S2 Ep22: Takes New York with Katie Jane Hughes

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Glad We Had This Chat Takes New York: Katie Jane Hughes"

Introduction

In Season 2, Episode 22 of Glad We Had This Chat, hosted by Caroline Hirons, the podcast takes a vibrant detour to New York City to engage with the talented celebrity makeup artist, Katie Jane Hughes. This episode, released on January 22, 2025, delves deep into Katie's illustrious career, her journey from Liverpool to New York, and her insights into beauty and skincare.

Guest Introduction: Katie Jane Hughes

Katie Jane Hughes is celebrated for her exceptional makeup artistry, having worked with high-profile clients like Dua Lipa, Ashley Graham, and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. As the founder of the KJH brand, Katie has carved a niche for herself in the beauty industry, blending her Scouse roots with her creative prowess to deliver stunning looks.

Career Journey: From Space NK to Glastonbury

Katie reminisces about her early days working on the shop floor at Space NK on Westbourne Grove, where she first crossed paths with Caroline Hirons around 2000-2010. Reflecting on her transition, Katie shares:

"I moved to New York in 2013 with a contract from Butter London, transitioning from doing nails to full-fledged makeup artistry." [03:53]

Her break came post-2016 after her contract ended, allowing her to authentically showcase her work on Instagram. This pivotal change led to collaborations with brands like Glossier, where Katie played a significant role in the conception of their Play line.

Collaborations with Celebrities

Katie's relationship with Rosie Huntington-Whiteley stands out as a testament to her skill and professionalism. She fondly recalls:

"Rosie slid into my DMs asking to collaborate, which was a game-changer. Working with her on Rose Inc. was surreal." [05:43]

Her collaborations don't end there; Katie also highlights her work with Ashley Graham and other A-list celebrities, emphasizing the blend of artistry and personal connection in her projects.

Personal Life: Moving to New York and Family Ties

Katie shares personal anecdotes about her move to New York at 23, driven by a desire to explore and establish herself independently. Meeting her husband, Tariq, an American-Egyptian with a passion for football and Liverpool FC, further enriched her journey. Their 16-year relationship is filled with memorable moments, including navigating family dynamics and enjoying life in their New Jersey home.

Skincare Secrets: Minimalist Yet Effective Routines

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around skincare routines. Katie appreciates simple yet effective methods, often emphasizing hydration over complex regimens. She praises Caroline's cleansing gel:

"I've almost finished your gel cleanser. It's one of the most amazing cleansers I've ever used." [18:49]

Katie advocates for balancing skincare with makeup needs, suggesting:

"For foundation longevity, focus on skincare rather than relying solely on primers." [23:13]

Her favorite skincare products include the Bodhi Butter from her Rhode brand, Ren Ready Steady Glow Toner, and NARS Soft Matte Complete Concealer, which she considers essential for both personal and professional kits.

Makeup Techniques: Precision and Personal Preference

Katie discusses her makeup philosophy, highlighting the importance of treating each facial area as distinct zones for optimal application. She prefers using small, precise brushes and minimal products to achieve a flawless look without heaviness. Her go-to makeup products include:

• Lipstick: Stila Bossa Liquid Matte and NARS Power Matte
• Eyebrow Pencil: Glossier Boy Brow Arch in Cool Brown
• Mascara: Tower 28 Make Waves Mascara and Chanel Le Volume

Notably, Katie shares a unique tip for foundation application:

"When trying a new foundation, apply it on a bare face without any skincare or primers to identify where adjustments are needed." [22:52]

Quick Fire Round

In a light-hearted segment, Caroline and Katie engage in a rapid-fire Q&A, touching upon personal preferences and quirky habits. Highlights include:

• Favorite Store: Sephora over Ulta
• Bold Choice: Bold lips over bold eyes
• Preference: Lipstick over lip gloss or pencils
• Shopping Style: Prefers shopping in-store
• Pets: Cats over dogs for their independence and humor
• Travel Preference: City breaks for exploration and culinary delights
• Favorite Burger in New York: Jeans Lafayette's renowned burger
• Nando’s Order: Half chicken with French fries and coleslaw in lemon herb

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with heartfelt thanks and best wishes as Katie navigates her fertility journey. The camaraderie between Caroline and Katie shines through, leaving listeners with valuable insights into the beauty industry and a glimpse into Katie's vibrant personal life.

Notable Quotes:

• Katie on Authenticity post-Instagram Break:

  "Instagram was like, there, ready and waiting for me because I just was this unleashed tiger." [04:43]

• Katie on Beauty Beginnings:

  "My mum always had red lipstick and bronzer; it was always glam." [11:31]

• Katie on Skincare Over Load:

  "If I don't do it, I think if you get to 55 and you don't know how to do your hair and makeup, there's something wrong." [13:17]

• Katie on Makeup Application:

  "Treat each area of the face like its own little zone." [50:04]

This episode not only celebrates Katie Jane Hughes' journey and expertise but also offers listeners a blend of professional advice and personal storytelling, making it a must-listen for beauty enthusiasts.

Transcript

[Caroline Hirons]

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[Katie Jane Hughes]

Welcome back to Glad we had this chat and welcome to our season two special. Glad we had this Chat Takes New York. I mean I can't go all the way to the Big Apple and not hit up my friends old and new, can I? So grab a brew, pull up a chair or put your headphones on and go for a run. However you listen to your podcasts, stay tuned to find out who we meet up with stateside and what they have to say. Today we have my mate, fellow Brit and more importantly fellow Scouser Katie Jane Hughes. She's a celebrity makeup artist who's painted the faces of Dua, Lipa, Ashley Graham and many, many others. She founded the brilliant KJH brand and most importantly of all, she's obviously a Liverpool fan. We sit down to talk about makeup, humble beginnings, working with celebs and everything else in between. I hope you enjoy. Glad we had this chat in New York. Now if anyone needed any proof that we are Scousers, I would just like to point out that I'm in a Wings T shirt and you are in.

A ta da Vintage Liverpool FC Candy T shirt.

Top of the league.

The vintage tops are here and we are supposed to be styling them with our everyday wardrobe, but not just to a match day.

How are you mate?

I'm great. I'm so happy to be here.

So we've known each other for how long?

Oh my God. Since I worked on the shop floor at Westbourne Grove Space NK which was when 2000, probably 2010.

So I would have been looking after you were David Kirsch Hampton's son Anthony for Men Sunday Riley.

I think maybe mainly it might have been Raviv.

I never did review.

I know now I think Kate Somerville.

Maybe them for like three weeks. But anyway I remember multiple brands you looked after multiple. I looked after multiple brands for a while.

Oh, my God. Yeah. You used to come in and train us.

And I still get messages now on Insta from people going, hi, Caroline, great to see you doing so well. You trained me in so and so 15 years ago, and I've never forgotten it. And I'm like, wow.

I just remember we'd hang out on the shop floor and then Eva would come in and be like, ava, not Eva. She couldn't be like, mom can have some money. I want to go to the shop down the road.

Yeah. When she was like nine or ten. Literally, like, bizarre. And then I remember seeing you at the Edward Best launch and you came up to me and you said, the.

One in that, like, random little random hotel.

Everything about that launch was random chic. You came over and you were like, hi, Caroline. Do you remember? And I was like, oh, God, the Scouser from Space nk. Now cut to that. You then end up in New York and huge on social media. There's a little bit to discuss in between there. How did all of that happen? How did you go off the shop floor and then to doing faces? Now, the faces, I know you've done that. I've seen them post your face. So. And I know you're in one of those positions where you can't talk about, then I won't put. But you've done, like, I mean, Ashley Graham, Rosie Huntington Whiteley, do a lipper. So all those kind of faces. So how do you go from Space nk Westbourne Grove to Glastonbury?

Instagram.

Really? Yeah, just Instagram. But you did. How. How long did you start?

I mean, spacing K was like, what, 2009 to 2012.

Yeah.

Moved to New York, 2013.

Why?

Had a contract with a beauty brand called Butter London? Because I used to do nails.

Got it.

And so that was my, like, little segue in. Moved to New York, got fired from my job at Butter London in 2016. Instagram was like, there, ready and waiting for me because I just was this unleashed tiger that had this contract with a brand that was, like, exclusive. And as soon as that contract, you know, ended, I was just like, right, now I can talk about every single brand that I've always wanted to talk about. And, you know, that's. Contracts don't really look like that anymore, thankfully, because it's not really authentic. But it was like everything changed because I was able to just be my most authentic self. And I would post close ups of an eye and then a full photo of the face. And then a close up of an eye and a full photo of the face. And I think. I think what really started it off was two things. Two, a person and a brand. Glossier reached out to me in my DMs. They were like, we want to work with you on.

I remember that vividly. I was like, get that Glossier gig.

It was great. It was really cool. It was a person called Annie Craybaum, who was the pioneer behind my relationship with them. And I went in once and had a chat with Emily and, and Annie and a few other people that were there at the time. And this whole conception of this brand called Play under Glossier was. I was very, very involved with that. Like, I went in, there was a mood board on the wall with like 90% pictures of my work from Instagram. And I was like, holy crap, what's happening?

It was amazing, that moment where you go. I was like, okay, this changes things.

It was really exciting. And then, you know, that the Play section of that brand sort of didn't really. I don't. I think maybe it was a little too early to the market for the. For the brand, perhaps. But the products were really amazing and I think that they're starting to reintroduce, you know, different things now, which is really cool that we're part popular items from the launch. And then another thing was the celebrity slide into my DMs was Rosie. One time she DM me. I was actually in Florida on the craziest family vacation of my life, where all of us went to Florida, which is just mad because you just. Family dynamics in Florida. Scousers and everybody wanting to do different stuff.

Scousers in Florida is a different level.

Yeah, it's mad. And then she slid into my DMs and was like, hey, I love your work. I love if you're in New York, next time I'm in New York or if you're in la, I'd love to work with you. And that was it. And she, you know, really pioneered my. She really helped me, you know, showcase my work on my celebrity clients as opposed to just myself. And then when she launched Rose Inc. The digital website, you know, I was really sort of. I did the whole makeup for her for that, and it was all in looks that I'd done on myself, just reimagined on her. It was amazing. Rosie.

Hunter Whiteley is offensively attractive.

She's ridiculous. And she's also such a fun.

And she's a lovely person.

She's such a lovely person. She's such a good laugh. And she's just one of my favorite people in the world.

I went to when she either did a new launch, it wasn't the brand, it was a launch affiliated with the brand. And I was invited to have, like, breakfast tea with her. Not even like breakfast. Like brunchy tea.

Yeah.

But not food at Claridge's. Yeah, there was me. Holly was there from our office because she loves Rosie Hunting and White. I said, come with me, they won't mind. And then Rosie's PR and through the whole thing, she was eating biscuits and she kept saying, can I have some mint tea? And I'm like, she's pregnant. I came out and I was like, she's pregnant. No one eats biscuits like that, that time of day. Especially not a model.

Oh, my God.

And then about six weeks later, she showed her bump and I was like, smile. Bought them everywhere.

Such a good mom. Those babies are so beautiful. But, yeah, she's awesome. I love her so much.

She's just like.

She's just. And she's a. She's. She's like one of. She's. She's one of the lads. Do you know what I mean? She's like, like, if you're like sitting and hanging out and shooting the. She's just like. She's just like, oh, yeah. What are you doing? Like, she's not like. She's just great. I love her so much. She's real.

How did you end up staying in New York? Did it just become your home? And when did you meet the fella?

Oh, so I met Tarek in London in 2008. Like a month after I moved. No, in 2007. Like a month after I moved to London.

Oh, wow.

Is that one. Like, I always knew that I wanted.

He went to New York with you?

Yeah.

I don't know why I thought you met him here.

So he. Because he's American. He's half American, half Egyptian. Raised in America. Sorry. Raised in Cairo. Born in the US. Moved back to the US for 20. At 25 for college.

Right.

But is very much more. Is very much more European of a soul. Because he's a big football fan. Like, loves football. Cos. Liverpool.

Okay, fine. Just making sure.

I mean, he did support Fulham for a hot minute because we live close to the pit. We live close to the grounds and the season tickets were really available and affordable.

So our family is Fulham and Chelsea in the.

Yeah. And so that was what we. That. That was when we were in London and then we moved to New York. And then he was like, I think I'm going to sp. Start spot in Liverpool. And I think it was at the time that Mo probably joined the team. Perhaps maybe there was, maybe there was a, you know, oh, there's an Egyptian.

Player, there's an Egyptian on the team.

But no, it's fun. The game days in our house are fun and loud.

I can imagine.

Very loud.

I'm coming around top of the league. I mean, do you know what I mean? If people don't really get the term Scouse because you have a big US audience too, so I'm sure they'll get it. But it basically means we were born in or around Liverpool.

Yeah, but if we say we're scouts.

To Scousers, no, I don't get a dirty look because I was born in. In Liverpool. Which part like physically hospital. Which is now. Yeah, physically, which is now Aintree Hospital.

So I was not Liverpool Women's.

No, no, that's different. And. And was. I literally was brought up.

Oh my God.

Like Liverpool. Like my nan's in height and oh my God, you know, like I'm Scouse.

Yeah, you are.

I'm not. You're a Woolly back.

I'm a wool.

Sorry.

But my dad's a Scouser and my whole. My dad's side of the family are all Scousers.

No, you're a Scouser.

I mean, I mean I am in. In my core of my being and.

It'S weird because I left the accent I left up north when I was 17.

Oh wow.

But I am still a Scouser.

Hang on a minute. Did you ever scare sex accent until you were 17 years old?

No. So my. So I was born in Liverpool. Yeah, talk like that. Until I was like four. Then we moved to Mississippi. What do you know this? My mum's American. Then we moved to Mississippi.

I think your mom was American.

Yeah, Then we. I was there until I was like 10. Did you remember? So when we moved back I talked like that yet? No. And then we moved to Liverpool for about six months and then we moved to Warrington, which is where my mum was until she passed away. So then I talked like Coronation Street. So everyone talk like that and sit. Then I moved to what? Then I moved to London when I was 17 and then I. Since then I've spoken like this. But I think if you've got an ear, like you've got such an American twang that you probably don't think you have and Americans don't think you have. But I can Hear it. You know, most Americans think I'm Australian.

Yeah, I get Australian most. The worst thing I get here is I'll be in a shop and I'll hear a Brit and I'll go, oh, where are you from? And they go, london. And I go, yeah, me too. I'm asking you, what part of the country? But they clearly have no idea that I'm English. And I'm like, oh, God, the shame I feel for, like, not being authentic to myself anymore. But, like, people on TikTok love to rip me a new one for my accent. They're like, where are you from? Your accent is so weird.

I'm like, okay, right, okay, first, north of Kentucky. Sit down.

I was born in the north. I was born in the north, moved to London, married an Egyptian, have to speak quite slow to his family because he cannot understand a word of my. We talk so fast, very fast. And now I live in America and I just don't know I'm doing it. So. Sorry, everyone. But it's really funny though, because I notice it most when actually I'm in England and everybody goes, your accent has gone really Lancashire and broad. And you say her and Claire and I are.

Oh, yeah, I did, I did the pod with Divinia Taylor a few weeks ago and she's just like that. There's nothing, nothing else to it. It's just like that.

I love it.

It's great. That is it.

I love it.

I mean, she's proper. Get off the train at Preston, like, she's just proper. She's proper like that. And it. Which I love because, you know, you can imagine her sitting around a board of middle aged white men in London and they're all suitable. She rocks up in a neon day glow like I generally do, and she's just. All right, all right, love it.

Go on then, let's get to it.

So, Beauty, what are your earliest memories of Beauty?

My mum's microphone, because she was a singer and it would have red lipstick smeared into the top because of how close she would hold her mic to her mouth. And I would always. I remember smelling it when I was a kid and being like, I like the smell of lipstick. And it was just always red because she always had this very specific look. She does a red lip, loads of bronzer, red lips. Calorie 3000 mascara. What hell of a name of mascara is that? I don't understand.

Why was it called Calorie, called that in these days? Would it.

Why is it called that? I don't understand. Like, she Was like Pan Stick Queen and then it became Maybelline Dream Matt Mousse rip. And she would use, like a shade that was a bit darker than her complexion to like, almost bronze as well as do coverage. But she's got beautiful skin, my mom, so she doesn't really need foundation.

She really doesn't.

She's got gorgeous skin but shred lips. She was just like. And like long nails. Like, once her fingernail actually went into.

You don't think that's a northern thing? My mum wouldn't go to the post box without a lip and always had a perfect red nail.

Yeah.

Never a different. Never differed from a different color, nothing.

No. She was either French or red or like something glam. She's very glamorous.

Always glam. I feel like we let the side down. Our generation's like. Yeah. And then I think, like, Ava's picked up the baton again because Ava will do full glam.

I love it.

Full glam hair so much. Like, everything changes your mood.

Like this week I'm in, like, IVF mode because I'm starting my fifth round of egg retrieval this week and I'm just like. I felt like. I felt so shitty this morning going to the doctor and being probed and stabbed with a needle. And then this morning I came and sat down and I was like, let me just do a makeup on. Let me put on my Liverpool top. And then I was like, I felt better for putting a little slap on my face.

I know. I feel like I complain about it, but if I complain about the routine of it, the routine of doing my face, I'm not someone who loves it, so I complain about doing it.

Your job, though.

Thanks. But if I don't do it, I think if you get to 55 and you don't know how to do your hair and makeup, there's something wrong. Yeah.

You need, you know, to.

Well, I think I do my hair better than the hairdressers do my hair. Yeah, I think I'm just at that point.

Yeah. That's a really good spot to be in. Yeah, actually.

And it's cheaper.

There's nothing more for sure. Yeah.

I'm not Divinia Taylor with the bloody hydrochloride, you know, she's just. Just paints a. Hell, no.

Being able to give yourself a good blow dry. It's.

Yeah.

Blowout. We're in America.

So what did you. When you first got into beauty, what was the first product you bought? Mine was a bourgeois rose blush from Boots. Oh.

That could have been similar to Me, actually. But I think my most earliest memory was probably like, Rimmel birthday suit.

What's that?

Lipstick? You don't know? Birthday suit? No, Rimmel lipstick birthday suit was like a. I think it was like a Brownie, the Matte Spice.

Everyone had it, sort of.

Yes. And it was just like, cheap as chips. Get it from Boots on Chapel street in Southport.

And why is it that everywhere up north has a Chapel Street, Manchester, Liverpool, Chapel street, everywhere. Chapel street, everywhere.

Sussex Road, Bond Street, Bold street, literally. Birthday suit, it's like a shimmery.

Oh, yeah, I do know it. I do know it.

Champagne.

And were you heavy into makeup as a teen?

Oh, my God, I loved it. And I would do. I would try everything and I used to get teased as a kid for just, like, being a little bit out there. I think a lot of people did, but.

And look how that turned out. Because who cares?

Exactly.

If ever there's a lesson, be yourself.

Kids, honestly, it's so true. But, like, I think I used to just, like. I definitely played with stuff a lot and, like, experimented sometimes. My sister used to call me Witch Lips because I used to just, like, wear jet black lip. I owned it. I tried to wear it on her wedding day. She was like, you not wearing that on my wedding day.

You tried to wear a black lip on your sister's wedding day?

She was like, you better not. Well, she was right, Nicola. There was a guy. She could have killed me for saying this out loud. So she had a wedding at Formby hall, which is famous venue in the northwest bit posh. This guy that worked there had to staple one of our dresses back together with a staple gun because it fell apart at the top.

Like. Thanks for that, sis.

Thanks.

Would the black lip have gone with it?

No.

No. Okay, fair. So you were how old at that point?

I was like 15.

Oh, that's. When you're 15, you're an absolute.

I want my curls to be done, but in. The hairdresser didn't brush them out, so they just had full ringlets on my head. It was like, oh, God. Anyway.

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Begged my mom to drive me to London to where I lived in a flat. Like a, a flat share. I was 23. 21. 20. I was 22 or 23. I was think I was 23. I was 23. I was like please drive me to London. I've found this flat. I want to just give it a go. I wanted to like pursue music or makeup or whatever. I just knew I wanted to like try and leave my hometown. Even though I love my hometown, I love where I come from same. I knew I wanted to just like see the world a little bit more and travel essentially and almost like do. I was a baby of the family so I was always looked after, right. And I was like, I want to just like do my own thing.

How many of you were there?

Four.

Oh my God.

And so, and I was like the baby by like seven years. So my sister's seven years older than me and then my brothers are 13 years older than me.

The mistake.

That was the mistake.

Let's not bother with a happy accident. You were the mistake.

Yeah, well I was, I was, I was definitely subject of a second marriage moment. We've got different, we've got different, different dads. So my dad is not my siblings dad. But yeah, we, I moved out to London. She was like mad at me the whole four hour drive down because she was like, you know, you're leaving me, why are you leaving me? And then I think she stayed with me that night in London and then she drove back the next day and then the rest was history. I met Tariq three months later and.

Jesus.

No, actually, I met Tarek four weeks later and I was like, oh, yeah, you're a bit of all right, aren't you?

So you've been together how long?

16 years.

Jeez.

We got married. We were engaged at eight months. 11. Married at 11 months.

So you're like 23, 24 when you got married.

Yeah. And he was 37.

I didn't realize he was older.

Yeah, he's 53, but he looks like he's a baby.

He does, yeah. Jim's six years older than me and looks younger than me. The bastard.

That's so annoying. They just use bloody water on their face and soap.

Jim doesn't. I make him.

That's good.

On that note, current skincare routine. You like to play, don't you?

I have almost finished your gel cleanser. It is one of the most amazing bloody cleansers I've ever used in my life. I love it so much. It's a gel, but it turns into a milk and it emulsifies and with a little bit of a washcloth. You know, once I thought you were slagging off the washcloth routine until I realized that you weren't. Because, you know, I'm. I never profess to be a skincare expert at all. I know it works for me, but I'm not going to educate my community beyond what works for me and beyond what's good for skin prep under makeup.

Right.

I'm not gonna be like, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you're purging from retinol, you might need to do this. I'll always wreck you and my other girls.

Yeah.

And so one time I thought that you were like, have it. Having a bit of an issue with a washcloth. And I was like, oh, what am I gonna do? I can't not use washcloths.

No.

Huge part of my routine. And then when I realized that you were, like, pro flannel, absolute flannel obsessed.

Wash my face without a flannel.

I don't know how anybody could do that. That's like, what, brushing your teeth without a toothbrush?

No, I can't.

Oh, you can't?

Can't do it.

I think I just went really northern.

Then you went really northern, but that's all right. Without a toothbrush.

But no cleansing balm or a cleansing oil. I'm so excited to try your cleaning balm. I'm.

Wash my face.

You're gonna love it tonight. I think that, honestly, cleansing is the way to set your skin up for success. I Believe that even though I'm not a skincare expert. And then I don't use retinols really that much. I use just like hydration, like hydrating balms and oils. Keep it simple.

Any particular favorite brands or do you like to play constantly?

I play constantly, but I don't change it up that much. And when I do change it up, I only try and change it up by one product at a time. So I know if something's giving me a. Given me a problem. Because I think if you try 10 new products and you don't and you flare up, then you're like, what the is it? I love a bit of Ren. I love a bit of skin rocks. I love a bit of this new Scandinavian brand that I've started to partner with. But like it came through the mail and I was like, oh my God, this stuff's gorgeous. The Mantle, really cool, great name for a brand. Really nice. But it's like, it's like spelled man M A N T L E. So it looks like it's Mantler the man, the mantel. I think. Who else do I have in my thing right now? I like, I like. And I also like Inkey List a lot. I think Inky List has some great little basic bits.

Great affordable brand. The Inkey List. Yeah, I think they've kind of destroyed Sarah V. Personally. I think they've come along and gone have that.

Oh yeah, and it's a little bit more of that. The generation as well. And I love that cleansing. You got me onto a cleanser once. White bottle, black squalin.

Oh yeah, yeah. The or about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cuz there's nothing quite like it. It's like a cream but it's almost cleansing oil balm at the same time. Mad. And I love a bit of road. I love the road milk. It's lovely.

Yeah, they've done well, I think.

Yeah.

Clever, clever marketing. Good marketing team.

Formulas are lovely. And she's like going to people that know formula like Robinson and you know, beyond. And my favorite SPF right now is this one from Kiehl's and a yellow bottle and it's a serum, like so. It's very, very thin.

What I've loved about your content online is that you never skip your SPF when you're doing your routine. It's like teaching people to use.

I kept getting shouted out and I.

Realized, I don't know, I kept getting.

Shouted at by people being like, you should really show SPF as part of your routine because you know you're influential and people might, you know. And so, you know, not every day do I wear it if it's because not every day am I leaving the house. Also, I, like, stay at home and do content sometimes for 10 hours. Yeah. Like, if there's one product that I will like, it's almost like I'd rather do the SPF and skip all the other stuff if I'm going outside. Because for me, a serum, an oil, a balm, and like, too many products underneath, foundation or makeup is just going to slide off. And so spf, that was the lesson.

For me as well.

You got an spf?

No, no, no, no. It'll be a couple of years down the road. It's just too much testing, and I'm just trying to get the rest of it done.

It's a whole thing.

I think the lesson for me was doing too much skin prep because I wanted my skin to stay soft and juicy, but then realizing that doesn't make a good makeup base.

Right.

Like, it'll be off within an hour.

Yeah.

I'd be like, okay, it's all gone.

Yeah.

Because I get really annoyed if I can feel the makeup on my face.

Yeah. And you can feel it more when you've got loads of skincare. It's almost like you can feel makeup less if you just put foundation on a bare skin.

Yeah.

It's actually. That's actually a tip that I always share, people that when they're trying a new foundation. If you've ever got a new foundation in your routine, try it with nothing under it. No spf, no foundation, no skincare, no cream, no serums, no lotions, nothing. Because just wash your face, let it dry, and then do the foundation. Because wherever you get shiny throughout the day is therefore where your. That foundation needs you to supplement for that foundation.

Very clever.

Does that make sense if you're gonna go for a double wear rest day, Lauder. Right.

Yeah.

If you're oily, you know, af, you might not need any skin prep under that foundation because it might be perfect. But if you're really dry, you might need, like, a skin food.

Yeah.

To like, supplement it. So it's give an intake of it.

What's your current go to? What's your favorite product at the moment in terms of skin? And I'm going to hit you up for makeup as well in terms of skin.

I really, really like the barrier butter from Rhode. It's very nice. It's just cocooning, but it's not too thick. It rubs around.

Because skin food's great, but it's a certain beast.

And also it's a skin. It's got. Yeah. And I love it. But it's also like, the scent sometimes throws me and sometimes I want it and sometimes I don't.

And it's grease.

It is.

There's no. Even the light one. Yeah, it's grease.

The light one. Pills. A little bit, unfortunately. But I love her. I love the road barrier bomb. And I honestly, like, I've said it. I said it 10 minutes ago. I love your cleanser. It's so bloody good.

Thanks, mate.

It's so good.

[Caroline Hirons]

Do you have a.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

When it comes to makeup.

Yeah.

Doing your own face. Everyone's going to want me to ask if you've got your, like, things you would grab and take to a desert island, what would they be? And I want brands and colors, not just, oh, I'd take a mascara or a blusher or.

Okay, each category or just, like, just in general.

[Caroline Hirons]

Like, if you had to, like, do.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

A basic face, like five things or whatever. What. You know, your basic face that you would have to. The first thing that comes into your.

Mind just on a basic face, a red lipstick. I would go for Stila Basso. It's a liquid matte, and it's thick and it's got coverage and it stays. And I.

Blue or red lip?

It's a bluey red.

I love a bluey red. I can't do an orange red.

Perfect. Perfect color.

Where do you get Steeler here?

I don't know.

Where'd you get it from?

I think it came and I've done a tr. Thing about. Well, that's seven years ago. It's probably very old. So that any liquid matte red lipstick, really, but that one particularly is really nice. I also love the NARS Power matte formula a lot. It's beautiful. And it's quite thin, so it doesn't feel heavy, but it gives you that coverage and it also lasts. And the reason why that is because I can take it and mix it with a little bit of a lipstick, a little bit of concealer, and make a blush out of it if I want to. Eyebrow pencil, which would be another desert island product, Glossier Boy Brow Arch in the shade. Cool brown.

Okay. I think I might be that color, but I don't know if I can't. Is it the one with the angled.

Yes.

I can't use those. I'm not. I watch you do it and I'm like, how does she do?

A lot comes off when you. When you glide it on the face. Did you notice? Did you find that?

I'm just like, I can't get the. You do it and it's like boom, boom, boom. And I'm stuck with this.

That one doesn't create the flicks like I used to do so much. Yeah. But it's just a lovely. Like, it runs out a little fast. That's my only caveat about the product. But I love that one.

So boy brow in light brown.

Boy brow arched.

What's the difference between our brown?

Well, that's the new product. It's called boy brow arch, not boy Brown Pomade.

So we'll hit glossier.

Yeah, go the shop. It's nice. What else? KGH brand hair shine highlight in light pink.

Because Gotta be done.

I think that I did a tick tock last week that went a bit viral. And it was about me saying how if you. If you prime the face. Because I'm anti primer, if you prime the face with highlighter, meaning put. Put highlighters in as many places as you can, that light bounces off of the face. So therefore imperfections, for whatever you might feel like imperfections are, because it's all subjective, will become less because you can't see them because the light is bouncing back. And so therefore you need less foundation because of that or less concealer. So highlighter. And also I can mix that highlighter with my red lipstick to create a shimmery blush. What else? Mascara.

What's your favorite? I need to know.

Tower 28. Make waves. Holy grail. Does it.

Does it give fiber?

[Caroline Hirons]

Because I need help.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

No, I'll send you onto your hotel.

I need help at my house. I need help.

I'm wearing it today. It like, straight out of the tube, just gives you pow. I mean, I need pow, Pow.

Dolly Parton pow. Because my lashes are like shop shutters.

No, no, no.

I have to curl. And then what do you use? I swing between three Legendary Lashes Volume two.

Okay.

Tilbury, YSL Max, the Ultra, whatever it is. The with the X on it.

Okay.

And Chanel Volume.

I do love Chanel Volume for me.

Number one, because it doesn't dry out as quickly.

So I think Chanel Le Volume is a little bit similar to Tower 28.

Tower 28 is not a tubing one, is it?

No, no, no. Hate tubing.

When people like, I love children, like, they're rubbish.

They don't do anything. I'm sorry.

Thank you. Thank you.

Don't do anything.

Don't apologize. I'm exactly the same.

No, I'll Send you onto your hotel.

Okay, great.

It's amazing, and it's, like, good out of the tube.

I need it. And also because I hate when something.

Has to be, like, pumped.

Okay. I also hate it when the hole.

Is too big and the wipers and.

You have to scrape half of it away. That's my bugbear.

Yeah. If the wiper is.

Mascara is a very specific product.

Mascara is the hardest category to crack or to, like, get somebody to change from crazy. Most dedicated.

Someone who's dedicated. You're like, I bought the one that dry bar did with it cosmetics yesterday. And it's. I bought it because it's in the shape. I've got it here, I'll show you. It's in the shape of one of their curling lines. It's fantastic. I bought it for the pack.

Is it yellow?

It's the. It's yellow. No, it's like a gray. It's like their hair dryer and curling brush. Gorgeous. But the. The mascara itself is okay, but it's not the volume.

Oh, my God. I mean, the volume is great because.

It'S, like, it's hardest. Nothing is the volume, you know? So that's your desert island.

Yeah.

Did we have 512 eyebrow. Lip.

Lip complexion, which would be.

Zara, you got one left.

All right. I would say let's just go down.

The foundation road anyway.

Yeah. But I don't use foundation. I'd go concealer. I'd go nars. Creamy Nars. Soft matte in the jar. Controversial take. I think that's better than creamy concealer.

Oh, that is a controversial take because creamy concealer is like the dogs to everyone.

Creamy concealer is dogs to everyone. But it's. But the. The. The one in the pot is so much. Is so superior.

Really?

Yeah. It's kind of like Maybelline Dream Mac mousse. If it was amazing. No offense, Maybelline Drew. What's it called? It's soft matte complete concealer from nars. And it's in a little jar, and you just take a tiny little bit and you just dab it on a brush and you just erase anything.

But you do that. You dab it on a brush, and it looks amazing. Because I have tried to do the odd thing that you do, and I look like my daughter. My. My granddaughter's done it.

Priming the brush thing.

Just priming the brush. It doesn't work for me the way that you do. And I'm like, how is she doing this? But then I understand it, because when I Do my skincare routine. People are like, how are you doing that eye cream? And I'm like, because I've just done it for so long.

I had my eye cream on the other day after my face cream and I literally could hear you being like.

Knickers over your trousers. Absolutely pointless. Like, you know, absolutely pointless.

Oh, you should do that once. You should put some knickers over your pants for us to show just to be like, this is amazing. You should do like. You should do some equivalencies of like, what the equivalence.

A visual representation of what you're doing.

To your skin for cleansing. Like, for not double cleansing. What would that one be like? Sleeping in your outside clothes or something? Literally getting in bed with your outside.

Jeans on or your shoes on. Absolute filth.

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[Katie Jane Hughes]

So what is your if you've got a few Buy it for Life products? Because essentially I know people are interested in your story and they'll have watched, but people who are watching this for you will just want to know your take on every single thing. Because it's like when I do interviews, everyone knows my kind of my history market. But yeah, so all I get is what's best for this, this, this and this. It's just a list of products. That's what they want from you. Let's be honest, we're just going to use you and abuse you O do it. Buy for life.

All right. Buy for life. This isn't something that I use every day, but I would buy because I have two different lists. Right. I have a list for myself and a list for my kit.

Exactly. So for you. Okay, In a minute.

All right, fine. List for me would be Ren Ready Steady Glow Toner. Your cleansing gel. Tower 28 Make Waves Mascara. That concealer that I told you about from literally all of these obviously endless Cacao lip liner from.

I love that. That is so synonymous with you that they may as well just give you the commission.

They should just call it Katie Cac. Well, what else?

Ooh.

Nabla. This Italian brand. They make these blush. Where from Powders. You can get them in Italy. You can get them on Ulta Beauty. I don't. I think you get them on Beauty Bay. Maybe. Perhaps I might. Nabla N A B L A Amazing brand. Italian. Italian cosmetics are superior.

Obviously Made in Intercourse.

Yeah. Probably incredible powders that are, like, shimmery.

I love a powder blush. I'm older. Yeah, you get older, you lose color.

In your cheeks and they like. It's nice to layer a powder with a cream.

Yeah.

And it's nice.

I glad you said that, because that's what I do.

Yeah. I love.

Now I feel like a semi professional you.

I mean, your makeup always looks really good. What else would I always buy? A good. Oh, Lisa Eldridge Lip. Lisa Eldridge eyeliner Pencils are amazing. I love them so much. They're so creamy and glidy and really good for your kit. Editorial. Editorial kit. And for your personal kit. What else? Oh, the one that I would buy immediately if it broke or if I. If it ran out is a glitter eyeshadow. And I'm wearing it today. And it would be. What is it called? Urban Decay. Moondust, Space Cowboy.

That's a very specific list.

Oh, wait, one more. Brow Aid.

Okay. What's this? I need. Because I'm obsessed with brow. So tell me.

You need to go to Dublin and you need to meet Kim.

Dublin. Kimmy just there.

Bloody. L love. Kimmy from Brow Aid is the sweetest and most loveliest human.

Kim. We do. We know her. She came to.

Oh.

Because she was with Susie from Hilden also. Amazing, amazing pencils. So I feel like we could go ting, ting, ting. Name those British and Irish brands.

I love them. I love them.

[Caroline Hirons]

So that's.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

Yeah, that's Kim we saw at the end.

She has a new brow product called the Brow Botox. Brow or Brow Botox. And it's amazing. Actually, fun story about them. I was in Vegas, maybe with do it on a Job, and Tarik went to the makeup show on my behalf, the trade show with all the formulas and the vendors and the labs. And so Kim and Suze and the husbands of those two fabulous women took Tarek under their wing and, like, walked him the show. And then the two Irish husbands of the two fabulous Irish women took Tarek to an Irish bar in midtown. And then they all went to Jean's Lafayette for a burger, because that is one of the best burgers in the city.

I love the thought of Tarek being out with two Irish husbands.

Did you do an Irish accent?

Yeah, but I always think it's not good enough. I don't offend people, especially because my family are from Limerick. You know, my great granddad would say things like, he had it, but he. It kind of. It had a sort of Scouse connotation because he moved to Liverpool when he was, like, in his 20s. Well, he had to leave the country. Army situation, you know, they were definitely that kind of Irish.

I love it.

The kind where if the queen came on the tv, get up and turn it off and leave the room.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. Irish. Like, no, British Irish.

Yeah.

And then my dad's family were all Church of England Anglican, Yorkshire. It's. It's astonishing that they divorced. Won't mean anything to the Americans in the recording booth, but everyone watching the UK is like, oh, yeah, it makes perfect sense. Yeah. But he would. He would call, like. My grandmother was called Mary Catherine. He would call a kitty Kitty. So my grandparents were called Mary and Joseph.

Oh, my gosh.

You. There could not be more Irish.

Oh, my gosh.

Literally.

Oh, my gosh.

Mary and Joseph. And the kids were Kevin, Christina, Eileen, Anne, Kathleen, and James. Jimmy.

I love them.

Jimmy. So I was raised with the twang, but it was more Scouse. Yeah, Like a Scouse Irish twang.

Yeah.

But they were Irish living in Liverpool. But I only noticed when I was over in Dublin last week and I did the Carl Mullen podcast, how the. And I know how it had never clicked, but you know how in Dublin, like, everything's like, like. And that carried to Liverpool because.

Oh, yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, everything's like.

Everything's like. But they say it's like in Ireland. So all the Irish who moved to Liverpool, I think it went from Ireland to Liverpool.

Yeah.

Because you don't say it. You don't go in Brummie and Newcastle. In London. You don't say, like, well, you do in London a bit now you don't. I mean like. But Scousers are. Do you know what I mean? Like, like, like is everything.

Yeah.

You say everywhere.

You do, but you.

And it was only when I was in Ireland and I thought, God, they all say like so much. And I was like, oh, my God. It's the same as being a Scouser. Yeah, that's the. There you go.

It is.

How long did you get home?

I think you're right. I go home about two or three times a year. And then we try bring my mum and dad here a bit. We brought my mum here when we. Because we bought a house in New Jersey about a year ago. Like a funky little mid century modern.

Your house.

Like, it's very fun. I want to do a podcast from the Sunken Living Room, but I'm not. We're not there enough at the moment to actually facilitate that and it's not ready. We're going to put wood in there and like fabricate.

It is a proper sunken living room.

Yes. You can have a New Jersey edition of your podcast. You can have the house for a week. Can you imagine? It'd be so fun.

Can you put a pool in the back to save me, like having to leave the building ever.

There is a pool in the back.

Okay, great.

People DM me all the time. They're like, your house looks like the house from the Sopranos. I'm like, okay, so then it's gonna.

Your house looks nothing like the house from the Sopranos.

The flagstone. I think it's the. Because we've got. What do you call it, Block paving outside.

Yeah. Just for the record, your house looks nothing like the house.

I've not watched the show actually. I need to probably watch the Sopranos, but we brought my mum and dad over.

Did you just say you've never watched?

No, I know, I know, I know. That one really almost slept under the rug, didn't it? Next time I'm on some long travel, I'll get it downloaded onto my computer. It's. It's supposed to be.

Have you done the West Wing?

No.

Oh, my God. How are we friends?

You know? What about. What about Scandal?

No. Oh, I haven't done Scandal or Veep. So I'm doing. And you've got.

Apparently Veep is good.

See its age. I'm older. I'm like 14.

What about Bad Sisters?

No.

Oh, it's the best TV show ever.

I see.

Sharon Horgan.

What are you. Lauren, order. Oh, wow. We're gonna have to Completely cancel this. Should I leave? My daughter in law got into it when she was pregnant with my first grandchild and she and Ben Binged it all the way through.

You're the coolest nan in the world.

I'm a nana. You're a nanny.

What do they call you?

Nanny. Oh, they had the choice and they just call me Nanny. Oh, I wasn't Anna. They'll still say Nana because the Ben and Lil say like, give it to Nana. Because my mum was nana to my kids, my nana was my nana. Yeah, very Scouse, Scouse and Irish Nana. But I'm nanny. They say nanny.

My mom's nan. We've never been. I used to joke calling my nan Grandma because she was very glamorous nan. She actually won Carnival Queen in Southport for many years running. Your family's on the float looking like.

Why does that not surprise me?

Yeah, she was fab. And you know what's funny about her? So she was called Judy, but her birth name was Edna and she hated her birth name so much that she called herself Judy in her fair more grown up years when she decided that she could do that and it was like, when we learned that she changed her name, I was like, nan, why did you change your name to Judy? She was like, well, when I was a girl, she loved it. She was from London Manan. She was like, when I was a girl, I used to ride this elephant in Battersea park and it was called Judy. And I was like, what? For years I thought she was totally full of shit, right? And then my neat. My cousin Sarah, we both got. She wanted to get a tattoo commemorating my nan, like a few years ago. And I think she got something and I was like, why don't you get an elephant? She said, no, I'm not going to get an elephant. I've got another idea. I was like, right, well, I'm getting an elephant. So I've got an elephant on my arm with a J in the tusk. And I just thought to myself, maybe I'll just Google elephants in Battersea park before I put this thing on my arm with an elephant with a J in it. And it's true, there was elephants in the Battersea park in the 20s and you could ride them. For years. We thought my nan was just telling us Jack and Hori tales.

Is that another Northern thing? Because Max, my youngest, is named after my granddad, whose name was Eric, but all his mates called him Max. So my granddad was Eric and. But when his mates. So they used to come around and this is a very. I don't know if this. I don't see this in London, but it was a very northern thing to go to the club. The men would go to the club on a Sunday, come back on the roast.

Like a workerman's club. Yeah, yeah.

So my granddad used to go to.

The club, used to sing at them.

And then my Irish family would go to the club, but it would be the church, the church club attached to the Catholic church, because there was, you know, the two. But it always involved going to a club. They'd always come and stinking a smoking Guinness, whatever they did. But my granddad's mates would come round, Len would come round, pick him up for Sunday and I'd love it because we'd be there every Sunday with my mum and dad. And then granddad would go off, all the men would go off, the women would all be together. My nana would be cooking a roast in a kitchen this big, but she'd make a feast for like 10 people out of something this big, the size of the kitchen. And then he'd come back and they would call him Max and Maxi. Hey, Max, you're ready. And Max stuck in my head. So when I said to. When I said to the London family, oh, you know, our youngest is going to be. I knew Max was going to be called Max before he was in born. I was like, I'm going to get pregnant again. I'm going to have a boy. And his name's gonna be Maximilian. Be Max for short, Maximilian. And Jim was like, you're really taking this planning thing too far. And I'm like, well, we just won't have sex if you don't want any more kids.

Because I.

And I was pregnant within, like two months. And I say that, like, I know that I'm very blessed to be able to get knocked up sharing a toothbrush, everyone.

Oh, my God, that's amazing.

But that is such a funny. I got pregnant. I was like, I'm pregnant and it's a boy and his name's Max. So we were just like calling the baby Max. Jim was like, I don't know if I like the name. Well, then I said, well, you don't have to call him that. That's what his name's gonna be.

Yeah.

And he was like, why? It's like after my granddad. And he went, I thought, your granddad's called Eric. I went, he is. It's a long story. But of course, the Scouse family were like, oh, after granddad.

Oh, that's so funny. I mean, yeah, I think it must be.

Change your name.

I mean, my nickname's Crisp because I used to come home from school every day and eat five packets of cheese and onion walkers in front of the tv.

Crisp, Chris.

Kate Crisp. That's what my whole family call me.

Wow.

They don't call it me anymore, but they call me Kate now. But they're like, my brother used to be like, all right, Crisp. I think his best friend when I was a teenager gave me the name. He's like, well, because I'm gonna start calling you Katie Crisp. And then Crisp stuck. So then I became Crisp.

Teenage nicknames are the best there are. Certain people on this earth are allowed to call me Kaz.

You're not a cat.

I mean, I am to the people who've known me since I was, like, 10, but very few look it. I'm Kaz. To, like, Tracy, who's my oldest mate. She's Trace.

Yeah, all right.

Kaz and trace.

Cute.

Mr. Smiths.

Cute. Love it, Love it.

Pre Pete Waterman years, like when it was Mr. Smith's without the TV cameras and you. No social media. You just get absolutely hammered when you're 15, 16. Because I always looked white Lightning. No, I drink cider and black.

Oh, that's much fun.

And I sat on it once. I looked like I've got my period. One of my. One of my really embarrassing moments. But there you go. I was like. And I remember getting in the car and going, I'm not on my period. I've just sat on a cider in black. Can you imagine? Can you imagine the absolute shame.

The stuff we come out.

Cab driver didn't even blink. I mean, you're picking up. People are. Mr. Smith. It's a miracle they can speak. Oh, my God. And that's a car park. The shame.

What's Mr. Smith?

The big nightclub in Warrington. Tragic. Used to have, like, burger stands outside.

It was a place in Southport called. I think it was called, like, Sticky Wickets or something weird. And it used to have, like, a phone party night. And I was always too young to go, but I was like. When I started to be able to go clubbing at the age of 15.

I was 15, but I looked 18, so we had no problem getting in same.

And I think Sticky Wickets, they had, like, a phone party night. And my brother used to go. And I'd be like, dead jealous. I'm like, I want to go.

Like, me in the club after Adele wasn't a pretty sight. I was just like, I Was just like, why? What am I? How did I end up here? I've gone from one of the best experiences to living hell.

Did you take the win?

Yeah.

So nice.

Yeah. So we left Adele.

But Vegas is crazy.

I can't do Vegas.

I don't like Vegas. Really?

It's not for me. I think if you've got adhd, it's either somewhere you want to live.

Yeah.

Or you're. It triggers every single sense and you're completely overwhelmed.

And the fact that you can't get out of your hotel.

I was the latter, Miles. I was the latter. I didn't know that was Vegas. I thought Vegas was hotels and separate casinos. There's casinos everywhere. There's a casino in the airport. There's casinos in petrol stations.

Inside.

And you can smoke inside.

It's mad.

I've never known anything like it. So I'm glad I did it. And obviously it was amazing because Adele was phenomenal. But would I rush back to gamble and hang out? No. We had great food and space and came through a great time. But I just went from pillar to post. I didn't know what was happening. Everyone was jet lagged off their tits. We landed on the. Got there Thursday, left Sunday.

Okay.

So it's just enough time to start to feel like you might be feeling normal. But like day two after Adele when everyone's been hanging because they were in the casino till 5. I went to bed. I went out on my own with Tony, who's the event, planning a production. And the driver because they all had to go for a nap. And I'm like, I'm the nana and you're all in bed. Waste men loved it, so I loved it. But I wouldn't go back to Vegas. I wouldn't be like, I can't wait to go to Vegas. So your first time in Vegas, which is crazy, right? Because my mom's American. We lived here for six years. But no. Wow. No, I couldn't. I landed in New York and I was like, yeah, thank God.

[Caroline Hirons]

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[Katie Jane Hughes]

Digressing completely. I just want to get from you before we go into the quick fire, one thing you said about doing your face. When you're doing your kit, if you're turning up to an unknown face.

Yeah.

So if you're going to do me, what would your skin prep be? I'm just interested. How would you get to a point where you start with foundation concealer? What would you do?

Well, I would ask you if you've done your skin prep yourself already, because pretend I haven't.

I always have. I would have had perfectly juice skin, but pretend I haven't.

But a lot of my clients do do their own skin prep, which is quite interesting because, you know, if you've got a routine and might actually love that when a client has their own skin prep. But if I'm doing somebody's skin from scratch, probably more on an editorial shoot versus like a celebrity job, I would do bioderma. I'd pass with the bioderma. On a cotton round, I would put a little bit more pressure in the areas on the face where makeup tends to cling down the sides of the nose, forehead, any little crevices. Then I would mist wipe any excess away with just like a Tower 28 hypochlorous acid type thing. And then I would essentially just keep it real simple. Do. If they're really, really. I'd let their skin sort of dry a little bit by itself and I'd be like, does your skin feel tight or does your skin feel balanced? If their skin felt tight, I'd probably give them a bit more hydration. If their skin didn't feel tight, I'd probably give them a normal amount of hydration. AKA but it also depends on what we're doing. If we're going for like a matte face, I would probably do, like, a serum or a milk.

Yeah.

We're going for a juicy, creamy, gorgeous, glossy base. I would probably go in for, like, a rich cream.

That would be me. So what we doing for me? You don't have to use skin rocks. You can. If you. If you didn't have me in your kit and you're doing something else. 55 tend to be dry, Obviously, I.

Would do your face cream in the big purple jar. Blue jar.

Blue jar, Green jar.

Yeah, it's like a teal.

Yeah, it is actually a teal. Well done, Katie J. Hughes.

But I would put it on the high point, and I would use that, and I knew that after the bioderma step. Yeah, I would do that, and I knew that. And I would focus it on the high points of the face first.

Not everywhere.

Not everywhere. And I'd rub it into those areas, and what's left on my fingers would go in your T zone. Because I don't want to overload the T zone first with shine. I remember this. This all comes. There might not be any science behind what I just said from helping the makeup last longer, but it's something that I realized worked for me when one girl once at the Buffalo Exchange across the street from my house, she goes. She knew I was a makeup artist because I always take my spare makeup bits to, like, businesses in my neighborhood to share the wealth of it all. And I go. She goes, how do I stop my makeup from coming off throughout the day? I'm like, what foundation do you wear? She was like, fenty Pro Filter. I said, where do you first touch your face with moisturizer when you put moisturizer on? And she went there. And I go, where's the makeup first coming off when you notice it coming off? She went there. And so I was like, so then why don't you put the skincare on the areas where you essentially probably want more glow, where you don't really mind if the complexion's coming off? Essentially, our complexion is more going in the very center of our face anyway. And so from a foundation longevity perspective, like, that's why I don't use primers, because I think they're a little bit bs like, it's not necessary.

Hannah Martin also hates primers.

They're just not necessarily necessary. Yeah, it's like, you know, I'm not gonna, like, say, oh, it's a marketing thing, because I think some people do like them, and I think some people want them. Like, I don't know. This throws me right back to my space in K days. You know what I'm about to say.

Pause.

No more. Dr. Brand.

Like that Laura Mercier tinted moisturizer. Yeah. Stuff that's just always, always out.

Right. But, like, if somebody's got, like, you know, if somebody has a complaint of, like, larger pores, I, I. My first thing isn't to say, go get a pore filling primer. My first thing is to say, what's your cleansing routine like? Because I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong. You know better than me. Doesn't having really properly balanced, clean skin from your cleansing routine help with pore size?

Yeah, for sure. And you could use acid. You could use the exfoliating acid afterwards.

Just to bring it down. Yeah, it's like, fix it with the other things versus the band aid things. Fix it with the skincare, not the band aid, essentially.

So you basically, you do minimal. You don't just cover the face in loads of moisturizer.

Very minimal. The only time that I would do a lot more is I would probably emulate their face a lot with oils or creams to do a face massage. And then I would take everything off with a bioderma and then do it again just with the right amount just.

To have the prep.

Just if I wanted the slip from a tool.

How does it different doing, like, a stage makeup, like Glastonbury to editorial?

Really? Not much at all, really. Yeah, no, not really. Just less, maybe a tiny bit more powder for stage, for anything where.

Because both need quite a lot of makeup.

Yeah. But not as much as you would think because, like, it's more about, like. I was talking to a friend of mine who, you know, watches me do makeup a lot, and she was like, you put makeup on the face in such a specific way. Like, you don't put everything everywhere. You, like, treat each area of the face like its own little zone.

Yeah, you do.

But then everything sort of makes sense at the end. It's like you're not just, like, slapping foundation everywhere and then blush is going everywhere. You're, like, really looking at the face.

And where it goes together like a puzzle. When you're watching you do it all fits together like a puzzle.

That's what she said. And I was like, that's really interesting because I've never thought about it like that. Sometimes you have to have people tell you how you do stuff for you to realize how you do stuff, because I think that's actually the best way to do makeup, because we don't need it. It's like the face Mapping skincare trend. Like, we don't need the same skincare products. Yeah.

I was gonna say what you do is a bit like dermalogica, but in makeup.

Yeah.

The face mapping. Yeah.

I do powder just here on a tiny, tiny brush. And, like, that's why I'm very pro. Small brushes. Because small brushes give you control, small brushes give you, like, precision and, like, getting in those areas.

I love your brushes. That you did. Thanks.

They're about to. Well, they're not about to win an award. We're a nominator for an award, so we might win an award. Like a Cosmo Award.

Oh, nice.

That'd be nice. But it's cool. It's done really, really, really, really, really well. We just launched a new one, so we'll have to make sure you get them.

Yes, you will have to make sure I get the things you turned up here without your product.

I know. I'm so darling.

Anyone would think you had other things on your mind today. Are you ready for quick fire?

Yeah.

Okay. You don't have to think too hard. It's just a. I'll try. Okay. Ulta or cvs?

Ulta.

Bold eye or bold lip?

Bold.

Lip dewy or matte skin Dewy. I know you're gonna say that. Lipstick or lip gloss?

Lipstick.

Oh, lipstick. Lip gloss or lip pencil?

Oh, lip liner? Pencil. Oh, my God.

AM or PM Routine? Pm Space and chaos. Sephora.

Oh, no.

How about in the uk?

Oh, in the uk Space. Okay.

And then in the us, Sephora. Okay. Sephora or Ulta?

Sephora.

I feel like I'm just getting you.

You know, Am I having these conversations with Sephora and space and K for KJH brand? Maybe don't watch this video.

Makeup brush or makeup sponge?

Make a brush. I hate sponges.

I don't. Thank you. I don't. Is it a younger thing? Because Ava's great with a sponge. I can't do it.

I don't know. I just. I just hate them more. I hate washing them. I find them so hard to wash.

I. I really am bad at washing my brushes, considering how anal I am about skincare.

The fact you need to nominate someone on your team to wash your brushes.

For you, it won't be livid. You're too busy. Don't worry. Be Lulu. It'll be Lulu. Don't worry. She's like, please not me. Please not me. City break or Country Escape?

City break. I like to walk and see stuff and eat nice food.

Shopping online or shopping in store.

I hate shopping online.

I love it.

So lazy. I'd never take anything back. I know I'd give it away before I'd send it back. I'm terrible. I'm like, yeah, I don't want this. I can't be bothered going to the post office.

I know if I didn't have Lulu, who goes to the post office for me, I don't think I'd have any clothes because I wouldn't have time to go to the shops like High street or Suzanne.

Yeah, me and M. Yeah, I like me and him.

Yeah, pretty. Same. Same.

Yeah.

Dogs or cats?

Cats.

Thank you Lord. The amount of people say dogs as if it's a given. I'm like no, absolutely not.

Cats, you know, I just. I like not having. I like they're easy and they're also weir funny.

Don't have to look after them, they're just. Yeah, they're like feed me right? Yeah. Like where have you been? Where's my lunch?

If we get an animal, I'd get a cat first because I just want. But I really hope to get a weird one. One of the ones that like pushes.

Your off the side where you live. Would you wouldn't let them out, would you? Because they would bring you.

Oh, we had a bear last night.

Stop it. In the house.

I'll show you the video.

In the house?

No, like at the house. Like brown.

I was going to say you couldn't let them out cuz they'd either get eaten or bring you in. Like snakes.

Yeah. No, we wouldn't have an outside cat in Jersey.

Terrifying. Sweet or savory?

Savory, obviously.

Heels or flats?

Flats. Nice.

This is my refrince. Shoes or bags?

Bags. Now bags used to be shoes though never been shoes.

Me because I've got big feet. I can only ever wear trainers so I'm set. It's always about the bags. So sure you what? So sure are you UK 10?

They don't look that big.

Thanks. They are. Night in or night out?

Not in.

I know we're getting too old now. This is very British specific. Oh, Nando's or waggers?

Oh, oh Nando's forever.

What's your Nando's order?

Half chicken, french fries, coleslaw with lemon. Herb.

Lemon and herb. Wimp. Pointless even. I do a medium. Even I can stretch to a medium. Meanwhile Daniel's there with my. Daniel's there with his asbestos go Having like extra hot. I'm like oh Jesus God.

Oh no.

Okay, the important question that everyone will know is coming up because I've been watching them before now.

Has what it's going to be about tea.

I know, but you can tell me how you have your tea. How'd you have your tea?

I don't drink tea. I drink coffee. I do drink tea from England though, but I don't drink tea here because I don't know.

You couldn't drink milk. You have to make it yourself.

Well, yeah, I don't put like a tea bag in milk and then microwave it and then do that.

I would never assume you would do anything like that.

But I don't like the milk here and I only drink almond milk actually here. So I wouldn't put.

So what do you have when you're at home?

Double espresso.

No, in Liverpool home. Southport home. Your mum's making you a brew.

Green top, green top milk in the fridge, two tea bags, sugar and a bit of green top milk and I'll let it steep.

Two tea bags.

Oh, my dad's a builder, you see. So might all make sense now.

It makes a lot, but not for long.

Just like for the regular amount of time. But just speed it up.

Let's go.

Yeah.

Okay. And then the finale.

Be a nice similar color to the wall.

Yeah, it needs to. Yeah, exactly. What is your favorite sandwich?

English sandwich?

Just sandwich.

Probably like a prawn mayo or an egg mayo.

I love that. It's just such a basic. I love it.

Mayo sandwich.

But what about in the U.S. if you're here, if you're going for lunch here, what are you going to get?

There's a sandwich shop.

See how everyone goes. So here comes the detail.

There's a sandwich shop here called Court Street Grocers and it is the most amazing place.

Where is it?

It's in Brooklyn. There's multiple but they have. It's very expensive. It's like $20 for a sandwich. It's pretty ridiculous. But they have a sandwich called the Clean Turkey and it's just the most perfect sandwich with pickles, turkey, a little bit of lettuce, a little bit of mayo. But it's just so crisp and fresh and delicious on like a gluten free bun that they do so good. Or a good burger because that's also considered a sandwich.

That's a good point. So what would your favorite burger in New York be?

Jeans.

I'm sorry, what?

Jeans. Lafayette.

Where is that?

It's on Lafayette, right by NYU at the top end kind of where the big square, the big cube is almost Washington, almost Union Square. I love that burger. It's so good. I had my birthday party there and everybody, like, we had burgers and fries passed. It was so much fun. It's such a good burger. I feel after this, I do like a Minetta burger.

The last night was fantastic.

But apparently the 4 Charles burger is epic. And I'm.

Well, I've tried to get in there. I was on a wait list, but it hasn't come through while I'm here. So if anyone knows us, they can hook us up for next time. Yeah, hi, here's me and Katie Jane Hughes with our combined following of two something million. Can you please let us in and we'll promise we'll post a picture of your food.

Hilarious. Funny. It's supposed to be very good. What's your favorite burger in London? Because that is. Actually, I don't. I don't have a favorite burger in London because I don't like eating burgers in England because I don't cook the medium rare.

I won't cook the medium rare, which Mineta does. And it was divine. No, honest. Burgers gets a bit too truffley for me.

Oh, yeah.

I don't mind a gbk.

Remember when Byron was like.

Byron was it?

Byron was the.

But then they stopped cooking the meat the way you want it.

And I'm like. And those zucchini fries.

Zucchini fries.

Byron. We used to go there like once a week when we lived in Byron.

Yeah. We went through a Byron phase of just like. God, this isn't. This is intense. Five guys. I feel like lingers on your mouth forever and your clothes.

Yeah.

You know, but. Yeah, but at least for five guys, you get four bags of potatoes.

You do. Yeah. And I love their fries. Their fries are so good. They're like so like rustic.

[Caroline Hirons]

People listening to us record this pod.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

Who'Ve never heard it are just like, what the is this? What is happening? Katie Jane Hughes, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you so much. And good luck with the.

The fertility. Good luck with the fertility treatment. We'll see what happens. Whatever's meant to be will be. That's how I've always felt and I still feel that way. The journey is long, but, you know, if it works, cool. If it doesn't, also cool. Like, it's fine.

Well, we will be sending you all the best to your fanny.

I am deceased.

That's all right.

That was so funny. And on that note.

[Caroline Hirons]

Cot, I feel.

[Katie Jane Hughes]

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