B (3:05)

Yeah, please don't stress out. This is such a good time to learn to spend time with Jesus, to get close to Jesus and honestly learn from other people's dating. Like, learn from your friends. Learn from. You see your friend go on a date and you see her texting a guy and you see, like, oh, something isn't completely right here. Like, learn from that stuff. Do you want to go first, Zara?

A (3:28)

I'll just start with a green flag. A man that prays over you for when you're struggling. I always say that when one of the things on my list is I want someone to be able to pray for me when I'm struggling because there's so many moments where I can't open my Bible, where I can't pray for myself because I'm just going through so much. And it's so nice to be able to call my friends and have them do that. But I can't imagine if. If I'm married and are in a relationship and I can have my person do that for me. Because we're going to go through so much in life with deaths and grief and loss, just so many losses and sicknesses or whatever life throws at us. And to have someone to be able to pray for you, to just hold you in those moments and speak truth over you in life. And Jesus is so crucial.

B (4:28)

It is so crucial. And it will make you fall in love like nothing else. Knowing that a guy is praying for you will build so much intimacy, so much trust, so much. Yeah, just like, good connection. I don't think when you are first dating, this might be another red flag, but when you're first dating, it's not a good idea to be praying with your girlfriend or boyfriend every single day. There should be spiritual boundaries, just like there are physical boundaries. You shouldn't be praying together like you're married when you're not. John waited about probably six months before he even read the Bible with me. And I didn't understand it and I didn't like it and I was confused by it. And now I look back And I'm like, thank you, Jesus. That he knew what it meant to like lead well. And part of that meant that we were not going to cross spiritual boundaries and create a soul tie ultimately before the time, like before something like that is necessary. And even now we don't seek God together as if we're married, you know. However, he's been praying for me since the day we met. And I can't tell you what it feels as a girl to know my man is praying for me and caring for me and thinking about me and it's just like the sweetest thing in the world. So I love that green flag so much. And be the type of girlfriend or the type of boyfriend that prays for your person and spend a lot of time praying for their well being apart from you, just them as an individual. Like seek God for them in the sense that like you can pray and ask God to give you insight into their life and their gifting and then you can pray that over them and like speak life into them. So if you like seek God about somebody, I can say, lord, like, show me what you see in them. And then God might show me that this person is xyz and then I can go to that person and like prophetically speak into their lives and be like, you are a leader and you are wise and you're this and you're that and like this is who God says you are. It just like, it's the most beautiful thing to have intimacy like that.

A (6:57)

I started praying for my future husband.

B (7:01)

That's key.

A (7:02)

I just started praying for his heart. And it also, it literally makes me smile now. Like I'm just like, it gives you it just. My heart is so filled with hope now that I started doing that. And she said, where do you think your husband is right now? When we were driving here, I said, yeah, where is he? Where is he? Where does he work?

B (7:23)

What does he look like? He was so cute. That's so. Yeah, I'm. If you're. That is such a good point, Art. If you're struggling with singleness right now and you are so sad, so discouraged and so just beaten down about it, thinking that your man doesn't exist and he'll never show up, start praying for him as if he already exists because he does or she does and. And pray for your. Pray for them as if they already exist and your heart is going to start responding and your mind is going to start becoming encouraged because you're praying for who really does exist instead of like settling into the lie. That they're just nowhere and they don't exist and God doesn't have anybody for you. Yeah. I'm sure it, like completely changes your perspective.

A (8:08)

Yeah. I noticed myself cracking a little smile in my prayer time.

B (8:13)

That's really cute. I asked a couple of friends that I know. One thing that I heard, and I think this is definitely really a weakness in Christian dating is just the over spiritualization of relationships. I think there's a lot of debating and conversation around the one. Like, does God have one person for you? And like, if you don't meet them, then you never meet your one. Or if you mess it up, then they're gone forever. Like, is there the one? And I don't think that's true. I think the only one is the one that you enter into covenant with. That's the one. But the one isn't decided until you decide. Like, I think a lot of people. People. What I've seen is there's so much fear around dating because everyone's like, I don't want to date this person unless they're my husband or unless they're my wife. And I feel like God is sovereign and you have free will.

A (9:11)

Yeah.

B (9:12)

You choose. God doesn't have this one person for you. And if you don't get it right, you there's. God honors covenant. He honors marriage. And if God is not in a relationship, that's another thing. But God isn't. Just like, you're allowed to date, right? You're allowed to go on dates.

A (9:34)

Yeah.

B (9:34)

And it doesn't have to be your. You could be dating for someone for. I'm not saying to waste your time, but you could be dating someone for six months and then ultimately not be your husband or wife. And that's okay. If God is like showing you signs and it's becoming evident and you're discerning that you're not meant to be in this relationship because God doesn't want you to waste your time, then that's another thing. But God also might have lessons for you to learn within a relationship that doesn't end up being your spouse. So I just think you have to be careful to make things too intense in dating and say, now if you're like six months to a year in, I think then it's a little bit more urgent. And. And you're not like, I don't know, he might be. No. Then you really start thinking, discerning, praying. But for the first few months, you're just seeing if you like the person you're seeing if you guys get along and you really don't know that until a little longer down the road. So to base your dating on whether God has confirmed this is your spouse or not before you've even gone on a third date, I think is pretty toxic. Do you agree?

A (10:42)

Yeah. And I was just going to say, too, I love what you said. I think you said lessons because everyone that I was with led me to the person who I am today. And I don't regret anyone. And I've been in some pretty weird situations, like, for years, but I. It led me to where I am today. It led me to the woman that I have become. And I don't regret anything. And so it's never wasted time. It's never the wrong person. Every relationship that you enter, truly, it leads you into the woman that or man that you will become.

B (11:20)

Exactly.

A (11:20)

Whether it's right or wrong. So don't dwell and think that you've wasted all this time. I think God does give you signs to get out at a certain time. And sometimes we can stay too long, but he always has a way of working it all together.

B (11:38)

I. I was getting to know someone, but I was, at one point, I was getting to know someone, a guy. We were talking for a few weeks, like a month. And this person is obviously not my person. And at the end of the little time that we were talking, God made it very clear. It was so obvious to me, like, I'm not meant to be in a relationship with this person, whatever. But this guy came at the perfect time. He was a believer who kind of solidified my purity journey because I started pursuing purity before meeting Him. But then, thank God, the next guy that I met was like, strong in purity and was able to be like, yeah, this, you know, it kind of just solidified something for me. And God uses people.

A (12:27)

I know he does.

B (12:28)

He uses people. That same guy also is the reason why I stopped cussing.

A (12:32)

I know.

B (12:32)

You know what I mean?

A (12:33)

Exactly. Goosebumps.

B (12:35)

Yeah.

A (12:36)

Yeah.

B (12:36)

God uses people more than he drop. I don't know, maybe that's not true for some people, but for me at least, like, God will drop revelation in my heart from time to time. But more often than not, he uses people to convict me, to show me, to confront me. Like that's what he does. So, yeah, I'm just. We're here to say, go on some dates, guard your heart, be wise, don't go into just like the. You should be looking at the person you're dating. And yes, evaluating. Is this a person I would want to marry based on what I can see now, because at the beginning of a relationship, you don't really see everything, obviously, but you look at them and definitely say, is this person marriage material? And do they exhibit, like, the characteristics of Jesus? However, don't date hoping that they're your spouse.

A (13:31)

Right, Right.

B (13:32)

Just get rid of the too much pressure. If I've learned anything in the Christian community, and it's weird because the world devalues marriage, doesn't value it whatsoever. Nobody in the world wants to get married. I never thought about getting married until I became, like, a devout Christian. But I'm in the world. Nobody cares about marriage. But then you become a Christian and it's. And marriage is everything. It's so important. It's amazing. It's like the most beautiful reflection of our relationship with Jesus. It's. It's really important, but it's also not the end all, be all. And there's just so much shame that comes around marriage in the Christian community because everybody makes it. I don't know. It just. It's too intense. You just gotta get to know somebody and see if you're compatible. And then down the road, you can decide whether they're the person you're meant to marry or not.

A (14:27)

I know. Can I? Yeah. I love that. And just. I love that you say, just go on dates. Because, like, you should be so proud of yourself if you really put yourself out there and say, I don't know if this is gonna be my husband. I don't know if this is gonna be my wife, but I'm gonna just take the move and go and do it and try it.

B (14:47)

Yeah.

A (14:48)

I need to take that advice.

B (14:49)

Yeah. I was about to say, you better start coming on dates.

A (14:52)

I'm like, she hasn't been on a.

B (14:53)

Date in a long time.

A (14:54)

I'm, like, listening to you and I'm like, yeah.

B (14:58)

Yeah.

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A (19:54)

That's the mentality you need?

B (19:55)

Yeah. Is this the person for me? For me?

A (19:58)

Yeah.

B (19:59)

Not just like, please, I hope that they pick me.

A (20:01)

Do not put them on a pedestal.

B (20:03)

Yeah.

A (20:03)

Do not make idols out of them.

B (20:05)

Right.

A (20:05)

It should be about you. That's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yep. No, I love that you say that because so many people do that. Oh, my gosh, does he like me? Is he gonna. No, do not do that. Yeah, do not do that. Do not put anybody on a pedestal. Are they good? Enough for you? Are they fit for you?

B (20:28)

Right, Right. It's so funny. We should all be looking for compatibility and like seeing if you're genuinely compatible with the other person. And that way like you might still get hurt, but at least it won't destroy your self worth when it doesn't work out with somebody. Because if you're not compa. I feel like so often if we're not compatible with someone, we internalize it and think like it's us when really you're just incompatible and it's not the person for you. And yeah, we just internalize everything and make everything our fault and they didn't like me or, and it's just like, it's not even that deep.

A (21:04)

You can, you can have the best personality, whatever. You can be everyone's dream and you can just not be compatible with that person. And that has nothing to do with you. Compatibility is everything.

B (21:18)

It is everything.

A (21:19)

There has been so many amazing guys that I've met, but I just didn't feel compatible with them, you know, and it had nothing to do with them. It just, I wasn't compatible. It wasn't a right fit.

B (21:31)

Exactly.

A (21:31)

And that's okay. It has nothing to do with you. So you don't have to beat yourself up.

B (21:35)

Just don't let your self worth get brought into the mix of dating. That's why being firm in your identity in Jesus is everything. Getting your self worth from Jesus, spending a lot of time with Jesus, reading the Word and like doing all the work that you need to do emotionally and spiritually to get to a place where your own self worth. And by the way, this is really hard to do. So just know it's just something to be aware of and work at and just know it take me three years. Yeah. And just know it's never going to be perfect.

A (22:05)

It's a journey.

B (22:07)

It's a journey and it's like an active fight of the temptation. Even today I still have to actively fight the temptation to place my worth in someone else's hands. So it's like an everyday thing. You just, you have to be aware of it and realize when you're doing it and stop it quickly. Someone said a green flag is someone who is generous with their time, energy and finances.

A (22:30)

Oh, I, I, yeah, go.

B (22:32)

No, no, you.

A (22:34)

That's like one of the top things also that I look at is someone who is really good with their finances. When I see someone blowing their money and being showy and they don't know how to save, that's an indication That I don't know. I cannot trust you as a husband, a father. I really, that's. I look at somebody who's, like, really good and smart with their finances and saving and responsible. Yeah, just a responsible guy. Like, I love a good, responsible guy who knows how to. Who knows how to, like, save their money.

B (23:11)

Yeah, I love someone who is. I mean, I feel. And Ari has this, too. Ari and I both have a call to generosity on our lives, and every single one of us do, too. You guys do, too. God calls us to be wildly generous. They call. God calls. They. They. Whose? God's. They. God calls us to sacrificially and put other people before ourselves. And yeah, I like, I. I love a man and a person who feels called to generosity, who wants to give, who sees somebody in need and wants to give. I mean, my dream is to be in a marriage and be with someone where we're, like, plotting, like, who we're going to give money to and where we're going to be generous and, like, see someone in need and be like, let's pay off this person's bills if we're able. And, like, that's the dream. And so that's like such a beautiful thing to aspire to have in a relationship. Such a green flag of someone who, yeah, wants to give and wants to be generous and wants to do what they can for other people. Because imagine you're in a marriage with someone who wants to be that generous, and like, all you're doing is pushing the kingdom forward and your marriage is, like, just so glorifying Jesus because you guys are being so generous together. That's so cool.

A (24:38)

I think generosity is probably the top of the top, you know?

B (24:44)

Yeah.

A (24:45)

Like a man, even a woman. Let's talk about women, too. That's generous. That has their hands like this. That helps, like, sacrificially. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. That's how you know if you're a true follower of Christ, if you aren't like this with your hands, with money. I always know if someone's, like, really following if they have their hands like this.

B (25:10)

Oh, yeah.

A (25:11)

And helping. And I'm like, picturing my guy, like, walking and he sees a woman in need and he just bends down and says, here, how can I help you? Like, that's the dream, right? To find someone. If you guys. Man. If you want to know, like, what a woman really loves, it's like helping that woman on the street or given to the church. Helping children. I mean, come on that's how beautiful is that? How beautiful is that?

B (25:41)

Jerry said something. John's mom said this. The biggest green flag I've ever seen was something that Mark did for me that I believe you would have to do to be so commit. That I believe you would have to be so committed to Christ to even do. When we were first married, Mark did not treat me like I deserved to be treated. But he treated me the way God would want him to treat me. Totally selfless, like Christ would treat the church. He modeled unconditional love for me, and I began to change, to become more like him. So beautiful. Isn't that crazy? Someone who's just so unbelievably selfish and loves you so unconditionally and genuinely loves you not how you deserve, but how Jesus would want you to love them. This is, I think, what I'm learning so much in my own life of. Like, learning the love of Jesus means that you love people not how you feel about them, but how Jesus loves them. It's the hardest thing you can ever do in every moment to choose to love someone not how they deserve. And that means any bit of justice has to go out of the window. I'm a justice type of person where I'm just like, I want everyone to have justice. I want things to be right. I want things to be this, that, and to live like Jesus. You have to throw that out the window and say, this person might deserve X, but I'm going to give them Y. Because Jesus, just like Jesus, just like we deserve death and. But because Jesus paid the penalty, we receive life through Jesus. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's a reflection of how Jesus treats us and loves us. Jesus doesn't love us based on how we deserve to be loved. Because if that was the case, we are all unfaithful, disloyal, we've betrayed him, we've rejected him, we have done so wrong in God's eyes. However, because Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and covered all of our sins, and God looks at us with complete unconditional love in his eyes, we don't deserve the love that he gives us. So we have to reflect that same love. When you're looking at someone, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, your spouse, your friend, your family member, you have to love them not based even on how they've treated you, even if they've treated you badly. It sounds crazy and you should pray that God would give you a situation like this in your life where you have to love them the way that Jesus wants you to love them rather than based on what, how they've treated you. Pray for that. God will send someone into your life that forces you to do that. The only way you can become like Jesus is if he sends us challenges that produce those things in us. So, yeah, we are meant to love people unconditionally.

A (28:44)

And one of the prayers that you and I do is. And it's something that I. I love to say is, give me the eyes that you have to look at them. Like you look at them.

B (28:59)

Yeah.

A (29:00)

And so. And it really does. Like, it really does kind of change things, right?

B (29:04)

Yeah.

A (29:05)

Because we think about how much we mess up and how much Jesus just takes us back to. Forgives us. Forgives us. And so, yeah, I like to remind myself of that because I'm like, you forgive them. Why am I held in a grudge? Oh, you know.

B (29:19)

Oh, it's so. I've been so convicted of unforgiveness, and knowing that you have to, like, truly repent of unforgiveness. Unforgiveness will make you completely sick, mentally, physically, emotionally. You have to forgive.

A (29:36)

Oh, yeah.

B (29:39)

And it's a supernatural work that takes place in your heart.

A (29:41)

And it's a beautiful work because I'll tell you, when I. I got into a little fight with my mom the other day, and I. I was a little bit nasty to her, honestly. Like, I got so angry at what she said, and so I. Sorry, mom telling her, telling everyone our business.

B (30:01)

Okay? She.

A (30:04)

And so. She's amazing.

B (30:04)

She doesn't care.

A (30:05)

She goes, what'd you say?

B (30:08)

I'm on Birdie's team. I love her.

A (30:10)

I love her. And so I. So I text her. You know when you text in a rage moment and you're not thinking? And then I slam my phone down, and then I go into prayer, and I couldn't even think straight.

B (30:24)

Oh, that. Yeah.

A (30:24)

And I'm like, okay. And immediately I go to my phone and I just say, I just. I'm so sorry for the way I just spoke to you. I'm in prayer right now, and I apologize. You didn't deserve to be spoken to like that. And then I just had a moment of being like, how beautiful is this that you can't even get away with being disrespectful? That looking like Jesus means forgiving immediately. I couldn't even go five minutes with the way I spoke without having to text her right away. And I just had one of those moments where I was like, this is so following Jesus. What a beautiful thing. So challenging, so hard. But wow, like this is so beautiful because if this was three years ago, like I would have went, I don't know, a month.

B (31:15)

Yeah.

A (31:16)

And like this unforgiveness, hard and heart.

B (31:20)

And then nightfall never getting true resolve. Just like.

A (31:24)

And then you go months without talking to them. So it's, it's so beautiful.

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I don't know. You go.

B (36:04)

Listen, we, Ari and I, I think, okay. And we just want to address if you've been here from the beginning. I love you so much. Ari and I used to get real fired up in the beginning in our relationships episodes. And we just, like, we always just want to be kind and we want to be sensitive and, like, be aware that everybody's situation is different. Everybody's life is different. And with that being said, I still don't believe that splitting bills. 50. 50 is okay in a dating situation. You're taking girls on dates now. I think when you are in a relationship and you are now you're still courting and pursuing, but it's kind of different. There's more commitment now. Your lives are a little bit more integrated. There's exclusivity and, like, definitely deeper intimacy between you, I think. Then, of course, if you are in a bad situation, men or a tough situation financially and, like, you don't have. Have the money to be taking a girl out on dates and all those things, like, that's completely understandable. And that's a conversation that is worth having with the girl that you're dating and just being so upfront and honest and being like, I want to do these things for you. I just don't have the means to do it right now. However, in those beginning stages of dating where you are pursuing a girl, you're courting a girl, even if you don't know yet if you like the girl, but you are test like you guys are testing it out, hanging out. I believe that whatever your capability in taking a girl out is, like, you should be taking her out to dates that you can cover the date. And if you literally have no money to cover a date, then I think you can use your imagination and come up with a beautiful date that doesn't cost any money. But if you are taking a girl out and you're courting a girl, please don't ask her to pay half of the bill. Please don't ask her to split it. I think it's just gentlemanly manners. I think we need to get back to just foundation of masculinity. And I think an aspect of that is being a provider. Especially when you're courting a girl, it's at. It's like showing a girl how you value her and how much you value yourself, honestly, because it is a direct reflection of yourself, how much respect you have for yourself. What do you think?

A (38:46)

You said it perfectly. I do not believe in 50. 50. I do not believe in 50. 50. I think as a strong man, you know, we have our roles, and a man is a provider. And God bless Charlie Kirk's life and his soul, but he says it perfectly. Watch some of his videos. I love how he puts it. And a provider. And I know some people are struggling really bad, but it's still what you're supposed to do.

B (39:19)

Yeah.

A (39:19)

Yeah.

B (39:20)

And there's, like, ways to go about things. And I think at one point Ari and I were like, don't ask a girl to go to coffee, like take her out on a proper dinner. And I used to think that too. And now maybe I've changed my opinion a little bit. I think it's okay to take a girl from church out to coffee and just get to know each other. Maybe go on a walk if that's a little bit less pressure. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that. If you really like a girl and you're about to make a girl your girlfriend, I think like a proper nice dinner, going somewhere, sitting across from each other, picking her up, and just like being a true gentleman. You guys, you guys know what to do. You guys are gentlemen.

A (40:08)

You guys don't know how far that takes you. Like actually planning the dates, pick you up at this time.

B (40:15)

Yeah.

A (40:16)

Making the reservation, not being wishy washy, like actually taking the initiative to plan it, to book it, to say, I'll be here. I will say that it is so attractive when the man picks the girl up. Not meet me there, but I'll pick you up at this time. Like I love when a guy is assertive and he takes initiative and he picks you up and he just courts you and he does things right.

B (40:40)

He opens.

A (40:41)

Like these things are so rare nowadays. So you don't understand how far it will take you if you do these little things. Like I always notice when a guy opens my door. I always will notice when he says, I'm going to book this place. Like that is so incredibly attractive.

B (40:58)

Yes. Take the lead, guys. Be a leader. Okay, Little texting etiquette. You're asking a girl to hang out. You're asking a girl, you guys are talking and now you're making plans to hang out. Do not leave her wondering what you're doing, what time you're doing it, at what day you're hanging out. I'm not saying that you have to immediately make plans, but be assertive. Be a leader. Make the plan. Let her know what's up, what time, where we're going. Make the plan. And don't leave space and leave her wondering. Don't ask, what do you want to do?

A (41:39)

It's the worst. And there's nothing like making a girl feel good. That is how you make a girl feel safe and loved and like you care is when you make her. You put effort in and like it doesn't have to be this grand old thing, but simply picking her up, simply making the plan, simply taking her to a dinner and just, just making her feel. That's how you make A girl feel good.

B (42:08)

Take her out for an ice cream. Take her out for an ice cream. Don't ask, do you want to hang out? Say I want to take you out.

A (42:21)

When are you available?

B (42:22)

When are you available? Does Tuesday night work for you? Okay, perfect.

A (42:26)

Booking the place.

B (42:27)

Yeah. Making the plan. Do not wait until. If you make plans earlier in the week, let's hang out Sunday. And then you wait until Sunday morning to say, hey, let's hang out at five o' clock today. It's that space that's just a little bit disrespectful. It definitely raises flags. Feels awkward, makes a girl feel devalued. It's just not good.

A (42:49)

Yeah, you don't want to make a girl wait around till the day of. That's. I love that you say that because that is a red flag.

B (42:55)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (42:56)

You text her the night before, a couple nights before. I can't wait to see you. I'll be there tomorrow at this time.

B (43:04)

And this goes without saying, but I'm just gonna say it. Don't ask her to go for a drink at a bar. Don't look at how are you? Don't ask her to go for a drink at a bar. Don't ask her to go to the Biggest flag.

A (43:19)

It is the biggest red flag.

B (43:20)

Don't ask her to go smoke some weed. I don't know if anyone's doing that. It's just not a good idea. Like, seriously, guys, don't ask her to smoke weed. I don't know. You never know.

A (43:29)

What are we doing?

B (43:30)

I don't know.

A (43:31)

No, it's true.

B (43:32)

We have a broad.

A (43:32)

You know, I mean, I'm gonna be really honest with you and I'm just gonna say I really don't like when a guy asked me to go for coffee.

B (43:41)

You don't like when a guy asks you to go.

A (43:42)

Like, I wouldn't like that.

B (43:44)

Can I be honest? You're a little bit. You're a woman and you wouldn't want that. You're dating guy. I, I guess I'm more so, you know, If a guy's 20 years old and.

A (43:54)

Oh, yeah, no, if you're younger.

B (43:56)

But I think yes, if you are an established. Listen to me. If you're 30, if you're a 30 year old man, you're taking her on, you're taking her to dinner.

A (44:05)

But you know what the people say. Okay, but you know what people say? They're like, but I want to know like, if I like them. But you should have a couple conversations with them. Before you. That's actually point. Yeah. Like, I've had some friends be like, well, I want to know, like, if it's worth a dinner. Well, have a couple conversations before you get ready and go meet someone. And you'll know by the couple conversations.

B (44:28)

Like, you mean over FaceTime or text.

A (44:29)

FaceTime. Text. Yeah. On the phone. I think you should talk on the phone a couple times before you meet up with someone. Yeah, I think that's important. And then I think you'll know if you can go to dinner with someone.

B (44:40)

Yeah. Yeah. And to add on to that, you don't need to. Chemistry is really interesting. I think. Chemistry. I think you might not even know until, like, four or five dates in if you actually like somebody. It's interesting because people will go on one date and be like, I just didn't feel a spark. Like, I just didn't feel chemistry. Sometimes you definitely know that that person's not for you. And then sometimes, oftentimes you need a first date. Both people probably aren't being themselves. They're both probably a little nervous. Might be a little awkward. Second date, a little better. Third date, better. By the fourth and fifth date, like, then you actually kind of, like, see someone's personality. And this isn't like every situation, but I just think that, like, xing someone out based off of the first date because you didn't have a spark yet, I don't think it's the right thing. If this is a good person, a good man, or a good woman who loves Jesus and has the qualities that you like in a person, you're somewhat attracted to them because even attraction grows.

A (45:47)

Oh, yeah. You know, my older sister and her husband, who. I look up to them because they have the. They're just, like, the best. They hated each other. They really did. They hated each other at first. It took them, like, five times.

B (46:02)

Wow.

A (46:03)

Yeah. And they're inseparable for, I don't know, 10 years. Inseparable. The best, best friends.

B (46:11)

John and I have the silliest relationship. Like, John and I are ridiculous together. We barely speak English when we're together because we just make sounds and, like, we're so weird. Do you think the first five dates John and I were, like, getting, like, having the humor that we have now?

A (46:29)

Right.

B (46:30)

You know what I mean? It. Actually, I liked him. We had great conversation. There were everything that I saw, I liked, but I didn't see everything based on the first five times that I saw him. I didn't see everything. And, like, when I look at my dating With John, it was so relaxed. There was no pressure. He or I never thought, this person has to be my spouse. We were just, we were chilling. There was nothing weird. However, I think I've told this story before, John. Maybe one day he can tell this story. But like I always tell John, he needs to teach a master class on how to pursue a girl. Because. Because John was so chill.

A (47:13)

Yeah.

B (47:14)

And also equally as in pursuit of me, John made it very clear. The third day that I knew him, we hung out for three consecutive days. When he came to LA to take me out on the third day, we were at lunch after going to church and he said to me, I just want you to know I'm gonna like. I like you and I want to pursue you and I'm going to continue pursuing you. I plan on coming to LA again to spend time with you. So literally the first time I meet him, he like laid it out like, I'm going to pursue you and potentially get into a relationship with you. Like these. This is where we're going. This is what I feel. I'm gonna come back and see you. And he wasn't weird. He wasn't desperate. He didn't.

A (47:52)

He was. He's so. He's so cool.

B (47:54)

He was so chill.

A (47:56)

Yeah, he was. You know, he should teach him dying.

B (47:58)

On the inside, but he was.

A (48:00)

He should teach a master class. He really is chill.

B (48:04)

He was so chill. And so I think that there's a way to do both to like openly pursue a girl without love bombing. Love bombing, exactly.

A (48:15)

I think it is so attractive when a man pursues and approaches and a nice. What's the word? Like just, just a respectable way. Not a love bomby, weird, pickup liney way. But if you approach me in such a way, like, to me, a man that's confident, it's everything. So if I'm getting approached so respectfully and somebody is interested, I think that is the most. One of the most courageous and bold things that we really don't see that often. And so I just will say as a woman that I know how you feel. I think it's so bold if you come in such a kind, respectful way because it's really. You don't really see. Guys aren't doing that anymore. They're not approaching women. They're not exactly. They're just not being bold. I don't see a lot of boldness. So we need more boldness, we need more confidence and we need more just good, respectable men that say, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna approach her. Yeah, I think it's a beautiful thing.

B (49:28)

I love that. That is so on point. What do you think about. This is something that happens in church a lot where. Or in Christian dating or maybe in the world too. But guys will keep girls as friends even though they're like kind of pursuing them, but they don't make it obvious and they don't pers. And they don't say that they're pursuing them, but they're texting them all the time. They're hanging out a lot. They hang out by themselves. They are pursuing them, but without the pressure of having to pursue them or the responsibility of like actively pursuing them. And so now girls are left wondering, what does it mean? Does he like me? Am I just his friend? He acts like he likes me more, but then he also acts like I'm just his friend.

A (50:19)

Can I be honest with you?

B (50:20)

Absolutely.

A (50:22)

In my grandmother's time, men were literally going to wars. And my grandfather approached my grandmother and said, that's the one. And he did the right thing and he married her. And they had 50 years of a beautiful marriage. And I. I just think all of this stuff of like, I'm going to keep her as a friend and I'm not ready. And I. And I just think it's so weak. And that's the truth. I think there is a attack of weakness and it's coming from the other kingdom. I think the devil wants nothing more than to keep men small and weak and non committal. And I just think it's. I'm seeing it everywhere. My friends are struggling with it. I have the most incredible women with integrity, beautiful, are gonna be the greatest wives. And we are all struggling to find good men. I think that. I think it's the games and the friends and the. It's just, it's so. I'm like looking back at photos of men back then and I'm like, where are these men? Where are they? Cause I don't. I don't. It's really hard right now. And that's just the truth. And I just think we need stronger men. And that's coming from a woman that's single right now. And I've seen a lot. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. But there is an attack on masculinity right now.

B (51:53)

It's an attack. It's an attack. It's an attack. It's an attack on strength and it's an Attack on drive. Like there's just a laziness and fear and avoidance and just going to get.

A (52:08)

Something while you talk.

B (52:10)

Yeah. And then I would just say to the men who are treating girls as friends while trying to pursue them, but not saying that they're pursuing them because they don't, first of all, want to put themselves out there, or they don't want to it to be pressure or they want to keep their options open. If you call yourself a Christian, a follower of Jesus, a man of God, that ends today. You have to stop doing that. You treat every woman that you come in contact with like she is a daughter and a princess of love, God, and you treat her as such. Okay? And that means you talk to them with intentionality, you speak to them with respect, and you don't leave them wondering what's going on. Does this guy like me? You have to be clear up front. And you know what? Even if it hurts their feelings, even if it's hard for them to hear you be so kind and so compassionate and just be very honest that you know what? I value you so much as a person. You and I are just friends. And then after you say that to them, because I see this a lot too, someone will be like, sorry, I just like you as a friend. But do you still want to hang out? And. And do you. Do you still want to be super close friends where we talk all day long, we're on the phone, we hang out, just us. Don't do that either. And I think that also brings up the question, can men and women be friends? I don't know. I think couples can be friends. I think I can be friends with John's friends and John can be friends with my friends. Friends. Have I ever had a successful friendship with a guy that was completely platonic on both ends and never even remotely had a thing of confusion, weirdness, or, like, hope that it could be something different? I don't think so. I think that of course you can be friends with guys. I don't know if guys and girls should be hanging out by themselves without really clear boundaries, because I guarantee you somebody in the equation wants it to be more. And if you're a guy and you know that there's a possibility the girl you're hanging out with and talking to a lot likes you and you're letting that go on and you're stringing them along and you're leading them on, that's not okay. And there's no shame, it's no condemnation. You don't have to Continue doing that. But this is your sign to really stop. And. And then the last thing that I'll say is, just for girls, we're speaking to men in who they should become, and we're speaking to you guys in who you should become and what you should allow. Girls, you have all the power in the world to decide what you want to let into your life. If there are guys doing what I just described to you, no, you don't need to let them do that. You can end it and say, I'm not going to be. You don't have to make it a big thing where you say to them, hey, you're leading me on and stringing me along and blah, blah, blah. And you need to change. You can simply separate yourself, remove yourself from that intimate relationship, keep them as a friend and be like, I'm not going to text you all day. I'm not going to hang out with you alone. If a guy isn't making it clear what he wants with you, treat them as a genuine friend. Don't fantasize about them and literally just move on from it because it's not worth it. Until a man explicitly tells you, I like you, I want to take you out, out, it's not worth giving it even one thought because they haven't been, you don't want a guy anyways. That's not being open with you. And I get. They might be afraid God needs to deal with that with them. I love that.

A (55:53)

It's so true. It. We are sitting here wondering, and why isn't he texting me? And it's been four days and. And I had like the. This is a man that is going to be your husband and is going to have to make the phone calls for you someday when God forbid, something happens to one of your parents and is gonna go through so much sickness and life with you. Choose wisely. If somebody isn't texting you and going days with like, you know, when you know, when you know, don't put excuses for people. Exactly.

B (56:24)

You will know.

A (56:25)

If someone is interested in you, you will know. And I love what you said earlier about just know Jesus, because this past two years of literally not having having anyone in my life and really understanding the love of Jesus, that unconditional love, I mean, whoever comes into my life is really going to have to be special because I know what unconditional love is. And so you just do not settle for anything less than that because you know what true love is and you know love that doesn't leave. And so if Someone isn't texting you or giving you lukewarmness. Like, just understand that. Like, don't, don't sit there and wait around. Don't. Don't wait around for that. You know, like that feeling that you have right here in your gut that's saying, he's not texting me for days. I mean, that's your answer right there. There is no, like calling all your friends and asking them, you know, when you know.

B (57:25)

Yeah.

A (57:27)

How would a devil destroy a man in this. In this century? Isolation through technology. Distract him with endless scrolling. Keep him glued to screens and replace real relationships with shallow online connections. Confuse his identity, make him unsure of who he is, what he believes or what his purpose is. Constantly bombard him with conflicting information. Numb him with pleasure. Overload him with entertainment, pornography, substances so he avoids facing hard truths about himself. Confuses. Turn him against other. Feed him with outrage, division. Destroy him with a sense of hope. Convince him the future is bleak and that nothing he does matters. Keep him busy but empty. Fill his life with meaningless work stress so he never has time to reflect or grow. Make him distrust truth. Blur the line between fact and fiction so he doesn't know what's real anymore. So true. Because that's what's happening right now in this generation more than ever.

B (58:29)

I can't believe what it said about isolation through technology.

A (58:33)

Keep them distracted with work. I'm too busy with work. I don't need to get married. I don't need this. I just need to make my money, money, money.

B (58:41)

And then you become older and you've lived so independently for so long and you have everything figured out. Your career, your life, your home, your everything. And so to fit another person into your life is really hard. You want to know what it is to be in relations, relationship? It is sacrifice and it's compromise. And there's an effort. If God is in something, there's like somewhat of an effortlessness. And it's a lot of work. There's nothing like merging two lives together that are completely different. When we talk about compatibility, guys, my counselor told me this. Everybody's incompatible. Nobody's actually compatible because we're all different. You have to find somebody who. Somebody whose incompatibility somewhat is compatible with your compatible. You know what I mean? Like, you have to find someone who's the least incompatible with you because we're all incompatible. So do you know how much sacrifice and compromise it takes to blend lives together? There is no selfishness in a thriving covenant, godly marriage. You can't be Selfish, because you have to prefer the other person. You have to compromise. I think one thing that I'll say about. And I say that to say about what you said about the work stuff. So. Men specifically, usually. But it happens to women, too. They become so independent that it's a bother for them to let somebody into their life, because it does disrupt your life. It makes things more difficult. You've already got everything figured out, so it's annoying to have someone else to think about. It's annoying to have somebody in your space. That's what happens when you're so toxically independent that you have left no room for another person to come in your life and.

A (60:30)

Or if you just have them there because you can't be alone and you just have them there when they're there and you go with them, but you're all about, like, work and stuff, and then you just have them on the sidelines with no idea of committing or future or planning.

B (60:45)

Right. I guess. John was talking to a friend recently who. John was just kind of explaining the call of God for a husband. And it's Ephesians 5. You lay down your life for your wife and for your family. Like, you always prefer your wife. You leading your wife and your family means that you literally sacrifice yourself to put them above you. And John was telling his friend, like, one of the ways that I do this for Angela is Angela likes buying a lot of Pottery Barn furniture, assembling it and putting it together, trying it out in her house, and then deciding she doesn't like it, and then putting it back in the box. And her house every week is filled with boxes that I have to go up her stairs, take the boxes down into my truck, take it to UPS, mail these boxes back, pay like 70 bucks for the boxes. And he's like, and it's so weird to me, and I don't like it. And it's not fun. And I do it because it's just. She likes it. She enjoys it. And, like, I don't want to do it, but I'll do it. You know what I mean? It's just like, little things like that. It's just spend time in prayer every day and say, jesus, destroy my independence. Jesus, crucify my independence.

A (62:14)

Just say, men. Whoever is feeling like, man, I. I just. I'm not. I don't feel like I am. I want to commit. I want. I'm. I am about all my work. I. I am selfish. Well, you know what? I just. We want to let you know that you're in A great place that you can actually notice that and say, I want to change though. And I will tell you, like, I was not ready to be a wife. Yeah, I had to really learn. I had to like, really be in relationship with Jesus. I had to grow. I had to let things die. And, and he's had to prune me and take off branches. And it's been two years of that. And so it takes time and that's okay. And we all have upbringings where we were learned certain things and we are just, just trying to get by. And so we have selfishness and ego and pride. And not all of us were raised learning the right way, learning how to be the right way. And so I just want to say that none of us are perfect. And yeah, like you said, you just ask for that in the mornings. It's dying to yourself every single morning being like, help me, I want to be the man that you've called me to be. I, I want to look more like you. Like, help me in these areas. Get good mentors, mentors. And being around good godly people is so crucial. You have no idea. And I wouldn't be this woman that I am if I wasn't around good people, good mentors, people with integrity. And so when you surround yourself with that, when you go into relationship and really start saying, you have to start being honest, that's what it is. You gotta, once you start saying, I have all this stuff, help me, me, that's when he gets to work.

B (64:04)

So true. And if you don't know what stuff you have, because a lot of us don't know, don't ask Jesus. Lord, reveal to me my issues.

A (64:12)

Search my heart, oh Lord.

B (64:13)

Search my heart, oh Lord, and show me and honestly ask God for self awareness. Ask God for social awareness. Ask Jesus to give you wisdom and how to be in relationship with people. Ask Jesus for wisdom and how to date. Ask Jesus, Jesus for help. Be like, I don't know how to date. I don't know how to talk to this guy. I don't know what to like, I don't know what to do. Show me what I'm potentially doing wrong. Like, just show me. We need God to show us what we're even doing wrong, because we don't even know half the time.

A (64:44)

Yeah.

B (64:45)

And so being in true relationship with Jesus, you know what it does? It makes you literally stop thinking about what other people are doing wrong. And you can only see what you're doing wrong. Wrong. So if you find yourself blaming other people or thinking about him or her or them or what they're doing wrong and how they're not doing this and they're not holding up in this way, that's probably valid. And then also go to Jesus and be like, I'm aware of all of that. You take care of all that. Because I guarantee you God has never talked about somebody else to you in your secret place, ever. He has never brought somebody else up and been like, yeah, I need to change that in that person. No, he always says to you, hey, I love you. We gotta change a couple things here.

A (65:27)

Yep.

B (65:28)

That's what it's like. He's never. So just bring Jesus your stuff and if you don't know what your stuff is, ask him. God, what's my stuff? What's my issue? I need. I need awareness. I need self awareness. Show me.

A (65:41)

Jesus and bad company really does corrupt good character. So if you're around somebody who's cheating, who isn't really. Who's really committal, but they're your friends, so you're gonna, you're gonna take that on. Stop. Yes. So you just have to be. You really do have to be careful. Cause you don't even notice it. But when you're around certain people. Ever since I started being around like my friend and her husband, who she just loves and respects and she's patient with, it's made me want to be more patient. It's made me bow. You know, it's made me wanna. Even looking at Michael, who is so patient with her. And I'm just like, I will not settle for anything less than this. And so you need to be around people that model integrity and commitment and patience and love.

B (66:33)

Yeah.

A (66:34)

So good.

B (66:35)

I think our biggest issue is self worth. I think if we could approach dating from the lens of. From a place of high self worth, solid self worth. Self worth that is rooted in Jesus identity, that's rooted in Jesus. We would be more confident, there'd be more peace, we'd have more clarity. I think there's so much confusion in dating at times because we're looking at everything from the lens of our own. Through the lens of our own self worth. Like everything is a reflection of, of us. They don't like me. They don't really want to be with me. They don't like this about me. I feel awkward. I don't feel pursued all these things. And especially for women and men too. I know, but I see it so much in girls, how like we're just dying to be picked. Everybody just wants to be chosen and loved. And know that they are desirable. And it's all rooted in self worth. And the number one way to grow and fix and increase your self worth is to focus on the one who is worthy to focus on Jesus, to spend time with Jesus, to read the Word, discover who Jesus is through the living Bible. You cannot know Jesus apart from reading the Bible. You will only grow in intimacy through reading the Bible and sitting in quiet, quiet and sitting in prayer and letting Jesus love on you and opening your hands and saying, lord, I have low self worth. Fill me with love. Show me who I am. Asking him every. If you're struggling with self worth, you have to get on your knees every single day and say, you show me who I am. I'm not going to let anybody or anything else show me who I am. You show me who I am. I promise you. That might seem, seem like a really small prayer. It's so powerful because God is faithful to answer. If you are genuinely seeking the answer, he's going to give it to you and he will begin to show you who you are. And then your worth will not be affected by what anybody else does. And so if you're listening and you don't know Jesus yet, or you haven't fully given your life to Jesus, everything that you want, having a thriving relationship, a thriving marriage, a thriving life, begins at salvation, begins at placing your hands in the one who gave you your life in the first place. If you just believe in God, but you haven't given your life to Jesus, you've gotten it completely wrong. Jesus is God. He is the Son of God. He's the living God. There's no name under heaven by which men can be saved other than Jesus. It's only Jesus. Identity, self worth, self confidence, joy, peace. All of these things begin when you give your life to Jesus. And so I want to invite you to pray with us and just make the best decision that you can ever make. And again, if you say that you believe in God, God, but you haven't given your life to Jesus, the one who died on a cross for the forgiveness of your sins, who is our high priest and our mediator, the one who stands in the gap between us and God, we can't get to God if not through Jesus. You need to pray this prayer with me. So, dear Jesus, I give you my life. I believe you died on the cross for the forgiveness of my sins. Sins. I believe on the third day you resurrected and now you're seated at the right hand of the Father. I renounce the devil. I renounce my sin. I renounce the world. Jesus, I give you my life, I give you my heart, I give you my body, I give you my spirit. I give you my mind, I give you my soul, I give you my relationships. Lord, help me focus on the one who is worthy rather than my own self worth. May I find myself worth in you alone. May my spirit yield to you alone. Fill me with your holy Spirit. In Jesus name. Amen. As if you just gave your life to Jesus. We love you so much. We're so proud of you. We're so grateful to be on this journey with you. If you're watching this and you're already a believer, go lead a couple people to salvation today. Go out there, ask people if they know Jesus, take a risk and say, hey, do you want to give your life to Jesus? You will be surprised at how many people you're going to start leading to the Lord if you have that type of boldness.

A (71:36)

Yeah, start praying for people. Yeah, we pray for boldness and authority over you guys. We've been doing, been doing this walk for a long time. Time. And so it's time. I really, I as, whenever I pray, I just see like all of us, like we're gonna. This is gonna be a year where we make more disciples than ever.

B (71:57)

Let's go. You better speak that we love you guys so much. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May he make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you. May he turn his face towards you and give you peace. Shalom.

A (72:11)

Shalom.