A (2:19)

Oh, easily, easily. This is a very durable. It's not new. I mean if I had to guess this, this chair is probably 40 or 50 years old.

B (2:27)

Easily.

A (2:27)

Yeah, but. But it's very classic look with a big brass. What do you call them?

B (2:33)

Like a hobnail kind of look.

A (2:35)

Yeah. So really cool look. But yeah, we got it for a song at the. The resale shop in Crane.

B (2:41)

Yep.

A (2:42)

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B (3:01)

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A (3:19)

Yes. And I've got an upcoming interview with Corey Serrano, who is in a deliverance ministry and some of those topics. When you start talking about some of

B (3:32)

those topics, some of those topics, you know exactly what we're talking about.

A (3:35)

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B (3:54)

It's absolutely wrong to do it that way.

A (3:57)

But we don't want to give up the Mars Hill opportunity. I mean, when Paul went to Mars Hill in Athens, he didn't start smashing all the pagan idols.

B (4:08)

No.

A (4:09)

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B (4:32)

Yep. Also, there's a new thing. You can hype a video. I do that on videos that I really like. And what it does is it moves them up in the algorithm. So, yes, more people are. It's suggested to more people.

A (4:44)

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B (5:03)

You can ask us questions.

A (5:04)

Ask us questions. And we've got some questions we will address at the end of this study, in fact, today. So again, you'll find the app@gilberthouse.org app

B (5:15)

so we're in the Book of Amos. Today.

A (5:17)

Yeah. Some fascinating stuff here, especially when we get the Amos, because of a study that Chuck Missler did years ago, and then some explanation by way of the late Dr. Michael Heiser as to why certain things were translated a certain way. But we will also get into. Oh, and also because we weren't here last Sunday, because it was Resurrection Sunday, this would be the first Sunday of the month. And so we will have communion. And we will do that at the end of the study as well.

B (5:48)

Indeed. So you can either gather the elements now, if you've got crackers. You know most of us don't have unleavened bread at home.

A (5:55)

Right.

B (5:56)

A tortilla would do. It's not leavened. Yeah, a pita would work. Or just a cracker. And you can drink. We sometimes drink wine, actually, because we have. We have a bottle of wine that was gifted to us at a conference, and it's delicious. It's homemade and we occasionally will use that. But you can also use water. It is not magical.

A (6:23)

No, no.

B (6:24)

This is representative of what the Lord did for us.

A (6:26)

Exactly. Exactly. So we will get into that at the end of this study as well. Tell you about a couple of things coming in, of course. The OG report. The OG report. So all of that. But we'll begin with a word of prayer. Father, we thank you for bringing us together over your word today. And, Lord, we know that there are many things happening in this world that grieve you. The bloodshed, the death, the anger, the hatred, the violence. Not just here on our streets, Lord, but in terms of war around the world. Father, we pray for a swift and peaceful resolution to the conflict with Iran. Lord, we pray for our friends in Israel and for the peace of Jerusalem in the ongoing conflict there with Hezbollah in the north. But also the fact that Hamas, despite the fact that it has been utterly defeated, still refuses to lay down its arms and continues to oppress the people of Gaza and demand their total loyalty upon pain of, well, torture or death. Lord, we know this is not how you intended for us to live. The fallen realm has been working for millennia to turn us against you. And we know, Father, that even those of us who proclaim to be followers of you fail each day by thought, word and deed. Lord, we pray as we study today, we draw closer to you that your spirit would grant us wisdom and discernment, that we would understand your word to the best of our ability, Lord, to internalize it, to make it part of our operating system. Rewrite the code of our operating systems, Father, that we would Be more aligned with your will. And we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.

B (8:39)

Amen.

A (8:40)

Yeah, this is. There's some already but not yet stuff here in so much Amos. And again to timestamp, the book of Amos, he was writing in the early 8th century BC during the time of Jeroboam II in the north, the kingdom of Israel, and the time of King Uzziah in the Kingdom of Judah in the south. And this was a time when the power of the Assyrian kingdom in what is now northern Iraq and southern Turkey was beginning to grow. And the Assyrians were spreading into Mesopotamia. They had conquered what was left of the Babylonian empire. Although the Babylonians, the original Babylonian empire, was founded by Amorites around the time of Abraham, they were conquered in the early 15th century B.C. if I remember the date right, it was around 1505 B.C. or somewhere around there, where the Kashites came down from the mountains of Iran and conquered the Amorites. And they actually ruled Babylon for longer than the Amorites did.

B (9:51)

Was our Kesh built prior to that

A (9:55)

or cash goes back to about 3,500bc

B (9:58)

the reason I'm asking is because KSH is very similar to Kashites.

A (10:02)

Yeah.

B (10:03)

And it just means city of.

A (10:05)

Yeah. So city of Kassite, K, A, S, S, I, T, E is how it's transliterated. I think it's pronounced Kashite, but I could be wrong.

B (10:14)

Yeah. Just thinking, is it city of Kish or city of Kush, or.

A (10:18)

Could be. Could be.

B (10:22)

Vowels were suggested back in the day.

A (10:24)

Yes, yes. And the Ur, Kashdim, the city of the. Which is often translated as Ur of the Chaldees, could actually be Ur of the Kashtim, or Kesh, which is in northern Syria near the border with Turkey. So that is probably where Abraham came from, not in southern Iraq, which is where most people have been taught.

B (10:49)

Yeah, fascinating. If you like archaeology, you can look at the research by the Buccilatis. They are not currently digging there, but they've written a lot of papers about it.

A (10:59)

Yeah. And they're getting older now. I don't think they'll be able to

B (11:01)

go back to this. No, probably not.

A (11:02)

Sadly, the Syrian civil war that broke out in 2011 put an end to the digs there at Urkesh. But, yeah, when the Kashites came in and conquered Babylon, they changed the name of the city, which most people don't know for like 1100 years. It was not Babylon, it was Carduniush. Yeah. So now that's interesting, but the Kashites have sort of been Forgotten by history. Because Babylon has become such a famous byword and representation of evil that even though the Kashites ruled Babylon longer than the Amorites who founded it, they've sort of been forgotten. And the fact that it was named Carduna for so long, that was changed back to Babylon when the Chaldeans came back in and took it. But. And of course, the Assyrians ruled there for a few centuries before they got kicked out by Nebuchadnezzar's father Nebulides. Nebuchadnezzar.

B (12:03)

Carduniash being a Kashite term.

A (12:06)

Yeah.

B (12:07)

Interesting. Well, it also is very similar to Kardashian, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Not totally related to that because then

A (12:15)

there are Armenians and they come from. You know.

B (12:17)

Exactly.

A (12:17)

So that's. That's totally different.

B (12:19)

By the way, the name Amos, you have to ask what guy says, hey, let's name our son burden bearer. That's what Amos means.

A (12:31)

Well, good question. But he did bear a burden. That's for sure.

B (12:35)

He did.

A (12:35)

Amos was not just a shepherd. He was one who basically ran a sheep farm. Basically. He was. He was not the guy out in the field necessarily.

B (12:46)

Right.

A (12:47)

But he probably. Many of the prophets of Hebrew prophets didn't live very peaceful lives or very happy lives. And it was not fun when you had to go tell the king, hey, king, you really messed this up, because that was, you know, not a safe place to be when you're standing in front of the king telling him off.

B (13:10)

Unless the king is, you know, I don't know, Kierstarmer. And he'll just look at you like he has no idea what deer in the headlights.

A (13:19)

The words you're saying mean deer in the headlights. Yeah, that's his typical expression.

B (13:24)

He does think he's a king, though.

A (13:25)

I think Amos 6, beginning at verse 1. Woe to those who are at ease in Zion and to those who feel secure on the mountains of Samaria, the notable men of the first of the nations to whom the house of Israel comes.

B (13:42)

Okay, say that again.

A (13:45)

The notable men of the first of the nations.

B (13:48)

In the Septuagint, it says they have gathered the harvest of the heads of the nations. Now, I assume that means not literal head. No, we've beheaded all of them, but that we've gathered the chiefs of the nations yet, and they've gone in themselves, gathered the harvest of.

A (14:10)

Pass over to Kelna and sea, and from there go to Hamath the Great, then go down to Gath of the Philistines. Kalna was a city in northern Syria. It was destroyed by the Assyrians. Northern Syria, rather.

B (14:26)

Calna is not in Septuagint. Well, it says, o house of Israel, pass by all of you and see, and pass by thence to Imitrabah and thence descend to Gath of the Philistines, the chief of all these kingdoms. See if their coasts are greater than your coasts.

A (14:45)

Yeah, I didn't get to that part of verse two. We go down to the Gath of the Philistines. Are you better than these kingdoms or is their territory greater than your territory? O you who put far away the day of disaster and bring near the

B (14:59)

seat of violence, where, just for those who are visual the way I am, Gath is located where, in relation to Ashkelon and what we call modern day Gaza.

A (15:13)

It is northeast of Gaza, east of Ashkelon, southwest of Jerusalem.

B (15:17)

Okay.

A (15:18)

Gath is, of course, the home city of Goliath and interestingly, Kuriat Gath, in other words, a city, a modern city near the ruins of Gath is where the Donald Trump Board of Peace is operating.

B (15:36)

From the Board of Peace that doesn't want to get together and really do anything.

A (15:40)

Well, Israel has just kicked out Spain from the Board of Peace of Kiryat Gatundably.

B (15:48)

So Spain is all about Islam right now.

A (15:52)

Yeah. Which is ironic.

B (15:54)

Oh, I know, I know. If you and I believe that ghosts could return. We don't really believe that El Cid would be. El Cid. And Queen Isabella.

A (16:03)

Queen Isabella, yeah. They were among those who fought the 700 year Reconquista, which is the reconquest of Spain, where they had to take it back from the Muslims, from the Moors, which were Muslims. Muslims. Right. Now back to Calna. Calna was a city in northern Syria that was destroyed by the Assyrians in 738 B.C. so Amos prophesying the. The disaster that is coming on them and then prophesying that it's going to come to Israel, too. Hamath is also a city in northern Syria or was

B (16:46)

in a Septuagint. And I'll say the only city named are Gath and Amitrabah.

A (16:52)

Yeah. Hamath Raba. Rabba is.

B (16:55)

Oh, Hamat Raba. Okay.

A (16:57)

Hamath the Great.

B (16:58)

Okay.

A (16:59)

Yeah. In fact, another rabbit trail here. The etymology of Rephaim, it comes from a Semitic root, Rp Ayin, which in Ugaritic is usually transliterated as Rapayuma. But a scholar named Brian B. Schmidt, whose work I've cited in a couple of our books, and I know you, you copied or cited my citation.

B (17:31)

I Did I always cite you?

A (17:33)

The very exciting. Schmidt argued that the. That rather than the word meaning healer or physician as it's sometimes translated, came from an Akkadian word, rabbi, um, meaning the great ones, to be great or mighty. So in other words, his translation of Rephaim meant the mighty ones or the great ones.

B (18:03)

Okay, question for you.

A (18:04)

So, Rabba, meaning coming from that same root, Hamath, the great Hamath Rabba.

B (18:09)

On behalf of our listeners, I want to ask you, is the word rabbi, which means teacher, etymologically linked?

A (18:21)

I don't know. That's a good question.

B (18:24)

Neither do I. Just want to ask the question.

A (18:26)

Yeah, Good question. Don't know. Anyway, this verse 2, then pass over to Calne. Go to Hamath Gatha, the Philistines. Are you better than these kingdoms? In other words, what he's saying is, if these kingdoms, which are greater than yours, are going to suffer this fate at the hand of the Assyrians, so will you.

B (18:52)

I just looked it up. It is etymologically linked to the Hebrew root rbb, which means great or numerous.

A (19:02)

Okay.

B (19:03)

Often signifying a respected authority or great one.

A (19:08)

Okay.

B (19:09)

It does not mean that rabbis are linked to the passage, right? No. Nor are they linked to the refine.

A (19:19)

Yeah.

B (19:20)

It just is a word that has the same root. You know me, I love language.

A (19:29)

Verse 3. O you who put far away the day of disaster and bring near the seat of violence.

B (19:36)

Oh, is that the entire verse?

A (19:39)

Verse 3. Yeah.

B (19:41)

Ye who are approaching the evil day, who are drawing near and adopting false Sabbaths. You can understand why the Masoretes might want to take that out.

A (19:55)

Yeah, that's true.

B (19:57)

What does the more modern translation.

A (20:01)

Same thing.

B (20:02)

False Sabbath.

A (20:03)

Yeah.

B (20:05)

That's interesting.

A (20:06)

Yeah. And again, this is why we look at the Septuagint, to see the differences between the Septuagint and the more modern rendering. Our English Bibles are based on the Masoretic text, which was completed around 900 AD or about a thousand to eleven hundred years later than the Septuagint was translated from Hebrew into Greek.

B (20:26)

Yeah.

A (20:27)

So adopting Masoretes changed it things just a little bit. Yeah. Accusing us of holding false Sabbaths. No. Verse 4. Woe to those who live on beds of ivory. And of course, that was expensive. Yeah. According to Assyrian records, a couch with ivory inlay was part of the tribute paid by King Hezekiah to Sennacherib. Oh, that's in Second Kings, 13:16, when Sennacherib attacks the fortified cities of Judah. More than 500 ivory fragments dated to the 9th and 8th centuries BC have been found in excavations at Samaria.

B (21:12)

Oh, my goodness.

A (21:13)

Now we were supposed to go visit Samaria, which is later called Sebast Sebastia, when we were in Israel last fall, but because the IDF suddenly said, hey, if you guys want to get up to Joshua's altar, we can make that happen today. So we obviously bypassed the ruins of Samaria and went to Joshua's altar instead.

B (21:38)

Don't regret that at all.

A (21:40)

No, but yeah, that was well known that Omri and Ahab used a lot of ivory in the construction of their palace there at Samaria. Woe to you. Woe to those who lie on beds of ivory and stretch themselves out on their couches and eat lambs from the flock and calves from the midst of the stall.

B (22:01)

This says, live delicately on their couches,

A (22:06)

who sing idle songs to the sounds of the heart and like David, invent for themselves instruments of music, who drink wine in bowls and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph. They are ignoring the plight of the poor. Yeah, you could say that that would be also relevant to modern day America as we look at the rich getting richer. I mean, the percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% in the United States since the 1970s has grown, and the amount of wealth held by the bottom 50% has shrunk drastically.

B (22:53)

When you were doing a talk show, daily talk show in Columbia, Missouri, and interviewed a lot of people, one of the people you interviewed was. Oh, I can see him now. He wrote a book on the destruction of the middle class. He.

A (23:13)

Lou Dobbs.

B (23:14)

Lou Dobbs, yes. And he was absolutely right. There was a war on the middle class that hadn't begun exactly that year, but it was really ramping up. And we're seeing shrinking. Yeah, shrinking middle class.

A (23:31)

Yeah, I got to interview some pretty good. Some pretty interesting people back then. You did Lou Dobbs, who of course is many, for many, many years, broadcaster on CNN and then Fox Business.

B (23:41)

Mm.

A (23:43)

And yeah, this was back in 2006 and 7. Pat Buchanan.

B (23:50)

Yes, he was really fascinating.

A (23:52)

Yeah.

B (23:53)

And of course, on Fridays, you named your Friday show Off Road, Off Road Friday, which allowed you to bring in some of the PID radio guests.

A (24:01)

Right, Exactly. Yeah. The name of the program, because it was during the afternoon drive time slot, called it the Drive, and then Friday was Off Road Friday. But yeah, the destruction of the middle class is a phenomenon that's been ongoing here in the US since the 1970s. And Lou Dobbs had a very good book about that back 20 years ago. And apparently this was a problem 2800 years ago in Israel and Judah as well. Therefore, verse 7. They shall now be the first of those who go into exile, and the revelry of those who stretch themselves out shall pass away.

B (24:44)

And this says, and the neighing of horses shall be cut off from Ephraim.

A (24:50)

And that is exactly what happened. When the Assyrians came, they destroyed the northern kingdom. They never did take Jerusalem, but they did capture most of the fortified cities of Judah, like Lachish, which was a very powerful city in the southern part of the.

B (25:07)

Wasn't one of the military tactics to hobble the horses so that they could not be used with chariots?

A (25:15)

Yeah.

B (25:17)

I mean, that's horrific.

A (25:19)

It is. It's cruel. Verse 8. The Lord Yahweh has sworn by himself, declares Yahweh, the God of hosts, the God of armies. I abhor the pride of Jacob and hate his strongholds, and I will deliver up the city and all that is in it. When you get to the point where you think that, hey, you know, we're all that, then God says, okay, well, you will learn otherwise. Verse 9. And if 10 men remain in one house, they shall die. And when one's relative, the one who anoints him for burial shall take him up to bring the bones out of the house and shall say to him who is in the innermost parts of the house, is there still anyone with you? He shall say, no. And he shall say, silence. We must not mention the name of Yahweh.

B (26:12)

Oh, that's as if if we say his name, he'll come get us because we're hiding.

A (26:22)

Yeah, or out of fear of calling down more judgment.

B (26:28)

Well, let me take a second here, because I want to link this to something. Revelation 6, verse 16. And say, and they said to the mountains and the rocks fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. So rich guys trying to hide once again.

A (27:05)

Yeah.

B (27:07)

From judgment. Nothing changes. There is nothing new under the sun.

A (27:15)

Verse 11. For behold, Yahweh commands, and the great house shall be struck down into fragments and the little house into bits. Now, some rhetorical questions here. Do horses run on rocks? Of course they do not. Does one plow there with oxen? Although the Hebrew says here could also mean, does one plow the sea with oxen?

B (27:42)

That's interesting, because that's not in here at all. It asks, will they? The horses refrain from neighing at mares. No stallions don't stop neighing at the mares.

A (27:55)

They do not.

B (27:57)

I have been around horses for a lot of my life, and, no, when there are stallions in with the mares, interesting things happen.

A (28:09)

Yes.

B (28:12)

For ye have turned judgment into poison and the fruit of righteousness into bitterness. That's the rest of verse 13 in the Septuagint.

A (28:19)

Well, I've not read 13.

B (28:21)

Oh, I'm sorry. Because that's what you just read in the Septuagint. I know it's called verse 12, but it's calling it 13 in the Septuagint.

A (28:32)

Verse 12 in its entirety is this. Do horses run on rocks? Does one plow? And according to the new English translation, the Hebrew literally, literally says, does one plow with oxen? And of course, the answer to that would be yes. But this is a rhetorical question. There should be no. Obviously doesn't fit the parallelism, because the answer is, of course not. An error of fusion has occurred in the Hebrew with the word yam being accidentally added as a plural to the collective noun bakar, meaning oxen. So a proper division of the consonants produces the above translation, can one plow the sea with oxen? And, of course, that makes more sense. Yeah. Again, as Sharon said earlier, in the original Hebrew, there were no vowels. And so you had to sort of assume what vowels were supposed to go where. And if you. Because there was also no spacing or punctuation, you also had to assume which consonants went where. And so what the net Bible translators are saying, there is the word yam, meaning sea, was accidentally grouped incorrectly and leading to the phrase, does one plow with oxen? Instead of does one plow the sea with oxen?

B (29:56)

Did you know that our English word mare is also etymologically linked to an ancient word for sea?

A (30:03)

Yeah, yeah, I know this word sea in French is mer. M. Er.

B (30:08)

Yeah.

A (30:09)

But you have turned justice into poison and the fruit of righteousness into wormwood.

B (30:15)

Bitterness. Yeah.

A (30:17)

You who rejoice in lo Debar, which means nothing. But it's also a town in the northern part of the Transjordan, near where the Yarmouk river joins the Jordan river, part of the territory that Jeroboam II reconquered and re added to the Kingdom of Israel in the north.

B (30:35)

Yeah. Is Yarmuk where. Where Joshua crossed?

A (30:42)

No, no, he crossed near the Jabbok.

B (30:46)

Oh, that's right.

A (30:47)

Yeah. Which today is called the Zadok River.

B (30:49)

Yeah.

A (30:50)

But, no, the Yarmuk meets the Jordan just south of the Sea of Galilee.

B (30:56)

Okay.

A (30:57)

Very Important battle fought there in the year 632 between the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantines and the armies of Islam, which over a course of four days, the Islamic army wound up winning a smashing victory. And there went on to take over the Middle east and then North Africa and then Spain and then most of Anatolia and Persia and etc. Etc. Yeah. Sort of like the plot of the

B (31:26)

novel Dune, very much like.

A (31:30)

In which the freemen of Dune represent

B (31:33)

Muslims and the Mahdi is Muadib.

A (31:37)

Muadib, yes, exactly. Didn't realize that when I read that as a kid back in the 70s, but yeah, now it's like. Need to go back and reread that

B (31:47)

anyway, books one and two don't go past that.

A (31:51)

It gets really weird. You who rejoice in Lo Debar, who say, have we not by our own strength captured Carneum for ourselves? Of course, Ashtaroth Carneum was one of the cities that was ruled by Aga Bashan. They found the ruins of it. It's in modern day Jordan. No, I take that back because it's north of the Yarmouk River. It's in southern Syria, very near the Jordanian border, into the Sea of Galilee.

B (32:24)

I think the name of that town means horns. It does, yeah. It says, have we not possessed horns by our own strength?

A (32:31)

Yeah.

B (32:31)

So it's etymologically linked to Kronos name.

A (32:34)

Yes, it is. But Ashtaroth Carneum, Astarte of the horns. And not far from Lo Debara, Flo Debar is near the Yarmouk River. Ashtaroth Carneum was not that far from there. One of the battles fought by the kings of the East, Keder leomer, in Genesis 14 was at Ashtaroth Carneum against the Rephaim

B (32:59)

boy. Yeah, you know it. And this is why I love the study and reading things out loud because that's when you and I, at least when I notice things that. Oh, hold on. I've read this idea elsewhere. And you going back to Genesis, it is the same author for the entire Bible. Holy Spirit.

A (33:29)

Yeah.

B (33:32)

And poor Amos that had to go deliver this.

A (33:37)

Yeah, yeah. Esther, I'm looking at the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, which is one of the additional books that you can add to your Logos Bible software collection. And again, thank you for your support because Logos isn't exactly cheap, but it's such a wonderful reference material we use almost every day.

B (33:59)

Oh, I know you do,

A (34:02)

Yeah.

B (34:03)

I tend to go for the things that are free. And it's so that you listening, if you can't afford logos. And even the entry level is what, a hundred dollars, 200 just to get the basics.

A (34:19)

They've changed their model now where it's a monthly subscription.

B (34:23)

Oh, regardless, I think. Oh, that's.

A (34:26)

I'm on the subscription model now, which allows me. So I've got Logos Max. So I can basically get all kinds of commentaries and I can get, you know, books from Greek poets like Hesiod and Homer, which sometimes relate to what we study.

B (34:41)

And I so agree with that. I think that's wonderful that you listening. Your donations, your support have helped us to do things like that so that we can continue getting the information and making sense of it. But I like to do the things that are free so that anybody can access this information. I can't always get all of the things you've got, but I can find a lot of those old books by Hesiod, etc.

A (35:07)

Yeah, and I'm glad I'm looking at this because I was mistaken on this. Just slightly. I was right. It is in modern day southern Syria. Back in the day it was part of Gilead, which was the territory of Reuben. But it's in Bashan. It's in Bashan. A good bit of Bashan is actually in what is now Syria, which is too bad because they can't, you know, Israeli archaeologists can't cross the border into Syria and do any digging over there. But Ashtaroth and Edre, Astaroth, Carneum is the same city as Ashtaroth in Bashan. But it does not mean a start day of the two horns. As I said, it indicates that it was located near Carneum, which is a separate location, about four kilometers away. So about two and a half miles away. So they were near each other, but they were not, you know, Carneum and Ashtaroth, not quite the same city. And it. Yeah, it's. But you are right, Carneum does mean horns. And as scholar Nicholas Wyatt pointed out the name Kronos, the king of the Titans, equivalent of El, the father God of the Canaanites. His name, whose main epithet was bull, El Kronos. His name means horns or the horned one.

B (36:26)

Exactly. So start with chapter seven.

A (36:31)

Well, let me finish up. Oh, sorry, you who rejoice in lo Debar, who say we have not by our own strength captured Carnium for ourselves. Verse 14. For behold, I will raise up against you a nation, O house of Israel, declares Yahweh, the God of hosts. And they shall oppress you from Lebo Hamath, which is far in the north of Syria to the Brook of Aravah,

B (36:56)

probably close to Gilead.

A (36:58)

Well, we're talking up near the Turkish border.

B (37:02)

Whoa. Yeah. That's way up there.

A (37:04)

Yeah. Lebo Hamath is essentially. Basically saying all of Israel and Judah, because the Brook of Aravah, that's the valley between the Dead Sea and the Red Sea.

B (37:17)

Now, you mentioned Bashan a minute ago, and we're now going to have proof of that, understanding that this Book of Amos didn't have chapter divisions back in the day. Ready?

A (37:29)

Yep.

B (37:30)

Okay. Now I'm going to read aloud from the esv, which is what Derek's been reading from, as he sort of spots the Septuagint in the background and lets us know if there are differences. This is what the Lord Yahweh showed me. Now, we say Yahweh because when you see all caps G O D or all caps L O R D, the word translated there is Yahweh. And the Holy Spirit used that word for a reason.

A (37:59)

Right.

B (38:00)

It is like the really powerful, almighty Creator word. There are other names for the Lord, our Creator, that are aspects of his dealings with us, aspects of his personality. You might say Yeshua being one of his names. This is what the Lord Yahweh showed me.

A (38:27)

And by the way, when Sharon says Lord, there, it's because in the Hebrew, that word is Adonai.

B (38:32)

Yes, exactly. Adonai Yahweh.

A (38:34)

Right, exactly.

B (38:35)

This is what Adonai Yahweh showed me. Behold, he was forming locusts when the latter growth was just beginning to sprout. And behold, it was the latter growth after the king's mowings. So what part of the year would this be in?

A (38:55)

Do we know the Ladder? Well, let me see. After the king's mowing, so the sprouting of the second crop. Israel's growing season had two main crops. The first was planted in the autumn, harvested in the spring. The second was planted during the winter and harvested in early summer. The growth was supported by the early and late rain cycle.

B (39:18)

And if you've ever been to Israel during the rain season, you know what they're talking about.

A (39:24)

Yeah. The latter rain would be the one in the summer, apparently, or the one in the spring.

B (39:35)

Okay.

A (39:36)

Yeah. The second was planted during the winter, harvested in the early summer. So the latter rain would actually be the one that was in the spring, I guess, that was growing the crops, or the one over the winter.

B (39:48)

And here's the thing. If you're listening to this and you're thinking, I've heard that term Term latter rain before. Yeah, it's because it's a concept within Christianity looking at prophetic timelines. And so the latter rain is sometimes. Now, I cannot tell you that this is legit, as in this is how the Lord means it, but sometimes it is the way the Lord deals with us in the lead up to his return that he will once again. Show manifest His Holy Spirit in the ways that it was during the early days of Christianity, the seeking the latter rain. It is in a lot of charismatic churches, right?

A (40:36)

The latter rain is in fact the spring rain, the summer harvest. Now, the Septuagint, and this is what we were referring to early on with the teaching of Chuck Missler, which is really weird. And there's an explanation for this that Mike Heiser gave as to why this is translated this way. But I heard Chuck Missler on a teaching, explain this in the Septuagint. The Brenton Septuagint renders verse one this way. Thus has the Lord God showed me. And behold a swarm of locusts coming from the east. And behold one caterpillar. King Gog.

B (41:19)

Yes. And where it says, after the king's mowings, somehow, either the manuscript itself, the Hebrew manuscript from which the Septuagint translators were making their choices, either they regrouped somehow, or it was an entirely different words there.

A (41:43)

Now here interested the. The Lexum Septuagint renders it this way. Thus the Lord God showed me. And look, the offspring of locusts is coming early. And look, one locust is a gag.

B (41:58)

The king, okay, that was a human,

A (42:02)

I think a gag was the king, king of the. Amalekites, who was not put to death by King Saul. I got to do a quick search on that, but I believe that that is correct because Haman in the book of Esther was called Haman the Agagite,

B (42:29)

spared by King Saul against divine orders. 1st Samuel 15, subsequently executed here into pieces by Samuel. Yes, his name literally means high or warlike.

A (42:43)

First Samuel 15, beginning at verse 32. Then Samuel said, bring here to me Agag, the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came to him cheerfully. Agag said, surely the bitterness of death has passed. And Samuel said, as your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women. And Samuel hacked a gag to pieces before Yahweh and Gilgal, so that that was a gag. The Septuagint, however, in the Greek. Let me go to the view here and hit the interlinear so I can look at the interlinear Greek and. Let me Clear the search. So I'm not still looking for a gag, thank you. Now, back to the view in the Hebrew interlinear. Want to see the interlinear Hebrew? Okay. Thus the Lord, Lord God Kyrios Hoteos showed me. And look, the offspring of locusts is coming early in Luke 1. Locust is gag. But in the Greek it says gog. Gog Ho. Basilius. Gog the king.

B (44:01)

The Basilius.

A (44:03)

Yeah.

B (44:05)

That's interesting because. Or basileus.

A (44:08)

Basileus. Yes.

B (44:09)

Is a reference to.

A (44:11)

My Greek is very rusty.

B (44:12)

Well, it's non.

A (44:13)

Existent.

B (44:14)

Well, it's etymologically linked to basilisk.

A (44:18)

Yes.

B (44:18)

And basilica, which refers to a serpentine entity.

A (44:24)

Yeah.

B (44:26)

So maybe the Septuagint where it says King Gog is kind of close to what the understanding would have been. Also, Kyrios is Greek for Christ.

A (44:37)

Yeah. There's a song back in the 80s that Kyrie Eleison by Mr. Mr. I was. I was always amazed that they were able to turn that into a top 10 hit. Kyrie Eleison down the road that I must travel Kyrie eleison In the darkness through the darkness of the night yeah, Great lyrics. But in the Hebrew, Mike said, Mike Heiser, that is, said that it appeared that there was some difficulty on the part of the Septuagint translators, who didn't quite grasp some of the difficult Hebrew, but understood that it was prophetic and inserted gog because they understood that Gog from the book of Ezekiel was a reference to the great End times, enemy of God. In other words, the Old Testament conception of Antichrist. But when you look at the Hebrew and the Masoretic text, there was really nothing in there that would suggest that. Yeah, I mean, Gog the king. And after the king's mowings, the word that they may have rendered as gog, or a gag, is the word translated after which in Hebrew is a car.

B (46:18)

Yeah, but sadly, we don't have the Hebrew for the Septuagint, we only have the Greek.

A (46:23)

Right. The assumption by. I think this was Mike's analysis, was that the assumption is that the Masoretic Hebrew has not been changed that much. And so in trying to understand why the Septuagint came up with King Gog or Agag the king, from the king's mowings, You know, who knows?

B (46:55)

Don't know.

A (46:55)

Then that Bible renders it pretty much the same way. The crops planted late after the royal harvest, which they, you know, trying to interpret, and they're trying to bring it into a more modern rendering. The royal Harvest. But the literal Hebrew means the mowings of the king. The king's mowings.

B (47:15)

Right.

A (47:16)

So but again, how do you get from the king's mowings to Gog the king or King Gog.

B (47:23)

But verse two may shine some light on that. When they. This is referring to these locusts and possibly even the idea of kings mowings taking down the grass itself. The locusts eating the vegetation.

A (47:43)

Right.

B (47:44)

When they had finished eating the grass of the land, I said oh Lord Yahweh, please forgive. How can Jacob stand? He is so small. Yeah, Again, poor Amos.

A (47:59)

Yeah. And again, understanding that this is prophetic and perhaps not understanding the phrase the king's mowings. That's where the Septuagint translators trying to struggle with that. But understanding. Okay, this is context of something prophetic that is coming against Israel. Sounds like an end times judgment. Ah, okay, let's insert this here. Gog again, the end times enemy of or Agag, the king of the Amalekites and Haman the Agagite. Again thinking a legendary enemy of Israel.

B (48:37)

So representing the spiritual the right enemy.

A (48:42)

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

B (48:44)

Also this as you mentioned at the very beginning, before we even either to me before we started recording, or you did it during the recording that we are reading and already, but not yet.

A (48:55)

Yes.

B (48:57)

So this had a near time fulfillment which proved that what Amos said was legit. He was a real prophet. But also this is the second half is yet to be fulfilled. So when they had finished eating the grass of the land, I said oh God, O Lord Yahweh, how. Please forgive. Sorry, I'm trying to get out of this. Stop showing me the interlinear. I don't want it. How could Jacob stand? He is so small. Yahweh relented concerning this. It shall not be said Yahweh. This is what the Lord Yahweh showed me. Behold, the Lord Yahweh was calling for a judgment by fire. And it devoured the great deep and was eating up the land. Now to whom? Yes, the deep. This is a fire. Now there are times you would think like ministers are flaming fire that. And you and I were talking about how much I love Elijah before we started recording this. And we were looking up Esh, which is the Hebrew for one of the Hebrew words for fire. And is this, is this an elemental spirit or is this just what we would call fire?

A (50:26)

That's a good question. And in fact, as you said, we were looking this up before the study in the dictionary of deities and demons in The Bible. And in fact, there is an entry for ash or fire. And there were deities called fire in other pantheons around ancient Israel. Now, again, we're not arguing for a polytheistic interpretation of the Bible. Not at all. But there were references that are pretty clear. And I think Psalm 78 is one of those. If I remember correctly.

B (51:03)

I think Psalm 68.

A (51:05)

Psalm 68 as well. But I'm thinking in terms of Barad and. Oh, yes, as lightning and hail and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Barat. Psalm 78, beginning at verse 47. God describing or the psalmist describing the destruction of the. The Egyptians crops and livestock during the. The plagues that were sent hail. Barad. Frost is another one. Cattle to the hail, flocks to thunderbolts. Thunderbolts is Reshefim, Reshef being a plague deity known to the Canaanites and then known to the Greeks and Romans as Apollo. But then in verse 49 describes these judgments as a company of destroying angels. And we also know that there's Pakhad terror. Katev, which I'm forgetting what that one refers to. De vere, which is pestilence.

B (52:21)

Oh, that's right.

A (52:22)

De vere is pestilence and reshef is plague in Habakkuk3.5. So sometimes these entities are brought into the Scriptures. It's just the way they're translated. We don't. It's not obvious to us. It's not.

B (52:38)

We see in our material world, we see the consequences or activities.

A (52:43)

Right.

B (52:43)

As fire or lightning or hail.

A (52:46)

And again, I think in Psalm 78, it's the most obvious reference there, the Reshephim, which I think is fascinating because it may be a class of angels, but they are called a company of destroying angels. Hail and frost and thunderbolts. And then here you've got fire, perhaps as one used by God. Here, go do this.

B (53:09)

Yes.

A (53:10)

And yeah, I think that's fascinating. And you mentioned, well, the reference to the psalm that talks about his ministers.

B (53:19)

Our flaming fire.

A (53:20)

Our flaming fire.

B (53:21)

Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful. Again, listen to Elijah and have the libretto in front of you in case you're not sure of what they are singing, because it's all Scripture. Verse 4. Again, this is what the Lord Yahweh showed me. Adonai Yahweh. Behold the Lord Yahweh was calling for a judgment by fire, and it devoured the great table deep to home, which is another word for the abyss, Tartarus. And was eating up the land. Then I said, oh, Lord Yahweh, please cease. How Can Jacob stand? He is so small. Yahweh relented concerning this. This shall not be said the Lord Yahweh. This is what he showed me. Behold, the Lord was standing beside a wall built with a plumb line. With a plumb line in his hand. And Yahweh said to me, amos, what do you see? And I said, a plumb line. Now, we've seen a plumb line used in Ezekiel, but I think it's an angel that holds the plumb line and also a reed, which was a measurement length.

A (54:35)

Yeah, What's. What's interesting here is the Septuagint reads, the Lord showed me. And look, one was posted upon an adamantine wall.

B (54:45)

Oh.

A (54:45)

And Adamant was in his hand. Adamant was a.

B (54:51)

It's a legendary rock sometimes assumed to be diamond.

A (54:56)

Yeah. It's basically, the point is it's impenetrable. Yeah.

B (55:01)

Well, Doctor who reference here, there is a. An adamantine diamond like wall that's 20ft thick, I think between the Doctor and Escape. And I think it's called Heaven Sent is the name of the episode. It's either Heaven Sent or Hell bent. Yeah, wonderful. Only a doc. Only the Doctor, he's in a maze, like, you know, castle. That can. Reminds me of things I've written in the Red Wing saga. When I saw it, I thought, oh, my gosh, I've written that. But he has to work his way through it by punching it with his bare fist. Takes him, what, 5 billion years, something like that.

A (55:52)

2 billion.

B (55:53)

He took the long way around.

A (55:54)

Long way around.

B (55:54)

Yeah. But yes, this wall. The Lord was standing beside a wall built with a plumb line. With the plumb line in his hand.

A (56:02)

Well, interestingly now, the Net Bible renders it this. He showed me this. I saw the Lord standing by a tin wall.

B (56:09)

Tin. That's entirely not.

A (56:12)

Yeah. The Hebrew word anach or tin occurs only in this passage, twice in this verse and twice in the following verse based on an Akkadian cognate Anaku. The tin wall, if it symbolizes Israel, may suggest weakness and vulnerability to judgment. Symbolic significance of God holding tin in his hand and then placing tin among the people is unclear. So, yeah, again, this just illustrates the difficulty. Translators have, you know, plumb line with a plumb line in his hand. And I'm going to put a plumb line in the midst of my people. The Septuagint renders it adamant. I'm going to place adamant in the midst of my people.

B (56:54)

That's entirely different from 10.

A (56:55)

Yeah, entirely.

B (56:58)

Verse 8. And Yahweh said to me, amos, what do you see? And I said, a plumb line. Then the Lord said, behold, I am setting a plumb line in the midst of my people, Israel. I will never again pass by them. The high places of Isaac shall be made desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste, and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword.

A (57:29)

Okay, here we go. The Hebrew word translated plumb line is unique. This is in the Faith Life Study Bible notes, which are available for free faith life. Or I mean, rather biblia.com where you can get the access to the. Essentially, what I'm looking at here without things like the Dictionary of DA's Meetings.

B (57:50)

It's another one of those great free sources.

A (57:52)

Right. But you get the Faith Life Study Bible, to which Dr. Michael Heiser contributed. Related words in other Semitic languages suggest a meaning of lead or tin, but the association of the word with a wall in this context supports the meaning of plumb line. Because you'd attach a small metal weight at the end of the line, like lead or tin, so that. That seems to make sense of that phrase.

B (58:17)

It does.

A (58:17)

But again, totally different from Adamant.

B (58:20)

Not, Not. Not the singer.

A (58:22)

The bones of Wolverine or the. Yeah, or the singer, Adam.

B (58:26)

This is essentially measuring how straight the wall is.

A (58:32)

Yeah.

B (58:32)

Hence the pump line. And if Israel is the wall, then he's measuring them. Behold, I said a plumb line in the midst of my people Israel. I will never pass by them again. The high places of Isaac shall be made desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste, and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword.

A (58:53)

Well, again, you say things about the king and.

B (58:57)

Oh, yeah, he didn't like it. So in verse 10, then Amaziah, the priest of Bethel, sent to Jeroboam, king of Israel, saying, amos has conspired against you in the midst of the house of Israel. The land is not able to bear all his words. Not Yahweh's words, Amos's words.

A (59:22)

Right, right.

B (59:23)

For the same as said, Jeroboam shall die by the sword, and Israel must go into exile away from his land. And Amaziah said to Amos, o seer, go, flee away to the land of Judah and eat bread there and prophesy there, but never again prophesy at Bethel, for it is the king's sanctuary and it is a temple of the kingdom. Interesting that he refers to this as a temple. Where have we heard a judiciary or governmental place referred To. As a temple. Before.

A (60:10)

After January 6th. Sharon pointed this out in the. Actually, a chapter that you wrote for Tom, one of Tom Horn's compilation books. And then I borrowed heavily from it for the Second Coming of Saturn, and then we included it in the Gates of Hell. You couldn't help until January 6th, where you had over and over again political leaders, from Nancy Pelosi to Chuck Schumer to.

B (60:40)

Oh, there was another woman who was a congresswoman. I can't remember.

A (60:44)

Cheney. Liz Cheney.

B (60:46)

That's right.

A (60:47)

Calling it the temple of Democracy, the most sacred space in our democracy. No,

B (60:58)

but the idea of a king also serving as a priest is a. An old one. In fact, our Lord Yeshua Hamashiach.

A (61:09)

Yeah.

B (61:10)

Is a king priest.

A (61:11)

He will be the king of the earth when he comes back. Yes.

B (61:14)

Oh, see or go flower. Flee away to the land of Judah and eat bread there and prophesy there, but never again prophesy Bethel, for it is the king's sanctuary and it is a temple of the kingdom. Then Amos answered and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, nor a prophet's son, but I was a herdsman and a dresser of sycamore figs. Didn't realize sycamores had figs.

A (61:41)

The Septuagint renders it mulberry fruits.

B (61:45)

Mulberries. We got lots of those. But Yahweh took me from following the flock, and Yahweh said to me, go prophesy to my people Israel. Now, therefore, hear the word of Yahweh. Amos is not taking it. He's standing up for his office because he. He's been told to do this. Sometimes that's one of the hardest things to do. Speak truth to power.

A (62:14)

Yep.

B (62:15)

Now, therefore, hear the word of Yahweh. You say, do not prophesy against Israel and do not preach against the house of Isaac. Therefore, thus says Yahweh, your wife shall be a prostitute in the city, and your sons and your daughters shall fall by the sword, and your land shall be divided up with a measuring line. Like a plumb line, kind of. You yourself shall die in an unclean land, and Israel shall surely go into exile away from its land. Not exactly what the king wants to hear.

A (62:57)

No. Yeah. It's interesting that Amaziah was not really concerned with him prophesying just where he was doing it.

B (63:06)

Yeah. Go somewhere else.

A (63:07)

You're agitating the people. Go to Judah.

B (63:10)

You're making me feel Oogie. Go away.

A (63:12)

Yeah, I'm triggered.

B (63:14)

Oh, gosh, King Snowflake.

A (63:17)

Yeah, but Amos was correct because again, 732 BC, less than 50 years after Amos prophesied, the Assyrians would come in and destroy. Destroy the northern kingdom.

B (63:28)

What happened to Amaziah's wife?

A (63:32)

Well, let's see. Amaziah. Let's go to the Eerdman's Bible Dictionary. Need to change the text here because it's too small.

B (63:43)

Am I saying his sons and daughters would fall by the sword? You'd have no daughters to marry off to other princes and no sons to inherit. His kingdom

A (63:54)

does not say what happened to Amaziah's kids or his wife. So. But presumably things did not turn over.

B (64:02)

These were fulfilled exactly as they were

A (64:04)

foretold because Amos was a prophet.

B (64:07)

That's the thing about Yahweh. Do we have time to do another chapter?

A (64:10)

We do not. We're already at an hour and five minutes.

B (64:13)

Well, that's just.

A (64:13)

Yes, we thought we'd get through.

B (64:15)

We just thought we'd get through three chapters and.

A (64:19)

Well, we were trying for four, so we'll have to finish the Book of Amos next time.

B (64:24)

We were rather ambitious.

A (64:26)

Yeah. But when we get, you know, get hung up on things like, you know, King Agag and words. King Gog at words, those are things

B (64:34)

that I think are important, though. And when you read your Bible silently, and I've done this many times as well. Most of us do.

A (64:42)

Yeah.

B (64:43)

It's so easy to just not notice. And I. All my life, I have just loved language and trying to figure out why that word is spelled that way, what its origin story is, what it inherited along the way, what changes were made and even language to language. Because a lot of our language here in a lot of English is based on the Romance languages, the countries and the languages that were influenced by the Romans when they took over. But also we get a lot of German in there. So interesting to see how all of those link to proto Indo European roots. The pie roots.

A (65:28)

Yeah. Which are hypothesized because no one's ever actually found a Proto Indo European text.

B (65:34)

No.

A (65:35)

Yeah. We think this is where this word came from.

B (65:38)

Yeah.

A (65:38)

Because we don't really know.

B (65:42)

Okay.

A (65:43)

But for a long time, it was hypothesized that the Roman and Greek religions, what we were taught as mythology, came from Proto Indo European religion.

B (65:55)

A lot of them were Amorite.

A (65:57)

It came from the Amorites. It came from the Semitic world.

B (66:00)

Yep.

A (66:01)

And because of prejudice against the Semitics, Semitics, the Hebrews, it's like, no, no, that can't have had any influence on the wonderful

B (66:15)

religion.

A (66:15)

And Philosophy and art and literature of the Romans and the Greeks. It's like, well, no, sorry, Apollo is Reshef, Zeus is baal. That's just the way it is. We've got a couple of questions to address.

B (66:30)

Oh, I love questions. And these are on the app, right?

A (66:34)

Questions for Sharon or me. You'll find those as sections in the. The Gilbert House app. Carolyn asks, can you tell me where to find the information about the spiritual warfare of baptism?

B (66:52)

Oh boy. We first heard about that, at least I did from Mike Heiser.

A (66:57)

Yes. And I'm going to bring up the verses here to reference it.

B (67:01)

When we were in Israel in 2018 with Mike Heiser and with Drina. And of course Mike Heiser is now with the Lord, but he gave a teaching at Yarden Eat, where we were doing baptisms in the Jordan on how baptism is a picture of the Lord going into Tartarus and then coming back out again. But it's a poke in the eye to the fallen room. Right.

A (67:31)

And the reason Carolyn is asking, by the way, saying I need to get this information to my nephew who's questioning the difference of his sprinkling to immersion.

B (67:41)

Yeah,

A (67:44)

I think again, what it represents is what is important here and not the actual physical act, but because sprinkling was not a thing back in the. Back in the day. I think in the modern world we don't always have access in all of our cities to running water or to. And not all churches have invested in, you know, the tanks to do it.

B (68:07)

But there was archeology recently storied about the discovery of a Byzantine era church that had a baptismal in it that would fit a human being, an adult.

A (68:22)

First Peter 3, beginning at verse 18. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit in which he went and proclaimed, not preached. He proclaimed to the spirits in prison because they formerly did not obey when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is eight persons, were brought safely through water. Now, the spirits in prison has often been interpreted as those humans in Hades or Sheol, but the word translated spirits there. The Greek word numison is never refused of human spirits unless it is qualified as such. In other words, we'd have to say human spirits to refer to humans because they formerly did not obey when God's patience waited in the days of Noah. This is a reference to the watchers, the Sons of God in the pre flood world who came down co mingled with human women and created the giants, the Nephilim. So they are the ones who, according to Peter in second Peter 2, verse 4, and Jude verses 6 and 7 are the sinning angels, the sinful angels who are in chains, in gloomy darkness. They are the one. And second Peter 2:4 puts them in Tartarus, which connects them to the Titans of the Greeks and the Romans.

B (69:56)

Right.

A (69:56)

You see how the religions, mythology and the Bible overlap. And then Peter continues in verse 21. Baptism, which corresponds to this now saves you not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven, is at the right hand of God with angels, authorities. That word is exous, exousion and powers. I think that's dynamite.

B (70:30)

I think those same words are in Ephesians 6.

A (70:34)

Yes, exactly. Angels, authorities and powers having been subjected to him. In other words, baptism corresponds to Noah and the people on the ark coming through the flood. Jesus descending to the abyss, which was represented in the Bible as the sea. We mentioned that earlier. Tahome, the abyss, yam, the sea, corresponding to the concept of primordial chaos. Jesus descended, proclaimed victory to the spirits in prison, and then emerged again on day three, Noah and the people in New York coming out at the other side. Like resurrection, baptism corresponds to this. It is a declaration of victory, representing Jesus descent to the bottomless pit and reemerging again victorious. That's the spiritual warfare aspect of baptism. And to hear Mike Heiser teach on that. And of course that's in one of our travel argumentaries, travel documentaries, which you can watch at our streaming video site, Gilberthouse.org video it's from our Twitter 2018 tour of Israel. You rent that for seven days for three bucks. And hear Mike's teaching on that at the Jordan river and that was amazing. So, yeah, every time we do that, and I've taught on that a couple of times at Hear the Watchman events where they do baptisms at the pool. And boy, you do that and then people get fired. Everybody wants in the water at that point.

B (72:11)

Oh, yeah.

A (72:11)

But yeah, Carolyn, it's a very good question. Again, first Peter 3, verses 18. And following explains that Deborah asks. Good morning, Sharon. I would like details on where to order armored sheep mugs.

B (72:26)

Oh, oh, you can get that from lighthivecreations.com it's Kenny C's fiance, Gidget Manning. She makes all of those. And we don't make anything on them. We just say, look, whatever you would have given us as our share for talking about it, then you guys keep it and buy some instruments for young people who can't afford them.

A (72:50)

And at the same place, you can also get armored sheet T shirts and PID radio T shirts and Gilbert house GHTV hats, cups.

B (73:00)

And you can also get Iron and Myth.

A (73:03)

Iron and miss. Yep. Need to get a view from the bunker, but we'll work on that.

B (73:07)

Yeah.

A (73:08)

But iron. I may come up with another Iron and Myth logo using the four guys on the horses.

B (73:13)

Yes. I love that our friend Tommy, his son Oliver, who is Oliver, is a challenge. He. He was born with genetic defects that make his life a bit of a challenge. But the. That young man smiles, laughs, dances and loves you. Judd, Brian and Doug.

A (73:36)

Yeah. And he loves the. The new video opening for the Iron and Myth series because it's got four crusader type knights on horses charging off into battle.

B (73:47)

Great song. Thank you, Kevin Trotman for coming up with that song. Yeah. Tommy said that he had difficulty getting through the most recent episode because Ollie wanted to see the intro again and again.

A (73:59)

Yeah. The horses and the song.

B (74:01)

So, you know, I think it's great.

A (74:03)

Yeah.

B (74:04)

By the way, tonight you're going to be discussing some things with those gentlemen.

A (74:09)

Yeah. We're going to be talking about demons and movies about demons. So we will. That'll be for next Sunday's episode.

B (74:19)

Yep.

A (74:19)

But yeah, we. So I've spent the last couple of nights visiting some movies that I have not previously seen. I finally watched the movie Nefarious.

B (74:32)

Yeah.

A (74:33)

And it is based on a book that I started to read. Steve Dace, who hosts a talk show on Glenn Beck's Blaze network. Steve is a Bible believing Christian, very intelligent guy, does a great show. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to watch it. I used to watch it when I was down at Skywatch TV preparing 5 and 10. I'd have it on my monitor on the computer.

B (74:55)

Right.

A (74:56)

But anyway, he wrote a book which is sort of an updated screwtape letters.

B (75:01)

Yeah.

A (75:02)

Called a Nefarious Plot. And that is the basis of the film. But the film depicts a man on death row who wants to be examined by a particular psychiatrist. And the psychiatrist has to sign off on whether or not he's competent to be executed or whether he's insane because he claims he's possessed by a demon. And anyway, I won't go any further than that. If you've not seen the film, I don't want to spoil it for you. But it is, I think, the best or closest depiction to demonic possession that I have seen seen in film. Based on what we've heard from deliverance ministers like Russ Tisdar, Tom Dunn, Vicki Joy Anderson, and now Corey Serrano, who will be on the program next week. Michael Cummins, who is an Englishman who I interviewed some time back. It is not the way it's depicted in, say, the Exorcist or the Exorcism of Emily Rose or, you know, other. Where it seems like every time they're doing the exorcism, it's thundering and storming outside. It's like, okay, that's just not reality. It's a little more subdued than that. And nefarious, I think, does a much better job of that.

B (76:28)

When will this interview, this discussion be available?

A (76:32)

Next Sunday.

B (76:32)

Okay.

A (76:33)

So anyway, tonight's program will be a discussion with Nicholas Daigle about the Nephilim in the Ozarks. He's got a book out called Genesis 6 and the Ozarks.

B (76:48)

Did he mention the Ozark Howler at all?

A (76:52)

No, no, didn't ask him about that. Or Momo?

B (76:56)

No.

A (76:56)

The Missouri Monster.

B (76:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (76:59)

But fascinating. There have been some Indian mounds discovered here that have very large bones, and I was not aware of that. I knew that the Ohio River Valley had plenty, but not so much here in Springfield, Missouri. But yes, northwest side of Springfield, not far from where the conference will be at this fall, rather this summer.

B (77:25)

And you should come to that. It's in August of this year.

A (77:28)

Yeah, we have a couple of conferences coming up this year. We'll be in Ohio at the go therefore conference, July 24th and 25th. Bringing this up now because I had forgotten to bring this up earlier regarding the dates and the speakers. So of course, you have to put a point in there between.

B (77:52)

Yeah, you can go to gothereforconference.com and register. You can also see all of the speakers. It's great lineup. And it is at Neil Peterson's church, the Harvest Revival.

A (78:03)

Harvest Revival center in Brookville, Ohio. We will be there. Therehere we are. July 24th and 25th. I was right. Yay.

B (78:15)

We need to get our airline tickets.

A (78:18)

We do. We got them.

B (78:19)

Oh, we do.

A (78:20)

Yay.

B (78:20)

I knew that we talked about it and I couldn't remember if we actually, you know, said, go get him.

A (78:26)

Speakers include Carl Gallups, Dr. Greg Reed, you want to talk about spiritual warfare, and guys who deal dealt with the demonic face to face. John Haller, prophecy expert Tom Hughes, also prophecy expert Carl Tykrib, expert on paganism.

B (78:43)

And the rise.

A (78:44)

Yeah. In fact, I've got an interview coming up with Carl on the recent Paganicon in Minneapolis and Minneapolis, huh?

B (78:52)

Minnesota is an interesting state. Yeah.

A (78:55)

Minneapolis is weirdly the pagan capital of the United States. That don't know how that became. Yeah, it is very strange. Yeah, a lot of strangeness connected to Minneapolis, sadly. Then a couple of weeks after that, we'll be at the Remnant Rising conference here in Springfield. And again, just 10 minutes west of there is where Nicholas Daigle and his colleagues have discovered some things. But going back 100 years, there was a Baptist preacher in the area who was an amateur archaeologist who discovered some of these giant bones. Joe Horn will be one of the main speakers. Of course, you and I, Tony Merkel, host of the Confessionals. John Pounders, host of now youw See tv. Vicki Joy Anderson, Tracy Tennant. Tracy Tennant, Larry Ragland, Josh Tolley, Kenny

B (79:46)

C. Oh, Kenny C. There you go.

A (79:48)

David Paxton, Patrick McCurdy and more. And both of these conferences, by the way, will have streaming video available. So that conference, remnant rising 2.0, August 7th through 9th and herethewatchmen.com for information on that one. Our Israel tour obviously going to be affected by what's going on in the Middle East.

B (80:10)

Well, particularly given that some airlines have paused, they're calling it their shuttles to Tel Aviv. And some of them have said September would be the earliest that you could get a flight.

A (80:24)

Yeah, there's some airlines now that are flying out regularly because Ben Gurion Airport has reopened for full service. But yeah, you know, if flight, if airlines like Delta, United aren't flying in and ll and I think Wiz Air

B (80:39)

are the only two airlines and there are some. Well, I think Etihad.

A (80:45)

Yes, he's also.

B (80:46)

Also there are some crews that are saying we will not fly to Tel Aviv. Yeah, that happened to us. Now, I don't know for sure that it was the crew that said they will not. It was a. Gosh, we picked it up where, in Amsterdam.

A (81:03)

Yeah, it was fly to Cyprus.

B (81:08)

Cyprus and change cruise.

A (81:09)

Yeah. Yeah. Which was strange. It said, well, it's a refueling stop. No, it was not a refueling stop. They changed.

B (81:17)

You don't need to refuel to go a hop over to Tel Aviv.

A (81:20)

It's a 30 minute hop from. From Cyprus to Tel Aviv. So anyway, we will. About two weeks time we're going to have a conversation with Lipkin Tours. We'd asked them at the end of March, when do we need to discuss the possibility of rescheduling? And they said, well, let's revisit this in late April, because once the airport opens up, some of these airlines that said we won't fly in until September may change their minds. They might, because El Al right now and the other airlines that are flying in and out Etihad, they're getting premium fares. So they may look at that and just say, maybe we can make a few bucks on this as well. So we will.

B (82:03)

So the airlines are saying that, right?

A (82:05)

Yeah, the airlines may decide that, hey, since we can get a premium to fly into Tel Aviv because of the

B (82:11)

backlog in demand, they might also jet fuel scarcity at this point. At least that's what we're being told.

A (82:20)

Yeah, speculators driving up the cost. Yeah, well, well, communion.

B (82:25)

Let's get that communion started. And in the meantime, while I go get the elements, you can give your OG report.

A (82:32)

Ah, yes, the OG report. We are the OGs of podcasting, which we have determined either means original gangster or which I guess is called geezers.

B (82:42)

I think.

A (82:43)

Yeah, old geezers is more accurate. As you know, if you've been listening for a while, I'm dealing with an autoimmune disorder where my immune system is attacking the nerves in my extremities. It's called cidp, which stands for chronic inflammatory.

B (82:59)

Sorry about the noise.

A (83:01)

Polyneuropathy.

B (83:02)

Sorry, you might want to say that again, because probably unless you can mute my mic.

A (83:07)

No, sadly, that's not possible.

B (83:09)

I know. So I got a P. Touch.

A (83:12)

Ah, there we go. That's unleavened.

B (83:14)

I know you love those two.

A (83:15)

Cidp. Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy, which basically means the nerves in my hands and my feet, lower legs and feet, have been attacked. And according to the nerve conduction test that was done a week ago Friday, found that my nerves in both my lower legs and feet, my right hand, are pretty much fried. We don't know how much damage has been done and whether it can be corrected. We'll find out. Left hand, you know, just. Okay, the myelin has been attacked, but the nerves don't appear to be damaged at this point. The insurance company had indicated that once they got that test, they would reconsider their original decision, which was to not pay for the preferred treatment recommended by my neurologist, which is intravenous immunoglobulin. The immunoglobulin is to. It's antibodies that are essentially intended to reset my immune system so that it stops attacking my nerves. The insurance company says no, we want to put them on three months of corticosteroids first to see if that works.

B (84:24)

Is it anabolic or corticost?

A (84:27)

Corticosteroids, which is anabolic.

B (84:29)

No. Okay. I thought there was a difference.

A (84:35)

There is a difference. Anabolic steroid is like the testosterone that I'm on, right?

B (84:38)

Yeah.

A (84:39)

Okay, so corticosteroids, not anabolic steroids.

B (84:42)

It's like prednisone.

A (84:43)

Yeah, I'm also on the anabolic steroid testosterone.

B (84:46)

No, prednisone is. Let me look it up.

A (84:48)

Prednisone is a corticosteroid.

B (84:49)

Yeah, let me, let me look it up.

A (84:51)

So the test showed what we thought it would show, which is, you know, damage to the myelin and to the nerves. The insurance company came back and said, we don't care, we're still saying no. My neurologist offered to do a peer to peer discussion with the neurologist at the insurance company to say no, no, he really needs the infusion. And they said, nope, we're not going to talk to you, We've made our decision, leave us alone. So I went back to the my neurologist and said, look, can we do the steroids at least at the end of three months we'll know one of two things. Either the steroids will work and I will be improved or they won't work and we will have met the insurance company's requirement and then we can start on the infusion. So this week I started on the corticosteroid. Prednisone.

B (85:44)

Yep. It is a corticosteroid.

A (85:46)

Yep. And so far I'm not showing any noticeable side effect. There are some to watch for, like weight gain, water retention, blood sugar, although that's not ever been a problem with me, or at least not since I lost the weight. I was getting into the pre diabetic range when I weighed 240 pounds. So we will keep a close eye on those things and we appreciate your comments and your suggestions. We are watching for those things.

B (86:17)

I keep a very close eye on Derek. Yeah, a very close eye.

A (86:23)

And they will probably boost me to 70 milligrams of prednisone after three weeks if I tolerate the initial dose and then will titrate me down by 10 milligrams a week until we get to the three month mark. And either again, if the steroids work, hallelujah, they'll put me on a maintenance dose. And from what I've read, 60 to 80% of the people who go through this treatment do show significant improvement. Again, just the long term use of Corticosteroids is.

B (86:59)

It's not. Well, I'm not terribly fond of it either for you, but I think the Lord. You and I are convinced that the Lord can work through doctors.

A (87:10)

Sure.

B (87:11)

And we do our best to eat well, we take a lot of supplements, and so we overall are very healthy. With the exception of what's going on in your nerves.

A (87:25)

Right. Which is likely the result of. And just in case you're wondering, no, we did not take the jab. We both had Covid at the end of. In the spring of 23 or fall of 23. Fall of 2022. It was spring of 23 was when the symptoms of the neuropathy began. And it's possible that the spike protein aspect of COVID 19 caused the neurological response that I've been dealing with.

B (87:53)

Right. And I'm nodding my head because those are words that algorithms used to look for.

A (87:58)

You still look for. Right.

B (87:59)

So if. If for some reason this gets us pulled off, it's because somebody's still looking for those words. Yeah, but it's the truth. It is the truth. I had it, too. You and I were pretty much. I had a lot of GI systems symptoms with it. You did not. Were most upper and lower respiratory symptoms. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, if there was a genetic predisposition in you, but I came through it fine.

A (88:29)

Yeah. What we did notice is that after I had the. The stent inserted for the abdominal aneurysm. Which was only discovered because I was complaining about the neuropathy.

B (88:42)

Exactly. So the vascular.

A (88:44)

Yeah. So Lord used that to find the. The silent killer, which very well could have taken me out because there are no symptoms.

B (88:50)

Right.

A (88:51)

So my immune system went into overdrive after that, and that's when things really began to ramp up. And I think they ramped up even further after the pneumonia in February because I dropped 20 pounds in 10 days. And in the almost, what, seven weeks since then, I've only gotten back up from 177 up to, like, 190. So I've gained back, like, 13 out of the 20 pounds that I lost. And I've been trying real hard. I know Sharon's been feeding me really well.

B (89:25)

Yesterday, just for example, he had bacon and a spinach, pepper and cheese omelette.

A (89:32)

Big omelette. Right.

B (89:33)

Big old omelette.

A (89:34)

Yep.

B (89:34)

Six egg omelette.

A (89:35)

And then had a big plate of nachos for lunch, so just had some, like, nuts and raisins for dinner because I was still.

B (89:42)

We're Big on. Kenny C. Can tell you this because he stayed with us before. We love nut puff.

A (89:46)

Yeah. Healthy and not heavily salted nuts. Because again, salt, when you're taking corticosteroids can result in a lot of water retention.

B (89:57)

I love just walnuts.

A (89:59)

Yeah. Anyway, that's the OG report. So day four today of the corticosteroids. We will keep an eye on it. They said after one week, let them know how I'm tolerating it and then we'll go from there. Just should start noticing some positive results two to three weeks after starting it.

B (90:17)

And God bless all of you who have listened through the OG report and hung in there. If you wanted to fast forward through it, we totally understand. But many of you have asked, how can you pray? And, you know, getting that report, it's praise reports that, you know, frankly that Derek is still here because you. You were really sick when you were in the hospital. Yeah, very, very.

A (90:41)

I didn't realize it at the time, but yeah, there was like three, four days there where I slept about two hours total. I couldn't lay down flat.

B (90:48)

That's why one reason that I stayed in the hotel across the street, because if something happened, I wanted to be able to be over there in a minute.

A (90:54)

Yeah.

B (90:55)

Instead of an hour.

A (90:58)

Yeah. And if we started having to do the infusions and we have to look for. Oh, that's a place closer to the infusion.

B (91:04)

Well, yeah, that'll work out. Got to work that out. But now for communion.

A (91:08)

For communion. Paul made a point of writing this to the church at Corinth in 1 Corinthians 11. And whether he knew it or not, and I suspect he did, there was a long history of a ritual among the pagans who lived around ancient Israel of having to feed the dead once a month on the night of no moon, they performed a ritual called kispum, where the ancestors were summoned by name. A necromancy ritual, in a sense. And they were fed, and it was to preserve their lives in the afterlife. Jesus reversed that on the night before his death. And Paul summarized it to the church at Corinth this way, First Corinthians 11, beginning at verse 23. For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night when he was betrayed, took bread. And when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, this is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me. In the same way also, he took the cup after supper, saying, this cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this as often as you drink it in remembrance of me. For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Amen. This was a reversal of that ritual because as part of the Amorite Canaanite ritual, which was continued by Greeks and Romans, you fed the ancestors by giving them bread and pouring out a drink offering to them. In fact, this was continued, this ritual, within the last 10 years here on the streets of the United States. Say their name. Say their name. And then pouring out a drink offering. That's where this ritual originated from. But Jesus reversed it, saying, you eat this bread, you drink the cup, you have eternal life.

B (93:36)

Yeah.

A (93:37)

And that's what this is all about. And that's why we do this once per month. It is not something that magically manifests the body and blood of Jesus, but it is a reminder that because he shed his blood and allowed his body to be broken, that we will live forever.

B (93:57)

Hallelujah.

A (93:58)

Yeah. Well, we will be back next week with another study. I guess we'll pick up with where we left off on Amos.

B (94:09)

We will. And on Saturday, of course, we'll have another PID radio at, Lord willing and talk about the things that between now and Saturday, I can't even imagine all the things that are going to be in the news because it changes by the hour.

A (94:22)

Yeah, yeah. And boy, we stirred up some stuff with yesterday's.

B (94:27)

I know you can still listen to it. So far it's still online, so I don't think.

A (94:32)

I don't think that it'll get taken.

B (94:33)

Oh, no, no, it's just. Yeah, it did. Well, we just said what we believe the Lord is telling us.

A (94:43)

Well, anyway, you'll find that it. Well, you can subscribe on, you know, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, music, anywhere, any of those podcasts.

B (94:53)

Pretty much everywhere.

A (94:54)

Right. But again, the easy way to do it is just get our app and it's all there. And until next time, I'm Derek Gilbert.

B (95:02)

I'm Sharon. Did we pray?

A (95:04)

Oh, we didn't. Thank you for reminding me.

B (95:06)

Oh, you're welcome. Gotta pray.

A (95:08)

Yeah. Close with a word of prayer before jumping to the exit here. Father, thank you for your word today and for the parallels we see between the condemnations of Amos and the northern kingdom of Israel with our present day Lord. We know that. We know that the growing wealth gap between the wealthiest and the poorest is not what you envisioned for us. There is no perfect economic system or government system except for the one that you will bring when you Return the one that you will institute from Jerusalem upon your return. Father, we are commanded to care for the poor and the orphaned, the widowed, the lonely. And yet those at the very top of our economic system hoard unto themselves and then demand that we give more so that they, the ruling elite, can determine who is worthy of receiving their largess. Father, again, this is not what you intended. As Jesus said to his disciples, the Gentiles, the rulers of the Gentiles, Lord, Lord, it over one another, but it is not to be so among you. So, Lord, help us to hold what we have with open hands that those in need, family, friends, colleagues, those who come across our path, who clearly have need. Lord, may we be generous to them, knowing that you will provide for us and take care of our needs. Father, we pray for your blessing on those who are hurting today, physically, emotionally, spiritually. Those who harbor old wounds, Father, inflicted upon them. May you bring them comfort and healing. Father, may we recognize spiritual evil when we see it. And boldly, Lord, proclaim the faith that we have in you. But with gentleness and respect, as Peter commanded us. We look forward to your return, Lord, because with our human senses, it is difficult to see how this world continues on, on this course without your direct intervention. Soon. But until that day, or until the day you call us home. Father, we pray for the strength to continue running the race with all our strength. We ask your blessing for wisdom, for discernment, for boldness. And, Father, we pray in Jesus name. Amen.

B (98:37)

Amen.

A (98:38)

And now, until next time. I'm Derek Gilbert.

B (98:41)

I'm Sharon Gilbert. We love all of you so much. And of course, Jesus loves you most of all. Bye bye, everybody.

A (98:50)

Thank you for joining us. We post a new Bible study each Sunday morning, subscribe to the podcast and explore the archives online@gilberthouse.org.