Giggling about k-holes, proposals, and saturn returns

Summary

Giggly Squad – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Giggling about k-holes, proposals, and saturn returns
Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Release Date: December 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this reflective, laughter-filled year-end episode, Hannah and Paige embrace the in-between-holiday energy, discussing everything from family holiday dynamics and personal growth to breakups, feminist holiday hacks, and the meaning of Saturn returns. The duo giggles through everything from awkward gift-giving fails, the evolution from TV reality stars to podcast icons, trending pop culture, and the dangers of reading your own Instagram comments—plus drops some surprisingly sincere wisdom on self-worth and moving on.

Their signature dynamic—Paige’s sharp realism and Hannah’s outlandish humor—turns even heavy topics like stalkers and depressive spirals into cathartic comedy, making this an engaging episode for regular listeners and newcomers alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Between-Holidays Vibes & Podcast Process

• The energy between Christmas and New Year’s is “awkward—no one knows what to do with their hands.” (01:26)
• They compare Giggly Squad’s never-ending weekly schedule to other podcasts that have structured “seasons”—“This is a lifestyle...This is a branded cult that we do every week.” – Hannah (02:05, 02:09)

2. Family & Holiday Reflections

• Aunt Life & Gift-Giving: Hannah gushes over spoiling her niece, turning holidays into a non-stop present-fest and reminisces about shopping at a mom-and-pop toy store. (03:35)

• Moms and Daughters: Paige and her mom exchange sentimental gifts, and Paige jokes about how every mom ends up with a robe every year. (06:21)

• Feminist Holiday Moves: Hannah rebels against traditional female holiday cleanup roles:

  “When we’re all finished eating…and you know the women just naturally stand up and start picking up the plates—yeah. I stay sat. And I look at the men and I say, can you take my plate please? …I own this house.” (07:58)

• Returning Home as an Adult: Both reflect on regressing to teenage behavior when visiting family; Paige says, “I immediately turn into a brat,” and Hannah references the Brett Newstrom TikTok on parental pampering. (05:13–05:39)

3. Holiday Relationship Dynamics & Gift Fails

• The Perils of Gifting: Both recount funny and disastrous gifts given by their dads—“Men buying women clothes is such a risk. Unless it’s something sentimental, get her a classic, like a spa certificate.” – Hannah (10:03)
• Changing Magic of Christmas: They reflect on how holidays shift as you get older and don’t have little kids in the family. (10:49)

4. Personal Growth and Breakup Lessons

• Paige revisits last year’s post-breakup episode, noting how much has changed, and offers advice for listeners stuck in indecision:

  "If you feel the need to DM Paige to ask her about your boyfriend—it’s break up. It’s done." – Hannah (20:58) "Don't get stuck with the same issue. That's boring." – Hannah (22:11)

• Paige reveals she’s learned to let people be wrong about her, especially after years of reality TV scrutiny:

  "Let people be wrong about you." (23:04)

• Hannah: “People will go out of their way to misunderstand you.” (26:14)

5. Boundaries, Privacy, and Moving Forward

• Both express relief at having more privacy post-reality TV and the emotional growth that came from stepping away from the constant need to share their lives.

6. Professional Milestones & Humor

• Sharing 2025 accomplishments with a pinch of skepticism toward “year-in-review” social media trends, reminding listeners that achievement doesn’t always mean happiness. (37:09)
• Reflecting on becoming New York Times bestselling authors and playing Radio City—but admitting they were a “mess” backstage. (36:51–37:13)

7. Pop Culture Hot Takes

• Reality TV: Breaking down the overly produced drama in recent reality shows, like party drama on Mormon Wives. (31:00–32:24)
• Redefining Pop Culture Influence: Comparing women watching reality TV to men watching WWE for entertainment’s sake. (32:06)
• Heated Rivalry & Representation: Discussing the cultural impact of the queer hockey TV show and the normalization of LGBTQ storylines in sports and media. (40:00–42:13)

8. Dating, Proposals, and Gender Roles

• The duo discusses viral videos of women proposing to men, the social pushback, and gender expectations. (15:39–16:57)
• Paige: “Girl, stand up.” – On women proposing to men (16:03)
• Hannah: “Like, he wouldn’t be here if his parents didn’t have sex. Like, that’s disgusting.” (15:32) [on forming weird icks about boyfriends’ pasts]

9. Personal Safety & Stalker Story

• Paige opens up about dealing with a real-life stalker, disappointment at the police response, and comic relief from her vigilant doorman:

  “All I wanted to do was tell the gigglers, but I was like, this is just not so safe...Now my doorman gets in my Uber and says, let me see your face.” (35:07) “I had to go file a police report. Does that—what? They’d be like, what’s your name? And I’m like, I can’t do this. I literally can’t do this.” – Hannah (33:23–33:39)

10. Aging, Saturn Returns, and Existential Giggles

• Reflections on getting older, regressing at home, and feeling stuck in old storylines.
• Extensive riffing on Saturn returns (astrological period of upheaval in your late twenties/early thirties):

  “Let people be wrong about you…That is like, a part of growing up. You don’t have to explain every single thing.” – Paige (26:45)

• Hannah and Paige joke about being “the wise older friend” and how that hits unexpectedly. (47:08)

11. Mental Health, Medication, and K-holes

• Casual talk around therapy, medication (Paige jokes about needing a beta blocker), and uncovering what exactly a “K-hole” is:

  “I envision a K-hole is like, you get really high and you just see a bunch of Ks.” – Hannah (47:18) Paige clarifies, “You take ketamine, which is a horse tranquilizer...then you literally can’t move.” (56:12)

12. Random Observational Comedy & Quirky Rants

• Hannah’s disgust at airport neck pillows:

  "All people do when they walk in...first thing you do, it’s the rule, you have to squeeze the neck cushion. That neck cushion has been squeezed by so many dirty little fingers. I think the toilet is cleaner." (59:00)

• The duo’s competitive FOMO about being stalked:

  “If you’re hanging out with your friends one night and one of them gets kidnapped, that’s obviously horrible. But for a second, we all were like, what’s wrong with me? Why was I not chosen?” – Hannah (63:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:05] Hannah: “This is a lifestyle.”
• [07:58] Hannah: “I stay sat. And I look at the men and I say, can you take my plate please? …I own this house.”
• [20:58] Hannah: “If you feel the need to DM Paige to ask her about your boyfriend—it’s break up. It’s done.”
• [23:04] Paige: “Let people be wrong about you.”
• [26:14] Hannah: “People will go out of their way to misunderstand you.”
• [35:07] Paige: “All I wanted to do was tell the gigglers, but I was like, this is just not so safe...Now, my doorman gets in my Uber and says, let me see your face.”
• [47:18] Hannah: “I envision a K-hole is like, you get really high and you just see a bunch of Ks.”
• [56:12] Paige: "You take ketamine, which is a horse tranquilizer...then you literally can’t move."
• [59:00] Hannah: “That neck cushion has been squeezed by so many dirty little fingers. The toilet is cleaner.”
• [61:13] Hannah: “People forget that before Jennifer Lawrence was accused of being the most annoying person in the world, she was the most charming person in the world. And very funny. But it’s a thin line with women.”
• [62:18] Hannah: “Any horrible things you guys went through in 2025, I guarantee it made you funnier and more interesting at parties."
• [62:01] Paige: “When people can’t mess with your character, they come for your reputation. And just remember that one— that’s my 2026.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:26 – Awkward in-between holidays energy & podcast "seasons"
• 02:28 – Christmas family stories, spoiling the niece, and toy-store nostalgia
• 06:21 – Holiday gift exchanges with mom, "every mom gets a robe"
• 07:58–10:23 – Feminist holiday hacks: fighting gender roles at family gatherings
• 12:11 – Paige’s holiday breakup reflection and DM advice requests
• 15:39–16:57 – Women proposing to men & viral engagement videos
• 20:54–23:04 – Breakup paralysis & learning to "let people be wrong about you"
• 31:00–32:24 – Deconstructing reality TV moments and WWE/reality TV parallels
• 33:23–36:07 – Paige's stalker story and navigating personal safety
• 40:00–42:13 – Heated Rivalry, representation in sports media, and shifting cultural narratives
• 47:08 – Aging, Saturn returns, and feeling like the “older” friend
• 56:12 – "K-hole" definition and recreational drug chat
• 59:00 – Hannah’s neck pillow germaphobia rant
• 61:13 – Jennifer Lawrence, female likability, and redemption
• 62:01 – Final year-end wisdom: “When people can’t mess with your character, they come for your reputation…”

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Tone & Vibe

Hannah and Paige maintain their trademark self-deprecating, unfiltered, and quick-witted banter—balancing garbage-fire absurdity (edgy jokes, misused drug terms, stalker drama) with genuine self-awareness and warmth. Listeners can expect to both laugh and collect some unexpectedly honest advice about adulthood, relationships, and the messiness of self-evolution.

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For New Listeners:
This episode is dense with personal stories, running jokes, and insider slang, but even first-timers will find relatability in the turbulent joy of growing up—and lots of reasons to giggle through the chaos of life.

Transcript

[Paige]

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[Hannah]

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[Paige]

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[Hannah]

Sup, Gigglers?

[Paige]

Gary, fix the WI fi.

[Hannah]

Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

[Paige]

I mean, the day just got away from me.

[Hannah]

What is up, my glorious Gigglers? It's the end of the year. It's an awkward time in between Christmas and New Year's where no one knows what to do with their hands.

[Paige]

You know one thing I real. First of all, Hannah and I just stared at each other for two minutes. And then Hannah goes, are you waiting for me? And I said, you start the pod every week. Why? Anyway, you know what I realized? Other pods have, like, seasons. Like, thanks so much for this season. And we're like, what?

[Hannah]

No, other people do, like, four episodes. And they're like, see you next season.

[Paige]

I'm like, wait, how'd. How. What are you guys doing? Don't you go. I go crazy. Like, this whole week.

[Hannah]

This is a lifestyle.

[Paige]

I need to talk to Hannah about this.

[Hannah]

This is a branded cult that we do every week. I don't care what's going on in our lives.

[Paige]

I.

[Hannah]

But you told me you're like, just start the pod and go with it. What. What do we do? What's happening? I'm scared.

[Paige]

Just go with it. No, I'm just.

[Hannah]

Oh, like, you just want to start the pod.

[Paige]

Let's start with, how was your Christmas?

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. Great question. It was magical because I blackmailed my brother and his wife to come to New York from Indiana, and when I tell you, I have no self control when it comes to being an aunt. Lois realized that she could ask me for presents at any time and she will get it. So she just kept coming up to me looking so fudgeing cute and being like, can I open another present? This is the 22nd, by the way. Like, this is. She's celebrating Hanukkah at this point. Like she another present. So I'm like, okay, because you know, I got her like, she's like, what's, what's for Kwanzaa?

[Paige]

Why?

[Hannah]

Every time she went out to me, she was like, wouldn't it be crazy if you gave me, if you gave me another present, like right now, would that be crazy? And I'm just like, yeah, don't tell mom. And then my brother found out I've been giving her presents. He's like, that's literally ruining the whole thing. But when I went shopping for a three year old is so fun because I went into a toy store and the guy.

[Paige]

Which, like, do they exist? What toy store?

[Hannah]

I went to one in West Hampton and I walked in and the guy was like, hey, how are you? And I said, good. He goes, age and, and interests. And I said, great question. Three years old, mermaids, sparkles, purple. If there's no sparkles, she gets very upset. And he goes, okay, we got this, this, this, like literally recommending it, like an influencer. He's like, this is amazing. The kids are loving this.

[Paige]

No bring back mom and pop toy stores.

[Hannah]

Like, I support the small communities.

[Paige]

You can't even really find the good toys online.

[Hannah]

I do have to say it's so much more fulfilling going into a store, looking at all the toys, touching them, shaking them, listening to them and being like, she's going to lose her mind at this. Some toys, some toys are uniquely complicated. I got her this like manicure set. Couldn't figure out how to do it. She figured it out. She said, hannah, you're a quitter. You have to stop quitting. So I just had so much, much fun being the aunt that was spoiling her little nieces and nephews.

[Paige]

Christmas is so much better when there's little kids around.

[Hannah]

You know, when there's no little kids, it's kind of creepy.

[Paige]

It's kind.

[Hannah]

No, it's low key creepy.

[Paige]

This was the first year. This was the first year my brother left on Christmas Day and went to like, his girlfriend's family.

[Hannah]

I'm like, really traumatic. That's traumatic.

[Paige]

No, Hannah was actually so traumatic. I like looked at my parents and I was like, so, what should we do?

[Hannah]

No. When you're the lone one left, you're just like, how y' all doing?

[Paige]

It's also, there's something about, like, when I go home, I can't not be 16 years old. Like. Like, it's actually so annoying. Like, I get so mad at myself, but it's like, right when I go over the threshold, I immediately turn into a brat. I do nothing. Okay. Like, I bring home my. I bring my vitamins. I bring my skincare. I don't even do that because I'm like, what is time? When is dinner?

[Hannah]

Like, there's a TikTok by that guy Brett Newstrom, who's so funny, and he was joking about that and how you're just like, mom, can I have, like, some water? And she's like, you can get it. And it's like, no, I'm sitting on the couch right now, and I have a blanket on me. I can't get up.

[Paige]

No. I literally was like, dad, would it be crazy if you poured me a Diet Coke on ice? Like, that was all I said.

[Hannah]

The whole, you're literally lowest to me. Wouldn't it be crazy?

[Paige]

And my mom, like, my mom saw one quote and so, like, wouldn't stop saying it the entire holiday. She was like, every holiday is unique, and you have to cherish every holiday because it's unique. And I was like, I'm going to Marilyn Monroe.

[Hannah]

That's what Marilyn Monroe said. Thank you, Kim, for raising awareness of joy.

[Paige]

Me and my mom both got each other sentimental gifts this year, which I just felt like was very. Like, we were so telepathic, because usually her and I are the ones that will, like, get each other, like, some type of clothes thing. Like, I usually get her a coat or, like, a pair of boots or something. And she has this, like, joke with me that, like, every mom gets a robe. Like, oh. Like, everyone lists, like, all their presents. I think it was, like, an SNL skit at some point. Like, everyone's like, I got a watch. I got this, and blah, blah, blah. And every mom's like, I got a robe. So I always get her a robe. So I get her a robe every year. And then she had one of my grandma's antique chairs that I love reupholstered into, like, baby blue velvet, which is my favorite. Oh, my God, it was so sweet. And then I got her a picture of her and I, as you should, like, blown up, like, from Daphne photo shoot. She was like, where am I putting this? I'm like, in the foyer.

[Hannah]

It'S a cardboard cutout of you just all over the house.

[Paige]

It's a family photo of the two most important family members.

[Hannah]

I do have to say, as feminists, what I love to do during the holiday season to, like, be at the forefront of feminism is any traditional roles that women play in the household, especially a female family. Italian family.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Excuse me. Like, when I. When we're all finished eating and, you know, the women just naturally stand up and start picking up the plates. Yeah. I stay sad.

[Paige]

Wow.

[Hannah]

And I look at. I look at the men, and I said, can you take my plate, please? And then if I get any pushback, I said, I own this house.

[Paige]

As some. As someone who doesn't live in a feminist household at all, by the way.

[Hannah]

My mom did everything but continue.

[Paige]

No, I literally. I'm 30.

[Hannah]

Change, generational trauma.

[Paige]

I'm. I'm so right there with you. I'm 33 years old. I'm still not even allowed to wash the dishes. I can only dry. So that is my job at every family gathering. Paige dries all the dishes.

[Hannah]

I don't think it matters, like, if you bought something or not. However, like, Thanksgiving once, like, I bought all the catering, and I was like, I'm not cleaning up after I bought the catering. It's like, I'm fine. If you guys are like, oh, we bought it, so you guys clean up, then we're gonna reverse it. Also, I do have to say my mom. My dad do have a very, very. They are. They are good team. So my mom will cook, and he's immediately cleaning.

[Paige]

Now, that's a test of a marriage because, like, they're incredible. My mom always toasts, and I'll always catch my. My dad and her. Just her and my dad, like, in the kitchen. Like, they don't know anyone's listening. And I'll always catch my dad, be like, good job, Kim. You did a really good job this year. Like.

[Hannah]

And I'm like, oh, my God, that is so sweet.

[Paige]

She's like, you think so? Oh, thanks. That's so nice.

[Hannah]

Is Gary Sr. Good at getting Kim gifts? That evil laugh. Okay.

[Paige]

No.

[Hannah]

My dad is famously the worst gift giver to my mom. She literally is like, just get me something from a spa. Just get me a massage. Get me a facial. That's all I need. And he goes to places and gets convinced by the salesperson that he needs to buy something. They don't know my mom today. This. This one, he bought her, like, a corduroy jacket, and she was like, why the. She doesn't curse. But that's what she was saying with her eyes.

[Paige]

Why the curse?

[Hannah]

She's not big on the crisp bump. She's. She says it with her eyes, and we all just start laughing because, again, like, men buying women clothes is such a risk. And he, like, keeps doing it. And we keep saying, don't do that unless it's something sentimental. Get her a classic, like, spa certificate.

[Paige]

Yeah, that's such an easy one. It is. I don't know why for whatever this year. I don't know. Maybe it's because we're getting older or if it was just, like, in social media this year. Really feel like there was such an emphasis on, like, Christmas magic is just. Your mom. Like, it's like, oh, this year doesn't have Christmas magic. And it's like, okay, well, that's because you're in your 20s and your mom is older. Like, it's. And it's such a crazy shift to.

[Hannah]

Think, like, yeah, but that age group where you don't have little kids, when it's just you and, like, no one is excited, really, about Santa. You wake up, you're like, oh, Santa. Ha, ha. It's. It's an awkward age, I will say.

[Paige]

This year, I have had, like, the same mattress in my bedroom at home since I was in, like, high school. Like, it's just like, I needed a new mattress. So I was like, you know what, Mom? Like, I'm gonna order a new mattress. I'm gonna order. Just like, I needed a new bed frame. I'm just gonna, like, slowly kind of, like, redo that room. And, like, nothing crazy. I'm not, like, going in. And, like, totally.

[Hannah]

I'm just.

[Paige]

I just got a new bed. And she, like, came up to me and said something like, oh, well, when you have a baby. And I immediately was like, a baby? Like, that baby's not going in my room.

[Hannah]

The baby's taking your room.

[Paige]

I'm like, this is my room. Like, what do you. What baby? And she's like, I mean, it is.

[Hannah]

So cute that she's very driving. She's kept your room exactly the same. Because a lot of parents, they turn it into, you know, a little gym, a work room.

[Paige]

You know, I go home too much to, like, not have a room. And I would feel so. I would feel so violated.

[Hannah]

As we learned a couple weeks ago, my nana never had a room. But I digress.

[Paige]

I digress.

[Hannah]

I digress. I do have to say I did pretty good with Dez's gifts, which I've had some rough goes in the past, but he's. He's like obsessed with severance. And I saw on Amazon there's the book the Uur, which is like the book from the show. Okay. And so I literally bought him the book. So he's like a nerd and he thought that was funny.

[Paige]

That's so sweet. If anyone ever got me a book, I'd be fucking livid. Unless it's how to giggle.

[Hannah]

I was giving how to giggle out to everyone. They're like, I already bought it. And I'm like, here's a how to giggle. But then also, he doesn't drink. And we went to his restaurant once. Basically, non alcoholic drinks are becoming very cool. Like a sparkling tea, like a Norwegian whatever. And he said he liked it. And I wrote it down like a good girlfriend. Cause he's my boyfriend. And I got him the sparkling tea. And you would have thought it was like he was gonna rage that night. So he was like chugging his sparkling tea, reading the book.

[Paige]

I actually, one of my cousins told me this year at Christmas dinner, she was like, I just found out that I'm like allergic to alcohol.

[Hannah]

And.

[Paige]

And I was like, wait, I should go get tested for that. Because you love getting tested for things. I love getting tested for things. No, I love getting tested for the update on my uti. I got. No, Hannah, you have no idea how many screenshots I have of DMs. First of all, it's astonishing.

[Hannah]

I'm getting them.

[Paige]

It's astonishing. The amount of gigglers that are doctors.

[Hannah]

It's actually worrisome. It's quite worrisome.

[Paige]

I'm ugly and you listen to me, bitch. You're so much smarter than me. I had so. I have so many screenshots of what gigglers have said to me that I. Because I was like, I'm never going to be able to find these DMS again. I have to screenshot all of them.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

A bunch of girls were like, hey, urologist is great, but that's really for men. You need to go, right? I'm like, what?

[Hannah]

You're so mad right now.

[Paige]

I was so mad. And they were like, you need to go to a urologist gynecologist. I didn't even know that was a fucking thing. So I was like, oh, okay, then I'm not going to a urologist. Wasting my time and his. I need to find a urologist gynecologist.

[Hannah]

Isn't that just a gynecologist?

[Paige]

Oh, no, no, no. They specialize in, like, urology?

[Hannah]

Gynecology. Yes. So, well, I keep getting dms, and it's like, please send this to Paige. And at first I'm like, do I have to? And then I'm like, what if this is the advice that changes her life? So then I keep guilt.

[Paige]

We're so dramatic.

[Hannah]

I texted you one. I was like, I think this. You were like, calm down. I was like, what if the answer is in my DMs and I didn't forward it to you?

[Paige]

You are Lenor. You're literally slowly turning into Lenor.

[Hannah]

I don't want that kind of karma. Like, I don't need that.

[Paige]

That's actually so cute.

[Hannah]

Wait, I. I also have a new ick. Like, this is the craziest ick I've ever gotten. The fact that his parents made him. No, I have egg. That's disgusting. Wait.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Paige]

That's like, a little broad. That's a little broad. But, like, you're saying, like, him as a child.

[Hannah]

No, like, that he was like, a sperm. And then it was like, they. They literally don't be conceived up. That's.

[Paige]

So if you're a guy, don't be.

[Hannah]

Like, he was nothing and his parents made him. Like, he wouldn't be here if his parents didn't have sex. Like, that's disgusting.

[Paige]

I've been seeing. I saw a lot of people getting engaged, like, on Christmas, like, on Tik Tok. Like, people that like. And here's the other thing. Half the time, I don't know if it's a skit or not, but the only time I. I'm literally 95 years old. I have to go in the comments, I'm like, is this a skit? The amount of women I've seen proposing to met. I was like, this has to be a skit. There's just no way. There was one comment. It was good, and it was like, girl, stand up. Because she was like. She was kneeling down, proposing, and this girl was just. The comment was just, girl, stand up. I was like, what is going on? That is insane.

[Hannah]

But I wonder if it's super traditional. Like, he's gonna take care of the household, and he. Like, maybe she's.

[Paige]

Even if they say they are. Do they.

[Hannah]

I know they're not gonna do it as, well as, like, someone else. They don't have the heart.

[Paige]

No, you gotta have a heart to, like. I just, like, I couldn't imagine ever.

[Hannah]

Well, because I wouldn't ever wonder, like, Woody have proposed to me.

[Paige]

Well, yeah. And I can't imagine as a man being like comfortable getting proposed too. Like she literally just called you a beta without saying.

[Hannah]

I thought you were gonna say beta blocker.

[Paige]

No, I would need a beta blocker. If someone said you have to propose, I'd be like, what?

[Hannah]

I did see one of those videos and it was from the whole family.

[Paige]

Yeah, it was probably the one I saw.

[Hannah]

Maybe it was a lavender marriage. You just can't judge. You don't know people's dynamics.

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[Hannah]

I know before we recorded this episode.

[Paige]

I was like, oh my God. Last year at this time, I was probably like, shaking. Had to take a beta because I was about to say that I broke up. Like, I'm going through a breakup and it was this episode and I'm literally, I was like in my childhood bedroom, which is where I recorded it. And I was thinking about it again this year when I was home for Christmas, and I was like, first of all, how dramatic.

[Hannah]

How dramatic you were not being dramatic. It was the time.

[Paige]

But it's just crazy. Like, you think of things and you're like, oh my God, that was a year ago. And I feel so insanely different, like, obviously from a whole year. And I feel like I get like so many DMs from girls. Like, I'm going through a breakup. Like, how. How do you go through a breakup? And I also get a lot of girls, like, in my DMs being like, I think I should break up with my boyfriend, but I don't know if it's the right time. Like, how do you know if it's right or not?

[Hannah]

I love how you've become the breakup artist.

[Paige]

I'm like, guys, I have no freaking idea.

[Hannah]

I'm like, if you feel the need to DM Paige to ask her about your boyfriend, it's break up. It's done.

[Paige]

Honestly, that if you click on her.

[Hannah]

Profile, that means you should break up with him.

[Paige]

You say, I'm gonna just see what Paige thinks real quick. You don't want. You're done anymore.

[Hannah]

You hate him, he's gay.

[Paige]

And so I like, I get so many girls. And I feel like one of the reason for me, I was always thinking about, like, the aftermath. Like, oh my God, what's gonna happen after? What are people gonna say? Like, blah, blah, blah. And I feel like that, like, made me freeze. Like, I was frozen for so long with the fear of that. And it's such a waste of time because, one, nothing could even happen. Or. I mean, I couldn't have cooked up in my head what happened this year. So it's like, don't let that. It was 10 times worse than what I was imagining, okay? So don't even worry about it. It's going to be way worse. Just pull the trigger.

[Hannah]

But it's. Pull the trigger is right. You were in fight or flight, but you weren't fighting and you weren't flighting.

[Paige]

You were just, like, frozen.

[Hannah]

You were stuck. And the truth is, is moving is the best thing you could do, because then there'll be a different issue, at least.

[Paige]

No, then there will be a different issue.

[Hannah]

Don't get stuck with the same issue. That's boring.

[Paige]

I might as well have seen rumors that I was a drug dealer. I was like, I can make that more plausible than what you're saying currently.

[Hannah]

Move the plot line of your life. Keep moving it. I always felt, though, like, once I was over a guy, I felt like I was. I was gonna throw up.

[Paige]

Like, yeah.

[Hannah]

And every time I talked to him, I felt like I was about to say, like, I. I don't want to be with you anymore. So, like, you were much better at. You're like a cat, actually. Where they say a cat can be really sick, but they won't show it and no one knows that they're sick.

[Paige]

Where a dog will be like, yeah, everywhere.

[Hannah]

Yeah, so that's me. Where I'm. I literally. I'm like, I don't care what's on the other side. It'll be. At least it'll be different than what I'm feeling now, which is not sustainable. Where you're like, I think I can manage this for.

[Paige]

Right, a couple years. And I feel like it also forced me into, like, this year, I really feel like I was forced into learning the lesson of, like, let people be wrong about you, which is uncomfortable and. And, like, frustrating, which I hate. But I feel like because I was on reality tv, I could never learn that. Like, I couldn't let people be wrong about me because it was like, I was getting asked about it all the time. And it was like, so, like, now when I see anything about myself, and it's like, an uncomfortable feeling of, like, okay, well, that's not true. Or like, what the hell is that? It's more like being comfortable being like, okay, well, you're, like, wrong about me. And I feel like this summer was the first summer in seven years that I didn't have anyone being like, what are, what's every thought you're having and tell us everything and what's going on. And so it was just like a very transformative year in that sense. And then even to the point of like, when I did start seeing someone, I felt like I couldn't even say anything because it was like I had a group of ops, like filming a TV show and I'll like, I obviously wasn't telling them any personal information about my life because like when people are so committed. No, seriously. When people are so committed to hating.

[Hannah]

Full time job, they're full time.

[Paige]

You're like, okay, well I can't even give an ounce of personal information because you'll run with it and twist it and change it and it's like so crazy.

[Hannah]

So I just, I don't talk about my relationship except on Giggly Squad. The little things that I feel the gigglers will laugh at.

[Paige]

It was, yeah, it was just like such an interesting year because I feel like we did so many things professionally which were amazing. And then personally I was just like, I felt like I was really learning like a lot of lessons that I wouldn't have been able to learn and complete without leaving reality tv.

[Hannah]

Oof.

[Paige]

Which is crazy.

[Hannah]

So reflective. I'm obsessed with that.

[Paige]

Well, even just like getting into a summer where you're like, wait a minute, I don't have to spill my guts.

[Hannah]

Or if you don't spill everything, you're considered like evil.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

If you want to protect yourself at.

[Paige]

All, you're like, right.

[Hannah]

A bad person.

[Paige]

Right. And if you don't like explain everything or like talk about every single rumor, it's like, okay. But then I'm giving people who are making things up about me control. Like, I'm not. No, like that. Say whatever you want about me. I don't give a shit.

[Hannah]

I think you got to the point with reality TV where they just force you to have opinions on so many things that you regularly would not have opinions on. And you get, you're just like, I don't want to talk about other people's lives to this extent.

[Paige]

Yeah. There was like a certain amount of emotional growth that I was like, I, I don't think I'm feeling things that I should be feeling at, at my age. Do you know what I mean?

[Hannah]

True. So true.

[Paige]

Like I still mentally felt in my 20s and I was like, I'm turning 33.

[Hannah]

Like, well, you're, you're stuck in something, you're stuck in another. You're stuck in a storyline.

[Paige]

Honey. Yay, honey. And I was like, okay, gotta go.

[Hannah]

I do kind of love that you saying, like, being okay with being misunderstood as a people pleaser. That was really hard for me. But I think you realize, oh, people are gonna go out of their way to misunderstand you.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And no matter how hard you try. So it's like, do you want to have a losing battle with people who, like, you could literally be Mother Teresa, and they'll be like, I don't like how she did that. Yeah. And so it's like, do you want to have your whole life be you trying to. It's like, with friends trying to get people to like you who decided before they met you they don't like you.

[Paige]

Right. And it's like the over explaining. And I really was thinking about it too, because I'm like, I'm sure a lot of people feel like this around the holidays when they're with their families, like, having to over explain who you're dating, what your job is, like, just different things. And that's what, like, really made me think about it. And I was just like, no, like, be wrong about me. And I feel like that is, like, a part of growing up. Like, you don't have to explain. Explain every single thing. And you don't have to, like, make people, like, you don't have to tell people why they should like you, that it's none of your business. You know? I mean, mine was also a little different because that there was like, rumors that were just, like, categorically false. But I was like, it. I don't give a.

[Hannah]

It's very violating feeling. And I think everyone's dealt with, like, rumors and stuff about them, but it always stems from something that doesn't have to do with you is what I've learned. Literally, it's always people projecting their shit on you, and you represent something to them, which, as two people who don't shut up, like, we do. We are. We get in the firing squad every now and then. I mean. Yeah. Like this last year, I had tons of ups and downs. I have to say, there was something about your notes. Like, we all write a lot of notes. Yeah. Do you ever accidentally, like, scroll down to your notes from, like, 2017 and I literally had, like, a list of funny videos I wanted to make. And, like, in that moment, no, I almost cried because I was like, I'm looking at these videos and I'm like, I was just so excited to try to make people laugh. I didn't know what the fuck was about to happen in my life.

[Paige]

But when we started giggly squad.

[Hannah]

Pre gig, pre summer house.

[Paige]

You're saying personally. Oh, okay.

[Hannah]

Sorry. Yeah. But if you look, my notes, like, literally are my journal. My notes on my phone where you see like the stuff I was brainstorming, the stuff that I was just like, doing during the week, Just any weird numbers. But it was. It's so interesting to scroll through your notes app. Also a little up to a big life update for me. Maybe my second biggest of the year. The first one was the driver's license. I went to Verizon yesterday and I got off the family plan. No, I know. It took an hour. It took a full hour of customer service. My hands were sweating. If you guys know me, I hate admin. Des literally was like putting you and.

[Paige]

DEZ on a plan, so.

[Hannah]

No, I know. And I was like, he's not my emergency contact. They were like, no, no, no. I said, okay, just check, Just check. Just checking. But my. My parents, I was still my parents plan because it's like so difficult to get off it.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And my dad was just like, I guess like billing me each month, skimming some off the top. Who knows? Yeah.

[Paige]

Who knows?

[Hannah]

Who knows? And so finally I'm off it. Des and I are on a family plan together now. So, like, it's kind of sweet.

[Paige]

I actually think that's more serious than emergency contact.

[Hannah]

Are you selling your family plan?

[Paige]

Sure I am.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Okay. I felt like I'm going to start.

[Paige]

A family plan with myself.

[Hannah]

You and Daphne, you could join ours if you want. I don't know if that's legal, actually, but it was. I don't know.

[Paige]

Wait, do you have to actually be in the same family to have a family plan?

[Hannah]

I'm like, that's my best friend.

[Paige]

Right?

[Hannah]

Like, that's as family.

[Paige]

Yeah. Like, how would you prove it? Just be like, oh, well, she has a different last name cuz she got married.

[Hannah]

They didn't even ask for.

[Paige]

Yeah. That's so one. That's so interesting.

[Hannah]

Very interesting. I don't know the technicalities, but, like, Des and I literally physically went to a Verizon store. I took a deep breath and I was like, fuck me up, fam. And I survived it. And I got the new. I had an iPhone 13. Now I have an iPhone 17. How things have changed.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Really good.

[Paige]

It is.

[Hannah]

I just took like a photo of my cat so far, but it was really, really good photo. And finally I learned it actually does work if you download shows before you go on a plane. I Thought you made that up. Wow.

[Paige]

2026 is, like, my friends are realizing things.

[Hannah]

I thought that you just said that so you didn't have to talk to me on the plane.

[Paige]

No, that's, like, a real thing. It really works.

[Hannah]

And I watch Mormon Wives. Well, I'm in the Whitney lore, and I want to see what was going on. Can I talk shit?

[Paige]

Yeah, sure.

[Hannah]

Since we're getting into it. Whenever you see a drama of someone not showing up to a party, it's so produced, I can't deal with it. Yeah. The fact that, you know, Whitney was like, oh, I'm not really close to Taylor anymore. Also, she spread a lot of rumors about me. Obviously, the producers made it really chill with Whitney. Like, yeah, you don't have to go. You know that they weren't like, this is a huge deal. Everyone's gonna be mad. They definitely were like, yeah, some people aren't coming. You don't have to go. I know you're mad at Taylor. You don't have to. And she was like, sure, okay. I have a family. I'll watch them today. And then all the girls show up, and then they make the mom call Whitney. Whitney's like, I've never talked to her on the phone before at all. Like, it's so fucking made up. The mom's like, doesn't even know who Whitney. And she's like, how could you not come to my. Like, it's literally so made up. And then all the girls are like, where's Whitney? Where's Whitney? I'm like, this should win an Oscar. This is amazing. And the fact that America turned on her starting on that. No. Okay.

[Paige]

Sometimes I will be watching a reality TV show, and I'm like, shoot, we make fun of the men so bad for watching the wwe. When in reality, sometimes the thing we're watching, the girl version of wwe.

[Hannah]

By the way, I fully support reality tv. I don't support people watching a show and, like, believing that a person is that evil. Yeah. As they're trying to know, like, no. And that everyone else is like, God is angels and one person is, like, evil. Just, like, putting fire on everyone. So anyway, that's my two cents about that. What have you been. Oh, What?

[Paige]

Oh, I was gonna say one more thing that I forgot to say that I wanted to say since I feel like this is our new thing. Like, every December, right before New Year's, we just have, like, an unhinged episode. So something else happened to me during the year that I couldn't say in, like, real Time, but I think it's, like. It's not funny, but it's like, there is part that is funny. So I was dealing with, like, a stalker situation. Like, nothing really crazy, but also, like, kind of had to get, like, people involved to the point where at some point, I had to go into a police station. So I'm walking.

[Hannah]

No. No, I'm so. No.

[Paige]

Hannah, the admin. I got a text message, and it was like, I think it's time for you to file a police report.

[Hannah]

And I go, file a police report. Does that. What? They'd be like, what's your full name? And I'm like, I can't do this. I literally can't do this. What's your date of birth? I don't know.

[Paige]

So I don't even think I told you this story. So I'm walking to the police station, and, like, I'm nervous. I'm, like, going over, like, the story in my head. I'm like, okay. And I have to show them this and this and this and blah, blah, blah and blah. And so I walk in there, and I'm thinking, like, straight SVU papers are gonna be flying. Phone's gonna be ringing off the hook. Someone's gonna be in handcuffs, like, yelling. And I'm, like, bracing myself.

[Hannah]

A police siren's gonna go off.

[Paige]

Something's happening in there.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I open the door, you could hear a pin drop. Nobody's even in there. There was maybe, like, two people in the back. I go up to the window, like, up to the lady. I, like, tell her my whole story. And she, like, looks at me, and she's like, yeah, we'll keep, like. Basically, like, you're being dramatic. We'll keep an eye on it type thing. But in my head, all. Here's the other thing. All I wanted to do was tell the gigglers, but I was like, this is just, like, not so safe. Like, yeah, yeah. It's obviously, like, under control now. And I, like, have a handle on the situation, but the way that the movies and TV shows. I actually left pissed. I was like, okay, so it's. It's not like SVU at all.

[Hannah]

You have to start watching documentaries, girl, because no one listens to anyone. No one. No one's listening to anything, and everything is done wrong.

[Paige]

I was like, I feel like you're not taking this seriously. I, like, told my story. I was like, no, but listen to this part.

[Hannah]

Or people will file reports about, like, honestly serious things, and no one will, like, flag it. Like, this is could escalate I'm gonna.

[Paige]

Be honest, the best. Like my doorman, my doormen in my building. Like, I was like, told them the whole story. Told, like the police situation, printed out a picture of the person, like, hung it up in the wall. Like anytime I like had to leave, they would like walk me out. Look both ways. One time one of my doormen got in my Uber and said, let me see your face. Because I was nervous that the person that was. Well, my mom got me nervous that the person that was stalking me was going to sign up for Uber and then become my Uber driver. We got into a real spiral, like a while ago, a couple months ago. But anyway, I was been like dying to tell this on the pod, but I like, I legitimately couldn't. So anyway, stay safe out there.

[Hannah]

So you resolved it? You got a guy to resolve it on?

[Paige]

Yeah, I got it. Essentially, it's taken care of.

[Hannah]

We're not gonna. We're not gonna.

[Paige]

Yeah, look at the nypd, was busy. Took the situation into my own hands. We're all good. No one's gonna be bothering me for a while.

[Hannah]

A friend in Sicily that, you know, deals with this stuff, he specializes.

[Paige]

Watch your fucking back.

[Hannah]

Well, I'm really, really, really, really sorry that you had to go through that.

[Paige]

Because it's really tough. No, it was honestly like a transformative year. I feel so. I just feel like we had the best year.

[Hannah]

Yeah, no, totally. And I think the year wasn't like easy. It had a ton of ups and downs. But I feel like we were. We're like more equipped to deal with adversity.

[Paige]

We became New York Times best selling authors.

[Hannah]

I totally forgot.

[Paige]

No, I literally forgot. Like, I was looking back at my pictures and I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, me and Hannah played at Radio City in January.

[Hannah]

I do have to say I think it's a little annoying on my feed when people are like, best moments of 2025 and then they post like, I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this. Suck my dick.

[Paige]

I posted one of those.

[Hannah]

No, you posted best outfits on TikTok.

[Paige]

I posted best moments of.

[Hannah]

Okay, everything I did.

[Paige]

Because you want to know what, though? Mine is outfit focused. I'm showing all those. Oh, so you give me a pass. Other people are bragging when people are.

[Hannah]

Like super, super braggy.

[Paige]

No, other people brag about it. I don't, I'm just.

[Hannah]

You just used it. You use it as a vehicle. Yeah, Outfits through video. Because I just feel like it can make people feel bad. Cuz I'M like, it's just also like, a lot of these people accomplish a lot of things, but, like, they were miserable the whole time. I just want to raise awareness about that. Were you happy? Like, you know, like, yes.

[Paige]

Like, was I happy?

[Hannah]

Like, I just feel like sometimes that's so true.

[Paige]

And I feel like that is why I love Giggly Squad. Because after we do. No, because, like, okay, after we did Jimmy Fallon, anyone could have looked at those pictures and been like, amazing. Little did they know, we almost passed out behind the curtain, like, prior to. So, like, yeah, there's a lot of things that you do that are cool that I'm like, I almost died. Mm.

[Hannah]

Mm. 100%. So when you're seeing other people's year in review, I almost posted a funny one that was like, I grew up my nails like Guinness Bricker world Records, like, long with the gel still on. That was pretty crazy. But like, driver's license is honestly, like my biggest.

[Paige]

That was a really big accomplishment. Speaking of accomplishments, I saw this actually. I don't even know if it's real. Oh, my God. I literally. I can't even go on the.

[Hannah]

You did send me an AI cat thing.

[Paige]

Yeah, well, that I knew was fake.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Paige]

I saw this thing that it was like a story about Michelle and Barack Obama and it said, oh, I wrote that down too.

[Hannah]

We both had the same note for the first time ever that Barack Obama.

[Paige]

Said to Michelle that he ran into her, like, high school or college boyfriend and he's a. What was his job? He's a doctor. And Barack said to Michelle, you would have been a doctor's wife. And she turned around and said, no, he would have been the president. And I thought, oh, that is.

[Hannah]

I have chills. She would have been the president's wife.

[Paige]

Oh, that is so just like. It's so true, though.

[Hannah]

That's why all the men are trying to marry us, because men know they need us to. Like, there's so many men that I'm like, if he had a girlfriend, he would have his so much more together.

[Paige]

So together.

[Hannah]

Also men.

[Paige]

Name a man. Name a man you've been inspired.

[Hannah]

Name a man.

[Paige]

Name a man you've been inspired by recently.

[Hannah]

Name any men in. He did. Rivalry.

[Paige]

And what a good segue.

[Hannah]

Did you go to the cottage of?

[Paige]

Of course. Where'd you watch the cottage? In my bedroom at home and at my parents house. And I was texting one of my friends who is a gay man, and we were just like chit chatting about the show and he said, paige, I Don't think you're understanding because this came out during Christmas break. There's so many gay men who are home watching this in their childhood bedrooms, which is the first place that they had these first thoughts of, like, I'm gay watching gay porn. And he was like. And so to watch a television show in my childhood bedroom that is like this. He was like, I just. I can't explain it to you. And that. I was like, oh, my God. Like, obviously, I didn't think of that, but, like, it really.

[Hannah]

We still come from the generation of guys who, like, had to come out. Yes. Like, obviously, the Gen Z's and the Gen Alphas have to come out, but it's. It's more like. It's easier. Like, guys our age were. There was, like, very few guys who were out in high school.

[Paige]

Right. Wait, did you see on TikTok, the straight men who used to play hockey? They have a podcast. I want to say it's like the. The Netters something. I'll look it up. Two straight men, ex NHL players, watched every episode and, like, reviewed it. And it was so, like, refreshing to see because they were, like, genuinely talking about the plot, and they were like, I'm obsessed with him. Like, they've got to get together. And it was like, no, this is how it should be talked about by straight.

[Hannah]

What I'm obsessed with, with heated rivalry, too, is that they also happen to be the best players in the league. The guy who won the cup, the two other guys, they're all the best players. So it's almost like. I don't know. I wonder if more athletes are gonna come out. Like, this is huge.

[Paige]

No, I really think it is, like, such a cultural.

[Hannah]

I better see some men making out at the end of the super bowl or I'm gonna be pissed.

[Paige]

Wouldn't that be nice?

[Hannah]

I want to see some helmets clanking.

[Paige]

No, I want the men to do something, like, do something crazy like that. You know, it's always the girls. You know, it's like we had Brittany and Christina make out on stage. Like, guys, do something. Spice it up. This episode is brought to you by Mattress Firm. I don't know if you've gone mattress shopping recently, but it can feel very overwhelming. There's so many choices, and it's hard to know where to start. So if you're overwhelmed by too many mattress options, because that was definitely me when I decided to upgrade. I just wanted something comfortable that actually made a difference when I laid down at night.

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[Hannah]

I do have to admit I did go through like a depression because I decided to watch all of Season one of Euphoria in like two Days, and I was alone in the house.

[Paige]

That is so not even a you show. What did you think?

[Hannah]

No, and I forced myself. I feel like the filmography. Is that a word?

[Paige]

Filmography was cool.

[Hannah]

Like, it was, like, well done.

[Paige]

It gives, like, a 24. Like, yes.

[Hannah]

Like, and I appreciate art, but also, like, I don't care about drugs and I don't care about kids in high school, so. But I do think it was Zendaya.

[Paige]

I care about. I care about both of those things.

[Hannah]

Like, I literally were like, oh, I'm doing drugs. I'm like, I.

[Paige]

Nothing I love more than a teeny bopper freaking high school show. And if one of them dies in it, oh, even better. Yeah.

[Hannah]

It also gives me, like, you just remember high school and you remember being like, I just feel bad for myself because it's like, there's no way you can understand what's going on or get control of the situation. But you're trying so hard to, like, understand who you are. And, like, the social.

[Paige]

I think euphoria is, like, a bit extreme. I highly doubt that is the norm. There's no way that's, like, the norm of high school kids. Have you watched Tell Me Lies?

[Hannah]

No. That's on my list. But again, another one, because the third.

[Paige]

Season is coming out.

[Hannah]

That's why I watch you for it. Because the third season, also, I am in a K hole with Great British Baking Show.

[Paige]

It just, like, threw me off that you said K hole. Because I was like. My first thought was, like, does she actually know what that is? Do you know what that is?

[Hannah]

But it felt right. It felt right. I envision a K hole is, like, you get really high and you just see a bunch of K's.

[Paige]

Do you know? Like, I think one of the main reasons why I'm, like, not scared to get older is because even though we're, like, a similar age, you'll always feel older to me. Because you don't know certain things that.

[Hannah]

People our age know. Wait, I love that you're like, I'm not afraid to be older because you'll always be older than me. And I can always be like, at least I'm not Hannah's age, by the way, guys, one year. It's one year. Also, I've been hanging out. Like, I went to couple, like, coffee dates with this girl who's, like, 30, 31. And she looks at me and she goes, it's so nice to have an older friend. No, Like, I actually almost threw up. I was like, what are you talking about? She's like, no, no. Like, all my friends are, like, in their 20s, and it's just nice to be with someone who's like, no, all.

[Paige]

My friends aren't dead.

[Hannah]

And so.

[Paige]

What?

[Hannah]

Like, I. Oh, my God, when did I become, like, I'm not someone's wise friend. Like, I'm. Oh, also, wait, what did you say?

[Paige]

You were in a K hole from.

[Hannah]

Great British Baked Bakery.

[Paige]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

[Hannah]

Which. Yeah, haven't you watched? Yeah, it's really good. It's like, at the end of the day, like, after watching Euphoria for so long, I know that makes a lot of. It's like when you date a really horrible man and then immediately have to date, like, the nicest guy on the planet, and he's like, way too nice. But you're like, I just need this for, like, six months. Just let me have this. So I've just been hearing people talk about puddings and loaves and, you know.

[Paige]

It really gets your mind, right? And. Because then you're like, nothing's a big deal.

[Hannah]

It's like, they help each other. Like, someone's like, isn't that.

[Paige]

Isn't that amazing?

[Hannah]

Someone's three layer cake is falling, and someone's like, oh, can I help you there? They're like, oh, of course. It's so nice. Speaking of tv, so Paige and I got asked to do this end of the year thing for ABC Year in Review, which was giving me, like, PTSD confessional style. Yes. And you're so.

[Paige]

And it was before I got my veneer, which I'm, like, really annoyed about.

[Hannah]

But anyway, well, the clips came out, and I have. I have a note. You. Your angle is my good side and my angle. And by the way, we're solo. My angle is my bad side, where.

[Paige]

No, my angle was my what? My angle was what you wanted, and your angel was what I wanted.

[Hannah]

No, I know. Yeah. What do we do?

[Paige]

I don't know.

[Hannah]

Should we tell them not to play it?

[Paige]

I guess I, like, didn't realize it was happening as we were filming it, but I think the funniest thing about this was that me and Hannah got asked to do this together, but we were filming on separate days because of, like, whatever schedule stuff. And the night before, Hannah.

[Hannah]

I texted.

[Paige]

Hannah and I go, what are you wearing to the ABC thing?

[Hannah]

And you, like, knew in your heart.

[Paige]

And she was like, I don't. I don't know. And I was like, great. Again, like, you always do this. So then I pick out my outfit and I'm like, this is what I'm wearing. It's like waist up. And I was like, and then I have glam. And Hannah goes, I'm not getting glam. I go, hannah. It's on ABC News Pride.

[Hannah]

It's a close up you're getting of your bad side.

[Paige]

You're getting your hair and makeup professionally done.

[Hannah]

I don't know, something comes over me sometimes when I'm just like, I'm gonna save four hours of my life and not do glam. I sent we sound Ashton's right now.

[Paige]

No. Well, do you want to know why? Because sometimes, like when we do something, we're doing it like in the moment, but it's not being released to the world for months and months, so you genuinely forget about it. And so like, everyone has a day where you're like, I'm so tired. Like, I don't want to do my hair. Where you're like, I'll throw it up in a bun. Except if we do that, then six months later, people are like, can you believe that's what she wore? That stupid cunt. You're like, holy fuck.

[Hannah]

It was.

[Paige]

I had a day that day.

[Hannah]

I think I was coming home from like a six state tour of like seven shows and it was like Monday morning. And I was like, I'd rather get three more hours of sleep and answer the questions well. But you were like my mom in that moment. You said, I don't look at me, look at me. I don't care. You're getting. You're glammed on. You're not embarrassing the family.

[Paige]

The difference between you and other people is you work harder. Show it. Do it. This is not how we are.

[Hannah]

Oh, God. So that's going to air tonight, which is fun. I don't know how much they're actually going to put of us talking. I feel like you're really good with one liner, so you should have a bunch of.

[Paige]

I was.

[Hannah]

I might have been cut.

[Paige]

You know, we still haven't gotten our wish of like doing a confessional together. Like for how many ever years. We were on reality TV and we asked every single year, hey, we think it'd be funny if you gave us a confessional together. Who's gonna give us a confessional together?

[Hannah]

I think this podcast is our confessional together. Like, this is what we had to do to get it.

[Paige]

Yeah, that's.

[Hannah]

Did you hear the drama about the Michigan coach?

[Paige]

The one that cheated on his wife?

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

With the girl that worked there and then went to her house and said he Was gonna, like, burn it down. That one.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paige]

I feel like there's been a lot of sports stuff happening. Like, then there was a coach that switched teams in the middle of the night. And I kept thinking, that really mean the middle of the night.

[Hannah]

I go, is that a saying? Okay, Santa, what are you talking about, middle?

[Paige]

Well, I feel like my TikTok sometimes, like, if you watch one fucking video, then all of the sudden you get all these videos. So I'm getting the videos about the Michigan guy cheating on his wife. It's videos of him, like, walking out of the tunnel with the mistress. Then I'm getting videos of another guy who changed teams in the middle of the season. And they kept being like, he changed teams in the middle of the night. And I'm like, actually? Or is that a figure of speech?

[Hannah]

He just showed up at the new team at 4:00am like, you up? So, yeah, the coaches need to get together. But it is funny. They put these coaches on a pedestal. I remember even, like, Wisconsin, the football coach, like, he was like, God of the school. The football coach. And a lot of them are just, like, horny creeps. Sorry I said it. Sorry I said it.

[Paige]

Well, yeah, it's just like, they could.

[Hannah]

Hook up with the girls on campus because they're, like, powerful if they wanted to.

[Paige]

You know what's crazy, though, is that we ever get that, like, women are so emotional. It's like, dude, you could have just gotten fired, gotten a divorce, gotten a new job later. Now you have to go to jail. Like, what?

[Hannah]

Yeah, that escalated so quickly. You could have just, like, called your mom, talked it out, came up with a solution. Let, like, we all went through a Saturn return and didn't go to jail. It's possible. Do men go through Saturn returns?

[Paige]

Wait, what do you think mine was? I think that mine was.

[Hannah]

What kind of. When do you think mine was? During the time that you were having panic attacks on stage for a full year. That was your Saturday.

[Paige]

I think I was. I think I had had it prior to that because everyone.

[Hannah]

Listen to your Saturn return. Like, you didn't.

[Paige]

I think mine was, like, during COVID and I was just like, sorry, I don't have the time. And they were like, no, bitch, you're gonna make the time. Oh, so you think mine was. That tour was so transformative for us. For me. No, I loved it. No, there's still so much coming from it. Like, we haven't even. Even the good stuff that happened, we.

[Hannah]

Haven'T even processed it. I feel it. I do have to say. Also, I'm very busy on my phone right now because so many people in my life have adopted cats. And, you know, I love sending cat memes, but I don't send the same cat memes to everyone, because not every cat meme is equal. Right.

[Paige]

So, like, Sierra gets different ones than I get.

[Hannah]

Yes. Sierra gets. Is your orange cat crazy? How do you speak to your. Your cat who's naughty? And then Grace gets all the tuxedo cats, and then you get all the fluffy, beautiful cats or the aesthetic cats.

[Paige]

My cats always have, like, glitter.

[Hannah]

Glitter cats and smoking a seg. I am in a K hole of organizing cat memes. There's so many layers. My mom. It's about having three ca.

[Paige]

If you had to take. If you had to take just a wild guess on what a K hole is. Can you give us, like, just a. Just a one sentence, like, what you think it is?

[Hannah]

I think it's when you take, like, LSD and you get so high that you. You're just, like, spiraling, and you, like. You, like, murder a family or something.

[Paige]

Kind of.

[Hannah]

You pull a Michigan coach. I think he was in a Kol.

[Paige]

It's basically you take ketamine, which is a horse tranquilizer, and then you're. Yeah, yeah.

[Hannah]

Horses are just out here taking. Getting K holes all the time.

[Paige]

Well, no, they're taking it for, like, medical reasons.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Paige]

And then people take it because it obviously is more potent because we're much smaller than a freaking horse.

[Hannah]

I love when you turn to a doctor and people.

[Paige]

Because I've watched so many people fall into a K hole where I'm like, are you okay in real life? Yes. And so they'll take it, and then you literally can't move. Here's the thing. When I was in my 20s. When I was in my 20s, I, like, after Covid and I went out again, like, to the bars in the clubs. I saw people doing drugs, and they were doing ketamine, and I was like, I must be so old in the scene, because what the do you mean? What do you.

[Hannah]

Yeah. I don't even know how you would do it. I don't want to know how you would do it.

[Paige]

Like, how are you standing?

[Hannah]

My biggest fear is, like, doing a drug and then not being able to move while, like, that's exactly what this drug is.

[Paige]

Someone's talking to you, and I'm literally paralyzing yourself. But you're like, yeah, you would hate.

[Hannah]

I always felt that's why I would have panic attacks on weed, because Like, I. I would be watching myself embarrassing myself. Like, I'm watching other people watch me and watch myself being embarrassed. And I'm like, this is like, I'm already two in my head.

[Paige]

Anyway. Okay, what's your next K hole? I love that we were redefining it.

[Hannah]

Oh, it's really. I did get in a brief K hole because I read a comment accident, accidentally, that was mean about me. And it's very unique. It kind of made me laugh. It was one of those. Someone said, the back of my head is flatter than Kansas. I didn't know the back. You know, the back of my head is none of my business. Do I have a flat back of my head?

[Paige]

Well, it's on the side, so I can't really see. Put your hand down it. Now go down, down, down.

[Hannah]

Is it like.

[Paige]

Does it curve on in?

[Hannah]

I don't know. But, like, maybe. Maybe my hair was flat in the back. I don't know. A man said it.

[Paige]

So I was like, wait, that is, like, really specific.

[Hannah]

I get the most specific, random things. My knees, the back of my head, but also things that I'm like, okay, good one.

[Paige]

Like, see, I just get, like, my character, you know, like, you're an evil person.

[Hannah]

I also wanted to let you know, in the new year, I realized I. I am a little bit of a germaphobe with some things. There's one thing I'm a huge germaphobe about. I would never, ever buy a neck cushion from a Hudson News in an airport because all people do when they walk in. The first thing you do, it's the rule. You have to squeeze the neck cushion. That neck cushion has been squeezed by so many dirty little fingers. Like, I think the toilet is cleaner.

[Paige]

I think I've bought so many too. I don't have one right now currently, and I haven't used one in years. But, like, in my lifetime, I've probably bought about 7, 8.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, thank you for raising awareness, though.

[Hannah]

But you turned out okay. It could be the reason for your UTIs, though.

[Paige]

Wait, you know how everyone's getting. You know how everyone's getting sick right now? Like, everyone has the flu.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I was like, wait, I literally don't leave my house. I'm like, wow, everyone's dropping like flies. And I'm like, I wonder why I'm not getting sick. And I'm like, oh, I haven't interacted with another person in two months.

[Hannah]

You're literally quarantining yourself. Literally. I'm kind of obsessed with you. Being in a class action lawsuit for buying airport neck cushions is your. Are you getting UTIs every day and you possibly bought a neck cushion from.

[Paige]

Once I go to my urologist gynecologist, it is over for you bitches.

[Hannah]

No, I can't. Final thought. Leonardo DiCaprio never saw the Titanic.

[Paige]

I saw that with Jennifer Lawrence. Petition for Jennifer Lawrence to just be a red carpet correspondent.

[Hannah]

For sure. Yeah. She was doing serious journalism when she. Leonardo, she said, talk to press when.

[Paige]

When she.

[Hannah]

Oh, she made fun of him. Like dating.

[Paige]

No, when she was with it with all the women and she was like, what color does this sound like? Because what's her name said, oh, I see color when I like when singing. And so she just goes, what color is that?

[Hannah]

Cynthia Erivo. Well, people forget that before Jennifer Lawrence was accused of being the most annoying person in the world, she was the most charming person in the world. And very funny. But it's a thin line with women. It's a thin line that people tried.

[Paige]

To Anne Hathaway her, and it's like, not on my watch. Not on your watch.

[Hannah]

If any of you guys had a bad year, just remember that Anne Hathaway and Jennifer Lawrence were stoned.

[Paige]

Yeah. People tried to say they were annoying.

[Hannah]

Now they're back in action. So if they could recover from that, you can recover from whatever you went through this last year.

[Paige]

So true. The other side is just so much better. You gotta go through some shit. You just have to buckle down and, like, nothing good lasts and nothing bad lasts.

[Hannah]

Oh, my God, you're so.

[Paige]

And when people can't mess with your character, they come for your reputation. And just remember that one, that's my 2026.

[Hannah]

And I do have to say, any horrible things you guys went through in 2025, I guarantee it made you funnier and more interesting at parties.

[Paige]

I've told that stalker story.

[Hannah]

The stalker's like, tag me. At least get some credit.

[Paige]

My stalker is like, okay, so you are home. Like, what?

[Hannah]

Okay, so you're obsessed with me. You're stalking me at this point. If you say my name one more time.

[Paige]

This is so us. It's so dark. Really, like, okay, I'm coming. He's on his way. So I actually have to go.

[Hannah]

Also, they only mentioned me, like, once in one of the letters. I was kind of. I was like, I'm kind of a big part of her life.

[Paige]

I was, oh, my stalker referred to Hannah, but literally in one text. And so I'm like, so screenshotting, sending to Hannah, and she's like, was that it about me? And I'm like, I'm literally just threaten my life. And you're like, so.

[Hannah]

If you're hanging out with your friends one night and one of them gets kidnapped, that's obviously horrible. But for a second, we all were like, what's wrong with me? Like, why was I not chosen? Okay, we need to be stopped. We need to be stopped. Oh, God.

[Paige]

Happy New Year. I can't wait to do our second episode after New Year's Eve.

[Hannah]

I would say after New Year' next week. Oh, yeah, no, we, like, we're doing two episodes a week starting. Let me, like, give you guys official so we. We don't have any confusion. Starting the week of January 5th, we're going two episodes a week. Every episode. Nothing changes. We're just. Double Oreo, double stuffed. Yeah.

[Paige]

Yeah. Okay.

[Hannah]

Love you guys. Bye.

[Paige]

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