Giggling about butt pads, lawyers, and lisps

Summary

Giggly Squad: "Giggling about butt pads, lawyers, and lisps"

Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Date: February 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Hannah and Paige are joined by Des and Gary, diving into their signature mix of humor and candid conversation on everything from reality TV drama and fashion hacks (butt pads and bob haircuts) to the realities of dating, aging, and being a woman in the public eye. The conversation zigzags from pop culture critiques—like Tyra Banks’ recent documentary—to generational differences, personal boundaries, and the importance of owning your narrative, all delivered with the classic "Giggly Squad" unfiltered sass.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fashion & Self-Expression: Clips, Feathers, and Butt Pads

• Amazon Prime "Quick Fixes"
  • Paige raves about Amazon Prime for last-minute gift buying and impulse fashion inspiration (00:00).
• Gen Z Influence
  • Bob haircuts and hair clips sparked by Gen Z trends (02:16, 02:28).
• Newsletter Fashion Picks
  • Hannah mentions adding hair feathers to their newsletter, embracing "main character energy"—the spirit of trying “random” accessories until you regret it (02:52).
• Butt Pads & Shapewear
  • In a closing gag, Hannah shares plans to use a Skims butt pad for an upcoming red carpet, inviting Des to try it too for fun (59:15).

“Imagine me with a butt pad. We can go to my apartment, you could try it on.” – Hannah (59:23)

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2. Reality TV Critiques: Tyra Banks, America's Next Top Model & Love is Blind

• Tyra Banks Documentary
  • Hannah and Des dissect Tyra's image in a recent documentary, calling out perceived inauthenticity and the lack of accountability over past reality TV manipulations (04:03–10:28).
• Behind the Scenes of Reality TV
  • Both hosts share their own experiences with manipulative producers, highlighting the emotional aftermath for participants (06:32–07:44).
  • Emphasize the lack of social media during early 2000s reality TV, leaving contestants voiceless and “invisible” post-show (10:45–11:18).
• Modern Dating Shows: Love is Blind
  • Observations on shifting expectations: men wanting to be chased, unattractiveness double standards, and the lack of name labels on reality show participants (11:32–14:37).

“They didn’t have Instagram. …She just had to go back to Walgreens and she could not have a voice." – Des (10:46)

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3. Dating, Standards & Self-Respect

• Dating Up, Down, and Setting the Bar
  • Candid talk about the dangers of "dating down" and the value of admiring your partner. Advice includes always maintaining high expectations and zero tolerance for disrespect (16:21–17:34).
  • Paige shares wisdom from her grandmother: Would you be proud if your son was exactly like your boyfriend? (16:40)
• Influencer Culture & Men Online
  • They break down "red flags" of men who want too much visibility on your Instagram, and why true partners maintain privacy and support off the grid (50:07–51:46).
• Generational Shifts in Women’s Agency
  • Celebrate younger Giggly Squad listeners who are empowered to leave relationships not serving them: "No girl has ever broken up with a guy and regretted it." (47:21–48:01)
• Marriage, Motherhood, and Public Perception
  • Fears and realities of losing respect (and career momentum) after marriage or motherhood, calling for the normalization of being multifaceted women (49:03–49:40).

"If you have high expectations, that’s what you’ll get. If you have low expectations, that’s what you’ll get." – Hannah (58:06)

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4. Pop Culture, Legal Drama, and Nepo Babies

• Viral Moments: Tom Brady vs. Logan Paul
  • Recap of a viral post-Super Bowl exchange: Tom Brady dismisses Logan Paul's "athlete" credentials, drawing laughs and empathy (28:54–29:50).
• Wagatha Christie Scandal
  • Des gives a dramatic rundown of the British WAGs (wives and girlfriends of athletes) Instagram leak and subsequent legal battle—paranoia, detective work, public call-outs, and the real cost of revenge (30:18–38:09).

"She thought she was getting justice... and the next three years of my life were the worst years of my life and millions of dollars spent in legal fees." – Des (38:07)

• Nepo Babies Revelation
  • Discuss the phenomenon of “random” Nepo babies (children of celebrities), with Lily Collins (Phil Collins’ daughter) as a surprise to some (40:05–40:26).

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5. Generational Differences & Mentorship

• Life Advice for Gen Z
  • Hannah encourages a Gen Z college mentee to relax about not having everything figured out, emphasizing learning and self-exploration in early adulthood (46:14–47:21).
  • Both hosts reminisce about how fast time has gone, joking about their real age vs. “New York 26” (46:10–46:28).
• Women Supporting Women
  • Cheekily reflect on the power and agency of the next generation of women (“no regrets” breakups and prioritizing self-worth) (48:01–49:03).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality TV Manipulation:
  "It's crazy that they call it producing, but it's actually manipulating. ‘I'm gonna produce her. Watch this.’” – Des (07:08)
• On Influencer Couples:
  “If a man is telling me he wants to be in my Insta story, red fucking flag.” – Des (51:01)
• On Boundary-Setting:
  “I don’t block people because, look—you’ve got to see the whole movie. You can’t stop in the beginning of the movie when things are hard.” – Des (39:05)
• On Self-Acceptance in Relationships:
  “If you feel like you have to be anything other than yourself, that’s the red flag.” – Des (53:58)
• On Marriage and Respect:
  "One of my biggest fears of getting married is that I will lose respect. It's horrible for the brand." – Hannah (49:03–49:09)
• On Women’s Advancement:
  "Not discounting the things that Tyra Banks has done for Black women, women, curvy women in modeling, opened so many doors—totally. But...she said, 'I want my legacy to be ice cream.' I said, we're done here." – Hannah (08:38)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Amazon Prime / Amazon Fashion Finds: 00:00–03:15
• Tyra Banks Documentary & Reality TV Analysis: 04:03–11:18
• Love is Blind & Dating Standards: 11:32–16:33
• Advice from Grandma & Dating Up/Down: 16:40–18:12
• Tell Me Lies Series Discussion: 18:12–19:39
• Influencer Couples, Men and Instagram: 50:07–52:22
• Wagatha Christie Documentary Breakdown: 30:18–38:09
• Empowered Gen Z Listeners & Breakups: 47:21–48:49
• Marriage, Respect, and Professional Identity: 49:03–49:40
• Butt Pads & Red Carpet Prep: 59:15–59:29

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Flow & Tone

The episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and deeply self-aware. The hosts blend snarky pop culture commentary with genuine vulnerability, offering both comedic relief and thoughtful takes on the unique pressures women face. Laughter, personal anecdotes, and sharp social observations keep the conversation flowing, making it both entertaining and insightful for listeners of all ages.

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Perfect for listeners who love unfiltered girl talk, pop culture deep-dives, and the satisfaction of high standards and real friendship.

Transcript

[Paige]

Obviously, I love Amazon prime and there's so many different reasons why I am obsessed with it. Not only can you see something on Instagram or TikTok or hear about it on a podcast and think, wow, I

[Hannah]

need to order that.

[Paige]

And then you can order it on prime immediately, but it also just makes your life better because sometimes you forget someone's birthday or a Christmas gift or a Flag Day gift, I don't know any type of gift. And you can literally get it so, so fast with Prime. Prime just makes your life easier. And it always comes in clutch. Not only is it fast, it's also free delivery. Fast. Free delivery. It's on Prime. Okay? It's that time of year when everything feels a little chaotic. Work, holidays, life. And somehow we're supposed to also have time to work out. That's where the new Peloton Cross Training Tread plus, powered by Peloton iq, actually makes it doable. It Peloton's most elevated equipment yet. Built to guide you in real time and keep things fresh every day. You can run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. And Peloton handles the rest. Peloton IQ gives you smart coaching that tracks your reps, corrects your form and suggests weights so you can focus on feeling strong instead of guessing what to do next and when you want to switch things up. The swivel screen makes it easy to go from a 45 minute run to a quick stretch or stretch strength class in just seconds. And the best part, Peloton IQ builds a personalized plan with classes and instructors that fit your vibe and goals so you can actually look forward to your next workout. Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go explore the new peloton cross training tread [e-mail] sup, gigglers?

[Hannah]

Gary, fix your wifi.

[Des]

Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

[Hannah]

I mean, the day just got away from me.

[Des]

Hello, my glittering gigglers.

[Hannah]

Hello, Hannah.

[Des]

Can I just say, you have to be careful when you give me compliments because you told me that I inspired Margot Robbie with random hair accessories. I took that to heart. Woke up this morning, I said, we're gonna put as many accessories in our hair as we can. And then I started regretting it.

[Gary]

You.

[Hannah]

You keep me young. You truly keep me young. Because my Gen Z assistant just recently cut a bob and she truly cut a bob to wear more clips and she does that hairstyle all the time.

[Des]

Now, in my heart of hearts, I am Gen Z, but with the millennial upbringing.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And this is how I Also know you're a narcissist because we've been together for 10 minutes. You haven't said one thing about my feather.

[Des]

Cause I was waiting to press record

[Hannah]

a single thing about my feather.

[Des]

No, this is the thing. I love this main character energy feather. So she is just like a really comfortable T shirt.

[Hannah]

A stod. Oversized. She's thick. I feel that you'd like that.

[Des]

No, that is high quality. I thought it was stout. Tomato, tomato, tomato, tomato. My mom called me and she's like, you guys gotta learn how to pronounce words. Cause it's starting to get to me. And I said, well, that was the educational system that you brought me up with. I love this feather Amazon.

[Hannah]

I actually put it in the newsletter. Wait, you added it? Yeah, yeah.

[Des]

Oh, you're a full designer.

[Hannah]

No, I. Runway. It came up on my Amazon and I was like, what is that fun little.

[Des]

Okay, so I'm going to put my hair clips in the newsletter, and you put your feather clip. And the girls are going to be. It's kind of like that Jennifer Aniston movie where they put. What is it called?

[Hannah]

Usually I can get there. Usually I can. Jennifer Aniston sling.

[Des]

She's. She works as a waitress, and she puts. When she does good things, they give her more clips. Oh. Oh, it's office space flair.

[Hannah]

Oh, okay.

[Gary]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Des]

Okay. Anyway. Oh, so did you watch?

[Hannah]

So I watched it.

[Des]

Okay, tell me everything.

[Hannah]

You made it seem like a nice. Like, I was excited to sit down to watch a good documentary, and it was.

[Des]

I didn't want to give things away for the people.

[Hannah]

Not enough people are talking about truly how unhinged Tyra kind of is recent. Like, she seems a little bit crazy in this documentary. Also, I have three weeks left in my invisalign, and I actually think it's. It gave me a lisp. So I digress for like 2 seconds.

[Des]

Or is it the Botox that's giving you a list?

[Hannah]

I think it's a combination of the things.

[Des]

Because the one thing you have to do for your job is speak.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Des]

Like, it's still.

[Hannah]

What's a challenge. That I could make my job a little bit harder for myself, so.

[Des]

So Tyra had this, like, evil grin the whole time. Yeah. Where she'd be like, she came off.

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. I don't mean to, like, bash Tyra Banks right now, but she came off, like, a little bit inauthentic. Not a little bit. She came off, like, pretty inauthentic. Especially when they're recounting these events. And then they have the actual girls being like, no, he was groping me.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Like, no, there's no if, ands or buts. I was uncomfortable and it was weird, and no one did anything.

[Des]

You could tell she didn't know that the other people were gonna speak out the way they did.

[Hannah]

It almost seemed like it was posed to her of, like, this is a documentary and we're gonna scratch the surface. Give us. You can give us some PR answers and the other people will talk. You don't have to get as much in the mud.

[Des]

I can't believe she agreed to it.

[Hannah]

I can't believe she agreed to it.

[Des]

But I also think she was trying to be like, I wanna defend myself in a way. But then she didn't really try. She was kind of just like, I don't. I don't want to address things well.

[Hannah]

I just think, like, anything that came up that was like, this is a crate. Like, okay, the girl Shandy, where they were talking about how she got blackout drunk and she cheated on her boyfriend, and they filmed not what happened, and they filmed the whole thing, and then they filmed the next morning. She acted like in the beginning, like, she didn't even remember who she was. And it's like, okay, if you had come out and been like. Of that time period for tv, I was pressured into making it more salacious. And so. And I regret it, Like, I shouldn't have added X, Y and Z because they were in the. They were editing and be like, yeah,

[Des]

I got obsessed with making the show as salacious as possible. I wanted to make more money. I want the show to be bigger. I wanted to beat it. I think also anyone in reality TV production. She said she wasn't. She's the executive producer, right? Anyone in reality TV production.

[Hannah]

I met some of the worst guys, people in my life in reality tv.

[Des]

Reality TV production. And some people are good people. They fall into it and then realize, oh, this is horrible what we're doing to these people. And then they get out of it. I'm telling you, there's a reality TV reckoning happening.

[Hannah]

I can say, like, I've had some producers on reality TV where I'm like, you have made my experience, experience that much better. You've really helped me tell my story. You've really, like, You've really helped me open up. And then there are some people that I'm like, you actually are the devil. And this is a.

[Des]

It's crazy that they call it producing, but it's actually manipulating produce. They'll say, hey, I'm gonna produce her. Watch this. And then you take a normal person having normal emotions and twist it for them to think they're in some, like, different setting. And yes, seeing Shandy have to do these phone calls on camera, like, and you could tell to this day, it fucked her up.

[Hannah]

Well, every single one of them, even though this was like, 10 to almost 20 years ago, none of them are over any situation that they went through. Like, you can just tell the way they're talking about it that it has stuck with them. And they think about it every single day.

[Des]

You know, it's sad. If the show wasn't successful, it actually wouldn't have affected them that much because no one would have seen it. So that's the problem with when things go viral is that everything is that much more intense.

[Hannah]

The craziest thing for me is, like, I feel like I grew up watching Tyra Banks. Like, you watch her on Victoria's Secret. She was in that movie Life Size. Then the show comes out. Like, I just had this vision of Tyra Banks my whole life of, like, not only she's so stunning and gorgeous, but she's smart. She's a business. Do you hear my lisp?

[Des]

How annoying is it for you? Like, you. You're like, I can't go on. Just lean into it.

[Hannah]

Be like, this is not dis.

[Des]

Tyra Banks.

[Hannah]

I have to take my. I have to take.

[Des]

You could just be French. Be like, je crois. Oh, my God. That was iconic. Keep that in grace. Keep that in. I feel like I've done that, like, before. Hooking up with a guy.

[Hannah]

No, I've totally taken out, like, things I stuff my bra with before. I'm like, don't worry about this. And not discounting the things that Tyra Banks have. Has done for black women. Women, like curvy women in modeling, like, opened so many doors. Totally. But I saw a clip, and it was like, her talking about her modeling career, her talking about any, like, business venture, the show, whatever. And she. And she said, I really want my legacy to be ice cream. And I said, you know what? We're done here. Like, truly, we're done here.

[Des]

I think you know that when you said there can be multiple truths at once. Yeah.

[Hannah]

Did I say that?

[Des]

No.

[Hannah]

It's like, yeah, back to my original point.

[Des]

Has done so many amazing things, right. For women, for diversity of size, of race, of Totally.

[Hannah]

But also, the theory of this show was good, intended. Like, this was nice.

[Des]

The amount of beautiful women who look differently than the popular model at the time. Reality TV is messy. Cuz they don't treat you as humans. Yeah. Your characters that they monetize. Except afterwards they don't go audition for new characters. You are the character.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Des]

And you're. It's stuck with you.

[Gary]

Yeah.

[Des]

And I also have to say Tyra didn't act alone.

[Hannah]

Tyra had totally massive executives.

[Des]

Executives.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Making tons of money off of like Shandy.

[Paige]

Right.

[Hannah]

And if the network says something, then it's like, okay, well, this is what we have to do. And I feel like she found herself in a rock and a hard place. That's why I feel like doing this documentary now. If she had sat there and was like, so much got up that I would have never seen coming. And now years later, looking back, like, I feel really bad. If she had just said that one time, I think I would have had a totally different experience watching her.

[Des]

Like, even at the end when they didn't get what they wanted from her and it cut to Danielle being like, shut up. Like, yeah, it definitely. That was what they wanted you to get from it. I also think what pissed me off the most, actually there was a lot of things, but one of the things that was frustrating is because it was like 2000s.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

They didn't have Instagram. So nowadays with reality TV, even if something kind of bad happens to you. Right. You still have your own platform that you can build. Yeah. These girls didn't have that. She just had to go back to Walgreens and she could not have a voice. She couldn't express herself. She couldn't show other sides.

[Hannah]

Almost like in a jail that you created or that they created for you,

[Des]

I could tell like even like Love island. When they. These people leave, they're set for like five years. Yeah.

[Hannah]

If they like build 10 years following off of it. Yeah.

[Des]

Where these girls couldn't build a following on their own. That was it. Like, I could see so many of these girls going extremely viral. Like, people who. But then also it could have even been worse. Like, Shandy could have been just so harassed online.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Des]

They. That, like, I'm so happy.

[Hannah]

Rod of Love is blind. Are you watching?

[Des]

No.

[Hannah]

So the new season came out.

[Des]

Is it good?

[Hannah]

It's such a good way to gauge what dating is like in the current moment. Every guy wants a husband. Like they all want. No, like they truly want husbands.

[Des]

The truth is, if they want to be on reality tv, they want a husband.

[Paige]

Louder.

[Hannah]

For the people in the back, they want a husband. And they also. The only reason why I say that is because, like, a lot of it. They talk a lot this season about, like, being sexually attracted to the person, which totally, like, I could never do. Love is Blind. Like, I. I feel like that is like, a solid 50.

[Gary]

50.

[Hannah]

Like, you have to be able to have sex with that person. But the guys want to be like, they don't want to do the initiating. Like, one of the arguments was like, okay, but you could, like, initiate too. And I am so, so of, like, the mindset of, like, if you think it should be 50, 50, you want a husband. Like, you don't want to date me.

[Des]

Yeah. Like, you want her to chase you.

[Hannah]

They also, a lot of the men, like, they bring it up more that they're not attracted to the women. And it's. I'm like, do you own a mirror? Like, have you ever looked in it one time? No, Just, like, one time. Take a glance. Why? You think you deserve someone you're already with? Someone that's way hotter than you. You think you deserve someone even hotter? Please check the mirror.

[Des]

It is crazy to think what men think. They.

[Hannah]

Well, it's delusion. And all the girls say that, like, wow, he's. Here's the one. All in another gripe I have with Love is Blind. I don't know these people's names. And if I see them one time on the screen and you don't have their name in the lower third, I'm never remembering it. Love is Blind. Someone in editing keep the names up for longer. This is one season. We're never seeing these people again. I'm not memorizing their names. Like, I have no idea what couple is which and what their names are. And I'm just like, the blonde one. The blonder blonde one.

[Des]

I just want them to be uglier people missing teeth.

[Hannah]

Okay, that's like, a totally different show.

[Des]

No, but, like, that's Love is Blonde.

[Hannah]

Like, I want you to fall in

[Des]

love with someone and be like.

[Hannah]

But everyone is. I actually think they do a really good job of, like, I don't think there's someone that I'm like, oh, my God, she's like, 10 times better looking than all the other girls. Like, I really do feel like all the girls are pretty.

[Des]

But is it more interesting if they throw in, like, a model with a horrible personality and then, like, the funniest, most charming, like, girl who isn't traditionally good looking?

[Hannah]

I mean, yeah, everything would make. That would, like, make way better tv.

[Des]

But, like, not me acting like Tyra Banks.

[Hannah]

Yeah, you're no, better than. Than a man. Like, you're like, what if we got a leggy model, okay, and we put her with an ogre? Ratings would skyrocket. And though they would. But I. That's why I'm like, it's so crazy that the men are like, well, I don't know if I'm attracted to you because I'm like, you don't know if you're attracted to her? Like, are you kidding?

[Des]

Men would have sex with warm bread pudding if it was in their vicinity.

[Hannah]

Hannah, you would be so mad. There's this literal, she's an angel. I don't know her name is though. And I wish I don't watch these

[Des]

shows because I get too mad.

[Hannah]

She's an angel. She's gorgeous. She's stunning. She's a doctor. A medical MD Doctor, Went to college multiple years. This man is pushing, pushing five, six. Truly. And he looks at this woman and he goes, I'm really used to being with someone that goes to Pilates every single day. First of all, no, you're not. So that's a lie.

[Paige]

6.

[Hannah]

Second of all, then, if you like

[Des]

so much, go, she's busy saving lives. She doesn't have time to do Pilates three times a day.

[Hannah]

She's literally. What was it called during COVID when, like, she's essential.

[Des]

Oh, she's an essential worker.

[Hannah]

She's essential. You're not. And if you love Pilates so much, you should go every day. But also, men. I'm also sick of the men going to Pilates. That's like a whole other gripe.

[Des]

Like, well, that's illegal. It's not a Pilates.

[Hannah]

I've just seen. I've been seeing it a lot on my timeline.

[Des]

Oh, my God.

[Hannah]

And I'm getting re. I'm starting to get really annoyed.

[Des]

No, because if there's a man in your applies class, you're gonna get robbed.

[Hannah]

Well, it's also like, okay, you don't let us go to the gym and wear sports bras because you're freaks. And now you think you're gonna show up at our place, work to our gorgeous ballet studios.

[Des]

Yeah. And then they're always like, can I put another red on? Shut the up.

[Hannah]

Shut up, shut up.

[Des]

Anyway, the problem with these middle, good looking men, like, they're in the middle. We all know those are the ones that, like, really with you? Like, any time I've dated down. Yeah, but when you date down, what is your.

[Hannah]

What is your definition of dating up?

[Des]

I'm not. I don't like, dating down. I like to feel like I'm obsessed with them. Yeah. I want to feel lucky to be with them.

[Hannah]

You have to admire them.

[Des]

Yes.

[Hannah]

I think that's the word.

[Des]

Yes. And I have dated guys who I admire their jawline, but then, like, the second they open their mouth, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Hannah]

My grandma said something to me. This is, like, years. I mean, I was in, like, middle school. I'm like, grandma, I don't even know if I need to know this, but she said something to me that has, like, truly stuck with me through my 20s and my 30s. And that is, if you have a son and your son walked through the door right now and he was an exact replica of who you're currently dating, are you proud of that person?

[Des]

And I'm like, I'm delusional where, like, I don't rate myself in any way. I just know that I'm that girl. So I'm not like, oh, I'm this. I don't look in the mirror. I don't know how I look. I just know that I want the best for myself. That is right for me.

[Hannah]

We have high standards. I have very, very high expectations.

[Des]

Very high expectations. And I have. I think it's because of my parents, and I know yours as well.

[Hannah]

Very high expectation.

[Des]

Zero tolerance for disrespect.

[Hannah]

Zero tolerance for disrespect.

[Des]

Zero tolerance for not believing in me. Zero tolerance for sassiness. Zero tolerance.

[Hannah]

Gentle parenting.

[Paige]

Not around here.

[Hannah]

Never seen it. Never heard of it. Only heard about it in books and movies. Never experienced it.

[Des]

And I remember dating down, and when I say down, it's like, you know, in your heart of hearts, like, you're a loser. He's a loser. He's a loser.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

I feel like they know that they don't deserve you, and because of their insecurities, they fuck with you.

[Hannah]

Yes.

[Des]

And that's the most upsetting thing. And that's literally, like, made my mind crazy.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Well, honestly, that's the whole plot of Tell Me Lies and the.

[Des]

The director. That's why it's triggering for me.

[Hannah]

It is.

[Des]

I said, that girl should not be talking to him.

[Hannah]

Well, they just ended the series. They just put it. The season finale out, which I watched it. Some people were, like, mad about it because they felt like the main character, Steven, like, got away with everything. Whatever. There's, like, a lot of.

[Des]

I mean, that's life. That's life. Men getting away with stuff. That's life.

[Hannah]

But one of the craziest things is the director. I think she's the director came out and was like, I have been shocked over the past few years about how many people are so mad at Lucy, saying that she's just as bad as Steven and hating her almost in the sense of like, well, because she's weak, we hate her. But, like, discounting the fact that she wasn't like this, like, he literally manipulated her. He made her into this.

[Des]

Your response to abuse should not be judged. People respond to abuse in many different ways. Some people freak out, some people just become a clam.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

And I think not the seafood reference.

[Hannah]

Do you. Do you know my dad called me last night. He goes, I got to talk to you about something because I'm a little bit pissed off and my dad rarely will call me after like 8pm because I'm like, He's asleep. I get a FaceTime at 9:30 and I'm like, oh, I must have like really like annoyed him with something. And he goes, how dare you sit on your podcast and talk bad about clams.

[Des]

I love my side.

[Hannah]

He goes, I love clams. You love clams. You acting like you're not. You don't love clams. We go to. He goes, we go to Italy every single year. I eat clams for dinner and lunch. And you didn't even say anything.

[Des]

I love when we say the most horrible shit about men. And your dad calls, can we discuss the clam? The clam?

[Hannah]

He goes, well, one time in Italy, we saw Michael Kors, like at breakfast and he's never forgot it. So when you talk about Michael Kors on the pod, he's like my friend.

[Des]

I saw Hannah's on my. Did she say hi?

[Hannah]

Did she say, gary, maybe we could all have clams.

[Des]

I love that Gary's listening. Hi, Gar bear. Speaking of calling people last night, our lives are never boring.

[Hannah]

Never.

[Des]

Something come comes up and I want to. I want to express yourself. I'm all hyped up.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Now I know it was around 10:30 and I said, paige is out for the day.

[Hannah]

She's done.

[Des]

She's done.

[Hannah]

She's clocked out.

[Des]

She's clocked out. But I, in one of those moments of friendship, I said, I don't care. Yeah.

[Hannah]

If you're calling me post 9:45, you might get a yoga instructor, you might get a health guru.

[Des]

I answer, hyped up. I've been jacked up. Paige answers with a mask on.

[Hannah]

Yeah. A classic sleep in face mask. Getting my collagen where I can.

[Des]

I give her all these crazy arguments. She goes, I'm gonna need you to relax.

[Hannah]

I'm about a joint and a half deep. Hannah starts hitting me with life, plaguing questions like, like you, like, I'm not talking next week, next month. I'm talking things that will affect us in five to six.

[Des]

We have like a work project going on. And I'm like, I had an epiphany. I think we scratch it. I go, I think we start from the ground up. And it's, it's because of these seven different points. And she looks at me, she goes, everything's gonna be fine. I need you to just relax.

[Hannah]

I'm gonna need you to take a beat.

[Des]

But mind you, if I'd called you at like 11 o', clock, right when you're on your walking pad and you're jacked up with coffee, you been like, I'm actually. Let me get on the phone with my lawyer right now and I'll deal with this thing.

[Hannah]

I love more than getting on the phone with my lawyer. There's something I actually, there's one thing I love more than getting on the phone with my lawyer is telling people I'm going to get on the phone with my lawyer.

[Des]

Well, seeing small claims court is real.

[Hannah]

Absolutely.

[Des]

100%, absolutely.

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[Hannah]

So I'm hosting the SAG Awards red carpet for Netflix. I have a frozen chin, a lisp. Now I didn't tell Netflix that I have a frozen chin and a lisp. And my fear is I'm gonna do it and people are gonna be like oh my God she went so overboard with the botox. She loves plastic surgery. When I was the one that was like I'm waiting to get Botox and then I get a little bit botched and now all of a sudden, so I'm, like, nervous that that's gonna be whatever. I have two weeks, though, until you're

[Des]

gonna be totally fine. Also, I've been looking at your face this whole time. I haven't been distracted by your. But I also don't. I don't really listen to you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, but you love me and I love you. There's a lot of people out there.

[Des]

The worst thing people have to say about you is, like, you overdid the Botox. That's a relatable queen.

[Hannah]

Oh, thank you so much for saying that.

[Des]

It's honestly more likable for you to stop being so perfect all the time. I would feel like.

[Hannah]

Let me tell you something, too. I really need your help. And I selfishly asked you to come over to my apartment today because I actually want you to help me with my cards for the saga.

[Des]

I was going to say I was supposed to do it with you.

[Hannah]

Hannah's supposed to do this Hag Awards with me, and I get a phone call from Hannah saying, I actually decided to absolutely not do that.

[Paige]

No.

[Des]

But the day before, I'm shooting my special. Okay, it was. It was impossible. And emotionally, I couldn't make it happen.

[Hannah]

I couldn't handle it. The amount of beta blockers actually don't exist for me to find.

[Des]

And then you've dealt with me. Me tired. Standing on the wrong side before especially.

[Hannah]

That's, like, a lot that you need, like, a full week to recover after.

[Des]

So you have to study.

[Hannah]

So I have to say, because it is.

[Des]

Let me just say it's live, which is different than a lot of people can interview and just take the funniest moments and post it, which is ideal. Yeah, but live is like, you're gonna be working, babe.

[Hannah]

Well, I have, like, normal facts about every single celebrity. Like, how many times I've been nominated, what movie it's for, like, blah, blah, blah, all the boring facts. But now I'm going in and adding, like, one funny question. Or like, okay, look, they hired me for a personality, honey. Like, they knew they were getting. I don't know.

[Des]

It is live. So, like, I guess you can ask

[Hannah]

who here do you trust the least.

[Des]

You just do full Andy Cohen at a reunion with everyone coming in.

[Hannah]

No lie.

[Des]

You go. Who have you been side eyeing?

[Hannah]

Do you have a Finsta?

[Des]

No, I'm obsessed. Also, at the end of the day, your dress is really cute.

[Hannah]

No, my dress is really good. All that matters.

[Gary]

Truly.

[Hannah]

It's truly all that matters.

[Des]

But it's Gonna be fun. I can't wait to watch it.

[Hannah]

Wait. One other viral thing that I. That I saw recently. And, you know, we don't like praising the men on this, but sometimes I'm like, oh, I have to take, like, someone's side. I don't know why I didn't see this during the super bowl or anything, but did you see that clip of Tom Brady and Logan Paul? They were, like, at the super bowl

[Des]

doing that doesn't come across on my algorithm. Thank God.

[Hannah]

Okay. The only reason it came across mine was it crossed. It was a girl doing, like, a duet to it. Like a rebuttal video, essentially. There's, like, some game or something like that Tom Brady's doing, I think, like, I don't know, flag football or if it's like football, but it's like, for a. I have no idea what it is. Yeah. Like Marco Polo, but Logan Paul is playing in it. And so they were talking about, like, competing against each other or on the same team, but, like, whatever. And I guess there's other professional sports people like, playing in said game.

[Des]

Crazy. No one asked me. Continue.

[Hannah]

So basically, the debate. Not even the debate. Tom Brady says to Logan Paul, like, it's cute that you think you're an athlete, but you're not a professional athlete. Like, you're about to be with major professional athletes. And Logan Paul starts talking about high school.

[Des]

Same. I would do the same.

[Hannah]

And then he says how he's in the wwe.

[Des]

Yes.

[Hannah]

And Tom Brady kind of, like, chuckled. I actually felt bad for Tom Brady in this moment because I'm like, if I was sitting there and some fucking kid was across the table from me, and I'm the proven best in my sport, in my position for the past 10 years, I feel bad.

[Des]

Tom Brady put himself in that position. Don't go on a podcast with Logan Paul. That's what you get.

[Hannah]

And I would say, as someone who, like, admittedly did like Logan and Jake Paul's reality show, who knows what I was going through at that time.

[Des]

Well, let's be honest. You liked the girls in it.

[Hannah]

I liked Nina. I liked watching Nina.

[Des]

Nina. And the other one who just won a gold medal.

[Hannah]

I love an Olympian.

[Des]

Sorry. I like women wearing. Yeah.

[Hannah]

Sorry.

[Gary]

Yeah.

[Des]

I do have to say, every now and then, I'll be talking to someone and I'll bring up something that happened to me in tennis with college, and they're like, you're literally a man. Like, I feel like I'm on a bad hinge date.

[Hannah]

Like, if you say, check tape to me. I'm like, what?

[Des]

I don't think we brought this up. I don't know how I didn't watch this earlier. I think it's because I was waiting to watch it, and then it left my desk and it came right back across my desk. Did you watch the Wagatha Christie story on Hulu?

[Hannah]

What the heck is a Wagatha?

[Des]

Okay, so Agatha Christie is the novel. Is a novel of, like, a mysterious. Yeah. Investigator. Yeah. It's about soccer. Wags.

[Hannah]

Okay. Documentary.

[Des]

Yes. In England, which you love England. It's basically Molly Mae. But if she was with soccer players. Paige.

[Hannah]

No. That's the kind of money I want to watch on tv.

[Des]

This is the most incredible thing.

[Hannah]

How many episodes? And I'm diving into.

[Des]

Yeah, you're diving. It's at least three.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Des]

Oh, my God. So it starts off. Of course, I don't remember any of the names, but one of the women is with one of the biggest football players in England. She met him in high school, really cute. And immediately goes from just being a, like, poor English girl to getting papped on the street to be like, what's her story? Why is this guy with her? They fell in love in high school. So she immediately is a star. Yeah. And she's gorgeous, and people like her, but she's just a regular person, and she likes living this regular life. And she has a private Instagram where she has, like, 300 of her friends who she actually knows.

[Hannah]

I love that.

[Des]

And she posts, like, cute things about the family.

[Hannah]

Do you know one of my favorite things about my brother's girlfriend is that she doesn't have Instagram. She literally doesn't care about it. And I'm like, you're so jealous.

[Gary]

Cool.

[Hannah]

Like, we only speak because we send each other tick tocks. I'm like, that's my only form of.

[Des]

Neither does my brother. Which is why.

[Hannah]

No, there's something to be said about it.

[Des]

The men in my family are just iconic. My dad just learned how to post into stories, which is a problem.

[Hannah]

But my brother hasn't posted in, like, 12 years.

[Des]

And that's why we trust them. My brother was out here posting for attention. I'd be like, did I not beat you enough when I was.

[Hannah]

I actually feel like I get that text once a week from my brother. Did I not beat you enough as a child? I'm like, okay, you know what? No, I did, actually. That's why I am. That's why I'm so mean to men. That's why I have no Respect for any man because I was beaten my whole life by my older brother Logan. Paul thinks he's good at the wwe. Never seen Gary desorbo.

[Gary]

Okay.

[Hannah]

Never seen Gary desorbo putting a little girl on a headlock after a two liter of Pepsi. Unstoppable.

[Des]

Wanna wrestle? Anyway, traumatizing. So she posts on her private story. Now things start getting leaked to the sun, which is the. Is like the Daily Mail. It's like the.

[Hannah]

The TMZ of England.

[Des]

The TMZ of England. And at first it's kind of innocent stuff like. Oh, oh no. There was a drama though. Her husband gets blackout drunk, is found driving in a car with a random girl. He's like, I don't know how I got in the car. Why is this girl in my car? How did this.

[Hannah]

It arrived.

[Des]

She jumped in my car. I didn't know she was trying to.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Jack my car. I don't know what his excuse was, but she was going through it cuz she loves this man. And she's like, he clearly has drinking problems and cheats on me when he's drunk.

[Gary]

Yeah.

[Des]

At one point she posts that she's with him during this, like on and off time. And it goes to the sun that they're. That they're together. The s. And she's like, that's crazy cuz I just posted it on my story and she's looking through like who could have leaked this? This continues happening. And she's starting to go crazy and get really paranoid because she's like, is this one of my close friends?

[Hannah]

Wait, are you going to tell us who it is? Because I'd like to put in my formal guess now. It's one of her friends that knows him from high school and maybe they've hooked up or dated. Please proceed.

[Des]

That is a great.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Des]

It could have been so.

[Hannah]

But it wasn't.

[Des]

It's actually one of her not close friends. She was at like a big soccer thing and she met another wag who loves being famous, loves being on covers, loves having articles written about her. Now for some reason, this girl, when the sun writes about her, it's all positive. It's like, look at her on vacation in Italy. And she's like, I've never seen someone get so much positive footage from a tabloid before. So she met this girl and the girl immediately was like, what's your Instagram? I can't find you. And she's like, oh, this is my private Instagram. So she's another wag. So she thinks like that girl Would

[Hannah]

there's like a code. There's a code. It's like a broken what to say.

[Des]

What? Yeah, yeah. So she's like, I think it's this girl. So she finds a way to block everyone from her story. I mean, that's why they're calling it Agatha Christie. This girl's a genius. But also it's interesting. She won't tell anyone. She's not going to a lawyer, she's not going to the police. She's just like, I'm going to figure this out on my own. Which is very. You coded.

[Hannah]

I was just going to say the power of a woman.

[Des]

The power of a woman.

[Hannah]

She goes, I don't need a determined

[Des]

woman not calling a 65 year old man to like put this on his desk and forget about it. So she posts something very controversial. She's always wanted to have a daughter. She has like four sons. So she posts that she's going to Mexico to try to like confirm the gender of her child. Like something that, like something crazy.

[Hannah]

Like crazy like we're adopting an alien from Mars.

[Des]

So she posts it and she sees the other wag see it. She's the only one that saw it. Nothing happens. And then she waits and then something else gets leaked and she's like, fuck this, I'm blocking the girl. And the girl responds is like, hey, why'd you block me? Like, the girl's clearly following stuff. Then a couple months later, the story leaks about the girl and the gender baby. So she's basically so gender baby. So she just goes straight to Twitter and is like, I cannot believe this wag has been doing this to me. And my prep goes on, a whole thing, it blows up. Guess what the other wag does? She says, it's not me. I'm suing your ass. So they get in this insane legal battle and the other wag, they're like, okay, everyone has to submit their phones and stuff. The wag, the other wag goes, oh, my phone got dropped in a lake. And then her agent too was like, oh, my broke. They. I don't know what was going on, but they did. Then they submitted like files with things redacted. Okay, and should I say what happened?

[Hannah]

Yeah, okay. You let us all to the water. And then you're like. And find out in the next episode. No, tell us what happened.

[Des]

So at first it seemed like they weren't going to be able to say who did it. But it was found between the agent and the other wag that they were both colluding to Sending stuff. So it was proven that she was guilty. It was the craziest war. But I think that woman still says, like, it wasn't me.

[Hannah]

Here's my thing with that. Like, I feel like I've been in the position you two so many times where I'm like, I could go to war with this person and truly prove them wrong in the court of public opinion. And I can bring up all these receipts and I could show everyone just how fucking crazy you are.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

But then I will have to live with any time someone Google's your nameless name, I'm going to come up and I don't want anything to do with you. I don't want to be, like, put together with you in a news article. I don't want our names ever being in the same sentence. So you have to be really mad.

[Paige]

Like, you have to really.

[Des]

She regretted it.

[Hannah]

Yeah, she regretted it.

[Des]

She said, my life. I thought I was going to, like,

[Hannah]

you think you're getting justice?

[Des]

She thought she was getting justice. And she said the next, like, three years of my life were the worst years of my life. And millions of dollars spent in legal fees in the.

[Hannah]

And just negative attention, energy. Even thinking about this, your private life

[Des]

is so exposed, every single text message. It's very scary. So as to Sicilians who love revenge, there are so many times where you're like, you're a miserable and I'm not playing in the mud with pigs.

[Hannah]

Well, you know how, like, I love blocking people and you're like, let.

[Des]

I never. I've never. I've no. Never blocked a person.

[Hannah]

Yeah, you're like, I block people on

[Des]

my phone because I don't like people having access.

[Hannah]

But you're very much like, let them.

[Des]

Social media, babe.

[Hannah]

Social media where I'm like, okay, blocked. Gotta go. I forgot what my point was. I just like to point that out. You don't block people and I do.

[Des]

I don't block people because, look, you got to see the whole movie. You can't stop in the beginning of the movie when things are hard.

[Hannah]

No, but I just think, like, it is a better revenge being like, you think you're trying to. You think you're taking me down. But my silence of, like, never speaking your name, not even knowing that you exist, is probably eating you up more than, like, me acknowledging you and saying that you are, in fact crazy.

[Des]

Yeah, I block men. I block bad friends on my phone because I don't want you to have access to me. I don't want you to try to manipulate Me. I don't want you to try to. Yeah. Like, up boundaries that I've put.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Des]

But in terms of me as a person and my social media and what I'm up to, it drives me.

[Hannah]

I think it's smart.

[Des]

Yeah. Thank. I appreciate that. You know, when you give me compliments that you create a monster, so please stop. I'm also obsessed with random Nepo babies I didn't know were random Nepo babies.

[Hannah]

Like.

[Des]

Like, Lily Collins. People don't talk about her like she's a Nepa baby.

[Hannah]

Her dad is still.

[Des]

Her dad's Phil Collins, which is who again? He's, like, one of the greatest musicians of our time.

[Hannah]

No, I knew that.

[Des]

Like, well, he's iconic because he, like, looks like an accountant, and then he's, like, playing every instrument and, like, has the voice of an angel. Do you remember the Tarzan soundtrack?

[Hannah]

Not off the top of my head, but if someone brought it. Okay. Nope. It's still not, like, totally ringing a bell. You got it.

[Des]

Don't be shy.

[Hannah]

No. He wrote it, though.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Any other good ones?

[Des]

Tarzan was, like, my sexual awakening.

[Hannah]

I mean, Nepo children.

[Des]

Oh, I. I thought you wanted me to keep listening.

[Hannah]

That's so funny. That's so funny, because I remember when I was younger seeing Tarzan, I. My first instinct was, ew. Why would she want to be in the jungle? She's wearing a dress. She's wearing.

[Des]

Hated that. She had, like, pearls and, like, little gloves, and then she was forced to be in the mud. Yes.

[Hannah]

I hate it. I was pissed off. I actually wouldn't finish watching it. I, like, told my mom. I was like, this is stupid. She's dressed. She's ready. Like, she has to, like, now, like, forage. He's not even speaking to her. Like, I had strong opinions on Tarzan when I was younger. I was like, get it off the screen, Mom.

[Des]

That's like getting mad at Jasmine for going with the guy with no job instead of Jafar, who is loaded.

[Kim Holderness]

Well,

[Hannah]

I'm like, babe, it's you. You have the money. You could show him the world. What are we talking about? You don't have to get on a carpet. You can get in a Lamborghini.

[Des]

Yeah, a carpet. A carpet that's been sat on multiple. When was the last time they vacuumed that carpet?

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[Hannah]

We rarely talk about, like, any good we do, you know, anything nice we

[Des]

do for, like, that's boring.

[Hannah]

I do try and do a lot with, like, my old high school. They're still around. And, like, if I'm like, I can't let anything.

[Des]

You have your college.

[Hannah]

I'm like, all you have at this point, it's all I have. I could go back to my middle school, which is thriving, but I feel like they don't need my help.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

So anyway, I try and, like, sponsor things when I can. I try and, like, pay for things, whatever. But one of the things that I do is they do, like, this, like, alumni connection. And you can, like, someone can, like, ask you because you've, like, already graduated to be there, whatever. So I find myself couldn't even be Gen Z. What is she? If you're in college right now, I think Gen Z, Is she still Gen Z?

[Des]

Yeah, I think so.

[Hannah]

I find myself chatting with a Gen Z girl quite often. And it's so funny because it's not that long ago that we were freshmen in college. It really isn't, though. How long is that?

[Paige]

10 years?

[Des]

Like 15 years.

[Hannah]

Oh, actually.

[Paige]

Okay. Wow.

[Hannah]

The math in my head, I was like, but if I'm 26,

[Des]

someone yesterday was talking to us about our age and I was like, we're 26. Yeah, but everyone thinks we're 26.

[Hannah]

I just was like, wait, but I'm 26, so how could that be?

[Des]

I think people think we're like, 29 to 31. Whatever.

[Hannah]

It doesn't feel that long ago, even though it was.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

But when I talk to her, I do immediately get back into the mindset of, like, oh, my God. And if I don't have this figured out and. And then I'm telling her, like, you, this is what, like, the beginning of college is to. For. To, like, figure out all of these things. You are not behind you. You did not. You didn't even. You couldn't even mess anything up yet if you tried. And so, like, I find her. Me, like, talking to her about all of that Stuff. And then obviously we talk about, like, lasering our hair off and all this. But she texted me recently because we had talked about, like, her being in a relationship and like, all of this stuff. And she texted me recently and she was like, I around and I listen to Giggly Squad a little bit too much and I broke up with my boyfriend, and I just. I feel like now we need to go even younger.

[Des]

Do you know why I say good? Because no girl has ever broken up with a guy and regretted it.

[Hannah]

Which is an amazing point because I was.

[Des]

I've never accidentally made a mistake and broke up with a guy.

[Hannah]

Do you have one girlfriend that had. That you've ever had a conversation with where she said, ugh, he's really the one that got away?

[Des]

Never. Never. Also, no girl randomly just wakes up and is like, I'm gonna break up with the guy.

[Paige]

Right.

[Des]

She has went through pros and cons. She's talked to 12 to 17 different people about it, including professionals, including her therapist. I. I actually think there is, like a young crew of girls who listen to Giggly Squad and they're. They're powerful.

[Hannah]

No, they're powerful. I'm like, if you can recognize this now that he's holding you back, he doesn't want you to do X, Y and Z because it's making him feel inadequate because of whatever. Like, if you can realize that now, you save, like so much time in your 20s.

[Des]

I also hate to say it because I love sex in the city.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

But it did give me this feeling of like, you could be single in your 30s, and it's kind of scary. Like, they're. They're like, how do we find this man? How do we find this man? How do we find this man? But maybe they're listening to girls like us in our 30s where it's like, yeah, I'm married, but, like, we don't talk about that. I love how he literally was like, you don't need to find him. But the truth is, is like, like, we're not, like, it's not like our death. Finding a man.

[Hannah]

Well, one, I feel like because you're married and it. So you don't think about it.

[Des]

And also because I'm married and it. You guys understand that it doesn't, like,

[Hannah]

it doesn't play into your day to day life. Who is that?

[Paige]

Where is that man?

[Hannah]

Who is he?

[Des]

Like, no one's respecting me more because I'm married. Every respect I've ever gotten in this industry is because of myself.

[Hannah]

If anything, one of My respect. One of my biggest fears of getting married is that I will lose respect.

[Des]

It's horrible for the brand.

[Hannah]

No, I'm like, wait, people aren't gonna take me seriously because I take you.

[Des]

You reflect on.

[Hannah]

Do you realize that you're ruining everything about my.

[Des]

And Sex in the City was literally them at brunch. Sometimes just being like, this guy hurt me. This guy. I don't know what to do with this guy. I don't know that guy.

[Hannah]

No, that's like, I would say right now at this time, one of my biggest fears is that if I get married and I have a baby, everyone will look at me differently, treat me differently, and my job and career will change.

[Des]

Seeing girls pre being a mom as like, that's their life. And then after the when the mom starts, it's like, well, now you're a mom. But I think we're the generation that's changing that.

[Hannah]

Yeah, we'll start with me.

[Des]

We'll start with you.

[Hannah]

But I will say, when I froze my eggs, I did feel like, oh, I'm fine.

[Des]

Also, there's so many women in the arts, women in stem, who you don't realize has a full fledged family. She doesn't talk about it.

[Paige]

Right.

[Des]

I do have to say I don't like when influencers make their boyfriends their whole personality. Because then when it doesn't work out. Yeah, it's like you want. You're less than because he was making you who you were. Yeah.

[Hannah]

And also just like, if you have a boyfriend that wants to be on your Instagram story, like he wants a husband.

[Des]

Can I just say how take. Whenever I see influencers, like, posts with their boyfriend and he looks miserable.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

Green flag.

[Hannah]

I kind of think so too. And I've like seen girls comments where it's like, he, he hates you. And I'm like, I couldn't even bring myself to comment that on someone's like, that's crazy.

[Des]

I know men in my life who are the greatest men do not want to be on camera.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

If a camera gets in front of them, they're immediately like, freeze. Don't know what to do, don't know what to say and don't like it. If a camera, if a man is telling me he wants to be in my insta story. Yeah. Red fucking flag.

[Hannah]

And obviously there's so many reasons why I never talk about, like dating a man or like being with a man. Like even like Valentine's Day, people were like, obviously you're in a man's bedroom because it has no artwork. The bed's unmade. Like, what's going on here? Is that a jail cell? There's so many different reasons on why. One, I feel like because I was, like, had such public relationships, and, like, the court of public opinion is, like, not healthy. But two is because I'm like, what the hell does he have to do with my personality?

[Des]

100%, you know, like, I posted Happy Valentine's Day with my mom, and people were, like, messaging me, like, what's going on with you? And does. I'm like, give me the man sitting next to me right now.

[Hannah]

Right. There's two types of men. There's men that love compliments and, like, love praise and love, like, looking cool. And, like, yeah, I'll post this picture because, like, I want a DM that says I look cool or people to think that I look cool, Whatever. And then there's men that don't post because they only care if, like, you think it's cool.

[Des]

Also, they know they're cool. They don't need other.

[Hannah]

Like, what my major point. What my point was.

[Des]

The thing is, you're really good at setting up a point.

[Hannah]

Here's the difference.

[Des]

I mean, whatever you're about to say, I agree with.

[Hannah]

Let me rewind. Let me go back. There's two types of men. There's men that care about what other women think, and then there's men that care about only what the person they're with thinks.

[Des]

But I wouldn't even just say men. There's two types of women.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Women that care about what every man thinks of them.

[Gary]

Yeah.

[Des]

And women who just care about the man they love thinks of them.

[Hannah]

There's also.

[Des]

There's a power in that. There's also a three times. Wait.

[Hannah]

There's also another type of man that,

[Des]

like, who cares what other men think?

[Hannah]

Well, Des is like this. And I would put does in this category. He doesn't play when it comes to you. Like, there is, like. Because here's the thing. If you posted a picture of him and someone commented something rude, you're setting him up to have an angry day because he can't compartmentalize. If it was about him, he could compartmentalize and be like, yeah, that person who cares. I don't know that person. But when it comes to you, he doesn't mess around. But then there's men where it's like, you would talk shit about me if someone gave you the opportunity and they were like, no one will ever know. Say what you really feel.

[Des]

The way your man speaks about you is how he feels about you and what he puts into the world.

[Hannah]

And I will say, I don't think I've ever been with someone. I actually, just to dumb it down, I don't think I've ever been with someone who genuinely liked. Genuinely liked my full personality, like. Like certain parts and certain characteristics. But I don't think I've ever been with someone that like 360 likes my personality.

[Des]

If you feel like you have to be anything other than yourself, that's the red flag. Which goes back to the beginning of Love is Blind, which. Which is if you feel like you. It's not about being with someone who's really hot or being with someone who's really cool. It's about being with someone who makes you feel like you. And that's what my parents always said to me.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

When my parents would see me with whatever man I was with at the time, they wouldn't look at him, they would look at me.

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[Des]

And they would be like, I don't like how you acted around here.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Hannah]

Like, you're not eating. You're like, you're not.

[Des]

I mean, you look amazing. No, it would always be. I feel like you're waiting for him to. Like, he seems to control. He's controlling. Like, it was looking at me. And when they saw me being able to be childlike and free and myself, that's when they said, that's the man for you. Yeah. It was never them looking at the man, girl.

[Hannah]

I also think, like, this is the first time in my life I've ever dated someone Italian.

[Des]

Like, why do you think you never went Italian before? I don't think there weren't enough Italians in New York.

[Hannah]

I feel like I never.

[Des]

Or you knew that once you started, you'd be stuck.

[Hannah]

I feel like. Well, it's hard explaining an Italian family to, like, a waspy white guy from Connecticut. Like, it's. There is such a disconnect. Do you know, like, the word, like, achida?

[Des]

Yeah. You get achida, you're worked up.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like, this morning,

[Des]

that's how I live my life.

[Hannah]

Like, this morning I was just like, I have, like, achada. Like, I can't, like, and it's heartburn. But it's also.

[Des]

You're just, like, also you explaining ricotta to someone. Yeah.

[Hannah]

And so, like, me being like, okay, origin of the word. Look, I don't know origin of the word, but you give it to me. Like, I don't.

[Des]

I hate to say it and be an Annoying New Yorker, but like, my man New York. Like, I've dated guys from other places, and it's not that they're evil, it's that they don't feel like home. And, yeah, you cannot have your cortisol levels confused and weirded out. It makes you bloated. When you're with someone who feels like family, for better or worse, sometimes their demons are your family's demons, which makes things at least you know how to deal with it. Yeah, the devil you know. Finding someone that is right for you and not just right on a paper, technicality or Instagram. Yeah, don't get caught up in this. Like, oh, I like, he looks good in my Instagram stories, right?

[Hannah]

No, I like, I'll never post a man ever again. I don't. Even if I have a son, I don't even think I'll post him, you know, because we never. Now we can't be too. We can never be too cautious. I'm like, am I really your mom? I don't know. No, it is just, like, weird dating is weird. It's weird dating also in your 30s, because I don't think when you're younger, you fantasize about it. Like, you fantasize about dating in your 20s. Like, oh, my God, what's it gonna be like? And I'm gonna go on all these dates. And you rarely think about it in your 30s because you're like, oh, well, I'll be married by then. And then when you're not, you're like, well, what is this? What is dating in your 30s?

[Des]

Do you even call it a boyfriend?

[Hannah]

You're basically his boss. Like, one of my girlfriends texted me the other day, like, okay, this is a perfect example. In my 20s, if someone didn't send an Uber for me to go out on a date, I would think nothing of it. We live in New York City. Yeah, of course I'm going to meet you there. There's no, like, let me pick you up in New York City, because whatever. Now, if I'm in my 30s, if a guy doesn't offer to send me an Uber to, like, dinner, I'm not going.

[Des]

How am I supposed to get there?

[Hannah]

And if he does and it's like an Uber X, am I going like, this is. This is the first date. You're supposed to be putting all your cards out on the table for me to look at.

[Des]

And some people might have listened to that and said, paige, you're being high maintenance. You're being over the top. She knows what she wants. And why waste six months with a guy when you know immediately he's not thinking the right way?

[Hannah]

If you have high expectations, high expectations is what you'll get. And if you have low expectations, low expectations is what you'll get.

[Des]

I. But I also think in your 20s, it's so much easier to lie to yourself. Like, you don't know.

[Hannah]

Also, you're poor. In your 20s, you're poor and you don't know.

[Paige]

Like, right?

[Des]

You're literally like, okay, he did that. But that could mean this. We don't know. It's. I always say it's like taking your first shot of vodka.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

When you're like, someone's like, do you want to chase her? And you're like, why? Like, nothing. You don't know what could go wrong. And now when you eat tequila, you're like, I'm gonna gag.

[Hannah]

This goes back to, like, love is blind. Because I'm like, watching grown men, like, explain why they won't give the woman that they picked to marry compliments. And I'm like, this is like a really. This is like a really painful conversation. And one guy was like, trying to say, oh, because you asked me to do it now, like, I can. And now I'm putting up a wall. If you're with a man and he says the phrase, I'm putting up a wall again, he wants a husband. Like, that's for girls. Putting up a wall is for girls. Because of you guys, you can't put up walls. Like, you have no walls. I also did buy a skims butt pad. Just because I want to say, are

[Des]

you gonna put it in the dress?

[Hannah]

I don't know.

[Des]

We're gonna say, wait, I'm obsessed with you.

[Hannah]

I just wanted to try it out. I mean, I have the nipple bra. I'm like, what if Imagine built it?

[Des]

Imagine me with a butt pad.

[Hannah]

We can go to my apartment. You could try it on. Have it.

[Des]

Okay, we gotta go try some butt pads. We love you gigglers. Thank you for listening and talk to you later. Have a great weekend.

[Hannah]

Bye.

[Paige]

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