Giggling about man buns, monsters, and diss tracks

Summary

Podcast Summary: Giggly Squad

Episode: Giggling about man buns, monsters, and diss tracks

Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Date: October 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and comedic episode, Hannah and Paige catch up on travels, dissect fashion and pop culture moments, debate the return of cigarettes, discuss the latest in music "diss tracks," and take detours into true crime and childhood quirks. They share stories of Parisian adventures, reflect on personal growth, and explore how women interact in competitive industries. The episode is a quintessential Giggly Squad mix of playful banter, sharp observations, and self-deprecating humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Paris Fashion Week & Mother-Daughter Bonding

• Paige’s Paris Trip: Paige describes traveling to Paris Fashion Week with her mom, comparing previous trips ruined by ex-boyfriends to this positive experience.
  • “Some of the worst times I’ve ever had [in Paris]—but if someone’s going to ruin Paris, it’s a man” (02:14, Paige)
• Highlight Moments:
  • Air-kissing the fashion elite and celeb sightings: Eva Longoria, Olivia Munn, Sofia Vergara, Anna Wintour, and the Beckhams.
  • Enjoying Parisian food: croissants, beef Wellington, and the unforgettable creme brulee.
  • The magic of glamming with her mom and heartfelt nighttime routines.
  • Comparing Paris vs. New York: Paris has an “everyday chic” that shames NYC for its lack of ambiance.
• Fashion & Celebrity Observations:
  • Paige marvels at stylish Parisian women and the undeniable allure of French men—even forgiving man buns.
  • “In America, if you approach me with a man bun, truly see yourself out. In France, I’m with it.” (14:09, Paige)

European Culture Shock & McDonald’s in Paris

• Parisian streets, architecture—even dentist offices—are picturesque.
• McDonald’s in Paris: “Phenomenal,” but too much bacon on everything (20:30–20:40, Paige).
• French obsession with chain-smoking: “Chain smoking. I’ve never seen… streets don’t make any sense.” (21:04, Paige)

Smoking’s Comeback & Public Responsibility

• Cigarettes’ trend resurgence among influencers and pop stars (Charlie XCX cited).
• “People forget history. You smoke cigarettes, you die, and you will get an STD.” (21:42, Hannah)
• Paige draws a line between private indulgence and public promotion, mindful of young followers (22:01–22:38).

Pop Culture Drama: Diss Tracks & Female Artists

• Is Taylor Swift’s new song a diss track for Charli XCX? The hosts debate:
  • Hannah prefers diss tracks as “art over tweet fighting” (23:33).
  • Both critique the effect of public feuding among female artists, considering the broader cultural implications.
  • “No one tries to copy you more or be you more than the girl that hates you.” (25:52, Paige)
• Cardi B and Nicki Minaj’s beef: hosts wish diss tracks were only a male tradition, humorously noting the “adorable poetry” of rap beefs (24:11–24:19).

True Crime Deep Dive: Netflix’s ‘Monster’ & Ed Gein

• Both start watching the new Ed Gein season, discussing true crime’s morbid appeal and separating empathy for mental illness from excuse for violence.
  • The impact of Gein’s upbringing, mental health, and how he inspired characters from “Psycho” to “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” (45:07–46:57).
• Banter about serial killers by state and how names impact criminal “brand recognition.”
  • “Ed Gein doesn’t roll off the tongue. It didn’t—he didn’t get credit.” (49:57, Hannah)

Reflections on Womanhood, Careers, and Karma

• Hardships for women in male-dominated fields, especially stand-up.
  • “Every single boyfriend I’ve had… after I broke up with them somehow tried to f*** me over or exile me from something.” (37:11, Paige)
• Power of karma over revenge: “I believe in karma more than revenge.” (37:46, Paige)
• Flipping career roadblocks into motivation and embracing personal growth.
  • “They threw dirt on my name and flowers grew.” (38:53, Hannah)

Personal Quirks: Childhood, Cleanliness, and Coffee Anxiety

• Paige and Hannah contrast their mental wiring:
  • Paige is highly organized, zero-tabs-open person; Hannah’s desktop chaos is “organized mess.”
  • A debate over if one’s room (or computer) reflects one’s mind.
    • “Your bedroom is a reflection of the inside of your mind.” (52:08, Paige)
  • Caffeine tolerance: Paige is immune, Hannah is ramped up.
  • Childhood bedtime routines, waking up, and getting in trouble at school.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Paris Men vs. US Men:
  “In America, if you approach me with a man bun, truly see yourself out. In France, I’m with it.” —Paige (14:09)

• On Smoking Trend:
  “People forget history. If you smoke cigarettes, you die and you will get an STD.” —Hannah (21:42)

• On Diss Tracks Among Women:
  “No one tries to copy you more or be you more than the girl that hates you.” —Paige (25:52)
  “I like diss tracks for men because it’s basically just poems that they’re doing for each other. And that’s like, adorable.” —Hannah & Paige (24:11–24:19)

• On Personal Growth and Karma:
  “I believe in karma more than revenge.” —Paige (37:46)
  “They threw dirt on my name and flowers grew.” —Hannah (38:53)

• On Anxiety & Cleanliness:
  “Your bedroom is a reflection of the inside of your mind.” —Paige (52:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Paris Trip & Parisian Chic: 01:52–08:57
• Fashion Week & Celebrity Sightings: 12:09–15:14
• Mother-Daughter Reflections: 05:14–06:14
• Food Talk (Paris vs. NY): 04:31–05:14, 20:28–20:52
• Smoking/Cigarettes Trend: 21:08–22:38
• Diss Tracks & Pop Star Beef: 23:06–28:07
• True Crime: Ed Gein: 45:07–50:19
• Women Navigating Male-Dominated Spaces: 35:36–39:08
• Personal Organization & Mental Health: 50:32–52:54
• Caffeine, Childhood, and Family Routines: 53:06–57:46

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Episode Vibe

Sarah and Paige’s banter is lively, unfiltered, and rapid-fire. The episode mixes heartfelt moments with unfiltered observations and jokes, creating an atmosphere of safe confession and shared giggles. Even when the topics get weighty, the overall tone remains light, irreverent, and deeply personal—true “can’t be managed” Giggly Squad energy.

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For New Listeners

This episode is an excellent snapshot of Hannah and Paige’s chemistry: sharp pop-culture takes, relatable life reflections, and effortless back-and-forth. Whether you’re a fan of fashion, reality TV, girl talk, or true crime, there’s a moment here for you.

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Next Up: Paige promotes her Jimmy Fallon appearance and Daphne Fall collection drop; Hannah shouts out her tour stops—including a nod to Ed Gein’s home state, Wisconsin.

Transcript

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[Hannah]

We can't be managed.

[Paige Desorbo]

I mean, the day just got away from me.

[Hannah]

What's up? My Galliano Gigglers was. Did I just see a TikTok of.

[Paige Desorbo]

It two seconds prior? Who's Galliano?

[Hannah]

Wait, Galliano? Is he. Was he a painter? No, that's Michelangelo. Okay, can we get into it? Because I've been. I hung out with Paige all morning, and we weren't podcasting, and she's like, do not ask me about anything. And I'm like, don't ask me about anything. She's like, I wasn't going to talk.

[Paige Desorbo]

We literally couldn't speak to each other.

[Hannah]

We had to just make weird eye contact. But now I want to ask, how was Paris? Because you previously, you'd been. But you, like, it was quick. You cried in a hotel or something.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'd only gone to Paris twice before, and with two different boyfriends. Whore. And honestly, some of the worst times I've ever had.

[Hannah]

But if someone's going to ruin Paris, it's a man.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, it's a man. I know that I cried both times I was there. Here's the bright side of that. I don't remember. Remember why. And so that I feel like that's on growth.

[Hannah]

That's a win.

[Paige Desorbo]

But also, like, so chic to cry in Paris. I will say Paris is the only City that I can go to that genuinely makes me pissed off at New York City. Any other city that I go to, I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, I love living in New York. Thank God I live in New York. Paris. I'm like, new York City should be ashamed of themselves. Like, ashamed.

[Hannah]

Explain.

[Paige Desorbo]

Everything is so vibey. They have restaurants that have been around, like, literally. Me and my glam, Mitchell, Taylor, Josephine, and my mom went out to dinner.

[Hannah]

You know, you. You want Full Housewives with the glam.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I'm different. I went to Paris. Fashion Week treat me differently. So we're out to dinner one night, and Taylor's, like, ordering dessert. And she was like. As a waitress, she's like, how's the souffle? And the souffle. The waitress was like, well, the souffle has been on the menu since 1492. So I'd say pretty good. We were like, okay.

[Hannah]

It stood the test of time. Funniest part from my end of you being in Paris was there was a moment where Paige is going to Paris. I was going to Pittsburgh.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Which is, some would say, the Florence of the Midwest.

[Paige Desorbo]

Some would say.

[Hannah]

Some would say. And we had to jump on a zoom, which was. I am so sorry. You had to jump on a zoom while you were in Paris.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, I didn't mind at all.

[Hannah]

But, you guys, she doesn't sleep. She works, works, works, works, works. And she gets there, and there's a moment on the zoom where I don't know what the angle or the lighting was, but our hotel rooms, for a split second, looked very similar. And when I.

[Paige Desorbo]

Exact same.

[Hannah]

They were not similar hotel rooms by any means. But in that moment, I was like, we look like we could be in the same place. But no, I was in Pittsburgh. Shout out to Pittsburgh. Incredible. Incredible time. Incredible time. Greatest city. I did nap there. Wait, so. But then what about the food? What did you eat? Like, did you have a croissant?

[Paige Desorbo]

Of course. I had so many croissants. And what was the best food thing that I ate? Oh, I had. Have you ever had beef Wellington?

[Hannah]

Oh, I thought that was British. It sounds British.

[Paige Desorbo]

It does sound British. Is it British?

[Hannah]

I don't know. Is it beef with, like, crust on it?

[Paige Desorbo]

It's beef that's wrapped in, like, a puff pastry.

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. I got it right.

[Paige Desorbo]

It was so good. I, like, literally almost teared up. And then I had a creme. I had a creme brulee that I've never. I mean, it was like, no creme brulee. I've ever had.

[Hannah]

Well, now you can't. Like, this is the problem with going to Paris now. You'll never enjoy creme brulee in America again. And that's never. That's like, the fight you have to fight.

[Paige Desorbo]

It was my mom's first time in Paris. So Saturday night we went to this restaurant that, like, it was, like, this Japanese. Really. It was so vibey inside. And you had, like, a direct view of the Eiffel Tower was, like, right out the window. So it was like. It was just. So. It was the best. There's something about going on a trip with your mom, just the two of you in your 30s. Like, I. I really highly recommend even just, like, one night, even if you just did, like, a staycation in a hotel with your mom.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's very emotional because there's a moment where you're like, like, okay, the first night, we were getting ready for bed, and, like, I put my face mask on to sleep, and. And then she put, like, eye patches on to sleep, and then she, like, taped her forehead, and I was like, oh, my God, I didn't know you do this stuff before bed. And she was like. Looked at me like, basically, yeah, I'm still a girl.

[Hannah]

Like, what? Like, also, she's like, you're the replica. I'm the original bae.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's like, I'm the blueprint. Okay. Like, how do you think you got this way?

[Hannah]

That's so funny, though, because Lenore, before bed is. She's reading a book. She's like, you know, washing her face. Double cleansing.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's winding down.

[Hannah]

She's winding down. She puts lotion on her hands. Like, she's one of the. Like, I feel like all moms do that. And I'm just, you know, scrolling, sending memes to people.

[Paige Desorbo]

Throw me a makeup wipe.

[Hannah]

No. Then I run out of it, and then I'm, like, fighting the towel, and then it's black everywhere. Some eyeliners do not get off easily. But anyway, back to my questioning about Paris.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Can we acknowledge this moment of you were rubbing shoulders or rubbing tiny elbows?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, I was air kissing.

[Hannah]

Air kissing with the fashion elite. Now, I know you've done stuff with fashion in New York, but Paris Fashion Week has a je ne sais quoi. Can you explain?

[Paige Desorbo]

It's a totally different vibe.

[Hannah]

Like, what was the vibe?

[Paige Desorbo]

There's something just so much fancier about Paris. Like, even walking down the streets. Like, the older women in Paris, like, I know it was Fashion Week, but this was just, like, their Everyday they're different. Like this. There was this like older woman, she was walking by me and she had just this full like poofy polka dotted skirt on and like a denim jacket. And I was just like, oh my God, you're so Paris. And she was just like on the phone like talking French like, but that was just like her outfit for the day.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And they'll just be like holding baguettes sometimes, right?

[Paige Desorbo]

You see there's baguette, there's. They're holding baguettes. They have like croissant like laws. I feel like, like there's certain croissants that are made with margarine and there's certain croissants that are made with butter and like they take it seriously.

[Hannah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like getting oat milk or like regular milk. Wrong in your order. Your days ruined.

[Paige Desorbo]

They still don't know what iced coffee is. But I don't judge them for that. Like, you know, I pick my battles. But I just, it really being there really made me angry at New York City. Like New York City has truly lost the plot in a lot of ways. And I just like, even a building in Paris that should be like a janky building that's like whatever is still like gorgeous.

[Hannah]

Mm, no. Well, Paris is chic. Everywhere you look there's just like, it's tasteful.

[Paige Desorbo]

There was a building and I was like, oh my God, let me take like pictures in front of this. And then I was like, what is this building? They're like, it's a doctor's office.

[Hannah]

Like, like, we don't know. You're like, wait, cute. I need to show you.

[Paige Desorbo]

This is gorgeous. They're like, this is a dentist.

[Hannah]

Well, I, I went to Italy once when I was 14 to play a tennis tournament and I didn't really see anything. And then, I mean, anyway, then I've been to Ireland a couple times, which I'm obsessed with. But like Paris is like my, the only European city I've like been to. And I like, did you do any vintage shopping?

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, so Sunday, I know you were.

[Hannah]

Very busy at ysl.

[Paige Desorbo]

Sunday, my mom woke me up at like the crack of dawn because she wanted to go to church at Notre Dame. And like I got, I get it. Like, she wanted to see it. She's very catholic, she's very religious. Like as I'm like so angry inside because I'm like, it's 7:00am and so like as we're walking in, I look at her and I'm like, wait, you're not even gonna understand this. You don't speak French. Like, why are we here? She's like, it's for the ambiance, for the vibes. And, like, we could have just, like, walked in and seen it. And then we walk out, and I'm like, okay. Like, did you love it? And she looked at me, and she was like, honest. St. Patrick's Cathedral, I think, is, like, more impressive. I was like, oh, my God, no.

[Hannah]

When moms guilt tribute wake up early because they want to do something.

[Paige Desorbo]

And, like, Notre Dame had had, like, a fire.

[Hannah]

Oh, yeah. It's still, like, under construction, right?

[Paige Desorbo]

And so. And I know that, like, one of the things my mom loves to do is, like, light a candle for someone. Like, go into any church and, like, light a candle. And I was like, oh. Like, do they have candles here? And she looked at me, and she was like, they had a fire. No, they don't. Like, as if I had offended. I was like, okay, sorry.

[Hannah]

When I went to Paris with my mom. What's, like, the big triangle thing?

[Paige Desorbo]

The Louvre.

[Hannah]

Yeah, the Louvre. Yeah. So, by the way, I did download Duolingo and practice French for a day, but the Louvre, there was, like, this crazy line, and, like, all she wanted to do is go to the Louvre. And I looked at her. I was like, mom, let's go to a nice restaurant.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Talk on me.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And we. And let's just take some photos outside the Louvre. Let's do the little, like, my finger on the top of it. And she was like, 100. And I was like, oh, thank God. Because that would have been, like, six hours. And then apparently, when you go in, the art is, like, really small. It's like meeting a celebrity when you, like, you're like, why are you so small?

[Paige Desorbo]

You're like, why does your Wikipedia say six foot? Because, baby, no.

[Hannah]

Okay, where's the body?

[Paige Desorbo]

Kim did make me go to a museum, and then we went to lunch, and then we were gonna go vintage shopping because I had, like, a list of places I want to go, but I got too caught up in the here and now stores, you know? And so I had, like, allotted. Yeah, I hadn't allotted my time correctly.

[Hannah]

That's when Des and I got into a fight, because when we were in Paris, I was like, I'm gonna go shopping. And I was like, we need to go to, like, these designer stores. And he goes, first of all, you live next to soho.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

You can go to any of these fucking stores. And I was like, no, it's a different Vibe.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I really feel like they get different stuff.

[Hannah]

But then also, I didn't have the balls to buy anything because I'm cheap. So he kept being like, why are you going and pretending to buy something again? And then I finally called you and you, like, told me to buy something. Wait, how was Vic?

[Paige Desorbo]

Vicky, Victoria was a freaking dream.

[Hannah]

And you know, her documentary is coming out Thursday. It's iconic because she was, like, featured in her husband's documentary and I think it, like, went kind of well. And then she was like, and now I'm gonna do a real documentary about my side of the story. Okay. Because she's iconic, she's also hilarious. And people don't realize that. I don't think people realize.

[Paige Desorbo]

Extremely funny. Extremely. Yeah. Because she has that, like, British, dry sense of humor. They're just like, naturally funny. I will say I was sitting at the show and I watched all of her family members walk in. Sorry. There was a moment where I was looking at her one young son and I was just like, oh, actually this is pedophilia. I can't look at him. This is like, inappropriate.

[Hannah]

How old is he?

[Paige Desorbo]

I think he's like 19, maybe 20.

[Hannah]

Wait, so the kids are like, beautiful.

[Paige Desorbo]

Gorgeous. I mean, beautiful. I mean, they're just like a great looking family.

[Hannah]

Was David there?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, of course.

[Hannah]

What do you think about.

[Paige Desorbo]

He's a supportive king.

[Hannah]

Yeah. What do you think about Zaddy David?

[Paige Desorbo]

I mean, he's so hot. I it. They're just such a good looking couple and you can tell that he, like, supports her so much. And okay, here's the celebrities that I saw that were there. Eva Longoria, Olivia Munn, Sofia Vergara, Anna Wintour. And that's just who I saw.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

But also, like, it was so chic when you pulled. First of all, it was raining, which, like, I was excited for because I'm like, oh, Paris in the rain. Soon you pulled up, there was all these, like, beautiful men kissing randomly. Here's the other. Yeah, here's the other thing. French men are so hot.

[Hannah]

And they're also, I like, a grumpy man. So, like, pissed off French men is the energy.

[Paige Desorbo]

I like in America, if you approach me with a man bun, truly see yourself out.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

In France, I'm with it. I'm here for it. But it's your fault.

[Hannah]

Speaking French is just for women.

[Paige Desorbo]

Absolutely.

[Hannah]

So, like, I don't like the. When they start.

[Paige Desorbo]

Don't talk to me.

[Hannah]

When you don't talk.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, don't talk. Okay. So you get out of the car. And there's like all these beautiful men holding umbrellas to, like, escort you in. And then you, like, walk through this, like, little, like, outdoor. You, like, go through these gates. Then it's like outdoor until you get to the building. And I'm like, what is this building? I think it was like an old. It's like a government building or something. Or it was like an old doctor's office, I guess. Literally, it was like an old hospital. And I was like, it's stunning. Like, every building there is just the prettiest building you've ever seen in your life. Here's the other thing, though. I love being Italian. So, like, I really enjoyed it. But I love being Italian and I love my people and I love Italy more.

[Hannah]

And that was for the UN if they're listening.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. Because there's just a realness in it in Italy. I feel like that there isn't other places.

[Hannah]

I also do think that, like, if we have to leave America, well, we. Sicily. Sicily could be good. Like, by the water.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm gonna try and get my Italian passport. It's really important to me.

[Hannah]

A cannoli by the water. Well, I knew when I was in Pittsburgh, by the way. Beautiful, like, incredible.

[Paige Desorbo]

British, stunning. The architecture.

[Hannah]

But I. Uber in these other cities is such an adventure. When you get in an Uber, if it is a white man, he will talk to you about how he lost his kids, but he is going to see them on the weekend. But dating is really difficult because it's the same three women in his area. And I was invested. I was like, well, what are we gonna do about it, Steve? Yeah, what are we gonna do? And have you been going to court ordered therapy? And then I ordered Uber Eats and the courier, it was like, definitely taking a long time. But I was like, no rush, it's fine. And I check it. This man was walking how many.

[Paige Desorbo]

How many miles?

[Hannah]

A lot of miles. At that point, I was like, babe, no bike. No bike. Just walk. I didn't know couriers could just walk. I thought you had to have a bike.

[Paige Desorbo]

I thought illegal.

[Hannah]

Not even. Not even roller skates?

[Paige Desorbo]

Maybe put some pep in your step and do a light.

[Hannah]

Not even a light. Jog.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, that's diabolical.

[Hannah]

I could have picked it up.

[Paige Desorbo]

If you were gonna walk, how long did it take?

[Hannah]

I mean, it probably took like an hour total. But this guy, I felt bad, but maybe he was just getting his steps in.

[Paige Desorbo]

Honestly, he definitely got 10,000 steps. You're walking for an hour. That's 10,000. Hannah. And I have never been to Italy together and we've decided we need to make it happen. We're thinking about going to the Amalfi coast and instead of booking a hotel, we want to book a place on Airbnb. The places we're looking at is this charming little cottage with beautiful views of the coast, but also just steps away from shops and restaurants. Of course, it's a guest favorite, which means it's one of the most loved homes on Airbnb. It also has a balcony overlooking the water, which is perfect for slow mornings. There's space to hang out and recap our days, and it will give us a place to actually be together. Hotels never really give you that. You're either sitting on your bed in one room or the other or you have to be in the lobby. It just doesn't make sense. But here it would feel like home. We can spread out, have privacy when we want it, and still share all the fun moments that make a trip so memorable. Honestly, it's the kind of place that makes a trip feel like more than just a getaway, and it makes it feel like you belong there. It's that time of year where it's really cold in the morning, hot in the middle of the day and then cold again at night and you need layers that last. Quince is my go to for quality essentials that feel cozy, look refined and won't blow your budget. I'm talking $50 Mongolian cashmere, premium denim that fits like a dream, and luxe outerwear. Because Quince partners directly with top tier ethical factories and cuts out the middleman, they deliver luxury quality pieces at half the price of similar brands. It's the kind of wardrobe upgrade that feels smart, stylish and effortless. I love all of their cashmere pieces. I have so many different sweaters and so many different colors that are perfect for not only the fall, but great for transitional from the winter to the spring and sometimes even in the summer, I throw them over my shoulders. Find your fall [e-mail] Go to quince.com giggly for free shipping on your order and 36065 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com giggly to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com giggly this episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Better Help. Therapists have helped over 5 million people worldwide on their mental health journey and October 10th is World Mental Health Day. And this year we're saying thank you to therapists. BetterHelp has quality therapists and work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in the US BetterHelp does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goal. And with over 30,000 therapists having served over 5 million people globally. So for this World Mental Health Day, we're celebrating the therapists who've helped millions of people take a step forward. If you're ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com gigglysquad that's BetterHelp h-e lp.com gigglysquad.

[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

How was it?

[Paige Desorbo]

Phenomenal. Here's the thing, though. One thing I noticed in Paris, they're obsessed with bacon. Like, they put bacon on, like, all their salad. I'm like, guys, I don't need it on my cheeseburger.

[Hannah]

Well, hot take. I love the breakfast. And then it can be like hit or miss.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, everything there is really heavy.

[Hannah]

Yeah, they love frites.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, you can't go. Like, you couldn't go to Paris for more than four days and eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You'd feel you'd have to check yourself into the hospital.

[Hannah]

Well, that's why they're. They're all just chain smoking cigarettes.

[Paige Desorbo]

Chain smoking. I've never seen. Here's the other thing. The streets don't make any sense. I don't know how they drive there. Like, once I think it's a one way and then it's not.

[Hannah]

It's.

[Paige Desorbo]

It doesn't make any sense to me.

[Hannah]

That's how normal streets feel for me. But continue.

[Paige Desorbo]

Everyone's smoking cigarettes in their car, which I'm like, oh, interesting.

[Hannah]

No, it's not chic. And I need pop stars to stop with the cigarettes. I'm gonna be that mom.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, why cigarettes are making like such.

[Hannah]

No, they're making comeback.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's Booktube on Instagram.

[Hannah]

And can I say something?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

People forget history. Yeah, people forget history. And now we're just starting over with people forgetting that cigarettes kill people. If you smoke cigarettes, you die and you will get an std.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't know why that's becoming, like, such a trend. And like, even girls like, putting it in their Instagram.

[Hannah]

I know. And it's like the cool girls too.

[Paige Desorbo]

Here's the thing. In Europe, I'm not. I. I like to have a good time. I'm not a prude. If someone offers me a skinny cig in Paris after I just had like a couple cocktails, I'm gonna smoke it. But I'm not gonna promote smoking it on my Instagram. Well, I certainly. Look, some of my friends will like, post and I'm like, okay, who cares? But I feel like I'm not gonna promote that because we have like 16 year old girls that follow us. But I'm just very surprised that it. It's become so much more common than it used to be.

[Hannah]

Do you think big tobacco has a deal with Charlie xcx?

[Paige Desorbo]

I think big tobacco is really beefing with, like, vaping. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, well, big tobacco.

[Hannah]

I wonder if some of these influences are sponsored by big tobacco, because some of them, I'm like, this is a cigarette ad.

[Paige Desorbo]

Charlie XCX smoking a cigarette. She's European. I don't. I'm not mad at her about that. Since you brought up Charlie xcx, okay.

[Hannah]

This episode is like pure, pure intense drama. Let's bring.

[Paige Desorbo]

This is a stream of consciousness.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do you think that Taylor Swift was making a diss track to Charlie xcx?

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. Great, great, great, great, great.

[Paige Desorbo]

And what do you think of diss tracks in general? Since Cardi B and Nicki Minaj are diss tracking back and forth?

[Hannah]

Is it diss tracking or they're just tweeting?

[Paige Desorbo]

I think they're doing a little bit of both.

[Hannah]

A little bit of both. Okay. I, I love. I think a diss track is fun. I prefer it to, like, tweet fighting. I think. I think that this track at least gets some art out of it.

[Paige Desorbo]

I liked when it was just the men doing like rap diss tracks because I'm like, that's so them. I'm actually upset that it's like, yeah, gone over into the girls. Because I almost felt like, wow, women are like, so above that. Like, they don't put out diss tracks. And now I feel like this is what. I think it's gonna become more of a thing.

[Hannah]

I like diss tracks for men because it's basically just poems that they're doing.

[Paige Desorbo]

And that they're writing for each other.

[Hannah]

That they're writing for each other. And that's like, adorable.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's adorable.

[Hannah]

And they're like, this rhymes and it was kind of mean. And everyone's like, oh, but you're right, I don't like the women doing it to each other. It's my same. This is my rule with reality tv. If you're gonna fight, fight with the men. If you're gonna get in a blowout fight, do it towards a man. I want a diss track towards the men. I hope. But if the girls sometimes like, they're like, it's good marketing for both of them and maybe that's good to support women in the arts. True.

[Paige Desorbo]

Here's the thing I don't like about Nikki and Cardi beefing. I know they're bringing their children into it and I'm like, oh, they're gonna see that one day. And it's like, I don't like that.

[Hannah]

Well, also, cuz Cardi and Nikki are two of the greatest rappers who ever lived. And like, I could never pick. We don't have to choose one.

[Paige Desorbo]

I can never.

[Hannah]

Yeah, it just, it's like we want enough room for all the women. We. And again. And then the Taylor and the Taylor and Charlie xcx, all the girls are fighting. We're all like fighting for a spot. And it's like, this is why men, the patriarchy still exists because we're trying to take each other down and Gwen Stefani is fighting bread like Gwen Stefani.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, who's Gwen Stefani fighting?

[Hannah]

Say Gwyneth Paltrow is fighting bread.

[Paige Desorbo]

Fighting who?

[Hannah]

Bread.

[Paige Desorbo]

Actually, no, I think when Gwyneth Paltrow came out and said that, she was.

[Hannah]

Like eating bread again.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Oh. So if Gwyneth Paltrow squashed her beef with bread, we can stop fighting other women.

[Paige Desorbo]

Also with the Taylor Charlie stuff, do.

[Hannah]

You think it's a diss track?

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't know enough of the lore between them to make a conscious decision on it. Here's the one thing I'll say about Taylor Swift, if it is she kind of ate with the fact that like, yeah, nobody loves you more than the girl that absolutely fucking hates you. Like, no one, no one tries to copy you more or be you more than the girl that hates you. But that is so true. So, like, I act and I feel like girls can like, resonate with.

[Hannah]

And I do think the song, like, people are resonating with it. It's not like so specific, like where.

[Paige Desorbo]

They'Re like, hey, at Cardi B, you stupid bitch. Like, right.

[Hannah]

It was kind of a general thing, but the, the cocaine mention I think was like.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I would argue that I give More credit to Nikki and Cardi because they're like, no, I hate you.

[Hannah]

Where.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, if Taylor is talking about it, I kind of wish she would have.

[Hannah]

Said it with her chest.

[Paige Desorbo]

Said it with her chest. Now, this is coming from someone who didn't listen to the album.

[Hannah]

Wait, I'm in deep with the album. Like, I heard so many. Babe.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, you've listened to every song?

[Hannah]

Well, I've been flying on planes all weekend. It's like.

[Paige Desorbo]

And you, like, don't believe in entertainment on flights?

[Hannah]

No. So it's just me and my Delta headphones listening to Taylor Swift. I have so many thoughts, and I'm a fan.

[Paige Desorbo]

And look, I like Charli xcx. I like Taylor Swift. And I do, like, I think the people, like, coming on the Internet and making, like, dissertations on how it's the worst album ever, like, get a hobby. But also the people that are, like, going on the Internet and crying about how it's the best thing they've ever heard also get a hobby. So, like, I'm kind of, like, in the middle.

[Hannah]

That's a valid point. Extremists. Extremism is bad.

[Paige Desorbo]

Extremism is not. For me.

[Hannah]

Extremism is bad.

[Paige Desorbo]

I can like songs and whatever.

[Hannah]

I do have to say, this is something like her 12th album, and she's only 35 and iconic. I. I love that, like, someone's putting out art and, like, I would imagine she puts this out and then decides because of the blowback because some people didn't like it. I'm like, she doesn't have to put out an album.

[Paige Desorbo]

Also, it's art. Like, you don't have to like it. And her still make a billion dollars.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like, it's like, she didn't have to put herself up for all this criticism, and she did. So I'm, like, grateful that, like, she's doing that.

[Paige Desorbo]

The only thing I'll say is I am still shocked that she announced her. I still haven't gotten over it that she announced her album on a male sports podcast like, that. I still can't believe she did. I just feel like that's so not her.

[Hannah]

I think she's, like, madly and is in, like, so clocked into this. The. The pot actually made me laugh. Like, she's funny, and she is funny. She's funny and very smart. And then she. But there was this one story she said that I just have to raise awareness about. She said when she sold her masters, she went to go find Travis, who was playing video games. We don't talk about that enough.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, people aren't talking about that enough.

[Hannah]

When they're not playing the sport, they play pretend sports against each other. And you know, this man has a headset and wait, he's 36.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do you know that I've never dated a guy who was really ever into video games?

[Hannah]

It's act so. Actually, I've never either, but I have friends who have, like, Andy Murray, who's one of the best tennis players ever lived. His wife almost divorced him because he was so addicted to video games. Like, you know how it's annoying when, like, your man's on his phone, by the way, when I'm on my phone, I'm doing research, but when he is, you're like, hello, I'm telling you a story that you probably heard before.

[Paige Desorbo]

This might be like my own internal thing, but I'm never mad when I'm being left alone.

[Hannah]

Sorry.

[Paige Desorbo]

I actually can't relate because, like, I can occupy myself.

[Hannah]

It's more like when I have a thought that I want to say, it's more being ignored. Yeah. For him to finish texting, I'm like, who is so important?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yes.

[Hannah]

Well, I like, this is comedic timing. Like, I had the moment. We're losing the moment. I'm gonna forget what I'm gonna say. I have adhd and now I'm.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And that's just a Tuesday. But Travis Scott's playing video games. I just have to say, Taylor, it was so relatable that she's like, he was playing video games. I had to wake him up. Like, Taylor Swift is in your house. You should be watching her make sourdough bread. What do you mean? You're playing video games. You should be listening to her play guitar.

[Paige Desorbo]

The other thing that was crazy was that, like, she was obviously, like going on podcasts and doing like, press for her album. And. And I think she was on like a British podcast or something or like radio show. And the guy was, oh, no, no, no, different. And the guy was like, oh, there's like rumors that this is your last album because you're like, getting married. And she said, what a wildly offensive thing, like, thing to say. Like, that's not like the reason the majority of women get married. Like, what? And here you have Taylor Swift, who is a self made billionaire who has topped. Who has done so many, like, broken so many whatever. The first of anyone to do all these different things. And she. And she is getting defined by like, oh, well, you're Travis, Kelsey's fiance. Like, the, the massage.

[Hannah]

You're married. Now, so you can't work because it's like, what's different? I have a ring on my finger now. What you think is like, weighing me down or that she has to now, like, tend to her husband? It's great that she, like, stood up for herself. There are also people are doing like, think pieces on like some of the lyrics being like trad wifey or whatever or her like. Yeah, no, I do have to say, if you don't listen to the lyrics, which I'll be honest, I don't. I'm not in it for that. Yeah, there's a lot of like. Okay. I'm like deep in Taylor Swift lore right now. Okay.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wow.

[Hannah]

So basically, apparently of the Swifties, there's like the ones who love like evermore and love and lover and folk and.

[Paige Desorbo]

So like the sadder folklore song.

[Hannah]

They love, like, the folk, like her, like, talking, like, lyrically, whatever. I was a girl who liked like Red. Like, I liked Reputation. Like, I like. I like just like Bobby Boppy. So like, one thing about this album and I feel like everyone can see to an extent.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Some of these songs, you can knock it out your head. Like, it's nice. Like, I listened to it to twice and I'm like trying to go to sleep and I can't stop hearing it. She has some. Some Taylor crack cocaine that she borrowed from Charlie Xax in these. They're very poppy. I do think with Taylor, her songs are. Look at me going full.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, you're going full dissertation. And then I have to change the subjects because I actually can't anymore.

[Hannah]

I just feel like she. It's like her journal. It's like her therapy. So it's like, yes. She wouldn't say these things, but it's like her expressing her like, deepest thoughts. And that's what I. One argument I have to say about people being like, oh, it's not good lyrics. I don't know if it ever, like, long term. Like, you remember her song, like, welcome to New York? Like, that was not a lyrical. It was like, welcome to New York.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, we've been waiting for you.

[Hannah]

Welcome to New York. Like, I was like, okay, cool. Like, shake it, whatever.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, like, does she have to be Shakespeare every time?

[Hannah]

I think the point is, is that it's cool that she writes the music where.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Now look, I'm deep in Nashville also.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, so you're dialed in.

[Hannah]

Are you still watching Nashville?

[Paige Desorbo]

You know, I kind of fell off a little bit.

[Hannah]

Did you watch the first season?

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm not done with the first season, but I'll catch up.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Paige Desorbo]

I know we, like, have the show together, and then, like, I feel like a bad boyfriend. Like, I.

[Hannah]

Well, I paused because, like, something happened that I was like. But I'm, like, working through it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, I'll get back on the train because I actually rarely watch movies. Like, I'm really more of, like, a show.

[Hannah]

You are.

[Paige Desorbo]

Not to bring up Taylor Swift again, but I'm a showgirl.

[Hannah]

Also, Nashville has, like, 28 episodes in the first season.

[Paige Desorbo]

I know, which is really, really good for my mental health.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

But I watched this show. Did I talk about this on the pod? About the show? The movie Swiped on Hulu.

[Hannah]

You brought it up, but I don't know if you went to detail.

[Paige Desorbo]

I urge everyone to go and watch the movie Swiped on Hulu. It's based off the woman who created Bumble. No, the lore. First of all, she's one of the founders of Tinder. Okay. They basically cut her out because she was dating the other founder of Tinder, like, one of the guys, and he was being, like, super abusive, super unprofessional, sending her all these, like. Now, granted, this is like Tinder. Wait, I feel like we talked about this on the pod.

[Hannah]

You. You did. You did, but I didn't want to stop you.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, never mind. Sorry.

[Hannah]

Oh, no, it's okay.

[Paige Desorbo]

Go watch it. It's so good. But it's basically about, like, a woman getting revenge on, like, her ex boyfriend and then, like, basically creating, like, a way better app and becoming, like, a billionaire. And I'm just, like, really obsessed with all things Whitney Wolfe heard, but she really can't talk about anything because she's under an NDA, which I also just like, love. But Lily James plays her, and it's just so good.

[Hannah]

Lily James Depp? Oh, no.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, no.

[Hannah]

You guys, we are a pop culture podcast. Okay. No, wait. Can I say something to raise awareness for female stand up comedians?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yes.

[Hannah]

Okay. So I always think about how, like, it's so difficult for female stand up comedians to exist. And one of the reasons is because when you start in the stand up community, you're, like, one of the few girls and you're just surrounded by men all the time, so inevitably, it's your coworkers. So inevitably, you start dating, like, one of the cute male standups when you break up, which you inevitably do because they're.

[Paige Desorbo]

They live on, say, inevitably one more.

[Hannah]

Time, I'm gonna lose it. I was not aware I said it at all. At least it's not essentially that shit. Is so annoying. But inevitably you date someone and you break up. Then that dude tells all his friends, don't book her on the show, don't book her on the show. And you. These were all your. So there's so many women who have trouble making it in stand up comedy like in New York City because they dated a stand up once and then all the boys turn their back on them and next thing you know they can't get stage time. They feel awkward when they walk into clubs. They don't want to be funny. But it's hard to be funny when all these men are staring at you and not rooting for you.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this is way more relatable than to just stand up comedy. Comedy Women get like obviously such a bad rep of like they're crazy. My ex girlfriend's crazy. Blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Every single boyfriend I've ever had that I've broken up with. I'm not kidding you, Hannah. Every single one. Since I was 19 years old, after I broke up with them in some way, shape or form, they have tried to me over or exile me from something or called a club and was like, don't ever let her in again.

[Hannah]

Oh my God.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like every sing one has done something that I've then had to be like, hey, sorry, we actually broke up and this is why he's doing this. Like. And I've never done any revenge because I believe in karma more than I believe in revenge. And I think that if you do something to me, it's gonna come back to you ten times worse than I could have ever.

[Hannah]

Girls, write that down. Yeah, write that down.

[Paige Desorbo]

I believe in karma more than revenge.

[Hannah]

That's happened to me before and I believe in that moment you want to be like, oh, he's fucking with me, I need to fuck him. But when you step back like that is so sinister of him to do. The universe doesn't reward that. Like, and you trying to fuck with him is just getting in the mud with another with pigs. Like you're just playing getting dirty. So like let these men try taking.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't believe in actively trying to fuck someone over because I think karma is like so much stronger. I do believe in revenge based on just doing better than them in general. And I think that is like a better approach. But that's so fragile.

[Hannah]

I do have to say like, there have been times where a guy or a friend has done something to hurt me that lit a fire under my ass to do Stuff that I didn't even care about. Yeah, like, they don't realize that they care. They threw dirt on my name and flowers grew. Like, you don't realize I didn't even want to do what I did. But you're the reason when people try to destroy you. It's. It. It. It makes you actually see yourself in a better light. It's more like, if no one cares about you, like, that's also annoying. That pisses me off. But when someone cares so much to try to hurt you, I'm like, oh, there's something special about you.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, they're in love with you.

[Hannah]

Don't forget that they're. And Taylor Swift was.

[Paige Desorbo]

They're in love with you. Now I am interested to see if Charlie XCX does something. Like, did she listen? Like, okay. Because you know when someone does something to you and you're like, oh, my God, I know they're talking about me. Or like, I know that's about me.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do you think that Charlie was like, oh, that's a hundred percent about me? And, yeah, she'll retaliate.

[Hannah]

Well, this is the thing in the music business. If she were to retaliate, she would get a ton of streams. So, like, business wise, I think she might. Or she's gonna. The next album she puts out, she'll put, like, one or two lyrics that sound like maybe. I always do think it's so fun, though, when someone, like, makes up a lie about you or, like, really comes for your throat, and then you just don't acknowledge it because it's not true and you're just not gonna give it energy. Like, that's so embarrassing for them.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, it's actually one of my most favorite things to do because I'm like, you can't even say anything because you know you're lying. So you can't even, like, really go into detail because there are none. Yeah, but, like, and. And I'm sitting here because I, like, genuinely don't care.

[Hannah]

We're having such a savage episode today. I don't know what's in the water.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, you want to know what? I have my period, and so I'm the blood moon.

[Hannah]

The red blood moon.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, I almost, like, want to get into a fight just to release what I have inside.

[Hannah]

Your. Your nails are red.

[Paige Desorbo]

I went red for Paris. I feel like it deserves it, you know?

[Hannah]

That's triggering for me. It's.

[Paige Desorbo]

As you drink out of a red stand light, it's not.

[Hannah]

It's orange. If you're watching on YouTube comment below. It's. It's a bright orange. Okay, you guys know how much we love doing the call in episodes. We love talking to our little gigglers.

[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah]

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah]

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah]

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

Oh yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

Did you watch the new like the new season of Monster about Ed Gein.

[Hannah]

Ed Gein. So I was unfamiliar with his work, as was I.

[Paige Desorbo]

As was I.

[Hannah]

Now do I hate them like glorifying these monsters? Yes. Do I love watching it? Yes. Does it remind me my day could have been worse? Yes. Does it make life more about perspective and it helps me sleep at night? Yes. Is that my own issue. Yes. Anyway, so he basically was the inspiration behind, like, the movie Psycho, which was, like, the first ever horror thriller. I didn't know that Thriller.

[Paige Desorbo]

I didn't know that was like, they. What they create. That genre was created by Alfred.

[Hannah]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre was inspired by him because he had so many different sick things that he did that they had, like, multiple genres from it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And there was also another movie that he. A Leatherface.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

So this guy. What's with them all being from Wisconsin? What's going on? Go Badgers.

[Paige Desorbo]

Bucky, what's happening?

[Hannah]

Oh, it's cold, so there's not a lot to do. And they're like, should we cut someone up?

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, here's. I obviously. Sick. Sick man. Mental problems, mental issues. All of the things. I started to get really nervous about my own self when I was watching it because I had a moment where I was like, oh, he's killing people, but he. He's not torturing them. Like, he's killing. Like, he's killing them and they don't even know they're about to get killed. And, like, when you hear about, like, his childhood and, like, his mom, you're like, oh, he had no option other than to be a psychopath. And so, like, I didn't.

[Hannah]

I think he did.

[Paige Desorbo]

I didn't feel bad for him at all. Like, I'm not saying that I felt bad for him.

[Hannah]

And they said he had, like, a gentleness to him, which is why he kept getting babysitting gigs. I was on TikTok last night. Like, he. He spoke really softly and he was. He was kind.

[Paige Desorbo]

I almost feel like if he didn't. If he didn't. If his schizophrenia didn't come out, he probably would have been just like a nice Midwestern guy. But because he had on, like, he wasn't treating schizophrenia, like, it just took. He just. He could. There's nothing he could have done.

[Hannah]

So for you guys who don't know, apparently his. Apparently his mom was super religious and, like, told him all girls are evil. And. And she just has to love him.

[Paige Desorbo]

And she brainwashed.

[Hannah]

She brainwashed him.

[Paige Desorbo]

And then she.

[Hannah]

When she died, he was left just, like, obsessed with her and missing her and almost wanting to be here because, like, he would cross dress. But he wasn't.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I did look up because there was this thing where it was like, he would have sex with dead bodies. I looked up. That wasn't, like, confirmed.

[Hannah]

So he's a good guy.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, but, like, he would. No, no, let's not go There. Let's not go there. He's a saint. Sick. Sick man who tortured and.

[Hannah]

No, he made lampshades out of people's skin.

[Paige Desorbo]

They were dead at the time.

[Hannah]

Yes. And the sewing work was incredible. It's. It's just sick. But it does make you feel better about yourself. You're like, okay, I have a little ocd.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, same.

[Hannah]

Okay, So I get.

[Paige Desorbo]

I have a panic attack once a year.

[Hannah]

No big deal.

[Paige Desorbo]

I could take a pill.

[Hannah]

But apparently, if you want to look deeper into it, there's, like, an Ed Gein tape thing.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, he's a sick. And I. I'm sorry for saying that. Like, I felt bad for him. I didn't feel bad for him, but I was just like, he could have been saved. Like, if he had modern medicine and therapy and, like, a normal upbringing, like, I think he could have been saved. I don't think he would have turned into this monster.

[Hannah]

Yeah, yeah. The schizophrenic stuff is. Was hard to come back from once. Apparently it happens, like, in your early 20s sometimes. Onset.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's why we need to have kids, because there's too many crazy people, like, procreating, making monsters, and we need to have children and make nice, normal humans.

[Hannah]

Wait, that is the big, nicest compliment you ever gave me, because I feel.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like I can't wait till your child can, like, tell jokes, because I'm. I know I'm gonna be laughing at that.

[Hannah]

So sarcastic. I'll be like, what'd you say?

[Paige Desorbo]

I can't wait. For the first time my daughter, like, looks someone up and down, and it's like, that's what you pick to wear, Mom. And I'm like, I know. Keep it in your side. Like, I can't wait for the first time she offends someone. I'm like, you can't say that.

[Hannah]

Also, when kids offend you, it hurts on, like, such a deeper level because it's. It's. There's pure honesty.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. Earnest.

[Hannah]

Also, one more thing about Ed Gein.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Just like, as a Hollywood note, I think he would have been bigger if. If they changed his name. Like, Ted Bundy. Great name. Great name. Zodiac killer. Great name. Ed Gein doesn't roll off the tongue. It didn't. He didn't get credit.

[Paige Desorbo]

How many things were, like, based off of him? I. This was the first time I'd ever heard his name.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

His PR didn't do a great job.

[Hannah]

No. Get it. What do you with cat PR company? Like, let's. Let's not great. Wisconsin didn't have a good ad agency at the time. But I do think I want to bring something up about our minds.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

We were on another meeting where we were both on my computer, and you start embarrassing me in front of everyone, being like, oh, my God, you have so many tabs open. I'm sorry.

[Paige Desorbo]

Embarrassing.

[Hannah]

I thought we were in America. I thought we had freedom of speech also.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do you capitalism.

[Hannah]

Do you not have a lot of tabs open?

[Paige Desorbo]

No, Hannah, I have no tabs open.

[Hannah]

Okay?

[Paige Desorbo]

The tab that I'm currently working on and no tabs open unless I have to remember something. I also have zero emails and zero text messages. That's the type of person that I am.

[Hannah]

I'm shocked. When you online shop, you don't have, like, 4,000 tabs open, and then, like, don't know if you want to buy it and you leave it open and you're afraid to X out of it in case you, like, have a curated. Oh, you just buy it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Decisive. I just buy it.

[Hannah]

You just buy it.

[Paige Desorbo]

I deal with that problem when it comes. Then I'm like, return it. So I can't.

[Hannah]

No, see, I have, like, 500 Zara tabs open.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, because then if I get a notification, like, something you added to your car is, like, running out, then, like, the anxiety of that I have to. Then I have to go buy it. And I'm like, I can't have other people have it and I not have it. No, it's.

[Hannah]

Wait, this is crazy. Our computers really are like our rooms because you see chaos. I have it, actually. Like, I know every single tab, and if someone X'd out of this, I'd be like, I lost everything. Like, I have everything organized in the most, like, unorganized way.

[Paige Desorbo]

And everything for me has a home. Everything has a place.

[Hannah]

That's what my mom says. She said everything is. Have a home.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

Oh, my God, I'm so proud of you.

[Paige Desorbo]

Any of you. I also think that your bedroom is a reflection of the inside of your mind. And so, like, I can't fall asleep if, like, I have clothes all over, if my closet door is open. Like, I need things to be serene for, like, my brain to calm down.

[Hannah]

Do you ever feel like you'd rather lay down, though, instead of clean? And you, like, you don't have to. So you just don't.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, because if I'm laying down, I physically. It gives me, like, anxiety that there's.

[Hannah]

Things around, and that's depression versus anxiety, people.

[Paige Desorbo]

And that's 101, and that's how we're relatable yet different. No, we literally textbook suffer. You have depression, I have anxiety. That's crazy, Hannah.

[Hannah]

But sometimes we dabble. Like, I girl, you know I dabble in anxiety.

[Paige Desorbo]

Totally. I haven't been depressed in a while, though. Knock on wood.

[Hannah]

Okay. Humble brag. Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

Now next week or something.

[Hannah]

Since I'm on tour. Shout out, everyone. See me in Phoenix and Vegas this weekend. My mom's coming. My question to you is, when you have like a 9 o' clock flight and let's say you land at like 11:30 noon, are you drinking coffee beforehand, but then you're like, jacked on the flight, like, listening to Nashville songs, just like, my leg shaking like crazy. Or do you land and you feel like you have a little headache and you feel off and then you're gonna have trouble sleeping at night? Or you just don't get affected by caffeine the way I do.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't get affected by caffeine the way you do. I think, like, it's mind over matter. Like, I think it's.

[Hannah]

I think she go, it's called being weak minded.

[Paige Desorbo]

I have never been the type, like, people would be like, oh, my God, you can't drink soda after like 8:00'. Clock. And I'm like, grow up. People do hard drugs, you know, so I've never.

[Hannah]

People are making lampshades out of people's skin. You could have Diet Coke.

[Paige Desorbo]

So I've never subscribed to that. That school of thought. Like, I can will myself to fall asleep.

[Hannah]

Okay. I know we were talking in the car about how I'm the opposite of Charlie Sheen. Like, how Charlie Sheen can handle anything. And I, like, I can't. But I also think it is mental too. Like, I. I succumb to it. It's like when I smoke weed, I. I just go around asking anyone how to get on high instead of just leaning.

[Paige Desorbo]

You're not good with substances. Like, like, you can't really.

[Hannah]

I can't even have a full apple juice. I can't have a full apple juice.

[Paige Desorbo]

You get like, yes. You're one of those kids that like. Like, I don't think I was ever affected by sugar as a child. Like, I don't remember. It is not on brand for me to be hyper. Like, I don't think I was ever hyper as a child.

[Hannah]

Do you know, my mom used to, like, I wouldn't stop, like, being awake and, like, talking, and she would just slowly, like, press my head down on the pillow.

[Paige Desorbo]

Press your pillow into your face.

[Hannah]

She'd be like, maybe this will make it stop. But then. And then I. She would just, like, kind of softly hold my head down until I fell asleep. Wait. Saying it all out.

[Paige Desorbo]

I was literally crazing myself, putting myself in cute set pajamas, getting myself in bed, and then yelling, mom, I'm in bed.

[Hannah]

My mom has to dress me. And what I was gonna wear the next day because it was gonna be so chaotic the next morning when I woke up to just know that I was ready so that.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, see, I was like, the opposite. I was like, mom, where the fuck are my matching socks? Like, I'll burn this house down.

[Hannah]

See, I'm like, I'm not wearing socks. I don't like how they feel on my toes. Also, my dad used to do this thing where when I was waking up in the morning, he'd be like, time to wake up. And obviously I wouldn't, right? Because free will. And then he would do this countdown, and he was like, don't let me get to zero. Which, like, I don't think is a good way to start your day. And maybe I should talk. He would be like, okay. 10. Don't make me come in there. 9. And I'd wait till it was like, two, and then I'd be like, wait.

[Paige Desorbo]

Were you a child that got, like, one, two.

[Hannah]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Paige Desorbo]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Hannah]

I was. I was a timeout child. I had a lot of timeouts. I also. But then my dad started abusing it. Like, I would be like, 13. He'd be like, give me the remote. And I'd be like, no. And he'd be like, five, four. I'm like, you can't use it for this. You can't. I didn't do anything wrong. And he's like, three. Do I need to.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's so funny, because I really don't think I was a child. Like. Like, I never had one tooth. I don't. I never, like, got in trouble.

[Hannah]

Did you ever get in trouble in school?

[Paige Desorbo]

Never for.

[Hannah]

You never got in trouble for chatting? Well, you had to have me in your class because me and you would have been living in detention.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, maybe I would get like, paige, like, quiet down. But I never got, like, paige is, like, a problem to have in class.

[Hannah]

I was. I was never a problem. I did get, like, too chatty. And occasionally I would try to, like, start a revolt. But otherwise, like, I feel like after second grade, I realized, like, oh, you need the teachers to like you. And then I was like, yeah, fully on board. I was like, Fuck my friends. Like, we're.

[Paige Desorbo]

I think I was just, like, so checked out that I was like, I don't care. Like, I literally don't give a fuck about this. I'm never gonna need it. Don't care. Don't care to even get in trouble because I don't want to be here.

[Hannah]

Do you know I used to walk to middle school from my house and I would get lost all the time.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, that's so New York City.

[Hannah]

It was like six blocks.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, at what age did your parents let you go by? Your.

[Hannah]

In elementary school, me and my brother would walk to school. Like, I mean, Park Slope was, like, so nice in the 90s. Like, so beautiful. I just remember, like, fall leaves. And me and my brother would walk to school.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, that's so sweet.

[Hannah]

And it was like three blocks. Like, it wasn't far. And then all the other kids would be walking to school. But I remember getting in trouble in school and knowing that the teacher was going to try to talk to my mom. So then I realized if I can get to my mom before her, I could be like, mom, I want a PB and J. Let's get out of here. And wait.

[Paige Desorbo]

You're scheming, you're prodding.

[Hannah]

I was like, hey, mom, real quick, can I talk to you for a second? Can I believe her chat? And then I. Yeah. So anyway, I figured it out, but I was definitely chatty, and I'd raise my hand all the time. Which you didn't.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I never did. Well, I couldn't read, and that's my villain origin story. I literally could not read.

[Hannah]

These words are coming for me.

[Paige Desorbo]

Third grade, and I. So I hated school. And then I just got competitive anyway. I digress.

[Hannah]

We digress. We digress. You guys, thank you so much for giggling with us on this deep, emotional episode of analyzing things and realizing things.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm gonna be on Jimmy Fallon tomorrow night, so make sure you guys tune in. And also, Daphne fall collection is launching tomorrow, so 10am Obsessed.

[Hannah]

Obsessed. Lock in. Also get tickets to see me in. I'm going to Wisconsin, where Ed Gein is from. Go Badgers, Madison, Green Bay. And check out this weekend, Phoenix and Vegas. We love you guys so much.

[Paige Desorbo]

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