Giggling about radio city, Molly-Mae, and anti-cuffing season

Summary

Giggly Squad Podcast Episode Summary
Title: Giggling about Radio City, Molly-Mae, and Anti-Cuffing Season
Host/Authors: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Release Date: January 21, 2025

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1. Reflecting on Their Radio City Tour Experience

Hannah and Paige kick off the episode by sharing their heartfelt experiences from their recent tour at Radio City. They delve into the emotional highs and lows of performing in such an iconic venue.

• Hannah (04:22): "My favorite moment, by far beyond. It doesn't compare to anything, is when me and you, by ourselves, walked out onto the stage... I instantly couldn't hold it in."

• Paige (04:50): Describes the overwhelming emotions, highlighting how emotionally invested they are in their work and their connection with the audience.

They humorously compare themselves to the Rockettes, joking about their fitness levels and dance skills, adding a lighthearted touch to their narrative.

2. The Molly-Mae Documentary Discussion

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the recently released Molly-Mae documentary. Hannah and Paige explore the impact of Molly-Mae's transparency and vulnerability.

• Hannah (35:36): "When you see certain people on TV or on Instagram... Molly Mae is one of those people where she just has this spark... I love her."

• Paige (35:52): Expresses admiration for Molly-Mae's authenticity, discussing how her struggles and successes resonate with their own experiences.

They analyze the "Molly-Mae effect," emphasizing how her genuine portrayal of personal challenges has inspired many, including their listeners. The duo critiques the double standards in how male and female influencers handle personal issues, advocating for greater empathy and support.

3. Navigating Anti-Cuffing Season

Hannah and Paige transition into a discussion about anti-cuffing season, a trend where individuals choose to remain single during colder months. They reflect on their personal preferences and societal expectations regarding relationships.

• Hannah (33:05): "I want to be wrapped in my sweatpants in a fur blanket with my fuzzy socks... I don't want to get hot."

• Paige (33:04): Shares her desire for independence during winter, mentioning her preference for personal space and self-care activities like watching documentaries.

They explore the cultural implications of anti-cuffing season, debating the merits of embracing solitude versus societal pressures to couple up during certain times of the year.

4. Social Media Authenticity and Influencer Culture

The hosts dive deep into the pressures of maintaining an "aesthetic" on social media platforms like Instagram. They discuss the anxiety associated with curating perfect grids and the impact this has on mental health.

• Hannah (41:06): "It just has to be, like, equal parts cohesive, but equal parts different and cool... It's all about, like, matching."

• Paige (41:24): Highlights the difficulty in defining what makes a grid aesthetic, emphasizing the subjective nature of beauty and presentation online.

They commend Molly-Mae for her honest depiction of the struggles behind maintaining an online presence, drawing parallels to their own challenges in connecting authentically with their audience.

5. Personal Relationships and Setting Boundaries

A candid conversation ensues about the complexities of relationships, particularly focusing on the dynamics of supporting partners with personal issues such as addiction.

• Hannah (54:29): "Our generation was kind of fed, 'Oh, a drinking problem is you wake up every day, you stop functioning if there's not alcohol inside of it.'"

• Paige (56:00): Emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and not allowing others to drain your energy, especially in toxic relationships.

They advocate for self-awareness and the necessity of prioritizing one's well-being over trying to fix or support a struggling partner, promoting healthy relationship practices.

6. Embracing Self-Care and Personal Growth in 2025

Hannah and Paige share their personal goals for the year, focusing on self-care routines like Pilates, cooking healthy meals, and prioritizing mental and physical health.

• Hannah (65:30): "I started working out three times a week, and it, like, I haven't even thought about it."

• Paige (66:19): Describes her initial struggles with Pilates and how it has become a pivotal part of her self-care regimen.

They encourage listeners to adopt similar practices, highlighting the transformative power of consistent self-care and fitness routines in fostering personal growth and resilience.

7. Music, Dance, and Personal Interests

The hosts discuss their musical tastes and dancing abilities, using humor to navigate their insecurities and preferences.

• Hannah (21:36): "ASAP Rocky is Mary."

• Paige (22:28): "Is she a good dancer pretending to be a bad dancer. Is she a good dancer but she's just drunk right now?"

They playfully critique societal expectations around dancing and self-expression, advocating for authenticity and self-acceptance regardless of perceived skill levels.

8. Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

Towards the end of the episode, Hannah and Paige express their continued support for Molly-Mae and discuss their upcoming live shows across various cities, emphasizing their commitment to connecting with their audience.

• Hannah (69:43): "Molly, we love you so, so, so much."

• Paige (70:24): Announces additional live show dates, inviting listeners to join them in cities like Nashville, Las Vegas, and Portland.

They wrap up by reiterating the importance of community, vulnerability, and mutual support, leaving listeners with a sense of empowerment and anticipation for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Hannah (04:22): "I instantly started crying, which is so not."

• Paige (05:16): "Like, who's in power and why and, like, what algorithm they're trying to push on us."

• Hannah (35:36): "She just has this spark, this like, she's a star type of thing."

• Paige (33:04): "I actually just want to watch murder documentaries and fart on my own, and I don't need someone to cuddle with."

• Hannah (41:06): "It's all about, like, matching."

• Paige (56:00): "That's called boundaries."

• Hannah (65:30): "I was literally gaslighting myself."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Giggly Squad, Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo offer an authentic and engaging exploration of their experiences with live performances, societal trends, personal relationships, and self-care. Through laughter, vulnerability, and insightful discussions, they create a relatable narrative that resonates with their audience, encouraging listeners to embrace their true selves and prioritize their well-being in the journey through 2025.

Transcript

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[Jacqueline]

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[Hannah]

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[Hannah]

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[Jacqueline]

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[Hannah]

Want, wherever we want, whoever we want.

[Jacqueline]

And I could not be more obsessed with that because as women, I feel like we need to celebrate more parts of ourselves. And that's truly what we do at Giggly Squad. Because on Bumble, you can date how you are. So for me, it's New Year. More me. And so if you're ready to date exactly how you want, Bumble is the best dating app for my single girls with Bumble Premium. Their features help show more of what makes you you, whether that's your personality, what you're into, what you want from a relationship. Bumble will let matches know from the get go. Bumble spotlights what you have in common with potential matches, making it easier to see if they're a fit and giving you a shared interest to start a conversation. You can also now filter profiles by interest, making it easier and quicker to find people who like what you like. So 2025 New Year more you join Bumble. Sup, Gigglers?

[Des]

Gary, fix your WI fi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed. I mean, the day just got away from me. Hello, my Radio City Gigglers. Even if you weren't here this last week, we felt you at Radio City.

[Hannah]

No, literally, we're basically the.

[Des]

The Rockettes. If they had an attitude problem, if they were very grumpy and didn't like to actually go to the gym, we are.

[Hannah]

We are out of shape.

[Jacqueline]

Rockettes.

[Des]

Yeah, the Rockettes never left their bed and just send each other memes all day. Dude, shout out to the Rockettes.

[Hannah]

Shout out. I love them. You want to know what? I've never seen the Rockettes ever. And I feel like that's so, so not page coded.

[Des]

That's so not page coded. I saw the Rockettes and it's funny, when you're younger, you literally are like. They just seem like Barbie dolls. Also, you're dying. You're, like, sick.

[Hannah]

I actually think I have bronchitis.

[Des]

Can you spell bronchitis? There's an H then.

[Hannah]

No.

[Des]

You'Re like. You get.

[Hannah]

You got me a silent H. Get the fuck out of here. No, I don't do silent Hs.

[Des]

Quick. Okay, highlights of Radio City. I'll start.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Des]

Or you start.

[Hannah]

My favorite moment, by far beyond. It doesn't compare to anything, is when me and you, by ourselves, walked out onto the stage at, like, 5:00, before any. Before the doors opened. I. I instantly started crying, which is so not. I got so overwhelmed by looking out into, like, the empty crowd and standing on that stage that I instantly couldn't hold it in.

[Des]

And Paige never cries. So I was like, that meme where, like, you're holding, like, a broom and you start tapping your friend to be like, are you feeling better? Like. And then I was, like, hugging you, but then I was like, does she need space? Like, but yeah, you. I also think, like, you'd been holding it in a bit.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

And you know when you start crying over something, but then it keeps going and you're like, okay, you just tripped.

[Hannah]

You had one trip.

[Des]

Because life is so difficult.

[Hannah]

I think it's also for us. Like, I feel like, not to sound, like, sappy or whatever. I feel like when we started Giggly Squad, even up into. Up until we started our tour, there was so much noise about, like, oh.

[Des]

Giggly Squad is stupid.

[Hannah]

And, like, what do they even do? And, like, oh, they just, like, talk to each other and they think they're so cool.

[Des]

And like, okay, that's literally just for men. But continue.

[Hannah]

No, that's. No, that's what I mean. Like, to have someone in your ear constantly of being like, what is this tour? And, like. Like, do you really think you're going to, like, blah, blah, blah, whatever, to stand in that moment and just be like, suck my dick.

[Des]

Like, so Sicilian.

[Hannah]

We're so.

[Des]

We're so Sicilian.

[Hannah]

You use Jojo Siwa. Karma.

[Des]

Wait, okay, so I get this video of me doing the worm slow mo. And I was like, this. I have to post this.

[Hannah]

It writes itself. It writes itself.

[Des]

But then I was like. I was like, do I do a Glorilla? Do I do Frank Sinatra? I went through all of them and then I just. Funny. Click Jojo Siwa. And I was like, wait, why is this fucking perfection? But this is for all those people out there who might be going through something or you feel like you've been wronged in a way or people are out to get to you. First of all, if people are out to get you, that means you're shining. That means they're trying to dim a light that you have. You might not see the light, but they see it, and that's why they're trying to dim it. And if you keep working hard, you will rise ab it all.

[Hannah]

No, my enemies have been working overtime. I actually don't know where they find the hours I make. Tik Tok's back. Why don't you take a breather? Take a minute.

[Des]

I just have to say, what happened with Tik Tok, was that not Tik Tok just being like, gotcha.

[Hannah]

No, Tik Tok is a giggler. It literally came back and was just like, gotcha, gotcha.

[Des]

But okay, why? I know people love trends, but when everyone was just, like, revealing secrets and I actually wrote a couple. What. What was that trend? Why are people acting like the world was gonna end? I'm like, guys, why are we acting like this is the last time we're gonna see you ever? And we're all going off the face of the earth.

[Hannah]

Here's why I have a small circle of friends, and it's because I truly don't believe that anyone, like, gets me as a person. Some of the information these bitches were putting out, you'd have to waterboard out of me.

[Des]

I wrote some of my favorite ones. First of all, it came out that, like, this influencer who's everyone's paying a lot of money for her glute workouts has a bbl.

[Hannah]

No. No way.

[Des]

That's a lot of them. That's a lot of them. It's giving Legally Blonde, when she was like, I was getting liposuctioned. It's the same thing, and girls are all upset. Then a girl who does workouts was like, I want to let you guys know, I wasn't doing any of the workouts. It's like. And then a girl who. Her whole thing was making coffee every day was like, I've never drank the coffee.

[Hannah]

Oh, wait, that's fucking hilarious.

[Des]

And then she was a coffee influencer. Yeah. And then some of the girls were like, yeah, I've been on Ozempic.

[Hannah]

I liked those ones.

[Des]

Yeah, I loved those. I felt like it was a time for people to. It was. It felt like the Titanic, where we're all about to get off, and you're like, anyone want to say anything? Anyone get anything off their chest? And then the Titanic didn't sink.

[Hannah]

They were like, oh, wait, actually, we found a life raft. And you're like, okay. You know the Sebastian Maniscalco skit where, like, his. I think it's the name of one of his specials where he's just like, aren't you embarrassed? Like, when people were crying? And then it came back, I was like, aren't you embarrassed?

[Des]

Like, delete it when it was gone for a night. Well, first of all, everyone freaked out because they did it early, which was fucked up. Like, don't say it's going down on Sunday. And then it goes down early. And everyone was probably, like, enjoying their last couple moments. But let's be honest, people low key had the most freeing couple hours of their life.

[Hannah]

No, I started. When it came back, I actually felt like, oh, my God. I'm, like, trapped by social media. Like, even if you get away from it, it's like, it's. People are still on there.

[Des]

Yes. Yeah. It's like when Instagram goes down or even, like, Covid. We all, for a second, we're like, oh, well, I'm not feeling guilty for not, like, going outside, because no one's going outside. That's how I felt. But people were posting the funniest tik toks when I came back. Someone was like, I had so much fun learning about who my kids are last night.

[Hannah]

Oh, yeah, I saw a bunch of women being, like, decided to get to know my husband last night. He's pretty cool.

[Des]

I actually started reading. I learned how to read yesterday.

[Hannah]

No, there was a moment when, like, that Sunday when I was like, oh, it's going down tonight, that I was like, maybe I'll start puzzling. Maybe I'll get a hobby.

[Des]

No, I was like, should I become a painter? Yeah, I think it was beautiful, but also, like, so many people are able to monetize it. And.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I mean, that part is like, I'm so happy for, like, the small business people who have, like, their whole lives have changed. Like, that's. But they're hustlers, so they would have, like, hustled somewhere, figured it out. Like, I. Like, if you started a small business and were able to quit your corporate job and, like, live, you. You're a fucking hustler, and I'm proud of you.

[Des]

I just want us to all keep our eyes open. Like, I am just worried about, like, who's in power and why and, like, what algorithm they're trying to push on us. But hopefully it just helps us all get that bag and be entertained, whatever you do. One more thing about the Gigglers. When I feel like we're performing for the Gigglers, I don't feel like it's like, we're the stars and they're, like, fans.

[Hannah]

Like, no, I felt like we all made it.

[Des]

Yeah. But also, like, in the crowd, like, they're, like, joking back at us.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Which is, like, the comments.

[Hannah]

No. So many girls in the front were saying comments that then I repeated into the microphone because it was fucking hilarious.

[Des]

They're fucking. They're in it with us. It felt like a big, crazy brunch. And then we did a Q and A at the end, and this girl raises her hand, and she's like, can I come on stage?

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Paige was like, do you have a gun? Like, there's, like, has to be some more context to this.

[Hannah]

No. Also, there is never any security at Giggly Squad, because I don't think the men at the theater know what's about to go down.

[Des]

So, like, we've had security straight up be like, if something did go down, I can't take on 6,000 girls.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And we're like, what do you want me to do? We know you a girl.

[Des]

We're not going to let you touch her. Don't fucking touch her. So then she's like, can I just go on stage and show you something? And in that moment, I'm like, okay, She's a Giggler. Like, we let her do anything.

[Hannah]

Yeah, do whatever you want.

[Des]

Do whatever you want. So she goes on stage and we start. We're like, are you doing the worm? Like, what are you doing? And she's like, just watch. Just watch. She does like a rockette kick down into a split. Yeah.

[Jacqueline]

She was perfect.

[Des]

The whole crowd loses their mind, and I'm like, wait, all of you could be on stage right now. It was like a talent show for the Giggler.

[Hannah]

No.

[Jacqueline]

It's so crazy.

[Hannah]

One girl posted, and it really just. I just felt like such a feminist icon. It made me so proud of us. She was like, Giggly Squad is proof that women do not dress for men. There is not a man in sight at Giggly Squad unless he is a taken boyfriend. And. And if that's the case, we're not looking at him. So the girls coming in their outfits. I was just so proud to be a girl. Also, New York City, the girls can dress, honey. Like, they looked so fucking good, the girls.

[Des]

It's so funny, too. Who's dressing for you and who's dressing for me? Yeah, and it's to the point that, like, I feel bad complimenting a girl who's clearly so page coded, because I almost feel like she'll be insulted if I think her outfit's cute.

[Hannah]

No, the ties and, like, the bows, it was just, you know where you are.

[Des]

It was a perfect synergy.

[Hannah]

Radio City truly felt like the new House of Scientology, you know?

[Des]

Well, someone said something like, TikTok is the new TV movies. Like, watching a movie on TV is like the new movie theater. And then movie theaters are like the new concerts. And then concerts are like a full cult meeting.

[Hannah]

Yeah. No, we had. We started a cult. We low key started a cult.

[Des]

Joel Olsteen for Hot girls.

[Hannah]

It's crazy. We started on Instagram live with like 3, 000 girls.

[Des]

See, that's why when people be talking about Instagram, I'm like, look, we put.

[Hannah]

Some respect on it.

[Des]

Put some respects on Instagram lives during COVID for keeping us afloat during our dark, dark demon.

[Hannah]

What a time to be alive that was.

[Des]

What a time to be Alive. Also, I do have to say, I used to think that, like, straight guys should come on. Come to Gigley Squad if they were smart. Because it's just all, like, the hottest, smartest girls who. Funniest girls, most successful girls in every city, like, come together that in a show. But then I realized the girls, by the end of the show, want to stone a man. Like, it's actually unsafe for them.

[Hannah]

No, I feel, like, the empowerment when you leave a giggly squad show, you're like, I can do anything. Like, I truly feel like the next President of the United States was in the crowd, you know, and she was wearing a tie.

[Des]

You know, like the gigglers in the male bathroom. And then there'd be, like, a dude in the bathroom, and they literally beat his ass to be like, get out of here. It's for the girls.

[Hannah]

One of my. One of my girlfriends came to the show, and her boyfriend after the show was like, you know, I was in the men's bathroom, and I was uncomfortable. Should I not be in there? I was like, no, get the fuck out of there. Hold it. No.

[Des]

And now you know how it feels to be a woman 247 on this earth.

[Hannah]

He was like. The line was crazy. I'm like, well, that's where we make friends, okay?

[Des]

So my dad actually could not come to Radio City because he had Covid who knew that that was a thing in 2025. And, like, he got it bad. Like, he was out for the count.

[Hannah]

He was down bad.

[Des]

So I down down bad. So I call him. Yes. No. He called me. Humble bragging, which we joke about. Like, when your dad calls you, two things are happening.

[Hannah]

He didn't mean to. It was a butt dial or your entire family is dead.

[Des]

So I was worried. He goes, hey, I'm so proud of you. I saw the photos. You guys looked amazing. I'm really excited for your book to come out. And I was like, what? Like, that's in April. What are you talking about? And he goes. My ma. He goes, your. Your mom sent me, like, a copy of the final book, and I read it all weekend, and I was like, wait, what? And he goes, it's the best book I ever read. I was like, what? And he goes, no. He goes, I feel so inspired. But I was laughing. He goes, this book is gonna be amazing. And I'm like, dad, we didn't even get a quote from you on the back of the book. I didn't even know you knew we had a book coming out.

[Hannah]

Wait, can I add that we literally set up a play date with our dads. And I felt like. I felt like your dad. I felt like my dad was being like, can I have a sleepover with Danny? Or like, is that okay? You know, like, when my dad heard that your dad wasn't coming to Radio City, my dad's whole night was ruined.

[Des]

He was like, he was so upset. And when I said Covid, he thought I was lying. And then my dad goes, call him. My dad goes, how's Gary? And I was like, gary's great. And he goes, can I text him? Like, is that weird? I'm like, I don't even know if Gary has a. If Kim lets Gary have a phone.

[Hannah]

One note so funny is my dad doesn't have an email address.

[Des]

I see. That's the energy I was getting.

[Hannah]

That's the energy my dad gives. The energy my father gives is. I don't know. Ask him. Like, why the fuck would I have an email address?

[Des]

Why are all moms so much better with technology than dads? Like, my mom has Facebook, Instagram. She knows how to.

[Hannah]

Women put in the time. They put in the time to learn what they don't know.

[Des]

Cuz men wanted to be the 50s still when they still were in power. So they're not updating anything. I love that he doesn't have an email.

[Jacqueline]

No.

[Hannah]

We truly have the epitome of girl dads.

[Des]

Yeah, my dad, remember at the Knicks game, we took a photo and I was like, okay, I'll post it on your Instagram for you. And he goes, put it in an Insta story. And I was like, you don't want to put me on your grid. And he's like, no, I like to see who's looking at it.

[Hannah]

And I was like, my mom thanked me the other day for putting her on my grid. She was like, that was really sweet of you. I was like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed with you guys.

[Des]

Well, I'm glad one of our parents wants to put. Wants to be on someone's grid. No, my dad straight up was like, do not put our photo on my grid. I don't want that. It's gonna ruin my grid.

[Hannah]

Okay, wait, speaking of grids, what do you think about Instagram changing the, like, length of the photo?

[Des]

That threw me.

[Hannah]

It threw me. And everything's like shifted to the left.

[Des]

We organized. Yeah, it's not done. I feel like they're like in the middle of something, but it's like we put it as a square so when you make it longer. Also now I don't know what's look again. We never, like, change.

[Hannah]

And social media is like, going through it right now. Social media is like Mercury in retrograde. They're like, trying to figure out their path.

[Des]

Yeah. And like, I support it. It's just. Do you remember when we got so upset about insta stories? Like, we lost our mind. We were like, this is Snapchat. This is just Snapchat. Like, we were so mad.

[Hannah]

Wait for the longest. I couldn't put music on my grid or my stories. I just got it fixed right before Radio City. Thank God.

[Des]

Thank go. We both went differently. I did Frank Sinatra, old school. And you went like Cameron.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I went. I went old school rap Camron.

[Des]

So Paige is back in her music era.

[Hannah]

Sure am.

[Des]

And one thing we don't tell the gigglers, which is I forgot because you. I don't think you listened to music for like four years, which was disturbing. Which we should have checked on that. You're like, it was too loud up here. Yeah.

[Hannah]

I was like, there's so much noise in my brain, I couldn't actually think about listening to someone else.

[Des]

One thing about me and you is we love hardcore popping, misogynistic, offensive up rap. Like, we were getting our makeup done and I was like, let's put music on.

[Hannah]

At one point, I think your mom was like, oh, oh, no. Is this getting you guys pumped up?

[Des]

I was like, actually the most female empowering green room. Like, so powerful. And I'm like, put on some rap about fucking bitches and.

[Hannah]

And strip getting money.

[Des]

Yeah, money. We. We do have the same taste in music.

[Hannah]

I told someone, they were like, oh, what's like your walkout song? And I was like, actually, it's like, asap, Rocky. Like, problems. And they were like, problems. They were like, wait, really? Like, I would have thought you guys would have had something like poppier, like girlier, like a female rapper. And I was like, I don't know. It was the first ever song from the very first live we ever did. And we've never changed it because it is just such a vibe. And I feel like when we're walking out, it's like we're saying to the girls in the crowd, like, you're a bad bitch.

[Des]

Like, yes, I love bad bitches. That's my fucking problem. And yeah, I like to fuck. I got a fucking problem. That's some empowering shit that we have taken.

[Hannah]

Yeah, no, I've taken that. Whatever. Asap. Rocky is Mary.

[Des]

He's a girl's girl.

[Hannah]

One of the most Feminist bitches on the planet who is like an icon runs shit. So, like, if he, if anyone knows, it's him.

[Des]

So my new walkout song, because I've been doing fucking problems forever for my nude stand up, I'm coming up with ASAP. Ferg. I don't know what's going on with the ASAPs.

[Hannah]

We love an ASAP.

[Des]

I don't know the history of the ASAP, and it's with the money signal, but I'm doing new level. So I come out going, I'm on a new level. I'm on a new level. Put these in the dirt. Chain me with a new bezel.

[Hannah]

You know what's crazy is like, I can't. I have zero rhythm. I can't even dance.

[Des]

I feel like you're the kind of dancer that like, every now and then, you can.

[Hannah]

Every now and then if it hits me, I can do it, but if I think about it too much, I can't.

[Des]

Like, if someone watched you for an extended period of time, they'd be like, this is horrible. But like in a 10 second insta story, they'd be like, oh, she's kind of a good dancer. She's just holding back right now.

[Hannah]

Yeah, that's the energy I want to give. I want to, I want you to wonder, is she a good dancer or not?

[Des]

Yeah, like, is she a good dancer pretending to be a bad dancer.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Des]

Is she a good dancer but she's just drunk right now? Yeah, that's the energy we want to give.

[Jacqueline]

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[Gary]

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[Des]

I was with Caroline Banowitz this other weekend starting my new material shows, and she's one of my Gen Z best friends. She considers me Gen Z. I've never asked her, but I assume, right? There was one of those moments where I realized I was older than her.

[Hannah]

Stop. Oh my God, those are so humbling. What was yours?

[Des]

It was. It was humbling. Oh my God, I'm gonna gag.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Like, it's just weird because we're both Gen Z. So we at an Ashley Simpson song comes on because I was doing my Angry Woman playlist and I was like, I fucking love this song. And she's like, it's so good. And I go, I miss her old nose. And she goes, what?

[Hannah]

Pardon?

[Des]

And I was like, ashlee Simpson's old nose before she got a nose job. And she goes, ashleigh Simpson got a nose job.

[Hannah]

My Ashley Simpson is brunette on snl. Lip syncing. That's my Ashley Simpson.

[Des]

That is the only Ashley Simpson I've ever known and ever will know. And I don't accept this new. This new Ashley Simpson is A.I. okay. And she's like, she had no job. And I go showing her the photos and she's like, oh my God, she's so cute. And I'm like, were you three?

[Hannah]

Hello. Ashley Simpson has been that bitch. She will always be that bitch. She one of the one things I love about Ashlee Simpson is that, like, had a career. Awesome. Amazing. Everyone loved her. And then she was just like, fudge it. I'm getting married and, like, having kids and doing whatever the fuck I want. And, like, loves her husband.

[Des]

She got so much backlash.

[Hannah]

So from that SNL night where it's.

[Des]

Like, nowadays, I don't.

[Hannah]

People just wanted to hate on her because, one, they were mad that she, like, got a career from her sister, which, like, if you're the older sister and you're a megastar, what the fuck else are you gonna do but help your sister out?

[Des]

It's not like she was copying her sister. She was a completely different vibe of, like, punk and way different and badass and baggy jeans and. And grunge and, like, it was so great.

[Jacqueline]

Two things that stick in my head.

[Hannah]

About, like, that time of life is Ashley Simpson getting berated from SNL and them calling Jessica Simpson fat when she was a size 6.

[Des]

Jessica Simpson is getting separated from her husband.

[Hannah]

It's breakup season, so it's Jessica Alba.

[Jacqueline]

So it was Kaia Gerber.

[Des]

So is Rachel from the Bachelor.

[Hannah]

Something's in the air, and women are like, hey, you know what? No. Gary, can you get me a water and an oxygen tank and an oxygen mask.

[Des]

I do think that I'm kind of loving this breakup season because normally this should be cuffing season, but I feel like for the girls, they're like, it's winter, and I actually just want to, like, watch murder documentaries and fart on my own, and I don't need someone to cuddle with. Cuddling overrated.

[Hannah]

Get out of here.

[Des]

Like, summer is fun. You're hooking up, you're tan, you're making out with guys. Winter. Don't fucking touch me. Okay?

[Hannah]

No. Like, I want to be wrapped in my sweatpants in a fur blanket with my fuzzy socks, and if you're also under my same blanket, I'm gonna get hot, and I don't want to get hot. You know? Like, I've. I have the perfect temperature right now. Get your freaking sweaty balls away from me.

[Des]

Do you know, in certain other countries and cultures, partners have their own duvets, and that's nice. Yeah. I don't know why we're for. I mean, the whole sleeping the same bed thing.

[Hannah]

I'm so down to have separate bedrooms with my husband, but, like, sleep in the same bed at night. Like, I'm so down to go to his bedroom at night and sleep and then, like, keep my room pristine. And, like, my Stuff I think that should be more normalized. Like, we have separate rooms, but, like, if we want to sleep in the same bed every night, like, we can. But, like, I'm gonna go back to my. The morning also, like, I feel like that sounds like, spicy. Like.

[Des]

Yes.

[Hannah]

You know, like, miss me?

[Des]

Do you want to sleep with me tonight? And it's like, I don't know. We'll see. I might come in later.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like. Like, I'm gonna watch my shows first, and then, like, maybe I'll come in. Like, you can, like, change your pajamas, be a whole new. Or you can lock the door and put a chair in front of it and say Ben for your self.

[Des]

I told you. During my naughty years, my early twenties, when I was dating the guy Craig from Craigslist, and we were hiding our.

[Hannah]

Which I feel like just doesn't get talked about enough.

[Des]

It doesn't get talked about enough. But we. And we didn't want the other roommates to know we were hooking up. We would be the last to be watching TV together on, like, separate couches. Just happened to both be watching a show.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

And then we'd go into his room, and then at like, 5, 4, or 5am I'd go back to my room. And then in the morning, I'd pretend I was, like, so grossed out and annoyed by him in front of the other roommates. Like, he's making oatmeal again.

[Hannah]

Ill. No, I mean, how girl.

[Des]

An Oscar.

[Hannah]

No. It's. It's so fun to, like, have a little.

[Des]

Will they. Won't they?

[Hannah]

You know? Yeah, well, they won't they.

[Des]

I'm trying to think what I. What I do with Des is I fall asleep on the couch, and he's like, I'm going to bed. Can you please come in soon? And then I lied to him, and I'm like, I'm literally right behind you. And then obviously, I get a second wind, and suddenly I need to scroll every single app, and then I need to, like, start a Molly May documentary. And then I come in at 2am and wake him up.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

Accidentally.

[Hannah]

Let's talk about the Molly. Let's get to it.

[Des]

I. I watched all three episodes last night for you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, same.

[Des]

And I'm a fan, but I knew that we were going to discuss the.

[Hannah]

Way I loved her prior to this documentary. There's something. Here's the thing.

[Des]

What do you think is the Molly May effect?

[Hannah]

Here's what I'm gonna say. When you see certain people on TV or on Instagram or on TikTok and you see these influencers. There are a hand there now. There's a lot of people that can get a lot of followers, go viral, say something crazy, get a little, like, traction. There are a handful of people that when you see them on a screen, you feel it in your soul of like, they have something. Like, they have some it factor. They have some type of star quality. You can't pinpoint it, but you're like, they make me feel a different way than just like, scrolling all these influencers. Molly Mae is one of those people where she just has this spark, this like, she's a star type of thing. Like when she appeared on the screen on Love Island, I. I didn't know that she was like a famous influencer in England. She had had some. She had followers, but she was nowhere as famous as she is now. When she walked into that villa, I was like, she's a star. I don't give a fuck about any other girl in this house but her. And she was full blonde, and that's usually not my type. And I was like, I love her.

[Des]

And that was a season, the first season me and you ever watched together during the COVID season of summer house when we were trying to stay in bed because whenever we left, we'd have to fight with people.

[Hannah]

So we were just trying stay in our damn lane. Look, we tried. We tried to stay in our own lane.

[Des]

People didn't know we were trying.

[Hannah]

I said, let's learn some English slang that'll keep us occupied.

[Des]

But you know what is Molly Mae is very page coded where, like, I didn't feel that connection to her.

[Hannah]

Okay.

[Des]

Like, you immediately were like. Everything where I was like, I was like, I like her, but I cute girl. Yeah, I wasn't. I think also, yeah, we, me and Paige are different with, like, people who.

[Hannah]

We become obsessed with.

[Des]

We've never been obsessed with the same people.

[Hannah]

No. Oh, my God. No, we haven't. No, we don't have the same. Okay. We don't have the same, like, favorite celebrities, and we don't have the same, like, favorite male celebrities.

[Des]

We have complete opposite type of men and complete opposite type in women. No, like we really do when we meet people. Like, we've never both been hyped up for someone.

[Hannah]

Hannah. No, we haven't. Like, actually, I specifically remember one time meeting someone and you being like, oh, my God, I'm so obsessed. And me being like, I feel like they don't really like me or like, like, someone comes up to me and you're like, oh, my God, Paige, we love you. And you're like, okay, well, that was weird. I'm standing right here. Like, that does happen to us a lot.

[Des]

I feel like all the time, actually. People will either be, like, obsessed with Paige or obsessed with me or, like, pretend to be obsessed with both of us.

[Hannah]

Yes. And we're like, you don't have to pretend.

[Des]

We've accepted. Like, I feel like if we met Molly Mae, like, she'd be excited to see you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I get that.

[Des]

No, I love her, but my thing with Molly Mae is she really reminded me of you in that this whole thing is one about her having a public relationship and then her dealing with backlash, whatever, and then her starting her own fashion brand. But what I loved about this documentary, which made me with Molly Mae, is that a lot of these documentaries are like, look at me. Why I'm so amazing. Yeah, this. Cried the whole time.

[Hannah]

Cried the whole time. Cried the whole time.

[Des]

And, like, not like, there are so many things that I'm like, they could have cut that out. Like, I. I. And it wasn't even, like. I don't know. Just really raw.

[Hannah]

I think another reason why I loved the documentary so much was, like, after we did our beta blocker episode and after we did, like, our breakup episode, I had so many girls saying, like, the nicest things to me, and they were like, no, you truly don't understand. Like, I feel really seen with the things you said. Molly Mae said so many things during that documentary that I was just like, holy. Like, I feel so seen. Like, yeah, I knew that wasn't my fault. Like, that is just so many different things where I was like, damn, I went through that same thing. Or, like, I know how that feels. Whatever.

[Des]

Like, she was really showing behind the scenes. For example, she's launching her first fashion line. Fashion line. But she's doing her first event where people were gonna see it, and she's like, I haven't ever done, like, a live event meet and greet with people, and it shows her freaking the fuck out about every detail of it. And, like, we've all been there where it's your name on it. And, like, you feel like other people aren't caring about it. Like, you care about it. And, you know you're the only one that gets backlash if it doesn't come out right. And you're like, you start just feeling like, I'm fucked. And her leaning into that. Her also saying how she takes, like, hundreds of thousands of pics and sometimes we'll just give up on the pic, like, there was so many of them.

[Hannah]

Remember when I was really obsessed with my grid, and it was, like, literally putting me into.

[Des]

Like, she, like, ruining your life? I didn't even know she even mentioned. She was like, girls like me because my fashion and my grid. And I was like, oh, I guess I thought that was a thing you made up.

[Hannah]

No, my grid is like, wait, are.

[Des]

You telling me you think people don't follow me because they see my grid.

[Hannah]

And they're like, oh, pages don't.

[Des]

I didn't know that the grid.

[Hannah]

No. I'll follow a bitch in fucking Siberia if I'm like, damn. Her grid is a aesthetic.

[Des]

Like, just, like, similar colors.

[Hannah]

It makes me happy. Like, it's just, like, looking at it makes me happy.

[Des]

But, like, can you explain what makes a grid aesthetic? Or it's like, you can't put your finger on it.

[Hannah]

It just has to be, like, equal parts cohesive, but equal parts different and cool. And, like, it's honestly a lot of pressure. Like, I really felt. I really felt for Molly Mae. I was like, no, I get it. Like, your grid is so important. It's also our creative outlet. Like, it's what we see in our brain. And then to put out into the world of, like, I think this picture looks really cool next to this picture. And, like, this outfit complements this outfit. And, like, I'm wearing red in this outfit and, like, a little bit of red in that one. So I'm gonna put those pictures near each other because it looks pretty. It's all about, like, matching.

[Jacqueline]

Yeah.

[Des]

Imagine a guy's like, I was into Paige, but then I saw her grid, and she had, like, yellow randomly on, like, the third row. And I was like, I don't fuck with her.

[Hannah]

Okay, well, that man is gay.

[Des]

One of my favorite scenes was this meet and greet, where, first of all, it was not organized. Like, I don't know what they thought it would be, but they thought people would come in and casually, like, say hi to her. But clearly, like, every single person that went in want a photo with her. And she's being so nice, but you could see she's, like, doing hundreds of photos. And then it cuts to her hiding in the basement, crying, saying, no one's having fun. And I can't just sit here, down here the whole time. But whenever I go up, it's awkward. And then she had to walk outside, and just someone was like, hey, just tell everyone thanks for coming. She walks out, she says, thanks for coming, turns back, and she goes, that was so Fudgeing awkward. And everyone hates me. Like, it was so funny because when you're a fan of someone, you don't see that side of it that, like, yeah, they're feeling embarrassed.

[Hannah]

That's how I felt after my panic attack at Gigglers.

[Des]

Everyone hates the show.

[Hannah]

They're never going to come. They think I'm bad at this. Like, you really. You're in your own head.

[Des]

It reminded me of you. Reminded of you in terms of, like, our first meet and greets. Paige would get blackout because she, like, couldn't do it.

[Hannah]

I so nervous.

[Des]

And then you. Because it was like, meet and greets can be hard where every person, you want them to have the best experience. And if you think you had an awkward interaction with someone which happens, right, you think you. You suck. And then you start spiraling and you think everyone hates you.

[Hannah]

I'm like, oh, my God, that girl definitely hates me. Never is never gonna listen to giggly squad again. Here's one thing I do want to point out that I found so, so empower. I don't even know. Whatever. Just like a man. She was hitting the pinnacle of her career, something she had been working on for three years. No one even knew she was coming out with a fashion line. It's literally about to drop within those couple of months.

[Jacqueline]

She's so stressed about it.

[Hannah]

She's been working on it for so long. Just like a man to come in up her whole mental health. She's now got to deal with him and his problems while simultaneously dealing with, like, launching this that she's been thinking about since she was a child. And he just ruined it. He ruined it for her. I think about it all the time. Not that this is related whatsoever, but when I watched the.

[Jacqueline]

Who are they?

[Des]

Jonas Brothers fighters?

[Hannah]

No.

[Des]

Oh, Tyson, Logan, Paul.

[Hannah]

What's his name?

[Des]

Yeah, Jake Paul.

[Hannah]

Jake Paul. The one that. That fought Mike Tyson when I was watching his documentary. Obviously, like, his girlfriend was in it because it was like, whatever. When men do a documentary about something that they're like, it's their career, their girlfriend or significant other, whatever, is always in the documentary about how much she supported him and how much, like, what did she give up so that he could do that? Or, like, how did it impact her fucking day? Never touch on her fucking life.

[Des]

And that girl's like a professional skier.

[Hannah]

Yeah, that girl's a professional fucking athlete. Never touched it on it and didn't give a fuck. We're here, like, when it's. But when it's a woman, it's so if that was a man, if. If Jake or whatever the fuck his name is was doing his. About to do that fight and his girlfriend went and fucked up his mental health or, like, cheated on him or did something, they'd be, you are the devil. How could you not fucking support him? But when it's a woman and she's putting out a clothing line and a man wants to come in and act like it's not that big a deal, like, I'm going to hit you with some, like, real fucked up emotional shit, no one says anything. No one says anything. Why is Tommy not getting so much fudgeing hate right now for, like, you ruined her launch. You literally ruined it. I don't know, but I'd like to. Unless they're back together. And that's a decision that she made, and I support her, and we support it.

[Des]

I do think that the mom made an interesting statement, or the sister where they were like, we support you being married to Tommy, but it's not gonna be easy to marry Tommy. So if you want to marry a famous man, you can. But you're gonna have to sacrifice a lot of happiness when that famous man has a drinking problem.

[Hannah]

One time my mom said to me, I think you would live a fine life. Do you want to live a fine life?

[Des]

Ooh.

[Hannah]

Oh, Kim, come on. It's 10am Chill.

[Des]

I think we've all been in that position. I remember when I was in that position once where I found a man and I knew, like, I got some stuff from it, from my ego. But I remember feeling like I was signing a deal with the devil, and I didn't know what to do. But then my body didn't stop letting me eat, so that's how I knew I was. My body was physically rejecting him.

[Hannah]

She had hit her goal weight, but at what cost? But at what?

[Des]

I remember I ordered a sandwich and it was like we were working in my 9 to 5 and I couldn't finish the sandwich, which was very out of character for me. And I was really paranoid that people were noticing. And then I remember being like, what the is wrong with you? You hate this man. Get out of this relationship just because other people think he's cool.

[Hannah]

See, I know when that happens to me when, like, I'm not genuinely an awkward person, but when I start being really awkward and, like, clumsy, I'm like, oh, my body doesn't like where we are or, like, what we're doing. Like, I.

[Des]

Well, yeah, you almost. Your body starts to, like, fall apart, and your brain and body are like, you're not. It's out being out of alignment. That's what it's literally being out of alignment. And your body will.

[Hannah]

Your body's like, this is not good for you.

[Des]

No. When I lose my appetite, there's a fucking problem. Yeah, there's one thing being nervous, there's another thing your body getting sick from the situation you've put it in. So listen to your body, girlies. We love that for us.

[Jacqueline]

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[Hannah]

No, but I'm just so obsessed with Molly Mae. I think she, she also just seems so sweet and genuine and like works really hard and you know. And you want to know the other thing? She didn't say a bad fucking about him. She did not say she did not drag this man. She could have. She probably's got stories for days. The only thing she said that I was just like, wow. When she said Tommy doesn't have a drinking problem, but when he drinks there are problems. And I begged him not to drink at my sister's wedding. Oof. Like that. Oh my God, you must have been holding that in for so long. And the shit that you probably dealt with behind closed doors to make sure that this man didn't get bad press or like, because people would have inevitably came at you too. And you want to know what? If he did do some fucked up shit drinking, the press would have just been like, molly, you're stupid for staying with him. But. But then when you don't support it, it's like, oh, my God, you couldn't, like, work through it. You kind of help.

[Des]

And the drinking thing is crazy because they'll then be like, oh, I know I cheated, but it's because of my drinking problem. And. And it's the thing you feel empathy because it's like, that wasn't him. Like, he has a drinking problem. But then you have to decide. And look, this affects a lot of people, drinking problems. I personally don't know too much about it, but what I know is it's not what you see in the movies always of a guy waking up with the shakes and then needs to have whiskey at 11am It's a majority of the time. And we joke about it as comics that it's in your 20s, it's cute. In your 30s, you go, do I have a problem? And this happens to a lot of people in your 30s, men and women. But if every time you or your partner or your friend drinks, some bad happens and they can't drink, that's a drinking problem. There's problems when you drink. That's a drinking problem. And look, I. There's. I'm saying this as a firm coach right now because you're also saying this.

[Hannah]

As a wife of someone who is sober. So, you know, so, like, that's like a big.

[Des]

Actually, you know what? I do have a little 2 cents because my husband's been sober since 19. He's 19 years old. And I've learned a little bit about that stuff. But there's a lot of people that the only thing between you and success in your life, and by success, I mean a loving family, healthy friendships, a healthy career. Sometimes alcohol is the one thing that's.

[Hannah]

And I think that, like, our generation was kind of fed. Oh, a drinking problem is you wake up every day, you. Your body can't function if there's not alcohol inside of it. I've met a ton of alcoholics that can go five days without drinking, but the minute they pick up a drink, it's absolute mayhem. And I'm gonna be honest, he probably did so much to her that she never got over it.

[Des]

Well, she said she's like, I let him get away with a lot of shit. So we don't even know. Yeah, we don't even know. We don't even know what she's protected him from.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Des]

And I mean, as.

[Hannah]

And then it's like, it's in the public being like, all the hate is going to her where she's probably sitting home being like, you don't fucking. If you knew half the shit this man has done to me. Like, it's crazy. I just feel bad for her.

[Des]

We're in. We've done reality TV where we see the, like, people doing things when they're drunk that are so fucked up. Like, I've had stuff fucked up done to me, and then the next day it doesn't count because they were drunk. But you don't. Don't forget what they said to you. Don't forget what they did to you. But then you're the fucked up one because you're holding grudges when it's like. But they do this every weekend. But because I'm. I wasn't blackout. I have to forgive them.

[Hannah]

I'm gonna. Let's take back the meaning of, like, holding grudges. You know what? If you did something up to me two years ago and I never got over it, that's not my fault. That's literally not my.

[Des]

That's called boundaries.

[Hannah]

You did something so insanely fucked up that, like, I wouldn't be able to get it out of my head unless I had a fucking lobotomy. So every time I look at you, I fucking think of it.

[Des]

That's why women were getting lobotomies in the 20s because men had prohibition getting blackout doing fucked up stuff to them and then would lobotomize them so they'd forget what they did.

[Hannah]

Truly. So I actually. I know Molly. Molly Mae said in the documentary, like, I'm trying to get through all of this in the hopes that me and Tommy get back together. And, like, I want her to get whatever she wants. I really pray that she does not get back with him. I hope she co parents that beautiful baby with him, and I hope she meets someone who supports the fuck out of her. And like, also, Tommy, you're not your brother. Like, you don't have the career your brother does. Your. Your wife makes more money than you. Maybe sit and chill for a fucking second.

[Des]

Wait, sorry. I'm laughing because I love how we started this conversation being like, whatever Molly wants to do is perfect. And now we're like, if she gets back with that man. No, listen to me. When she starts breaking down in the third episode, this isn't okay. This is what happens. So she goes, spoiler alert. Sorry, she does. She's like, I want to get back with him. We all got that. Like, no, no, because you're watching it and you're watching how amazing she is. And then she's sitting there crying, not because of what's going on with her career, but because he's this stupid dipshit.

[Hannah]

He ruined. He ruined what you've worked your whole life for. He tried to ruin it. He tried to ruin it. And I think as women, we sit back and we're like, he didn't mean to. He didn't know, like, what he was saying. He, like. And we make such excuses. He knew what he was doing. He wanted to ruin it for you. He had no regard. That's why he got drunk at your sister's wedding, like, and fucked up. Whatever. He fucked up. Like he didn't care that you were about to go through all this turmoil simultaneously with the launch of your brand. He didn't give a shit.

[Des]

It is so interesting though, if the roles were reversed, if he would never take her back.

[Hannah]

Never. And if the roles were reversed and he was like coming out with some big thing and she went and like, was it seen in a nightclub? Everyone be like, you're a. How are you outside? How are you doing? Like, it's. The double standard is crazy.

[Des]

Can I be so mean right now? Because when I'm watching her and she's beautiful and she's smart and she's empathetic and she's an amazing mother and she's like, but he's great. It's like, I'm sorry. He's a CTE guy who chose to be on reality TV for attention. Pretty looking guy who's been spoiled his whole fucking life. Nepo, brother. Not Ashley Simpson. Not, not even as talented. And. And it's like, what, what makes him so. Because I don't really believe in my heart of hearts that their chemistry, like, he's that funny and he's that smart and he's that caring. Because if he was, he wouldn't have fucking embarrassed you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, he embarrassed you. He embarrassed you and then you had to pick up the pieces. That's the thing. When a man embarrasses you and then you still get blamed. And then you also have to pick up the pieces and fix it. You like, I'll never forget it.

[Des]

Look, I love a good looking man. I've made very bad decisions based off of a jawline. But once you spend enough time with that good looking man, you will see their character and their looks fade so quick.

[Hannah]

So Quick.

[Des]

I've, like, the ick you get. I almost get more icks when a guy's hot, because I'm like, oh, you're not. Only you're lying. Like, you're trying to cover it up with these.

[Hannah]

Yeah, you're these blue eyes or whatever.

[Des]

When you're actually the devil. And I don't want to be conned and be treated like.

[Hannah]

And be the less hot one. That's crazy.

[Des]

No, 100%. So, look, we're not team Tommy right now.

[Hannah]

No, I'm just not. I'm Molly Mae all the way.

[Des]

And do I empathize with. With people who are struggling with addiction? A hundred percent. But you know what I also didn't like? And she very subtly shows a scene in the beginning when they're in the hot tub, when they meet for the first ever time, and they're sitting in the hot tub, and she goes, do you like to drink? And he says, no, and then looks at her and says, do you like to drink? And she goes, not me neither. You lied to her face the first time you hung out with her. I'm never forgetting that shit. I'm out.

[Hannah]

Wait, can I tell you something? I feel like, in terms of dating, I truly feel. And this is, like, just based off my own own, like, experiences and, like, say whatever you want. I truly feel like women do show you who they are from the jump, and that's why men, like, fall for them. Where, like, I feel like you don't really truly see who a man is until, like, three to six months in, and then you're in it, and then you're fucking in it, and you're like, wait, did I miscalculate? Because I told him what I was like, and he was down and he.

[Des]

Was showing you something.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And now all of a sudden, you've. You've completely changed.

[Des]

That's why they say, with the right one, he knows first, but you don't.

[Hannah]

Yes.

[Des]

Because you're looking at it logically.

[Hannah]

Yeah. That's yes.

[Des]

And the guy you fell for immediately was wrong for you.

[Hannah]

100.

[Des]

I mean, you were scrolling his Instagram, and you're like, I'm gonna marry that man, Buck.

[Hannah]

Yeah. No, it's because, like, women truly, like, I'm like, I want you to be the best version of you, so I'll make that version up in my head. And then you realize they're not. It.

[Des]

It was that quote we saw from TikTok earlier where men start at zero and we start at 100. So we. He has to disprove everything. We believe in him and we have to show them everything.

[Hannah]

Honestly, my biggest example of that is like, I started dating someone and I was already on reality tv. And then like, halfway through, they were like, why do you do reality T? And I'm like, wait, what? Like, you started dating me knowing this? Like, I told you what I do, who I am, this. I. I presented that to you and you're like, fudge. Yeah, I love it. And then halfway in, you're like, I don't love it. Change it. And it's like, that's crazy.

[Des]

Though it also reminds me of like, men will not tell you who they are. They'll show you. So him being like, I don't drink, but then you're black out all of Love island or whatever. Yeah, I wasn't tracking his drinking.

[Hannah]

I don't have a drinking problem. But, like, doing the most up is crazy behavior.

[Des]

And I do have to say, like, this is a little controversial. I love an addict. I don't know if I was an addict in a past life. I connect with them. I've always. I've dated multiple addicts.

[Hannah]

Women are fixers. Women are fixers. I've dated multiple addicts because I'm like, I'll help you. And I've.

[Jacqueline]

And I've.

[Hannah]

And I've done it.

[Des]

I will, I will solve all your problems that you've never been able to solve your whole life. But me, a non professional, will figure it out.

[Hannah]

Stick with me, honey. I'll change it.

[Des]

Also, when you feel love from an addict, there is no stronger love. Once he decides you're his source girl, that is the attention I want as a Leo. But then you realize, oh, this is not healthy. And also he's always going to choose his addiction over you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, no, I'm definitely a fixer. And I like someone come in and fix me. How about that? How about someone comes in and gives me some advice.

[Des]

But I also feel like the thing, a lot of girls, we like to be fixers because there's more maternal. There's more maternal, but there's also this, like, if I focus on fixing him, I don't have to address, like, what I'm missing or what I want or any of those things, which is more complicated. I think that's why being single is so healthy, because you get to learn, like, what you want, what you need. So when he comes in and starts having issues, instead of being like, that's a new project, so don't have to focus on myself. You go, whoa, Whoa, whoa. I have a project here called Me, and if you're gonna that up, I actually, like, don't think this is gonna work out.

[Hannah]

No, I mean, I've only been single for a couple months, but like, already, just in terms of, like, my single life, like, my own, like, personal life. Like, I. I never wanted to work out, obviously. Like, you want to work out because you want to, like, be hot or, like, whatever. I never wanted to work out because I didn't. I feel like I. I didn't care about my body. Like, I didn't care if I was healthy. I didn't care if I was strong. And then when I was, like, single, I was like, oh, no. Like, I have to, like, stay alive, you know?

[Des]

And so just yourself in these streets?

[Hannah]

Yeah, Certain things that I was like, I'll never be able to do that. Like, that's so not me. I'll never be able to get into that routine. Random, like, just naturally came really natural. Like. Like, I've been working out three times a week, and it, like, I haven't even thought about it.

[Des]

Like, I'm so proud of you.

[Hannah]

I don't know, it was just very empowering for, like, my own self to see. Like, oh, I thought I'd never be able to quit that. Or I thought I'd never be able to, like, start that up. And so then when you're doing it naturally, you're like, wait, I'm way stronger than I was giving myself credit for. I was literally gaslighting myself.

[Des]

Also, I hate to say it, sometimes you think, like, you're the problem, but sometimes you just have to change, like, your environment. It's very hard to change yourself when you're doing the same thing every day. But if you. It's like, why people move, or they get out of a relationship or they start a new job, that helps you with change. Also, one thing about being a caretaker, I do have to say, like, it is. We're not saying don't be a caretaker. Just make sure where what you're caring for cares for you back.

[Hannah]

Right. Like, it really is true. Like, filling up someone else's cup and then, like, not filling yours, it really drains you.

[Des]

Wait, did I. Speaking of Pilates, because I know you've been on a Pilates kick. We both subconsciously, like, started doing Pilates this week. And when I say started, I did it once last week, and I've done Pilates sporadically because, you know, I'm very busy with hip hop yoga.

[Hannah]

Right.

[Des]

With my mom a couple times. So I was like, I'm not signing up for a beginner class. I'm gonna sign up for. It's called, like, mix. And it's like, make sure you've done at least three Pilates classes. I was like, yeah, I got my ass kicked.

[Hannah]

You get your ass beat.

[Des]

Like, they started off being like, okay, take your legs and put it over your head. And I was like, yeah, this is a warm up.

[Hannah]

Yeah. No, the shakes I get during Pilates is crazy.

[Des]

The exorcism of your body. And then they keep using all these words like pelvis, which I. I thought was a made up thing.

[Hannah]

When they say internal rotation, I'm like, what the fuck does that mean, bitch?

[Des]

Like, what are we?

[Hannah]

They're like, internally rotate your hip. I'm like, how the. I know if it's internally rotating.

[Des]

They're like, we're gonna use a muscle that you've never activated before. And I'm like, you're 33. If I didn't need it till now as like, an appendix, I don't need it. I saw the funniest Pilates Instagram of like, after you murder someone and it's you, like, pulling the dead body and then it goes to your Pilates instructor. And they're like, strong back, strong back, strong back. Raise your spine and the girl, like, changes her posture as she's pulling the dead body.

[Hannah]

No, Pilates is really, truly, actually the only thing that helps my back problems because I think I have back problems because I literally. My back was not strong enough. So I would, like, hunch over and, like, it would just, like, hurt so bad. And so I truly feel like it's the only thing that, like, builds muscle in my shoulders.

[Des]

In your pernuvo scan, did you have anything going on with your spine?

[Hannah]

I didn't.

[Des]

Okay. Not to brag, but my L4 and L5 has a slip disc.

[Hannah]

Well, you're an athlete. You're an athlete, so you probably have so many old injuries that, like.

[Des]

Yes, but I also think I have this obsession with. Do you know when you buy a sectional, that long part of the couch? That's where I thrive in my life. Like, when in doubt.

[Hannah]

You love a chase. You love a chase.

[Des]

Love a chase. I'm like a cat. That is my comfort zone. Like, there's a sunken spot in this. In that part where I live my day. I'm lying down, but then with my head.

[Hannah]

Same.

[Des]

And some. I was like, researching, and they're like, the worst because sometimes I'll be sitting for a couple days and I'm like, wow, my lower back's killing me. Like, I just, like, deadlifted something. But your spine is supposed to not be that direction, basically. So, like, we're doing it to ourselves.

[Hannah]

That's why I got an adjustable base bed.

[Jacqueline]

Truly.

[Hannah]

Because I was like, I can't sit like this because your head is down looking at your phone.

[Des]

And for all you Gen Z is my fellow Gen Z's listening, being like, are we listening to a podcast about two girls complaining about the lower back? We're helping you get ahead of it.

[Hannah]

No, I have upper back problems. So actually, we're killing two birds with one stone.

[Des]

We're looking out for all of our spines. Your L4, your L5. We're just. This is for girlhood in general. Keep your spine healthy, your mind healthy.

[Jacqueline]

Do yourself a favor.

[Hannah]

Book a fucking Pilates class, pet your cat, and shake it off.

[Des]

Okay? Taylor Swift, literally.

[Hannah]

I want to go. I want to go do Pilates with Molly Mae and be like, let's find you a man, honey.

[Des]

Shout out. Molly Mae, we love you so, so, so much.

[Hannah]

No, I love her.

[Des]

Thank you for putting out that show and being so vulnerable.

[Hannah]

No, I truly felt. I actually felt closer to the Gigglers when I watched it because, like, like, obviously, like, when girls DM me and they're like, you, you know, really made us feel seen. I can. I can appreciate it to a point because I'm like, oh. Like, that makes me feel so good that my words helped you. Molly May's words helped me. So I was like, oh, my God, I love the Gigglers. Like, I know exactly how you feel. Like, all I wanted to do was, like, text Molly May and be like, you don't understand. Like, that helped me so much. Like, I thought I was a raging bitch sometimes, but really, it was like. Like, no, you were up my. Like, move.

[Des]

Molly, when you were complaining about your grid and the pressure of your grid, it really changed my life.

[Hannah]

No, it did.

[Des]

I was in a really dark place. Then you talked about your grid stressing you out, and now I feel seen.

[Hannah]

No, when she was like, I take a thousand pictures and I delete all of them. I'm like, it's my favorite hobby.

[Des]

No, we love you. We love May. Quick update. We have. We added more live shows, y'all. We added more live shows. We're in Nashville, New Orleans, St. Augustine, Hollywood, Florida. Tacoma, Washington. Portland, Oregon. Las Vegas, Nevada. Salt Lake City, Utah. I don't know if any of these sold out. Double check. Go to Link Tree slash giggly squad. It's on our Instagram. Also, I'm going to Alabama.

[Hannah]

Jesus. When are you going to Alabama?

[Des]

I think next month. Birmingham.

[Hannah]

Let's go.

[Des]

We love you guys so much. Thank you for giggling and we'll talk.

[Hannah]

Thank you for coming to Radio City. You guys are the fucking best.

[Des]

Yes. Shout out. Bye.