Giggling about gold diggers, mean girls, and nudes

Summary

Giggly Squad: Giggling about gold diggers, mean girls, and nudes

Podcast: Giggly Squad
Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Date: March 31, 2026
Episode Theme:
This week, Hannah and Paige dive into internet trends, gender roles in relationships, personal stories about dating and breakups, mean girl tropes, and more. With unfiltered humor and their signature self-deprecation, they tackle topics like social media “sleuthing,” visibility of sexuality, evolving expectations for women, and the realities of modern pop culture.

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1. Opening Chaos & Travel Woes

Timestamps: 01:43–03:05

• Both hosts talk about their hectic days and travel drama.
  • Paige flew across several states just to be on time:

    “I did not fly four hours to get here on time. We're recording in the studio. I'm in my sunglasses and my glasses.” (02:09, Paige)

  • Hannah’s started waking up at 4:30am:

    “I just wake up every day at 4:30 and then I'm up. Kitty’s loving it because she’s been eating at 6am so she’s pumped.” (02:28, Hannah)

  • Both agree that's “too much day.”

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2. Kit Kat Robbery: Real or AI Fake News?

Timestamps: 03:05–03:44, 27:03–27:53

• Paige brings up a bizarre story about 12 tons of Kit Kats being stolen on a train in Europe.
  • Both debate if it’s even real, suspecting AI-generated news.
  • Memorable quip:

    “May have been Kinder Bueno sending out a hit.” (03:13, Hannah)

  • Later, they joke that maybe a woman on her period pulled off the heist, before questioning black market Kit Kats.

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3. Viral Internet Trend: “Catching Print”

Timestamps: 03:44–08:15

• Hannah introduces the new TikTok trend: “Catching print,” a method for women to estimate men's penis size based on the outline (“print”) in pants.
  • She explains:

    “A gay man on the Internet said ... you need to start knowing how big men's penis sizes are and I'm going to teach you.” (04:09, Hannah)

  • Paige and Hannah compare this to women’s cleavage/bodies being visible, noting the double standard.
  • “Flat means nothing; bulge high up means small; mid means average.” (07:46–08:15, paraphrased Hannah)
  • Paige relays personal experience:

    “The guy I was with with the biggest penis ... it was to a point where like his life was harder because of it.” (08:15, Paige)

• They hilariously dissect “grower vs. shower” tropes, hands/fingers myths, and why male confidence sometimes relates to these perceptions.

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4. Nudes, Cheating & Social Media Artifacts

Timestamps: 09:36–13:15

• Hannah shares a story where she caught an ex stuffing his pants for “spicy mirror pics.”
  • Quote:

    “I know that I was home alone...I found what I believe he was stuffing his pants with—socks.” (11:31, Hannah)

  • Paige praises her “investigative journalism.”
• They reminisce about early 2010s scandals, iCloud hacks, and changing attitudes toward sending nudes.
  • Paige:

    “Whenever I send a nude, it has to somehow be funny or artsy and arguably, possibly not me.” (13:03, Paige)

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5. Reading, Audiobooks, and Viral Memoirs

Timestamps: 15:08–19:29

• Paige discusses “The Strangers: A Memoir of Marriage” (Belle Burden):
  • Main storyline: Privileged NYC woman, struggles in marriage, ends up in a scandal/crisis, eventually becomes a successful writer.
  • Paige:

    “Sometimes tough things happening to you force you back to be…” (18:29, Paige)

• Both joke about reading habits, preferences for fiction vs. memoir, and the oddity of audiobook apps vs. podcasts.

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6. Gold Diggers & Relationship Gender Roles

Timestamps: 19:47–22:27

• Hannah flips the “gold digger” trope:

  • “I know way more men…like gold diggers in the traditional sense where it’s like she has a lot of followers, or her dad’s rich, or she has a…like, I’ve just seen that way more than I’ve seen women.” (20:14, Hannah)

  • Paige:

    “The women I know are like, I just want a guy who’s nice and funny.” (20:55, Paige)

• Discuss encounters where they've realized men were using them for status or connections.

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7. Narcissists & Using Therapy Words

Timestamps: 22:28–23:57

• The “therapy words” Instagram/TikTok phenomenon:
  • Hannah:

    “The worst thing to ever happen to our generation is men learning therapy words but not actually going [to therapy].” (23:03, Hannah)

  • Paige:

    “Our culture is not your costume.” (23:15, Paige)

• How therapy jargon gets misapplied in dating and arguments.

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8. Nudes, Pick-Me Girls & Survival

Timestamps: 27:53–30:32

• Paige’s “nude leakage plan”:

  • “If your nudes ever leak, say it’s AI. That’s AI, babe.” (28:01, Paige)

• Both admit to not really sending real nudes; instead, they send cat pictures or joke ones.
• Discussion on “pick me” girl behaviors and how women are conditioned for male attention, but outgrow it:

  • “Pick me was also a survival mechanism.” (29:34, Paige)

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9. Women Owning the Joke: Modern Comedy

Timestamps: 30:09–30:32

• Both reflect on women making jokes at men’s expense, subverting the classic “nagging wife in comedy” trope:
  • Paige:

    “I love going on stage and being like, you know what’s annoying about my husband? … That is me making a difference in the world.” (30:30, Paige)

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10. Book Recap: Strangers & Rich People’s Problems

Timestamps: 31:03–32:21

• More on “Strangers”: woman stops working, feels guilty about not being a “full-time” anything, and spotlight on privilege and the problems it brings.
  • Paige:

    “It’s just, it’s interesting ... made me even realize ... my great grandma was a mom, a star.” (31:41, Paige)

  • Hannah:

    “If you choose to stay at home ... totally. I don’t want you to be told you have to do that.” (31:47, Hannah)

• Ali Wong’s standup about whether women were happier before modern “rights” is referenced.

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11. Mean Girl Handwriting & Generational Differences

Timestamps: 41:00–42:26, 41:08, 41:13

• Paige introduces the concept of “mean girl handwriting”—those perfect bubble letters in school.

  • “Mean girl handwriting is the perfect bubble letter ... the girl in the class who’s popular, but like, literally evil inside.” (41:16, Paige)

• Both agree Gen Alpha might not even know how to write by hand anymore.

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12. “Lace” Fashion Debates

Timestamps: 42:26–44:42

• Paige calls out Hannah for wearing lace after previously saying she hates lace.
  • Hannah defends:

    “I don't want to make a blanket statement about lace, but I am looking into it.” (43:48, Hannah)

• Boob size, fashion, and how women always wish for the hair/bodies they don’t have.

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13. Staten Island & Nostalgia for Guido Culture

Timestamps: 34:02–35:42

• Nostalgia for “metrosexuals” and Staten Island guido era.
  • Both reminisce about “growing up Gotti,” blowouts, tanning, and Italian American culture.

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14. Breakups: How to Leave, Why It Takes So Long

Timestamps: 52:54–56:23

• Discuss how women often check out of relationships mentally months before the actual break, how quick the split is, and the feeling of relief after:
  • Paige:

    “It's crazy that it took a year of me thinking about it, but only 10 minutes to actually break up with him.” (52:54, Paige)

  • Hannah:

    “Every boyfriend, I'm like, oh, babe, I'm mentally out of here. I've given you an imaginary deadline. You didn't hit it.” (53:16, Hannah)

  • Both agree the “divine timing” of life is real, and you can’t be mad at yourself for not leaving earlier.

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15. Friendship Dynamic, Making Each Other Laugh

Timestamps: 56:55–57:14

• Both discuss how their perspectives balance each other:
  • Paige: “I think we are different with that.”
  • Hannah: “I said it in a pessimistic way; you said it in an optimistic way. And that’s why we’re best friends.” (57:04, Hannah)

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16. Personal Updates & Life Routines

Timestamps: 57:29–58:13

• Hannah’s focusing on getting her steps, doing “12, 3, 30.”
• Josephine (assistant/producer?) made a creative Instagram video using a TSA bin as a prop.

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17. Closing Out

Timestamps: 58:21–59:11

• Farewells, sibling/family shoutouts.
• Both reveal they're craving/ordering Italian food as they wrap:

  • “I have a chicken parm waiting for me at home. We’re not sisters, Halle, we’re twins.” (58:35, Hannah)

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Notable Quotes

• Paige: “Pick me was also a survival mechanism.” (29:34)
• Hannah: “The worst thing to ever happen to our generation is men learning therapy words but not actually going.” (23:03)
• Paige: “If your nudes ever leak, say it’s AI. That’s AI, babe.” (28:01)
• Hannah: “Every boyfriend, I'm like, oh, babe, I'm mentally out of here. I've given you an imaginary deadline. You didn't hit it.” (53:16)
• Paige: “It's crazy that it took a year of me thinking about it, but only 10 minutes to actually break up with him.” (52:54)
• Hannah: “I truly became like the man I dreamt of.” (30:32)

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Overall Tone

• Light, self-aware, and fast-paced
• Humorous, with moments of genuine depth on self-esteem, relationships, and friendship
• Characteristic “millennial/Gen Z” riffing on pop culture and personal growth

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a quintessential Giggly Squad blend: pop culture absurdity (Kit Kat heists, TikTok trends), real talk on relationships and breakups, funny personal confessions, and sharp insights on gender, power, and modern femininity. Hannah and Paige’s chemistry and recurring jokes keep things playful—even as they break down tough topics like betrayal, self-worth, and outgrowing toxic connections.

Skip ads, but stay for the rants about lace, Staten Island love letters, and the rules of girl code versus mean girl handwriting.

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Transcript

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[Paige]

Sup, gigglers?

[Hannah]

Gary, fix your WI fi.

[Paige]

Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

[Hannah]

I mean, the day Dr. Just got away from me.

[Paige]

Hey, look, I've been traveling all weekend. I've been in four different states.

[Hannah]

No, I actually felt really bad today because look, I wanted to cancel and that's not like crazy.

[Paige]

Guys, I'm on a four hour flight trying to get back to record in the studio with Paige and I'm like, I'm gonna do it for the Gigglers. I'm getting there. We're getting in the studio. I get a text, hey, you wanna do virtual? And I said, I did not fly four hours to get here on time. We're. And I'm in my sunglasses and my glasses.

[Hannah]

Well, we're filming it. It's night time. And so like past a certain point in the day, I'm a baby. That's it. I'm done. And I'm on this new thing where like I just wake up every day at 4:30 and then I'm up. Oh, Kitty's loving it because she's been eating at 6am so she's pumped.

[Paige]

I do have to say 4:30am that's too much day for me.

[Hannah]

No, it's way too much day. So today at 4, I was like, I've done a day.

[Paige]

Well, I landed was like, get your ass to the studio. And then I was on my yellow car. I was like, what did I. What did I miss over the weekend? Did anything happen? Crazy stuff has went down.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Did you hear 12 tons of kit Kats were robbed in Europe. There was a Kit Kat robbery heist

[Hannah]

May have been Kinder Buena sending out a hit.

[Paige]

Wait, like 12? Where? I don't know what a ton is, but it sounds like a lot.

[Hannah]

I think of a ton as like one elephant.

[Paige]

Okay. 12 of them. I didn't even know KitKats could weigh that much because they're wafers.

[Hannah]

Where?

[Paige]

On a train in Europe. So like now I have to wait for the documentary. I. No, I don't. I don't think so. It's come up in multiple possible AI posts.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Paige]

We don't know if anything's real anymore.

[Hannah]

I came to the pod and I said, I have one thing and one thing only to speak about. And it could take the full 45 minutes.

[Paige]

Not the first time it's happened.

[Hannah]

Have you seen on the Internet a thing called catching print?

[Paige]

I have not. I have not. Please educate.

[Hannah]

Honey, take a seat.

[Paige]

If you weren't already said it. Wait, let me get my notes. Let me get my. My favorite pencil.

[Hannah]

A man. Okay, Man. A gay man. And we're back in a gay man again on the Internet and said, girls, enough time has gone by. Enough is enough. Basically you have been. What's the word?

[Paige]

Manipulated.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like your looks are so prominent on how you get treated. You need to start knowing how big men's penis sizes are and I'm going to teach you. Oh. So it's taking hold of TikTok. It's literally taking hold of the Internet. Because when I first saw it, I felt like it was very niche. I was in a weird pocket. I was in like a small Corner of the Internet. And I was like, this is so interesting. Wait till the girls catch on. And as the days go by, the. The girls are making videos about it. So, you know, in, like, a pant, a normal pant for a man, like a jean or a chino. And wear this.

[Paige]

I love how you say chino.

[Hannah]

You know,

[Paige]

there's a girl doing a whole series about words. She loves that you say. I think the one that I saw was. She was like. When Paige says loser, it's like you feel it in your core. You go, loser.

[Hannah]

You're a loser. No. And that's my. That's my Kourtney Kardashian. You're a loser.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And she also likes the way I say sugar. And I loved it. She was like. She makes it sound so good.

[Paige]

It's funny because we don't listen to each other talk, so we don't know how we sound. So that was very fun for us. But I do have to say, like, girls with boobs, they're basically like chest bulges. Like, you can see our boobs.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like, you know.

[Paige]

You know what you're getting?

[Hannah]

Our butts.

[Paige]

You can see our butts. You know what you're getting? Why can't we see?

[Hannah]

So it's very. Yeah. And people treat you completely differently. Like, you're a perfect example. No one knows you have chets. No one knows.

[Paige]

Cause I cover them up.

[Hannah]

And you do that purposefully.

[Paige]

I do it purposefully. Cause I don't want people to treat me better. Cause of my beautiful breasts.

[Hannah]

See, I'd be too powerful and I'd use it for evil. For pure evil. Straight evil.

[Paige]

I was gonna say, you've stuffed your bras a couple nights and it's gotten crazy. You put a little chicken filet. A little chicky chicky.

[Hannah]

You know, the other day I put my nipple pads on.

[Paige]

That is when you're like.

[Hannah]

She goes so them off. It looks ridiculous. You can't go out like that.

[Paige]

Do they also, didn't you get the ones that have, like, a fake piercing?

[Hannah]

I sure did, but you couldn't really tell.

[Paige]

What do we call her? That's not Paige.

[Hannah]

No, I don't know who she is. I haven't even really given her a name yet because she hasn't really experienced the town. Well, because I can't get drunk. I just, like, vomit. So it's a whole thing.

[Paige]

That's Penelope. I can't think of any other pee names.

[Hannah]

No, it's more like. She's like, Priya.

[Paige]

Priya.

[Hannah]

She's like, she's really smart, but she's really slutty and she's fun.

[Paige]

Yeah, Priya is fun. Paige is a businesswoman.

[Hannah]

Yeah, she is. Just, like, she's doing her tuning forks. She's got a red light.

[Paige]

Priya will cancel plans in a second. If someone has more drugs at the next party, 100%.

[Hannah]

Back to catching print. So, like, I don't even know what it's called on, like, where their zipper. Like, it's basically like the little. I mean, it has to have a word. I want to say lapel, but, like, that's not what it is.

[Paige]

The zipper for a pant.

[Hannah]

Yeah, the zipper for a pant. So where the bulge starts would classify how big a man's penis is. Now it's trial and error. You have to learn. So I've watched so many videos.

[Paige]

They're showing examples of, like, Jon Hamm's pants showing examples.

[Hannah]

If it's straight, like, flat, there's no bulge.

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[Hannah]

If it starts, like, the bulge starts up at the top, small, the majority go right in the middle. And you're, like, average. And it is interesting because all of the examples he was showing, you could tell by that man's personality. Like, they carry themselves so much more with how they look under clothes than I think we do.

[Paige]

I do have to say, the guy I was with with the biggest penis, he was one of the nicest guys ever. But I actually felt bad for him because he was. It was to a point where, like, his life was harder because of it. Like, I knew.

[Hannah]

Okay,

[Paige]

no, like.

[Hannah]

Like, someone listening to this is like, we hate men. We're like, we support them. Actually, no, he was sweet, and you

[Paige]

could just tell that he's. There's been many a woman be like, you know what? This.

[Hannah]

Including myself, it's too much.

[Paige]

I can't do this. I don't want to do a whole.

[Hannah]

Kidding me? Yeah.

[Paige]

You don't feel like you're getting divergent every time? It's. It's not. I mean, it's not fun.

[Hannah]

I don't know if I've ever been in this situation. Now I've been in the opposite one, but I'm like, let's sit down. Let's talk about it. You definitely have trauma here, and I'm not gonna tell anyone, but what about

[Paige]

the grower versus shower theory?

[Hannah]

Yeah. Which is real. Totally. He didn't touch on it.

[Paige]

He didn't touch on it. Okay, so there's.

[Hannah]

There's factors, but there's. I definitely could see where he was coming from. I was trying to think of, like, one example.

[Paige]

I love that the gay man was

[Hannah]

like, girls, get it together.

[Paige]

As someone who knows. Yeah, Let me tell you. But then there's all these other things, like looking at forearms, looking at hands, looking at. I do. I do think if he has thick fingers, there's something there.

[Hannah]

Yeah, absolutely. One time in band camp, I really hate even. I really hate that I'm even about to tell this story, but it popped in my head. And so, like, I feel like when that happens, I. On giggly squad.

[Paige]

You have to say it.

[Hannah]

It's like God being like, bring it to the forefront. I've given you this forum. Share.

[Paige]

Share with the class.

[Hannah]

One time, I dated this guy. This is years ago, years ago, so please don't judge me. I dated this guy, and I found out that he was, in fact, cheating on me. Fine. Totally do your thing. I found out because I went through his phone, but I saw that he was, in fact, sending spicy mirror pics, which I thought that was for girls, but totally do your thing.

[Paige]

Do you think a full body pic that a guy sends nude, that's gay?

[Hannah]

100%.

[Paige]

I agree.

[Hannah]

Now, he was in boxers, okay. When he sent this picture.

[Paige]

So he was just sending her a face card.

[Hannah]

Just like, do you like Fruit of the Loom? I don't know what their interaction look

[Paige]

smacks whatever the kids are doing.

[Hannah]

It was just weird. But anyway, I'll never forget being in this moment because I'm, like, pouring myself into the cell phone and I'm reading all these messages, and I see this picture pop up. And so I'm zooming in, and I'm like, in what world is that your penis in that picture, Hannah? I forget now.

[Paige]

This is so.

[Hannah]

This is going back. Like, I'm going back over 10 years. Like, maybe 10 years. Whatever. I know that I was home alone for whatever situation. Or maybe he was in the other room. Maybe I was on an iPad. I don't know. But I know that I was in the bedroom by myself. I found what I believe he was stuffing his pants with, and I.

[Paige]

You are an investigative journalist, and if anyone tells you you're not, they're lying.

[Hannah]

And I just had a moment where I was like, no, something's mentally wrong.

[Paige]

What was he using?

[Hannah]

Socks.

[Paige]

But the way he cracked him or chicken are more similar than different. You go, babe, get a chicken cutlet.

[Hannah]

I'm like, wait, I could have. It's gonna be somewhat squishy and believable

[Paige]

for these photos that he sent Me for these photos.

[Hannah]

It was such a jarring time in my life that I couldn't even make sense of it. And I'm gonna be honest. I don't think I've ever told anyone that story because I was so embarrassed and freaked out. So I just thought, like, let's just wait 10 years and I'll tell millions of people.

[Paige]

Now the girls have something else to watch out for.

[Hannah]

Isn't that so weird and creepy?

[Paige]

There was a time when, like, we had flip phones. We were 14. You couldn't really send, like, blurry iPhone days. But I'm saying in general, like, there was a time where we were told, like, if you send a nude.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

It will go everywhere.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And you'll die.

[Hannah]

I'll never forget. Remember in, like, 2012 when all the girls, like, iclouds got hacked.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Pictures got leaked.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And the whole narrative online was, you're famous. Why would you have nude pictures? Do you remember that?

[Paige]

A girl have fun?

[Hannah]

No, but before and after, like, whimsy, like, let me do what I want in the mirror, you know?

[Paige]

But that terrified me and in my life for some reason.

[Hannah]

I remember the time you sent me, like, that nude when it was like, but. But it was like a shadow. Like, it wasn't you.

[Paige]

It was so artsy. Whenever I send a nude, it has to somehow be funny or artsy and arguably, possibly not me. So I always think I'm going to be in a scandal where I could be like, that wasn't me.

[Hannah]

Why do you look like you are an only fan manager? Like, I just got a glimpse of you, and I'm like, I feel like you're going to steal me after this pod. You're going to be like, hey, Paige, get in this van.

[Paige]

I look like a sketchy producer. No, I can't see her here right now. You guys. I've had a weekend. I've had a weekend.

[Hannah]

No, you. How many shows did you do this weekend?

[Paige]

Well, I realized when I did the math, I'm going to be at 65 shows for this tour. I have two more left in North Carolina, and then I'm done. Did I have strep throat this weekend? Probably. It was tough. It was.

[Hannah]

Where did you go? Where?

[Paige]

I was in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Salt Lake City.

[Hannah]

How are they all doing? How are the Mormons?

[Paige]

Oh, my God. The Mormons are great. I kind of walked on and I was like, you guys are the center of everything right now. Like, I'm in the belly of the beast right now, but the Mormons

[Hannah]

no,

[Paige]

there's just so much scandal happening from, like, a book. I also book a Mormon. I told them I know about the White Salamander. I said, thank you for your work in genealogy or whatever they're into. But I. It's like when you're talking shit about someone and then they walk into the room. That's how I felt with the Mormons. Like, I'm like, you guys know what I've. What I've said in some podcasts.

[Hannah]

You know, like, when we were in high school, like, something would happen over the weekend. You'd be like, wow, when I show up to homeroom, like, Monday morning, I'm going to kill myself. That's just like going on TikTok now. Like, it's truly just like opening your phone. It's like, wow, okay, so everyone knows about it. Got it. It's too much. It's too, too much.

[Paige]

Yeah, I'm like, in the need of a phone break. I think you go on the bench.

[Hannah]

Hannah's gonna sit this one out because it's not healthy. It's not good for anyone. Yeah.

[Paige]

Speaking of drama, I didn't actually read a book. I read an audiobook.

[Hannah]

Okay. Different.

[Paige]

Totally different.

[Hannah]

Totally different.

[Paige]

Do you know I was like, I'm gonna do the audiobook. Then I was like, where are audiobooks?

[Stephen]

I've never.

[Paige]

I know.

[Hannah]

We've never gotten one.

[Paige]

I know. We recorded one. You have to download a whole app?

[Hannah]

Yep.

[Paige]

I thought it was just like a podcast. I was like, where's the audiobooks? I had to download an app. I'm.

[Hannah]

You did? On your phone?

[Paige]

Yeah. I'm in a subscription based service now. I had to give my firstborn away.

[Hannah]

Question, when you're listening to an audiobook, are you doing something else?

[Paige]

Great question. So I was on the flight and I put it on and I realized I need more. I need more stimulation. So I put something on the TV on mute while I was.

[Hannah]

Oh, yeah, you're sick.

[Paige]

I'm sick. I needed a lot going on. And then I would kind of like space out. And then once I heard something get juicy, I'd rewind. Kind of like how you watch movies.

[Hannah]

Exactly. See, I see you.

[Paige]

I see you. I hear you. So I love when a book goes viral because, like, let's give it up for old school. Let's give it up for ballet. Let's give it up for opera. Like, let's give it up for the crafts. Like, original art. Okay.

[Hannah]

Whatever happened to taking pen to paper?

[Paige]

What happened to, like, writing on a stone?

[Hannah]

Like, Scribes and squires.

[Paige]

Bring it back, bring it back. Cause they walk so we could run.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So Stuart, who's on the road with me, told me that there's a book called the Strangers. And I said, ooh, what is that about? And she's like, everyone's talking about it. So you know, it's called Strangers and it's by Belle Burden now. It's called A Memoir of Marriage. The reason it's interesting is cause she is an affluent New Yorker. Her great grandpa, like invented oil or something. She's related to some really fashion socialite icons. She went to fancy school. She's a fancy New Yorker, and she's exposing her marriage in this book. And the most beautiful part about it is fiction.

[Hannah]

Nonfiction.

[Paige]

Nonfiction.

[Hannah]

Oh, wow.

[Paige]

Yeah. So she's. And she's telling the story and you would. You're gonna get pissed. But it's also beautiful. When she was younger, she was a really great writer. She wanted to be a fictional writer. And she got into this class freshman year and she wrote this story. And a senior in the class who was a guy, raised his hand and said, I think you suck at writing and I hate your work. And she said, the. The teacher was a man. Didn't say anything. And like a little bit later, a girl spoke up to defend her, but she was like, it was too late. I already decided I don't want to write anymore. So she went into. She's like a genius. She did law, finance, she did all this stuff. She meets this guy and he's handsome and perfect. Went to Cornell and everything's going great. And then wait, I don't want to give away, but long story short, she kills her husband, shit goes down, and as all these horrible things happen to her, she ends up writing a best selling novel. So it's a crazy story about how you're actually sometimes rock bottom and like tough things happening to you forces the universe, forces you back to be just

[Hannah]

like man to just fuck everything up.

[Paige]

No, I know, I know. And there are moments in it where you want to punch a wall. I'm actually not done with it, but if anyone wants a little audiobook, or you could order it and actually read it old school.

[Hannah]

That's what I'd like to do. Yeah, that I've done once.

[Paige]

Are you gonna read?

[Hannah]

I'm gonna keep going.

[Paige]

Strangers. Are you gonna do it?

[Hannah]

No, I'm. I'm fiction. I can't do anything that's like possibly real because I feel like my life is. Is an. I'm like, I'M like, I'm in my life. I'm like, this is a novel, this is a book. This is actually. This is a nightmare. This is, you know, like what. This is a tragedy of a trilogy. This is, this is the prequel. And you know, like this is, this is too much.

[Paige]

It's a comedy, it's a horror.

[Hannah]

It's a tragic. No, it's. Yeah, it's Shakespearean is what it is.

[Paige]

It's a lot people love when a rich person.

[Hannah]

Something bad, something bad happens.

[Paige]

And she's just like, yeah, I was privileged, everything's perfect. She was like, I was in my Martha. Martha's Vineyard house in Covid.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And then went down. Everyone's like, yes, talk about it. I. It's like I hate when rich people pretend they don't have problems because yeah, there's.

[Hannah]

Then there's money issues, different kinds of problems.

[Paige]

And look, rich people's money issues are like, like next level.

[Hannah]

Like people don't even really like, like you have to be weary of people that don't like you for you and just like you because you're privileged.

[Paige]

Well, I was. She talks about meeting this guy and how he. They just like work together and then he finds out she was speaking at something cuz her dad is like a big art collector and he suddenly was like, wait, that's you. And then like he suddenly was like obsessed with her.

[Hannah]

One thing I'm waiting for because I feel like in life things just like will flip flop at some point. Like truths come out or it's like you get new information or whatever. I'm really ready for the era where men get called out for being like such clout chasers. Like, I know way more men. I'm not kidding. I know way more men that are like gold diggers in the traditional sense where it's like she has a lot of followers or like her dad's rich or like she has a. Like I've just seen that way more than I've seen women. Like all the women I know are successful like in their own right.

[Paige]

Like the women I know are like, I just want a guy who's nice and funny.

[Hannah]

Literally just nice.

[Paige]

Giving is nice and makes me laugh. That's all I need.

[Hannah]

There's so many tiktoks of girls just being like, we're so tired. Like my. All my friends are tired. My friends that are in their late 20s are tired. My friends in like their late 30s are tired.

[Paige]

Well, that happened to me like in my late 20s for the first time ever. I I realized a man was using me, but I was like, there's no fucking way.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

That a man is using me.

[Hannah]

Yeah. It's like dystopia.

[Paige]

I'm an innocent girl.

[Hannah]

I'm a baby, dear. I'm a baby, and my job is to wear cute outfits.

[Paige]

Like, don't use me for your. Your shit. You have the patriarchy. Why do you need me involved?

[Hannah]

When you're in your 20s and you. You're in that type of situation, and you realize. Almost feels like someone's, like, copying your homework, like, to dumb it down to the lowest level feeling. It literally feels like someone copied your essay, handed it in first. And then everyone thinks, like, that you guys did it together. So it's like, no, she cheated off of me.

[Paige]

Not to say something controversial and not to compliment a narcissist.

[Hannah]

I've done it a couple times in my life.

[Paige]

Some of these narcissists have incredible taste. Like, can we discuss how these narcissists, they incredible star power before you see it?

[Hannah]

There are so many ex boyfriends where I'm like, you could start a talent agency.

[Paige]

Start a talent agency if you're gonna find us before we know what we're capable of. I'm like, they saw something in me that I never saw myself.

[Hannah]

And you look, starting Star Search.

[Paige]

It's crazy because so many people in my past who have sucked the life out of me or, like, wish bad for me, I look back now and I go, oh, my God. They.

[Hannah]

You knew I was.

[Paige]

They thought well of me.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, they thought more of me than I thought of myself. But I didn't see it, and I didn't get it why I was a problem. Yeah, the buzzword thing with, like, narcissists and stuff like that, like, sometimes they are valid. Like, sometimes it's not. But if someone says, stop using buzzwords, that doesn't mean it's not true.

[Hannah]

No, the worst.

[Paige]

Sometimes they're actually 100% true.

[Hannah]

The worst thing to ever happen to our generation is men learning therapy words but not actually going and then being

[Paige]

like, I know that's a therapy word. Don't use that on me.

[Hannah]

And that's plagiarism at its finest.

[Paige]

That's actually. Our culture is not your costume.

[Hannah]

No, our culture is, like, when I

[Paige]

do the work to know what narcissistic abuse is, and then I see it, and then I call it out, and then I'm called crazy when I'm over

[Hannah]

here saying, that's a reaction to your action, because I learned that A couple years ago. And you're gonna sit here and you've never seen a human therapist, and you're gonna talk about therapy jargon. Like, take us have several seats. I just like, no, that is one thing with Tick Tock, where it's like. It's almost like too much information. Because then you will get, like, random tiktoks where it's like, I'm a therapist. And I'm like, it doesn't sound like a good one.

[Paige]

TikTok for some reason, like, everyone I follow and I like, who are, like, funny, cool, stylish people. None of them is on my feed.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And it's just, like, random crap. And God forbid I look at something too long. Then it's like, the rest of the day, I'm, yeah, it's all that. But it's like, I don't want to see random people, like con artists telling me things. Things just for clicks. Yeah, but that's what, like, the Internet's become.

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[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

And it truly feels like your skin. And I love that you're doing something

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[Hannah]

I don't want to put makeup on.

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[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

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[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan Fellas. I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Paige]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

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[Paige]

Also, not to go full circle, but do you think the Kit Kat robbery.

[Hannah]

I'm so glad we're back.

[Paige]

Was a man or a woman?

[Hannah]

It's like a legitimate robbery.

[Paige]

Yeah, I think Kit Kat, it could have been a woman on her period.

[Hannah]

That's so sexist and misogynistic. That was up.

[Paige]

But was it wrong?

[Hannah]

Ingenious. I don't. Where are you selling Kick Ass on the black market?

[Paige]

You're about to leave this podcast. Go on your phone because your phone's listening to you, and you're going to get nonsense stories about this TikTok robbery. And don't get mad at me.

[Hannah]

It's giving the guy that got abducted by dolphins for three days. That's what this story is giving.

[Paige]

When was that?

[Hannah]

There was like an AI story that a guy was like. It was abducted by dolphins and I built them a home. And it's like that was fake.

[Paige]

Also, to bring it all together. The good thing about nudes, we keep

[Hannah]

bringing it all together. We haven't gotten one place.

[Paige]

We haven't started anything.

[Hannah]

Oh, yeah. To bring it together way here.

[Paige]

The one good thing About AI is that if your nudes ever leak, say it's AI. That's AI, babe.

[Hannah]

At this big age, leak em. Literally leak em. What was I so scared of? Sure. Oh, I was 19. Post it.

[Paige]

Please

[Hannah]

let me stay on their necks. Post it.

[Paige]

It's true though. You've never taken a nude you weren't proud of?

[Hannah]

Well, yes, I've taken a nude I'm not proud of. I've never sent you.

[Paige]

No, I mean, if you look through the camera, roll crazy.

[Hannah]

No, I'm really. I've never really been huge into that.

[Paige]

Yeah, me and you don't do nudes. Because I feel like we're talking so much that. Yeah, we don't need that.

[Hannah]

Also, I'm so good at ignoring text messages.

[Paige]

Oh. When a guy's like.

[Hannah]

Yeah, because you want to know what if you ask a guy three questions in a row in text messages. 3. They're only responding to the last one because their brains can't process that. There were two questions prior to that. And that's how I work. When they ask for like, nudes, I'm like, oh, sorry. I guess I didn't see that text.

[Paige]

Oh, what I used to do. Oh my God, this is making me remember my 20s when a guy would be like, let me see. Whatever. I would just always send a photo of a cat laying on their back. And I thought it was so cute and funny. And he'd be like, haha, you're so crazy.

[Hannah]

Send it.

[Paige]

And I was like, I'm just a crazy quirky. I was like, you never met a girl like me?

[Hannah]

Yeah. You're like, I'm not like other girls. I don't dress sexy.

[Paige]

I love cats. Yeah, no, like, I'm so annoying. I dressed as Post Malone for four years straight.

[Hannah]

No, look, I feel like the word pick me gets thrown around a lot.

[Paige]

And it's like, pick me was also a survival mechanism.

[Hannah]

What's like, one other thing we can get mad at girls for doing and like, how they act. But like, there are so many traits of being a pick me girl that I've 100% had that you have to. You have to like, grow out. You just grow out of certain things, but you almost don't realize it when you're doing it because, like, society has almost like trained you to be a pick me. And then you hit a point where you're like, actually, I am really smart. And so, like, I'm not gonna pretend that I'm not in front of you.

[Paige]

Well, that's the point of giggly squad. Like, growing up when you would watch comedy, like, the women were always about the joke. Whenever you see a male comedian, he's always making fun of his wife, who's so naggy. His wife is. Oh, my wife, my kid. So I love going on stage and being like, you know what's annoying about my husband? Yeah. And that is me making a difference in the world.

[Hannah]

No, I truly became like the man I've dreamt of. Like, I think I would lay in bed in college and just be like, he's really successful. He's like, passionate. He has, like multiple areas of income. He like, owns an apartment. Apartment. Can take care of an animal, can keep a plant alive. And then I just became that, well,

[Paige]

it's funny in strangers. My new favorite thing.

[Hannah]

Personality. Yes.

[Paige]

She was doing great. And then at some point, obviously she has kids. And then she.

[Hannah]

How old is Shay?

[Paige]

I think she had kids, like in her 30s. And she basically stopped working. And she had nannies too. So she felt this guilt of like, I'm not even a full full time mom, but I'm not working. And then everything was just around the husband's schedule and work. Even though she's the one with the big trust fund. But he's like feeling like the man of the house. And it's just, it's. It's interesting. And it made me even realize, like, I was thinking about during my familysearch.org welcome to the pod, how like, what people in my family did for a living. And then I was like, that's so sad. Like, I know for a fact my great grandma was a mom, a star.

[Hannah]

Oh, like, deep down was a star, but, like, was mom.

[Paige]

There was no chance that she was like a butcher.

[Hannah]

I think if you choose to stay at home and like, take care of a family and take care of a home. Totally.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Hannah]

It's more. I don't want you to be told you have to do that.

[Paige]

Yes. Ali Wong famously has a joke where she's like, we wanted to vote, we wanted all these rights and we wanted to be like, we're smart too. And then she's like, or were we smarter before when they thought we were dumb and we could just do pilates all day and, and that kind of thing.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

But the point is, is that when you are a trad wife, you don't have power. And sometimes you think you do, but if things go wrong, you don't.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And it's just like picking who you're gonna marry. It's really like they could kill you.

[Paige]

No, literally, like, you have to always

[Hannah]

keep in the back of your head that you could get murdered.

[Paige]

And if you do get murdered, it's 80% chance that it's the husband.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Paige]

And 75% of the time, statistics aren't correct.

[Hannah]

Is that real? Does that make any sense? That just put my brain in a fucking pretzel.

[Paige]

That was a dad joke. I think that was literally a joke. My dad told me once. Where have the metrosexuals gone?

[Hannah]

They came out of the closet. That's why the term's gone. That's why they're gone.

[Paige]

But I just feel like we've created so many different identities. But, like, metrosexuals got deleted.

[Hannah]

I know for a fact this sentence came out of my mouth in, like, 2008. Like, I'm really into metrosexual guys. Like, fast forward. Yeah, Paige, we know. Could have seen that coming.

[Paige]

I remember, like, joking and calling a guy friend a metrosexual. Cause he, like, had a jacket with a pattern on it, and it was, like, a whole thing. But, like, I feel like it was

[Hannah]

guys that really liked hairspray and, like, used a blow dryer.

[Paige]

Yes, yes.

[Hannah]

You know?

[Paige]

Yes. And they, like. They tweeze their eyebrows.

[Hannah]

Tweezer eyebrows, or get them waxed. And, like, you can tell when a guy is manicured.

[Paige]

Like, what's the difference between a Guido and a Metroid? I knew because we just described Pauly Waiting. We just describe Pauly D. Which.

[Hannah]

Look, I'm not going to talk bad about my first love. Like, I'm not going to talk bad that I.

[Paige]

Have you met Paulie before?

[Hannah]

I haven't, but. Did you ever watch the show growing up, Gotti?

[Paige]

Yes.

[Hannah]

That was, like, one of my biggest sexual awakenings, I feel like. Because I feel like I was in, like, I don't know, maybe, like, fifth or sixth grade. And I was just like, what?

[Paige]

When he walked out with his spiked hair and his white headband.

[Hannah]

What is. What is that? Like, I.

[Paige]

How bad did you want to go tanning with him?

[Hannah]

So badly. I'm trying to think of, like, what one was my favorite. And I can't even think of his name, but I know he was the youngest one. One.

[Paige]

I went to a school in Brooklyn where it was just all growing up. Gotti.

[Hannah]

No, I loved an earring. I loved a blowout. Like, I was like, no, that's cool. Like, I liked when they had such sunburn under their eyes from the tanning bed. Like, you could see the goggle. Like, I loved that.

[Paige]

Have you ever been to the Staten Island Mall?

[Hannah]

No, but I feel like I love that.

[Paige]

Also loved it. There was a time, and who knew it was the time in history where, like, you look back and there's cavemen.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

There was a time in the Staten Island Mall where every guy had a blowout and a white Nike headband, full tan, diamond studs.

[Hannah]

The more I think about it, I've never been to Staten island, but. But you want to know what people are, like, so rude to people that are from Staten Island. And now that I think about it, like, those are our people.

[Paige]

They are like, they are.

[Hannah]

I would say they are also primarily Italian. And it gets a lot of, like, gross. Staten Island. I bet they have some of. I bet they have some of the best food.

[Paige]

Yeah. Do you think that they have their own little secret? They're like, yeah, I keep talking shit about Staten island, but it's like, actually, like, a tropical village.

[Hannah]

Well, we talk about, like, cats having, like, bad pr, but they, like, don't care. I feel like this. That's like, the same with, like, Italians.

[Paige]

I heard there's just huge mansions everywhere.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

They're like, look at Staten Island. Not the worst island of the year.

[Hannah]

No. Devin,

[Paige]

did I touch.

[Hannah]

Wait, that was really good. Dark, but really good.

[Paige]

Not to bring up reality tv.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Someone was telling me that, like, Ladies of London is really good.

[Hannah]

Yeah. You can't watch it.

[Paige]

I can't watch it because I have ptsd. But it made me think I used to love maiden Chelsea. Can we. Can the girls who are bored and want a rewatch of something watch Made in Chelsea.

[Hannah]

I would rewatch it, except it's like 17 seasons.

[Paige]

Is it? But don't you like that?

[Hannah]

Yeah, but there's something about me. Like, I. I'm a product of my environment. I'm literally Gen Z. Like, I want new. I want more. I want it right now. Give it to me now. Like, if I ordered it now, then deliver it now. Like, I don't like watching older things because I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. What did you just make? Like, when I go on Netflix and something new is up there and it says 2026 under it, I. I get jacked up.

[Paige]

Put a little fire emoji on.

[Hannah]

It is a new show. No one's seen it yet. Fucking play it. Like, I get so excited. Speaking of murder, there is actually a new show on Netflix and each episode. No, each episode is a different murder in New York City.

[Paige]

Yes, I've seen that. It was charting really High. I. I'm still binging Drag Race.

[Hannah]

Oh, right.

[Paige]

I have a full time job right now, but Drag Race, just to go back on Drag Race, it's so amazing. They're writing songs, they're acting, they're doing standup, they're doing roast, they're making dresses, they're doing everything. So the other day, I was talking to a brand and they were like, can you do, like, tell a story or something for us? And I said, what if I told a story through song?

[Hannah]

No, you didn't.

[Paige]

And my team was like, hey, you're really busy this weekend. I don't know if you'll have the time.

[Hannah]

And I said, what kind of song?

[Paige]

Like.

[Hannah]

Like you were gonna do an ad and it was gonna be you singing a song.

[Paige]

So I wrote a song because I was passionate about it. I just. When I.

[Hannah]

When the creativity comes to save the

[Paige]

brand, it's for honest wipes. And immediately I knew exactly. It flowed through me. And everyone was like, you've never done this before. And, like, it's a quick turnaround. And I said, guys, I got this. So before my show on, like, Saturday, I had Stuart film the music video. And the world premiere is airing today on Tuesday, my first ever music drop. And, yeah, I'm doing well. I told my husband. He was like, what?

[Hannah]

No, you've gone too far.

[Paige]

I've gone too. But this is the thing.

[Hannah]

Your confidence, your confidence should be studied, because it wouldn't even enter my fucking brain to be like, let's put on a performance. Let's do a little ditty.

[Paige]

I don't know if it's confident. It's more that I. I like to try new things. Hashtag, can I be sure?

[Hannah]

Anything.

[Paige]

And I like to challenge myself. I get bored very easily.

[Hannah]

That's why we're friends. Because I hate new things. I hate change. I'm not going out of my comfort zone. That's insane.

[Paige]

Also, you guys know how I live my life. And someone DM'd me, actually. Because a lot of things I post are rage bait.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

For you.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And I know when you don't respond

[Hannah]

that like, you got someone DM'd me the other day.

[Sponsor Voice]

What did you post?

[Hannah]

And they were like. They were like, why would she do that? Like, we know you're obviously going through.

[Paige]

I posted, like, these shocks. Like a crazy shoe.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And people.

[Hannah]

And it was like a bad flat.

[Paige]

And this girl, Caroline Bassette, Christine Cranston, wrote page bait. And I'm like, that's what it's called now. Page bait. So I feel like the music video is also a little page bait. Because I just want to see your reaction. I just. That's how I. Whatever.

[Hannah]

You live your truth.

[Paige]

I live my truth.

[Hannah]

No, it's comforting to me to know that you move throughout your day and you think of me.

[Paige]

Such games. Because it was such abandoned.

[Hannah]

No, like, you think of me whether it's. Whether it's, like, going to annoy her or make her happy. Who cares? You're thinking of.

[Paige]

Also, can I just say I do respect your boundaries, because when we were first doing our tour, I was like, okay, obviously we need, like, a dance opening. And you said, over my dead body. And I never brought it up again.

[Hannah]

Wait, I was just gonna say I must have expelled that from my brain. Oh, yeah. Because I don't even remember that.

[Paige]

I just was like, do we do a little. A little dance in the beginning? And you said.

[Hannah]

Actually, I think I might have thought you were kidding.

[Paige]

You gave me a. You gave me that side look. You give. And I said, I'm so sorry, Ms. Paige.

[Hannah]

Yeah, there's. Sometimes I'm like, don't even.

[Paige]

Don't.

[Hannah]

Don't even. Come with me.

[Paige]

She saw a message. They were like, I know Paige is having a day, and she doesn't need this.

[Hannah]

When in doubt, I don't need this.

[Paige]

Have you heard about mean girl handwriting? And you know what I have seen over the years, there's been some accusations of mean girl behavior.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And I just want to say you do not have mean girl handwriting.

[Hannah]

I don't even know what it is, but I knew I didn't have it.

[Paige]

Mean girl handwriting is the perfect bubble letter. And it's not, like, nerdy. It's, like, crisp and, like, the. The girl in the class who's popular, but, like, literally evil inside. I really think that's true. I've never met a mean girl who writes messy. No, never, Never.

[Hannah]

Maybe it has something to do with, like, the brain hand connectivity.

[Paige]

Like, it's psychopathic. Like, you have to be a psychopath to, like, start a sentence and be as crisp by the end.

[Hannah]

It's so funny, though, because there were so many girls in high school where I would be like, I love her notebook, but I hate her.

[Paige]

Does Jen Alpha even know how to write?

[Hannah]

No. I did get a DM the other day from a giggler that was like, a lot of the people you're talking about is Gen Alpha. Okay? And I was just like, okay, let's apologize. And so, like, I apologize that there are some times That I say Gen Z, and I mean Gen Alpha. Cause she was like, I'm almost 30, and I would never do that.

[Paige]

Also, you came at me for how I looked, which was perfectly valid, but now I have to bring something up. The gigglers are gonna be upset. You said you hate lace. Why are you wearing lace?

[Hannah]

Oh, this is quite different.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Hannah]

This is quite different.

[Paige]

Stick your case.

[Hannah]

This is quite different because.

[Paige]

Keep repeating it, and it'll. It'll.

[Hannah]

And this is quite different because coming up with, like, a tour theme, like, me and Hannah were trying to think, like, okay, if we do another tour, like, what would the theme be? And, like, so we just, like, go back and forth with, like, stupid jokes. But this is quite different.

[Paige]

Is it good? This is quite.

[Hannah]

Quite different than last time. This is different because it's the same color as the shirt. Like, it's not a different color.

[Sponsor Voice]

Lace.

[Hannah]

And you can't see through it, really. Like, it's not giving that, like, full, lacy vibe.

[Paige]

Okay. Yeah. You don't like what looks like lingerie?

[Hannah]

Yeah, there's just, like, certain things, certain pieces that I think lace makes look a little matronly. And it's not. It's not across the board. So, like, I do. Whenever I say this, I get a lot of gigglers, like, DMing me their wedding dress that's, like, full of lace. And there are some I like and some I don't. I don't want to make a blanket statement about lace, but I'm not going to ever tell you that I don't like your wedding dress because my handwriting's not that good. So, like, I can't do that.

[Paige]

I just want you to, like, hold

[Hannah]

yourself accountable, live in my truth.

[Paige]

The things you've said in the past.

[Hannah]

I've had a lot of Daphne meetings about lace.

[Paige]

Really?

[Hannah]

Yeah. Because the girls do like it. And I'm gonna be honest. I've looked at so many swatches, and there are some that I'm just like. I don't like that, though. And I can't make something that I don't like. But I am looking into it.

[Paige]

Also, when you do have a smaller boob, like, if I had smaller boobs, I feel like I would wear, like, those little laces all the time. Not full lace, but, you know, like, I feel like I'm literally wearing lingerie.

[Hannah]

You know what's funny is, like, I live my life being like.

[Paige]

You know what's funny? From the beginning of time, when my

[Hannah]

mom met my dad, the purpose of our existence, There are so many Times where I say to myself, wow, if I had big boobs, I would be like, I would do this or I would do that or I would wear that. And it's important to know that there's a girl somewhere else living your opposite life, wishing she had your problems.

[Paige]

And I would say the same thing about straight haired girls and curly haired girls.

[Hannah]

Yes.

[Paige]

I've never met a curly hair girl that wasn't like, I wish my hair was straight. Yeah, every straight hair girl is like, I wish my hair would hold a curl.

[Hannah]

You know, we actually have pretty similar air dried hair that we. And we don't talk about it a lot.

[Paige]

We don't talk about it.

[Hannah]

We have like the same kind of.

[Paige]

Except people think mine is stringy.

[Hannah]

Do they?

[Paige]

Because I don't brush it all the time.

[Hannah]

I don't really brush mine. Like, I didn't brush mine. This is like textures. Like Tresma Texture Spray.

[Paige]

Oh, good call. Good job.

[Hannah]

Good plug. Did you guys hear that? Yeah, that was organic.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Hannah]

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[Paige]

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[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan.

[Paige]

Fellas.

[Hayden]

I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Paige]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered, raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

News flash, I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find Fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts.

[Paige]

My mom is getting a Bob tomorrow. A cunty Bob.

[Hannah]

Stop.

[Paige]

I know.

[Hannah]

How short is she going?

[Paige]

She was going, like, Zendaya Vibe. Like, right under the ear. Like, a little. And a Win tour. I don't think she's. But she wants a side part. I don't know. I'm excited for her, but I'm a little nervous my mom might have a new personality afterwards.

[Hannah]

Well, that does happen with a Bob.

[Paige]

She's gonna start being Kurt with me.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Hannah]

Sorry. Do you want to know why that made me stop? Because this is so personal. Once I made a psychic tell me that the guy named Curtis actually was gonna come into my life and like, to be weary of him. And so, like, I'm not kidding. At least once a month, I think.

[Paige]

Like, when did they say that to you? When did they say that to you?

[Hannah]

Like, two years ago.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Hannah]

Did someone say that to you?

[Paige]

No, No. I just. I do have a friend who. A mutual friend who I think was with a guy named Curtis who was not good for her.

[Hannah]

I don't know that person. So I don't. I don't. I'm not privy to that information. I sent an email today with the word privy.

[Paige]

How'd you spell it?

[Hannah]

Wait. Okay. You know, wait. Wrong. At first I sent it. I spelled it pre veg. At first. I did an E. It's a Y at the end. I sent an email today, and you guys know my mom's on my emails, but this one, she was legit on

[Paige]

you Both were editing

[Hannah]

this one, like, she was there. She was in the throat thread. Like, Kim Deservo. People knew she was. She was allowed to.

[Paige]

Okay. She was actually there.

[Hannah]

I had seen her response that she had sent the night before. And then this morning, I woke up and I wrote my own response to an email. And she texted me like 20 minutes later and was like, saw your response.

[Paige]

Superb job and superb. Wait, if some. If some. If someone I respected said I did something superb, I'd retire.

[Hannah]

Because I, like, obviously I second guess myself, but I like every other woman. I take away the exclamation marks that I think that I need. I don't give, like, hi, sorry. I give. No, what the fuck? Like, I give. I try and email the way a man would email, but then I do always have a regret where I'm like, oh, my God, do they think I'm a bitch? Like, was that really mean? Or, like, was that assertive? And my mom giving me that, like, that was a phenomenal email.

[Paige]

Me and you together are really good at business because we always play good cop, bad cop.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And we go back and forth, but, like, if you say something stern, I always go, lol. And if I have, like, a lot of ideas, you go, oh, Hannah, being crazy again. So we, like, softened. Actually, people were really pissed that I about that clip. Some people, I think that I. That I didn't interrupt the meeting to say, like, I got the wrong food and that I should have been more assertive about it.

[Hannah]

Oh, shut the fuck up. I hate when people say and then, okay, well, if I was in the situation.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Hannah]

And then people were like, in the situation.

[Paige]

You shouldn't be eating like that in an important meeting. This is the thing.

[Hannah]

We.

[Paige]

I was up since 5am we got off a flight straight to the meeting. I. I have a lot going on, and sometimes I don't want to deal with you. I don't want to get into altercation with the waiter.

[Hannah]

Do not revenge yourself here, honey, over a situation that no one's even seen. No, we didn't even give good details. Honestly, we told the story wrong. So please do not sit here and think you're going to defend yourself.

[Paige]

We does Kim. Has she ever given any notes about my emails?

[Hannah]

No, she hasn't really, but I'll keep an ear out.

[Paige]

Yeah, keep an ear out.

[Hannah]

The la. Actually, the other day my dad called me and he was like, you said no to. And like, said something. I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, why didn't you want to do that? I was like, it doesn't really work with my schedule.

[Paige]

I'm like, wait, were you on my emails?

[Hannah]

And he was like, oh, your mom.

[Paige]

I think they sit down for dinner, Hannah.

[Hannah]

They sit. I'm not kidding. They sit, sit down for dinner. They turn on Giggly Squad on the TV on YouTube. Doesn't matter if it's. If they've watched Mondays and it's. If they watch Tuesday's episode, they're re watching it Wednesday, and then they're waiting for Fridays. They sit there, they bring up their laptop.

[Paige]

That's my family.

[Hannah]

They look to see what I'm doing. They talk about me.

[Paige]

Meanwhile, your brother Gary's like, hello.

[Hannah]

Oh, please. He had his time. Okay? He had his chance and he had his time.

[Paige]

He did my thing with emails. When I'm. When I have the power in the situation. I love no punctuation.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Not like in a girly, like, way, like just writing exo and stuff. But I just, I. I respond as fast as possible.

[Hannah]

And as I think that's the most

[Paige]

important and just like, da, da, da, da. So it's like I'm running.

[Hannah]

I think it's more important and I should take my own advice. I think it's more important to respond faster, fast than to have like a complete thought, thought, idea, a thousand percent.

[Paige]

And I actually, from strangers, I learned this lady was talking about she was in a relationship that she didn't want to be in. And she goes, I finally got the balls to break up with him. And she's like, it's crazy that it took a year of me thinking about it, but only 10 minutes to actually break up with him. Oh, did you feel that?

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Well, you got, like a visceral reaction to that.

[Hannah]

I felt because I thought I was the only person, because no, sometimes I, like, would think that there was something wrong with me, that I'm like, every boyfriend, I'm like, oh, babe, I'm mentally out of here. Like, I've given you an imaginary deadline. You didn't hit it. So now I'm mentally taking myself out of it. And I'll let You know when they

[Paige]

had a guy once, she moved into her new apartment, he gets fired from his job, he's sleeping on her couch. She's like, I need this guy to leave. Could not get the balls once I

[Hannah]

turned 25 and was like so done with, I don't know, just like really immature men. And then my next couple of relationships, I feel like maybe as a protective mechanism, I mentally was out way before it actually happened.

[Paige]

I actually lied. I have cried a lot, but it's while breaking up with them, so they can't.

[Hannah]

So they don't feel like you're so you're good.

[Paige]

I'm good.

[Hannah]

You're good. I can't muster it up.

[Paige]

But I do have to say all of my boyfriends of my past, most of them were really good guys. And I actually was sad because I was like, it's gonna be weird not talking tomorrow, but like, you're not my husband, but like, you're a great person.

[Hannah]

Like, see, you want to know. Actually, actually, I take that back. The one nice thing I do for men during breakups is I do let them perform the speech that they've prepared. Like, I do let them have, like, I, I do let them see me in person because I know that they've had something that they have to get out. And I know that like, closure is important to some people. Yeah, never been. Closure has actually never really been that important to me. Like, if I never spoke to someone again, I'd be like, okay, like, and I've done it, but that's just, I think, deep. Anyway, we don't have the time to get into it, but I let them do their performance and I've seen actually some really good ones where I'm like, maybe you have a point. And then I'm like, no, no, no. Thank you so much for that. My decision is final.

[Paige]

And my favorite is like, when they're like, can we hook up one more time?

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Paige]

I don't think you understand the point. The break. It's cuz I don't want to anymore.

[Hannah]

Yeah. So that's interesting.

[Paige]

But overall it's just so interesting how like the breakup seems like this big scary thing, but it literally is going to take 10 minutes. Girl, it'll take 10 minutes. You've had a longer poop than that.

[Hannah]

No, true. And then there are. So then once you're out of it, you weigh 20 pounds later, I'm like, oh, hello. What the. No, it's crazy. But you have to get there and it's like, you really do have to get there on your own. And there are so many times where I've broken up with people, and I'm like, so mad at myself because I'm like, why didn't I fucking do that two years ago? And you really. You can't get mad at yourself because it's fate. If you didn't stay, then maybe you wouldn't have met the person you're supposed to be with. Or maybe, like, you wouldn't have moved to a new city and gotten a new. So it's really, really, like. I truly do believe in, like, divine timing.

[Paige]

But I also do believe that, like, you know, early on, if this guy,

[Hannah]

you know, the day they ask you to be your.

[Paige]

Their girlfriend, like, you know, what do you mean?

[Hannah]

Like, I.

[Paige]

What do you. Who are you?

[Hannah]

I feel like every boyfriend I've ever had, like, the moment they're like, will you be my girlfriend? My guts been like, no.

[Paige]

Oh, you that. You know.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I know. I know. Getting into it.

[Paige]

I got to get out the other thing where you know immediately when a person is right, sure, maybe, like, we. I think we are. We are different with that.

[Hannah]

You want to know what we just said the same thing. I said it in the pessimistic way, you said it in the optimistic way. And that's why we're best friends. I'm so happy you're my best, best friend.

[Paige]

And I'm so happy you're mine.

[Hannah]

Carrie out there, I couldn't adjunct.

[Paige]

I love how your only note this episode was catching print. Yeah,

[Hannah]

that's what I've been doing all week since you left me over the weekend. That's all I've been doing.

[Paige]

That's all you've been doing? Did you have a restful weekend?

[Hannah]

What did I do? I feel like I, like, can't even

[Sponsor Voice]

remember what I did this weekend.

[Paige]

Did you watch anything? Did you make any art?

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. What did I do this weekend? I'm really. I'm really doing my, like, taking my 10, 000 steps seriously. And I started doing 12, 3, 30 again.

[Paige]

Okay, I told you, you only need 7,000.

[Hannah]

Okay, well, my 10 is important to me.

[Paige]

Are you doing outsider on your walking pad?

[Hannah]

A little bit of both. Josephine used my walking pad the other day for a Daphne video with the TSA bin that I ordered on Amazon. And there are a couple gigglers that were like, you put a TSA bin on your walking pad? And I'm like, no, that's art.

[Paige]

That was creative magic.

[Hannah]

That was just working with what you've got at home.

[Paige]

Yes. Perfect. We. We, like, feel it.

[Hannah]

We're all, like, feel it.

[Paige]

Thank you guys so much for giggling with us. We love you so, so, so much. Stay happy and healthy.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I had dez. I told him to order me Italian food halfway through the podcast.

[Hannah]

Hannah, I have a chicken parm waiting for me at home. We're not sisters, Halle.

[Sponsor Voice]

We're twins.

[Paige]

We're twins. Bye.

[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan. Fellas, I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon San Fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Hannah]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

News flash. I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find Fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts. The Bleacher Report app is your destination for sports right now. The NBA is heating up, March Madness is here, and MLB is almost back. Every day, there's a new headline, a new highlight, a new moment you've got to see for yourself. That's why I stay locked in with the Bleacher Report app. For me, it's about staying connected to my sports. I can follow the teams I care about, get real time scores, breaking news, and highlights all in one place. Download the Bleacher Report app today so you never miss a moment.