S2 Ep14: Sali Hughes and Caroline Hirons Answer Your Questions

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Episode Summary: Glad We Had This Chat with Caroline Hirons
Episode: S2 Ep14: Sally Hughes and Caroline Hirons Answer Your Questions
Release Date: December 18, 2024

In this engaging episode of "Glad We Had This Chat," skincare guru Caroline Hirons teams up with beauty expert Sally Hughes to address a variety of listener-submitted questions. The duo delves deep into topics ranging from makeup routines for mature skin to industry trends, providing insightful advice and sharing their expert opinions.

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1. Makeup for Mature Skin

Question: Anne from Bournemouth asks about overhauling her makeup routine as she approaches her 50s.

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes emphasizes the importance of using products that add light to the face to enhance a natural glow. She advises against matte finishes, suggesting instead a light-reflecting base to avoid a lifeless appearance.

  • “Don't wear a matte base. It will just suck the life force out of your face. A light reflecting base is good.” (03:42)

• Caroline Hirons concurs, highlighting that excessive makeup can exacerbate the appearance of wrinkles.

  • “You don't have to cake it. You're not going to hide wrinkles as they are lines with more product.” (04:17)

• They both agree on the importance of well-groomed brows, likening them to "coat hangers for the face."

  • “Get your brows in good shape because your brows make such a difference.” (04:47)

2. Proper Application of Powder

Question: Caroline struggles with applying powder without it appearing cakey and creasing.

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes recommends using a finely milled powder to prevent caking and suggests applying it sparingly around the nose, forehead, and chin rather than across the cheeks.

  • “Look for a very fine powder... I just put it on the nose, forehead, chin.” (05:01)

• She advises using a large, fluffy brush to ensure a light application, avoiding heavy coverage that can lead to a flat appearance.

  • “I put it on with a big fluffy brush. The smaller your brush, the heavier your coverage is going to be.” (05:55)

3. Preparing Skin for a Wedding

Question: A listener preparing for her wedding seeks advice on enhancing her skin's appearance.

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes suggests considering IPL treatments for pigmentation issues due to their effectiveness and lack of downtime.

  • “I would suggest IPL because IPL has no downtime. IPL is really great at getting rid of pigmentation issues.” (06:28)

• She emphasizes the importance of hydration leading up to the wedding, recommending humectants to achieve plump and smooth skin.

  • “In the immediate run-up, just flood your skin with humectants.” (07:09)

• Caroline Hirons adds that introducing new skincare products, especially retinoids, should be avoided close to the wedding date to prevent unexpected reactions.

  • “Don't be doing that. I'm 55... look forward to feeling bright and awake.” (07:44)

4. Skincare Routine Advice for Mature Skin

Question: A 55-year-old listener seeks guidance on simplifying her skincare routine for hydration and glow without focusing on wrinkles.

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes recommends incorporating Vitamin C and gentle acids like lactic acid to enhance brightness and glow.

  • “I would make sure you're using a Vitamin C and then add in an acid here and there.” (08:24)

• She advises prioritizing sun protection and hydration, noting that adequate hydration allows light to reflect off the skin, creating a natural glow.

  • “Hydration gives you glow in a different way.” (09:25)

• Caroline Hirons highlights the importance of not overwhelming the skin with multiple serums, suggesting a focused approach based on individual skin responses.

  • “Don't go out and buy five different ones just because you now think you're a chemist.” (09:36)

5. Industry Trends and Ingredients

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes observes a significant positive shift in the adoption of sunscreen, noting that only in the past two years has it become widely embraced.

  • “I really think only in the past two years has it really, really cut through.” (10:34)

• She criticizes the trend of "clean beauty" and the excessive use of actives, arguing that stronger does not equate to better and expressing concern over the resultant skin damage.

  • “Turning actives up to 11 is another thing that I've been unhappy with.” (11:10)

• Sally celebrates the resurgence of natural, luminous skin aesthetics over matte finishes, a trend she has long advocated for.

  • “I've been happy to see people embracing some shine in their skin. It's the best.” (11:46)

6. Concerns About Chemicals in Skincare

Question: Jody is overwhelmed by opinions about chemicals in skincare and seeks clarity on safety.

Discussion:

• Sally Hughes reassures listeners about the stringent regulations governing beauty products in Europe, emphasizing that common ingredients used are safe.

  • “There is nothing that is used commonly in beauty products here that I am currently worried about.” (15:08)

• She explains the difference between allergies, intolerances, and temporary reactions, advising that individual sensitivities do not indicate widespread harm.

  • “An allergy is not the same as an intolerance, is not the same as a temporary irritation or reaction.” (15:08)

• Caroline Hirons adds that environmental concerns often arise from the overproduction of "clean" and "green" products, highlighting the complexities of the beauty industry.

  • “A lot of the environmental concerns come from over farming.” (16:28)

7. Fun Quick Questions: Favorites and Preferences

Discussion:

• Favorite Luxury Makeup Brand:

  • Sally Hughes: "Westman Atelier." (17:03)
  • Caroline Hirons: Expresses love for the brand's glow and pigmentation without irritation. (17:09)

• Favorite Drugstore Makeup Brand:

  • Sally Hughes: "Elf and Nyx." (17:38)

• Favorite Drugstore Skincare:

  • Sally Hughes: "Neutrogena, Olay, Bioma." (17:58)

• Preferred Makeup Style:

  • Bold Lips:

    • Sally Hughes: "Bold lip." (19:11)
    • Caroline Hirons: Agrees on the preference for bold lips over subdued looks.

  • Brow Gel vs. Brow Pencil:

    • Sally Hughes: Prefers "brow gel." (19:23)

• AM vs. PM Skincare Routine:

  • Sally Hughes: Prefers "AM routine" for a fresh look throughout the day. (19:33)

• Favorite Department Store:

  • Sally Hughes: "Selfridges, John Lewis, Liberty." (20:50)

• Favorite Sandwich:

  • Sally Hughes:
    • Hot Sandwich: "Chewy brown with Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, chili flakes, and mustard, toasted." (22:08)
    • Cold Sandwich: "French crusty baguette with Swiss cheese, cucumber, tomato, onion, lettuce, mayo, and English mustard." (22:22)
  • Caroline Hirons: Playfully debates mustard preferences, highlighting their differing tastes. (22:46)

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8. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with Caroline Hirons announcing her upcoming live tour, promising an evening filled with honesty, skincare demos, and entertaining discussions. She invites listeners to secure their spots for an unforgettable experience.

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Notable Quotes:

• “Don't wear a matte base. It will just suck the life force out of your face." – Sally Hughes (03:42)
• “Stronger does not mean better.” – Sally Hughes (11:26)
• “There is nothing that is used commonly in beauty products here that I am currently worried about.” – Sally Hughes (15:08)
• “I love sauerkraut. Love it.” – Sally Hughes (21:37)

This episode offers a wealth of practical advice for skincare enthusiasts, especially those navigating changes in their skin with age. Caroline and Sally's candid conversation provides clarity amidst the overwhelming beauty landscape, making it a must-listen for anyone seeking informed skincare guidance.

Transcript

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[Sally Hughes]

Yeah.

[Caroline Hirons]

They're a mixed bag. It's everything from makeup to life advice. So let's go in. Anne from Bournemouth, I'm approaching my 50s and need to overhaul my makeup routine. What should you consider when putting makeup on mature skin?

[Sally Hughes]

So I am also my next birthday is 50 and there are various things that change over the years. I do think that if you can bring some light to your face as you get older that is flattering. So some light reflecting. Don't wear a matte base. It will just suck the life force out of your face. A light reflecting base is good. A satiny lipstick, they're really coming back. Satin lipsticks, just anything that brings some kind of light onto the face is very, very flattering. And I do think that as we get older a little bit less makeup looks nicer.

[Caroline Hirons]

Really does. You don't have to cake it. You're not going to hide wrinkles as they are lines with more product.

[Sally Hughes]

No. And, and I think most women as they get older, I think it's a myth that the worst that the thing we all hate about our skin is wrinkles. I actually think most women miss the glow.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah.

[Sally Hughes]

And I think you go sallow. Yeah. And I think if you can bring some light onto your face generally through makeup products, you will feel better and just a little bit less of everything. I think.

[Caroline Hirons]

I agree.

[Sally Hughes]

And get your brows, get your brows in good shape because your brows make such a difference.

[Caroline Hirons]

Coat hangers for the face.

[Sally Hughes]

Yep.

[Caroline Hirons]

How do I apply powder? I always mess it up and my face ends up looking Cakey and creasing. Please help.

[Sally Hughes]

That sounds like maybe you're putting on a lot. I would look for a very fine powder. So a powder that has been milled to the point where the particles are tiny because then they won't cake. So a really fine powder, for example, might be hourglass. That's very fine. The by Terry One's really fine skin finish Natural by Mac. Something that's very, very light and fine is great and you don't have to put it everywhere. So I am never without powder. But I don't put it on my cheeks because I want the light on my cheeks. So just nose down the sides, down the front of your nose, down the sides of your nose, forehead, chin. That is generally enough to keep you looking unshiny but not flat.

[Caroline Hirons]

No one wants to look flat.

[Sally Hughes]

And I just put it on. I put it on with a brush. I put it on with a big fluffy brush. The smaller your brush, the heavier your coverage is going to be.

[Caroline Hirons]

I need your advice. I'm getting married this January and I want my skin to look the best for the big day. I currently. Oh, here we go. Double cleanse tone. Use an eye cream, serum, face spray, moisturizer and SPF every day. Me, it's a lot after teenage early adult spots, I'm left with dark spot, dark marks on my face. Would a chemical face peel help with this? This is one question. I've never had one before. Can you give me any advice on how to make my skin look great on the big day? I'm coming up to 37 and I want my makeup to look the best it can.

[Sally Hughes]

Okay. So I don't know how far out of the wedding we are.

[Caroline Hirons]

January.

[Sally Hughes]

Oh, okay. I would personally not start doing anything majorly different in the run up to a wedding. However, if you wanted a treatment rather than appeal, I would suggest IPL because IPL has no downtime. IPL is really great at getting rid of pigmentation issues, albeit temporarily until the sun comes back out. But great for a wedding. I had it ahead of my wedding, but no downtime. Your skin will look great. You'll be able to go out as soon as you walk out of the office, out of the doctor's office. So that's a good thing to do. And then in the immediate run up hydration, I would just drown your skin.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah.

[Sally Hughes]

The night before my wedding, I had a facial and I didn't want any actives, I didn't want any extractions. Do all that stuff well in advance. In the run up to Your wedding, in the immediate run up, just flood your skin with humectants.

[Caroline Hirons]

Where did you have a facial the night before you went to work?

[Sally Hughes]

Somebody came to my house as a wedding present and did all my girlfriends and me. Yeah. And just loads and loads of humectants because that'll just give you the kind of plump, juicy smoothness. Your makeup will go on.

[Caroline Hirons]

Night goes on so much nicer. You won't get cakey, you won't, your makeup won't go patchy.

[Sally Hughes]

But don't be, don't be bringing in like new retinoids or whatever for. I mean, I would stop trying anything new two months out.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah, don't be doing that. I'm 55, live in Australia and have always generally looked after my skin, but recently found myself totally confused with what serums I really do need for my, my face and what order to use them. There seem to be so many options out there in the market. Surely I don't need them all. Here we go. I know I do want hydration, glowing skin and to feel bright and awake. But not so worried about trying to miraculously remove fine lines and wrinkles, did we, we didn't even set this up.

[Sally Hughes]

No.

[Caroline Hirons]

Because, hey, I've lived your life. Would love your advice, I promise.

[Sally Hughes]

I've never seen those.

[Caroline Hirons]

No, no, we've never. I don't see the questions. That's incredible. She's literally just confirmed everything you just said. Well done.

[Sally Hughes]

I mean, it depends what your skin responds to, doesn't it? My skin responds to vitamin C. It just does.

[Caroline Hirons]

You love a vitamin C. I love.

[Sally Hughes]

A vitamin C. It responds, it responds well to antioxidants generally. And if you want some brightness and some glow, I would just make sure you're using a vitamin C and then add in an acid here and there. You. I mean, again, it depends with acids, my face tends to love lactic. Some people get on great with glycolic. Typically though, when you use an acid, you do need a dot of glycolic in there to give glow generally a little bit. I wouldn't want a primarily glycolic acid, but a dot of glycolic can work wonders in amongst some nicer acids. So yeah, if you want that for glow, but I mean, yeah, loads and loads of sun protection, lots of hydration. I think hydration gives you glow in a different way. In a different way.

[Caroline Hirons]

And if you're 55, if you're lungs, you're using things that say peptide or ceramide, going to get something in a treatment Serum. But I would say don't go out and buy five different ones just because you, you now think you're a chemist.

[Sally Hughes]

And I also don't think. It's not like she has any major problems. I don't think you need a very strong vitamin C. If you stayed around kind of, you know, 10%, 8%, I think that would be fine. The thing about hydration, it doesn't give you glow like a light reflector makeup word or like a vitamin C word, but it may. It gives you a surface that allows light to bounce off your face and all three. And there's reason why you have to pick. And in terms of the order you put things on, again, it depends on your skin. But I would typically always put the most active ingredient next to my skin. If your skin can take it, I would put the most active thing next to my skin so it can get to work.

[Caroline Hirons]

So thank you, Karen, for setting up that question so awesomely after Sally had already answered it. In the question before, in your years of being in the industry, what are some trends or ingredients or new tech? Obviously a zip that have come out that you are happy to see consumers using eggs, red light therapy, led, I think they mean.

[Sally Hughes]

I. I don't think people realize how recently people have started using sunscreen. I really think only in the past two years has it really, really cut through.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah, people had time to listen during lockdown really, as well.

[Sally Hughes]

I think that's true. I think that's true. And I really felt like I was pushing against a locked door for a long, long, long time. Whereas now I hear people all the time saying, so I use an SPF 50 daily. And I'm like, wow, okay, so something's changed. So that has been for so many reasons.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah.

[Sally Hughes]

The biggest win I think we've had in beauty. There've been things I've been less keen on. Clean beauty, obviously. Turning actives up to 11 is another thing that I've been unhappy with. I've seen so much damaged skin in recent years that I never used to see.

[Caroline Hirons]

Stronger doesn't mean better.

[Sally Hughes]

Stronger does not mean better. There is a clutch biting point with everything, and it isn't necessarily at the highest level. What else have I been actually happy to see? SPF for sure. I've been. Oh, I know what I've been really happy to see. I've been happy to see people embracing some shine in their skin.

[Caroline Hirons]

Isn't it the best?

[Sally Hughes]

It's the best. So this whole kind of glassy, this glassy skin movement that's what I've always wanted. At least since I was 25.

[Caroline Hirons]

I've always. I've never done Matt.

[Sally Hughes]

I've. I did it when I was a teenager, but as an adult, I've always wanted juicy, alive looking skin. And the trend was never for that until relatively recently.

[Caroline Hirons]

I was the goth with a tan.

[Sally Hughes]

Yeah. I was never tanned or a goth.

[Caroline Hirons]

I was the goth with a tan. Dyed black hair, crimped hair, but I'd still have a tan. I was like, I can't do pale. Oh my God.

[Sally Hughes]

I think juiciness is new.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah.

[Sally Hughes]

And it's always been my very welcome. It's always been my preferred aesthetic. And thicker brows. Lovely.

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, thank God. No, the matte look with the thin brow. The 90s was not my bag. When I watched that Vogue documentary, I spent a lot of it going, oh, thank God I didn't do that.

[Sally Hughes]

Yeah, what I would love to see the end of in my career is sunbeds.

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, we can go. We can go deep on that.

[Sally Hughes]

I would love to see the end of beds thing.

[Caroline Hirons]

I mean, we just have to.

[Sally Hughes]

Yeah.

[Caroline Hirons]

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[Caroline Hirons]

Right, we've got two left. And then we do a fun quick answer that. I'm feeling overwhelmed by opinion. You're gonna love this one. I'm feeling overwhelmed by opinions about chemicals in skincare products and their potential to cause harm. How much should we be worrying about the chemicals we are putting on our skin? And what ingredients should I steer clear of? Jody. Jody, you don't have to worry about anything, love. We take care of that for you. We do all the testing. But Sally Hughes.

[Sally Hughes]

Oh, I mean, this is such a complicated question. Essentially, the facts as they are are that the EU and we still follow EU regulations and policy. The Europe, let's say Europe, to be on the safe side, has the most stringent regulations. The clean beauty industry was born out of the American system that has so many ingredients that are freely used that we don't use here. Right. So that's the first thing to bear in mind. We have the safest beauty products in the world. The second thing to think about is that everyone's skin is different. An allergy is not the same as an intolerance, is not the same as a temporary irritation or reaction. Those things are not the same. So because one day your skin might be irritated by an ingredient, that's a good argument for not using it, at least for a while. But that doesn't mean it's harmful because everybody else might be totally fine. And it doesn't mean you'll be not good to use it forever. There are so many different. There are so many variables. But in summary, there is nothing that is used commonly in beauty products here that I am currently worried about. That's all I will say. There are environmental concerns, but that's another. That's another thing. But there's nothing that I think you can go into Boots now and buy that I think is going to harm me.

[Caroline Hirons]

And a lot of the environmental concerns come from over farming that they do to make clean and green and organic product. Which is ironic in itself.

[Sally Hughes]

Yes, correct. It's a very, very complicated business. And also I think people need to accept that being a consumer of any goods comes with compromise. And nothing is perfect. And certainly nothing is perfect for every consumer.

[Caroline Hirons]

Marvelous. Just some fun, lightweight things now. Okay, I'm going to throw them left of field. So, first off, what is your favorite luxury makeup brand? And your favorite drugstore brand?

[Sally Hughes]

My favorite luxury makeup brand. Oh, my God. So hard. I love Westman Atelier.

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, so good.

[Sally Hughes]

I think Westminster.

[Caroline Hirons]

I'm annoyed at how much I love that brand.

[Sally Hughes]

It's a beautiful. It's a beautiful, beautiful.

[Caroline Hirons]

I would say it's not for you. If you love a really full coverage. That's the only thing I haven't seen them do. Or matte. But if you want glow. Glow.

[Sally Hughes]

Ease, Very colors.

[Caroline Hirons]

Quick speed. Pigment, but not too much pigment and zero irritation. Done.

[Sally Hughes]

I think it's a very beautiful brand.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah.

[Sally Hughes]

Westman Atelier. But it's up there, right, cost wise?

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Sally Hughes]

And if you want to spend less, but also have very beautiful formulas that are easing quick. I think say is very good. I think say is a really lovely brand. Drugstore makeup brand. I love Elf. It's a great brand. I use quite a lot of Elf. And it's very hard to argue with Nyx. Nyx is a fantastic brand.

[Caroline Hirons]

Drugstore skincare.

[Sally Hughes]

Drugstore Skincare I really like. What do I like? Some bits from Olay that I like. Bits from Bioma that I like. I've obviously got my own brand. God, this quite. Do you know what? You can look after your skin really well. Oh, for sure.

[Caroline Hirons]

Okay, so if you go into an American drugstore, what's the first aisle you go to?

[Sally Hughes]

I would go to Neutrogena.

[Caroline Hirons]

There you go.

[Sally Hughes]

I love Neutrogena Skincare. I. I love it. I think it's really good. They annoy me as a brand.

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, yeah. But every brand annoys us in one way or another.

[Sally Hughes]

But the. But the product is good.

[Caroline Hirons]

Okay. Superficial fun. You're ready to just switch off and be that person that the Garden Guardian reader thinks that is just vacuous and has no opinion other than beauty.

[Sally Hughes]

Nothing wrong with the Guardian readers. It's. It's, you know, Proud dad at Fulton.

[Caroline Hirons]

I didn't mean that. I just met a mal reader who we've both experienced that attitude from.

[Sally Hughes]

It's proud dad with the Oakley sunglasses on is the problem.

[Caroline Hirons]

Proud dad with the Oakley sunglasses. Love that. Boots are superdrug.

[Sally Hughes]

I'm going to say superdrug because they've been a partner for beauty banks and that's the thing that matters most. But as a consumer, both. Yeah.

[Caroline Hirons]

Bold eye or bold lip?

[Sally Hughes]

Bald lip. Bold lip. Absolutely bold lip.

[Caroline Hirons]

I'm not even going to ask you dewy or matt skin. I'm just going to assume that they've.

[Sally Hughes]

Got that braced me like a turkey.

[Caroline Hirons]

Butter me up Brow gel or brow pencil?

[Sally Hughes]

Brow gel. I'm not really much of one for a pencil. There are some exceptions. New glossier one's very good.

[Caroline Hirons]

Fantastic brows. AM Routine or PM Routine?

[Sally Hughes]

That's a good question, isn't it? I would say am, because even if I didn't have time to put makeup on, if I'd done my skincare, my skin would look pretty good in the morning. Nice to dry. Otherwise.

[Caroline Hirons]

Space and chaos.

[Sally Hughes]

Sephora space.

[Caroline Hirons]

Lipstick or lip gloss? I knew you were gonna do that.

[Sally Hughes]

Obviously. Lipstick, obviously.

[Caroline Hirons]

Because I'm a grown woman, we always have this conversation. Whereas I have, like, lip gloss hidden on the side.

[Sally Hughes]

No lipstick. Oh, come on. Put me up where the big girls are.

[Caroline Hirons]

Yeah. Heels or trainers?

[Sally Hughes]

I hardly ever wear heels anymore. I'd stopped doing Covid. I've still got a few pairs that I wear for special occasions.

[Caroline Hirons]

We wore them both. Wore them for a special occasion. And then I took them off in the lift as soon as we got back to the hotel.

[Sally Hughes]

I mean, remember, I was always in heels, wasn't I?

[Caroline Hirons]

Always. Always, always.

[Sally Hughes]

I. I don't. I mean, it's very rare.

[Caroline Hirons]

Now. You're all in Stan Smith.

[Sally Hughes]

Yes. Certain. A certain work event or a wedding maybe, but for the most part, I'm in flats. I feel more youthful in flats.

[Caroline Hirons]

Bags or shoes?

[Sally Hughes]

Bags. I'm a bag person.

[Caroline Hirons]

Bags, yeah. Night in or night out?

[Sally Hughes]

In.

[Caroline Hirons]

I knew you were gonna say that, too.

[Sally Hughes]

Absolutely in.

[Caroline Hirons]

And I know what this one's gonna be, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. Favorite department store?

[Sally Hughes]

Selfridges.

[Caroline Hirons]

I knew you're gonna say that.

[Sally Hughes]

But I love John Lewis as well. And I love Liberty as well.

[Caroline Hirons]

Just bog standard. You can't go wrong.

[Sally Hughes]

If you need a lemon squeezer or a white towel, I'm going John Lewis. But if I want to get something to wear or a mooch around the beauty hall, or an experience or a glass of champagne. Selfridges.

[Caroline Hirons]

And if you want to go. Oh, the Christmas department.

[Sally Hughes]

Liberty.

[Caroline Hirons]

Liberty.

[Sally Hughes]

Yeah.

[Caroline Hirons]

Okay. My final question is the most important. And this caused uproars earlier. We were. Everyone was shouting. Okay, It's a very serious question. I want you to give it your utmost thoughts.

[Sally Hughes]

Okay.

[Caroline Hirons]

Favorite sandwich? Favorite sandwich. I'm gonna need the bread. I'm gonna need the condiments and the filling.

[Sally Hughes]

Right? I'm obsessed with sandwiches. They're like.

[Caroline Hirons]

Everyone's obsessed with sandwiches. And the people who say they're not are fucking liars.

[Sally Hughes]

They're like a religion.

[Caroline Hirons]

Is this not the conversation we have had?

[Sally Hughes]

Oh, my God. I love Sandwiches.

[Caroline Hirons]

Fucking love a sandwich.

[Sally Hughes]

I'd rather a sandwich than basically they're.

[Caroline Hirons]

Like, going, please calm down. I can't. You don't understand.

[Sally Hughes]

I'd rather a sandwich than basically anything did.

[Caroline Hirons]

How have you ever seen me as happy as when you approached in the airport yesterday?

[Sally Hughes]

I mean, you literally didn't stop talking about it for about 15 minutes. I. Okay, okay, okay.

[Caroline Hirons]

Oh, come on.

[Sally Hughes]

Can I have a hot one and a cold?

[Caroline Hirons]

You can have whatever you want.

[Sally Hughes]

Okay.

[Caroline Hirons]

As long as it's a sandwich.

[Sally Hughes]

Okay. So my hot one is. I want chewy brown with Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, chili flakes, and mustard, toasted.

[Caroline Hirons]

Sally's vegetarian.

[Sally Hughes]

I'm vegetarian. This is relevant to the answer, obviously. So that's what I would have as my hot sandwich. As my cold sandwich. I would like a French crusty baguette with Swiss cheese, cucumber, tomato, onion, lettuce, mayo and mustard.

[Caroline Hirons]

What? Mustard?

[Sally Hughes]

English.

[Caroline Hirons]

English mustard. You're a beast.

[Sally Hughes]

Yeah, I'm a Coleman's girl.

[Caroline Hirons]

I only do American mustard. I'm a wimp.

[Sally Hughes]

I mean, that's not even mustard.

[Caroline Hirons]

I know.

[Sally Hughes]

It's like yellow ketchup.

[Caroline Hirons]

I like, like the Ms. Mustard. Mayo, where they add some French or English mustard to a mayo.

[Sally Hughes]

I like French mustard. I love English mustard. But I would only ever have an American mustard on, like, a burger.

[Caroline Hirons]

Or a hot dog.

[Sally Hughes]

Or a hot dog. But then I don't eat hot dogs. Yeah.

[Caroline Hirons]

Sally Hughes. I feel now like our friendship has been cemented. Our long friendship has now been cemented.

[Sally Hughes]

I mean, were there any surprises in there? I don't feel like there were.

[Caroline Hirons]

I mean, sauerkraut was a surprise.

[Sally Hughes]

I love sauerkraut. Love it.

[Caroline Hirons]

Love it. But now that we all know your favorite sandwich, thank you very much.

[Sally Hughes]

Thank you for having me.

[Caroline Hirons]

And that's a wrap for this week. Thanks for listening. I'm back on Monday with a new guest, so make sure you tune in. Until then, I'm glad we had this chat. New episodes are available every Monday and Wednesday. Follow us, subscribe now on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Glad we had this chat is produced by Wall to Wall.