The Snack: Phillies Karen, VMAs, and Unknown Number

Summary

Girls Gotta Eat "The Snack" - September 11, 2025

Episode: Phillies Karen, VMAs, and Unknown Number

Overview

In this lively "Snack" edition, Ashley Hesseltine and Raina Greenberg serve up a comedic, rapid-fire rundown of the week in sports, pop culture, viral memes, and streaming TV. They dissect Philly sports chaos (including the viral "Spitgate" and "Home Run Karen" moments), share sharp takes on the 2025 VMAs’ generational oddities, and break down the jaw-dropping Netflix doc "Unknown Number." The episode also touches on wild internet moments (like Luigi Mangione’s Shein ad and Trump’s Epstein card), the ever-evolving celebrity relationship web, and more—all with trademark GGE irreverence and wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Great Philly Spitgate (00:59–09:26)

• Eagles Season Opener: The much-anticipated NFL kickoff between Philly and Dallas erupts when Jalen Carter is ejected before the game even starts after spitting on Dak Prescott.
  • "Six seconds into the game." — Raina (03:36)
  • "This is unprecedented in sports...both really famous, seasoned, long time professional players." — Raina (04:20)
  • There’s confusion, then video evidence emerges that Prescott "spit first."
  • Rapid meme response: Philly fans shift from embarrassment to righteous defense—"He Dax'ed first."
  • "Jaylen Carter spitting on Dak Prescott is so comparable to Will Smith slapping Chris Rock where you're stunned." — Ashley (07:56)
  • Jason Kelce’s viral tweet: "Everyone knows you don’t spit, you swallow. Obvi." (08:21)
• Meta Commentary: The co-hosts riff on sports' repressed sexuality, Philly pride, and viral meme culture in the wake of the incident.

2. Philly’s Home Run 'Karen' at Marlins Game (09:50–15:38)

• Karen Attacks for a Baseball: A Phillies-Marlins game becomes a spectacle when a Cruella De Vil–haired woman aggressively takes a home run ball from a father and son.
  • The stadium boos, social media excoriates her, and memes abound.
  • The kid eventually "makes out" better: gifted by the Marlins, Harrison Bader, and a camper company.
  • The co-hosts debate the ethics of ball-chasing and parental entitlement, landing on "never take it from a kid."
  • "Punishment fits the crime": Her public shaming is bad enough—calls not to dox or over-punish.
  • "[People] take it too far…this is why we can't have nice things." — Ashley (14:08)
  • Hilarity over her haircut and the inevitable Spirit Halloween costume meme.

3. Flag-Crawling Mystery Man at Steelers Game (16:00–17:44)

• At MetLife Stadium, crowds watch confused as a man must crawl the length of a giant flag during the national anthem.
  • "He looks so...It’s so Pittsburgh." — Raina (16:39)
  • Is it an alien? No one knows who he is or how he got there—perfect viral fodder.

4. 2025 VMAs: A Generational Mashup (22:08–31:29)

• Host and Performers: LL Cool J hosted (the crowd was confused), with throwbacks like Ricky Martin and Lady Gaga mixed with Gen Z stars.
  • "This was a year of, like, some extreme nostalgia..." — Raina (22:37)
  • The struggle to “reach everyone,” with presenters and artists spanning decades.
• Performance Highlights:
  • Gaga’s art-school horror show ("terrifying...I was triggered as someone who saw the Thriller video too young") (24:47)
  • Sabrina Carpenter and Tate McRae praised for sexy, bold performances—much sand and speculation about sand in uncomfortable places.
  • Mariah Carey’s legendary “give us nothing” performance, slow-walking the stage and bantering with the crowd:
    • "She was the epitome of yes, girl, give us nothing." — Ashley (27:23)
    • "She shaded it too a little bit—like, what took you so long, MTV?" — Ashley (27:40)
    • Iconic new catchphrase: "Would you ever go to space?" — "I've done enough." — Mariah Carey (30:19)
• On the fading shock value of VMAs: "We come from an era of just like...no surprises." — Ashley & Raina (31:19)

5. Who’s Hosting the Emmys? (31:30–34:27)

• Comedy guessing game reveals Nate Bargatze as upcoming Emmys host—co-hosts are surprised but ultimately approve.
  • "He is one of my favorite comedians ever....but I did not see that coming." — Raina (34:20)
  • As an aside, discusses how hosts should span generations (and why it shouldn't always be Nikki).

6. Netflix Doc "Unknown Number" (34:34–44:05)

• A candid (SPOILER FILLED) breakdown: High school catfishing, small-town chaos, and the disturbing twist that the mystery harasser was the victim’s own mother.
  • "I've never seen spoilers like this for a show in the history of time." — Raina (35:12)
  • Munchausen by proxy, emotional manipulation, and the psychological devastation for the daughter.
  • "It would be more understandable if this mom was bullying other kids...but this is like, you’re a monster." — Ashley (37:22)
  • Police handling and the dad’s understated rage examined.
  • “Trevor Wallace” video parodies instantly referenced and recommended (“This is the most name that I've ever done. Diabolical masterpiece.” — Ashley, 41:54)
  • Reveals mom's dangerous fixation and the perverse twist of her inserting herself as the comforter after being unmasked as the perpetrator.

7. Viral & Celebrity News Quick Hits (44:16–58:58)

• Luigi Mangione, Shein and AI Fakes: A convicted murderer becomes an accidental Shein model—Was someone trolling, was it AI, or just bad QA?
• Trump's Birthday Card to Epstein: Coarse, lewd, and possibly incriminating—plus the outlandish right-wing claim that Trump was at Epstein events as an FBI informant:
  • "You are stupid. And you are in a cult." — Ashley (54:44)
• Celebrity Dating Avalanche: Hot people are dating even hotter people:
  • Olivia Jade double-dipping with Glen Powell and Jacob Elordi
    • "She got that Meghan Markle pussy." — Raina (56:20)
  • Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles—match made in fashion heaven; Kaia Gerber’s new, less-famous man.
  • Zoe Kravitz’s enviable dating history: "She’s, like, the number one." — Raina (57:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Comment | |-----------|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 07:56 | Ashley | "Jaylen Carter spitting on Dak Prescott is so comparable to Will Smith slapping Chris Rock where you're stunned." | | 08:21 | Jason Kelsey (quoted by hosts) | "Everyone knows you don’t spit, you swallow. Obvi."| | 14:08 | Ashley | "[People] take it too far…this is why we can't have nice things."| | 22:37 | Raina | "This was a year of, like, some extreme nostalgia..." | | 27:23 | Ashley | "She was the epitome of yes, girl, give us nothing." | | 30:19 | Mariah Carey (relayed by hosts) | "I've done enough." | | 41:54 | Ashley | On the Trevor Wallace parody: "This is the most name that I've ever done. Diabolical masterpiece." | | 54:44 | Ashley | "You are stupid. And you are in a cult." | | 56:20 | Raina | "She got that Meghan Markle pussy." | | 57:11 | Raina | "She’s, like, the number one." |

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Additional Highlights by Timestamp

• [03:52] – Why Spitgate “jump scare” compares to Will Smith/Chris Rock.
• [09:26] – Jason Kelsey’s blowjob joke goes viral.
• [15:38] – "Send him to the MLB" on the mythic child baseball catch.
• [27:40] – Mariah Carey shades the VMAs for her belated award.
• [30:19] – Mariah’s "I've done enough" becomes the new GGE mantra.
• [34:34] – Netflix doc “Unknown Number”: the big reveal and psychological aftermath.
• [43:53] – Raina, as "Kendra," jokes about crossing over into catfish villainy.
• [44:16]–[58:58] – Lightning round: Shein, Trump and Epstein, AI models, and A-list dating drama.

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Tone & Style

The episode is an irreverent mashup of current events, pop commentary, and R-rated comedy, with the hosts riffing candidly, sometimes crassly, but always sharply. The mood is casual, chaotically funny, sometimes a bit biting, offering both “did you see this?” recaps and deeper, layered discussion—peppered with viral references and inside jokes.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This Snack is a one-stop download of the week’s wildest sports drama, memeable moments, and streaming TV shocks. Come for Philly chaos and VMA nostalgia; stay for blistering one-liners (“He Dax’ed first,” “I’ve done enough”), pop culture whiplash, and can’t-miss true crime documentary talk. Skip the ads, share the memes, and use this summary as your GGE cheat sheet at brunch.

Transcript

[Ashley Hess]

This week on the snack we have a wild sports report, highlights from the VMAs. We are breaking down the documentary Unknown Number, High School Catfish and more.

[Raina Greenberg]

This is a Dear Media production.

[Ashley Hess]

Enjoy.

[Raina Greenberg]

Hi guys. Hello. Welcome to the middle of your week, the end of your week.

[Ashley Hess]

Towards the end, second to last day of the week we got there. Do you like a week, a four day week that's Monday to Thursday or Tuesday to Friday. Do you like having Monday off or Friday off?

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay. I like to front load the week. So Monday. I worked so hard yesterday. I woke up at 6 in the morning. I worked straight through. I even told you at like seven like I'm not. And I like to front load the week. Get a ton done on Monday. I like to record with you on Tuesdays. And then I'm trying to just fucking chill.

[Ashley Hess]

I hate a Monday off.

[Raina Greenberg]

I feel so behind. I don't want it. What do you mean? Like you and I will fly home like in an inconvenient time on a Sunday night. Just we're back on Monday.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes, I always like to be home on a Sunday as early, early as possible. Have the Sunday get my shit together, start Monday fresh. Never work on a Friday.

[Raina Greenberg]

I would never. Do not talk to me. I will do anything to make sure we don't work on Thursday.

[Ashley Hess]

I do be working on Fridays but sometimes are bothered by it.

[Raina Greenberg]

Only if it's like 3pm or later or if anyone talks to me at 4 o' clock on any day of the week or later.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, well, let's talk about our partners, some newbies. Yeah, and we'll get into it.

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

For our report this week.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, we are a sports report. Sports are back.

[Raina Greenberg]

Sports are back. Steelers and the Eagles won this week. I love to see it. We won with our geriatric quarterback, Aaron Rodgers. I'm not calling 41 geriatric, but in.

[Ashley Hess]

Quarterback language, it's geriatric in sports and in getting married. I am a geriatric bride and I'm proud. It's just like he's a geriatric quarterback.

[Raina Greenberg]

See how it goes?

[Ashley Hess]

What, my wedding? No, the season. I always forget he's the quarterback.

[Raina Greenberg]

No, he's new.

[Ashley Hess]

Like, oh, oh, right.

[Raina Greenberg]

He was the jets quarterback.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, God, yeah. I don't know. I just keep up with one team and one team all day.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's enough. One is enough.

[Ashley Hess]

I mean, you said you were jealous and you have a right to be. Jalen Hurts is the hottest man alive. Yes. In the league. But also, just like, everybody knows this. Every time he speaks, I have to change my underwear.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, we. A lot of stuff happened in sports this week, specifically in Philly.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay. So, yeah, so it really is Philly themed. We didn't plan it like that, but we're going to kick it off with Spitgate. So this was the season opener of the NFL. We talked about it on Monday's episode. The Eagles played the Cowboys. Obviously the Eagles won the super bowl last year, so they're going to kick it off. I could not wait for this game, Raina. I was so hyped for it. I was like, ready and I was sat for it. Boys to Men sings the national anthem. Rob Mack from Always Sunny introduces the team. All this stuff is happening and all of a sudden Jalen Carter is ejected from the game.

[Raina Greenberg]

Six seconds into the game.

[Ashley Hess]

I said, what game?

[Raina Greenberg]

Six.

[Ashley Hess]

The game is not started. But this happened before the game even started start. Like the game was not going. He's ejected from the game. I got whiplash. I was like, what just happened?

[Raina Greenberg]

So we'll take this. What happened? This is really unprecedented in sports. That's why we're talking about it. You don't be a sports fan. This is crazy. This is a really crazy thing.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

So Dak Prescott, the quarterback of Dallas, I guess spit.

[Ashley Hess]

He said, we didn't see that till later.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay.

[Ashley Hess]

They like ran tape later. All we see is Dak Prescott talking shit to Jalen Carter, who is the Eagles defensive tackle, one of the best defensive defensive players in the league, by the way. So for him to just be out beginning of the game, just suck the life out of the stadium.

[Raina Greenberg]

But these are both really famous, seasoned, long time professional players.

[Ashley Hess]

So Dak Prescott pops off at him. He spits on him.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's. I couldn't believe it.

[Ashley Hess]

He spit on the quarterback and he, he walked off like, kind of like, I know I'm out and that's fine. Like his. I know he has apologized since. And he probably is obviously so embarrassed and ashamed and hates that he did that to his team. But the look on his face was like, he des. And then later they run tape and Dak Prescott had spit towards him. Like there was other people around, and he spit. And then I'm assuming it was like, did you spit at me? And then he got in his face, and then he spit on him. Like, I was texting, like, my brother and Corey, like, what are we watching?

[Raina Greenberg]

This is unprecedented in sports. It does not happen. It couldn't. This is not like a year one player. It's just like, this guy understands sports. You don't see this. And Dak Prescott played it off in such a weird way too. He was like, I just spit. I just spit all the time. I just be spitting. And also sounds not true.

[Ashley Hess]

I'd be spitting bars.

[Raina Greenberg]

You know me. I just. Sometimes it should be like that.

[Ashley Hess]

You know, I got a wet mouth and I'm just out here spitting. Sorry, Jalen, you know what? It is also your mama. Like, what did Dax say? Like, I. He was like, your mom. Your mom knows how to spit. Your mom be spitting when she goes down on me. Like, what did Dak Prescott say to him? I was like, I have to know.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm. And you don't see this. This is the first game of the NFL season. This is a Super bowl winning team. These are professionals at the highest level.

[Ashley Hess]

It was a wild game. Obviously, the Eagles pulled off a win. But then there was a weather delay for an hour. People on the east coast, three in the morning. The game ended. Like, I was talking to Corey. She was like, I'm still up. My kids went to bed so many hours ago. Like, the game got delayed. Like, when the game was delayed for an hour, I took a shower. I blow dry my hair.

[Raina Greenberg]

What I would give to know what Jalen Carter said to him to be like, I don't care. He's. He had to have known he's gonna be ejected from the game. This isn't like, maybe I'll out of play. I don't know. I don't know.

[Ashley Hess]

It's unprecedented. Like you said, like, who's to say? Is it in the rule book? You can't be spitting off people.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, you can't. It's unsportsmanlike contract.

[Ashley Hess]

You can't even.

[Raina Greenberg]

They don't. They don't even let you, like, dance in the end zone anymore. Like.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, you be. People do it, then they just take the fine. You know, I be getting fined every game. And then. So Michael Jordan was at the game dancing. Yeah, that's the price you pay. Michael Jordan was at the game. Oh, like the goat and Jalen hurts. After he scored, he did a like shrug, Like a Michael Jordan shrug. Like a tribute to him. And they asked him about in the press conference and he talked about it and I got so horny. Just listen to him talk. But whatever. They finally play the tape and then all of Philly, who by the way was like, this was classless and were embarrassed. Like, you know, Philly is gonna ride for their players. But they were like, that's out of, that's out of pocket. And then Philly turned into Dax bit first. I think a billboard went out. He daxed first.

[Raina Greenberg]

He fucking started it.

[Ashley Hess]

Started this shit and then you had to finish it. You fuck around and you find out that's what Billy's. So my favorite thing was, of course there's memes and everyone, I swear to God, like the memes took a minute to surface because I think people were like, what just literally happened.

[Raina Greenberg]

So it was a jump scare to me, honestly. The level of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock.

[Ashley Hess]

No, you're like, what? I just watched my Q and I.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'll never forget where I was with your mom and your brother and your sister in law in your brother's living room and all of us were like, what have I just witnessed?

[Ashley Hess]

You are so accurate. Like Jaylen Carter spitting on Dak Prescott is so comparable to Will Smith slapping Chris Rock where you're stunned.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, okay, Will Smith has spent years hearing people talk shit on him and his wife. He has a thunder 30, 40, 50 year career. It's the same thing with like professional sports players. Like, I'm sure that they talk shit to each other all the time. Like, I'm a fuck your mom after this game. Like, you gotta have some self restraint.

[Ashley Hess]

So there was a response once people finally digested what had happened. But Jason Kelsey tweeted out, I mean, everyone knows you don't spit, you swallow. Obvi. In these unprecedented times, he came up with a blowjob joke and said, fucking send it out. The comedian, we all knew heights put it on their feed. They grid posted it before the game was over.

[Raina Greenberg]

I was like, okay, put him in. I want him to do the commentary for every football game. I want low key blowjob jokes every week.

[Ashley Hess]

Jason Kelsey, in that moment was so happy he was retired because he would have thought of it if he was on the sidelines, but he wouldn't have been able to get it Out. He was like, this is the best part of retirement football.

[Raina Greenberg]

So, like low key, sexual. Just all these guys just like laying all over each other, just like tackling each other to the ground, touching each other's butts and stuff. Like, there should be more innuendos like this.

[Ashley Hess]

I know.

[Raina Greenberg]

Jason Kelsey for commissioner of the NFL.

[Ashley Hess]

We haven't talked about spitting in people's mouths in a while. I feel like that was a real Covid talking point. Like, I feel like we were always. Obviously we have a podcast where we're talking about sex. Like, I feel like spitting in mouths. I was doing crowd work and standup about it. Like, we haven't touched it in quite a while. So it was good to have a spit gate.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, I mean, it got really big for us when that guy spit in my mouth.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, you were patient zero.

[Raina Greenberg]

That guy who worked at a bar called Felons choked me and spit my mouth. That guy hated women. He fingered my butthole and never asked.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, he was from Tampa, so. Which brings us to the next part of the sports report, because it did happen in Florida, appropriately.

[Raina Greenberg]

Oh, it did?

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. So it was the Phillies played the Marlins in Miami the very next night after Spitgate. Home run, Karen Gate. So the Phillies center fielder Harrison Bader hit a home run. It goes up in the stands and a bunch of people try to get the ball. And this. I went to baseball games Sunday. Like, this always happens. There's a bunch of people around unless there's one clear person. And so this woman with like two different color hair, looking like a true Cruella, Karen tries to get the ball. This man kind of comes from the end of his row and he came in and he got the ball, and he brings it back to his son. And she goes up and she kind of accosts him.

[Raina Greenberg]

He looks like a real bitch.

[Ashley Hess]

He clenches up and he looks really frightened. And she, she did touch him. I mean, a stranger comes, you aren't expecting it. You're gonna react physically. But anyway, he did give her the ball. He was classy about it. He was like, I'm not gonna fight with this woman. He gives her the ball. They're on the cam. Like they're on the, you know, Coldplay kiss camp. No, they're on the jumbotron. So the whole stadium is seeing this. They're booing. And afterwards, the Marlins came and gave him a goody bag, the kid. And then after the game, Harrison Bader met with the family. They gave him a signed bat. Since then, this camper company has Come out. I think they gave him a free camper and tickets to the World Series. Oh, my God. Kid is totally made out. This is the best thing that ever happened in his life now. And everyone has come for her, obviously. I mean, we agree she seems like the worst, but, I mean, in her defense, she was just acting in accordance with Florida.

[Raina Greenberg]

I know.

[Ashley Hess]

Ruder than anyone else in Miami.

[Raina Greenberg]

Absolutely.

[Ashley Hess]

We love Miami, but rudest city in America, per the stats.

[Raina Greenberg]

I am gonna. I will say I do think it was her ball. So I. Reina, let me. Let me finish my thought. All right? Let me finish my thought. So, objectively, it did go to where her and her husband were. It went directly there. And that guy came from the other side of the row. However, I do think if a parent wants something for their child, it defaults to the child. That lady, I mean, maybe she's the biggest super fan that ever lived and that. She's the biggest fan of that. I mean, she flew Florida.

[Ashley Hess]

They're all fans. If you're there, for the most part.

[Raina Greenberg]

Optically watching where the ball landed, it was hers. And he came from the other end of the row to get that ball from her. It's weird to steal something from a kid.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. So she's in the wrong in how she reacted, and she should have known better. That's not how you act. But I had that thought, too. Like, is it appropriate to run all the way down your aisle? But, I mean, there was a clear pathway. It's not like he took people out on the way. But I see your point. But you never take it from a fucking kid. Like, she should have seen that kid and been like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Raina Greenberg]

So the US Open CEO, basically, there was a hat. He snatched it straight out of this kid's hand. It was crazy to see it. That guy had to fly to that kid's house and apologize to him. It was wild. That is so clearly unfair. But I don't know, it is debatable to me whose this was. And she also could have run down there after that guy, thinking he took it and then realized it was for a kid.

[Ashley Hess]

And I do think that is a more normal reaction. Like, she could have been. This is not in defense of her. I'm just playing out, like, kind of a normal human interaction of someone who. You may be a little bit of a hothead, a Philly person. Now they're in Florida. They're even amped up even more.

[Raina Greenberg]

They've been in Miami airport.

[Ashley Hess]

Everyone's on FaceTime in public. They're Like, I can be as rude as I want, so. And then, yes, you run down there and you're like, I'm going to fucking get into it. Very Philly. And then you're like, oh, no, there's a kid. I got to back off. Like, you don't take the ball then.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, it's really weird.

[Ashley Hess]

It's really crazy. And so everybody's dragging her. And, you know, KFC from Barstool did a great thing on this, which I respect. And it's like, there's never any reason to dox people to threaten their lives over something like this. Like, she's. The punishment's fitting the crime. This lady cannot show her face in public. She's been dragged all over the Internet.

[Raina Greenberg]

Can't show that haircut in public.

[Ashley Hess]

Right. She's got to get. She's got to go into witness protection, change her hair. Like, the punishment is fit the crime. Like, she can't show her face in her community. Like, let's not try to show up to her house and ruin her life. Like, save that energy for actual abusers. I don't know, ICE agents who were masked and out here, like, terrorizing the community, you know? So it's just. I hate that we take it too far. It's like, this is why we can't have nice, funny things, because people have to take it too far and start sending death threats.

[Raina Greenberg]

It reminds me of Scandival on Bravo and then every other show tried to have their, like, Scandival moment. And I feel like we're all chasing that high of the Coldplay CEO with, like, the US Open CEO and that guy. I think that guy's a dick. But do I think he had to, like, board a flight, fly to where that kid lives, and do all this? I don't know. People really went after that company pretty hard, and it affects the livelihood of the people in that company that work there, not just that person.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. I just think when these things go public, people behaving badly, that's the punishment. Let's enjoy it. Let's talk our shit and just know that they can't show their face at the Target for a while in their town.

[Raina Greenberg]

She's got to get a whole new haircut. And honestly, she made out because someone, something, had to make her dye that a different color.

[Ashley Hess]

This was all a long converter to change her hair. So I'm loving all the memes. My favorite one is the spirit Halloween costume. So it's so easy to do. Phillies, Jersey, wig, glasses. We saw a kids. We Went to. Sunday, we were in Denver. We went to a Rockies Padres game. We saw a kid probably, I don't know, seven, eight years old. He was really the only person the ball was going to because, you know, the players throw the ball after they get off the field. So so many balls were coming right to us. We were like, with these great seats. This kid caught it in his mitt. Perfect catch. I was like, that fucking kid in his third grade class on Monday.

[Raina Greenberg]

Fucking legend sent him to the mlb.

[Ashley Hess]

I just was like, that's how it should be. Had took his mitt out. I was like, that's. That was iconic. Literally. That kid is going to get so much pussy in.

[Raina Greenberg]

Someone'S parent is going to catfish him for years. It's not funny.

[Trevor Wallace]

It's fucked up.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then our last sports report happened at the Steelers game at MetLife Stadium. The Sears were playing the Jets. You guys, if you have not seen this, I invite you to please pull up our YouTube and watch the image of this. Google this. It's. It's hard to take in what this actually looked like. So at the beginning of the game, they're singing the national anthem. There is a 100 foot American flag covering the entire field. And they have people all around it like waving. There's hundreds of people on the flag. They're waving the flag. It covers the whole field. And there's a man, I don't know, maybe he lost control of the flag. He's crawling across the flag. He cannot get his bearings.

[Ashley Hess]

He looks so.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's so Pittsburgh.

[Ashley Hess]

I think it's so America. This man fighting for his life as he crawls across the symbol of the country in 2025. Like, this is all of us right now.

[Raina Greenberg]

He could have stood up, but he didn't. He's crawling the whole hundred feet across the. Across the.

[Ashley Hess]

So you think he got flipped up in J.

[Raina Greenberg]

Right?

[Ashley Hess]

Because we think that it's like some, you know, thin, flimsy flag. It's a massive, like hard thing he got.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like. They're saying no one knows who this man is. Like the Internet did not do its thing on this one. No one knows who this man is or how he got there. Like, we don't know how he got on the field. It's like there was hundreds of people on the field like waving that flag. So he just like accidentally fell on the flag?

[Ashley Hess]

No. Do people have conspiracy theories, like, is this an alien? It's unknown how someone accidentally come down, like he wasn't supposed to be there from outer space.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's unclear how he ended up on the field.

[Ashley Hess]

Nobody knows.

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

Okay, the VMAs were Sunday night. You and I watch award shows now. We live in la. We watch them every year.

[Ashley Hess]

LL Cool J hosted it. Nikki should have hosted. She shows everything.

[Raina Greenberg]

She was there.

[Ashley Hess]

She presented. She presented Tate McCray. But I feel like all the. There's a lot of young people in the audience. Like, they had all young people, like Gen Z looking. People in the pit were probably like, whose dad is this? Like LL Cool J. Like, it was a mixed bag.

[Raina Greenberg]

This was my main takeaway from the Vietnamese this year. There's a lot of young artists on the stage. This was the opposite. So this was a year of like some extreme nostalgia. You had Ricky Martin performing. He got the Latin Icon Award. He did some incredible throwbacks. You had Lady Gaga, who I wouldn't say is an old timer, but she hasn't been there in five years. You'd Busta Rhymes. He got the Rock, the Bells, Visionary Award, Post Malone and Jelly Roll. They're longtime artists. Jessica Simpson, who said she hadn't been there in many, many years. Steven Tyler, Mariah Carey, who got the video Vanguard Awards, LL Cool J hosted. Like, these are. They're old timers in the music industry. All these people.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes, I totally agree. But then they're on the flip side. There were people I didn't know. I'm going to. I'm going to age myself. There are a few. There was a presenter whoever performed at the very end. I didn't know him. I really enjoyed it.

[Raina Greenberg]

Alex Warren.

[Ashley Hess]

No, no, no. Can we stop Alex Warren? If I never fucking hear that song.

[Raina Greenberg]

I listen to Alex Warren a lot.

[Ashley Hess]

Of be Soon Enough right now.

[Raina Greenberg]

A lot of days.

[Ashley Hess]

The way they have shoved Ordinary down our throats for a year. I cannot hear that fucking song. But there was of course, Tate McCray and Sabrina Carpenter and then Cat's Eye won. Like there was both. It feels like they are trying to reach everyone. Like, of course you would not have reached A young demo with all of the old school performers and presenters. Nor would you have attracted your core MTV audience. Like our age millennials with all the new people. But I feel like they were trying to do the most, like, for me to see these people, like, Mariah Carey era that I grew up with, and then to see people I hadn't even heard of, like, they accomplished something.

[Raina Greenberg]

They really were playing to an older audience.

[Ashley Hess]

I, of course, I love it, but I just feel like people are like, who is this? But there was a few highlights. I loved Lady Gaga leaving early to go perform at Madison Square Garden. I just love that energy in general. Like, I have to head out. That's like, we would do that. I have an arena to headline. I'm just gonna start doing that. Leaving a party. I have somewhere bigger and better to be. This. This is just. I stopped in, but I have something more important to be at.

[Raina Greenberg]

It reminds me of that New Year is when, like, what you, Hannah, Remy, everybody, like, left to stand.

[Ashley Hess]

You were all at.

[Raina Greenberg]

You all, like, sets that night. You came over to my house for a party.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, yeah. We had to work first. Then we came to your house. Her performance was terrifying. And I would say, not safe for children. And I was triggered as someone who saw the Thriller video too young, and it scarred me for years.

[Raina Greenberg]

Reina, that performance, she's probably like, mission accomplished.

[Ashley Hess]

She's the fucking best. Like, if again, it's pure art. But it was scary.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, she'll come out covered in blood and meat. She's scared.

[Ashley Hess]

Sabrina Carpenter loved her performance.

[Raina Greenberg]

I love everything she does. I think she's great. I mean, I love Tate McRae. Like, I'm an Ochi. Tate McCray fan, what you found out last night. And I loved her performance. I thought it was so sexy. But the sand, I just kept thinking, like, if I was in the pit. Yeah, sand.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, your first thought wasn't sand all up in her pussy?

[Raina Greenberg]

I guess that was my first thought was sand in her pussy. I mean, I thought that that was a bold outfit in general to wear if you're going to do those type of moves. My pussy would have been hanging out on either side of that thing.

[Ashley Hess]

No, but, like, sand in the puss. She's like, the sand was not my smartest move.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, like, you're not in the.

[Ashley Hess]

Splash zone, you're in the sand zone. Like, if I got hit with a face full of sand, I totally agree with you.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, but that is an outfit that welcomes sand up the vagina, too. Like, there are Other outf outfits you worn, But I was like, damn. But what if you were in the pit getting hit? Okay, Would you rather. Would you rather be in a pit getting kicked, sand on you or. Or water.

[Ashley Hess]

Water. Sand in my face. I'm suing, I guess. Straight to jail.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's like, really uncomfortable.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, Is this. What is this? Burning Man?

[Raina Greenberg]

But, like, I paid a lot for this blowout.

[Ashley Hess]

I'm like, san's not gonna mess that up.

[Raina Greenberg]

I. I honestly, I can't decide, but I think I'm with you. Sans objectively, like, physically uncomfortable.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. Okay. Mariah, so just a legend. She really is. She's so unintentionally funny all the time, and she is a legend, and she is the voice of a generation. And she is not a dancer and she never has been. And she can get up on that stage and do whatever the fuck she wants, but she was the epitome of yes, girl, give us nothing. Right? I like this video. Like, and I. People, I saw a video this morning from chicks in the office, and they were saying the same thing, and people in the comments were like, how dare you? And it's like, she's a legend. Don't get it twisted. She's like the diva, the icon. She does not. I love this about her. I'm saying this as, like, I love that she stood up there and she was like, I'll perform. You will hear the songs. But this video I took, like, Reina, the walk is so slow. Wait till she starts walking. And the dancers are at a 12. The dancers are. They went too hard. Energy.

[Raina Greenberg]

It just. It really highlights that she's not even.

[Ashley Hess]

And here she comes, not even walking. That's not even a strut. I love it. It's just walking down the street.

[Raina Greenberg]

I walk quicker down the street with more. When I take my little five o' clock walk every day, I walk with more energy.

[Ashley Hess]

Not even a strut. And I fucking love that. She looked stunning. I mean, and I just have to say, like, that was apparently allegedly her first vma, and it was the video Vanguard Award. And she shaded it too a little bit. Like, what took you so long, mtv? Like, rain. I will not comprehend this. How can this be?

[Raina Greenberg]

So I. When she said that, I. I actually was like, that can't be true.

[Ashley Hess]

No. Like, I need proof.

[Raina Greenberg]

When did the VMA start in? I. I mean, was she. I mean, she had to be.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, they were all through the 90s.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, she had to still be at the peak of her career.

[Ashley Hess]

She was mtv. Yeah, I remember the Emotions video. Like, she, Mariah was the 90s. Like, how in the world. Like, I don't understand it. Then you have Sabrina Carpenter, who. She's just won her second Moon man. And as she should, rightfully so. But she's newer on the scene. She has two. Mariah Carey never won. What is happening? I mean, she truly couldn't believe it.

[Raina Greenberg]

She predates by a long time, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, who were like the stars of the VMAs in the early 2000s. She really. She predates them. I am really. I thought it was. I thought it was really like a real jump scare. I was like, nah, girl, you don't remember Zachary.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, VMAs. Yeah. I thought it was 80s. So the VMA started in 1984. I mean, so her whole career was during the VMAs. I mean, she was the voice. It was her and Whitney Houston.

[Raina Greenberg]

What?

[Ashley Hess]

How did this happen? How did, like, fantasy and honey and. I mean, fantasy is just cracking. Like, her Christmas album should have won a Grammy.

[Raina Greenberg]

Literally.

[Ashley Hess]

It should still win Grammys.

[Raina Greenberg]

We should actually give it to her now. She, Mariah Carey, is Christmas and she deserves an award for it.

[Ashley Hess]

And she is music and she is mtv. And I could not believe that. She is so fun to watch. She, like, she doesn't know. She's funny, she's hilarious.

[Raina Greenberg]

She's on the level of like, Martha Stewart. To me, she's saying whatever.

[Ashley Hess]

She Energy.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yes.

[Ashley Hess]

That's the same person in there.

[Raina Greenberg]

They. You just. You hit an age and a diva level where you're just like, I will say whatever I want.

[Ashley Hess]

I hate that she's Nick Cannon's ex.

[Raina Greenberg]

I honestly, the whole time you were talking, I was like, when can I.

[Ashley Hess]

Bring up that canon?

[Raina Greenberg]

No, you forget because she seems so far removed from this man who, like, impregnated half of Los Angeles. Like, you're just like, that can't be Mariah Carey.

[Ashley Hess]

I know we didn't even talk about this, but she had an interview recently where they told her Katy Perry went to space. Did you see this? No, you didn't see this? And she said, oh, Katie did. Oh, she went to space. What'd she do up there? Did she literally. Someone. Mariah did you know Katy Berry went to space? She was like, oh, that's so cute. For what? And then they said, would you ever go to space? She said, I've done enough.

[Raina Greenberg]

Did I see this?

[Ashley Hess]

It was so good.

[Raina Greenberg]

I've done enough. That is so iconic.

[Ashley Hess]

I just. I really love her music and I always will.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'M gonna use that forever for the rest. Every time somebody asks me, like, have you done that? I've done enough.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, exactly.

[Raina Greenberg]

I don't have to. I've done enough. That's not true. Ashley and I have tons of plans, but.

[Ashley Hess]

So that was pretty much the VMAs. I mean, you know, I did, like, a lot of the nostalgia. Some of these new people on the scene. I didn't. I did. Nothing really blew me away. But you and I are of the era of the. The true shock value. Like, you'll never see another Madonna, Christina Aguilera, Britney moment or Miley Cyrus's Robin Thicke performance. So that was so provocative. Like, I don't know. I don't think we're gonna see any of that anymore.

[Raina Greenberg]

That we have a high bar stuff that shocks you.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, I feel like the vmas used to be about that. Like, that's when people would really show out. They couldn't do that stuff at the Grammys. So I feel like if you even Google, like, wildest VMA moments, like, it will blow you away. And some of the stuff is, like, inappropriate now.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah. It hasn't aged well, but, like, we.

[Ashley Hess]

Come from an era of just like.

[Raina Greenberg]

Oh, this is a cute little show. Yeah. Let them.

[Ashley Hess]

No surprises.

[Raina Greenberg]

Let them cook.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then, you know, stay tuned for the Emmys. They're on Sunday night. They're 9:14. Sunday night. The Primetime Emmys. I don't know who's hosting it. I should have looked it up. I didn't. You guys figured it out.

[Ashley Hess]

Is it not Nikki? I know.

[Raina Greenberg]

I was like, why isn't it Nikki?

[Ashley Hess]

Let's see who's hosting, though.

[Raina Greenberg]

Every show that is out, we're like, why didn't Nikki host it?

[Ashley Hess]

She's the perfect host.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, she's a.

[Ashley Hess]

Obviously her is a comedian, but she's the age you want. Like, she transcends the different generations. Like, whatever.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, she's hosting again next year for, you know, I always be forgetting.

[Ashley Hess]

You are going to be surprised.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm so excited.

[Ashley Hess]

Do you want to guess? Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

Is it a man or woman?

[Ashley Hess]

Man.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay. Are they an actor?

[Ashley Hess]

No.

[Raina Greenberg]

Are they in comedy?

[Ashley Hess]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay. It's a man in comedy. Is he 30 to 40? You're not sure he's 40 plus.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

Has he hosted before?

[Ashley Hess]

No, I don't think he's ever hosted anything before.

[Raina Greenberg]

40 plus. Never. God, I want it to be Chris de Stefano, but they would never let him. Top.

[Ashley Hess]

Top comedian.

[Raina Greenberg]

Really famous.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Above for Bill Burr.

[Ashley Hess]

No.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay. Has never hosted any of these things before. It's not Ricky Gervais, obviously.

[Ashley Hess]

It's just. It's unexpected. I'm one of the top five comedians right now.

[Raina Greenberg]

Can you give me one more clue?

[Ashley Hess]

No, that's white or black. He's white.

[Raina Greenberg]

A white guy. Top.

[Ashley Hess]

Top.

[Raina Greenberg]

We talk about him as a Seinfeld.

[Ashley Hess]

He sells stadiums.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like Nate Bargazi.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes. Does he even know a song? Does he know music? Okay, he might know Jelly Roll. Does Nate Vargaski. He doesn't strike me as someone who listens to music.

[Raina Greenberg]

No. The Primetime Emmys. It's not the Grammys. It's like, what is she getting at?

[Ashley Hess]

Sorry. I was on the VMAs. Okay. So he might watch a little TV. So real disconnect there.

[Raina Greenberg]

I was like, what is she getting?

[Ashley Hess]

Sorry. It makes a little more sense now. Okay, here's what I think. My bargazi hosting the Grammys would be unhinged.

[Raina Greenberg]

If you told me that, I would be like, no, sorry.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes. I need to twist it up in my head. Yes. I can see him as the CMA's.

[Raina Greenberg]

He. So he is the number one selling comedian in the. In the world, I think. But in terms of ticket sales, by Ticketmaster last year, number one. I mean, by hundreds. Like 100 million or something like that. So. And he is a clean comic. So I think they know that, like, what they're gonna get with him.

[Ashley Hess]

He'll be great. He will be great. You know, speaking of Philly today, he performed in Philly recently. He. My Corey and Ham went to go see him, and they adopted a dog in Philly and named it Philly. Wait, Nate did? Yeah. Oh, that's not so adorable. Yeah, Just add him to the Philly update today. But that's so interesting. Great.

[Raina Greenberg]

He is one of my favorite comedians ever. I think he's phenomenal, but I did not see that coming.

[Ashley Hess]

I'm still feeling a little hot from conflating the Emmys and the Grammys.

[Raina Greenberg]

I was like, what is she doing?

[Ashley Hess]

Because it was just like, music. You got it. Okay. All right. Should we move on to unknown number? Oh, my God, Ashley.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm so excited. I'm foaming at the mouth to talk about this. Okay. This is a documentary on Netflix. It is about a high school.

[Ashley Hess]

They call it High School Catfish. Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

And it's this high school couple that is getting cyberbullied, essentially by this phone number that keeps texting both of them. It seems to really know a lot about them both. And it is an unknown number, and so it's a 90 minute documentary. It's a quick watch about who this is. And I will tell you, obviously there's spoilers ahead.

[Ashley Hess]

I have never seen spoilers ahead. You guys, if you really want to be so surprised and you have not seen this on the Internet and you are interested at all, stop listening.

[Raina Greenberg]

I will say I have never seen spoilers like this for a show in the history of time. People were so amped to just talk about their thoughts and feelings that like, they were just like, I got to make a video right now. Like, I have not seen, like, I've been like teasing like we were liars for like so long. I'm not going to say, say what happened.

[Ashley Hess]

I know, but you know what's interesting is that I think people feel like they can share a spoiler of a real news story.

[Raina Greenberg]

It was a national news story, you.

[Ashley Hess]

Know, like you could google what happened. Not that you would have never heard of this. It happened in a small town in Michigan. But I think people are like, treat it differently than the, I don't know, the end of a movie.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, totally. You're totally right. It was a national, a nationally televised news story.

[Ashley Hess]

But the documentary itself is fine. But I had heard going in. I didn't know who the harasser was. I didn't know how it ended. I had heard like, you'll never believe it. I could have never believed it. I had to see it through. Like the documentary. I don't know if I want to call it mid. It wasn't.

[Raina Greenberg]

I liked it.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, Yeah, I guess I've liked it enough. But I wasn't so enthralled. But I had to see it through. And of course, like you said, it's only like 90 minutes. So should we just say, I mean, if you guys, if you've seen it, you're listening. And the person cyberbullying this young middle school age, early high school and her boyfriend. And honestly, the whole community, it really stretched out like it tore this community apart. People were being falsely accused. The FBI got involved.

[Raina Greenberg]

Poor kids were accused.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes. Like the. Again, the school got involved and it wasn't enough. So the FBI got involved and the person who was doing it was the girl's mom.

[Raina Greenberg]

I like chills. Watching it through the lens of knowing that it was the mom was honestly even a crazier experience for me because.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, yes, you knew.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yes, I knew. Cause everybody, I mean, I was like, I know who this is. Watching it through the lens of that and watching all of her interactions. Cause she gives interviews in the beginning as Though she can't believe this was happening. And when she's caught, she does say, I didn't start this, which is a blatant lie. She's a really sick individual, really, really mentally ill. But she says, I didn't start this. So I guess in the interviews, she is interviewing as though it had nothing to do with her in the beginning.

[Ashley Hess]

Which is just irrelevant. Yes, she did. It's very clear that no one else did. She just wanted to give herself an out to be like, I'm not as fucked up as she says. Like, she tried to get involved because she was trying to figure out who was doing it. And then she got carried away. But I mean, if you guys have seen it, of course, like, these texts are sexual. She essentially tells her daughter to kill herself. I mean, it's really dark on so many levels. And I was thinking to myself, like, this would be more understandable if this mom was bullying other kids. You would be like, she's mentally ill. But this is like, you're a monster. Like, that's the difference between somebody who's just, like, really fucked up and someone who was like, feels so dangerous, like, to do this to your own child.

[Raina Greenberg]

So, I mean, that is the definition of Munchausen by proxy. So Munchausen by proxy is that somebody is either forcing, usually a child or some kind of dependent to act sick or making them sick, and so that you are the dependent that they're coming to. And it's fascinating in the end of the, the documentary, when the daughter finds out that it was her mother and it's her mother comforting her and putting her arm around her, and you can't even hold her hand. I mean, I've never felt so physically uncomfortable watching something because the police are in their house telling the daughter it is your mom, and the mom is the one comforting her. And you do see the dynamic, because this girl was so terribly bullied for about a year and a half, and that was her main protector and safe space was this person.

[Ashley Hess]

Right? And it's like, she probably, obviously is still. Well, she's traumatized for life, and she feels really broken. Like, the way she speaks is like a real victim. Like, early on, I was like, yes, of course. This could just be like, a really shy girl who, you know, is uncomfortable maybe talking on camera. And you realize as it goes on, I mean, she's been really traumatized. And then towards the end, you're like, she's just broken. I mean, I, I, she's, she's now closer to her dad, which Is great. I mean, they do show her having a deeper relationship with the dad. The dad is just like, fuck you, you crazy lady. And he's obviously done with her. But the daughter is not. They keep in touch while the mom goes to prison for about a year and a half, I think. And the mom is out and they're trying to figure their relationship out. And the daughter has just graduated high school like this past May, so we don't really know what the future holds for her. But I mean, you were saying, like, why did this mom participate in this? What the fuck?

[Raina Greenberg]

So I looked and she said, basically, I mean, this is a. This is watching. This is one of the deeply craziest people I've ever seen in my life. I mean, this is somebody who should probably be in prison for the rest of their lives or in a mental institution.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

But she said that she felt like this documentary was going forward no matter what. So she did want to be a part of it to like tell her story.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, yes, you can see that she thinks she is going to convince you like that she's not a bad person. She is a real gaslighter and a manipulator. And they even say that, like the way that she acts in court and she's like this victim. And she's had trauma in her childhood too, which of course you don't want to minimize anybody's abuse that they've experienced and you know, hurt people. Hurt people. And people who are abused turn into abusers. Not all the time, of course. So you see how she is trying to. She went into the documentary being like, I'll get him back. No you won't, sis.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, this is just a deeply sick person that has no connection to reality. But can I tell you which scene? Like I was like, what are you doing? So the police come to the house and they basically get her to confess. They tell the daughter, they call the ex husband to come there, basically pick up the daughter and then they just leave. The police leave and they leave this man who has just found out that his ex wife has been traumatizing their daughter alone in a home with the two of them. And like crazier things have happened than somebody very violently assaulting a co parent for what they have done to a child. Yeah, the police were like, see you later.

[Ashley Hess]

He even says that. He says, like, I forget what exactly how it goes down, but he kind of alludes to being like, I don't wanna do anything crazy right now.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Ashley Hess]

Cause I'm so angry. But I wanted to show you Trevor Wallace's video. He parodied the mom.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay, before you show this to me, I have to tell you, I spent at least 60 of these 90 minutes. So she has a pretty prominent, like, buck tooth. And her top lip starts at the top of the teeth.

[Ashley Hess]

What top lip?

[Raina Greenberg]

And I spent the whole documentary trying to make my face do that. Wait, the.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, you gotta watch this. Okay, Raina. So I've said, Raina, don't watch this. I don't want you to spoil it. And so we'll put a snippet of this in the screen. But it's. I mean, Trevor's videos just get better and better. This is like a masterpiece. This is the most name that I've ever done. Diabolical masterpiece. His Paris vlog.

[Raina Greenberg]

He does stuff that is like five minutes. And you're like, how is this still going?

[Ashley Hess]

Why? It's like, it's too long, but not long enough. I don't know. Okay.

[Trevor Wallace]

All the moms and I were just.

[Ashley Hess]

Wondering who could be texting.

[Trevor Wallace]

Hi, daughter, you ugly ass. Only thing flatter than that ass is that jump shot.

[Ashley Hess]

You're gonna think I'm crazy.

[Trevor Wallace]

I mean, yeah, Owen put his fingers in my suck hole. He will get DUIs all the time. But if you don't get caught, you don't get a dui. But I got a DUI that. Do you understand, like, what I'm saying?

[Raina Greenberg]

Are you drunk right now?

[Trevor Wallace]

Yes. Heaven's calling you. Picking up. I just got it. Addicted to texting my daughter like I was in an Xbox Live chat room. Oh, and more like moaning cuz he want me.

[Raina Greenberg]

You sent 17,000 horrific text messages to your daughter.

[Trevor Wallace]

I only sent 16,998 of them. The first two, I don't know.

[Ashley Hess]

The guys are the real monsters.

[Raina Greenberg]

Wait, wait, hold on.

[Ashley Hess]

Did you just text me? No. This is you.

[Trevor Wallace]

No, that's AI.

[Raina Greenberg]

That's.

[Trevor Wallace]

That is you. I got a dui. That's AI. Where's Owen?

[Ashley Hess]

So we. Yeah, we didn't mention that, like, essentially, she seemed to have a crush on her daughter's boyfriend.

[Raina Greenberg]

It was all about getting them to break up. Yes.

[Ashley Hess]

But it really escalated from there because they did break up. And she kept going. Kendra kept going.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, he found another girlfriend in a new state. And she found that girl and that girl's mom and went after them. This poor boy. I just. I'm obviously this poor girl, but, like.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, well, he's legal now, Reina. So you showed me his picture and you said he was hot, so you Are Kendra now you're gonna be sending those texts and I need to keep an eye on you. This is how we run the business into the ground. Reina starts texting. Reina's the unknown number. If I come in and you're like, oh, I was nothing. I wasn't doing anything. You put your phone away.

[Raina Greenberg]

Listen, as a former catfish victim, okay, one time I got catfished. I just hurt people. Hurt people.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, my gosh. All right, well, so that is unknown number on Netflix. It's a wild watch. So you guys check it out. Let's just talk about our remaining partners, and then we will wrap it up with some headlines for you guys.

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

And just understanding your body, understanding what's going on in your body, what you might be prone to. I mean like body, your. Your. Your thyroid, your immune system, your cholesterol, your metabolism, like all these different things. Like you were saying, it's your goal to really go to the doctor and see what's going on in your body. Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Ashley Hess]

Okay, so we just have some headlines for you and then we will send you on your way. Luigi Mangione update. He starred in a Sheen ad.

[Raina Greenberg]

So if you were scrolling Sheen and you saw Luigi in a shirt which has sold out now multiple times, that shirt went crazy.

[Ashley Hess]

I couldn't process this. Like, a bunch of people sent it to me and I kept trying to get the whole story and there is no story. Like, essentially they just use this image. Shein has still has apologized. And they were like, we got this from a third party vendor and everybody's debating whether or not it's AI. Obviously, he didn't sit and model for Shein from prison. You know, he's not a former model, he's a former assassin.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, we've been needing a little bit of Luigi in our lives, and I don't care who gives it to me. But fashion brands have been doing this for many, many years. I mean, since the beginning of predating, like current AI tools, I was always able to mock up stuff that we sell on models.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, okay. And those not famous people.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, but like, it is. I mean, I can choose from like 10 or 12 models when I upload it. And I guess that website could have provided whoever.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, I am very confused. Like, she and Sheen, Sheehan, whatever their Chinese brand. Does China know Luigi? Like, did someone at Sheen or this third party send this image over? And they were like, they're never gonna know. They're never gonna know. And then it's like, we're gonna know.

[Raina Greenberg]

That's. But like, it's a major crime in the U.S. like, did China know about this? Probably not.

[Ashley Hess]

Did someone slip this in? And they were like, yes, China won't know. Like, I've gotta know how. How this went.

[Raina Greenberg]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Ashley Hess]

They're blaming someone. Like, is there just like an internal at Shein that was like, watch this probably. Or this makes this website.

[Raina Greenberg]

Or it came from the top and they're like, we're gonna get so much attention from this.

[Ashley Hess]

Who cares? Well, right. So, like, what is the punishment, if any, here? I mean, there's. I feel like we're losing the battle to AI. So, like, if this was intentional, brilliant. It got all this attention. It sold the shirt. You know, everybody's talking about it, and then they're like, oh, whoopsie.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, it depends on how much money you have to fight somebody legally. Nobody can use your name and likeness.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

So, like, you and I cannot be on a website. Anybody could take our bodies in our faces. I don't know why you want to.

[Ashley Hess]

But, like, what's he gonna do? He's in jail, right?

[Raina Greenberg]

What is he gonna do? But I bet you, like, he has a lot of financial backers that do stuff pro bono for him.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, there is a fan club that is selling merch, and the money is supposed to go towards his legal fees. I don't know if he's involved in it, but I think there is actually official Luigi merch, and the money is supposed to go model for that to his case. Okay, but I'm like, who's to say that those people are legit? I mean, do they know him? Are they family member? I don't know.

[Raina Greenberg]

Fans?

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, just fans. The fan club.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, this came down, unfortunately.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, well, that's your Luigi update.

[Raina Greenberg]

What if he became, like, the revolve girl for Sheen? No, like, he's one knows her name.

[Ashley Hess]

She. And you can use it. You just gotta pay me.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, she has the same. There's a couple Revolve girls, but the.

[Ashley Hess]

Main revolve girl, which I don't know if she's a real person, but someone said they saw her once. No, she.

[Raina Greenberg]

No one's ever. She doesn't go to events. I learned her name once and I.

[Ashley Hess]

Forgot such a celebrity.

[Raina Greenberg]

What if we got her on the podcast?

[Ashley Hess]

I don't even know what I would do if I saw. I feel like she doesn't speak. Like, I just think she. She's a mannequin.

[Raina Greenberg]

To me, it is a jump scare when you hear some models speak. You're like, you're not supposed to be doing that. I didn't know you could do that so good. She. There are a couple revolvers, but the main one. I would love to just see her in the wild, but she's not AI Generated, but, like, she could be.

[Ashley Hess]

She looks AI Generated, but she predates AI generation. I mean, she's been the revolve girl since I've been shopping, since I had enough money. To shop on Revolve. So for the last 10 years. Okay, so next is Trump's birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone knows they were buddies. He was always there. And this birthday card has been in the news. And they finally got a hold of the birthday book. So this. This birthday book that a bunch of other rapists gave to Jeffrey Epstein, I guess Donald Trump was in it, and we knew the copy on it. It's like this little skit he mapped out or something. It's very confusing, but it starts with saying, like, narrator. And then it's like a script between him and Jeffrey Epstein saying, we have so much in common, or something like that. Which feels a little high level for him.

[Raina Greenberg]

I can't believe he was that creative to come up with this and that. It is the outline of a cadaver.

[Ashley Hess]

It's like a woman's body. It's supposed to be with no arms. A little bit of, like, a lewd drawing.

[Raina Greenberg]

And at the bottom, Donald Trump scribbled his signature. I thought it was. I actually. I swear to God, I didn't know it was a signature. I thought it was a woman's bush. Like, is that supposed to look like someone's bush?

[Ashley Hess]

Like the little titties?

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, doesn't look like a vagina.

[Ashley Hess]

But of course he's like, I don't draw pictures. His stupid kids are like, he doesn't draw. And it's like, yes, of course he draws pictures.

[Raina Greenberg]

That's a smoking gun. Donald Trump does.

[Ashley Hess]

Eric Trump is like, my dad doesn't draw. He's a literal child. He does draw. Like, I know for certain. Like, I feel like this is like a toddler who colors all over the white walls with a crayon and is like, I didn't do that. I would never do that. I can't even hold a crayon. And it's like, the crayon is in your hands.

[Raina Greenberg]

Also. This conversation makes no sense. And he's like, that's lit. Send it.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

This is just a bunch of, like, innuendos about them having sex with young women, by the way. That's what this is. And he put it in a birthday book. He's like, let's immortalize this forever.

[Ashley Hess]

The wilder thing is this narrative that was spun last week that Trump was an FBI informant. Do you not see this?

[Raina Greenberg]

What?

[Ashley Hess]

You did not see this?

[Raina Greenberg]

I take Epstein down.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Caroline Levitt wrote that.

[Ashley Hess]

I think. I think Mike Johnson, like, co signed this. They've. They've walked it back a little bit, but. Right. I swear to God, Like, Mago was believing this. Like, that Trump was this hero in a cape that was at. At the parties with the underage girls as an FBI informant. And people believe this. And I like to tread lightly with calling people stupid. But you're stupid if you believe it. If you believe that he was an FBI informant and was at these parties because he was trying to, what, like, get Epstein from the inside.

[Raina Greenberg]

Ashley, this is so crazy. This reminds me when I was 15 years old and my boyfriend came over and he brought a bunch of liquor, and I probably drank a whole bunch of it. I put it in my underwear drawer like.

[Ashley Hess]

Like an idiot.

[Raina Greenberg]

And my mom did my laundry and opened up my drawer, and she was like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, a bunch of kids were drinking. And I took it. Yes, I took it. Cause I didn't want them to drink. And my mom bought that story.

[Ashley Hess]

Not to call her stupid, but stupid. Can you believe this? You are stupid. And you are in a cult.

[Raina Greenberg]

It is so idiotic. My mom let me sell her that story that I just, like, didn't want other kids to be drinking, and that's why there was a handle of liquor in my drawer.

[Ashley Hess]

Cause she wanted to believe you were a good a kid. Which is understandable from a mom to a daughter, but not here for adults.

[Raina Greenberg]

That are supporting the President of the United States. Also, I wasn't the president.

[Ashley Hess]

Also, he wasn't in the FBI. Like, you know what's so funny is they use the word FBI. They didn't say he was a secret agent. They said FBI. Can't the FBI be like, he's not on the roster. No. Donald Trump, he's not an FBI agent.

[Raina Greenberg]

Now the Department of War is going to, like, crush the FBI. They're like, you better. Better not say it.

[Ashley Hess]

Like, he was just a scammer that was at the parties with the girls.

[Raina Greenberg]

Doing the same stuff.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes, doing the same stuff. But anyway, he's just.

[Raina Greenberg]

He immortalized it on this weird cadaver with a bush signature at the bottom.

[Ashley Hess]

The cadaver.

[Raina Greenberg]

It looks like a cadaver. There's no arms. All right, she doesn't have arms.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, let's lighten it up with who? What? What hot people are dating? What other hot people?

[Raina Greenberg]

It is an avalanche of hot people dating hot people this week. And they're just like. They're just like. Like, fuck it. I don't care. I'm gonna go on dates, enjoy myself, and I love to see it. So Olivia Jade double dipped right now. Leave some for the rest of us.

[Ashley Hess]

Aunt Becky's daughter, if you guys.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yes. Olivia Jade Giancooli, I think is her last name. She was on a date with Glen Powell and then was also spotted at her ex, Jacob Elordi's premiere last night. So people are speculating that they're still. I mean, this girl leaves no crumbs.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. If you were stringing along. Both Glen Powell and Jacob Elordi got that too.

[Raina Greenberg]

She got that Meghan Markle pussy.

[Ashley Hess]

She's gotta leave.

[Raina Greenberg]

She's got that leave the Royal Family pussy.

[Ashley Hess]

Aunt Becky's like. She got that. Like, she got it like that. That's how Aunt Becky got Uncle Jesse with that good pause.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then Austin Butler was actually parading around with Joey Kravitz a lot. But then they were actually just. They were in a movie together, so. And then they split off. And they have been also just dating up a storm. Her and Harry Styles have been all over New York. Yes. So Kravitz. Lots of. Three different dates. They're kind of cute together.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, my God. Don't. I can't I ship this more? Zoe Kravitz. Taste is impeccable. So Channing Tatum, obviously, that was my favorite celeb couple of all time. But who did we talk about that she dated? Someone else that was, like, more Reina's type. Like, we went through her dating history.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's incredible. She. She's, like, the number one.

[Ashley Hess]

And now Harry Styles. I'm obsessed with this. I guess he lent her his blue jacket. He has this, like, beloved blue jacket that people recognize. She's wearing it also.

[Raina Greenberg]

I didn't realize how tiny she is. And he's kind of tall. He's six feet. He's tall for. He saw. For a person in Entertainment. He's 6ft tall and she's 5 2. They're so cute together.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, my gosh. Can't get enough.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then finally, Austin Butler spun off from her, and he has been on a date with Emily Ratajkowski. And they're, like, parading around together, too. All of these just, like, obscenely hot people. It's crazy. Hot people are dating hot people.

[Ashley Hess]

I remember the person that she, like, allegedly dated. It was Drake. Who? Zoe Kravitz. We talked about this before. Chani Tatum, Chris Pine, Penn Badgley. These are people she's dated or have been rumored to date. But I just. I love her taste. And. Yeah, I mean, you were saying, like, leave some for the rest of us. It's just. But, you know, hot people are gonna do that.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Ashley Hess]

And then I think one of the most beautiful women alive is Kaia Gerber. But. And she is dating someone who. I don't really know who he is, and he's not that hot, but that's fine.

[Raina Greenberg]

She broke up with Austin Butler. She's had enough high.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, she was dating him too. I can't keep up.

[Raina Greenberg]

That was. That's her ex. That's who she was with for years.

[Ashley Hess]

A real web.

[Raina Greenberg]

That's what I'm saying. People are just, like, jumping around each other. She's dating an actor. That's like. Like a B list. Like, mildly known.

[Ashley Hess]

I always.

[Raina Greenberg]

And they went. Kravitz. They went public this week also.

[Ashley Hess]

Zoe Kravitz is 36 and Harry Styles is 31. Oh, okay. He's. He's. He's grown up. I always think of him as young. I think of, like, One Direction. I think of the idea of you.

[Raina Greenberg]

I know that book.

[Ashley Hess]

The book, yeah. And the movie also. That was, like, loosely based on him, but I think of him as young and he's. Look at him, 31. I like that little age gap between them.

[Raina Greenberg]

I rewatched don't worry Darling on a Plane the other day.

[Ashley Hess]

I've never seen it. I need to watch it.

[Raina Greenberg]

People didn't like it that much. I loved it.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. Anyways. Okay, guys. Well, that's your snack. We hope you enjoyed it. You can find [e-mail] Girls Gotta Eat. Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess. Raina is Raina Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend and we will see you Monday.

[Raina Greenberg]

Stay tuned for a big announcement on Monday.

[Ashley Hess]

Get ready.

[Raina Greenberg]

Have a great weekend, guys.

[Ashley Hess]

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