Giggling about muses, stalking, and the end of an era

Summary

Podcast Summary: Giggly Squad – "Giggling about Muses, Stalking, and the End of an Era"

Release Date: June 10, 2025

Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo

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1. Reflections on Summer’s End and Studio Redesign

As summer draws to a close, Hannah and Paige dive into conversations about the rapid passage of time and the looming changes that fall brings. They express sentiments of disbelief over how quickly summer has slipped away.

• Chris Olsen reflects on the swift end of summer:
  “Summer's done. Which is insane.”
  (03:44)

The hosts discuss plans to revamp their studio space, contemplating color schemes and design elements that reflect their evolving brand identity.

• Des Bishop muses on the creative transformation:
  “In our friendship, I feel like I've turned so many times.”
  (02:26)

They consider moving to a pitch-black theme, blending it with their signature hot pink accents to create a fresh, bold aesthetic.

2. Friendship Dynamics and Personal Growth

Hannah and Paige explore the complexities of their friendship, discussing how they've influenced each other's lives over the years. They highlight the growth and changes they've both undergone, emphasizing the strength of their bond despite evolving circumstances.

• Chris Olsen shares a humorous take on their creative phases:
  “I have to let you know that I did put my lip liner on before this pod, but I realized very quickly that it was like, it needs to be sharpened. So I think I'm bleeding.”
  (05:08)

They also touch upon the introduction of their team members, Daphne and Grace, and the emotional connections they share with their listeners, the Gigglers.

3. Navigating Modern Dating and Relationships

The conversation shifts to the challenges and intricacies of modern dating, especially for women in their 20s and 30s. The hosts discuss societal expectations, personal experiences, and the impact of past relationships on current self-perception.

• Des Bishop expresses concerns about dating trends:
  “It's unsettling because usually we see it the other way around. We see it, like, where women are.”
  (06:25)

• Chris Olsen shares a personal anecdote about misinterpreting social media posts:
  “I see a picture and I’m like, are they saying that we’re together?”
  (08:20)

They delve into the importance of self-worth in relationships, emphasizing that settling for less is a reflection of one’s own perceived value.

• Des Bishop states:
  “They say the person that you settle for is who you believe you deserve.”
  (28:06)

4. Pop Culture Commentary: Sex in the City Reboot

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing the "Sex in the City" reboot. Hannah and Paige express disappointment with the new portrayal of iconic characters, feeling that the essence of the originals has been lost.

• Chris Olsen vents frustration:
  “They’re now ruining the original series. None of the characters are anything like how I would picture them to be in their 50s.”
  (37:02)

They compare the original series' depth and relatability to the reboot's superficial approach, urging listeners to revisit the classics for authentic storytelling.

• Des Bishop adds:
  “It was so realistically raw to be, like, in your 30s, you’re still getting up at bars sometimes and saying, what’s my purpose?”
  (39:03)

5. Theater and Broadway Insights

The hosts transition to discussing recent theatrical experiences, including attending plays and the dynamic world of Broadway. They share amusing stories about attending performances and the challenges associated with live theater.

• Des Bishop recounts a confusing Pilates experience:
  “She doesn’t call my name, and I continued doing my Pilates class. Yesterday I get a notification that I missed a class in LA.”
  (19:07)

They also highlight the allure of Broadway, debating its entertainment value versus personal preferences for different forms of media.

• Chris Olsen humorously criticizes musical theater:
  “I’m too old now. I can’t do any of the dusting.”
  (60:17)

6. Personal Anecdotes and Relationship Stories

Hannah and Paige share intimate stories about past relationships, emphasizing the importance of recognizing unhealthy dynamics and the journey towards self-love and emotional well-being.

• Des Bishop describes an ex-boyfriend’s negative influence:
  “He was so miserable to be around, but no one knew. Everyone was just like, you guys are so happy together.”
  (57:53)

• Chris Olsen discusses the impact of relationships on self-esteem:
  “Girls say you can see your mental illness through the people that you've dated.”
  (27:09)

They stress the significance of setting healthy boundaries and valuing oneself in the pursuit of meaningful connections.

7. Celebrating Current Projects and Achievements

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts celebrate the launch of Daphne, their new project, sharing their excitement and gratitude towards their listeners for their support.

• Chris Olsen announces the launch:
  “Daphne is officially out launched. Thank you so much for ordering.”
  (64:16)

They express emotional moments tied to their projects, highlighting the strong community they've built with their audience.

Notable Quotes

• Des Bishop on design changes:
  “We’ve gone through a lot of errors. But you know what? I can say you were in your creative era.”
  (04:38)

• Chris Olsen on self-reflection:
  “Sometimes I just have to keep telling myself, yeah, this is a normal person.”
  (26:40)

• Des Bishop on personal authenticity:
  “A la jojo siwa. No matter how masculine you are, be you.”
  (27:20)

Conclusion

In this episode of "Giggly Squad," Hannah and Paige navigate through a tapestry of personal growth, friendship, dating dynamics, and pop culture critiques. Their candid conversations, sprinkled with humor and heartfelt reflections, offer listeners a glimpse into their evolving lives and creative journeys. Whether discussing the end of summer, the complexities of modern relationships, or the disappointments of reboots, the hosts maintain their signature blend of laughter and honesty, making the episode both engaging and relatable.

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Note: Ads, promos, and sponsor messages have been omitted to focus solely on the content discussed by Hannah and Paige.

Transcript

[Hannah Berner]

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[Paige DeSorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

Sup, Gigglers?

[Des Bishop]

Gary, fix your WI fi.

[Chris Olsen]

Manifest that shit.

[Des Bishop]

We can't be managed. I mean, the day just got away from me. What's up, my gorgeous Gigglers? We're going classic. We're going OG oh in the studio and me sing Gorgeous in the living room.

[Chris Olsen]

In our friendship, I feel like I've turned so many. I've turned Hannah coated in like so many different situations where, like, if you had asked me like five years ago, I'd be like, ew. And now I'm Like, I love it.

[Des Bishop]

I've subconsciously been turning you into a rat.

[Chris Olsen]

I like, I kind of like, now. I'm, like, so into that. Like, our studio's ugly. Like, I love it. I like, I'll see a clip on TikTok and I'll stop.

[Des Bishop]

Not because it's.

[Chris Olsen]

Because I'm like, It's jarring. And I think we're masterminds on TikTok because everyone's going to stop and be.

[Des Bishop]

Like, this clip went viral. Is that color yellow legal to put on a camera?

[Chris Olsen]

Did they actually vomit on the wall?

[Des Bishop]

It's like that sound that only dogs can hear. Only gigglers can see it.

[Chris Olsen]

No, I saw a giggler actually posted. Like, if I were to design the giggly squad studio and she was Burn it. I mean, it was, like, insane. She did such a good job. I'm like, that would be trillion dollars. But I've been thinking, because who works?

[Des Bishop]

I love how we only talk business on the pod. Like, we will not address it. And then you sit down, you go, new meeting on the docket.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, we're all in the same room.

[Des Bishop]

What do we do in the studio? It's a problem.

[Chris Olsen]

My thought is this summer, like, the summer is basically over. First of all, let's not even talk about that.

[Des Bishop]

Summer's over.

[Chris Olsen]

Summer's done.

[Des Bishop]

Done.

[Chris Olsen]

Which is insane.

[Des Bishop]

Blink of an eye. It's summer's. I'm stressed about the fall.

[Chris Olsen]

It's literally Labor Day week, guys.

[Des Bishop]

It's Q7.

[Chris Olsen]

I think in the fall, we go.

[Des Bishop]

We start anew.

[Chris Olsen]

We start anew.

[Des Bishop]

It's so funny. I talked to Grace about this this morning. I said, text Paige because I was like, I don't want to go too hard at her. Like, you do it from the side and say, like, should we.

[Chris Olsen]

I think we have, like, a space.

[Des Bishop]

Yes.

[Chris Olsen]

We go to a space, and we.

[Des Bishop]

Fully together design it.

[Chris Olsen]

And I've been seeing, like, all the different curtain. Curtain vibes that people are doing. Like, what's our coloring? What's our thing? You know? And I think we go og.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, black. Like, with the giggles.

[Des Bishop]

I think we go pitch black.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, because it was really. Our colors were hot pink and black.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

And then we turned.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

We don't know.

[Des Bishop]

We don't. We don't speak of whatever this color is. Yeah. I chose it.

[Chris Olsen]

Then we had, like. Remember our old studio had, like, that wood paneling?

[Des Bishop]

Yes. Yes. Look, we've gone through a lot of errors. Yeah. But you know what? I can say you were in your creative era. She's Van Gogh. She sees things and she goes, wait, I'm so creative right now.

[Chris Olsen]

It's like a Monet. Up close, it's really blurry, but far away, it's gorgeous.

[Des Bishop]

I have to let you know that I did put my lip liner on before this pod, but I realized very quickly that it was like, it needs to be sharpened. So I think I'm bleeding.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm actually not even gonna address that.

[Des Bishop]

That was a cry for help.

[Chris Olsen]

I don't have, like, the mental pads. Have you ever tried the lipstick stains? Because I feel like you're, like, the perfect candidate for it. Because you're always complaining, like, oh, my lips, like, lose color and stuff.

[Des Bishop]

A lot of them can be drying.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

And then you have to, like, put a lip on after I've bought them.

[Chris Olsen]

Got it. That's all. That's actually what I was asking.

[Des Bishop]

I bought the, like, the one that you pull off. I bought it all. I'm not waking up in the morning, like, putting. That's too many steps. I want to be in the Uber and be like, fuck, I forgot to put lipstick on.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Right.

[Des Bishop]

And then put it on. There's something going on in the water right now. There's a couple girls are dating men that I didn't see them going to that side.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

Jojo Siwa.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay. Mm.

[Des Bishop]

Fletcher.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

And Billie Eilish was seen kissing a man. Now I am no one to talk because I kissed a man a week ago. Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

Jazz pops in. Hey. Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

But this is unsettling.

[Chris Olsen]

It's unsettling because usually we see it the other way around. We see it, like, where women are, like. And I've had it. And I'll go to the women's side. We rarely see it. This is.

[Des Bishop]

This means it's setting us back. Men might be evolving with new tricks.

[Chris Olsen]

Y.

[Des Bishop]

Or we may just be tired. The girls are tired, and. But maybe we forgot the jojo Siwa.

[Chris Olsen]

Because you watched that season of Love island with me. He was on that season of Love island that we watched in the bed.

[Des Bishop]

Wow.

[Chris Olsen]

Because it was, like, one of the very first seasons we were watching.

[Des Bishop]

I only remember Curtis.

[Chris Olsen]

He's very Curtis Co. They're kind of similar.

[Des Bishop]

Okay. Yeah. Like, they dance the jojo Siwa one, though.

[Chris Olsen]

Like that. I. I'm still. I think about it every day.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

And it's. You want to know what I like about it, though? She hasn't changed any of, like, her mannerisms, her outfits. Like, it's not like she's like, oh, and now I'm With a guy. So I need to feel. Be more feminine. She's like, no, this is who I am.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

And, like, I just. I like kissing him for the moment. So I do have to say, for a kind of.

[Des Bishop]

Men love lesbians. And as someone who is lesbian, passing guys. Look, guys love a little. A little sports chat. They love when you're wearing a jersey. They got hard ons for that.

[Chris Olsen]

Wait. Sometimes, like, I'll watch Tick Tock in the middle of the night because I'll wake up and, like, I'll be like, oh, my God. If my thoughts start going, like, we're in for it. So I'll just immediately pick up.

[Des Bishop]

My phone starts, no, no, no.

[Chris Olsen]

But I don't want the sound because I'm like, I want to fall back asleep. So I'll just watch, like, soundless. And then if it's something I'm really interested in, I'll do, like, one click up. I scroll past this video, and it's a picture of me, and it's a picture of Paige, the. The NBA player.

[Des Bishop]

Oh, Paige Beckers.

[Chris Olsen]

Yes.

[Des Bishop]

Wait, I think I saw this.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm watching this video. No sound, and I'm like, oh, my God, are they saying that we're together? Are people putting us as a couple? And then I, like, raise the volume, and it's just like, the name Paige is like, oh. And I'm like, oh, okay. Sor.

[Des Bishop]

Sorry.

[Chris Olsen]

My bad.

[Des Bishop]

Freudian slip.

[Chris Olsen]

I was like, sorry, you put me in a lesbian relationship. I thought.

[Des Bishop]

I love how you're starting your own rumors about yourself at this point.

[Chris Olsen]

You're starting conspiracy reality TV this week. I feel like, who's gonna start rumors about me if I don't?

[Des Bishop]

Now can we have a moment of silence, which we've never done.

[Chris Olsen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Des Bishop]

The end of a beautiful era.

[Chris Olsen]

I feel, you know, like, when you make, like, a drastic switch in your life, and you're like. And before you do it, you're like, but how am I going to feel when I do it? Like, what if I regret it? I was, like, dealing with that. I was like, but what if I, like, say it to everyone? Then I'm like, oh, my God, no, I want to go back. I really feel so aligned.

[Des Bishop]

You can Tom Brady it if you want to. That was just, you know, a sports rush.

[Chris Olsen]

Then I feel like one of my, like, the freshman in college going back to, like, her high school. Like, yeah, when I was here.

[Des Bishop]

Chewing gum with your car keys.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Oh, my God. Is Ms. Lebowitz still here?

[Chris Olsen]

When I slept in that room for the first time.

[Des Bishop]

I got fingered in that hallway.

[Chris Olsen]

So anyway, no, I feel. I feel good. It's kind of also, like, graduating college. Like, you're like, oh, this is sad. But, like, no, I want to go to the next step. Like, I'm excited.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

And then, like, whilst you're doing it, you're like. You have a flashback where you're like, oh, I wish we could go back to college. Like, that was so easy and fun. Like, I'm sure I'll have that. But, like, I just feel like I give. I gave all I could give.

[Des Bishop]

But also, people don't talk about, like, people do talk about it. Marilyn Monroe, but, like, nothing lasts forever.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And you ever get a job when you're younger and you're like, this is what I'm going to do forever? Like, yeah, I'm obsessed with this. Or you meet a guy and you're like, this is me now. And then in a couple of months or in a year. I mean, look at Beyonce's daughter, Rumi. Is that her name? Rumi?

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, I think so.

[Des Bishop]

So my favorite video on the Internet right now is her going on stage the first show.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Being the happiest she's ever been. She is over it.

[Chris Olsen]

Coming out on, like, the fourth show, she's like, we got it.

[Des Bishop]

We got it.

[Chris Olsen]

This is my mom. My sister's gorgeous.

[Des Bishop]

Thanks. She looks at the crowd and she's like, I don't give a fuck.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

I'm overtime at this point. I don't get paid enough for this shit.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

So anyway, I do think there's so many beautiful things that happen.

[Chris Olsen]

The fact that I'm starting my summer and no one's gonna say to me, what story would you like to tell this summer? Is just. I just feel like, what do people.

[Grace O'Malley]

Do in the summer?

[Des Bishop]

I mean, the world is your oyster. As I said, season one.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm so excited.

[Des Bishop]

It's so exciting.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm gonna sleep so much.

[Des Bishop]

I mean, you already did.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm literally.

[Des Bishop]

You've been sleeping. No, but it's. It's a freedom. It's such a weird job that it was.

[Chris Olsen]

It's such a weird job.

[Des Bishop]

And you can't explain it to people.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. You really can't. And it's. Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

But I also. I did see, like, some comments here or there, and people were like, oh, no. Like, we're gonna. We're gonna miss Paige or whatever. And it's like. But then people are like, well, we have her on Giggly Squad every week where Actually, you get more of her.

[Chris Olsen]

You get way more. I literally just have to listen to Daphne. That's it. And she. And she doesn't say anything.

[Des Bishop]

And Grace.

[Chris Olsen]

And I also. I need to thank the gigglers because, well, when this comes out, Daphne would have launched and just with like, the email subscriptions, like, I know it's gigglers. Like, you know, like, I know when, like, my team is like, oh, this many people signed up. And like, in an hour they give me an update. It's the Gigglers. And it just makes me. I was so emotional all weekend. Like, I kept tearing up because I was like, wait, the girls are like, showing up? And it was just very sweet. And I'm wearing the Hannah tea.

[Des Bishop]

Hell yeah. I love it. It looks so comfy.

[Chris Olsen]

I also have to talk about you for a minute. Oh, Hannah sent me an edible arrangement to congratulate me on the launch of Daphne. And in the card she wrote congrats on the Hannity. I then go on Instagram and I see her comment and her comment was from the queen Julia Fox that she was. What is the guy's name?

[Des Bishop]

Brian.

[Chris Olsen]

Softy's muse. And uncut jab.

[Des Bishop]

That was Josh Softy's muse. Uncut jab.

[Chris Olsen]

So Hannah coated.

[Des Bishop]

So I realized, is it a lot of responsibility being your muse?

[Chris Olsen]

Yes.

[Des Bishop]

Every time you see me, you're looking at what inspiration I bring to the world.

[Chris Olsen]

I literally said in an interview the other day, I was like, and you can wear the pants with Crocs. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, sorry I had to do that for the Hannahs. Because, like, if not, I just made everything for the pages and they're gonna feel left out and I don't want them to be sad.

[Des Bishop]

I love all the Hannah. You're like, we have to keep the Hannah's. Okay. They will revolt.

[Chris Olsen]

They're loud.

[Des Bishop]

They're loud. They could be pissed off.

[Chris Olsen]

They will forget, though. So, like, that's what we bank on. We're like, they forgot and now they're napping.

[Des Bishop]

No, I don't know where that quote came in my head because I was like, I always feel a lot of pressure sometimes to comment. I feel so much pressure. Well, I was just movies when I wrote Uncut Gems. And then I looked at so good. Then I'm lying there with butter and I'm looking at her and I said.

[Chris Olsen]

Have you ever worked?

[Des Bishop]

I said, you have a bad attitude. You treat people the wrong way. There's been bad reputation about you on sets, so you haven't even been invited to a set, and you look at.

[Chris Olsen]

Her and you're just like. You're not pleasant to be around.

[Des Bishop]

But I also. I was talking to Grace because I was like, we have to send her something. But I'm like, everyone's going to send her flowers. And, like, I'm special. Yeah, like, I'm special.

[Chris Olsen]

You didn't even fit my literally had to eat it same day. I was like, I'm not letting all this fruit go to waste.

[Des Bishop]

I said to you, don't leave it out because the gnats will come.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Not speaking from experience, but I did have an edible arrangement sit around for about a week, and we had to, like, burn.

[Chris Olsen]

Is that because you watch Sirens?

[Des Bishop]

No.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, no.

[Des Bishop]

But edible ranges, I think are, like, hilarious.

[Chris Olsen]

They are fun. Like, right when I saw. Because I, like, got home. And so, like, I saw it when I got off the elevator. And in my head, I was like, who the fuck send me a fucking edible Arrangement? And then opening the card, I was just like, wait, this is so funny. A girl sent me a meme, and it was like. It was, look, we don't like to talk political on Giggly Squad because, like, we want you to, like, have an escape. But someone sent me a meme and was like, I'm so sorry, but this is so giggly coded. And it was like, Elon Musk.

[Des Bishop]

Was.

[Chris Olsen]

Like, okay, you know what? You actually wouldn't have even won the. Won it without me. And then it was like Donald Trump being like, okay, well, we spent way too much money on you.

[Des Bishop]

Ginny and Georgia. Did you know it was coming out?

[Chris Olsen]

I met Ginny in Georgia.

[Des Bishop]

I knew it was coming out, but no one told me what episode. No one tells me anything.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, no. No one emailed us or anything.

[Des Bishop]

The kigglers were like, we love how you guys keep things secret. I'm like, we don't know what's going on. Sounds like I'm in the dark.

[Chris Olsen]

Like, you someone DM me and goes, what up? Episode? I go, I have no idea.

[Des Bishop]

So if you want to know, this stuff works. A year ago, they were like, can you guys record this? Virginia, Georgia. We're like, we'd love to. And we, like, just recorded it on our couch. And then we never heard. And then we never heard again from them. I was like, what?

[Chris Olsen]

At one point, I was like, they cut it.

[Des Bishop]

You know, I thought they did cut it.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, me too. Well, they cut that. It was Giggly Squad.

[Des Bishop]

It was going to be Giggly Squad.

[Chris Olsen]

Because it went more with the story that it was like a murder podcast, but so funny and so many people are watching.

[Des Bishop]

It's like number one on Netflix right now. So we are actors.

[Chris Olsen]

I feel like I always say this when I interviewed the cast of Ginny and Georgia at the People's Choice Awards. They were. Brianne. Howie was so nice to me. Like, they were just all really, really nice.

[Des Bishop]

She also looks nice. Like, you know, people have nice faces. Like, I'm like, you're sweetie pie.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Like, she can't be mean. And I actually met her at the Almost Pregnant premiere.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Where I kind of Pregnant premiere where I did the worm. Didn't see her after the worm event, but beforehand she was really, really nice. Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

One thing I wanted to bring up to you, I was texting one of my girlfriend friends.

[Des Bishop]

Okay. Start with a fight. And I noticed they send you Edible Arrangements.

[Chris Olsen]

No, I noticed her location and we were like, around the corner from each other. And so I was like, oh, I'm going to like, run to, like, where she is and just like, see on the street. She ended up, like, being in a hotel, like at a conference. And I was like, sorry, okay. I guess I can't come in. But then I got to thinking, you and I have never shared locations. Shared locations, ever. And I feel like I have all of my girlfriend's locations and they have mine. And there are so many times where I'm like, well, where is she?

[Des Bishop]

But is that part of the fun with us? It's like, where is she? Where is she? The only person who has my location is my mom.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

That's the only person. I don't have Dez's location.

[Chris Olsen]

Have I ever had a boyfriend's location?

[Des Bishop]

You've put tracking on.

[Chris Olsen]

Wait a minute. I don't think location sharing was a thing.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

Until like the past couple, like, couple of years, I feel like I didn't care.

[Des Bishop]

In our days when we would go out, I could see that being so fun to be like, are the girls out? And like, where is everyone? Like, you know, you're like, not sure if you should go out at like 9:30.

[Chris Olsen]

But if I was like 22 and I had a boyfriend, he had my location, that would have been worse. In no situation with that.

[Des Bishop]

See, my mom was just like, hey, you haven't moved for 49 hours.

[Chris Olsen]

I think don't ever share your location with a man.

[Des Bishop]

No. Never.

[Chris Olsen]

Even if that's your dad? No.

[Des Bishop]

Well, let's be honest. Dads don't know how to use. Yeah. They would never know my dad doesn't know how to post an insta story.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. But I don't think that a man should ever know exactly where I am or what I'm thinking.

[Des Bishop]

And put that on my tubes of thumb.

[Chris Olsen]

Put that on a T shirt.

[Des Bishop]

Put on a T shirt. I actually had a funny mistake, which aren't they all. Marilyn Monroe said that. I went to Pilates a long time ago in la.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And I signed up for it. And I felt so, like, organized. I signed up for Pilates in a different state. Like, that was like a new level of admin for me. And I get there and it's like she's like, she calls everyone's name and she doesn't call my name. And I was like, that's just for like, who's here?

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And I was like, that's weird. But like, whatever. And I continue doing my Pilates class, Whatever. I leave. Yesterday I get a notification that I missed a Pilates class in la. So I had signed up for a class like three months in advance and just showed up to class.

[Chris Olsen]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Three months ago you signed up for a Pilates class because you're like, oh, I'm going to be in LA in three months?

[Des Bishop]

No, I was in L. A signing up for that next morning. I think the months must have been like, wrong. Okay, so I signed up for a.

[Chris Olsen]

Random in three months.

[Des Bishop]

Showed up like, I signed up for the class.

[Chris Olsen]

Got it.

[Des Bishop]

Did the class, I guess with enough confidence.

[Chris Olsen]

What do you think the instructors were saying after, like, we had a vagabond.

[Des Bishop]

She doesn't even go here. They must have been like, a little confused. But I think, like, I fit in so well.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

That they were like, no one's scamming us. But like, I fully took a class for free, but then got me.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

So anyway.

[Chris Olsen]

Or they were like, she's mentally disturbed. Don't go near her. Just let her.

[Des Bishop]

She's just literally confused.

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[Chris Olsen]

Today I have a fun update, and I'm asking this because I want to know from the girls that have frozen their eggs. Okay, so I freeze my eggs. Great. Then the, like. Then that week after my retrieval, you're, like, waiting for your period. I get my period. Great. Have that for, like, seven days. Okay, that was, like, two weeks ago. My boobs, huge, massive, have not gone down whatsoever. I'm, like, looking it up. I'm like, is this, like, a side effect of, like, freezing your eggs? Like, are they? And they're like, not really. Like, it usually, like, goes down immediately after, like, you stop giving yourself the shots because then your hormones are going down. I don't know if my boobs just, like, didn't get the memo. I've never had bigger boobs in my life. I'm so excited, and I'm really praying that they don't go away, because then yesterday I was like, oh, I must.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just be getting my period again.

[Chris Olsen]

That's why they're so big. And so I texted Josephine because we've, like, synced up, and she's like, no, we have, like, two weeks left.

[Des Bishop]

I love when she says we, but I'm obsessed. Wait, it's giving. When girls were saying Accutane was making their nose smaller. Yes.

[Chris Olsen]

And some girls say Spironolactone makes their boobs bigger, but I didn't experience that when I was on Spironolactone.

[Des Bishop]

I, not a doctor, think that you actually needed estrogen and your Body's just, like, responding really well to it.

[Chris Olsen]

I truly think that when I hit puberty, something, like, didn't go.

[Des Bishop]

Something went right.

[Chris Olsen]

And then, like, I was fucked up from there on, because I. I was. I never had a regular period, even in high school, but no one said no. Everyone was like, like, okay, cool. It doesn't care.

[Des Bishop]

This is why hormones are, like, actually so important. And, like, men have hormones, too. It's just like, they're dealing with testosterone. We're dealing with estrogen. You dealt with testosterone. Do you. What? Do you feel different in other ways? Have you been nicer to people? Oh, God, no.

[Chris Olsen]

No, I, like, cried. I've been, like, more emotional a little bit, but not, like, overly emotional.

[Des Bishop]

Like, appropriate for a circumstance.

[Chris Olsen]

Yes.

[Des Bishop]

Like, not, like, numb.

[Chris Olsen]

Not like stone cold Steve Austin appropriate for a circumstance.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. You're reacting as you should have in the past.

[Chris Olsen]

Sometimes. Sometimes I'll have a reaction and I'll think in my head, yeah, that's a normal person. Keep doing.

[Des Bishop]

Wait. This is Paige. What would a normal person do if my best friend's.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, there's so many times where people expect you to be like, aw. And my immediate react just like, okay, get over it.

[Des Bishop]

That's what people are like. Can page act? I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

Do you know how many times I've had to pretend to care about a lot of things? And I'm like, wow, Oscar worthy. I don't give a fuck.

[Des Bishop]

Literal Oscar worthy. Well, I'm happy for you, but I would say the whole, like, finding your feminine energy, I think it's all, the right guy will love you.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

A la jojo siwa. No matter how masculine you are, be you. Be you. No feminine energy when it tells you to, like, be more quiet.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Or be more, like, astute to his needs. Him.

[Chris Olsen]

No, I like. You know how, like, girls say, like, you can see your mental illness through the people that you've dated? If you truly. If I truly went through my 20s and all of my boyfriends, I could tell you exactly what I thought about myself in that time period. And, like, I could tell you when I had high confidence. I could tell you when I had low confidence. I could tell you when I was, like, literally flailing. And this guy made it seem like. So it's.

[Des Bishop]

They say the person that you settle for is who you believe you deserve.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Which is straight up a fact. But then you think it's about some situations. And when you're dating a guy who likes. Yeah. You don't know if he's fully into it, and you don't know if you're even into him, but you're just like, want something? It's like, yeah, do you want him? Or do you want to talk about something that happened in your past that's still bothering you?

[Chris Olsen]

And also, if, like, someone doesn't like you back and you're, like, trying to get them to like you, you have to realize that they're triggering something, like, in you that you have to prove to them. Like, there are so many situationships. I feel like in my 20 where 20s where I was like, you don't like me.

[Des Bishop]

Perfect.

[Chris Olsen]

Now I have to move on. Why? I'm amazing.

[Des Bishop]

In your 20s, I think because you're still becoming who you are, you immediately don't think like, oh, he's not the right guy for me. You're like, oh, I did something wrong. Like, let me try that again. Like, yeah, I just had to reframe myself for him. Where now my 30s, if someone didn't like me, I'd be like, ew, you have horrible taste.

[Chris Olsen]

And I'm like, I actually don't like you first. I didn't like you first.

[Des Bishop]

I didn't like you first. Hot. Take two. Is that that the person you ultimately end up with also is going to, like, like, his demons have to be right for your demons. Yeah. It's still like solving a wound.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

It just. You hope that it's in, like, the healthiest way. So it's like, you're not gonna just find someone where everything's easy. It's more like, what wound works.

[Chris Olsen]

Like, when you started dating dez, did you go into it, like, being like, these are my wounds, or did you, like, not even know until you were, like, in it? And you're like, oh, he's helping me solve.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah, Well, I never dated an older guy before, so I like, I really was like, this is so random. Like, public schools is so random. Then everyone there's like, you have daddy issues. And I was like, I've never met a guy like this before. Why did I turn to Charlie xcx just, like, have a brat summer with an old man, like, whatever.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And I do think, like, every now and then he'll say something to me, though, that sounds like someone, you know.

[Chris Olsen]

We don't talk about is that Charlie XCX is, like, engaged, but, like, she's so decenters men that, like, people don't even know.

[Des Bishop]

Well, she's like me because we, like, love the gay community, but we, like, if we speak about Being straight, it's, like, embarrassing for us.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

George.

[Chris Olsen]

That's her husband or her fiance. George. Yeah, George. I love it.

[Des Bishop]

I was like, has anyone checked on George? But it does, like, do certain things like that I'll be like, oh, my God, my dad has said the exact same thing to me. Or, like, my brother would have said that. Or my. Like, he reminds me of family, which I think is important.

[Chris Olsen]

So important.

[Des Bishop]

But families, obviously complicated. Sometimes it's like, oh, this feels so like home. And sometimes I'm like, ooh, like, okay, that reminds me of a girl who, like, needed to hear that. Yeah. Kind of thing.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, interesting.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay, fine.

[Des Bishop]

Cute. Or sometimes you're like, oh, wait. When I heard that in my past, I would have reacted like this, but now react differently.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. It's because also, it's even like, friendships. Like, we bond for a certain reason. Like, you remind me of my whole family. Like, you are Nana.

[Chris Olsen]

You know, I think. You know what I think you remind me of? I think you remind me of, like, my childhood friend. And so I think there. I think that, like, when we first met, there was like, a certain, like, comfortability where, like, you were familiar. I was like, oh, you remind me of, like, my friend from middle school.

[Des Bishop]

It was giving. Like, we've known each other before. Also, I do feel like your relationship with Gary is. Your brother is similar to you and me, except Gary's like a. Well, no, he's shy.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

But then he's, like, not shy at all.

[Chris Olsen]

It's similar to our relationship because when we are together, it almost is like we're speaking our own language.

[Des Bishop]

Yes.

[Chris Olsen]

You know, like, we can joke with each other, and someone could be like, oh, what is that? And it's like, it would be too long to explain.

[Des Bishop]

Well, you'll, like, talk to someone else and be a completely different person than when you, like, turn to me and Gary. Like, I'm like, who was. Who was that? Who just talked to that person?

[Chris Olsen]

I was like, okay, okay, let's normalize. Everyone gets a very different version of me.

[Des Bishop]

But also, I would argue you are the same. People bring out different sides to you. Like, I've seen a lot of your sides.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And some people are luckier to have better sides. Yes. And that's the diplomatic way to put it.

[Chris Olsen]

That is so true. What?

[Des Bishop]

I also just realized, you know how it's true? We talk about it, like, if. If you start dating a guy and all of his exes are really different from you, not just, like, hair color. I'm saying like, completely different perspective to life or completely different way she carries herself. I think that's weird as fuck.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And I feel like with my friends, I'm the same way where, like, I've actually had, like, looking back, besides Becca, who, again, our friendship was based on humor and she was not girly at all. But, like, all my friends going back were like, girly and popular who, like, they liked something about me and they took me in. But they had. Some of them had, like, toxic traits that I was like, oh, like, I can't do this.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And like, it's got. I found, like, better people for me over time. But they're all, like, loosely.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, yeah. No, I could do that with girlfriends.

[Des Bishop]

Like, when I met Stephanie, I was like, oh, it makes so much sense. I'm not like a random kind of human. Like, you love these kind of people that are like, warm and I love.

[Chris Olsen]

I like loud people who are like, I. Oh, my God. And I just thought of another thing to say and like, oh, and have you heard about that? And, like, can just yap. Because I like to, like, take the pressure off myself and I can just sit and be like.

[Des Bishop]

But then it's funny when you really feel comfortable, you turn into the app.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. Then I'm yapping and you've been yapped.

[Des Bishop]

The yapper has.

[Chris Olsen]

You've been.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah, been yapped. Anyway, we love each other. We watched Materialists that's premiering in theaters only on June 13th. We got early access. I do have to say it is a star studded cast. We have Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, who is definitely up there in my celebrity crushes.

[Chris Olsen]

And every time I see him, I'm like, you get better looking.

[Des Bishop]

And that's Men, which is in a whole nother podcast. And then Pedro Pascal, who is the it boy, Daddy.

[Chris Olsen]

Wait, let me just say one thing before we like, totally get into the movie. Dakota Johnson. People don't talk about her style enough. And I feel like in the movie, movie, like, everything she wears, I'm just like, you look phenomenal. But, like, her red carpet style, she doesn't miss.

[Des Bishop]

She plays a dating coach. I think in another life I'd want to be a matchmaker. Like, I'm obsessed with matchmaking.

[Chris Olsen]

See, I feel like it's so stressful, but it's such a good depiction of, like, what our modern day romance is currently. Because I have so many friends who have dating coaches now. Really, like dating coaches and like matchmakers. Because people, like, are kind of sick of apps. I feel like.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

And so I keep seeing them on Instagram, like, pop up and all of this stuff. So I feel like it is a really good depiction of what it's like as a woman dating in your 30s, especially. Especially when you are over 30.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. Because they were saying it's like, these girls don't need it, but they're like, if I can have, like, pay a little more to have a luxury dating experience because I can afford it, I will. But I've never seen dating experience explained in such, like, cutthroat, like, not sugarcoating it ways where she was like, okay, we want a guy who makes over, you know, 150k at this height, and then if he doesn't have his hair, he has to make this amount of money.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

It was so, like, scientific data of dating.

[Chris Olsen]

And also gave you the other perspective of, like, men being in their 40s and being adamant that, like, they're not going over the age of 27. Like, there's one scene where she talks about marriage has always been a business decision and how, like, different it is for women now.

[Des Bishop]

It was just so interesting when it comes to dating.

[Chris Olsen]

It's also just, like, a classic love triangle that, like, has nuances and, like, very for today's world.

[Des Bishop]

Go see the film in theaters. See all these beautiful faces on a big screen. It's so cute. Rom com. Girls night out. I'm obsessed with this movie. Materialist is out in theaters June 13th.

[Chris Olsen]

I have to say something really sad.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is, like, so sad, and I.

[Chris Olsen]

Can'T believe I'm gonna say it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Sex in the City.

[Chris Olsen]

Like, the reboot. I'm such a defender of the reboot of Sex in the City. Like, last year, people were like, it's the worst show ever. And I'm like, guys, give it a freaking chance.

[Des Bishop]

Stretch.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. Like, who cares? We're literally watching for, like, the outfits.

[Des Bishop]

Like, everyone was, like, iconic. Like, like, she could do anything.

[Chris Olsen]

And you're like, right, it's fine. Like, okay, it's cheeky. It's a little, like, not as serious as the original series. And, like, guys, you're being too harsh. It's an entertainment show this season. I'm livid. I'm so livid because they're now they're. I think HBO needs to get it together.

[Des Bishop]

Okay.

[Chris Olsen]

HBO needs to get it together There. They're now ruining the original series. None of the characters are anything like how I would picture them to be in their 50s.

[Des Bishop]

Oh, no.

[Chris Olsen]

You're telling me that Carrie Bradshaw has a storyline where she's like, with her boyfriend of, like, 25 years ago. And it's about, like, phone sex. No, Miranda is not Miranda. So it's like, that's it. Why we even. Why even talking. Talk about it? Charlotte, like, she's not that ditzy. Charlotte is a strong, like, bring her back.

[Des Bishop]

Speaking as the Charlotte of the group, she's smart.

[Chris Olsen]

Bring her back. She had. Give her her own gallery that she had started. Like, why did you keep her as this housewife? Like, with fighting in the park about dogs? Like, no, no, that is not what Charlotte came out to be. I just.

[Des Bishop]

I hate to get heated right now with this energy. Let's keep it going. Let's reimagine where they should be right now. Now, where should.

[Chris Olsen]

So many different places, actually, the new characters, like, I like them better than the old characters.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. Because I feel like you have a vision for them that they're not, like, upholding.

[Chris Olsen]

And I'm so sorry. People were really mad that, like, oh, Miranda's lesbian now. No, that legitimately happened. But I'm like, okay, who cares about that? Like, that actually does happen so much. I. I liked that.

[Des Bishop]

Is she running for mayor?

[Chris Olsen]

No. Why not?

[Des Bishop]

Why not?

[Chris Olsen]

She's the ass lawyer. She's not some, like, oh, I don't know. Like, she should be dating, like, this other power lesbian who, like, runs the wnba. No. She can't even get a date on the show. And I'm like, oh, my God, guys, no.

[Des Bishop]

This is so antiquated. Just because she's a ginger doesn't mean she can't find love. That's so 1990s.

[Chris Olsen]

They make Carrie.

[Des Bishop]

So, like, Carrie should be, like, the fashion editor of anything. Anything, like a cool indie mag she's writing on.

[Chris Olsen]

Or, like, they have her living in this gorgeous home, though. So, like, I love that.

[Des Bishop]

She should be, like, the head, like, consultant for, like, the real real.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. Like, I make her. Okay, There's a woman, the woman that created Moda Operanti. It's like a clothing store. Make her that, like. What are you talking about? She didn't. Like, she's not doing anything in, like.

[Des Bishop]

Fashion, selling her vintage clothes while.

[Chris Olsen]

And I'm just like. I'm sure there's multiple women in their 50s that could have given you a list of actual problems that women in their 50s are going through. That's why I liked the original Sex in the City, because I thought, oh.

[Grace O'Malley]

My God, in my 20s, am I.

[Chris Olsen]

Gonna have to deal with that? What's.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God.

[Des Bishop]

It was so realistically raw to be, like, in your 30s, you're still getting up at bars sometimes and saying, what's my purpose?

[Chris Olsen]

The first season of Sex in the city, they were 32.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay. I think that also needs to be pointed out to the Facebook moms. But now I'm like, I wanted to watch this because what are some problems I might have in my 50s that I would have never even thought about? Not really.

[Des Bishop]

Not really.

[Chris Olsen]

Not really. And I'm livid.

[Des Bishop]

What should Charlotte be doing? Charlotte should be dating a hot equestrian guy.

[Chris Olsen]

No, Charlotte's married. Let's not put her in a divorce. Harry. Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Oh, he.

[Chris Olsen]

He's not.

[Des Bishop]

He should have gone to turkey by now. Come back with new hair. The storyline is, does she like him with his new hair period? That's three episodes right there. You're welcome.

[Chris Olsen]

Charlotte's a very, like. It's very mom focused with, like, her kids and stuff, which is like, fine.

[Des Bishop]

But I want them to.

[Chris Olsen]

But, like, I'm like, I'm like, Charlotte running around as, like, worrying about her kids getting into college is not. Charlotte's smarter than that. She has more things to. Yes, obviously worry about your kids getting into college, but, like, she's not running around gossiping.

[Des Bishop]

Some pre art prior.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Children doing well in school.

[Chris Olsen]

Fuck them. Like, no.

[Des Bishop]

But I do think I just. So many amazing women in their 50s, especially in New York City with the crazy. They should do a show where one of them, like, gets asked to do Housewives and she doesn't know what she should do. Like, make it realistic.

[Chris Olsen]

Put us in the writers room. That's what I'm saying. Carrie Bradshaw is also such an iconic television character. She chose to get married, not have children. Her husband died. She's now dating someone else.

[Des Bishop]

Else.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm sure that's so relatable to so many women, but it's like, why aren't you talking about the fact that she didn't have kids? Like, why don't you bring that? Why doesn't she. There'd be a whole episode of they.

[Des Bishop]

Don'T talk about it.

[Chris Olsen]

They don't really talk about it. She just kind of says, like, oh, I didn't have children. But it's like, I also think that's.

[Des Bishop]

So relatable to so many friend groups who, like, one friend decided to have seven kids. One friend has not. I just wanted it. One friend wanted kids, didn't have them.

[Chris Olsen]

I just wanted it to be more serious. And it's like, okay, this is like, not a real. Your storyline is like, like, like sitcom y. I thought it was gonna be.

[Des Bishop]

More like, I wonder if it's like different editors or different writers.

[Chris Olsen]

It's gotta be.

[Des Bishop]

It has to be.

[Chris Olsen]

Because, I mean, the fashion is a little wonky too. I'm like, guys, I get it. It's like different. And no one. It's very Emily in Paris. Like, it's over the top. I mean, Carrie always looks gorge.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

But like, no, it makes me sad.

[Des Bishop]

No, it makes me sad too.

[Chris Olsen]

It makes me sad. And I. So now I've like been watching the old, old stuff because I'm like, no, those are the girls. That's their personalities, their new personalities.

[Grace O'Malley]

Not even them.

[Des Bishop]

Maybe this is them in a different lifetime where things. Maybe they took Botox and it hit them wrong. No, they don't do work on their face, which, you know, never mind.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. Thank you for trying to make me feel better and epically failing. But it's. I just had to get it off my chest.

[Grace O'Malley]

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[Des Bishop]

I go to plays now.

[Chris Olsen]

No. What is going on?

[Des Bishop]

Because I think I'm better than you. Oh, you watched sex the last night I was at a play I was working for. People don't know I'm trying to go out to the Hamptons.

[Chris Olsen]

I got into the elevator today to come here and make sweet, sweet, sweet next door neighbor. He looks at me and he goes, did you go to the Tony Awards last night? And I was like, no, I didn't. And then I. And then in my head, I was like, little do you know on my podcast, I fucking hate musicals. I was like, no, but it looked like a lovely evening.

[Des Bishop]

The one thing I think you should see. Yeah, it's not a musical, so get that smug look off your face. Is. Oh, Mary. Have you heard of O Mary? So Kola Scola wrote a play. Pardon their name, Iskola.

[Chris Olsen]

Are they part of the Coca Cola fortune?

[Des Bishop]

They may or may not be.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay, sick.

[Des Bishop]

They wrote a play about if Abraham Lincoln's murder was actually good for Mary Todd Lincoln, his wife. And that Mary Todd Lincoln is an alcoholic, wannabe cabaret singer. And how she, like, why did they.

[Chris Olsen]

Make Mary Todd Lincoln? The way in dallasaps, they're like, she'll.

[Des Bishop]

Have a cabaret show and there's hints that Abraham Lincoln was gay. It is the funniest thing I've ever seen. I don't know if it was like, at first I was like, is it just, like, the room or the vibes? I thought it was the funniest thing I've ever seen. And I don't laugh at that. Things I want.

[Chris Olsen]

Wait, why is it so funny to actually think about how many gay men there had to have been in the 1700s?

[Des Bishop]

They're all gay.

[Chris Olsen]

I mean, capris were trending. You Think a straight man did Capri who wore wigs.

[Des Bishop]

Whenever they had a meeting, there was.

[Chris Olsen]

Someone that was like, wait, what about a high sock?

[Des Bishop]

They were ballet flats. Ballet flats.

[Chris Olsen]

Someone said, wait, let me put a bow. I think that'd be adorable.

[Des Bishop]

Also, they were like, I don't want to write without a feather. At the end of my pen, someone.

[Chris Olsen]

Was like, did you see Jordan. Gorgeous curls. Like, no. Literally get a proper blowout.

[Des Bishop]

Straight men with a full blowout weave. And then writing with feather pens. It's giving the Glee Blonde. No, it's. Then their signatures were. I'm sorry. Like, so.

[Chris Olsen]

Gorgeous.

[Des Bishop]

I've seen my brother write his own name. He looks like a fucking four year old. These guys are writing, like, in John Hancock. That's a gay signature.

[Chris Olsen]

How'd you even get that last name? That was around the time where you could pick them yourself.

[Des Bishop]

Also, hot take. Only men are allowed to go to war. It's giving. Golf trip.

[Hannah Berner]

No, giving.

[Des Bishop]

You guys all just want to go hang out and kiss each other. And then they love their accessories when they go to war.

[Chris Olsen]

No, the colonial men were gay. The.

[Des Bishop]

The, like, artfulness of their outfits is crazy.

[Chris Olsen]

I need a historian who, like, specializes in gay men in the 1700s.

[Des Bishop]

It's one thing if when they went to war, they were wearing, like, armor.

[Chris Olsen]

Right?

[Des Bishop]

They literally just wearing fancy outfits.

[Chris Olsen]

Because if you can compare them to, like, the. Who are like, the Norwegians. Oh, okay.

[Des Bishop]

The Gladiators or the Vikings.

[Chris Olsen]

The Vikings.

[Des Bishop]

The Vikings had, like, bones.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, the Vikings, like, are. You could tell. They're.

[Des Bishop]

Apparently, they, like, created STDs. The Vikings, like, they've spread their.

[Chris Olsen]

I could so see that.

[Des Bishop]

But, like, like, they probably had nice blue eyes.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, they had really good hair. I feel like, too.

[Des Bishop]

Sorry to say.

[Chris Olsen]

But anyway, so then, like, the colon. I feel like the colonial men were like, I'm not loving the hat wear.

[Des Bishop]

I also have. This is up. But, like, it's hard to know if someone's British or just gay. And, like, we are descendants. A lot of us of the Brits that came in. Not me and you.

[Chris Olsen]

No, not us.

[Des Bishop]

Not us. But it was the Brits. The Dutch.

[Chris Olsen]

We're not responsible.

[Des Bishop]

We're not involved in any of the original drama.

[Chris Olsen]

This play is not about us. Not about us.

[Des Bishop]

Trying to, like, make tomatoes.

[Chris Olsen]

No. My family.

[Des Bishop]

No, there was olive oil involved. We don't know what they were doing. Were we fighting the Mafia in Sicily? Yes.

[Chris Olsen]

But, yeah, we were doing literally other things.

[Des Bishop]

But so anyway, it was. The show was funny. Go see Omaze. And. But it's funny because I was like, I'm not gonna like this play about history. I hate history. I don't want to know about. I mean, we should learn from.

[Chris Olsen]

I do love a period piece.

[Des Bishop]

You love a period piece. The funniest thing about Cole's school is they were like. I did literally zero research on her, and this is just how I felt.

[Chris Olsen]

There's so many political figures and men that there's, like, I feel like so many rumors that they're gay. Like, there was a rumor that JFK was gay.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah.

[Chris Olsen]

His best friend never got married.

[Des Bishop]

There's a lot of roommate stories. A lot of roommates. If you're going to the south of France together, that's a honeymoon.

[Chris Olsen]

You're coming over for Christmas dinner, you're sleeping together that night. I mean, let's.

[Des Bishop]

I do have to say now that we're in our 30s, if you meet a guy in his 30s with a roommate. Okay.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Figure it out. Get us. I'd rather you have a studio.

[Chris Olsen]

Why don't more men want to be gay? We would like you so, so much more. Come out.

[Des Bishop]

I do think, though, in Hollywood, it's still, like, archaic, where if you find out the guy's gay, he's not going to get the leading Hollywood roles. So that's why a lot of them are in the.

[Chris Olsen]

No, all the Bridgerton men are gay, and I still love them. Are they just one.

[Des Bishop]

But is Jonathan Bailey and gay? I watch. When I watched Wicked, I touched myself to him.

[Chris Olsen]

No, his season of Bridgerton, his sex scenes with, like, the girl that he ends up marrying. Yeah. Like, you're. I'm in it.

[Des Bishop]

Do you know how I love why I love gay men? Which goes back to the beginning of what we talked about, because they are the ultimate. I can never have them. Like, they.

[Chris Olsen]

The ultimate challenge.

[Des Bishop]

I'm like, that man will never want to me, and that is my type.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. That's biological. They don't want to you.

[Des Bishop]

Jonathan Bailey is so good looking.

[Chris Olsen]

So good looking.

[Des Bishop]

Also, I watched the Tonys last night because I was.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, they were on tv.

[Des Bishop]

They were on TV last night.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, I didn't even know.

[Des Bishop]

I know. Well, I didn't tell you because it was a lot of singing, so I assumed.

[Chris Olsen]

I mean, I couldn't imagine.

[Des Bishop]

But this is the thing. It started with Cynthia Erivo.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

And she's like, I think she's gonna go down as like, a Whitney Houston of our generation.

[Chris Olsen]

I feel like they're gonna get, like, a ton of Oscars. This year.

[Des Bishop]

I just think it's weird that they didn't give them anything before because I don't like that whole, like, well, wait for part two to come out. I want my shit now.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. But I think that's true.

[Des Bishop]

That's so annoying, though.

[Chris Olsen]

I didn't even know there was a part two until a couple months ago.

[Des Bishop]

Neither did I. Yeah. And I'm worried about what's gonna happen. No one tell me.

[Chris Olsen]

I'd assume they're not doing another press tour.

[Des Bishop]

Oh, they are. Oh, I mean, these poor girls.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

But what's interesting, Interesting about Cynthia Erivo is she actually had an album come out in 2021 that no one listened to. And then Ariana gave her some, like, positivity and also, like, Wicked did so well, but now she's like, has another album coming out. But it's just so interesting. There's so many talented people that, like, put stuff out there and no one listens to it.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And it's like, you wonder. Yeah. I'm just so great that Cynthia found her way for us to be able to watch her host the Oscars and be amazing.

[Chris Olsen]

Host the Tonys.

[Des Bishop]

Sorry, The Tonys. The Tonys.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, she hosted.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah, she was the host. Yeah. She's, like, dominating.

[Chris Olsen]

Did she have, like, a ton of Alpha Channels changes?

[Des Bishop]

So many. She's wearing Schiaparelli in the beginning, which, you know, our brand.

[Chris Olsen]

You love.

[Des Bishop]

I'm. Yeah. Obsessed with.

[Chris Olsen]

You're amused.

[Des Bishop]

They reach out. Hey, we saw the Daphne shirt and we know you're behind it. Ben Stiller was there, which was random.

[Chris Olsen]

Why is Ben Stiller popping up everywhere?

[Des Bishop]

Well, he made a joke about the Knicks game. He's like, men, look, men love talking about the Knicks.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, they love it.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. The Knicks lost. I know. There's a big crossover between theater and sports fans, which is kind of funny, people.

[Chris Olsen]

That's funny. He's funny.

[Des Bishop]

Yeah. What else? Adam Lambert was there.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay.

[Des Bishop]

I love Adam. Yeah. Let him sing more.

[Chris Olsen]

Let him sink.

[Des Bishop]

Nicole Scher.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

She won a Tony. Oh.

[Chris Olsen]

And you saw that play and I saw. Well, you're sorry.

[Des Bishop]

No, I'm, like, in it. No, I was. I'm like, okay, interesting. I like. I'm keeping.

[Chris Olsen]

I feel like me talking shit about musical theater, it's, like, gonna get to a point where you're like, can you stop?

[Des Bishop]

Wait, can I put out a. I just had a intuitive moment.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

The same way how you were like, I hate cats. And I was like, now it's my mission.

[Chris Olsen]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Des Bishop]

In four years, she's gonna be starring as Roxy on Broadway.

[Chris Olsen]

No.

[Des Bishop]

No.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, if the money's right, obviously.

[Des Bishop]

Wait, you. I go to plays now.

[Chris Olsen]

No, you, like, go to plays now. I will say I went out on a date one time with this one guy. It was like, maybe like our second or third date and. Or was it our first? No, had it been like, our second or first, yeah, that would have been insane. And we went to a play and I remember feeling like, so New York City. We left at. I was gonna say halftime. We left at.

[Des Bishop]

It is. It does feel so New York.

[Chris Olsen]

It's so New York.

[Des Bishop]

I honestly prefer it to a movie. Movie.

[Chris Olsen]

Okay, come on now.

[Des Bishop]

You've hit your head, like, going to the movies. Like, if I'm gonna go somewhere, I want.

[Chris Olsen]

Are you kidding me?

[Des Bishop]

Sweat. I want to see people work sick.

[Chris Olsen]

You want to sit in a chair that's two sizes too small and stand in a line? And they don't even really have any good snacks.

[Des Bishop]

I just have Raisinets. You know, they do eight shows a week. It kind of schedule.

[Chris Olsen]

Look, it's crazy.

[Des Bishop]

They're all dying.

[Chris Olsen]

Honestly.

[Des Bishop]

They're all literally. We're at the Tonys. Like, I'm so tired. Thank you. I.

[Chris Olsen]

Have anyone on Broadway listened to, like, my Beta Blogger episode and was like, fucking loser. Suck it off. No, that's all I say when I go to plays. I'm like, and then they're gonna do this again.

[Des Bishop]

I told you. My, like, I had a demonic ex boyfriend who was, like, so negative all the time. And he was definitely depressed, but, like, I didn't see it because he's so hot, though. He was so. And he was miserable to be around, but no one knew. Everyone was just like, you guys are so happy together. I'm like, why, when I'm with him, do I feel like the world is full of doom and gloom?

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

I told this story before, but it's just so funny. At the end of the first half, he looks at me and he's like, this place is so obvious. This play, it's so stupid. And, like, he's smart.

[Chris Olsen]

Oh, you've told me this story. And he was like. He's gonna. You were like, he's gonna kill himself.

[Des Bishop]

He goes, it's obvious the main guy's gonna kill himself. I said, what? And I assume, like, he knows things, cuz he's smart and tall and hot. And I was like, wow. I literally missed that. I didn't see any inkling.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

That the man was gonna kill himself. And I'm like, this is gonna be really heavy, this play. So, like, it goes back on and the whole time I'm like, that man's about to die. Like, he's gonna take his whole life.

[Chris Olsen]

Lives.

[Des Bishop]

No one died. No one died. I left that play. I said, you're a sick fuck.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah, you should see.

[Des Bishop]

Get out of my life. Dated him for six more months.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. We have to plan your escape.

[Des Bishop]

But I. It is funny when you see, like, a list, people like Sarah Shook Snook.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Chevroy from Succession.

[Chris Olsen]

You're just like, saying, oh, yes. Okay. Yeah, she's on Broadway.

[Des Bishop]

Yes. The star of Hacks has her own show on Broadway.

[Chris Olsen]

No way. Oh, yeah, I did see that advertised and all.

[Des Bishop]

And then George Clooney.

[Chris Olsen]

George Clooney as a show. Babe, you are so when this summer.

[Des Bishop]

It's been.

[Chris Olsen]

Hold on.

[Des Bishop]

It's called I forget.

[Chris Olsen]

George Clooney is currently in New York right now doing Broadway. Doing a stint on Broadway.

[Des Bishop]

Yes.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, who's at the Lake Cuomo house?

[Des Bishop]

So it's interesting how these A listers, like, have all the money in the world. They've done all the biggest things, and they're like, you know what I want to do? Like, torture myself doing Broadway. But it's such a beautiful art, I guess.

[Chris Olsen]

Well, here's the thing, too.

[Des Bishop]

They want it. You got that.

[Chris Olsen]

There was no tick tock. There was no nothing. It was theater camps. If you wanted to be an actress, it was like, you have to go to this camp as a child in the summer.

[Des Bishop]

Or it was like, probably of theater training is what you're saying.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. So like, that is. I feel like how you broke into entertainment. Think about how many people they were probably friends with that they, like, came up and now they're like, oh, let's like, all be in it where we have kids, like, posting on YouTube and then rising to fame. So there's no like.

[Des Bishop]

But like, after watching oh, Mary, I was like, do we need to write a play? Like, I. I. Paige is like, no, I haven't slept in 32 years.

[Chris Olsen]

I'm tired.

[Des Bishop]

Grandpa.

[Chris Olsen]

No, we're not writing a play. Okay.

[Des Bishop]

Wait, you as Roxy, though.

[Chris Olsen]

No, I. No. Do you know how not only is that, like, physical energy, it's mentally. You have to memorize everything. You have to memorize the dance number at memorization. I am really good at memorization. I will say that. But then you have to physically go out there and do it. No, no.

[Des Bishop]

Were you ever diagnosed with dyslexia?

[Chris Olsen]

No, I just wanted to know. Did I say something recent?

[Des Bishop]

No.

[Chris Olsen]

No. We definitely something, but I'm too old now.

[Des Bishop]

Too late.

[Chris Olsen]

I can't do any of the dusting. They're like, you don't have to take. Take an exam. It'll figure itself out. That's been my response to everything.

[Des Bishop]

The kinks get worked out over time.

[Chris Olsen]

It'll figure itself out.

[Des Bishop]

Last weekend, DEZ had shows in Stanford, Connecticut.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And as a. Not a joke, but, like, I was like, oh, wouldn't it be fun if, like, I went with you and I, like, opened for you? But I was, like, joking.

[Chris Olsen]

I love. You're always letting the gigglers in on, like. Like, okay, so last time I tried hanging out with my husband, this is how I went about it.

[Des Bishop]

He on burner phone, does this whole thing. He's like, we have. I have a surprise guest coming to my Connecticut show. Like, I don't want to say who it is, but it's a big surprise. And we get off, and I go, who are you talking about? He goes, you. He's like, oh, I just said that. Like, I was. I didn't say it's gonna happen. He's like, oh, well, you don't have to, but I kind of hinted at it.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

And the next thing you know, we're driving an hour and a half to Stanford, Connecticut, and. But it was fun because I got to, like, kind of surprise the Gigglers and go on stage.

[Chris Olsen]

What were the vibes that Connecticut was giving? Like, will I move there and, like, have a family?

[Des Bishop]

Greenwich is fancy. Like, we had to go through Greenwich. It's its own world. It has a lot of greenery. Chris is from Connecticut. Do you want to speak to it, Chris? I think Paige ends up in Greenwich.

[Chris Olsen]

In Connecticut? Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

In Greenwich, specifically.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. How far is it from the city?

[Des Bishop]

Like, probably under an hour to get to Greenwich. Yeah. Your kids are gonna be such little douches. Such dicks. Not you, Chris.

[Chris Olsen]

Really? I do wonder, like, if we both, like, have boys. Like, I feel like, how many times in my head, like, when they're teenagers, I'll just be like, you're the worst.

[Des Bishop]

Well, because at the end, they will be boys.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

I hate to say boys will be boys. No, I can't give birth to a.

[Chris Olsen]

A boy.

[Des Bishop]

You're literally, like, adding to the world ending.

[Chris Olsen]

I hate to say it, but, like, I feel like I keep being like, oh, my God, I can't give birth to a boy. But, like, I'm going to be such a boy, Mom. I feel like I'm almost Going to, like, too girly to be a girly mom. Because I'm be like, no, that's mine, actually. Can't have that.

[Des Bishop]

Well, angel, our psychic said there is a boy waiting to come. So I think it's fully.

[Chris Olsen]

I think I love a boy first.

[Des Bishop]

I think it's going to be a boy. Last thing. I love starting this at the very end.

[Chris Olsen]

But.

[Des Bishop]

But have you considered, like, raising your kids in the city?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Des Bishop]

Cause I could see that for you if you're not, like, freaked out. It has incredible schools. The kids grow up around more diversity and more culture. Culture which is like, shapes who you are for a long time.

[Chris Olsen]

They're gonna go to the ballet.

[Des Bishop]

They could go to a play.

[Chris Olsen]

Yeah. I want them to be in a music theater camp just to see if they like it. And I want my daughter to walk out and be like, this shit is lame. And I'm like, that's my girl. All get in the car.

[Des Bishop]

I was hanging out with a mom in Connecticut this weekend, and she has kids who are like 16 and 12, and she literally looks at them and she's like, if you guys are gay, like, I actually want you to be like, it would be. And the boys are like, we're not gay. And she's like, but if you are, I would love you still. Are you sure you're not. She's like, poking, bothering. She's like, are you sure you're not gay?

[Chris Olsen]

Me too. You are literally every ex boyfriend. I'm like, I'd love you more if you were. Please.

[Des Bishop]

Do you think he's hot? It was. It's just so crazy. The different generations. I forgot I was gonna say that's okay. And I think that's how we know.

[Chris Olsen]

And that's how we'll wrap it up.

[Des Bishop]

That's how we know we're done.

[Chris Olsen]

Daphne is officially out launched. Thank you so much for ordering. I'm like, and if we do. And if we do run out of certain things, I just want to say this. If we do run out of certain things, we'll be restocking, like, later in the summer. I have one dress that, like, we're definitely putting out this summer because I need it to be out out. So if you didn't weren't able to purchase anything, don't worry, we're gonna. But also, it could have not been sold out. But I don't know. Now I'm like. But anyway, thank you guys.

[Des Bishop]

Love you guys. Bye.

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