Giggling about male spaces, demon hunters, and run clubs

Summary

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Giggly Squad | Episode: Giggling about Male Spaces, Demon Hunters, and Run Clubs

Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo

Date: September 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Giggly Squad is a whirlwind of playful banter and relatable chaos as Hannah and Paige dive into recent adventures, from Paige’s stint reporting at the Ryder Cup—the heart of a male-dominated sporting world—to Des’s accidental run-in with a high school run club on the NYC streets. Touching on male spaces, the quirks of coupledom, personal anxieties, pop culture, fashion trends, and side quests like demon-hunting K-pop stars, the duo roasts both themselves and broader culture with signature humor and camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Life & Relationship Updates

[01:08 - 02:45]

• Paige and Des start with their classic rapport, catching up on their busy weekends—mainly learning about each other’s lives online.
  • "I love when I get an update on you from the World Wide Web." (Paige, 01:52)
• They joke about sleep schedules, couch sleeping, anxiety, and the politics of nighttime routine.
  • "At the end of the day, we're just having sleepovers with ourselves every night." (Paige, 05:17)
• Sectionals (couches) are debated as both a blessing and curse for sleep.

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2. Paige's Ryder Cup Reporting & Male Spaces

[02:48 - 16:00, 19:25 - 24:25, 25:29 - 26:46, 65:54 - 67:21]

• Paige recounts her surreal experience working at the Ryder Cup, waking up at 3am for makeup, and being surrounded by “8 million men.” (03:00+)
• She details the mysterious rituals of male fandom: coordinated costumes, chants, organizing carpools, and intense camaraderie among men at sports events.
  • "You don't know your own mother's birthday, but you've navigated organizing all your friends' outfits." (Paige, 11:46)
  • "I've never seen any men get up for something at 5am other than a court date." (Des, 22:08)
• The culture of sports WAGs (wives and girlfriends), the differences between American and European WAGs, and how women get heckled in male-dominated spaces.
  • "In a space full of thousands of men, the women are getting heckled." (Paige, 09:48)
• Men’s ability to create entire social calendars around football, golf, and other male spaces—often unchallenged in society—contrasted with the lack of an equivalent for women.
  • "All of the weekend during fall. Saturday and Sunday dedicated to them... But there's no equivalent." (Des, 12:13)
• Paige's take as a disruptor of male spaces, using humor to both fit in and call out the absurdities.

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3. Influencer Culture & Male Hobbies

[13:21 - 15:57]

• Paige explores male "influencers" within the golf world, describing how men watch YouTube videos of regular guys playing golf—comparing it to the Giggly Squad's audience.
  • "That's their culture. And like people and girls listen to us because we all have the same sense of humor, but men's sense of humor sometime[s]..." (Paige, 14:12)
• Playful digression into "amateur" culture, with jokes about porn and podcasting preferences for both genders.

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4. Fashion, Fall Trends, & Fittings

[16:11 - 19:25, 58:33 - 62:37]

• Brief but rich conversation on their obsessions with Banana Republic’s fall collections, layering, sweater weather, and fashion nostalgia with a 90s vibe.
  • "Chunky sweater and mini skirt... run around, I'm stopping on leaves." (Des, 16:11)
• Later, they humorously break down the reality of fittings before big events and the emotional labor of trying to find an outfit everyone likes.
  • "It's really stressful because you're basically put on an outfit and have everyone decide if you look like shit or not." (Paige, 62:05)

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5. Harvard, Speaking Engagements, & Giggler Energy

[27:46 - 31:38]

• Paige recounts her speaking gig at Harvard, expecting nerves but finding “just the girls chatting”—and being approached by Giggly Squad fans who snuck in.
  • "We don't even go here. And I'm like, this is the most giggly squad thing." (Des, 29:45)
• Full-circle reflections: Paige as sports reporter; Des at Harvard, having never thought she’d be giving advice to “people significantly smarter.”
  • "You don't even know what dreams you can accomplish." (Paige, 31:38)

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6. Run Clubs, City Life, and Social Annoyances

[37:48 - 41:08]

• Des’s NYC facial interrupted by a stampede of a high school run club labeled “run club chaos,” sparking a riff on New Yorkers’ sidewalk etiquette.
  • "Charging at me is 30 people in a run club. Okay? I literally audibly go, what the fuck is this?" (Des, 39:20)
  • They debate whether running in the city is a fitness routine, a dating app, or a menace to Adrenalin and knees.

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7. Shower Calls, Creative Work, and Personal Boundaries

[42:22 - 43:14]

• The multi-tasking life: Paige answers (and makes) calls from the shower, rationalizing that any 20-minute window should be productive.
  • "There are valuable minutes that I… since then, any call I've had to make through that day... You're gonna call in my shower." (Des, 42:49)
• Both poke fun at conventional work hours and stress how creative bursts come outside the 9-5 grind.

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8. Horse Girl Fall, Gendered Trends, & Commercial Psychology

[43:43 - 46:56]

• Examine the "horse girl" aesthetic's rise as a fall trend, deconstructing why “horse boys” aren’t a thing.
  • "It's never horse boy. No one's ever made fun of a horse boy... They put it on the women." (Paige, 44:25)
• They realize they now identify with the adults, not the kids, in insurance commercials—a sobering sign of adulthood.

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9. Couples TV, “Demon Hunters,” and Tricks to Keep Relationships Fun

[47:36 - 51:13]

• The art of compromising on what to watch, and how both manipulate their partners into watching shows they secretly want.
  • "He doesn't like murder documentaries... if I can get it started before he can have an opinion, he'll be sucked in." (Paige, 48:06)
• The couple gets sucked into Demon Hunters, an animated K-pop demon-battling show, purely for “research”—only to discover they actually enjoy it.
  • "We start watching it to be like, let's make fun of this. Next thing you know, our heads start popping..." (Paige, 50:07)

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10. Beauty Trends & Constructive Criticism

[54:10 - 56:31]

• Brief chat about skin cupping, dermaplaning, and peer-to-peer cosmetic honesty.
  • "But I love constructive criticism. You know that I'm very coachable." (Paige, 55:37)
• Anecdotes about advising their mothers to switch up hairstyles ("an intervention," 55:48).

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11. Fittings, Stylists, and Social Pressures

[58:33 - 62:37]

• Paige explains celebrity fittings (stylist brings options, friends/family chime in), the emotional warfare behind each choice, and how internet feedback can be brutal.
• The world of stylists and celebrity “simple” appearances unmasked.

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12. Fantasy Football & the Drama of Male Interests

[62:54 - 65:30]

• Paige vents about losing fantasy football to Jared Freid thanks to an injured player, satirizing how men’s sports obsessions dominate free time and media.
  • "These men are dropping like flies... My main guy, Malik Neighbors ...his whole knee fell off." (Paige, 63:17)
  • Jokes about how much the sports ecosystem is built for male entertainment.

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13. Masculinity, Glam, and Role Play

[65:54 - 68:12]

• Jokes about men getting glam for TV, gender roles in cosmetics and hairstyling, and the comic appeal of Des being mistaken for Paige's gay makeup artist.
  • "I've never had a straight guy do my makeup ever...this isn't a stereotype, it's a fact." (Paige, 67:21)

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14. Business Ideas for "Fearmongering Men" & Equality (With Humor)

[69:19 - 71:04]

• Satirical brainstorms for anti-aging products marketed at men.
  • "I feel like we're not fearmongering the men enough...we have to make them scared." (Paige, 69:56)
• Playful envisioning of a world where men face the same beauty pressures as women.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Male Rituals:
  "You don't know your own mother's birthday, but you've navigated organizing all your friends' outfits."
  — Paige, 11:46

• On Sports Fandom:
  "I've never seen any men get up for something at 5am other than a court date."
  — Des, 22:08

• On ‘Male Influencers’:
  "So it's like Twitch. Like other guys watch you and your friends play golf instead of them just playing golf with their friends."
  — Paige, 13:57

• On Gendered Trends:
  "It's never horse boy. No one's ever made fun of a horse boy... They put it on the women."
  — Paige, 44:25

• On Getting Older:
  "There was, like, an audition for a mom, and I go, this must be wrong, because I'm not mom age also. And they're like, babe, you're 34. You're actually geriatric."
  — Paige, 46:03

• On Relationships:
  "At the end of the day, we're just having sleepovers with ourselves every night."
  — Paige, 05:17

• On Tricking Men:
  "Life is about making them. Tricking men. It's actually so funny that they run anything and think that we're, like, second to them. It's like we manipulated the out of you guys."
  — Des, 48:11

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Paige’s Ryder Cup experience: 02:48 – 16:00; 19:25 – 24:25; 65:54 – 67:21
• Harvard speaking engagement: 27:46 – 31:38
• Run Club NYC chaos: 37:48 – 41:08
• Demon Hunters / K-pop show discussion: 47:36 – 51:13
• Fashion and fittings deep dive: 16:11 – 19:25, 58:33 – 62:37
• Fantasy football & the drama of men’s sports: 62:54 – 65:30
• Business for scaring men into skincare: 69:19 – 71:04

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Overall Tone & Vibe

The episode brims with snark, self-deprecation, and spicy cultural commentary, bouncing between energetic recaps and deeper musings on gender, adulthood, and societal norms—all filtered through the unmistakably giggly, hyper-relatable lens of Hannah and Paige. The “can’t be managed” attitude remains front and center, and gigglers are reminded: whether infiltrating male spaces, debating the perfect fall look, or plotting world domination via skincare—this squad is always in on the joke.

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Transcript

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[Paige]

Sup, gigglers?

[Des]

Gary, fix your wi fi.

[Paige]

Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

[Des]

I mean, the day just got away from me.

[Paige]

This podcast is starting at 11:11, which is where our spirit angels want us to be.

[Des]

Yeah. At the right place at the right time.

[Paige]

Welcome, my giggly girls. I just chugged a Duncan refresher.

[Des]

Buckle up. So a lot will be edited.

[Paige]

How are you?

[Des]

I'm good. How are you?

[Paige]

I'm good. I had.

[Des]

You had a full weekend. Every time I checked the Internet, I was like, oh, and she's still working. And she's still, still working.

[Paige]

I love when we have to go on the Internet to find out about each other. I love when I get an update on you from the World wide web.

[Des]

The other day I commented on a video of you, but, like, there were no comments. There was like seven likes. I was like, she's perfect. Everyone's like, paige, get out of the comments.

[Paige]

I love that my feed knows that I love you and I just, I'll get your, like, Amazon lives.

[Des]

And I'm just like, anytime something like is about me that's going around the Internet, that's like, not good. I'll call one of my friends and be like, are you getting this in your algorithm? And they'll be like, absolutely not. I've trained my algorithm to be obsessed with that.

[Paige]

So you can check who's like, low key, a hater. Yeah. If they know the negatives. But I'm no help. Because you'll be like, have you seen this? And I go, what planet are we on? First of all, but, no, I don't see any negativity. I see praise. I see comedy.

[Des]

I see loyalty. I see love.

[Paige]

I see girls supporting girls.

[Des]

Speaking of girls supporting girls, you were with, like, 8 million men this weekend. Are you okay?

[Paige]

I've trained my whole life for this moment. Like, I couldn't. I just want to say to the Academy, I couldn't have done it alone. I felt everyone, the giggler support in this time. For you guys who don't know what I did this weekend, I got an email that was like, do you want to do stuff for the Ryder Cup? Which, by the way, I love golf. This is a sports podcast. It was a natural fit.

[Des]

I will say. My first. First initial reaction was, she's going to a horse competition. They're jumping over different things and they're running.

[Paige]

They're riding her. Yeah.

[Des]

And they're riding the C. And it was with.

[Paige]

And they said Marcelo, who's a longtime friend, and Colin Jost, who I've never met before. So I was like, this will be fun. I'm going to make new friends. So first up, the call time for three days was 3:00am no. Now, I don't know if you guys know starting glam at 3am is a violent crime.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

But then I realized there's something about waking up at 3am where, like, you're not actually that deep in sleep.

[Des]

Right. You haven't even hit rem.

[Paige]

It's kind of like, you know when you're, like, partying and you take a little nap, but then you, like, get up and you're like, yeah, I was. I actually didn't fully fall asleep. Anyway, I can go. So 3am was kind of my sweet spot.

[Des]

What time were you going to bed?

[Paige]

So the problem is I'd go to bed at, like, 8. But then I just, like, fight with my own thoughts, and I'd, like, think of things that I've, like, done in the past that I probably, like, could have done differently.

[Des]

Perfect.

[Paige]

But then I realized Des loves watching the Mets. And he was like, I'll watch the Met game. You go to bed. And I was like, no, no, no. The Mets put me to sleep. Yeah, come in here. Watch the Mets.

[Des]

Perfect.

[Paige]

So the Mets.

[Des]

He probably loved that. He was probably like, this.

[Paige]

This is the dream.

[Des]

We're Both asleep by 8pm oh.

[Paige]

Dez was like, welcome to my culture.

[Des]

Let me show you. Well, we have on the nightside table at 8 o', clock, because it's very different than midnight.

[Paige]

And for people that don't know, every night at like 9dez is like, are you tired? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, you should just go to sleep now. And I'm like, no. My second wave comes at 10, then I have a party like on my own. Like I have a whole life without you. When you go to sleep at 9pm.

[Des]

So your, you're a couch person until like your eyes are closing.

[Paige]

And then I, I sometimes will be naughty and just be like, what if.

[Des]

I just slept on the couch?

[Paige]

Slept on the couch. And then at 3am I like having a.

[Des]

Because it's like having a sleepover with yourself.

[Paige]

Yes. And you know what? At the end of the day, we're just having sleepovers with ourselves every night.

[Des]

I went through a phase of anxiety where like I couldn't go to my.

[Paige]

Bed without the TV on.

[Des]

No. Just like in general, couldn't even like go in my bedroom and like get in the bed. Cause I was like.

[Paige]

I've seen too much.

[Des]

I've seen, I know too much. If these walls could talk. And so like I spent like a month on the couch and then one day I woke up and I go.

[Paige]

I think this is depression. Also, what are sofas called that like have the long sectionals. Yeah, let's talk about sectionals.

[Des]

Because I've been waiting for someone to bring this up.

[Paige]

I'm gonna bring it up. Cause people are afraid to bring it up.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Sectionals are single handedly ruining my life.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I wake up in the morning, lie on my sectional and think I'm awake. Why am I so you're not awake. You're in a different bed. Yeah, that's just in your living room. And that's how I like to live my life. But at night it's so easy to fall asleep on my sectional.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And then I'm like, why am I gonna wake up, brush my teeth to get more awake and then try to like, what kind of Hunger Games is this at night?

[Des]

You ever like wake up in the middle of the night and you're like, I have to pee, but I'm gonna be like woken up. So you try and do it with your eyes closed. Like you try and walk and you.

[Paige]

Don'T turn the light on because I'm.

[Des]

Gonna keep this darkness and maybe I brain will think I'm still asleep.

[Paige]

And also, this is coming from two people who are very good at sleeping. Like, I know some comics who like can't sleep. I could the second there's a moving vehicle.

[Des]

Yeah. Oh, I'm done.

[Paige]

But the funny thing Is the second.

[Des]

A man picks a movie, I'm asleep. I'm like, yeah, let's watch that. I could catch some Z's, you know? Right? Because anytime they're like, I really want to watch this. You're like, perfect, I'll be asleep in 15 minutes.

[Paige]

Well, Des and I, some of our biggest fights are when we're trying to figure out what to watch. And he'll be, like, very picky. And then at one point, it's like 8:30, and I look at him and I go, why are you even acting like you're even going to fucking get to the, like, plot of this movie? You're falling asleep the first two minutes. You don't get an opinion.

[Des]

You know, it's even a better feeling saying to a man, like, hey, we're going to watch the show. Them not being really into it. And then 20 minutes in, being like, I love. There's like a power that you feel that you're like, yeah, I knew. I knew you'd love this show.

[Paige]

Or they go like, why would she do that? Because I don't want to say they're interested, but they're, like, trying to understand. They're like, oh, so that was because of that. And I'm like, like, you're in deep. I wish Des would get into Nashville, but I haven't even tried to encroach him on it.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Is that a word?

[Des]

Nice. Nice.

[Paige]

You said I made that encroach if it doesn't mean that it should. So what happened was I have trouble falling asleep when I know I need to fall asleep.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, when there's pressure involved, then I'm out. So I'm like, having trouble falling asleep. I finally fall asleep at, like, 11. I wake up at 12 thinking it's like 2:55. And yeah, I check. I realized I've been asleep for 20 minutes, and I thought it was already three. So I wake up at three. It's pitch black. The. My girl's doing glam on me. I'm apologizing to her profusely because I'm like, this is my fault you're here. And we get to the Ryder cup, and I've never been to a live golf game. And it. The energy was.

[Des]

You've never been to, like, a golf.

[Paige]

A golf tournament.

[Des]

Interesting. I would have assumed you've been to many. Peacock is listening to this. They're like, interesting. That actually makes a lot of sense.

[Paige]

I wasn't in the initial zoom, and.

[Des]

We should have done some research.

[Paige]

I love watching The Golf Channel, because I am a retired old man deep down. But watching golf live, there's. It's 18 holes and I have to say I was looking out for you in terms of wag options. Aesthetics. Yes. Justin Thomas, who is one of the top US guys, his wife came up, said she's a giggler. Shout out, Jillian, we're obsessed with you.

[Des]

Yeah, but she looks so cute on the green.

[Paige]

But I have to say, for Jillian, this is not a Morgan Riddle situation. This is not tennis. Morgan Riddle shows up, sits down, seated for three, four hours. And there's waitresses, there's waitresses. The lighting is great.

[Des]

Gorgeous.

[Paige]

She doesn't have to deal with other people.

[Des]

No. These Wags, yeah, they're in the thick of it.

[Paige]

Have to follow their husbands for miles while surrounded by crazy friends fans who are like, like, Rory McElroy's wife was getting like verbally assaulted.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And well, and, and now you know what it's like being a woman.

[Des]

And I was just going to say that's interesting. In a space full of thousands of.

[Paige]

Men, the women are getting heckled. Heckled.

[Des]

Interesting, Interesting.

[Paige]

She's not even there performing. She's.

[Des]

She's like, hi, I'm a supportive patron.

[Paige]

And then I was just thinking of the Wags because all the European Wags are wearing these tan blazers. They're all matching, like. And then all the American Wags were wearing the top.

[Des]

Always America versus Europe.

[Paige]

Which is funny because I'm like, okay, so it's one country versus 35 countries. Who knows? Who knows? But that's how it worked out. I kept asking everyone of Spain's in Europe and they were like, what are you talking about, ma'? Am? And I was like, I don't know. I actually don't know.

[Des]

No, you did so good. Like, every clip I saw of you was so good. And I'm sitting there like watching like edits of you and I had this thought, I know why you did so good. Because you, you love being in male dominated spaces and being like, wait a minute, I'm gonna trick all of you into literally being my bitch. Like, you were like interviewing them, but they didn't know that you were making fun of them. Like this sat. It was just so good.

[Paige]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Because I was in a war and the gigglers were messaging me. They were like, blink if you need help. Yeah. But I love golf to my core. And I also love disrupting male spaces, so you're so right. I was in the thick of it. But Let me just set the stage for you. It's pitch black. It's 5:45pm yeah, they put a mic on me. Am sorry, am. And they go, you're going to go into the grandstand. And I'm like, no one's going to be here at 5. 5,000 people in the grandstand. Pitch black. So I'm like, it feels like it's nighttime.

[Des]

Oh, and men don't notice little details. They've literally planned, figured out carpooling to be somewhere at 5:45 on a Saturday morning.

[Paige]

You don't know your own mother's birthday, but you've navigated organizing all your friends, outfits.

[Des]

I was just gonna say matching costumes.

[Paige]

Matching costumes. They've rehearsed Chance. They're so fucking ready. So I get there and I realize, like, I'm surrounded by 5,000 drunk men at 5:45.

[Des]

Also, I'm like really hating men today. I don't know why. I had a nice weekend. Here's another thing with the men. They get so many life breaks. All of the weekend during fall. Saturday and Sunday dedicated to them. Then they've even added Monday and Thursday dedicated to them. Then there's a day on the weekend where they're like, I really want to go with my boys golfing. Great, go. Like, I don't give a shit. But no one ever talks about, like, if you're a mom and a wife and your husband goes and does these like, activities with his friends, totally fine, have the best time ever. But there's no equivalent. Like there are so many days built into the week that just instinctually, you know, like, oh yeah, the guys are gonna be like. Or like, you ever been out before? And like, plans change. Pre games change, club nights change. Because it's like, oh, there's a fight on. So like every guy in America is at some bar watching some fight and you're like, but I have an outfit and we have dinner reservations.

[Paige]

Yeah, well, yeah, there's certain things society will like, stop for whatever the men want to do.

[Des]

They're like, the girls do it.

[Paige]

They're like, influencing is not a real job.

[Des]

It's like, oh, God, God forbid we go to a beauty summit.

[Paige]

But I do have to say so. There's a couple like golf influencers out there that I wasn't familiar with. Never came across my algorithm. Yeah, and there were like all these crowds, like all excited to see these golf influencers. So I looked it up and so this is what men do. They watch youtubes of non professional players. Like normal golfers golf with each other. So I, I went up to one of the guys and I was like, so it's like twitch. Like other guys watch you and your friends play golf instead of them just playing golf with their friends. And they were like, yeah, like we're just like their favorite. Their favorite streamers. But then I took a step back and I realized I hate when men come up to us and they're like, so you guys like just. You watch stuff, you just talk about stuff with each other. People like giggly squad. Then I realized like, that's their culture.

[Des]

That's their culture.

[Paige]

That's their culture. And like people and girls listen to us because we all have the same sense of humor, but men's sense of humor sometime. Chris, do you ever watch other men just do stuff that aren't professional at it? Yeah, it's called podcasting. You listen to men's podcasts? I have to, it's my job.

[Des]

I was gonna say porn. Chris loves amateur. He's like, it's just more real if.

[Paige]

We'Re getting into it. Can I just say something?

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Guys definitely pick the porn based on the guy. What do you mean by that? Like, would you ever like not click on one because a guy looks the type of way. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And sometimes they're like, I like that one. It's funny, you know? Cause I pick a girl I want you to look. Yeah.

[Des]

Based on what? I like her to look like.

[Paige]

I want DEZ to pick porn based on girls who look identical to me.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And then sometimes I feel like I want porn.

[Des]

Men aren't even in my porn algorithm.

[Paige]

That's so crazy. I don't want to.

[Des]

I've never come across having sex.

[Paige]

That's disgusting.

[Des]

That's disgusting. It's disgusting.

[Paige]

So like they ruined the porn.

[Des]

So embarrassing for them.

[Paige]

Cuz it's so easy to get the ick from guys from porn. Like them even being like, yeah, I'm like, I'm out.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like him going, oh yeah, I'm out.

[Des]

We don't talk about this enough either. Like I could in my head picture like four porn girls that like I've seen in the past 15 years that like you just always see gorgeous, stunning. I couldn't picture one good looking guy porn star. Like I don't think I've ever come across one.

[Paige]

I know.

[Des]

I also don't look for them so they could be out there. I'm just not seeing it.

[Paige]

It's none of my business.

[Des]

Anyway. We digress.

[Paige]

We digress.

[Des]

It's officially Fall. Because Banana Republic said so. One of my favorite stores. Because I feel like they have such good, like, vibe for fall. Like, I want chunky sweater and mini skirt.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Des]

I want to wear a ballet flat or a boot.

[Paige]

Yes. A little chill. But then you get your sweater around and you're just like, I'm so little. I want to wear a sweater dress with a high boot. Yep. And just, like, run around. I'm stopping on leaves.

[Des]

I'm not fake. Glasses on.

[Paige]

Yes. And look like I just finished reading a book.

[Des]

Yes.

[Paige]

Even though I don't have.

[Des]

And you have, like, the perfect hair color for fall.

[Paige]

I didn't want to say it, but it. It is. It is. And it goes well with all the sweater colors. It's sweater weather also. I like when the sweaters are, like, not itchy and they have, like, a little stretch to them and it feels comfortable. I want to be able to take a nap in them after walking around playing with the leaves, which is what I do in the fall. I also love a knit dress because I can wear it to podcasting. Then I could go to dinner with it. Then I come home and like, watch TV in it.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

It's so versatile.

[Des]

The fall in general, I feel like, is versatile because you can add so many layers. And Banana Republic, not only do they have, like, great sweaters, Sweater dresses, but they also have, like, good T shirts and tank tops and basics. And, like, they also have really good button ups. Like, I'm always on the hunt for a new crisp white.

[Paige]

They're not all created equal.

[Des]

They're not. You need some oversized. You need some fitted.

[Paige]

This is my question.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Do you button it up to the.

[Des]

Top Sometimes, if the look calls for it.

[Paige]

True. Like if you need a tie. Yes, yes. Yeah. A little tie with a cardigan. And their new arrivals are all inspired.

[Des]

By their archives of the 90s and kind of like their heritage collection, which I love. Anything inspired by the 90s. It was a chic time.

[Paige]

So good.

[Des]

But obviously Banana Republic has made them fresh wearable for today. Just updated.

[Paige]

Yes. So let's present our October edit. What are you wearing right now?

[Des]

I'm wearing this. I don't even want to say it's orange because it's like an orangey red. It's just the perfect October sweater.

[Paige]

You're gonna. The Internet's gonna be so confused. This is the new. Is it blue or gold dress? It's. To me, it's burnt. Burnt orange, but red.

[Des]

It's giving orange, red, orange.

[Paige]

The way you're saying Orange is throwing me off orange.

[Des]

And it's also a blend of wool and cashmere. I find fully wool. I get a little bit itchy.

[Paige]

Oh, a hundred percent. I need a little bit of a 100. You need a blend of merino wool and cashmere. What's your skirt?

[Des]

My skirt is just like this really cute suede. Like, again, chocolate brown. Chocolate brown goes with every color.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Des]

You can put chocolate brown with anything.

[Paige]

I am wearing my warm sweater dress. I love neutral colors, this beige and tan. I just feel like it's giving rich, it's giving luxury, and you could wear it with anything. Yeah. You could dress it up with heels, you could dress it down with loafers. I love that it has a tie waist and a side slit. I love showing low waist. My mom told me to show my curves more, so she's going to be happy about this dress.

[Des]

Oh, good.

[Paige]

Yeah. So girls, go shop. Banana Republic's new arrivals, they are online and in the stores. High quality fabric, versatile. It's made for fall, but you can keep them wear forever.

[Des]

Banana Republic is actually one of those stores that it's nice to go into because it's always clean and neat and we love that. That's a note I need to know.

[Paige]

And it makes me feel like I have my stuff together. This Brandon segment was brought to you by the one and only Banana Republic. So at one point, I get in the crowd and we have to find people to interview. And the producer is like, hi, guys, this is Hannah. She's gonna send you some interviews. The guys all start chanting, hannah. And in that moment, I've never been more scared in my life. I was like, I want to be out.

[Des]

If this was on a quad, I'd be running. If this was on in a college campus, I'd have the.

[Paige]

I'm calling the police.

[Des]

Yeah, I'm calling the police.

[Paige]

I'm calling the police. I looked at the producer, I said, something's going to happen right now and I'm going to need everyone on high alert. And it's funny because I feel like the producers were like, oh, this is a different kind of situation. Yeah, but then there's always, like one giggler that I find. And she looked at me, I looked at her and she was like, you can do this. I'm here for you. And I was like, okay. But it's true. The men don't they. Like, I think that's the fun of it. Like, I. I don't want to make them feel like shit. Like, I want to make them feel like, they can talk to me.

[Des]

Yeah, but.

[Paige]

And then say whatever they want. But these guys who are like, we got away from our wives. Yeah, we got away from our wives. I was like, that's gay, babe. You're all like, we just want to hang out with each other because these goddamn women.

[Des]

And Marcelo said something where he was like, I've never seen grown men, like, flirt with other grown men to be like, hey, Rory, over here. And I was like, oh my, he's so right.

[Paige]

I do love fandom. And I love that people can love something and like instantly get joy from it.

[Des]

Totally.

[Paige]

But there, like when I was in college when a guy was like obsessed with one of the guys on the basketball team, it was like immediate ick for me. Just cuz I'm like, he's your age. You could have done that.

[Des]

No, that's exactly how I think of it.

[Paige]

Like, when did a couple push ups in middle school?

[Des]

Like, wow, he's like, so good. He's like, he's a rookie of the year, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you're the same age. Like, you could have done that.

[Paige]

It's totally great to respect them and to appreciate them. Be like, by the way, yeah, that guy's really cool. But the way they'll be like, if he fucking looks in my direction right now, I will pay myself. Everyone's obsessed with Bryson DeChambeau, which I would go around asking people if they could spell DeChambeau, which obviously they couldn't. Neither could I. But then this one guy, I don't know if I should post the video or not, because I actually feel bad for him.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So he goes, I said, who are you rooting for? And he goes, you know, I get hard for Bryson and then he immediately stops himself. And I look at him, he looks at me and he goes, no, I didn't mean it like that. And I go, freudian slip. He goes, I'm excited to cheer hard for Bryson. And I go, still doesn't sound better. But like, these guys want to fuck Bryson.

[Des]

Yeah, they do.

[Paige]

Like when he gets on, they're like, it's Bryson.

[Des]

I've never seen any men get up for something at 5am Other than a court date. Like, what? I mean, what are they? How did they all.

[Paige]

Court mandated therapy. Yeah.

[Des]

How did they all coordinate a bunch.

[Paige]

Of men coming together to root for a guy named Bryson. America's over.

[Des]

Yeah, we're done. We're in the pits.

[Paige]

We're done. If he has a Y early in his name, we're done. That man can't be trusted. So. But also with golf, like, these guys, I love the passion. They were so riled up. But, like, they're seeing this guy hit a tee shot. Right. By the way, the ball's the tiniest ball in the world. No one can see where it goes.

[Des]

So, like, why aren't they lime green? Hello. I'm like, what?

[Paige]

Why aren't. Why aren't they highlighter colored? Yeah. Pink at least. Sparkles.

[Des]

Yeah. Do something. I can't see that.

[Paige]

You can't see it. Right into the sky.

[Des]

Gone.

[Paige]

But everyone's like, quiet for the guy to go. And then the ball goes. And everyone goes. And I'm like, no one dunked. Like, there wasn't. There wasn't a home run. This was a. And it. It wasn't even the hole.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So I love golf. And it was such a crazy experience. I saw Jimmy Fallon.

[Des]

How was he?

[Paige]

He. He was like.

[Des]

Was he in a costume?

[Paige]

He was wearing, like, a cool jacket. Jimmy's always a little stylish, and he's fun. So I saw him. I was like, hey, me and Paige say hi. Whatever. I'm trying to think what else. I saw Michael Jordan.

[Des]

You did?

[Paige]

From afar. I just stared at him the whole time.

[Des]

Did you know Michael Jordan has a golf. He loves golf course like, that he made just for, like, him and his friends? Like, I don't think. I think it has, like, maybe 100 members, but it. And obviously I don't think any women are allowed, but we saw that coming.

[Paige]

I do Space Jam's my favorite movie. So, like, I was in Starstruck, and that is also basketball players. When you see them in person, you're like, damn.

[Des]

Like, they are large men.

[Paige]

Like, when you see famous people in person, you go. And you're the tiniest thing I've ever seen. But basketball is like the opposite because you see them.

[Des]

I love that because I'm like, I'm so skinny.

[Paige]

Yeah. And you see. You see basketball players always with their friends.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So you can't tell if they're small.

[Des]

Right.

[Paige]

Such a fun experience. I just had the best time. I just, like, love sports. Yeah, you do. And then the giggles.

[Des]

So crazy. I'm watching clips of you. I'm like, she loves this.

[Paige]

Also. I feel like with stand up, you have to be actually. Amy Poehler told us this. To quote the great Amy Poehler in her show that she does with Tina Fey, they do all these different things. They do like Weekend Update and they do, like, their Oscars Monologue they do all these things and there's a part where they do stand up. And Amy was like, stand up was actually the most interesting thing to do for me because she's like. It was the most vulnerable because I had to be myself because she's like an improv actor. And I'm like, I never thought of it like that. Yeah.

[Des]

Like, she's talking about. You're talking about stories from your own day to day.

[Paige]

You're just like, hi, this is me. Let me tell you, you some stuff you're not like, I'm a character. Oh, that was the character that said that. But with the sports reporting, it's fun because, like, well, my dream after tennis shit the bed was to be a sports reporter.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

If you come to our giggly squad shows, you know, we show some footage. But I really wanted to be like a sports reporter. So it was funny to. I kind of tried to like be that character. Like, back to you, Colin.

[Des]

Back to you in the studio, Colin.

[Paige]

I'm loving it. Like, the guys would start. Oh, they also would start chanting.

[Des]

I also loved that you wore like that navy blue little bear sweater. Perfect for like early morning shout out to Ralph Lauren. Yeah.

[Paige]

It was so cute. The bear had little golf clubs.

[Des]

Shout out Ralph.

[Paige]

I felt adorable. Also when I put a collared shirt under a sweater. Under a sweater. I mean business.

[Des]

You have a money manager.

[Paige]

I'm not around. No. Like, I know. I know things.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And I feel like also when I. The difficult. The most difficult thing about live TV is like, you have people in your ear. But I'm also chatty Kathy. So I'm chatting with everyone. Someone's in the mirror. I'm like, I'm not listening to that. And they're going, just another voice.

[Des]

Just a Tuesday, am I right?

[Paige]

I have 18 different things in my head right now. But also it is fun though, because if someone starts talking to you that you're like, don't want to talk to you. Like, I go, sorry, someone's in my ear. No one's. It's like when you fake a phone.

[Des]

Call, you're like, so sorry, I'm working.

[Paige]

But then people would start chanting around me. And if you yell into the mic, it sounds crazy, but they can't hear you unless you yell. Right. So I was like navigating all the yelling, but I felt like I was back at Wisconsin at a Big Ten football game.

[Des]

Who won?

[Paige]

So Europe ended up winning. Okay, Europe won. The Irish guy, Shane Lowry sunk a putt to do it, I believe.

[Des]

Good For Shane.

[Paige]

I was happy for him. So anyway. Oh, and then I also flew to lady gang Florida.

[Des]

Yeah, for a couple hours for.

[Paige]

I went on stage 45 minutes, yelled at a bunch of girls, had so.

[Des]

Much fun, got on a flight, came back, saw us.

[Paige]

Taylor Strucker and Taylor Donahue.

[Des]

No, the girls are working.

[Paige]

The girls are working. And then you've been giving speeches across America. You are Mel Robbins of Hot girls.

[Des]

I'm like, actually, don't let them and then murder them.

[Paige]

And this is how you put together a set. Okay. She goes, I know you don't want to, but you just go put them together. Okay.

[Des]

Okay.

[Paige]

This is how you walk in a kitten heel.

[Des]

So many giggly squad coded things happened at Harvard that I was just like, yeah, of course.

[Paige]

Tell me everything.

[Des]

So first of all, like, would you. Will you come to Harvard and, like, talk to. They have, like, an entertainment club who, like, gets all of their speakers. So, like, anyone can go and, like, listen to any of those talks. So I would say it was like 100 business school students, primarily, like, all girls. But I walk in there and I'm, like, a little nervous. And then, like, I see the room and I'm like, oh, this is going to be fine. This is just like the girls chatting. And so we're like, talking. And then there's like a time for like, a Q and A. And this one girl raises her hand and I look at her and I go, are your glasses real?

[Paige]

And she.

[Des]

And she looks at me like, yeah, bitch, I go to Harvard. They're fucking real.

[Paige]

And she goes, why would you come for my weak eyesight right now in front of everyone?

[Des]

She was so confused at first. She was like, my. I go, yeah, are they real or like, is it, like, trendy? And she was like, no, these are my glasses. And I was just like, okay, sorry.

[Paige]

She goes, sorry, my vision is not a trend.

[Des]

I was like, I have it. I love what you're doing. They're like clear frames. Like, she's about to ask me a question. I'm just like, where did you go?

[Paige]

I love this aesthetic that you have.

[Des]

And like, what is this bookworm, like, vibe you're giving? And she's like, no, this is me. I'm like, okay.

[Paige]

So she goes, it's giving. Smart girl. You're in your head being like, wait, how do I replicate that? I love.

[Des]

Cause all day I'm like, what would a Harvard student wear?

[Paige]

You dress up for themes?

[Des]

Yes. I'm going in there as someone different. I'm going in there as an adjunct professor. Like, I have things to do, live in Cambridge. Like, I'm coming up with a whole scenario. So then, like, talk is over. I'm, like, walking out. These Gigglers run up to me, and they go, guess what? And I go, what? They go, we don't even go here. And I'm like, this is the most giggly squad thing. She was like, yeah, we heard you were coming. And so we just walked in the door. And I go, as you should. It's a free country.

[Paige]

The gigglers are problem solvers. They don't. They're manifesters. They will never be told no.

[Des]

They're like, pages at Harvard. Cool. We just applied. Whatever.

[Paige]

We just graduated.

[Des]

I think this just made my whole day.

[Paige]

I'll do college gigs, and there'll be girls in the crowd after that are like, we're millennials. We just, you know, enjoy the show.

[Des]

No, I'm upset.

[Paige]

Wait, when you walked into Harvard, were you like, because Harvard is iconic. Like, how it looked, did you feel like was this.

[Des]

I felt immediately like Elle Woods. I was just like, rory Gilmore really fucked up. Going to Yale. It's all about Harvard. Like, I was obsessed. They gave me a hat.

[Paige]

We're sponsor, sponsored by Harvard guys. If you want to apply, use the code page 20.

[Des]

I'm hoping that one day I can be successful enough that they'll give me an honorary degree. And then it's like, it's game over. Yeah. It's like, sorry, she went to Harvard.

[Paige]

I do want to appreciate this full circle moment for both of us. Me becoming a sports reporter and you. I'm just gonna say, yeah. You didn't even, like, apply to Harvard.

[E]

No.

[Paige]

Like, that wasn't in your vision board. And not because you didn't respect it more because you were like, that's not my journey.

[Des]

I never thought there'd be a group of people significantly smarter than me asking me advice. Never. In my days, the fact that you.

[Paige]

Were like, I could never get into Harvard. Like, you've probably thought that thought before.

[Des]

You know, I knew I could never get into Harvard, that I didn't even have that thought. It was never a debate. I just thought, what a pretty school. So happy that they went with Crimson. No one's doing that. You know, Like, I never thought, like, could I not? It was like, wait, you go, h.

[Paige]

Is my best friend's first name. So I kind of like the vibe. No, so the fact that you're there is so fucking cool. And it shows. People, like, you don't even know what dreams you can accomplish?

[Des]

No. And also, I realize that my love. My love language is different events and finding the. The perfect outfit that just, like, goes along with that event. So then the next day, I had to go speak at this, like, klaviyo, like, conference type thing. And I was like, what would a speaker with a headset wear? And I was like, a pillbox hat. Like, I literally called up everyone. I was like, I need all the hats.

[Paige]

Back. Back up, back up, back up. How did you know what a pillbox hat was? Because I don't. What was the inspiration behind a pillbox hat?

[Des]

So pillbox hats started trending last fall.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Des]

I didn't have an opportunity to wear one. I didn't have, like, the right venue. I couldn't find the perfect pillbox hat. It's very, like, Jackie O.

[Paige]

Yes.

[Des]

Okay. She wears them a little bit more on the back of her head. I like the London Tipton look, and I like looking like a bellhop and having it, like, right in the front. And so my whole personality that day was I was wearing a hat. And, like, even I'm up there on stage speaking, and I'm like, well, since.

[Paige]

I'm in a hat today, let me ask my hat. Hold on one second.

[Des]

No, literally, I was the Hogwarts, like, hat sorter. I was like, you're Slytherin. Yes. My hat was perfect.

[Paige]

As someone who can't pull off a basic baseball cap, when you put that on, I was like, this is otherworldly. Like, I couldn't. That was, like, you thinking of Harvard is me thinking about you wearing that hat.

[Des]

And then I'm looking for the bathroom, and there's, like, camera people. I think they were, like, filming it for, like, their own internal whatever. And I, like, turned to one of the camera operators, just be like, hey, do you know where the bathroom is? Summer house camera guy.

[Paige]

No.

[Des]

Yeah. I was like, oh, my God.

[Paige]

You go, how the turntables have turned.

[Des]

I was like, look at us.

[Paige]

Look at us.

[Des]

Look at us. Just at Harvard.

[Paige]

I go up to the camera guy being like. Like, can you send some clips? Because I really thought I looked good in that.

[Des]

They did seat me on my wrong side, but, like, on my bad side. But I was. But I was like, wait. I was like, I'm in a hat, so it's fine.

[Paige]

You decided you have a bad side?

[Des]

Well, I've taken on the role you've given me.

[Paige]

Wait, I caused you to have an insecurity about one of your sides? No, don't. No, no.

[Des]

I have to be on this side.

[Paige]

That's not true. I don't want my okay.

[Des]

I wouldn't get to saying that because if I ever want to switch, you'll be like, it's actually your badge.

[Paige]

Actually, I will use it against you. I love that the Gigglers are so aware when we're standing that we're always on our sides.

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[Des]

Wait. Also, this weekend, while you were like literally running the world, I woke up Saturday morning. I'm like, let me get a day in. Let me like do my own thing. I wake up Saturday morning, it's 8am I'm going to get a facial at 8:30. It's the only time she could get me in. I'm like, but I love this. No one's up that early on a Saturday morning except the girls coming and going from Pilates and bisexual men.

[Paige]

Yep.

[Des]

Like that's the only people that are on the streets. Yep. So I get out of my uber, I'm like 15 minutes early. So I'm looking at my phone to like see what time it is. I'm standing, I'm standing closer to the entrance of the building than I am to the street. I'm not in the middle of the sidewalk, but I'm not like right up to like the entrance of the build. So I'm like, right, okay, there's a.

[Paige]

Lot of visuals starting right now. She goes, I'm seven yards to the right. Let me drop a pin for you.

[Des]

Ready? I'm me here you. So I'm not in the middle of the sidewalk, but I'm not like, there's also no one on the sidewalk. I'm like looking at my phone to See if I should go up yet or like, what apartment number is it? Whatever. And I just hear someone say, heads up. And I'm like, like, I turn. I literally get turned around because all of the sudden charging at me is 30 people in a run club. Okay? I literally audibly go, what the fuck is this?

[Paige]

You got shot.

[Des]

I literally was. I was assaulted. I was burglarized. I was thrown on the street. Like, I literally turned with the motion of them, like whipping.

[Paige]

They turned, just took you with them. Next you know, you're running. I didn't sign up for this. I like, I have a facial.

[Des]

So I'm like, I'm immediately angered cuz I'm like, you guys, who the is getting?

[Paige]

There should be signs like, you know, it says no biking on the sidewalk, no running on the sidewalk.

[Des]

I was like, is this what's happening before 10am on a Saturday morning? You've gone rogue. You've taken over the city. It's Gotham City here now.

[Paige]

They.

[Des]

They stop at the corner. You're like, back in. No, I literally like look up because I'm like, who are these fucking people that I never want to see again? I realize high school team, high school track team.

[Paige]

Oh, they're just trying to run.

[Des]

And so I was like, you know what? Take back everything.

[Paige]

They're chasing their dreams.

[Des]

You guys, get your exercise.

[Paige]

But also high school kids, let them sleep.

[Des]

No, I was like, guys, what happened.

[Paige]

To after school activity? It's after school activities.

[Des]

No, I couldn't even believe extracurriculars, something like that to happen.

[Paige]

Also, New York City schools having a run club. Like my New York City school, our gym, the ceiling was so low you couldn't shoot the basketball.

[Des]

I mean, I think it was the track team. But yeah, I was like, I liked calling them the run club.

[Paige]

The run club.

[Des]

That's because I thought they were adults.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

And then I realized they were kids.

[Paige]

And I was like, I feel like low key. Running in New York City though, is like a dating app. If you do it, like people say the west side highway is just like hot people running and like eye. It's like the airport for fit people.

[Des]

I'm not a doctor, but I think running is so bad for you.

[Paige]

No, it's so bad for your knees.

[Des]

I think it raises your, like. Yeah, Your adrenaline. You're like, I don't.

[Paige]

I almost bought one of the shaking pads.

[Des]

Do what? Vibration plate. I love it.

[Paige]

How often do you use it?

[Des]

Every day.

[Paige]

Because it says it releases trauma.

[Des]

Yeah, I haven't like cried on It.

[Paige]

But, no, I cried often.

[Des]

I really think it does help.

[Paige]

Wait, can I call you out for a second?

[Des]

Fine.

[Paige]

Paige calls me, and she's, like, really focused, talking about something, but it sounds like she's in a car wash. Like, it sounds like she's in a rainforest. So I go.

[Des]

I'm like, this is my last minute on the phone. You've got to listen to me.

[Paige]

So she's rambling, and I go, hold on. Are you in a rainforest? And then instead of being, like, explaining herself, she goes, what? And then I'm like, oh, maybe she's on speaker. You know, sometimes on speaker, it's weird. And she. You make me feel like I'm crazy. You go, what? What? And I go, it sounds insane. And she goes, yeah, I'm in the shower anyway. And I'm like, okay. You could have prefaced it with being like, hey, sorry, I'm underwater right now, but you made feel like I was crazy for being like, you're drowning.

[Des]

I get some of my best work done in there.

[Paige]

So you get in the shower, you get thoughts. Where is your phone?

[Des]

Well, I have my octo buddy, so she's stuck right on the. Yeah, right on the side.

[Paige]

By the way, she has FaceTime. Me in the shower as well.

[Des]

Totally.

[Paige]

I know her full routine.

[Des]

About 10 years ago, one of my friends called me, my friend Ryan. And I don't know, he's telling me something, and the exact same thing happened. I go, where are you? He goes, oh, I'm in the shower. And I go.

[Paige]

She goes. And then. Shh. And then the other. Shh. And then you're like, what?

[Des]

I'm like. You're calling me in the shower? And he goes, yeah, this is 20 valuable minutes that I. And ever since then, any call I've had to make through that day, that's not, like, super important, but, like, I have to tell you something. I have to talk to you. I don't have any other time during the day. You're gonna call in my shower?

[Paige]

I do think that we put too much pressure on people to get work done between the hours of 9 to 5 while sitting on a desk.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Cause creatively, I'm sorry. Creatively, for me, stuff comes to me at 10:30 when I'm spacing out. When I'm in my bed.

[Des]

I'm so hot right now.

[Paige]

Yeah. I'm wearing a tank top. How are you? I might take it off. They won't be matching. Oh, and you have the hiccups. Oh, Paige. Paige, One moment. Have you heard of horse girl fall.

[Des]

Is it horse girl? Hello? Is it horse girl?

[Paige]

Do you need to take us home? Apparently. And this is my thing. I love horses. I love a funny trend. You know, I'm on every trend. Horse girl was one thing that I never was able to do, I think, because I grew up in Brooklyn. Yeah, There weren't a lot of horse girls, but I. The equestrian trend is cool, and I love animals.

[Des]

It's funny that horse girls get, like, a bad rep because anyone I knew growing up riding horses, they were rich. Horse girl, cool. Your dad will buy and sell everyone in the town, like.

[Paige]

And like. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Horse girl is so weird that it got negative. It's like, cat girl, crazy cat ladies.

[Des]

Totally.

[Paige]

But again, you know what it is? It's never horse boy. No one's ever made fun of a horse boy.

[Des]

They're never like, it's a basketball boy. It's like, no, he just plays basketball.

[Paige]

No one's like, oh, crazy little horsey men running around. No, they put it on the women. Sorry. She's connected to her horse.

[Des]

Yeah, sorry. She has passions.

[Paige]

Yeah. God forbid.

[Des]

You have A friend thought the other day, and I want to ask you.

[Paige]

I had one thought.

[Des]

You know when there's, like, commercials where it's for, like, insurance, like, home insurance or, like, car insurance or something, but it's like a story that has nothing to do with, like, home insurance. But it's like a montage, and it's like. It's like two people meet and they buy a house together. And then, like, the next clip is like, oh, my God, they're having a baby. And then the child's growing up.

[Paige]

And then, like, an asteroid hits.

[Des]

Yeah. And they're like, make sure you call Geico, like, something like that. When you watch those commercials, do you think of yourself as the mom in it, or do you think of yourself as the child? Because I was watching this commercial, and it was like, the parents getting the daughter ready, obviously, for, like, her high school graduation. And I was like, oh, my God, Like, I wonder what my future child's, like, high school graduation is going to be like or something. And then I stopped, and I was like, I think I just turned into an adult. Because I feel like I used to watch those commercials and think of myself as the child and think of my parents as, like, I hope they have home insurance. And now I'm like, oh, my God, I'm the parent.

[Paige]

This is so funny. For anyone who doesn't know, I've been auditioning, haven't Gotten a call back yet?

[Des]

But she's trying, and she's pushing hard.

[Paige]

She's trying to push. I'm pushing hard. There was, like, an audition for a mom, and I go, this must be wrong, because I'm not mom age also. And they're like, babe, you're 34. You're actually geriatric.

[Des]

I should suggest you don't have kids now. You're actually, too.

[Paige]

There was, like, a tennis movie, and they were like, the girls are like college tennis players. And they go, perfect. And they're like, but we.

[Des]

And you'll be their mom. And you're like, sorry, how can I be a college person's mom if I'm also on the team in college?

[Paige]

Yeah, you can't be a mom while playing on the team. And they're like, you've got so wrong. Auditioning for a mom is crazy behavior.

[Des]

Crazy.

[Paige]

But I also will watch those commercials, and at first, I. I'm like, the girl. And then they start saying all this stuff about, like. And then you have to file. And I'm like, the second filing's involved, I'm like, this is not relatable to me.

[Des]

I. I can't believe you just said that. Because all weekend, I go, the moment someone mentions the word margins, I'm out. Like, at Harvard and this klaviyo thing. I literally looked at my manager, and I was like, what if they asked me, like, a really hard question that I don't know? And she was like, you're gonna be fine. Like, you know what they're gonna be asking.

[Paige]

Be a politician. Turn it on them.

[Des]

And I was like, if someone starts bringing up margins and financials, I'm literally throwing up on stage and leaving. So anyway, that word really gets me going.

[Paige]

I also have to give an update. Des and I sometimes have trouble picking the same kind of show.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Because we have different sleeping schedules. So I'm watching Nashville. But then he showed up one night, and I was like, he showed up.

[Des]

Out of the blue?

[Paige]

It was so weird.

[Des]

I was like, oh, do you live here?

[Paige]

Who invited you?

[Des]

He came out from the bedroom, and I was like, oh, my God.

[Paige]

But he's like, let's watch something. And this is the problem. He doesn't. He doesn't like murder documentaries or, like, he's a little stubborn, where he likes to say that if I can get it started before he can have an opinion, he'll be sucked in.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, he's always like, I don't want to watch a documentary. Life is about making them Tricking men.

[Des]

It's actually so funny that they run anything and think that we're, like, second to them. It's like we manipulated the out of you guys. But anyway, I keep going, and I'm.

[Paige]

Like, what are you going to watch? I know he's going to fall asleep soon. So I'm like, yeah, whatever you want to watch. And he. He goes, what's this Demon Hunters thing? And I was like, I don't watch his Demon Hunters.

[Des]

And he's like, heard of it?

[Paige]

Everyone's talking about it.

[Des]

What's it on?

[Paige]

It's Netflix. It's like the most watched thing. It's about a.

[Des]

Is this the K pop show?

[Paige]

It's about a K. Do you know the story?

[Des]

I heard someone talking about it because their daughter is, like, obsessed with K pop.

[Paige]

He basically does. Also was like, sometimes we like to watch stuff to be like, is there a joke here? Because it's, like, really popular. That's how he prefaced it to me. So I said, okay, we're doing research.

[Des]

Wait, I'm obsessed with that.

[Paige]

Yeah. He was like, let's watch it, and maybe there's something funny that we can get on stage. And I said, maybe we can make fun of these losers in this show. Or do you actually just want to watch demon K pop hunters? Just say it. But it's so. It's about this K pop. I would love to see the pitch room of this. Like, okay, so people love K Pop.

[Des]

Yeah, but it's real people acting.

[Paige]

It's cartoon, but it's like, realistic cartoon. Hold on.

[Des]

Your husband pulled up. Your husband on a Saturday night, rolls up to the couch and goes, hey, check out this animated show.

[Paige]

We have fun here. We have fun here. So it's a K pop group cartoon that their job to save the world is they have to kill the demons by singing. Okay, this sounds their voices.

[Des]

You know what's gonna happen?

[Paige]

Help keep the demons out.

[Des]

I'm gonna have a G. Loves musical theater. And that's my cross to bear. And you want to know what? I will support him, and I will make sure I will be the biggest nepo mom. He won't even have to audition. I'll get him in that room.

[Paige]

Wait, so this is the thing. These songs are catchy as f ck.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So we start watching it to be like, let's make fun of this. Next thing you know, our heads start popping. Next thing you know, we're doing full outfall. So there's this song called Golden.

[Des]

Is that how they murder them? Like by their routine.

[Paige]

Well, they, they, they, they have to fight them sometimes. But, but it's actually funny because it's about like them staying famous too. So, like, something will happen. They got like canceled and they had to like get different press and then the. Not to give it away, but the demons decide they should create a boy group so that the fans go with the demons.

[Des]

Okay.

[Paige]

And honestly, I was locked in like we, we, we didn't say a word. Watched it for like an hour 20. And then he's like, like, then you have to go to bed. But this is really fun.

[Des]

Same time.

[Paige]

So let's just say our marriage is back alive. We're having fun.

[Des]

And sometimes it's as simple as that.

[Paige]

One of the songs is on the radio. I didn't realize it was from the show. So I start singing to it like. And he's like, you know the words. And I'm like, I'm just up on my pop culture. I know what song. I'll send it to you. It's really good. I'll put it in the newsletter.

[Des]

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[Paige]

One other question I saw people are skin cupping.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Am I going to give myself a hickey?

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

How do you.

[Des]

On their face or like they're doing like on their back on their face? No, it'll be fine. It's not. They're not as like intense as like the ones people do for like muscle. Muscle recovery.

[Paige]

Okay. Because I just feel like any mistake you can make on your face, I will.

[Des]

The suction cup thing, I feel like that's like been around like people doing it on their face.

[Paige]

It's like you think it's kind of bs.

[Des]

You know what I love is my medicube like device thing.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

That like vibrate like I think that honestly an ice roller is the best.

[Paige]

Is the best. I dermaplaned.

[Des]

Did you?

[Paige]

And I've never felt so shiny.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like I felt like a baby dolphin.

[Des]

Do you like it?

[Paige]

I don't know. My makeup artist for the Ryder cup was like loved it because it goes on easier. But also I was like, I kind of like a little fur to keep me warm.

[Des]

You don't really have like I've never looked at you and been like, you have Hair on your face.

[Paige]

You've also never looked at me.

[Des]

That's true. I only look three.

[Paige]

I've never really been on. Normally you see one thing, and you go, oh. And then you're like, back to me.

[Des]

My mom always makes a joke where she's like, don't let Paige look at you too long. She'll tell you what you have to fix. And I'm like, don't let me in the room.

[Paige]

But I love constructive criticism. You know that I'm very coachable.

[Des]

Yeah. Sorry if I don't tell you. Who's gonna tell you if I see my mom? And I'm like, hey, let's switch up this hairstyle or let's change these boots or something. Wait, I want someone to tell me.

[Paige]

I feel like mom's hairstyles are so important to them, and telling them to switch up a hairstyle is like, that's like. You have to sit them down. Like, that's like having an intervention. Especially some of these moms who've had the same one since 1982.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

My mom has dabbled with, like, she's done short.

[Des]

Yeah. My favorite was, like, one summer, she had a pixie cut.

[Paige]

Oh.

[Des]

And I was just like, when you.

[Paige]

Have a pixie, like, the day you have a pixie cut, I'm gonna be like, it's gonna be the greatest day of my life.

[Des]

I can't wait.

[Paige]

I could see a little side part with.

[Des]

I'm gonna have one at some point.

[Paige]

You're gonna.

[Des]

Sometime in, like. I feel like it's very. Like, I'm turning 44, so, like, I'm in a pixie cut.

[Paige]

I feel like if you have a pixie cut, it's gonna be iconic, and everyone's gonna do it where if I got it, it's a cry for help. Yours would not be a cry for help. Mine would be like, oh, she's. She's in our third marriage, and she's.

[Des]

I might have to do, like, a pixie cut wig first to, like, see how I like it and test it out. You.

[Paige]

You haven't been. Have you ever done wigs?

[Des]

I haven't dabbled in wigs the way I should.

[Paige]

I feel like you should.

[Des]

It's funny because Mitchell said, I'm going to Paris Fashion Week, and he was like, do you have any interest in doing a blonde wig for a look?

[Paige]

Yes.

[Des]

And I was like, are you gonna.

[Paige]

Bleach your eyebrows with it?

[Des]

I would probably have to, but I. It's, like, too intense for right now.

[Paige]

You guys this is too much admin.

[Des]

Yeah, it's way too you.

[Paige]

Promise me something. When you go to Paris, can you please, like, go consignment shopping? Yeah, I love, like, go thrifting.

[Des]

I'm bringing my mom. So there will be a day where we do like a full shopping day. I'm. I'm going to the Victoria Beckham show. And I'm like, when I got the invitation, I was just like, that's my girl. That's my best friend. Like, she was like, oh, let's invite my friend.

[Paige]

Let's not just not use a B word, but continue.

[Des]

Sorry, that's my friend.

[Paige]

That's your friend who you know you really well.

[Des]

Who. Yeah, yeah. And then she invited me to her. I was gonna say to her house. Then her team invited me.

[Paige]

You guys are watching Manifestation happen.

[Des]

Her team invited me before the show to get fitted for my outfit to wear, like, to the show. And I literally, like, rearrange my flight to be able to go to it. So I'm. I leave on Wednesday and then the show is on Friday.

[Paige]

What I love doing with the Gigglers because we started in reality TV and we weren't allowed to about any. Anything, how it was made, what was really happening, anything. So now that we're doing other stuff, I love being able to pull the curtain and like, actually tell the Gigglers what it's like. I didn't know what a fitting was. Like when people say they'd be like, I'm going to a fitting. And I'm like, what is. Like, you're just. If be like, this doesn't fit, like, but it's. Can you explain what a fitting is to people?

[Des]

A fitting is a stylist comes over and brings a bunch of looks and then you try all of them on and you pick an outfit for certain events. Events. So like, I'm doing a fitting tonight for all my Paris looks. And also like the stylist I work with, it's Sometimes I'm like, this is the best job ever. It's literally just my friend that I send different clothes to that I'm like, do you like this? It's just like a sounding board. And I'm like, do you know this person? Could we get.

[Paige]

But her full time job is telling you if she likes your outfit.

[Des]

Yes. And she facetimes me and she'll be like, yeah, it's okay.

[Paige]

Yeah, you know, and then you add Kim into the mix and then we're a company.

[Des]

Okay, well, here's the thing. When I do a fitting for anything. And I'm trying on outfits. Like, everyone at that fitting knows that the final decision will not be made until everyone goes home. And then I'll text a final decision of outfits, because once everyone leaves, I then have to call in the big guns, and I have to make sure she can speak freely.

[Paige]

And by big guns, I've never been a part of this final decision. I'm scared. I never even heard a rumor about this happening.

[Des]

I'll say, mom, I'm in a fitting right now. I'll call you after.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

And then I call her, and I show her all of the looks. And I've made the mistake before of having other people in that room for that phone call. People were offended.

[Paige]

If you guys have ever seen say yes to the Dress. That's what it is every day for Paige.

[Des]

Yeah. And there will be sometimes something I really like, and I'll be like, I really like this one. And she'll go, really? And that's when I'm like. And I'm taking it off immediately.

[Paige]

Yeah. I. I also think, like, with styling, when you're trying on clothes, like, they want you to like what they pick sometimes.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Or they might have a relationship with a brand that they want you to start working with. There's all these things going on that you're not aware of. So sometimes you will feel uncomfortable in it, but they'll be like, I'm obsessed, and you really have to get your own voice. Yeah. And then sometimes you'll do something that you're not, like, fully comfortable with, and then you post it online, and everyone's like, we hate this.

[Des]

And you're like, no, the stylist world is crazy. No. Like, when Rachel Zo had her show, and it was like, Brad Gretzky, and.

[Paige]

Like, I need to rewatch.

[Des]

That was, like, my first introduction to, like, what is a stylist? And what, I was like, eight, not ten. Whatever. There is a reality show in the stylist world because I feel like my stylist is not like, other ones. Like, I feel like she is my friend, and, like, we shop to get. Like, we look at things together, and we're like, what? And she knows my closet. Like, she'll be like, oh, you have. Have those shoes that would go good with this. And I'm like, yes, perfect.

[Paige]

But I always say, when you see a celeb just chilling at a basketball game. Yeah. She was like, there's so much that goes into her with those boots that, like, everyone's talking about.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Whether they're hating or loving? I do want to say, by the way, fittings for Paige and fittings for me are very different.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Fittings for Paige, she. This is what she's been born to do. Like, you've been doing it since you're what, like 6 years old?

[Des]

Any stylist that works with me knows I don't stay in a fitting longer than 45 minutes. One, because I'm very decisive. And two, I can change clothes so fast.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

That, like, I'm not keeping anyone. And I always ask, like, what celebrities, like, make you do really long fittings. And one of my stylists was like, one time I did a fitting with this one celebrity and she, she made me stay there for eight hours and I was like, at that point, move in.

[Paige]

But you know, it's funny. We're exactly the same. I've. I've like, broken records for fitting numbers.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, amount of time. Because I am very decisive too. But, like, I. I don't like fittings.

[Des]

No, me neither.

[Paige]

Like, you don't?

[Des]

No.

[Paige]

Okay. It's stressful. It's really stressful because you're basically put on an outfit and have everyone decide if you look like shit or not.

[Des]

Exactly.

[Paige]

And then sometimes you do look like shit, but. But you want to be able to pull it off and you can't.

[Des]

And then you're like a real Barbie.

[Paige]

And you also have to be so fucking honest with yourself. Like, you have to be like, you look bad in that.

[Des]

It's just looking at yourself in the mirror and being like, not today.

[Paige]

It's. It's actually emotional warfare. Like, you. You see a dress that's like expensive and a great brand, and they're like, you should wear it and you put it on and you're like, I look stupid.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And then you have to just accept that and move on.

[Des]

Yeah. And it's tough. Or the Internet will tell you that is humbling. You're like, really? That's the best you could come up with? You stupid bit? I'm like, oh, my God, it's so stressful. No, there will be times I'm in a video, I'm like, everyone's gonna hate this outfit.

[Paige]

I am in a little bit of a mood cuz I lost to Jared Freed yesterday in fancy football. Jared Freed's having, like an amazing season. He didn't have a good one last season.

[Des]

I literally heard through like seven different layers of communication that, like, I know for a fact that someone on your fantasy team got hurt.

[Paige]

Girl.

[Des]

Like, and I heard it I wasn't.

[Paige]

Gonna bring it up. These men are dropping like flies getting out on stretchers. My main guy, Malik Neighbors, and I'm doing live tv, by the way, and the Malik Neighbors has just. His whole knee fell off. And I go, awesome.

[Des]

No, literally, whole knee shattered. I wasn't even watching. I heard it through like. Like, TikTok. Instagram knows that no fantasy football is gladiator.

[Paige]

They throw him on the field, and you're like, please don't have a lion eat my guy. Oh, he ate him. God damn it. So anyway, I lost a jarred freed because Malik Neighbors twisted his name. Literally Sims.

[Des]

You're like, I hope my sim doesn't go there. No, my SIM is literally gonna get hurt.

[Paige]

It's also scary because this happened to everyone's team. Like, these guys are getting hurt every game.

[Des]

So in fantasy, someone gets.

[Paige]

Not even talking about their brain. Their brain's been mashed potato.

[Des]

So say someone gets hurt and it's like they're out for the season. How does that affect your team?

[Paige]

So now he was a high draft pick for me. I could have picked someone else. I picked him. So now he fucked me.

[Des]

Did you get to pick another person or. No.

[Paige]

He literally is being selfish. How dare you hurt yourself. So now I have to pick another guy and put him in his place. The drama. The drama is so much strong.

[Des]

So the men have fantasy football. They have the Ryder Cup.

[Paige]

I mean, they have a lot going on.

[Des]

They have a lot going on.

[Paige]

No wonder they're still. Playoffs are about to start.

[Des]

Oh, my God. How are they even going to go to work? How are they going to do it?

[Paige]

And then they watch the game, and then they listen to podcasts about other men giving their opinion about the game.

[Des]

A couple weeks ago, when I realized that ESPN was on all day long, I was shook to my head.

[Paige]

Well, that's my joke. I say, stop saying women talk all the time.

[Des]

I just.

[Paige]

Have you ever watched espn? They will just go.

[Des]

I thought they were.

[Paige]

They don't even have a format. They. They just go. And their favorite thing to do is they just say, like, a thing that can't be proven. They'll be like, lebron is the best of all time. It's an opinion. And then they argue it for hours.

[Des]

And why is no one talking about the certain suit choices that are being made on those broadcasts?

[Paige]

Someone didn't do a fitting.

[Des]

No. No one does a fitting.

[Paige]

No one does a fitting.

[Des]

I'm like, oh, what's going on here?

[Paige]

I do have to say, so Ralph Lauren, who's so iconic, was dressing us for the Ryder cup, and I was like, okay, obviously, I'm gonna look like the cutest. Marcelo and Colin go off. Like, Colin's wearing full suit, and Marcelo's dressing as Chichi Rodriguez. And I was like, this feels sexist. Let me have a moment.

[Des]

Let me have a second.

[Paige]

And Colin's dressed like full sports.

[Des]

They were, like, flat.

[Paige]

And also come in. They're getting glass glam.

[Des]

You know how I feel about men getting glam. It makes me uneasy and uncomfy.

[Paige]

Men getting glam creates monsters.

[Des]

No.

[Paige]

For a man to be like, hey, can you get. No.

[Des]

No. Men getting glam and thinking it's like, oh, I am, like, getting glam, so I must be doing something cool. What you're doing that's cool is finding a boyfriend. And I love that for you. And I hope you find him, because getting glam as a man, I just like, you don't need it.

[Paige]

Do you want to hear the funniest thing? So my glam was getting done at home at 3am and then I drive alone to the Ryder cup, and the glam wasn't coming with me because they can't come into the stands with me. Like, I would never put a woman in that place. Like, I was like, no. So DEZ came with me on Sunday, and he's, like, hanging out with the crew, and she gave me one. What's it called? For, like, a puff. Because I get oily. So I go up to dez, and I was like, come with us. Here's my puff. When I get shiny, your job is to puff me. So DEZ is following me with a puff. So before I go on, I go, dez. So then he starts leaning, like, puff immediately. So then he comes up, and then I realize it looks like I have a, like, flaming gay makeup artist. Wait, I don't. So DEZ starts going, oh, my God, you look so good. And he leans into it. Cause I've never had a straight guy do my makeup. Makeup ever. This isn't a stereotype. This is a fact.

[Des]

I don't think they can.

[Paige]

I have seen straight hairdressers. I have had a straight hairdresser before. They do it. Like, male chefs. Like, you know male chefs. They don't. They'll be like. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, they'll be like.

[Des]

They only come out when, like, the solstice is right.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Des]

Like, I.

[Paige]

But they're about it. They're like, I'm straightening. Like, oh, straight. Like, they're very, like, that so does. Literally, as he's doing it, I'm like, people. Because, like, let's be honest, DEZ is also, like, beautiful.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, he looks like Anderson Cooper. Yeah.

[Des]

Yeah.

[Paige]

In a way. And I was like, he's my full. He's my gay makeup artist for the day. And honestly, role play is fun.

[Des]

Sometimes it's so funny.

[Paige]

He's like, leaning into it, but he was so funny.

[Des]

I like full relationships where I'm like, let's pretend this is different.

[Paige]

I also think I'm like, what's the farthest from reality?

[Des]

Anything to take me out of my current reality. Let's do this.

[Paige]

That you. How do we flip this on its head? But he. It's funny too, because I feel like men don't notice little details. Like me explaining to him, like, some parts of my face will get shiny, like my chin. And right in between my brows.

[Des]

Your T zone.

[Paige]

He was looking at me in ways he'd never looked at me before. Like, he was like, notice. Like, he was like, oh.

[Des]

He was like, wait, you have a nose? I was like, he was like, wait, you're human.

[Paige]

My husband saw me for the first time. He saw me for the first time.

[Des]

So wait, is it just so relaxing, like, being married to someone where, like, you know, he's like, nearby rooting for you, like, while you're doing your work? That's so nice.

[Paige]

Well, at one point, like, he was filming me with. And he was like, I mean, obviously the video was bad because he's straight, but I was like, I couldn't do.

[Des]

Anything with the video.

[Paige]

Yeah. And I was like, can you send it to me? And he's like, it actually was. It was. I. It was blurry.

[Des]

And honestly, that's how I feel. Josephine, sometimes she'll send pictures of me to my mom, like, unsolicited. And I'm like, you care about me.

[Paige]

Like, no. It's so cute. Speaking of men, I also was thinking, like, if I were to start a business one day, I was like, okay, obviously it would be cat food. But if I didn't do cat food, like, I want to do something that, like, there's like a meaning behind it. Like, it helps people or something. But then I realized, what if the business is taking advantage of men? So, like, what if I started, like an anti aging business? Because I feel like we're not fear mongering the men enough. Like, we are also scared. What if we literally, like, like, Chris, he's gonna turn 30 eventually. And I'm like, men, if you start wearing wrinkles.

[Des]

Leo DiCaprio. Chris, you're Jewel. We like better when you were 27.

[Paige]

Like little cute male podcast hosts. Is that a gray on the side of your ears? So like there's. Or like male. Like men should have like a bronzer. Like, what if we made them be like, you're pale? Because, like, you can't be walking around without like a little bit of color. We have to like, you have to make them scared. Be like Jude Law.

[Des]

Jude Laws out here.

[Paige]

Like, I know.

[Des]

Running amok for the men.

[Paige]

It's just the marketing wrong. The men are not being marketed to.

[Des]

You need to be scared more.

[Paige]

They need to be scared more. So what if we were like, this 200 serum will make you look like you'll hit George Clooney and then you stay there. Yeah. You know, or like, like, and I'll make DEZ the face of it and I'll be like, this man's 102 cuz he makes his $300 serum and the girls just push it on their boyfriends, make them pay.

[Des]

I think think this is illegal.

[Paige]

I think this is just women's skincare. Yeah, no, I'm just copying.

[Des]

I'm just copying how it is.

[Paige]

I'm just copying how it's made. Thank you guys so much for giggling with us. Thank you, Duncan, for supporting the episode. We love our refreshers, by the way. The gigglers have been tagging me in their Duncan refreshers and a couple girls are drinking like exactly what I told them to drink because we got any the order which is mango pineapple refresher, less concentrate and green tea. So tag me if you keep ordering.

[Des]

It and I just get my blueberry breeze lemonade.

[Paige]

You love your bb.

[Des]

I love it.

[Paige]

You love your bbl. Thank you guys for gigging with us. We'll talk to you later. Bye.

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