Britney Spears and Lynne Spears’ Memoir Heart to Heart

Summary

Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast
Episode: Britney Spears and Lynne Spears’ Memoir Heart to Heart
Host: Chelsea Devantez
Guest: Sam Reese
Release Date: August 5, 2025

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Introduction and Context

In this episode of Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast, host Chelsea Devantez and her guest, Sam Reese, delve into the joint memoir Heart to Heart by Britney Spears and her mother, Lynne Spears, published in May 2000. The book aims to provide an intimate look into Britney's life and her relationship with her mother amid her burgeoning fame. However, Chelsea and Sam approach the memoir with a critical eye, uncovering inconsistencies and questioning the authenticity of the narratives presented.

Setting the Scene: The Year 2000 Publishing Industry

Chelsea Devantez [02:42]:
"This was published in 2000. Could you maybe just set the stage for our listeners? Maybe popcorn us some words to really get us in the mood for year 2000 publishing industry."

Sam Reese [02:55]:
"Year 2000 publishing industry. What comes to mind? Hanging at the mall. We're buying books at Borders. We're reading Gossip Girl, the series."

Discussion Highlights:

• Y2K Aesthetics: The conversation paints a vivid picture of the early 2000s, characterized by mall culture, the popularity of Borders bookstores, and emerging teen literature like Gossip Girl.
• Fashion and Trends: Chelsea and Sam reminisce about the era's fashion trends, such as straightened hair, glittery makeup, and iconic mall brands like Delia's.

Analyzing Heart to Heart: A Critical Review

Chelsea Devantez [04:46]:
"I do believe she had an influence on like George Bush."

Sam Reese [04:46]:
"Yeah, George Bush. Relevant. Yeah. Listen. And she's one of the most talented people of all time to this day."

Key Points:

• Britney's Influence: The hosts argue that Britney Spears' impact transcends pop culture, even joking about her influence on political figures like George Bush.
• Critique of the Memoir: Chelsea disparages the memoir as "hot fucking fire garbage from Satan," highlighting her strong negative reception of the book's content.

Unpacking the Memoir's Authenticity

Chelsea Devantez [06:07]:
"There was no pressure to book."

Sam Reese [06:23]:
"And I do believe she, like, put on a blonde wig and, like, started to pretend she was her teenage daughter."

Discussion Highlights:

• Ghostwriting Suspicions: Both hosts express skepticism about whether Britney had any real involvement in writing the memoir, suggesting Lynne Spears may have authored it without Britney's input.
• Discrepancies and Fabrications: They cite the portrayal of family dynamics and financial struggles as inconsistent with later memoirs and public accounts.

Core Traumas and Personal Insights

Chelsea Devantez [09:03]:
"As if you follow her Instagram, you know that sloppy sauce is coming from every angle. But there's core wounds that will make their ways into a sentence that will make everyone else go, what the hell is happening?"

Key Insights:

• Dolls as a Symbol: The memoir mentions Britney's collection of Madame Alexander's dolls, which becomes a focal point of their critique. Chelsea references a post by Britney claiming her mother gave away her dolls, only to find numerous dolls featured in the book, suggesting deceit.
• Poetic Narratives: The inclusion of poems written by Lynne Spears is examined, with the hosts questioning the authenticity and intent behind these writings, perceiving them as manipulative propaganda rather than genuine expressions.

Exposing Inconsistencies and Red Flags

Chelsea Devantez [25:56]:
"Brian's new girlfriend, Amberlynn Conklin, she posted an Instagram story accusing him of... harassing me every day, telling me I'm cheating on you while I am watching a movie with my mom..."

Sam Reese [25:56]:
"Are they really sisters?"

Discussion Highlights:

• Family Allegations: The hosts bring up serious allegations from Brian Spears' ex-girlfriend, Amberlynn Conklin, accusing him of drugging Britney and misusing her finances, which starkly contrast with the memoir’s portrayal of a harmonious family.
• Larry Rudolph's Role: They scrutinize the portrayal of Britney's manager, Larry Rudolph, questioning his dual role as a lawyer and manager, and suggesting potential conflicts of interest and exploitation.

Public Perception and Media Influence

Chelsea Devantez [38:10]:
"It's hard to be a mama when your daughter is running all over the world, but sometimes I do get to travel with her."

Sam Reese [38:10]:
"Lynn, you stupid bitch. Stop trying to write her music."

Key Points:

• Image Management: The memoir’s narrative of Lynne Spears striving to present a positive image of Britney is critiqued as a facade that hides deeper familial and personal issues.
• Media Manipulation: They argue that the media’s portrayal, influenced by the memoir, perpetuates a sanitized version of Britney’s life, overshadowing the real struggles she faces.

Concluding Thoughts: The Impact of Heart to Heart

Chelsea Devantez [44:35]:
"It's time for the booktool test. Are you ready?"

Sam Reese [44:35]:
"Yes, let's do it."

Evaluation:

• Vulnerability and Truth: While acknowledging that the book shares personal truths through poems and anecdotes, the hosts ultimately rate the memoir poorly on entertainment and life elevation.
• Legacy and Justice: They emphasize that while Heart to Heart was an early attempt to shape Britney’s narrative, true justice and understanding of her experiences are still ongoing issues.

Final Verdict:

• Chelsea Devantez [44:16]:
  "I’m going with no."

• Sam Reese [44:19]:
  "That's a no."

The hosts conclude that while the memoir attempts to offer a heartfelt glimpse into Britney Spears' life, it fails to entertain and does not significantly elevate their understanding of her struggles. They emphasize the need for continued advocacy and awareness regarding Britney's ongoing fight for autonomy and justice.

Key Quotes with Timestamps

• Chelsea Devantez [06:07]:
  "It's got the same voice, but it's supposedly written by Brittany and Lynn, and they switch off, back to back, being like, here's mom's take. Here's Britney's take."

• Sam Reese [10:20]:
  "This is journalism directly."

• Chelsea Devantez [12:12]:
  "Rodan and Fields."

• Sam Reese [13:24]:
  "He's bad, terrible guy."

• Chelsea Devantez [19:14]:
  "Everyone's my baby."

• Sam Reese [36:35]:
  "There's a kindred spirit that's thrilling to see..."

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Conclusion

This episode of Glamorous Trash offers a deep dive into the contentious and possibly deceptive narratives presented in Britney and Lynne Spears' memoir Heart to Heart. Through incisive critique and the unveiling of inconsistencies, Chelsea Devantez and Sam Reese highlight the complexities behind Britney Spears' public persona and the often-hidden struggles behind the glitz and glamour. Their analysis underscores the importance of scrutinizing celebrity memoirs and advocating for the genuine voices of those entangled in the high-stakes world of fame.

Transcript

[Chelsea Devantez]

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[Sam Reese]

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[Chelsea Devantez]

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[Sam Reese]

We once again meet and have discussions on podcasts or stage shows only.

[Chelsea Devantez]

This is only where our friendship exists. And yet if someone asked me if you were a dear friend, I'd Say yes.

[Sam Reese]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Before we start, I have a question for you. So this was published in 2000. Could you maybe just set the stage for our listeners? Maybe popcorn us some words to really get us in the mood for year 2000 publishing industry.

[Sam Reese]

Year 2000 publishing industry. What comes to mind? Hanging at the mall. We're buying books at Borders. That's nice. We are reading Gossip Girl, the series.

[Chelsea Devantez]

As literature.

[Sam Reese]

As literature.

[Chelsea Devantez]

We are straightening our hair till it's fried.

[Sam Reese]

Crisping it. Yes. Barbecue hair.

[Chelsea Devantez]

We're crisp. Crisping. Barbecuing our hair. We are all blonde.

[Sam Reese]

We are all trying to be blonde. Praying to God for blonde hair. And we are putting chemical glitter on our eyes and face. Correct.

[Chelsea Devantez]

We are rolling every lotion that could have glitter. And it does. Every roller bottle has glitter.

[Sam Reese]

And every lotion is named something like Moonlit Path. Not sure what that scent is.

[Chelsea Devantez]

But we still believe that prom is an important night in our life.

[Sam Reese]

Yes. And you get two chances to get it right.

[Chelsea Devantez]

And I'm currently saving up to buy a Delia's thong with a butterfly on the back that I'll never be able to fit into or afford.

[Sam Reese]

And I'm lusting after an orange two piece satin bell bottom set from Limited two that does have a vest.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Perfect. I think we're ready. I think we're ready to dive in.

[Sam Reese]

I feel like I'm there In this pre 911 world just right before 9.

[Chelsea Devantez]

11, just moments before when this in Quotes book is published. And we love talking about Britney on this podcast. Her memoir episode is one of my favorites because I loved her memoir. But. But I love talking about Britney Spears because I do believe she shaped us more than any living being. And I'm not even talking about us gals. I think she had an influence on like George Bush.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah. George Bush. Relevant. Yeah. Listen. And she's one of the most talented people of all time to this day.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah, truly. And she was like a 15 year old when she was doing it. So everybody knows Britney Spears story. Okay. We don't need to really recap this book because it is, what, hot fucking fire garbage from Satan.

[Sam Reese]

And book is an interesting word that you would use. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

What's a better word for this item I'm holding in my hand?

[Sam Reese]

I sort of described it. I wrote down this is 100 captions and teen magazine quiz answers they stapled together into a book.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I think that's way more. So our. Yeah, our stapled together captions that we hold in our hand.

[Sam Reese]

Yes. They basically feel like you doing a recap. Of Us Weekly, but it's just Britney and her mom doing the quizzes.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I think that is exactly right and devastating because we did put ourselves through this. And I just want to go through and call out highlights. And if for some reason you don't know Britney's story, I don't know why this is the first episode you press play on. You really need to listen to us discuss our memoir because we're about to go deep and niche and bring out a bunch of hilarity, but also painfully sad, which. Is there anything more Y2K than, like.

[Sam Reese]

Glitter, butterflies, body dysmorphia, Pain. Yeah. Suffering. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay, so this book, I would say, and I'd like to know how much money you would put on this. I would put $700,000 on the fact that Britney never saw a word of it or knew it was happening.

[Sam Reese]

And I would similarly, maybe I would put even more than that down. I would even say this is as close as it gets to AI. But in the year 2000, like, what is the year 2000 iteration of AI? Is it just a ghost writer?

[Chelsea Devantez]

So that is such a good point, because, yeah, had this been published now, they would have AI chatbot it. Since they didn't have that option. I am deeply, deeply concerned that it is Lynn Spears and a typewriter.

[Sam Reese]

Do you think it's when she's like, I have to get my. My Britney state of mind. She's putting a headset on. She's.

[Chelsea Devantez]

She's. She's got the gel microphone. It has a similar voice to Lynn Spears shit memoir that she wrote seven months after locking her daughter into a conservatorship. Which I said, she wrote it seven months after. What I meant to say is the book came out seven months after that. So she was typing. Well, I say. I've said this before. I'll say it again. Britney went in the ambulance and she used her body to hold up the laptop as she began chapter one. Chapter one, why this wasn't my fault. So it's got the same voice, but it's supposedly written by Brittany and Lynn, and they switch off, back to back, being like, here's mom's take. Here's Britney's take. And so I do believe she, like, put on a blonde wig and, like, started to pretend she was her teenage daughter. Let me read this. Writing this book with Brit has been a labor of love for both of us. We've shared so much over the past 18 years, and we still do. You should see Our phone bills. What I hope you take away from our efforts is a better understanding of who Britney is. Who. Who knows her better than her mama. And the power of love, faith, and family. If you believe in these things and follow your heart, the sky is the limit.

[Sam Reese]

Ah. Wow. And what does any of that mean?

[Chelsea Devantez]

You know, it's terrible because I'm sure at a. If I had picked this up in 2000, I would have been like, all right, I'll faith. Okay. Join church, love. Okay. Mom will do it for I. Okay. Sky's the limit. Lynn Spears.

[Sam Reese]

So inspiring. The amount of photos throughout this book is like. It makes me think when she wrote this, it was 20 pages, double spaced, and they were like, fuck. Okay, Phil, Phil, Phil.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So one theme I want to talk about throughout this book, I actually found three of them, which, again, is what makes me the world's foremost Instagram interpreter for Britney Spears. Correct. I found core. Core trauma that you will watch Britney Spears to this day throw into her.

[Sam Reese]

What's the word?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Captions. Her. Her writings.

[Sam Reese]

Poems.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Her poems, you know, as if you follow her Instagram, you know that sloppy sauce is coming from every angle. But there's core wounds that will make their ways into a sentence that will make everyone else go, what the hell is happening? And one of these core wounds, I can't believe it's in the book. And I really want to drill down on this because I also think Britney Spears had such a small amount of formative time at home, like from the age of 10 and 11, in Lynn's words. They're taking her to New York City to book a role, and they had no money, and they all had to split one hotel room as a family. But there was no pressure to book.

[Sam Reese]

No pressure at all. And you always have your family.

[Chelsea Devantez]

You always have. And faith.

[Sam Reese]

And faith. And your dolls.

[Chelsea Devantez]

And your dolls. Okay? That is the number one core trauma. So I don't know if you're gonna remember this, but Brittany started posting, my mom gave away my dolls. And you couldn't even keep my dolls. You couldn't even keep my dolls. Then Lynn Spears, who apparently doesn't have her phone number anymore or has been blocked on every single platform, had to post on Instagram. I still have your dolls. I. And if you guys are thinking I'm, like, on a joke run right now, I'm not. I'm just telling you, I'm reporting from Instagram.

[Sam Reese]

This is journalism directly.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Journalism is Lynn Spears posted pictures of these haunted fucking dolls. And she was like, no, I still have your dolls. Here Britney seems to believe Lynn has given away her dolls. And I was shocked to find the dolls on page 17 of this memoir.

[Sam Reese]

Wow. Let's find them.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Here we go. I do want to read from it is the second paragraph.

[Sam Reese]

Ah, yes, A daughter to have tea parties with. I'd braid her hair. Luckily for me, Britt loved being a girl. She collected dolls. Parentheses. Even today, her room is filled with curio cabinets containing dozens of Madame Alexander's porcelain dolls and dainty miniature shoes. End parentheses, delighted in frilly clothes and always seemed to get into her mama's makeup. But along with all that sugar, there was also a bit of spice. Brittany could be a handful.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay, bitch, this is her book. But dozens of dolls and I listen, I just think we've uncovered something here because Lynn Spears posted one goddamn doll when she said, I didn't get rid of your dolls. And so I think Britney's point stands. She got rid of her Madame Alexander's.

[Sam Reese]

And let's go over what dozens means. Dozens means several sets of 12.

[Chelsea Devantez]

We're in the 46 range, so she should have been able to show US footage of 46 goddamn haunted porcelain dolls.

[Sam Reese]

A whole bookcase sitting with the filled with dolls is what I wanted to see.

[Chelsea Devantez]

And you know what? Let me just take a moment. I'd like to. I'd like to report live from the scene of Lynn Spears Instagram. I just want to really hone in on this. Unless maybe she's archived the post now. Another fun fact, I think I've talked about this before is that Lynn Spears is fully in a MLM these days. Of course.

[Sam Reese]

Which one?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Rodan and Fields.

[Sam Reese]

Are they the. The women in STEM who made proactive?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Oh, I don't know. That'd be a nice way to say it for sure. Is it? Is that what it is? Okay, here we go. November 9, 2023. I would never sell my daughter's things. Get your facts straight. At Daily Mail, we've got a picture of a hat and a white shirt. Then we have Lynn sitting sadly by the fireplace. The white shirt is on her knees. The hat, it's just the same two items. But now with her sad face by the fireplace. Okay, and that's it. Where are the dolls? Oh, yes. Okay. And then she said hi to different post. Live from the scene at Britney Spears. I'm not sure who told you I got rid of your dolls and journals, but I would never do that. That would be cruel because I know how much they mean to you. They are special to me too, because over the Years we have spent collecting them. Of course, I still have your things, and I'm happy to send them to you if you'd like me to. Please let me know and know how much I love you then. On the bed is just a single journal. Okay. And then I think, you know what? I can see about 10 dolls in this.

[Sam Reese]

That's not dozens.

[Chelsea Devantez]

It's not dozens for sure.

[Sam Reese]

Okay. And if she's like, you know, I would love to send them to you. Give me your address. I'll come find you.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I would love to come find you. Could we hit the ATM on the way there? So also similar to Lynn's memoir. Well, exactly the same. She writes poems in her memoir that she published, and she wrote poems in the mother daughter book as well.

[Sam Reese]

A lot of poems.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay, so let's read one of the poems in this book. My Little Star by Lynn Spears. Winter is gone, Spring is here. Life seems so good. It's a new year. She's a great gift. A gift of spring. You just enjoy watching. She will dance and sing. Cruel world, turn away, spare my little star Let her wit and charming beauty go very far. There's a kindred spirit that's thrilling to see, the closeness that we feel. It's so fulfilling to me. Parentheses written when Brittany was just a toddler.

[Sam Reese]

So now this sounds like. Written by Britney when she was a toddler. Cause this is.

[Chelsea Devantez]

It sounds like it, but it is, in fact, definitely Lynn Spears. I'm just going through my notes here, and it says propaganda scrapbook. I want to get to more fiction. So at one point, her brother Brian writes in the book. Now we know that Brian was forced into sports from Jamie, their horrible father, but, like, couldn't really do it. Like, felt, I don't know, pretty abused, you know, and, like, just a huge disappointment to his father. Here's what Brian supposedly wrote. In 2000, in high school, all these boys were wanting to ask Brittany out, but they had to get not just daddy's approval, but mine as well. I was a big football player, so I think a lot of them chickened out because they were afraid of me. Now when I see her all grown up on these magazine covers, looking all glamorous, I hate it. And I tell her so I. I say, take that goop off your face. You look ridiculous. I understand. It's part of the business, but it's so fun to tease her all the time. All right, Brian, if this is you, you have problems.

[Sam Reese]

That feels like something maybe Jamie daddy said a lot and baby brother learned.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Or Lynn has now put on a football helmet and is pretending to be her son. I think Lynn is getting she's writing poems, she's in character.

[Sam Reese]

Lynn is locked in a room with all these dolls putting on pretending to be every character in this book.

[Chelsea Devantez]

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[Sam Reese]

During a house call, she found Jack had an issue.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Jack's blood pressure was dangerously high.

[Sam Reese]

It was 217 over 110.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So they got Jack to the hospital and got him the help he needed. He had had a stent placed in his heart, preventing a massive heart attack.

[Sam Reese]

If it wasn't for my Guardian Angel.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I wouldn't be here. Hear more stories like [e-mail] benefits, features.

[Sam Reese]

And or devices vary by plan.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Area limitation and exclusions apply. Okay, let's dive back into the episode. Now. Here's a little tidbit that we've all talked about, but it is so funny. So supposedly in Britney's voice, she's talking about Star Search, and she says, the first time I was on, I won. I beat this little girl who sang opera. I got three and three quarter stars, four being perfect, and she got three and a half. Ed McMahon, the show's host, joked around with me. He asked if I had a boyfriend back home. And when I said no, he asked if he would do. I told him I'd have to think about it. Can you imagine? So this was an old, old man, and she was 10, and on television, he asked to be her gross old boyfriend.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah, I think I put the book down when I read that for a second.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Sure. Yeah. I mean, it does remind me when people are like, that baby's flirting with me. Are you my boyfriend, baby? And you're like, you gotta stop sexualizing that baby, please.

[Sam Reese]

But maybe, you know, you grow up with dolls and you're like, that's what I am.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Everyone's my baby. So then I want to take us to page 67.

[Sam Reese]

I'd love to go there.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Lynn's love letters. I always give my family and friends poems on special occasions. Birthdays, graduations, weddings, or simply, for no reason, just to tell them how much I love them. Sometimes when we're traveling, Brit and I write poems together. Maybe one day they'll wind up as lyrics in one of her songs. Lynn, you stupid bitch. Stop. Stop trying to write her music. God, you do not co write poems. Because all the poems in this book are by Lynn Spears. This one in particular sums up our philosophy on faith in taking chances. The birth of a new horizon, Dawning of a new day. Will the birds sing or will the sky be gray? There is no promise in life. One must know. If the path was easy, one could not grow.

[Sam Reese]

Okay, thank you for putting that in there. Sure. Lynn.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Honestly, I think she could have made a faithful like Precious Moments tear off calendar.

[Sam Reese]

That or her very own Chicken Soup for the Soul poems book.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I think that's right. I think she probably tried, and they were like, you don't have enough poems or something. So then we get to my favorite part of the book where there's pictures of Britney with her Mickey Mouse Club Mouseketeers, best friends. And there's a ton of photos. And in photo, four separate photos, she's like, here's me and my best friend Ryan Gosling. And I said, oh, wow. He, like, he really must have grown into his face. Like, he looked really different as a kid. That's right. There he is. And then on another page, it's like, here's me and Ryan Gosling. And I was like, I just. Was Ryan Gosling a brunette as a child. That's pretty weird. Then on another page, she's like, here's me and Ryan Gosling laying down across all of us. And Ryan Gosling is sitting next to her and a different child entirely is laying across them.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

This is why I'm like, Brittany never even looked at this because she would.

[Sam Reese]

Have been like, mom, that's not Ryan Gosling.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So it's like. But so multiple photos they're putting up there. Like, here she is with Ryan Gosling. And like all these adults and editors 2000 AI like, doesn't know that they have mislabeled a child multiple times in the book.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah, that sounds right. If Lynn says that Ryan Gosling, then Bernie says that's Ryan Gosling as well.

[Chelsea Devantez]

That's right.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So I took it to the Glamour stretch, Instagram within moments. This is one of the craziest things that's ever happened. Ten different people. And you have to understand that this is so many people. For what I'm about to say, 10 different people were like, oh, that's TJ Fantini. That's not Ryan Gosling. That's TJ Fantini. Now one of those people was like, because I looked up the Mouseketeers cast and that's him. Nine of those people said, that's my city councilman in Washington state, T.J. fantini. And multiple people had salacious gossip filled stories about T.J. fantini that I will not repeat here because I will not be Dumois. And I have not fact checked these people. But like, horrifying things about TJ Fantini came into my DMs and he is currently sitting on the council.

[Sam Reese]

That checks out. That makes sense.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Literally, people were like, my councilman, my.

[Sam Reese]

Evil councilman is laying on Britney Spears lap next to Ryan Gosling.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Like, I didn't even know he was a musketeer.

[Sam Reese]

He doesn't want you to know that.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Why do so many people one know what their councilman looked like? I'm truly impressed by all of you because first of all, I might know a name. I'M not knowing a face. They knew a face. 2. So many cookies in Washington state.

[Sam Reese]

Hello, Hello, Fan base.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Three personal connections. One woman was like, my best friend used to date TJ Fantini.

[Sam Reese]

Small town. TJ gets around.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay. And to tj, I say, when did you decide that entertainment wasn't for you anymore? Because you're, you know, the kids you came up with are Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Ryan Gosling, Keri Russell.

[Sam Reese]

Would you ever have him on the pod?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Tj, I would love to book you on the pod. If you'd like to tell your side of the story. We are arms open.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, my God. Yeah. When I saw that, I almost didn't, like, register it. I was like, oh, it's like a typo. But then you pointed out there are three to four photos in a row where they call it Ryan Gosling. And I was like, that's right. Ryan Gosling as a child looks exactly like Ryan Gosling as an adult. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I said, oh, there's Ryan Gosling. It's a. It's a replica of him. Yeah. Well, look at that.

[Sam Reese]

Wow. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So then, as is Lynn's other book, this one acts as a defense of her as a mother.

[Sam Reese]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devantez]

A good God loving mother. Into purity culture. She writes this. I'm all for individuality and creativity and fashion, but I would not be honest if I told you I approved of every outfit Britney has wanted to wear. And I'm not just talking about now. Even when she was in high school, she and her girlfriends used to wear some of those crazy trends that went in and out, but I don't see any real harm in it. I don't believe that makes me a bad mother either. People have criticized Britney for dressing a little too sexy for her age. Well, this is what I have to say to that. She dresses appropriately for where she's at in the business she's in. And then she said, and if I'm not there, then Larry, her manager, and her friend Faye are the ones in charge. And let me tell you, sometimes they're more conservative than mama. Now, Larry was a lawyer. He's a grown adult man. Lawyer. So he's signing off on these teenage outfits. Again, not a manager. I mean, he is her manager now, but he was a lawyer.

[Sam Reese]

And he. I don't remember from her memoir or just in general, is. He's bad, terrible guy.

[Chelsea Devantez]

So Larry is really fascinating to me because Larry has escaped the press, really. He's escaped this narrative. And Larry still on the payroll, right? Larry's still there. Larry's still in photos together. He was a literal entertainment lawyer which I don't know how to explain this but it's. That's extremely different than a music manager. Lynn got a hold of him through like some connection and called him up and was like what do you think about my kid? And he said I'll become a music manager and manage Britney. Like left being a lawyer, but in his heart he's a lawyer and he is, he is still on Britney's team.

[Sam Reese]

I don't know what page this is on but there's a point in the book when everything turns to color. Page 79 I believe. Yes. But there's a quote that says Brits manager Larry has been like family to her. I know he loves her almost as much as Britney's daddy and I do like her lawyer.

[Chelsea Devantez]

You want that? You want that? You want her music manager who makes her business decisions to be second daddy?

[Sam Reese]

Do you think they had an affair?

[Chelsea Devantez]

No, because I think she would have been like the devil said you caused this trouble, like get out or something. She then wrote this. I can totally understand why Larry had no idea how to advise us because he's a lawyer. A lot can change between the ages of 13 and 15. What if I looked like a goob and my voice had changed? At least he was honest about it, which is what I loved most about Larry. He'll tell you exactly what he's thinking. No beating around the bush. So he asked us to send him some current pictures and a demo tape. A demo tape? Was he kidding? I didn't have anything like that. Did he know how expensive those are to make? But he said it didn't matter what kind of recording I sent. He told my mom to just hold a tape recorder and let me sing into it. So we made a recording and shipped it off to Larry. I, by some small miracle, he liked what he saw and heard. Because he was a lawyer. He told me he would shot me around to some record labels. But first I needed a real demo. So it's just so funny to me that it's just like yeah, this man saw a star but he wasn't like doing you a favor. He left an entire lucrative career behind.

[Sam Reese]

To make money off of a child.

[Chelsea Devantez]

To make money off of a 13 year old. Even though he had no idea how to advise you.

[Sam Reese]

Okay, why are you still on the payroll?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Still in some pictures. Okay, so we take another little tangent. This is Lynn writing and she's like Brit has a curfew when she's home today. Okay, I Can't control what she does on the road. But when she's under my roof, I want to know she's safe. Both Brit and Brian, her older brother, have always respected my wishes. Lol. And they've always confided in me. Bri, Brian's now engaged and will be getting married to a lovely girl now, Sam. For $14 million. What is the name of the woman Brian got married to?

[Sam Reese]

I'm gonna guess it's Lynn.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Really close. It's Blaze. And that is B, L, A, I, Z, E. Okay.

[Sam Reese]

Hell yeah, Brian and Blaze. Where is Blaze now? Let's see.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Let's look. I gotta know where Blaze is.

[Sam Reese]

I just know she's out of his league.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay, I want to say this when I go to Brian's Wikipedia. The only spouse he has listed is Graciela Sanchez. Married in 2008, divorced in 2017. So Blaze never made it to the wiki. I don't know if that means they never got married, even though Lynn printed it in a fucking book. And I also want to say that seven months ago, Brian's new girlfriend, Amberlynn Conklin, she posted an Instagram story accusing him of like. Okay, actually, should I read this post?

[Sam Reese]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay, so again, this is Brian Spears, I guess, probably now ex girlfriend. Seven months ago, this went up on her Instagram. Brian, why don't you tell B how you talk shit about her to security, Nina and everyone else in her life, like Cade, who is Britney's current agent, your mom, me, and all your friends. You love to control Britney and use all her money. Poor girl is posting photos of you thinking you're being a good brother, yet I have recordings of what the fuck is your actual agenda. Do yourself a favor and stop with the Mexican meth and bullshit and harassing me every day, telling me I'm cheating on you while I am watching a movie with my mom, and then find out you're in Mexico back for more drugs while you haven't been by my side one day of cancer. Fuck. You keep drugging your sister and living off her money, then complaining to everyone she's hallucinating and talking to walls. You are going to kill your sister. Like, my brother died, so. Were you expecting me to read that?

[Sam Reese]

Is Amber still alive? Is she okay?

[Chelsea Devantez]

It's like after.

[Sam Reese]

After posting that she would disappear.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah. Let's go check on Amber.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Devantez]

At this moment in time, do you think Blaze is reading that? Being, like, told you so?

[Sam Reese]

I hope so.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Stayed with old Blaze.

[Sam Reese]

I feel like Blaze is on the beach with A cigarette. Like, you'll never believe this, but I dated Britney Spears brother.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I was so engaged to him. Lin believed we were getting married. Okay. Amberlynn Conklin is cancer free. And so she's okay. She's alive. I'm looking at a picture of her bare, but it's looking good, smooth, nice. It's a thong shot. We're zooming in. I don't see Brian anywhere on the grid.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah, there's a few. There's a few stories she posted. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he has a section here called Brotherly Love on page 49.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Let's get into Brotherly Love because we're really on theme right now. But I think those allegations are so intense and heinous. And also I hate that what makes the news is like Britney Spears posted another wild caption or video or something nonsensical. But when this woman is like her brother is drugging her to keep getting her money, that doesn't make the news.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, totally. Like the paparazzi has not. The media has not changed their narrative at all around Britney.

[Chelsea Devantez]

It's still just like, it's like, make that a headline. Make someone look into that. Go. You know what I mean?

[Sam Reese]

Yeah. Even from her memoir, I was really surprised. The reaction wasn't really like, yeah, listen to all this fucked up stuff her parents did. It was like. And who was the actress who did.

[Chelsea Devantez]

The voiceover for Michelle Williams?

[Sam Reese]

Michelle Williams is like. Michelle Williams was so good.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Well, thankfully John Chu and Marc Platt are making the Britney Spears biopic from her memoir and Britney is a producer.

[Sam Reese]

And they are doing a TikTok search for the talent.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I'm in on it. Listen, should we audition?

[Sam Reese]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Now I want to tell you what role I actually do want to play. And God, I'm going to lose it to you, Sam. You're going to be better at it. I think we could both go up for the role of Faye. Now, when Britney Spears was being sent off as a 16 year old to Sweden to write her music. Have music. Yes. To take Lynn's poems, show them to Swedish producers and get, you know, hit me baby one more time written, Lynn was like, well, I can't leave because I'm gonna make Jamie Lynn Spears, her younger daughter, into a star. So someone else has to go with Britney on all this. Not to mention, at this point in life, Jamie is like setting all their money on fire and a wild alcoholic and abusive. I'm sure she felt like she couldn't leave. So she's like, I need someone to chaperone Britney. Okay, this is Britney writing Enter Felicia Culada. I call her Faye, and so does practically everyone else because it just suits her better. She's my guardian and goes with me everywhere. But I really think of her more as a big sister. She used to be A. For $14 million. What was her job, Sam?

[Sam Reese]

Oh, God, I don't remember. $14 million. What? I'm giving it up. What was she?

[Chelsea Devantez]

A pediatric dental hygienist, Just like my mama's girlfriend, Jill. And it was Jill who introduced her to my mom. So let's take a beat here.

[Sam Reese]

Mm.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Lynn Spears said, who should chaperone my daughter through the hardest years of her life and protect her in the most difficult industry there could be for a young girl.

[Sam Reese]

Who do I trust with my child?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Who do I trust? My friend Jill's friend who has experience in dentistry.

[Sam Reese]

Pediatric. That's why she's qualified.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Right, Right. And then Faye is in charge of Britney. And then when they want to isolate Britney and put her in a conservatorship, they just throw Faye away.

[Sam Reese]

And is Faye still kind of part of things now?

[Chelsea Devantez]

So. So Faye has been in the documentary being like, it was really sad losing Britney, and her dad, like, pushed me out of her life, and I've, like, haven't spoken to her.

[Sam Reese]

Okay, this is a total sidebar. Have you listened to that podcast, Mystery show by Starly Kind?

[Chelsea Devantez]

I have, because you sent it to me. Please tell all of our listeners this episode, because everyone should listen to it.

[Sam Reese]

It's so good. Okay, so there's this podcast called Mystery show where the host, Starlykind, solves mysteries without using the Internet. And they're all really cute adventures, really poignant, funny. They're all. There's all different types, but there's one where somebody saw a picture of Britney holding her book in, like, a paparazzi photo. And so she was like, starly, help me figure out how Brittany found my book. And I remember in this story, I think Faye is in it, and she's at the meet and greet being like, don't move too fast. Don't look Britney in the eye or whatever. And Brittany's, like, totally normal and sweet and kind to everyone, but everyone's like, don't touch the wild animal. You know? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Fae.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I think that's right. And also, I love that episode because the author who sees her book being held by Britney is like, my book bombed, and no one bought it. Like, four copies of this thing sold. Like, how did it get to Britney's hands. Yeah. Everyone go look up Mystery show, the Britney Spears episode.

[Sam Reese]

So good.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah, I mean, it's really tough. We're almost at the end of this handful of paper when Brittany herself. Can you believe it? Brittany herself wrote this. I don't really love the club scene anyway. Sometimes it makes me uncomfortable. I've been in a couple of clubs where people are drinking a lot and doing drugs, and I'm like, get me out of here. I don't understand that behavior. It's just so uncalled for. How much fun did Lynn have writing that fan fiction?

[Sam Reese]

Okay, on page 83, this is Britney writing technically, mirror, mirror. I can remember being 12 or 13 and hating the way I looked. I hated my hair too thin. I hated my nose too big. I hated my teeth. They stuck out funny and were crooked. I even hated my feet. I would look at Keri Russell when we were on Mickey Mouse Club, and I'd want to so badly look and be like her. And if, in fact, Lynn is writing Britney in this. What the fuck is that?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah, if, in fact, she didn't write that's the darkest thing we've ever encountered.

[Sam Reese]

Holy shit.

[Chelsea Devantez]

I just. It's really hard for me to believe she had a hand in this in any way. Which means Lyn was like, here's some of her flaws.

[Sam Reese]

Exactly. Here's what I think. And, you know, it's possible some of this is stuff Britney said, like, in radio interviews or, like, in literal J14 interviews. And her mom sort of, like, compiling them and pinning them on the walls with the red yarn and trying to string it all together.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And let's see, how old was Britney in 2000.

[Sam Reese]

That was something I did hate about this is. The age jumps around so much.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah. Because she's 19 years old when this book is being published. And that is when Britney is, like, getting independence and being like, leave me the hell alone. And I think this is already, like, reputation cleanup from her mom. Like, she's just a regular gal who hates her body just like you do.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

You know what I mean? It's like, don't worry. She thinks she's ugly. Don't be jealous. Oh, she's just a regular girl who's an idiot.

[Sam Reese]

Exactly. And I'm an incredible mom for raising this perfect woman who is normal.

[Chelsea Devantez]

They filled perfect mom. Let's see, what was going on in 2000 for Britney. So she. I mean, she's still singing Hit Me, Baby One More time. You know what I mean?

[Sam Reese]

That's still on tour, because that was, what, 1998?

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yep. And in 2000, she's, like, on SNL. And, like, so she's still at the height of fame, but it's sort of like, when did that Rolling Stone cover come out? That's 1999. So this book is like, you know, she's a superstar. But also, this is when all of the news headlines were like, britney Spears is making your child suck dick. Like, the way Britney Spears wore a crop top, and she's ruining America. And, like, everyone is like, why are you such a slut? So I think this book was trying to, like, be like, she's just a regular gal who loves her mom.

[Sam Reese]

Imagine getting that call, Lynn being like, they want me to write a book.

[Chelsea Devantez]

They want to publish my poems.

[Sam Reese]

I'm gonna snake those poems in there. Don't worry. Ooh, here's a good quote. It's hard to be a mama sometimes when your daughter is running all over the world. But sometimes I do get to travel with her, and I love to travel.

[Chelsea Devantez]

It's hard to be a mama when she's running all over the world, but sometimes I get to travel with her. Lynn, you hired another woman to go in your place.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, and then, yeah, Jamie.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Little Jamie is like a whole nother little Jamie.

[Sam Reese]

Lynn, he said that she's got some quotes in here, too. One of the things that is obviously very inconsistent with the writing that would be a note as an editor to Lynn is she's contradicting herself. Every other line.

[Chelsea Devantez]

That's right.

[Sam Reese]

Right. Like, they talk a lot about how they're really honest with their children about their finances. And then there's a lot of, like, don't worry about what it costs. Just do your best. And then a lot of like, we don't have the money to do that. And now Britney has tons of money. It's just back and forth.

[Chelsea Devantez]

It's also a lot of lies. We know it from Lynn's later memoir, Britney's memoir, But, like, their dad was, like, spending all the money on alcohol and casinos and things like that. But in this book, she's like, the contracting business wasn't as busy as usual, and so we had some hard times where our electricity was turned off. And then in her later memoir, she's like, so he did run up a phone bill of $900. He said someone stole his phone, but then we couldn't pay our electric, and it was turned off. And then in Britney's memoir, she's like, my dad was horrifically abusive. He quit Jobs. He couldn't pay for anything. And that's when I was auditioning to Save the Family.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah. Literally, I'm looking at these NSYNC pictures. Also, like, the fact that Justin is, like, not really. When did that happen? He's. Yeah, he's not a narrative at all. Which is like, clearly she has no idea it's happening.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Like, she would have been like. And my future boyfriend, Justin timberlake. Okay, it's 2001, when Britney and Justin show up to the American Music Awards. And matching denim. So they are. They've been together and. Yeah, not in this book at all.

[Sam Reese]

There's more pictures of T.J. fantini than there are mentions of Justin Timberlake. That's exactly right.

[Chelsea Devantez]

That is exactly right. Oh, wait a minute. No, wait a minute. There's another core trauma I want to pull out. Okay, hold on. I'm very excited about this. Okay, so before we get to the very end of the book, I want to pull out another court trauma I found in this insane thing. So Lynn is writing this, and she says maybe out of necessity, we learn to be creative. This is them, like, coming from humble beginnings. You know, all those moms on TV who are always in the kitchen in those cute little aprons baking cookies and brownies. Well, forget it. We couldn't afford many of the ingredients, so instead we'd make ice cream smoothies. Now, one of Britt's main posts calling her sister Jamie Lynn a little devil monster is like, remember when mom made me serve you ice cream smoothies and your little chocolate milkshakes? And, like, I was performing and on tour, and when I came home, the caption is something like, you were the little princess, and I had to serve you your little ice cream smoothies over and over again. And I said, wow, we have found them. We have found the core wound. And it's because they couldn't afford the ingredients for cookies.

[Sam Reese]

Ice cream smoothies ruined a sisterhood.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Talk about a contradiction. An ice cream smoothie. It's called a milkshake. It's called milkshake.

[Sam Reese]

There's a shorter word you could use.

[Chelsea Devantez]

For that, you guys, and it's milkshake. All right, so at the end of the book, the very last page is a picture of Britney Spears. And it says, it's a beautiful quote that says, brittany hasn't even begun to show the world what she can do yet from Larry Rudolph, manager. And the last paragraph of the book is this. There might come a day, although it's a long way off, when performing won't Be my top priority. And raising a family will. I know I'll always have music in my life, whether it's singing, writing, or even producing. But I think it's really important when you have a family that you're there with your kids. Hmm. Lynn. Jamie. Interesting.

[Sam Reese]

Interesting.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Those are the little moments that make life so special. I know a lot of people in the entertainment industry who have their kids on tour with them, and if they can work it out, that's cool, that's fine. But I just know the way I was brought up, and I would prefer them to be in more of a home environment, something more stable than being on a bus. I want to be the kind of mom my mama was for me. And I bet she'd make an amazing grandma.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, yeah. Brittany wrote that for sure.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Every lesson she taught me about what it is to be a good and kind person, about never losing hope when there doesn't seem to be any hope left. Those are the things I want to hand down to my children one day. I'd like my kids to one day read this book and realize how many people my mama especially helped me get where I am. And if I'm real lucky, there are a lot more chapters in my story still to come. You know, I can't wait to fill them. Fill the chapters of the AI book. Yes. And mama, she'll be encouraging me to turn those pages one by one. So that's three mama references and one final paragraph about what an amazing grandma she is. Well, spoiler. Lynn, you weren't.

[Sam Reese]

You weren't. And then the photo that is over the Larry Manager quote is like a missing person's photo.

[Chelsea Devantez]

That's right. It is a black and white. Like, have you seen this woman?

[Sam Reese]

Yeah, and we haven't. And we'd like to. And we'd like to.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Heart breaking book. It is time for the booktool test. Are you ready? Three questions. Was the author vulnerable in the sharing of her truth?

[Sam Reese]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Yeah. Those poems, Those rhyming poems really got me.

[Sam Reese]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Was it entertaining to read?

[Sam Reese]

God, define entertaining.

[Chelsea Devantez]

You know, I'll tell you what. Those DMS about TJ Fantini were a million times more entertaining than this pile of pages. So I'm going with no.

[Sam Reese]

No. That's a no.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Final question. Did reading this book elevate your life in any way?

[Sam Reese]

It elevated my desire to see just for Britney Spears.

[Chelsea Devantez]

And we still haven't fully seen justice yet. No, we've gotten some, but not all of it.

[Sam Reese]

There's more.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Did it elevate my life in any way. Yes, in the tiny, tiny way of when your parents lie to you with the best of intentions. Like, year 2000 is pretend you're normal, pretend you have money, pretend this Abercrombie shirt says Abercrombie and not Abramomby from TJ Maxx or whatever. You got it. Like, we're all pretending to be normal and finding cool, and Lynn Spears is pretending to be a good, faithful mother. So I get the like, yes, that's how we're lying. But when you lie about your child's life, those are perceptions you can then carry with you. Even if it feels bad to, like, admit where things went wrong in your life, in your child's life. That is the healthier path than trying to, like, wave a wand and being like, it was all fine. I still have your dolls. It was fine. I have some dolls still.

[Sam Reese]

The tales you tell that you then convince yourself to believe are true. Like, how much of this is she now just internalizing to be like, that's what happened. And then not taking accountability? What a disaster.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Lynn Spears. What a disaster. I will not be buying any, any Rodan Fields from you.

[Sam Reese]

Rodan Fields is proactive. Right? We figured that out.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Okay. Our producer Christina just came in to say, yes, it is proactive. Rodan and Field are the last names of the two dermatologists who invented it.

[Sam Reese]

We were all fucking had by all these people.

[Chelsea Devantez]

All these people. Oh, my God. Tell everyone where they can find you what you want them looking for. Supporting, clicking, liking, all of it.

[Sam Reese]

Oh, incredible. Well, you can always find me on Instagram and TikTok. Amrecetv. We have changed the handle from Shitty Craft Club so that I don't niche myself down. And you can find my podcast, Talk Girl. It's all about Y2K, nostalgia and girlhood and the traumas we endured together. And it's also fun and funny and we talk about butterfly clips and proactive.

[Chelsea Devantez]

And my episode was specifically about the Chicken Soup for the Soul series, which is deeply impacted me in ways I'm still trying to undo. So listen to that episode.

[Sam Reese]

Yes, there are so many. Chicken Soup for the Souls will never undo all of the trauma they handed to us.

[Chelsea Devantez]

Sam, thank you so much for coming on, and I hope when I see you again, it is for another podcast.

[Sam Reese]

You know it will be. Can't wait.

[Chelsea Devantez]

A big thank you to our senior managing producer, Christina Lopez, our executive producer, Jordan Moncada, our sound engineer, Marcus Hamm, and our amazing associate producer, Jaron Padre. I also want to give a huge thank you to our incredible partners over at Thrive Cosmetics and every plate. We will link to those brands in the show notes. Go check them out. Everything else we discussed is also linked in the show notes. And if you have questions, thoughts, comments, go to the Patreon sign up. There's a free tier you can join, leave a comment, chat with your fellow cookies. We will keep the book club continuing over there.