When I was watching it, I. I actually got so mad because I was like, why are. Why aren't more people talking about this? Like, justice for the Kardashians. It was so evident. I mean, he said it.

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No one wants to say justice for the Kardashians. People would rather do anything than say justice for the true.

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It was so evident when he. I mean, he said it himself. He was like, I married her because I knew it would better my life. I knew I wanted to live the way she lived.

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Which if a girl ever said that, they'd be like, you gold digging motherfucker.

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Especially because the whole rhetoric, for years, years has been, any guy that dates one of the Kardashians, like, their career falls, they, like, go crazy, whatever.

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I would argue the Kardashians, they're trying to fix these men, and then they can't because you can't fix a man.

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Well, it's so obvious that all of these men get with these women because of how disciplined they are how successful they are. And also, you cannot be successful without being disciplined. Like, so all of these guys that they've dated and have married, that become drug addicts? Like, yeah, they're not drug addicts. So you're not going to become successful.

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I literally saw him say, I saw her lifestyle and I realized that's the kind of lifestyle I want to live.

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And none of them could, oh my God, if I had a frickin nickel. These men want to say frickin'. These men want to be them, they want their lifestyle. But then they realize they can't actually put in the work to live their lifestyle.

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And then because that Chloe loves him,

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she goes above covers up for him, Protect, protect this man.

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As he embarrasses himself. And her, she still sticks by him,

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but yet she gets the hate of like, well, why would you protect him?

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And suddenly he's the hero. Where everyone's like, justice for Lamar. Like, like, save Lamar. And then everyone's like, Chloe while she's the one teaching him how to speak. Again.

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I didn't realize that she was only 24 when they got married.

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I didn't realize that either. Something hurt me in my heart.

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Yeah.

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Do you know she always called him lamby?

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Yeah.

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And I thought, so cute.

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When he said it was weird, he

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goes, it was weird. She called me that. I said, what?

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How about she didn't want to do the spin off and he wanted to do it.

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Oh my God. She basically was like, he loved the camera.

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No, these men that are so fame hungry.

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Her interviews were so honest and, and just like not.

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Yeah, she seems like such a good mom and friend and so she just seems so nice. What about the part where she said his dad came in and was like, pulled the plug because he wanted the, the life insurance money and she was like, what do you want? And he wanted a pair of sneakers in a hotel room. And she was like, here, now get the out of here. How in that alone.

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You don't realize how like selfish some of these men are. Especially at the end when even like his kid was like, I realized that my dad is like my son sometimes and he just hasn't developed and stuff.

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I had no idea he had a

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family, a full family.

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How about the kids being like, no, we're not coming to your wedding to be pawns, like, to make you look good on a TV show when you're never around. I gave his daughter a lot of credit.

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And they love. But they love villainizing the Kardashians lot. Like, what did she do?

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Like, if What?

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No, they just were like, what did Khloe do to him? That was what they always said. You don't think she did to him and stay in the hospital for him?

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I didn't realize. Even when they got out of the hospital, he lived with her, and she, like, rehabilitated him. And then she caught him doing drugs again. Like, she was like, you have a wherewithal enough to get a phone, contact a drug dealer and get drugs? Like, whenever men say, like, oh, well, we're just men. We don't think of these little details. That's a great example. Well, you figured out how to get a phone and contact any drug dealer.

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I'm also still. I was gonna say reading the audiobook of strangers, which I don't know if you should. You'd be so pissed. Like, you'd, like, punch a wall and break a nail, which I don't want that for you, but she has this, like, Gwyneth Paltrow, waspy monotone voice that is really good to play right before you go to sleep. So I was playing it last night. She. She's heartbroken by this marriage of 20 years that fell. Is fall apart, and he just walked out for no reason. And there's more tea to it, obviously, which I recommend you listen on your own. But she said something incredible. She goes, I'm looking around the apartment after he'd taken all his stuff away, and she goes, And I'd been reminded of him in so many ways and how our lives intertwined together. And then I looked around and I realized everything in the apartment was mine. The art, the books, the furniture, the stuff I bought for my kids. She goes, was he ever there?

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No, I just got chilled. There's nothing.

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Okay.

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One of my. This is so page coded, too. One of my, like, things that will make me infuriated is, like, when we break up, don't keep wearing the clothes that I picked out. Like, that was a Persona I gave you. Stop wearing the clothes I picked out and bought and acting like you put that outfit together. Enough with you. Like, truly enough. Oh, God.

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I. But shout out to my husband, who I love dearly, we are having a little bit of a fight because we're really not. You know this middle spring weather where it's, like, hot and then it's cold.

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You guys aren't aligned.

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Yesterday I was watching tv, and suddenly I. I got, like, overstimulated, and I'm like, it's fucking 100 degrees in here. He's like, what are you talking About. And I'm like, I'm. It's hell. I'm living in hell right now. And he's like, what are you talking about? And I go, what is the temperature? And I go, and this motherfucker has it on Celsius because he's trying to confuse me.

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No, he. That I would.

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But, you know, my thing is, I don't give a fuck what number it is. I know I want it at 21. And he keeps moving it to 24. I don't know what 24 means, but I know it's too hot. So then I go, and I see it's at 24 when I know I put it at 21 earlier in the day. So I go up to him, I said, you sneaky. You sneaky sneak. And he starts laughing. He goes, you don't even know what 24 is. And I go, I don't care. It's too hot.

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Wait, what is it?

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I don't know.

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Wait, I need to know.

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He's putting it at 24 Celsius. What is 24 Celsius? Because whatever it is, it's too hot. What is? And then I put it to 21. And then I come back and he's so dramatic. He puts on 75. Okay, that's what. So then I put it to. I put it to 22. And then he. I come back in the room, he thinks he's funny. He puts on a coat and he puts on. Because he says, I'm freezing.

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Oh, he'd hate my house.

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But this is my thing. I can't sleep in the heat like that. So we're in this, like, war where I keep changing it and then he keeps changing and then I keep changing it and then he keeps changing it.

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And pray for us if it's over 70. I'm premenopausal. I think, like, I can't. I literally can't. I'm like, I'll freak out. I'm like, I'm having a hot flash. Like, I know in the middle of

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just watching tv, I go, I can't do this anymore.

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Well, you know what happened to me? I saw one time somewhere that someone said, it's really good for your skin to sleep in 65 degree weather at night. And so I'm 65.

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Yep. And I'm a sweaty person, maybe.

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Okay, if I'm going to bed, I'm putting it at 65. When I wake up, maybe I'm pressing it up to 68. If it's a really cold day, I'm going 70. But I'm. My home is never over 70 degrees.

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And that's how I want an Italian's home to be. Cold, perfectly cleaned. Smells like Lysol.

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Yep. I love when we're out to eat and you say those dangerous words. Can I say one more thing?

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We'll literally talk for hours. And that's why I'm so excited that bottomless apps are back for 9.99 at Buffalo Wild Wings. And you know what that means.

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What does mean?

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Bottomless yaps.

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Wait, that's really cute.

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I know.

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And there's nothing we love more than talking about something that happened 10 years ago and just, like, recalibrating it, getting new information.

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This literally happened yesterday. I was like, hey, can I bring up this story that I've brought up to you many times? And you said, that's what I'm here for.

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Look at it from a new perspective. I'm. I'm 33 now.

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Also, I hate when you're, like, yapping and then you run out of food and you're yapping goes past. You're apping Buffalo Wild Wings. Their mozzarella sticks and their fried pickles are perfect. But at Buffalo Wild Wings, they call it M sticks, which makes it even cuter.

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Cute.

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Before I let you eat the stick, I need to make sure that it.

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It pulls apart.

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It pulls apart the right way. So let's see. Let's watch. We got the camera.

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Yes, honey, yes. Wait, that looks so good. Wait, I need.

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Oh, oh.

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Like, I'm sorry. Fried cheese. Yeah. Never misses, ever.

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Like, our conversations always hits now. Have you ever had a fried pickle before? I have fried pickles I think are for the girls. I love that you just immediately went for the sauce. You didn't even think twice.

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Oh, wow. A little kick.

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A little kick.

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If I'm going out to eat and someone says, let's just do apps and share a bunch of you're my friend for life.

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Know when someone's like, could we just throw in one more app?

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Throw it in.

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Let's add one more thing to the conversation. And one more app. Bottomless apps for $9.99 are back at Buffalo Wild Wings.

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Hell, yeah.

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Okay, let's talk some more, but this time over some onion rings and chips and salsa. So crispy.

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Don't get me started with a chip and a salsa.

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We never get bored about making the same jokes. Cause, like, if a joke works, it's a classic.

[A]

Sorry, I'm gonna do it to everyone I know, even if they're not Even

[B]

in on the joke.

[A]

It's like an outfit. If you haven't worn it in front of someone, certain people, that's a new outfit.

[B]

And if they don't get it, you go, sorry, you had to be there. You win every time.

[A]

Yeah. You know, sometimes I go onion ring over fries.

[B]

That's like your freaky side coming out. Also, onions are a vegetable.

[A]

Salsa is a salad. This is a bowl of salad.

[B]

This is really good. Like the seasoning. The. To the chef. There's so many good things about the wild wings besides just the wings.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And lastly, I ordered the hatch queso and more fried pickles for you.

[A]

Thank you so much. You know what? I love something mini. So, like, when there's a mini pickle.

[B]

Adorable.

[A]

Adorable. Get in my mouth.

[B]

Oh, I could drink that like soda. Chug it. We also never get sick of making fun of each other. I'll make the same jokes about your small little fingers. I mean, you're thin.

[A]

Mom.

[B]

Yeah. How dare you?

[A]

Your small, thin, gorgeous fingers. And I like making fun of you about just, like, any shoe choice or just any choice.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Can I be a hypocrite for a second?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I'm really enjoying this show that DEZ recommended. Now, Des and I also don't. It's hard for us to align on a show that we both love. Love on the spectrum. That's like our thing. DTF St. Louis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When Des first brought this up to me, I said, this sounds like a

[A]

local cop show my brother told me to watch.

[B]

I said, I don't like the title. It sounds stupid. It's on hbo. I said, okay, Jason Bateman and then David Harbour. Who?

[A]

T. I love Jason Bateman. I love his humor. Jason Bateman is always playing Jason Bateman.

[B]

Jason Bateman is. Jason is the Jennifer Aniston. Aniston of men. Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I love how I've been literally saying, does David harbor mean nothing to you?

[A]

No. Lily Allen.

[B]

Oh, Lily doesn't mean nothing.

[A]

Wow. He'd be so pissed to hear that sentence. Does David.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's my thing. If the roles were reversed and Lily Allen had, like, cheated on him and, like, ruined their marriage, whatever, would she be starring in an HBO show like, three months after that?

[A]

Well, you have to remember that it was probably filmed before yes. So they're not. Not.

[B]

I wonder if they, like, held it for a bit.

[A]

The only time I feel like people have standards on the Internet is with women. With women.

[B]

Yeah. Standards is a strong word. It's more like projection.

[A]

Yeah. Like, nobody loves a woman's wrong more than a woman. No. It's kind of crazy. Okay, let's talk about my tablescape.

[B]

I was waiting, but anyway, we've done the niceties.

[A]

Let's talk about my tablescape.

[B]

Now that the non gigglers are gone.

[A]

No, literally, now that there's no non gigglers. My mom was so proud of me. She. I didn't tell her about the bunny chairs because I wanted her to be surprised. And she was like, very nice detail. I don't know how people host and also cook.

[B]

I don't know how people host, also cook and then socialize.

[A]

Thanksgiving is such a big deal for our family because we host a Thanksgiving Eve party, which is now the count is up to, like, 50 people. So my mom.

[B]

Anyone who's who in Albany.

[A]

It's the who's who of. Of my dad's phone book. Okay. It truly is. My mom has that catered. She has, like, bartenders, but she stays up until everybody leaves. So at like, 1am she's up, she's cleaning up from it. Then she wakes up the next morning at like, 7:00am Starts Thanksgiving, cooks all of Thanksgiving, hosts another, like, 15 to 20 people. I was. People got there at 10:00am I was exhausted by 11:30, Paige. By 11:30, I was like, okay, let's wrap this up.

[B]

Well, when did you have it? How did you set it up? Like, what time in the morning?

[A]

Tables and chairs got delivered at 8. So I decorated from, like, 8 to 9. And then I got ready from 9 to 10.

[B]

And you.

[A]

Food got delivered at 9.

[B]

You told us to come at 10am Which I thought was. Was early. Yes, it was early. And Des and I got a little nervous, so I. My alarm went off at 9. Felt like the middle of the night. I was. I was.

[A]

It was Christmas morning diced into my hair.

[B]

Just was asking me about his shirt. We. We were the first ones to write gifts. We brought gifts.

[A]

You brought chocolate cover or chocolate bunnies?

[B]

Yes, chocolate bunnies. Some champagne.

[A]

And I think the biggest revelation of the day was my dad falling in love with dez. I mean, he offended you A couple times. My dad literally looked at Hannah and goes, this guy's really funny. You should take him on tour. Hannah goes, fuck you.

[B]

Well, he goes, yeah, you know, Des and I just Understand each other. Like they have their own little sense of humor. And I said, gary, don't. Don't start with me right now. Don't start with me in this public gathering.

[A]

But somebody at Easter came up to me and goes, you have your dad's exact personality. I said, how dare you? How dare you come into my home and disrespect me like that? I go, that guy's fucking out of his mind. They were like, you look like your mom, but you act like your dad. I was like, get out.

[B]

That's. I'm the same way, except I kind of look like my dad. Yeah, but DEZ and I, we were there to entertain.

[A]

No, my mom literally was like, I feel like you hired Hannah.

[B]

You hired two professional comedians to dabble in small talk.

[A]

And you guys were moving around.

[B]

You were moving around the room.

[A]

You were doing different jokes at different stations.

[B]

Yes, well, people have different types of humor that we need. He was. And I was telling him which stories to tell. I said, des, tell this. Sorry about the time he's coming in.

[A]

You guys were working off of each other. Hire Hannah and Jazz for your next bar Bat mitzvah. A sweet 16.

[B]

You had an outfit change into your pajamas.

[A]

Yeah, I had to.

[B]

Everyone saw the look from every angle. And then you went upstairs.

[A]

I was like, I have to take my heels.

[B]

Came back in gorgeous pajamas. Des and I left around. I mean, it was 10. We left at like two, like four hours. And when I tell you I didn't even pee during that time. I was yelling, yap, yap, yapping. I took a three hour nap, Hannah.

[A]

Everyone was out by three. I fell asleep for like an hour.

[B]

I woke up, didn't know what planet I was on. I said, and DEZ was like, we were a hit. But it clearly was. He took too much out of you. I Woke up at 6pm My mom's like, hello, you have a family. Happy Easter.

[A]

No, you guys did such good work.

[B]

Well, Kim, afterwards was like, you guys were so entertaining. You got to so entertain. I said, thank you, Kim. That's all we wanted. No, it was so fun to be happy. But it was so fun. Cuz I felt like you made the perfect energy. The aura was so right.

[A]

Thank you. You want to know what it was? My feng shui.

[B]

Your feng shui was perfect.

[A]

I felt like my feng shui. Everything worked. You rounded the corner, you could go outside. There's drinks over here. I was really particular about the feng shui because I almost put the tables outside, but then I was like, it might be too hot. What if it rains a little? It's windy. And so then I did it inside, and I felt like. Turned out it was.

[B]

Yeah. Because there was never one place where people were too crowded. Do you enjoy hosting, or was this just performative or both performative? Like, are you.

[A]

No, I actually do this. No, I liked it because, well, Easter is fun because everything's, like, pink and baby blue and yellow. So I liked decorating for Easter. No, I'll definitely, like, host more because it was fun. I don't like being stuck in a conversation for too long. And when you're the host, I was

[B]

gonna say that it's so, so easy

[A]

to be like, I have to go say hi to this person.

[B]

Like, I have to go check on the church. I hope you're having a great time.

[A]

Anything.

[B]

Be like, oh, the croquettes.

[A]

I'm gonna start saying that when it doesn't even go, oh, sorry, my croquettes are burning.

[B]

At one point, you had so many tchotchkes around the house, I literally was like, you're about to be like, bring out the dancing lobsters. Like, it was so stimulating, but so fun. But also, you had.

[A]

Well, then halfway into it, I was like, why the didn't I hire an Easter bunny?

[B]

Well, Des was. Dez was. Would have done it if we pushed him a little further.

[A]

If I thought of it earlier, I would have had him do it. Also, holidays, having, like, kids around makes it so much better.

[B]

Well, yeah, because whenever you want to be out of a conversation, you're just like, oh, that kid's eating a shard of glass. Gotta go. Which they are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A gold jeans. I'm just obsessed with Revolve. You can't make a mistake.

[A]

And they also just introduced Revolve La, which is, like, their own brand, and it's so good. There's, like, this one white dress that, like, immediately sold out. That's, like, backless. And I'm like, really trying to get. As someone who plans their outfits and knows exactly what's coming up, I'm also obsessed with Revolve because I last minute panic, too, because I'm like, what if it's all wrong. And let me just get these things just in case. Yeah, the returns. Oh, that's what it is.

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That's what it is. They give you the label. You literally stork comes in and takes it.

[A]

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[A]

I recently just ordered this like Helsa yellow cardigan.

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

Also, you underestimated me.

[A]

For what?

[B]

There was a little baby. Yeah. And I took the little baby and you at first were like, oh my God, are you okay?

[A]

No, that wasn't me. That was the mom.

[B]

Mom was like, is your friend okay?

[A]

I was like, I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

I love how the mom just met me and immediately was like, don't know if I trust her with my child.

[A]

She's like, please don't touch my child.

[B]

Well, look, I make.

[A]

No, that baby loved you.

[B]

Yeah. Because I don't have Botox so I can make really funny faces. And the baby was loving. But then I had to get new material. Like, you know when you see a certain face too long, the baby's like, seen this one? So I had so much fun with the babies. But it's because of Shout Out Lois and Bobby that I feel comfortable holding a baby.

[A]

There was a moment where I was like, I can't wait to have a daughter. Because there was a little girl at my easter, she's like 4 years old and I took my heels off at one point before I changed out of my dress, just like popped my heels off and she looked at me. And she goes, what about your heels? And I was like, you know what? Yeah. I was like, hell, yeah, Georgina. I need to put my goddamn heels back on. This is a full outfit.

[B]

Georgina fully bullied you at your own party.

[A]

She goes, with a name like that, I expect it.

[B]

I put a hair on your pinky toe.

[A]

She's like, gross.

[B]

No, Georgina is gorgeous, and I love that name. Would read me to filth. Yeah. I was trying to avoid her because I kind of felt like she was gonna tear me apart. I was so scared of her. Talk about heels. Our women in Stem of the Week.

[A]

This is.

[B]

I don't have the username, but now

[A]

I, like, am on TikTok. I'm like, wow, that'd be a really good woman of the week.

[B]

Because people are starting to tag the girls and be like, did you know you were woman of Some of the week by Hannah Burner? And they were like, who is that and what's going on? Apparently, there's this thing that says Jessica Simpson heels are the most comfortable heels in the game. Now, I haven't bought them, so I don't know. And I don't want you guys just buying stuff without us testing it first, but these girls are like, I've worn these heels all day, and I still. Still feel good. So justice for Jessica Simpson.

[A]

Trying to think if I still have any Jessica Simpson heels.

[B]

Do you remember when she had her foot on all of our necks? It like, we were.

[A]

Is she a billionaire? She might be.

[B]

I don't know, but she. Do you remember her edible lotion?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's what started.

[A]

I feel like she was, like, one of. She doesn't get enough credit for being one of the first celebrities to, like, have a shoe line, have a. Like, she did all of those things.

[B]

She also so naturally beautiful.

[A]

I actually got fed on Tik Tok. Like, her. One of her music videos from, like, 2003. And when I was watching it, I didn't remember it until, like, I was fully. And I was like, wait, I do remember all of these scenes. I remember wanting to recreate that outfit. Like, she was such a pivotal pop star for me.

[B]

And it was at a time where, like, pretty women weren't allowed to be funny. So instead, they were just like, she's really dumb because she said dumb things, but she was just like, with Nick.

[A]

But in reality, she's probably one of the smartest pop stars because she capitalized off of it so well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Her. Jessica, she has everything. They make jewelry, they make bags.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anywho, we're big fans of her.

[B]

Anyway, shout out to Jessica Simpson. She's going through a divorce. So is she. She.

[A]

I think she went through it.

[B]

Well, she was with a hockey guy, so obviously.

[A]

Are you sure?

[B]

Yeah, I'm 100% sure.

[A]

Are you thinking of Carrie Underwood?

[B]

I've never thought about Carrie Underwood in my life. It's never cross my desk. And woman with STEM of the week runner up. Yes, this. I follow all these pages about, like, vintage finds.

[A]

It's funny that we have a woman of some of the weak. And then you added runner up as if we always had a runner up. We do.

[B]

Yeah. So she tells me, like, what to buy and stuff vintage online. And she said, you know, it's the best thing to do for art. Go to thrift shops and buy kids art for like $3. She goes, no one can tell it's kids art. Yeah, they all look like, really modern and cool and. And I'm like, that is so genius. So next time you see like, kids art, which is so sad though, like, what parent was like, fuck my kids doodles.

[A]

But I'm selling them.

[B]

Someone's trash is another woman's treasure. Not men. Just art. Yeah, just art. Anyway, any final thoughts on Easter? I want you to revel in this

[A]

really funny DMs from girls just being like, okay, love your look. It is giving Lego. But I did. And then I had this one girl, she was like, I'm not trying to be mean, but do you remember those candies when we were younger that came on like, the piece of paper?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they were like, the buttons.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

She was like, it's giving yellow like button candy.

[B]

By the way, those were so disgusting. Like, it tastes like actual cardboard. And we were like, you could taste

[A]

like paper was still on it.

[B]

I tasted the flavor. Like, it tasted like yellow.

[A]

Did you ever go through a phase where people said that you could eat the wrapper that gum comes in? Nevermind. Okay.

[B]

That was.

[A]

That was just my middle school. Never mind. Actually, I digress. I didn't either.

[B]

Me neither. I really.

[A]

There were a lot of times I was like, you can eat the paper. No, you can't.

[B]

I mean, I've heard you could eat the shrimp tail. Okay.

[A]

I would never.

[B]

I do.

[A]

I have been off shrimp for a couple of years.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I don't think I ever told the

[B]

meat of the ocean. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Like, I feel like I ate too much shrimp cocktail and then now I like, really can't look at it.

[B]

When were you exposed to so much shrimp cocktail? That you couldn't do it anymore.

[A]

Like, I went through a phase where, like, if it was on the menu, I was getting it as my appetite appetizer. Yeah. And I feel like I got it, like, 50 times in a row, and I just. Huh.

[B]

Also, shrimp cocktails. So cunty. They're like, this is gonna be in a cocktail. Cocktail glass. And we're only giving you four. Yeah.

[A]

And, like, cocktail sauce.

[B]

Yeah. With a little Worcestershire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How do you say it?

[A]

Worcestershire.

[B]

Worcestershire. Worcestershire.

[A]

Kitty was so, like, I didn't tell her that we were having a party.

[B]

Not happy.

[A]

And so she was like, okay. Like, I wasn't aware that there was an assignment. Like, so she was.

[B]

Forgot to tell her.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't tell her. And so she's so my cat. Because when she hides, she will only hide in my closet. The only place she feels comfortable is surrounded by YSL heels, you know? And so she gets in, like, the corner of my closet.

[B]

She's praying to Prada.

[A]

No, literally praying to Prada. She was like, they'll never find me behind the long hanging dresses. And we did it, and I didn't. And then, like, when people left, she crept out of my closet, and I was like, you gorgeous, gorgeous girl.

[B]

Kitty does love people. I just want to, like, defend her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just kids energy. Like, the kids were chasing her, and she was like, okay. Like, I don't be hunted down on a scene.

[A]

She's like, actually, I don't want to wear a crown right now.

[B]

It's the Lord's day. The funniest thing about cats is they will literally the second they hear the door close, if people leave that they don't. Like, they come out. Yeah. They know exactly the energy and exactly who's leaving. Like, they're like small doses with us.

[A]

She was like, my mom's napping somewhere. I must find her.

[B]

Yes. Another documentary. Which is. It's heavy. It's heavy. And I don't. I don't want to. I don't know how I'm gonna say it without ruining what happened, by the way. You guys, these are documentaries. I'm not giving away the ending. They've happened already again. But fast forward if you don't want to hear this. It's and Netflix about untold Maura Wilson. Why do people who die, why are they always the most spectacular people in the world?

[A]

Well, set the scene for us.

[B]

She was a skier, so. And then she got injured, so I felt connected to her, but she was, like, going to be professional. Heard her acl became a biker. Of course. She's like gorgeous, funny, probably does charity every day. Like she's perfect. And she gets involved with a man. She's 25 again, brain not fully formed. And the man has an on again, off again girlfriend. And him and this girlfriend were known. People always said, oh yeah, the girl that he never introduces to anyone. Which, by the way, I don't know if you've ever been that girl. I was that girl once with this guy who like thought he was the

[A]

shit interesting in a group.

[B]

He like never introduced me and I remember even, and I'm vocal.

[A]

Like, never introduced you.

[B]

Like when he was with his coworkers or whatever it was. It was very like.

[A]

But you were there, like invited you, but wasn't like, this is my girlfriend Hannah.

[B]

Like, they're just talking like. And you're literally like, oh, I'm a plant. Like they're not treating you like you're human. And Yes, I was 25 at the time. And yes, I was like, he was like important or something. But I remember feeling weird about it. Like once I remember he brought me somewhere and I was cracking some jokes and when we got back he goes, you were pretty confident back there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I remember thinking like, oh, this is not the man for me. So this girl starts seeing this guy who was an on off girlfriend, but he's like, I'm single. But then he stops responding to her, blocks her at one point and she moves on. But then he reaches out to her again. He's basically wishy washy and clearly lying to both girls.

[A]

Do you have a moment when you date people that you're like. There's a moment where you're like, yeah, I hate you.

[B]

It's funny with guys I've actually dated, dated, like full on relationship. I don't. I haven't really hated any of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because by the time I've. I've like learned who they are as people, I feel like they're good guys. It's more the like situationship ones that I'm like, oh, you're sick.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

We're guys I've fully dated. I'm not even sad at the end because I'm like, I've seen all of you and I understand this isn't right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But situationships, you're like, oh, I've made you into something you're not. You're actually the complete opposite. And I'm mad at myself for giving you the benefit of the doubt. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like every time I Realize I hate them. It's all, like, a similar situation. And it's that, like, wow, you were really, like, talkative with the group or something. Or, like, you were really. One time a guy told. I asked him. I forget what we were even doing. And I asked him, like, oh, was that okay to say? And I remember him saying, like, well, you just, like, talked over everyone, and everyone noticed it, and I could tell that everyone was getting really pissed. And I remember being like, oh, my God, really? And then, like, asking someone and the girl being like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, no, no one thought that. And then me realizing in that moment where I was like, wow, I actually fucking hate you.

[B]

They're trying to make you smaller. Yeah, they're trying to make you. They're trying to dim your light, as I like to say. So, long story short, this is the part you can fast forward. She gets murdered, and it's not the guy. It's a girlfriend.

[A]

Wait, I actually stopped listening his on and off again.

[B]

Girlfriend murder.

[A]

Murdered her. The old girlfriend murdered the new girlfriend.

[B]

And she wasn't even new girlfriend. It was basically like, this guy was kind of lying to both of them. And one of the girls was clearly not mentally well.

[A]

No. Like, I don't say it lightly. Picking the wrong guy can kill you.

[B]

Yeah, it could.

[A]

Literally, like, they're also like, there are so many studies where women get into relationships and, like, develop autoimmune diseases. Like, it truly can kill you.

[B]

It was funny because I was thinking about the Manosphere documentary and how they made a documentary about these men making other men hate women. And then I'm like, is there gonna be a googly squad documentary about how we told all the girls they're gonna get autoimmune diseases if they talk to men? No.

[A]

Because you want to know what?

[B]

We're raising awareness.

[A]

In any type of society, there's, like, a oppressor and the oppressed. And there's, like, a whole thing about if you're the oppressed, you know every single thing about who's oppressing you. So us being like, also, we don't hate all men. We, like, are in relationships. We have sex with them. Like, we love men.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But being aware and knowing. It's the whole thing of, like, we have to do all of these things to protect ourselves from them. But we, like, a perfect example is, like, the Bonnie Blue, like, the girl that does all the, like, rage bait and, like, has sex with a million guys in one day or whatever. Never once do. Is there ever an article. Like, well, who are the guys? Like, who are the guys that are standing in line to have sex with this one girl?

[B]

Also, if a guy had sex with 100 women in a day, he'd be literally have a sculpture that's just like

[A]

a football player in college. Like, that's just like the captain of some team somewhere. Like, that's just. I don't even know the Bonnie Blue stuff. Like, I. Again, because I don't know, like, streamers or like, any of that. But I know that we've once identified one man that's had sex with her. Like, I'd like to see all of their pictures.

[B]

Anyway, I don't know how we got. I feel like this episode has gotten, like, kind of deep and stuff, but I kind of like it. So I'm. I'm add on to it. I was thinking about, well, I use

[A]

the word oppressed and let's go.

[B]

We can't go back. We got to lean in. Lean in. Hashtag lean in.

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[B]

I was thinking about how I love being in my 30s, and I try to put words to why my 20s is hard. So girls in their 20s listening could, like, be easier on themselves.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I realize I am a perfectionist. I know I'm a type B perfectionist, so it's weird.

[A]

You're a 100% a perfectionist.

[B]

Thank you. I have a little Virgo in my chart, and no one talks about it.

[A]

You get very, like, detailed, oriented. You're like, what if we cut the clip two seconds? Pr. I'm like, shut up.

[B]

Just post it. Paige, like, Paige, like, says yes to everything. And I'm like, we need to stop 01 seconds before this joke ends. Yeah, but I was thinking about, as a perfectionist in my twenties, every single thing that happened to me when it wouldn't go right, I was so upset and down on myself. And then I realized, like, the reason I love my 30s is because I've made all the mistakes already. So I'm not scared of making the mistakes because I'm like, oh, I've done this and I've messed up and it's gone well. So. And I also know the answer to things now because I've made the mistakes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So in your 20s, you don't know the answers.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So as a perfectionist in your 20s, when something happens to you, you go, I don't know this. And you try calling your mom, you try googling it. But it takes until your 30s to be to know the answer to things and actually feel good about where your 20s, you feel bad because you made mistakes.

[A]

I think the biggest difference for me when I from 20s to 30s is 20s, I always thought I was stupid. Like, I would always just be like, well, obviously I'm not as smart as that person. Or like, that person definitely knows way more than I do about whatever the situation is. Then when I got into my 30s, I feel like I was like, everyone's stupid. Wait, you're really. You're actually the dumb one, and I'm 10 times smarter than you. I was just a little bit more insecure about it.

[B]

Any guy that says he's smart is dumb. Any guy that says he's a good guy is a bad guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyone who tries to tell you they're something is the opposite.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So true. Also, like, this has nothing to do with it, but I'm so fucking sick of the term girls girl. If we can never say it again. That would be great.

[B]

It's kind of like girls weaponizing other girls in a way.

[A]

It's just like another way to be like, she's actually not a girl's girl. Actually, she is a girl's girl. It's like, what's the definition of it even anymore? Like, because to me, it was, like, just being nice to girls, and now it's like. But actually, if you go back, there's like, it's just. I can't. I hate the phrase now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I, like, can't see it anymore.

[B]

Yeah. And I think our podcast, people who love Giggly Squad are girls who love making other girls laugh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And love the commonality of joking and

[A]

girlhood and having things in common. Yeah.

[B]

And having things in common. And I really realized, if you don't have girls in your life that make you laugh, like, what do you do? Try to connect with men. That sucks.

[A]

I haven't connected with a man in years. If my good guy friends didn't get married, I probably still. I wouldn't still be friends with them. I feel like. No, like, I feel like when my. Any, like, friendship I had with a male in my twenties is now such a different relationship because they're married and I am so much closer to their wives.

[B]

Another thing that's hard about making friends, though, in your 30s is you have to start the story from the beginning, if that makes sense. Like, it's kind of fun. But when you have a new friend but in your 30s, you're like, which chapter do we even start on? Like, you need to get multiple drinks to, like, give your lore. I mean, our lore is like, I can't even. I don't know if I can start over with someone. I need to.

[A]

I don't want anything.

[B]

Send them to someone to, like, give them the briefing before they get to me. One thing. I like listening to rap music. Wow, what a change in direction as driven women.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nobody talks about it. Like, rappers about, as you get successful, how many people start lying about you, coming for you, being mean to you, bullying you. And, like, only rappers talk about it. Pop stars are like, love, love. But rappers are like, literally, no one came from my neck until I started making money funny like that. And I'm literally like, the amount of lies other girls can make up about you when you're doing well is so scary and crazy. So how about this?

[A]

Well, because girls are so smart, so they're like, I know that people will hate her if they think this about her. And so then they say it. If a Man's gonna make up a rumor about you. It's gonna be like, she had sex with. And it's like, okay, like, good one. Where, like, if a girl's gonna make up a rumor about you, it's layered. She's done research. She's like, yeah, it's different.

[B]

And then you. You can't address it.

[A]

No. Like, bullying in an office setting is next level.

[B]

Next level, next level. And even, like, places that you didn't think, like, nurses. I've heard horrible stories. No teachers.

[A]

The nurse lore. I would actually love a reality show based around that would be insane.

[B]

They'd be like, this character is dead.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

No.

[A]

Think about what a good. Like. Okay. Because people, like, love the pit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They love.

[B]

Like, is it Girl Coded, though?

[A]

Like, Ray's Anatomy. Like, I. I also love a medical show. Like, you feel smarter when you watch it. That's how I feel about Law and Order. I'm like, I'm a lawyer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But nurses have. Well, nurses get such a bad rep, too. Like, oh, nurses are so bitchy. And, like. Well, they're tired.

[B]

They haven't slept for years.

[A]

And I think that they would have such a good reality show or even, like, a scripted show where it's. But it's just about. But how would they do it?

[B]

They'd be like. Producers would be like, hey, can you start a fight with someone? And she'd be like, yeah, that girl needs an IV or she's gonna die. Like, start a fight.

[A]

No, they don't have to start a fight. But, like, how good would it be if they're. They're getting into it about something? It's like, okay, well, you didn't fill the chart out right. It's like, okay, well, maybe I didn't have to do your work. And then it's like, someone's coding in the other room. They're like, like, we'll get back to this later on.

[B]

Yeah. And then it's a cliffhanger next episode. Does she live or die?

[A]

Yeah. And I think there's, like, hierarchy in nurses.

[B]

Yeah. There is the new one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The new nurse. Well, we watched that whole thing about a documentary about how all the nurses try to blame one of the nurses for, like, killing people.

[A]

Oh, that baby. Yeah, when we watched that. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That was dark.

[A]

In British. In British.

[B]

Was it in. Oh, yeah, it was in England. It was in England.

[A]

They were speaking in British.

[B]

I can't believe. You know, we've never been to England together.

[A]

Is that crazy?

[B]

Or Italy.

[A]

We've all. The only time we've been outside of the country together is Canada. We've never been on a vacation together. Wait, we've never vacationed together.

[B]

I mean, every day with you is a vacation. But I actually was thinking about how I want to go to Sicily with you.

[A]

Yeah, I would love that.

[B]

I was talking to Kim about it. You don't have to come. But Kim and I are going to.

[A]

Why don't you just come on our. That is one thing I will say about my family. My holidays and my vacations are like, just come like anyone.

[B]

You guys are very welcoming.

[A]

Like, we've met you guys three times. Come on our vacation. My mom has always been really big on, like, each holiday is unique. Like, not every holiday is going to be the same. It's not going to always be the same people. So, like, random holidays, we will have random people. And they might not come next year, and they might not have been there the year before. But my Italy trip has truly turned into, if you're in Italy, come have dinner with us. As if we're like. Like, Taylor is coming on my trip. Sierra came last summer and probably again this summer.

[B]

You've had many Luchos coming on my random boys in and out. My dad loved when I brought guys to, like, Shelter island because he would do the boyfriend Olympics.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you think it's a joke. It's not. He would just at one point be like, you want to throw a ball outside? And the guy would be like, okay. And they'd start with football, and then they throw a baseball around. And then next, you know, they're doing time sprints, they're doing jumping verticals. He's bring him to the beach. They're racing, they're throwing. Then they're throwing the frisbee in the

[A]

water for doing a decathlon.

[B]

And then my dad. And then my dad is literally like, he made it or he didn't. And somebody.

[A]

Well, are you going to be able to protect my daughter of the world ends? Yes or no? Let's find out in the backyard.

[B]

Like, this is also why I love, like, big men, is because I can throw a football. And I cannot explain to you guys how it feels to. I don't know how it feels to be with a man who can't throw a ball farther than you, but it's annoying.

[A]

Have you ever dated a guy that doesn't like. Like sports?

[B]

No. Even when I dated a musician, he was like. He was like an athlete, too. But I'm annoying. Like, I'm. I really Am annoying with the sports guys. I've never dated a poet. I don't date fucking. No. I don't date any where. They're just poets running Brooklyn in Brooklyn. I've never dated. I don't date the skinny, like, artsy dudes. I've never dated a guy who was, like, tatted up unless it was, like, cool for his sport or, like, he had a random cross because he, like, needed it to win the football game.

[A]

I've dated a couple of guys that don't watch sports. And what do they talk about? Not to sound, like, misogynistic. I really don't. I do prefer a guy that watches sports.

[B]

There's something about, like, their brain needs to be focused on something of structure or they're. They're philanderers.

[A]

Well, it's kind of like. It's kind of like babysitting, where you're like, there's a game on tonight. Perfect. Oh, my God, he's gonna be occupied. The Mets are seven to nine, 30.

[B]

The Mets are four hours. And, like, it's literally like he puts

[A]

himself in the room. Yep. I'm like, what if we turned down the game and I got you a snack?

[B]

Put him down.

[A]

Sat down. And we were just quiet.

[B]

Turn on the game. Put him down. And. Yeah, he's good.

[A]

I don't want you to have a lot in common with me.

[B]

It's less important that you have things in common. More important that you have the same sense of humor about it. Yeah, that's the tea. I also.

[A]

I need someone that's not afraid to make fun of me. A lot of my boyfriends are scared of me.

[B]

So, like, I need someone I need

[A]

to, like, who's not afraid to be

[B]

like, why do I feel like I need to sit them down and tell them how to, like, rip you to shreds?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that's in a charming way. Like, God forbid.

[A]

God forbid. We had a little back and forth.

[B]

I don't remember a moment that I didn't make fun of you. Like, I'm like, the first day I met you.

[A]

Because it's like, do you even care about me if you're not making fun of me? Like, no. Because it's a level of comfortability where it's like, yeah, I can say that to her. Obviously, she's not gonna get offended by.

[B]

It takes me knowing about you and remembering details about you to make fun of you, which means I care. Period.

[A]

Yes. Done. That's what it is.

[B]

Can I say one thing about football Is going to piss you off?

[A]

Fine.

[B]

This girl on TikTok said that football games are actually only 11 to 18 minutes of actual playing. And the rest is commercials and just like fucking around because they need to give people enough time to make bets and to just like consume. Like to eat food and to order stuff and to watch commercials. These guys are. I mean, yes, it is like they're getting hit by a car all the time and they're never going to be able to like, think the same because they have CD, but it's really 11 to 18 minutes of actual play.

[A]

And they act like it's just saving

[B]

the world and not to shout out tennis, but like, these men are playing three out of five sets just out there for five hours.

[A]

Even like, baseball is like 8 million

[B]

hours long, but they're not really moving a lot. Soccer, they just add random time at the end of the game because, like, you guys haven't ran enough. There's four more minutes. Go.

[A]

Wow, that's very interesting about football.

[B]

Very interesting.

[A]

So it's all just to sell things during the game. I mean, if you think about it, if you ever go to like a stadium, it's all ads all the way around.

[B]

It's all capitalism.

[A]

It's all capitalism.

[B]

I want to apologize to the academy because I actually am really annoying about talking about des this episode. I never do this. If you're a non giggler, like, enough with this guy. I never do this. But he has a really funny joke that I need to tell and I'm going to butcher it. But he talks about how I'm gonna butcher. Okay. Going down on a girl is kind of like the end of a basketball game. Like when she says she's about to come. It's like a basketball game saying, there's only two minutes left. There's actually not two minutes left and it's gonna take forever. So shout out to men in sports and men in the bedroom. I hope you give women actual orgasms.

[A]

Wait, I was talking to one of my girlfriends. Actually, she's not. She's one of my girlfriends.

[B]

Girlfriends important.

[A]

Yeah. So she's like my friend in law school. She was my friend in law. So I like, I don't really know her, but I was with one of my friends and she was there, whatever. And she was talking about she had just recently broken up with her boyfriend. I was like, oh, my God, like what? Just like asking normal questions about it. And I don't know how one does, but we got on the topic of like, well, how was your sex? Like, was it Good or not. And she was like, no. Like, I never came. Not once. Like, I used to fake it a lot. Mind you, this girl is. I think she was maybe like 26, 25, 26, whatever. And no, literally. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, did you ever talk to him about it? Or, like, did you ever have conversations, like, did he know you weren't coming or did he know you were ever faking it? And she was like, yes, one time I didn't fake it. And he. And I was like, oh, I didn't come or something. And he said like, yeah, all my girlfriends, like, have a really hard time coming.

[B]

And I was like, the gaslighter of the century. God. He's like, for some reason, I'm attracted to girls that don't know how to come.

[A]

Yeah. He, like, put it all out. He was like, yeah, something weird happens and, like, they have a really hard. And I was like, why would he say that? Why would he admit that?

[B]

Have you ever hooked up with a guy and immediately when he's like, yeah, I had a girlfriend for, like, six years. And you're like, oh, you never made her come?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And in your 20s, at least, like, it's less embarrassing to be like, hey, that's my thigh. Once you hear, stop moving. But when a guy's in his 30s, you start to be like, holy shit. Like, no, girl. Somehow girls, when you get to the

[A]

point where you're closing your eyes and picturing someone else. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, maybe I should leave.

[B]

Or you're just like, hey, let mama handle this. You're like, mentally, I have to shift into a new stratosphere right now because this continuum is like, look, some Della

[A]

effect is happening, but I have to leave my present body, go somewhere else. I'll be back in three seconds.

[B]

What's it called? They say that you could, like, levitate. You can go to a different realm or something. That's what girls do all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your friends, especially your best friend's boyfriend or husband, that is your co worker. That is so.

[A]

And he works remote. Not only is he my.

[B]

You don't know what he does. You've heard from her what he's like in the office. Yep. But you're not in meetings with him.

[A]

We're not on.

[B]

Yeah, we're not at the water. At the water.

[A]

At the water. Fountain.

[B]

Fountain.

[A]

You see him passing, like, going to the bathroom.

[B]

You can tell if he's, like, in a mood or not. But that's pretty much it. And then when you leave the company you never speak to him again.

[A]

He's also like, kind of similar to like, like your aunt's husband that she divorced but still comes to holidays. Like, he's also kind of like that family member where it's like we don't see him a lot, but he's part of our family. But not blood related.

[B]

Yes. And you know that he could get fired at any moment. Yeah. And that's.

[A]

And if you've never saw him again or talk to him wouldn't affect anything.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. 100. 100. Well, I'm glad we figured that out, you guys. Thank you so much for giggling with us. I have my last weekend of tour going to North Carolina. I know. This weekend, North Carolina. Two more shows if you're in North Carolina, I'll see you there.

[A]

Just North Carolina.

[B]

Just North Carolina.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

How are you? Bye.

[A]

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