Giggling about virginity, confessionals, and cheating

Summary

Giggly Squad – Episode Summary Episode: “Giggling about virginity, confessionals, and cheating”
Hosts: Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo
Release Date: June 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and hilarious episode, Hannah and Paige take listeners on a whirlwind journey through personal stories, pop culture hot topics, and reflections on friendship, womanhood, and growing up. They riff on everything from the drama of New York sports (Knicks fever!), viral moments on TikTok, and Taylor Swift wedding rumors, to confessions about losing their virginity and the realities of cheating scandals in the public eye. As always, their signature giggles and self-deprecating humor keep the tone light—even when things get real.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Scheduling Boundaries and Saying "No"

• The episode kicks off with Paige and Hannah discussing how they juggle schedules and the increasing importance of setting boundaries and saying “no” as they get older.
  • Quote: “I’m getting better at saying no to people, but, like, not really. I’m still getting myself in insane situations…” – Hannah (03:07)
  • Quote: “I always feel like I’m moving my schedule around, accommodating people. And today I had to get a pedicure, and I said, you know what? No.” – Paige (02:45)

Cat Mom Life & Comfort in Chaos

• Both riff on their cats (Kitty & Butter), finding comfort in their furry companions no matter what city they’re in. Hannah jokes cats “protect us from evil spirits.” (03:59)

Pop Culture & Sports Fandom – Knicks, Taylor Swift, and More

• The excitement (and drama) of the Knicks’ recent win dominates early conversation.
  • Quote: “I turned it off...I couldn’t. I need boundaries. I’m turning this off. Like, out of respect for my Knicks.” – Hannah (08:18)
  • Paige admits to being more distracted by Taylor Swift possibly getting married at MSG than the actual game. (06:41)
  • They riff on celeb sightings at the game (Taylor, the HAIM sisters, Kylie & Timothée) and the phenomenon of New York men actually hugging each other after the win.
  • Memorable Bit: “My friend called me because he was out...‘Hannah, I’ve never hugged so many random men in my life.’” – Hannah (17:09)
• Sidebars on Taylor Swift wedding rumors and the intricacies of celebrity friendships (e.g., Kylie Jenner and Jordyn Woods) (15:08–16:27).

Growing Up – The Nostalgia Spiral

• A segment on being “tradwives” in different decades (which would you choose?), post-war female freedom, and how perceptions of marriage evolve as you age.
• Quote: “Well, you want to know what I went so much of my life thinking? ‘Well, then I’ll get married.’ And then one day I was just like, that is actually just going to cause more problems.” – Paige (32:06)
• Paige reflects on realizing, thanks to friendship with Hannah, that you can change and reprioritize your dreams (career vs. marriage).
  • Quote: “Becoming friends with you helped me realize that I wanted to be louder more often than I was loud.” – Paige (33:11)

Friendship, Confessionals & Work Wives

• Hannah and Paige dive deep into how their friendship changed their lives and how reality TV “confessionals” allowed Paige to find her comedic voice.
  • Quote: “Confessionals helped me realize that my comedic timing was better than other people’s for, like, no apparent reason.” – Paige (33:25)
  • Musings on how “work friendships” in your 30s can become some of the deepest, most reliable relationships you have, even more so than college or childhood friends. (39:12–42:23)
• Their sisterhood: “Other than us. We’re sisters. We’re tradwife sisters…. Soul mates.” (40:09–41:00)

Cheating, Virginity & Sex Talk – Honest Confessions

• The Ariana Grande/Ethan Slater cheating scandal prompts a bigger discussion on infidelity, sexual awakening, and the underwhelming reality of sex for women (“...no one that I’ve ever had sex with would be worth blowing up my whole life…” – Paige, 52:36).
• Hilarious and raw stories about losing their virginity, fear of STDs, and the lack of female pleasure-focused conversation among friends in their youth.
  • Quote: “I told my mom, I think I have…like, it’s burning when I pee…and that’s what it is. Thank God I felt comfortable enough…” – Paige (54:57)
  • Classic Paige: Her anxiety compelled her to confess to her mom about sex, “not, like, our amazing relationship and bond, just anxiety.” (56:55)
  • A story of catty high school drama – Paige’s friend calling her house to try to “spill the beans” to her mom that Paige wasn’t a virgin. (57:37–58:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I digress.” (Repeated throughout, becoming a running joke – 34:34)
• “Men, children, and pets, they never act the way you want them to.” – Kim “Shakespeare” DeSorbo (Paige quoting her mom) (36:54)
• “We’re not holes. We’re not just holes.” – Hannah (55:44)
• Re: reality TV confessionals: “[Producers say] ‘well, she didn’t say it in the moment’. And I’m like, yeah, because it was six months later.” – Paige (33:54)
• “Why don’t you just be normal and just cheat and not tell your wife, like a normal person in Hollywood?” – Hannah (52:21)
• “She goes, ‘what’s up, slut?’” – Hannah channeling Italian mom vibes after Paige’s friend tried to tattle. (58:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Saying No & Scheduling Realness: 01:16–03:14
• Sports, Taylor Swift at MSG, & Knicks Meltdown: 05:26–09:55
• Nostalgia, Tradwives & Housewife Life: 27:14–30:42
• Friendship, Confessionals & Finding Your Voice: 32:21–35:32
• Work Friendships in Your 30s: 39:12–42:23
• Cheating, Virginity & Sex Ed Fails: 48:34–58:35

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Flow & Tone

The hosts maintain their signature irreverent, confessional tone, bouncing between hot pop culture takes, relatable confessions, and genuine moments of vulnerability. Their openness about topics like setting boundaries, revising life’s priorities, and learning to “speak up” about pleasure and relationships resonates with listeners navigating adulthood, friendship, and romance in the modern world.

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Useful Takeaways For New Listeners:

• Expect a wild blend of pop culture commentary, unfiltered personal confessions, and wisdom only gained from messing up (and laughing about it).
• The episode is especially relevant for women in their 20s and 30s navigating friendship, relationships, work, and self-advocacy.
• Paige and Hannah’s banter is both comforting and empowering, reminding listeners they’re not alone in their awkward moments, shifting priorities, or the strange realities of modern adulthood.

Transcript

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[Hannah Berner]

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

What's up, my og? Antonobe Gigglers. You know who OG is?

[Paige Desorbo]

The guy from the next.

[Hannah Berner]

Paige is in a really difficult spot right now because everyone in her life is really happy about the next. And she was happy for like three seconds. And then she's moved on.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I've moved.

[Hannah Berner]

She's worried about her pedicure. She's worried about other things happening where I have. I am still shaking. Look at my hand. Look at my hand. You can't see it on audio. Look at my hand. It's shit. I'm. I can't. Everyone's going about their day. I'm like, how are people going about their day right now?

[Paige Desorbo]

Here's the thing about me and Hannah. We have a schedule. We're scheduled people. But sometimes our schedules will change a little and we'll text the other and say, hey, do you want to do this earlier? Because something changed in my schedule. And typically. And I love that. And I love that, that we can do that with each other. And typically it works. Our schedules work. But sometimes it's like someone has a work thing. Someone has another call. Can't do that. Oh, I have to go. I'm traveling. I'm on a flight, whatever. But today I said, no, wait.

[Hannah Berner]

So we're all texting in the morning and I realize I have like an hour before a call we both have to be on. So I was like, do we want to knock this out right now? Like, I wrote the cutest. Like, should we be crazy knock out Gigi Squad this morning. And Paige just writes, no, and no one says anything after. And then I go, tell me how you really feel. Jesus. Sorry for trying to bring joy and laughter and lightness to the community, because

[Paige Desorbo]

I feel like I'm always moving my schedule around, and this has nothing to do with you. I always feel like I'm moving my schedule around, accommodating people, like, whatever. And today I had to get a pedicure, and I said, you know what? No, I have scheduled.

[Hannah Berner]

No.

[Paige Desorbo]

That I'm getting a pedicure, and I have to, like, I can't.

[Hannah Berner]

I'm getting better at saying no to people, but, like, not really. I'm still getting myself in insane situations that people are like, all you have to do is say no.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I know. Because you want to know what? I've been saying yes to a lot of things. And then I've been going back and being like, actually, no, I'm not doing that.

[Hannah Berner]

And you know what? You can change your mind, and that's called freedom of speech. And actually, I've never not changed my mind in any situation. I've never made a mind and not changed it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, you're the queen of that. Sorry. Kitty's, like, rolling around on her back, like, looking up at me upside down,

[Hannah Berner]

and it's, well, you guys, I've been traveling, so, you know, Butter decided she's following me all around. So she's literally sitting, just listening in, like, she's. She's like, we're podcasting now.

[Paige Desorbo]

I love just, like, at any given point, there's a cat around me, like, napping somewhere.

[Hannah Berner]

They do protect us from evil spirits.

[Paige Desorbo]

I have to bring up something important from the last pod that this girl made a TikTok about and was laughing at us.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, is it about the World Cup? Okay, how are you supposed to know that?

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, wait, I did know that. Like, I knew. We knew that it was multiple games.

[Hannah Berner]

What do we not know?

[Paige Desorbo]

I thought that the big game, like, the most important one is in New Jersey. Is that right?

[Hannah Berner]

What'd she say?

[Paige Desorbo]

She said she was like, they girls thought that there. It was one game, and we asked them to come to New Jersey. She was like, it's all over the country. I thought it was all over the world. I knew that they were like, all games were all over the world. I just thought that the biggest one was going to be in Jersey.

[Hannah Berner]

See, I like that we're starting conversation about women in the arts. Like, that's all our job is. And I love that the women Stood up and said, actually, let's live and let's. Let's learn.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And that's what she did. So thank you. Thank you, whoever showed us. What? I don't. I didn't hear it, but basically, they're all over America and New Jersey is one of them.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, for example, today at 10pm South Korea is playing.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, it's happening, right?

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't know who this team is.

[Hannah Berner]

It's happening right now. I can't keep up.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. Tomorrow the USA is playing Paraguay.

[Hannah Berner]

Where are you looking right now?

[Paige Desorbo]

Google www.google.com Ask Jeeves.

[Hannah Berner]

Can I please. Let me start this talk about the Knicks in the very beginning, and then I'll move on. I promise. Okay. So I was alone last night, and I'm so excited. Watch the Knicks all comfortable, being better already. And let me just say, the thing with the Knicks is that, like, the Knicks have been so bad for so long. Like, it was like a joke in New York where they'd say, like, when things would get awkward, you're supposed to be like, how about those Knicks? So you could bond over, like, complaining about how. Are you yawning already?

[Paige Desorbo]

Sorry, I just started. Phrase was, how about them Yankees?

[Hannah Berner]

Actually, wait. I think it's both, actually. I was kind of making up a story.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, I think it could be any team. Any.

[Hannah Berner]

But I. Anyway, the Knicks suck. And see this city?

[Paige Desorbo]

This is what I. This is exactly what's wrong with sports fans. You guys are so dramatic about every little thing.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, truly, like, my adrenaline is through the roof. I'm like, I haven't been able to focus on anything. I feel like Regina George. No. Lindsay Lohan and mean girls. When I'm like, I can't stop talking about it. And I can tell everyone around me

[Paige Desorbo]

is annoyed with me, but I guess I'm not it.

[Hannah Berner]

But it's also sad, though, because everyone's so happy. Like, the miracle win. But then deep down, I'm like, if we lost, like, that would have been so sad.

[Paige Desorbo]

You know, All I kept thinking about during it was your pedicure. Is Taylor Swift really gonna get married here? Like, every time this screen would show her. And then I saw on Tick Tock, this girl was like, I think people are picturing, like, msg, like, her getting married on the scene stage. Like, I don't think people can picture that she would decorate msg, that it would be, like, unrecognizable.

[Hannah Berner]

She literally was wedding planning. She was like, why are all these men at my wedding venue?

[Paige Desorbo]

I think that they already Got married in, like, a secret ceremony and they're just throwing a party this summer.

[Hannah Berner]

I do have to say, her showing up with the Heim sisters with matching shirts that they made is so cute.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm saying, next to Mariska Hargitai, like,

[Hannah Berner]

I like people who have fun. Like, I. I have trouble with it, but when I see other people, like, get, like, imagine if me and you, like, pre planned a, like, matching. Like, we. We don't have.

[Paige Desorbo]

Never happen.

[Hannah Berner]

That would never happen. But it's so cute that they were able to do that.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's not who we are as people, though.

[Hannah Berner]

No. But if I had a friend who was, like, ahead of the game, I could possibly like, one of them.

[Paige Desorbo]

Just give me. Yeah, just give me more tasks.

[Hannah Berner]

It's friend homework. I watched into the third quarter, and I'm human. I can only handle so much. And I was like, a lot of pain. And I was like, I had a day already. I don't need this. So after Kat got elbowed in the face and they were down by 29 points, I said, I need boundaries. I'm turning this off. Like, out of respect for my Knicks. I need to.

[Paige Desorbo]

You didn't want to watch them lose?

[Hannah Berner]

No, I could. No, I turned it off. I couldn't. And this. The Madison Square Garden was silent. Also, I didn't pay 40 grand for tickets. I don't have to watch it. Sorry. Pages did like, a cartoon yawn. She was like,

[Paige Desorbo]

do you know, once I met a boyfriend that would be like, you're so ugly when you yawn. Like, like, cover your mouth.

[Hannah Berner]

Wait, I wanna. I will literally beat his ass.

[Paige Desorbo]

Whatever. It doesn't even matter.

[Hannah Berner]

But New York City is the hub of basketball, of hip hop, of culture, and it's, like, crazy that we've been so bad for so long. So anyway, I turned off, and I think I was actually watching Mormon Housewives. And I'm scrolling my phone and like 30 minutes later, I see someone just write, OMG, Nick. So I'm like, that's funny. Like, let me just check what the score is. And it was 100, 104. We were still losing, but I was like, that must be the wrong game. We're down by 30.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm.

[Hannah Berner]

It's like 11pm at this point. I put it back to the Knicks. I'm freaking the out. All alone. Everyone's asleep. My dad, you. Everyone's gone. So I'm just alone.

[Paige Desorbo]

I was awake.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, I just assumed you didn't care.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, of course I care. It's a Cultural moment that I want to be involved in. I don't want to, but I had such anxiety watching it. Like, I couldn't. I was like, okay, I have to look away. I did get interrupted because I personally was watching a Netflix show while it was. And then I had to turn. Turn the channel because I didn't want to be out of the loop. But I started watching. It's called Shrill.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, that was on Hulu before.

[Paige Desorbo]

I love it.

[Hannah Berner]

Is it good? Oh, my God. Well, we love her.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm obsessed with her.

[Hannah Berner]

Aidy Bryant.

[Paige Desorbo]

I thought it was gonna be, like. It's definitely a comedy, but it's, like, a little bit more serious than I thought. And I love it.

[Hannah Berner]

It. I love it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, this is the last thing about the necks.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

Over. Under. How many times did you think about your grandpa during the game?

[Hannah Berner]

Why would you do that? I was like, that was my grandpa who scored. That was my grandpa who came in like a little angel and put the ball in. The defense wins championship. No, because why?

[Paige Desorbo]

Right when the buzzer, like, they win. I thought, Hannah's grandpa have loved this.

[Hannah Berner]

Paige, stop. I literally have to stop the pod right now. I literally have to stop the pod right now. No, Jerry. Jerry. All he did was watch the Knicks. All he did.

[Paige Desorbo]

Jerry Seinfeld. More like Jerry Burge in the back.

[Hannah Berner]

Wait, I didn't tell.

[Paige Desorbo]

Actually. Obviously, like, me and Josephine are obsessed with Kitty, and Taylor came up with this, like, alter ego for Kitty when we are in glam, because Kitty loves glam, and so we call her Mimi Larue. And so one day, Josephine was like, wouldn't it be so funny if I, like, booked you at a hotel under Mimi Larue?

[Hannah Berner]

Totally. Is it R E, A U X?

[Paige Desorbo]

No, it's Mimi. M I, M I, L, A, capital R U, E. Mimi Love rue.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, got it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, so I get to the Four Seasons in California, and I was like, hey, I'm checking in. I, like, gave my name. I was like, I don't. It could. This is the name of the girl that could have made it. And she was like, okay, I'm not seeing that, but I am seeing a Mimi Larue.

[Hannah Berner]

Did she just do that to mess with me?

[Paige Desorbo]

She just did it because she thought it was, like, gonna be funny or,

[Hannah Berner]

like, yeah, but if you didn't know, you could have, like, not gotten.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I was like, yes. Okay, so that is actually me, but my name is Paige Desorbo. And she booked it under Josephine, like, and gave her email, and she was like, okay, I Have to call my boss because I like, can't have you check in under, like three different.

[Hannah Berner]

I knew this would cause drama. And Josephine just want to have a little fun.

[Paige Desorbo]

Josephine's just trying to have a little, like, Kiki. Like, funny how forbid you have a little whimsy.

[Hannah Berner]

But look, Josephine, when it comes to admin, you can't. You can't.

[Paige Desorbo]

You can't mess around. Whimsy and the four season. And honestly, the only thing that, like, saved me was she was like, I know you stay here all the time, so, like, we know it.

[Hannah Berner]

You live.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's like, but, like, in the future. And I was like, totally.

[Hannah Berner]

Hollywood celebrities always use a different name. Like, Lena Dunham said she had like, a specific name she used.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, like, the manager came out and she was like, yeah, if you're gonna use an alias, you have to like, tell us it's an alias. And I was like, totally got it. Like, I love how she's like, oh,

[Hannah Berner]

are you a new one? A new alias girl? Okay.

[Paige Desorbo]

I was like, my assistant just wanted to, like, be fun and like, we weren't like, actually using an alias.

[Hannah Berner]

Bitch. This isn't Starbucks. This is the Four Seasons. Tell us your real name. Social Security number. That reminds me of high school, my friend. She was like, I'm going to say my name's Regina at Starbucks and have them yell it. And we thought it was like the funniest thing that ever happened.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's like low key bullying.

[Hannah Berner]

I guess it is. What you don't. Is. Is vagina a bad word?

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, let's not start there.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, also, I'm kind of obsessed with Kylie Jenner is dealing with. When you have a boyfriend, he has different sides to him. And we all have sides that we prefer. Now. Timothy Chevrolet watching the Knicks try to win their first championship is a monster that I don't think she mentally prepared for. Where he's taking his shirt off and jumping into crowds and he's going full, like, LaGuardia High School 2007 or whatever the fuck he was there. And he's. She's taking out her phone and filming him.

[Paige Desorbo]

At this point, some of the clips I see, it's like her taking her digital camera out and taking like, pictures of him just, like, enjoying the game. And I'm like, at the end of the day, everyone's just a girl. Like, she's literally just taking pictures, like, putting her photo dump. Like, and it's just. And I. Last night they had like, matching outfits on and that's. She was probably just Most excited for that.

[Hannah Berner]

I do feel like they should leave a section for, like, for free to let, like, top Knicks fans go. Because it does feel weird that, like, the seats are so expensive for those games, but everyone who's been there all season long, even when they suck, like, can't get in.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, the mayor did, like, something for. He did created, like, a lottery for World cup tickets, so maybe he'll do

[Hannah Berner]

it because no one wants to go to New Jersey.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, he, like, because so many New Yorkers wanted to go to the world, so. And he was like, yeah, we're right here. And so he made, like, a. I think it's, like, $50. You can enter.

[Hannah Berner]

No one's talking about the Jordan, Kylie, like, lore.

[Paige Desorbo]

Why isn't it being brought up more?

[Hannah Berner]

Why isn't it from Paige?

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, they're hugging. They're clearly, like, friends again, but they're not hanging out all the time.

[Hannah Berner]

And they're not sitting next to each other, which they totally could be. Jordan likes to sit under the basket, Kylie sits on the side. And then afterwards, they like Kiki a little bit, but they're not. I wonder how Chloe's feeling.

[Paige Desorbo]

I wonder what their status is of their relationship. I mean, Taylor Swift hugged Kylie.

[Hannah Berner]

Do you forgive a friend you. If they're now, like, engaged to someone else? Even though they fudged you over with something?

[Paige Desorbo]

What even happened?

[Hannah Berner]

She was sitting on Tristan's lap and kissed him.

[Paige Desorbo]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Hannah Berner]

So Chloe was like, fuck her.

[Paige Desorbo]

I think they're over this. I think.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't think Chloe gives a flying fuck.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah. I also, like, think Jordan is the backbone of this household right now because she's been holding this bag.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

Have you heard about the lucky bag? And Cat is amazing. Anyway, don't start, like, looking into the players and all their families and histories. They'll make you really emotional. I just can't, honestly. Sports is, like, too much for me to handle and that. I'm so glad I'm retired.

[Paige Desorbo]

Go, Nukes. Okay. I will say at the end of the game, when the guy that made, like, the winning. Tipped it in was, like, walking back to the tunnel, I did feel the sense of, like. I so get how sports is, like, so emotional.

[Hannah Berner]

You know, both his parents are dead. No, I'll agree. That's why he wasn't smiling.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, I didn't know.

[Hannah Berner]

It's because he's shy.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, then scratch what I'm gonna say. Scratch what I'm gonna say. Actually, I can't say it anymore.

[Hannah Berner]

Did I Ruin your joke.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. I can't say, oh, I'm sorry. You're like. And yeah, his parents. Parents are dead. So do you want to keep being a wait? That's so sad.

[Hannah Berner]

My friend called me because he was out. Like, I was not on the streets. And I was like, what's it like out there? And he's like, hannah, I've never hugged so many random men in my life. Like, the men are just hugging.

[Paige Desorbo]

I felt like a loser, like, not being out. I'm like, I should be with the people. And then I was like, what?

[Hannah Berner]

No, no, no. It's more fun to watch. You can hear it. You could feel it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Most emotion we've seen from the men in a while. Most emotion we've seen in a couple years from them.

[Hannah Berner]

I think this is good.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. It's nice to know that they're capable to get there and feel something. I think that's what we needed going into the summer with them. We needed them to feel like, oh, yeah, I do have human emotion outlets that could be expressed. That's not just anger and confusing. Like, confused confusion.

[Hannah Berner]

Wait, someone was joking that New York City's crime rate is at, like, zero right now because all the criminals are watching the next.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, that's one thing I will say I will never understand. When your city wins something so you vandalize it.

[Hannah Berner]

No, they're waiting. But right now, like, crime is at an all time low because all the men are not.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, they're busy. They're watching tv.

[Hannah Berner]

They're busy watching the game.

[Paige Desorbo]

We literally, like, it's not a joke when we say, like, you have to occupy your boyfriend like it's a toddler. Like, you put the game on. It's like, okay, you're going to watch this and then I'll be back. Like, they're really just children.

[Hannah Berner]

They're all in, like, boy day camp right now and night camp.

[Paige Desorbo]

Imagine, like, every time the Victoria's Secret Runway show was on tv, like, crime just, like, went down because, like, all the girls were watching it.

[Hannah Berner]

I also feel like even, like our ERAS tour, we're not like, hugging and kissing each other like they are.

[Paige Desorbo]

No. I feel like the Taylor Swift girls were. I'm trying to think, in what context do I have to be in to hug a bunch of people? I don't know.

[Hannah Berner]

You've never hugged a bunch of people you don't know?

[Paige Desorbo]

Unless it was like, giggly squad meet and greet.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, and you were blackout during it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, that's the only time I've hugged A bunch of people I know in a sit in a setting that, like.

[Hannah Berner]

But huggling a giggler is completely different.

[Paige Desorbo]

Totally different. Well, hugging a girl is different.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, but also, every giggler would hug me, then look at you and be like, I know you hate hugs. And you'd be like, good in here. I don't know if I like hugs. I just don't. I'm a people pleaser, so I'm like, let's. Let's not do the whole shit we are showing. Just hug. Let's get over with. Yeah, it's like a blowjob. Like, just fudgeing. Do it.

[Paige Desorbo]

I've stopped, like, honestly, I've actually probably gotten rude about it because, like, in certain situations where, like, you're behind a table or something and people and someone walks in, it's like you're expected to, like, get up. And I've stopped doing that. I'm like, yeah, I'll get you when I get up.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, no, you've had a long day.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm not like, I'm not like, possibly knocking over this.

[Hannah Berner]

You're not in control.

[Paige Desorbo]

And all these, like, plates and glasses to hug you. Like, no, no. I'm on arts and crafts. Tick tock right now. Like, oh, my God. I actually stumbled upon angry arts and crafts.

[Hannah Berner]

That's so you.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's so niche.

[Hannah Berner]

It's literally watercoloring for Scorpios.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's a girl that teaches you how to make. I don't know even what she was making. She was making, like, plant potters or something. But she yelled at you while she was doing it. And I was like.

[Hannah Berner]

I was like, let me settle it. Yeah, No, I thought you were gonna say you make, like, pottery and then you break it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Honestly, I wish. But she was like, making. She was like, yeah, obviously, that's the next step. Like, I'm not stupid. And I'm like, yeah. I'm like, actually follow. I want all your videos.

[Hannah Berner]

I do love a no.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, I'm really like a chef. Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

That isn't nice about it.

[Paige Desorbo]

I like that I'm really deep into, like, Home Improvement Tick Tock. And some of the girls are so.

[Hannah Berner]

I know it's so.

[Paige Desorbo]

No,

[Hannah Berner]

Wait, are you actually trying any of this stuff?

[Paige Desorbo]

No, no, no. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, the girls will get a hobby and then they'll just do it. Like, there's a girl that I follow, and every month she redecorates her bathroom. She has a new theme and she just does it and we mind our own business so much of the time. Who could have a problem with us?

[Hannah Berner]

No.

[Paige Desorbo]

And so I'm really into the girls. Just, like, being at home and having their own hobbies.

[Hannah Berner]

I love that.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's really nice.

[Hannah Berner]

Speaking of home, I found my wedding ring.

[Paige Desorbo]

I didn't know you lost it. I just want to say, next summer, I do think I'm gonna. There's gonna be a situation where I want to have a garden, or at least a plant that grows a tomato. But that's for next year. That's.

[Hannah Berner]

You can talk to my mom. That's.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's where I feel like my life.

[Hannah Berner]

She has a garden. I bought my mom, like, a little garden tool kit that comes with a little seat that you put. So while you're gardening, you have a little seat so you don't hurt your back. She's obsessed. It's like, pattern, and so, you know, it's a whole aesthetic.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, it's a whole world over there.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

I didn't know you lost your ring.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, okay. I didn't lose. I took it off. And then, you know, life happens. I lose my phone every three seconds. Of course, if I take off my wedding ring, it's like, that's up to God at this point.

[Paige Desorbo]

You have your. You just always wear your engagement ring. Oh, so you always just look engaged.

[Hannah Berner]

I know. Everyone's like, are you engaged? I'm like, yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

No one said that to you? No.

[Hannah Berner]

Everyone thinks I'm disengaged. Really doesn't know me.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, when I go somewhere, they're like, oh, did you just get engaged? But told my mom. I was like, fun fact. I actually don't know where it is. Like, I was afraid to, like, admit it to myself because. But I hadn't looked for it because I don't know where it is.

[Paige Desorbo]

How many months had passed over a year. Oh.

[Hannah Berner]

And I'm, like, staying in a different apartment. Like, things have shifted. Like, I've lost less important things, you know? So my mom looks at me, and she goes, I know where it is. I said, how do you know? And she goes, because I put it somewhere because I knew you're gonna lose it. And I said, and that's why you're my emergency contact.

[Paige Desorbo]

Where was it? Where'd she put it?

[Hannah Berner]

She. It's in, like, my jewelry box that I, like, never open because, like, God forbid I could. I wear some jewelry. So I opened it. It was right there. I wore it for a day, and then I was, like, uncomfy.

[Paige Desorbo]

Put it back why are we both like that? It's actually kind of annoying because, like, I would love to, like, wear more jewelry, but I'm like, no, get it off me.

[Hannah Berner]

I know. And then I do get itchy with it. And also we talk with our hands so much, it becomes like, it's harder. It's like a swimmer with a hat on. Like, I don't, I can't move the way I want to move.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't know if you guys remember me talking on the pod, but one of my friends had a baby and I wanted to send her a gift when she got home from the hospital. And I thought, should I get the baby something? No, I should get her something. That's why I got her a Lola blanket. Lola blankets are one of those products where the second someone touches it, they immediately understand the hype. She texted me, I'm not kidding, 10 minutes after walking in the door and was like, this Lola blanket is now my entire personality. I need to get another one because I can't keep carrying it from the couch to the bed. 1 Lola instantly makes your space feel cozier and more put together. And there's a reason lola has over 20,000 five star reviews. I also recently just got Kitty one of the pet beds and let me tell you, she immediately jumped in it. She loves things that are a little bit elevated and the cushion in it is perfect for her. It's incredibly plush, holds its shape beautifully, and even helps regulate temperature so your pet stays cozy year round. For a limited time, our listeners can get 40% off select Lola blanket products with Code Giggly at checkout. Just head to lolablankets.com and use code giggly to get 40% off your order. After you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. Please support our show and let them know that Giggly Squad sent you. Wrap yourself in luxury with Lola blankets. There's nothing I love more than seeing someone come into my home and see that I have honest flushable wipes in the bathroom because honestly, anything can happen in there and I feel confident knowing honest can handle it. I always keep them stocked because they make me feel so much cleaner and more comfortable than just regular toilet paper. And, and I love that they're safe for my sensitive areas and safe to flush so I don't have to worry about my pipes either. What really makes honest flushable wipes different is that they're made with a plant based cloth so you're not just putting anything on your body. They're super gentle, durable, and honestly, just make Such a difference in your routine. So whether it's for your guest or just everyday use, they're one of those things that once you try them, you just can't go back. You can grab honest flushable wipes at Walmart, Target, and Amazon. Hi, this is Jonathan Fields, host of

[Hannah Berner]

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

Oh, you got dark. I got dark. You got real dark.

[Paige Desorbo]

If you had to pick a decade of being a housewife, what decade are you picking? Are you picking, like, the early seven or, like, the 70s when you're about to get your own credit card? Or are you picking, like, the 80s where they're really rebelling? Or are you picking, like, the 50s where they're, like, really diving into it?

[Hannah Berner]

When were the men gone at war?

[Paige Desorbo]

They were gone a couple times.

[Hannah Berner]

Because I know, like, when the men were gone, I feel like the girls were having so much fun. Also. We kept the economy going. Like, we were fully did every job,

[Paige Desorbo]

like, During World War II is what

[Hannah Berner]

I literally don't know. Wars. Like, it could go into my head. No idea what wars, but I know the guys were gone, the girls were at home. It's when the guys came back and they were trying to, like, change everyone's lifestyle. And we were like, we were actually really good when you were gone.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like Rosie the Riveter. Like, post Rosie the Riveter. And we were like, we actually could figure it out. And they were like, yeah, but we don't want you to.

[Hannah Berner]

And that's why then it could have been a fun time too, though, because they discovered xanax I think I could have made that up. But, like, they were all high as a kite and, like, hammered and drunk, which, like, sounds fun. For, like, a couple weeks.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay. So that's where I would go. I would. I would have picked, like, late 60s, early 70s. Like, drugs are just coming out, but, like, we don't really know what's going on. And doctors are still prescribing, like, crazy drugs, but it's from a doctor. So I'm going, like. I'm going, like, early 70s, which, now that I think about it, that would have been, like, our grandmas.

[Hannah Berner]

So my nana's job. My nana never smokes weed or drank or did drugs because she was, like, a nice. A nice grandma.

[Paige Desorbo]

Never smells cigarettes.

[Hannah Berner]

No. That's why your skin looks so good. But you'd be if. Okay, this is what she would do. I told you. Her husband would leave to work, and she would have all day to make sure she had dinner ready and the house cleaned.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay.

[Hannah Berner]

When she. He'd say, I'm an hour away. She would make sure it's all done and put her face on, make sure she looked really, really pretty. Full makeup, full eyelash set, sitting down with the food, all the laundry done. But she had all day to do it. And then at some point, she got a job as a secretary, and she would wear, like, mugler sets like she was Mad Men.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And, like, I don't even know if she. Like, she could kind of type, but, like, that wasn't the point. They were just, like, all the guys were looking at her, but she just wore iconic sets as a secretary, and that was, like, considered, you know, a woman in the arts. Woman in stem. Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

I would have been high all day.

[Hannah Berner]

Yep. You would have loved being a secretary for these men.

[Paige Desorbo]

I would have loved hosting, like, oh, your boss has to come over for dinner on a Friday night. Hell, yeah, I'll host. Like, I will whip up the best presentation. See, imagine trying to do all of that and you're, like, so high. Like, there has to be such great stories of housewives, the. That they could, like, never tell.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, you know, I would have been lobotomied. Yeah. Can you smoke weed on a botomy?

[Paige Desorbo]

No. They would have been like, she's hysterical is the word they would have used for you.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, God.

[Paige Desorbo]

Anyway, that was, like, my random.

[Hannah Berner]

Also, no one was out back then, so, like, everyone was just gay married.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, my whole thing was, like, they had to be on the phone all goddamn day because there had to have been so many, so much Happening that was, like, secretive and, like, so gossipy. Because if they were all just home the time, I mean, they had to pass the time some way.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, to this day, my nana, she wakes up, she has her phone call with Rosalie, her best friend from the 20s, who knows? And, like, every Thursday, she has a phone call with someone else. Like, she has all her phone calls set up. And that's, I think, how she always lived. Shoot this bitch, and you'd be on the phone just tripping your kids with the phone line.

[Paige Desorbo]

Bring back home phone landlines.

[Hannah Berner]

I want a psychic to talk to you about why you're so obsessed with nostalgia.

[Paige Desorbo]

I think that's more of a question for a therapist, And I think it's because it's the last time I felt peace, which is when I was a child. I underestimated, like, the whole adult responsibility part. Like, I. Like, I truly underestimated that as a child. Well, you want to know what I went so much of my life thinking? Well, then I'll get married.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Paige Desorbo]

And then I'll be married. Like, I ended a lot of sentences in my teens and twenties with, and then I'll be married. And then one day I was just like, that is actually just going to cause more problems.

[Hannah Berner]

Do you think I ruined your life? Like, in what way? I just feel like, subconsciously, when I met you, I hated so many people you were with.

[Paige Desorbo]

I thought you're going to say I hated so many things about you.

[Hannah Berner]

No, I. Like, I put you on a pedestal, and I see the men trying to, like, dim your light.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And I'm like, if you don't do what you're supposed to do, you're gonna be miserable. So. And then next thing you know, we're doing stuff and we're on a plane, and you're like, I could have had a family by now, but instead you were like, chase your dreams.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't blame you at all. But I think becoming friends with you helped me realize that I wanted to be louder more often than I was loud.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, I didn't realize. I actually wanted to say more things, but I didn't know I could.

[Hannah Berner]

Do you think confessionals also, like, helped you find your voice a little bit because you didn't have to, like, say it in front of people.

[Paige Desorbo]

I think confessionals helped me realize that my comedic timing was better than other people's for, like, no apparent reason.

[Hannah Berner]

I actually have a vivid memory of going in for confessionals, and they were like, paige was in before you. She really killed it. She was so funny. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, I'm gonna be really funny. And then I try to say something funny, and they're like, no, you're actually really mad in this scene, and you're crying, so we're gonna need you to be upset.

[Paige Desorbo]

The only thing that, like, would annoy me about those is they'd be like, well, she didn't say it in the moment. And it. And I'm like, yeah, because it was six months later. Like, I didn't think of it. Like, you know, so that was the. Where people. They make it. They do make it seem like it's real time.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah. Also, they're telling you to make a comment. You're not like, can I please speak on this? Like, that's how it seems.

[Paige Desorbo]

You're pulling from memory. You're not pulling from, like, what they're gonna show. You're pulling from your own experience. And sometimes. Yeah, it's not. Not sometimes. It's never gonna be what they show, because everyone's experience is individual. But whatever. I digress.

[Hannah Berner]

I digress.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I think becoming friends with you is. Was very pivotal in my. I don't even want to say career, because that almost, like, dumbs it down. My whole life. My whole.

[Hannah Berner]

But also, I didn't, like, change anything within you. I literally, like, I feel, like, allowed you.

[Paige Desorbo]

I just thought I would, like getting married. Like, I didn't know the more I grew up how in charge I wanted to be of things and how controlling I am. So, like, it was almost like you were like, it's okay. A lot of people actually hate it, and you don't have to do it if you don't want to.

[Hannah Berner]

I more, though, was like, I'm fine with whoever you date as long as you can chase your dreams. And I think you thought your dream was marriage, and then you started reprioritizing your dreams.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yes. And then I was like, wait. I think the biggest thing for me was really, when I turned in my early 30s, like, turned 30. On how you're still in your early 30s. Yeah. How much I realized men are so incompetent. Like, I think that was the biggest change from me turning 29 to 30. I thought, like, well, they're not gonna save you once you get into your 30s and you're like, men in their 40s, like, they're really competent, they know what they don't, then they have no idea. They know less than you. Some of the questions I've been asked before from men about, like, everyday life would throw you off your rocker.

[Hannah Berner]

I love when you say throw you off your rocker.

[Paige Desorbo]

It really get like, simple things. Trying to think now of just, like, one.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, I was once in a car ride with one of my mom's friends, and thinking back at it, I'm like, that was kind of crazy. But, like, I was definitely young, like, and she looked at me, and I think I asked her about her husband. Like, you know, you start realizing your mom's friends have, like, their own lives. And you're like, what's going on?

[Paige Desorbo]

You're like, what do you do when you leave our house?

[Hannah Berner]

And she told me, I really like him when we're on vacation. Like, my husband and I are really good on vacation, but otherwise, he's actually the worst. And men, you can never count on them for anything.

[Paige Desorbo]

My mom has a saying. Now listen up, because this is a good one.

[Hannah Berner]

Listen up.

[Paige Desorbo]

Men, children, and pets, they never act the way you want them to.

[Hannah Berner]

Kim Shakespeare Desorbo.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm like, one time, like, Daphne did something I legit think I was, like, hosting, so I don't even know what I was doing. And I was like. And then she all over, and she goes, well, it's just a lesson. Your husband, your kids, and your pets are never gonna do what you want them to do.

[Hannah Berner]

And the funniest part about this whole thing is I accidentally got married, like, five years ago.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, and you got married One time I called my mom, and I didn't realize I was on stage speaker. And I was like, you want to know what, Mom? I'm really annoyed at you. And she was like, for what? And I was like, I think that it was your duty to tell me how useless men actually are. Like, no, seriously, mom, When's the last time a man was useful to you? Ser. I was like, in the last two weeks, has dad done something that was so pivotal in your life? And she goes, paige, you're on speaker.

[Hannah Berner]

Hey. Hey, Paige, this is Thanksgiving.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I was like, no, let's. They were really gonna talk about it. Let's actually talk about. Name one thing.

[Hannah Berner]

Put them on.

[Paige Desorbo]

And she's like, actually, like, your dad does do a lot of. I go, name mom. Name them. I was like, I wasn't even talking about him. I was just talking about men in general. I think that was the biggest shock in my 30s that I thought they were like. I just thought they were doing more out here. I thought they were out here.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, they were doing more when we weren't allowed to do as much.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay. Then all of a sudden, Your friends start having babies and they're telling you their birth stories, and they're like, I'm on all fours. I'm doing. I'm doing no epidural. I'm talking to a girl yesterday. She's like, I'm pregnant with twins, and I'm deciding if I'm doing it natural. Like, we're just so much better once you start bringing in labor. I'm like, where do you guys compete with us? Where do you measure up in anything? It's too much for me to handle. I'm also on one today. I got. I had a lot of emails that pissed me off right before I got on the pod.

[Hannah Berner]

We're so connected. You don't even start talking. I got on. I was like, five minutes late. And you. I could just tell by your energy. I was like, oh, she wants to murder. I was like, good morning. How are you?

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, I love everyone that works at Daphne. Like, truly feel like I. They're my friends when I have to do stuff. People don't tell you the relationships you will form in your 30s through, like, your co workers. They don't talk about it, like, seriously as friendship. Like, no, those are real friendships in your 30s that you would have never met in your 20s.

[Hannah Berner]

Because I had so many jobs, though, in my 20s, I really did, like, always have, like, an office camaraderie wife. Yeah. That, like, will still text me to this day and be like, lol. Do you remember when we were in the bathroom crying? I think work, co workers stuff. But that's why people fall in love at work all the time, too, because you're like. You just become bonded.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And that's why I think even on some of these reality shows, you're a

[Paige Desorbo]

bunch of co workers trauma bonded over

[Hannah Berner]

stuff

[Paige Desorbo]

other than us. We're sisters.

[Hannah Berner]

We're sisters. We're tradwife sisters.

[Paige Desorbo]

Soul mates. Hannah, did you think the first time you met me, like, that is my soulmate?

[Hannah Berner]

No. But I knew that, like, there was something about you that I wanted to, like, bother you.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, you know when, like, for some reason, you're like, I want to talk to this person.

[Paige Desorbo]

And for me, there was something about you that I was really comfortable with. Like, I didn't feel like I had to perform for you, which is so funny because all we do together is perform. But, like, one on one, I was like, I don't have to be anything but myself with this girl.

[Hannah Berner]

By the way, when I say wait and think. We were soulmates, I meant, like, when I first Met you very briefly at an office when you were, like, trying to get a meeting, and you were, like, standing there.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

But the second we walked into Summer House, I actually remember someone being like. To me, they were like, we're kind of worried about Paige. Like, she fell asleep the whole day, and, like, we need her to bring it. And I remember, like, being a little defensive of you, and, like, I didn't even know you. And I remember being like, she's fine. She's gonna be fine. She clearly. She's in REM sleep right now, but when she wakes up, she's. I was like, don't talk about my friend like that. Mind you, it was literally one day, and you slept the whole time.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's actually really smart once you get to know her.

[Hannah Berner]

I remember. And, like, look, did you sleep, like, the entire dinner? Yes. Was it? Yes. Well.

[Paige Desorbo]

And now you know that I am nervous. Narcolepsy.

[Hannah Berner]

You know what it is, though, when you go through hard times? This is the same with relationships. You go through hard times, and two people decide, do we want to make this work or not?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And after you decide, like, a bunch of times, you're like, okay, we're obsessed with each other. Like, we can handle things that. But that's your 30s.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, well, because I do think sometimes people are like, oh, that's my friend from work, or something, and they, like, almost, like, brush it off. Like, oh, it's a work relationship. But sometimes I feel like that is the universe, like, putting you in these searches, different situations where it's like, no, this could be a lifelong friend that you've just. You've met a little later. Like, I think we should put more effort into our work friendships, because I think they're more important than people ever give credit to.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, my God. I. I had some of my best friends.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And because also, you have a common goal. You have common things you complain about. Like, it's literally perfect. I loved having a work crush. But also, I do have to say, the reason I'm so happy I'm not in my teens and twenties anymore is because when something bad happens to you, it's the first time something like this has ever happened. And you're like, this is how I die. Like, this is the end for me. I don't see a path out of this. We're in your 30s. You're like, this has happened to me four times already.

[Paige Desorbo]

Right.

[Hannah Berner]

And I know exactly how to deal with this. So, like, everything just is a little less painful in your 30s. And I just Want all the girls to look forward to that?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. Okay. We're going to Eli 5 Venmo.

[Hannah Berner]

Nothing gets me going like an Eli 5.

[Paige Desorbo]

All right, Hannah Eli 5 explain it to me like I'm 5 spending your Venmo balance.

[Hannah Berner]

So if someone Venmo you and you have the Venmo Debit MasterCard, you get instant access to your Venmo balance. In other words, you can spend that money immediately. And with the Venmo debit card, there's no monthly fee or minimum balance required. Oh, and you can also check out online or an app with Venmo. Same thing. Instant balance access now. Paige Eli 5 Venmo stash.

[Paige Desorbo]

You join Venmo Stash rewards and earn up to 5% cash back.

[Hannah Berner]

Anything more?

[Paige Desorbo]

You asked me to Eli5 you. The more you use Venmo, the more you earn. And that's pretty much it.

[Hannah Berner]

Okay. We love and while we're at it, do you want to Ella5 why you still haven't paid me back for the smoothies from this week. My Venmo balance would like to know.

[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

This Father's Day at Lowe's, we have extra big deals for a very limited time so you can get dad the gift he's been wishing for. Get a free select Craftsman Dewalt or cobalt battery when you buy a select combo kit. Plus, save $90 on a cobalt 24 volt battery, string trimmer, and leaf blower combo kit. Now $129. Our best lineup is here at Lowe's. Ballot through 6:15 while supplies. Last selection varies by location. Remember when I was nervous about my pimple?

[Paige Desorbo]

Which one?

[Hannah Berner]

Well, I had a huge pimple before. I was supposed to shoot something, and then it went down in two days.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, the one you recently had on your forehead that you said that you put toothpaste down. It really pissed me off.

[Hannah Berner]

But that's karma. Yeah, that's my karma. Guys, like, you wonder, like, it's called peaceful sleeping and pimples just going away for no reason. That's from. That's from kindness and love.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm over here putting a million needles every four seconds into my skin. You know, I watched a tick Tock video the other day of. Of. It was like an animation of what micro needling actually is.

[Hannah Berner]

You loved it.

[Paige Desorbo]

I loved it, Hannah. I loved it.

[Hannah Berner]

Wait, why do they have to numb your face? Like, because it's that painful?

[Paige Desorbo]

Hell, yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

It's so.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's going. So it's low key. Going deep kind of. Because it's basically hurting your whole face so that your collagen is like, oh, my God. We have to repair the skin, and it, like, boosts your collagen. It's like tricking your skin into thinking it's hurt.

[Hannah Berner]

You sound like the look smacker.

[Paige Desorbo]

I sound like clavicular.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, you're like, if you stab yourself in the face enough, your skin.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's why I find him so annoying.

[Hannah Berner]

I'm like, do not calls up his jawline.

[Paige Desorbo]

I mean, do not come for our aesthetic. Women, for tens of thousands of years have been saying, beauty is pain. Do not come over here.

[Hannah Berner]

I'm, like, nervous to get microneedling, even though I have to.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, I love it. You have to do it.

[Hannah Berner]

So the rest of the day, are you just, like, a freak?

[Paige Desorbo]

No. Oh, my God. Mine, like, I'm red for, like, maybe an hour. One of My girlfriends got it done. And she was red for. This is just how people are, like, very. She was red for like 5 hours and I was read for like 2.

[Hannah Berner]

Also, quick update. I talked about Pepper. I wanted a cat named Pepper. I want to call it Guy Pepper. Turns out every Giggler cat's name is Pepper. I've gotten like a hundred photos of cats named Pepper.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't remember you mentioning this.

[Hannah Berner]

I did.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay.

[Hannah Berner]

And it was a really pivotal point in the podcast. But that's okay. It's literally then all I talked about two weeks ago. But they. There's so many cute cats named Pepper. So I just have to say shout out to everyone who named their cat Pepper.

[Paige Desorbo]

It would be really cute. Like, Pepper, Lemon and Pepper. Like, thinking if you got like an orange cat, you named it Lemon and then you got like a blue black catty named a Pepper.

[Hannah Berner]

I love how you say orange.

[Paige Desorbo]

Orange, Orange.

[Hannah Berner]

We have to discuss Ethan and Ariana now.

[Paige Desorbo]

Why did she take that lady's husband if she didn't want him? Why did she do that?

[Hannah Berner]

I love how you just say what everyone's afraid to say.

[Paige Desorbo]

You didn't need that man. You didn't want that man. You didn't care about that man. Let that man go be with his wife and child.

[Hannah Berner]

That's why her song, which is I hate that. I mean, you. I made you love me. Everyone's like, we think it's about the fans. I'm like, no, I think it's about

[Paige Desorbo]

her three long year affair. I think he's weak and disgusting. Like, I think if you can leave your wife and a newborn baby, like, what conviction do you have in this world? Like, who are you as a person?

[Hannah Berner]

I heard that in the theater community. Because he's like one of the three straight men. He's like, wanted. Like, everyone's like, he's hot. So in his.

[Paige Desorbo]

In the theater world, okay, so a made up realm.

[Hannah Berner]

But you.

[Paige Desorbo]

So you think he's like a toxic boy because he's like, he only lives in the theater world where people are like, you're so hot and you're so cool and like, we want you where. If he went and worked, like, in finance. Yeah. He'd have a very different experience.

[Hannah Berner]

He'd be hazed. I think that's why he even had the confidence. And she loves musical theater. Like, I'm trying to make sense of it.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, like that he had the confidence to even cheat on his wife with Ariana Grande.

[Hannah Berner]

Like, at some point you're like, actually, this is like I have a hot take.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

And this could be completely wrong, but I think Ariana Grande has a little Justin Bieber to her where she doesn't have any dopamine left because she's done so many things in her career that are so spectacular and intense and amazing. So for her to feel something, she has to, like, steal someone's house.

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay, do you want to hear my argument? I argue that Ariana Grande went through a very public breakup with Mac Miller, and then ultimately he died. Not shortly thereafter. There was a shooting at one of her concerts.

[Hannah Berner]

So traumatizing, that is two really extremely

[Paige Desorbo]

traumatizing canon events, I would assume. And I would think that your whole brain chemistry is rewired after both of those things, let alone, like, them back to back, because you don't know how long it takes people to actually grieve and, like, actually get through traumatic things and process things. And like, I would say is shooting at your concert where little girls die is like years and years of, like, actually working through that. And I could see her being, like, a little, like, she changed. Like, I don't know, like, she got me disconnected and so almost doesn't feel like, hey, you just stole this lady's husband and you did like, a really bad, morally bad thing. Like, cheating is bad. Like, you shouldn't have participated in that. And I could see her almost, like, not even like, okay, we want to know what something bad is. Something bad is someone dying. Like, falling in love actually isn't bad. You know, I could see that being part of.

[Hannah Berner]

By the way, we don't know.

[Paige Desorbo]

We're making this up.

[Hannah Berner]

We're making this up. This is all made up. But also, like, I would love to be a fly on the wall when Ethan is going to, like, co parent and she's like, hey, how's. How's Ariana?

[Paige Desorbo]

Or just like your kid growing up and being like, why did you guys get divorced and be like, well, your dad left me for Ariana, grandma, pop star.

[Hannah Berner]

And she played with him like a cat for about two, two and a half years. But it's funny how it's like, the second Wicked is over. Like, give it two months and it's. That's a. That's a work wife.

[Paige Desorbo]

That's a work wife.

[Hannah Berner]

Why don't you just be normal and just cheat and not tell your wife, like a normal person in Hollywood.

[Paige Desorbo]

Have sex at a hotel, you freaks. Like, what? Also, my thing is like, no, I

[Hannah Berner]

love a dramatic pause.

[Paige Desorbo]

I was just trying to, like, think how I. I've had Some really good sex in my life. Of course. Of course. I've also had some really non eventful sex in my life. No one that I've ever had sex with would be worth blowing up my whole life would be worth like ruining this other woman's life. I don't get, I don't get that. It is funny actually, when I lost my virginity and I told my mom, I think I actually said like, and I don't really get the hype about sex. And I feel like she looked at me like, yeah, I get that.

[Hannah Berner]

I feel like when you're younger, we were so afraid to talk about sex and the Gen Z's are probably different. Well, I don't even know if they're having sex. But like, do you remember when your friends would talk about it for like the first couple years, like, she gave it hand job, she gave a bj, but no one was like telling each other, like, she lost her virginity, but no one was like, it's really bad. Like, when did we start? Was it in college? I don't even know in college because we still would be like, we're hooking up. Like, we're hooking up but we weren't being open with each other that like the sex would maybe would be like always a small dick or.

[Paige Desorbo]

I don't even think I started calling men out for having a small dick until I was like later in college where I like said to my friend, I think you might have a small dick. But like, I don't know.

[Hannah Berner]

I remember once, this was like early 20s, this guy just got out of a really long relationship and we went back to my place and I guess he was trying to like, sorry, mom, like finger me.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

But he was like, he actually, I'm not even joking. Was on like the muscle that connects my leg and my vagina.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, that like bone right there. I know, exactly.

[Hannah Berner]

And at first I was like, okay, he's, he's teasing me. He's teasing like the full, like the

[Paige Desorbo]

dip in which your thigh connects to your actual vag. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Hannah Berner]

And then it like went on like a little too long. And then I realized, oh, you think he hit the spot? And then I immediately thought about his girlfriend who he's been with for like seven years, who he just got out of a relationship with. And I was like, she either didn't know or she didn't. Didn't want to speak up or like how this happened. So girls, we have to speak up. But I remember telling my Friend, like, he fingered my thigh, and I was. I was so funny that night. I had a great night. Was killing.

[Paige Desorbo]

It's so important, because also, that is, like, gossiping. And that's what keeps women, like, alive. Like, I think. I mean, I had such a good mom, though. Thank God I felt comfortable enough to go to my mom to be like, hey, like, I think I have. Like, it's burning when I pee. Like, and that's what it is. Like, so can you help me? But, like, if I was nervous, I would never know.

[Hannah Berner]

Well, that's like Whitney and in Housewives. I mean, in Mormon Wives, when she's like, mom, why couldn't you tell me what sex was? I had to figure it on my wedding night. And it was a fucking horror. Horror film. And I'm like, yeah, that's why you have to talk to people for safety and pleasure and understanding. We're not holes. We're not just holes.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do you want to hear something so crazy about when I told my mom that I wasn't a virgin anymore?

[Hannah Berner]

You never told me this before.

[Paige Desorbo]

Now, thinking back, I must have had a UTI because I literally made myself sick thinking that I had, like, an std.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, yeah. Everyone thinks that.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like, literally, like, I couldn't sleep. Like, I was, like, sick. I was like, I have to tell my mom. Like, oh, my God. Like, so many. I'll never forget.

[Hannah Berner]

I'm like, you're like, I'm gonna die. And she doesn't know it's because of herpes.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm a senior in high school, and I, like, go. I'll never forget. It was like being a little kid going down into the kitchen. Like, I threw up. I was like, mom.

[Hannah Berner]

And she.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'll never forget. She was ironing, and I was like, I have to die. Which is so classic Italian mom. She's like. She's like, what?

[Hannah Berner]

I'm like, okay.

[Paige Desorbo]

So, like, something is, like, kind of happening with, like, my vagina. And, like, I don't know what's going on. And, like. And she. I remember her, like, staring at me, and I'm like. And, like, I had sex, and I remember whispering, like, sex. So, like, anxiety made me tell her. Not, like, our amazing relationship and bond, just anxiety.

[Hannah Berner]

We were so different because my mom was like, you should probably have sex by now.

[Paige Desorbo]

And she was like, okay, well, what's going on? Do you want to show me? Like, and so, like, that. And ultimately, I think I probably had, like, a little bit of a utn. She was like, just drink water and, like, we'll see what happens. And, like, nothing happens. But couple weeks later, maybe, like, I'd have to call Stephanie and, like, really figure out the story because I won't remember. I got into a fight with one of my girlfriends in high school. Who knows about what? But we were, like, really fighting. Okay. Like, to the point where she, like, called my house phone. And I'll never forget I've spoken to her since this. Like, obviously, she called your house phone

[Hannah Berner]

to hash it out, like, after school.

[Paige Desorbo]

No, she called my house phone. And I'll never forget answering and being like, hello? And her being like, let me talk to your mom. And I'm like, no, you're not talking to my mom, you freak. I feel comfortable saying this because her and I are, like, friends. So, like, thinking back, it's, like, so funny. I'm like, you're not talking to my mommy, freak. Like, what are you gonna say to my mom?

[Hannah Berner]

And I'll never forget, she was gonna.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's gonna spill the beans, yelling, paige actually isn't a virgin. And she did her boyfriend. And I remember being like, how dare you?

[Hannah Berner]

Dare you try to ruin my life? I'm an angel.

[Paige Desorbo]

And I'll never forget my mom heard it and got on the phone and was like, hey, you guys are having a fight and that's your friend. You don't go and try and, like, tell on her. And I remember being like, yeah, mom.

[Hannah Berner]

Like. And she hung up and she was like, we have to talk.

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah. And then she hung up and she was like, what are you doing?

[Hannah Berner]

She goes, what's up, slut?

[Paige Desorbo]

But anyway, that's just like girlhood. And we love.

[Hannah Berner]

Paige loves nostalgia. She's working on it in her therapy later this week. Actually, this is her therapy session. Thank you, guys.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, we're done.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, we're done. Thank you for giggling with us. Keep sending me photos from the Hulu special. Happy anniversary to Daphne, baby. Not the cat, the company. And we'll talk to you later. Bye.

[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

This Father's Day at Lowe's, we have extra big deals for a very limited time so you can get dad the gift he's been wishing for. Get a free Select Craftsman dewalt or Cobalt battery when you buy a select combo kit. Plus, save $90 on a cobalt 24 volt battery, string trimmer and leaf blower combo kit. Now $129. Our best lineup is here at Lowe's. Ballot through 615 while supplies last selection varies by location.