Chappell Roan Controversy, The False Prophet Documentary, and Rhode Island Housewives!

Summary

Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast

Episode Summary – April 17, 2026

Episode Title: Chappell Roan Controversy, The False Prophet Documentary, and Rhode Island Housewives!
Host: Chelsea Devantez
Co-host: Christina Lopez

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Overview

This "Cookie Jar" episode of Glamorous Trash is a freewheeling, multi-topic roundtable diving into celebrity controversies, book club picks, cult documentaries, reality TV, and the intersection of online culture and female celebrity. Chelsea and Christina touch on everything from recent health and trauma book debates, to the Chappell Roan internet pile-on, Netflix’s "False Prophet" doc, Taylor Frankie Paul’s legal saga, and the debut of Real Housewives of Rhode Island. The conversational, comedic tone is matched with thoughtfulness and critical insight—a hallmark of the Glamorous Trash universe.

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Key Discussion Points and Timestamps

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1. Cookie Jar Episodes & Book Club Announcements

[01:02–05:57]

• The Cookie Jar format is explained as an episode “where we take everything that doesn’t fit into our books episode” (Chelsea, 01:13).
• Announcement: A new book club on Ask Not the Women the Kennedys Destroyed, May 17th, open to the public for $10 via Patreon or for "sugar cookie" tier members.
• The Kennedy women’s stories and recent fascination via celebrity memoirs and TV series like the “Love Story” (JFK Jr./Carolyn Bessette) are discussed.
  • “I think the Kennedy fascination is odd ... I’m very interested in this book because it’s a perspective on the women which really gets ignored in Kennedy history.” (Chelsea, 03:52)

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2. Christina Applegate Memoir Health Claims, Trauma Books & Listener Feedback

[06:13–12:29]

• Listener “K” investigated a statistic from Applegate’s memoir about trauma and MS; found the risk was overstated.
  • “...Christina Applegate's quote said a 93% risk rate for MS with all three forms of childhood trauma. That is not what the study says...” (Christina, 07:15)
• Chelsea discusses skepticism and the tightrope walk between wellness truths and medical misinformation.
  • “One wrong move and I'm a fucking goop.” (Chelsea, 09:10)
• Lists controversial books listeners wrote in about: Metaphysical Anatomy, Messages from the Body, Heal Your Body, etc.
  • “I think this might be like astrology, where, like, there's some astrology books that are, like, sick...and there's other astrology books where it's, like, AI wrote this for funsies because people would buy it.” (Chelsea, 11:41)

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3. Chappell Roan Internet Controversy

[16:06–25:37]

• The story: A celebrity couple (including Jude Law’s ex) accused Chappell Roan of being rude via a security guard who scolded their child for approaching her in public. Social media turned on Roan.
  • “Even if Chappell had sent her security guard to do that—she did not—the parents harnessed the masses of the internet to be mad at Chappell Roan.” (Chelsea, 17:25)
• Security guard later revealed he wasn’t her staff; bots amplified the backlash.
  • “Gudea...flagged to BuzzFeed...4.2% of the users...were likely to be bots...over 23% of the posts.” (Christina, 21:16)
• Cultural critique: Chappell Roan is a lightning rod because of boundary-drawing and activism; misogyny and the internet’s appetite for tearing down women are dissected.
  • “The same people who...analyzed...how this exact behavior destroyed a woman, like Britney Spears, among many others...to see a pop star come up now and try and draw boundaries...and to be so mad at her for that...” (Chelsea, 23:05)

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4. Smut Corner: Ruby Dixon – ‘Servant to the Spidae’

[25:56–28:33]

• Smut correspondent Claire Linick enthusiastically recommends Ruby Dixon’s "Servant to the Spidae" as delightfully “wackadoodle” yet consent-driven alien romance.
  • “It does kind of become a love story. But it’s wild at the start...the fates she’s tied to are, you guessed it, spider people.” (Claire, 27:35)
  • Rates it 4.5/5 on the Smut Scale.

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5. False Prophet: Netflix FLDS Documentary Review

[28:36–36:38]

• Chelsea reviews "False Prophet," a documentary on the FLDS Mormon community and a new cult leader post-Warren Jeffs.
• Critiques the documentary’s approach for being self-centered and “star of their own documentary,” but praises the inclusion of women’s perspectives in later episodes.
  • “It really is clear, at least to me, that they…went there to get some shine off of getting, like, cultish figures on camera.” (Chelsea, 29:10)
  • “...prison set me free because I didn’t receive this indoctrination every day...” (Chelsea, 34:00)
• Ultimately recommends finishing the doc for the survivor stories.

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6. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives/Bachelor-Taylor Frankie Paul Legal Update

[37:52–41:51]

• Updates on Taylor Frankie Paul: New domestic violence charges dropped; original offense led to ongoing probation; her status within the Mormon Church has officially changed.
  • “She pled guilty and has been on probation for three years...they’ve been filming the show around her.” (Chelsea, 38:08)
• The hosts speculate on whether her Bachelor season will air and reflect on the cultural spectacle of watching scandals unfold.

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7. Pop Culture Quick Hits: Housewives, Lauren Sanchez Bezos

[43:01–48:14]

• Chelsea enjoys Real Housewives of Rhode Island, noting cast confusion and the return of Ashley (of Bachelor fame) and husband Jared.
  • “I am loving it. It is just enough silly, ridiculous boating drama that I’m having fun.” (Chelsea, 44:47)
• Critiques Lauren Sanchez Bezos’ press campaign and resentment for being called out for ostentatious displays of wealth.
  • “[If] I find myself even remotely near that kind of wealth...I hope you never hear from me again.” (Chelsea, 47:18)
  • “Anyone who is a literal fucking billionaire using the word ‘bully’…really misunderstanding what the word means.” (Chelsea, 46:36)

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8. Sports Scandal: Diana Russini, NFL, and Gendered Media Coverage

[48:14–54:48]

• Diana Russini, prominent sports broadcaster, ensnared in scandal after evidence of a potential affair with a married NFL coach surfaced; clips of her joking about her marriage resurfaced, social/industry speculation exploded.
  • Memorable moments: Russini’s candid, sometimes self-deprecating on-air jokes about marital woes (“We’ve never been more disconnected in our lives. Our text messages look like two robots.” – Diana Russini, 51:09)
• Discussion of double standards: Male sports journalists haven’t faced the same consequences for intermingling business and pleasure.
  • “Does everyone have to resign when they’re having an affair? Like, is it because they crossed some sort of ethical boundaries?...Why isn’t most of the NFL fired?” (Chelsea, 52:15)
• The Athletic/NYT’s strict guidelines possibly drove her resignation, mixed with sexist media storm.

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9. Personal Updates and Closing

[55:06–61:12]

• Christina’s niece gets into her desired middle school, leading to a brief, heartwarming discussion on encouraging young artists.
• Chelsea’s embarrassing but inspiring childhood audition story, plus a candid therapy-style digression on being told she was “too prepared” in earlier job interviews.
  • “I was called ‘Tracy Flick’...my agent said, you made the other two male producers look like doofuses...they didn’t like it.” (Chelsea, 57:49)
• Tattoo removal update: Chelsea describes the emotional journey of removing an old symbolic tattoo.
  • “I got it for the meaning, and this is amazing to say, but I feel like I did it. It has done its job, and now it can leave.” (Chelsea, 60:52)
• Podcast plugs: Reminder about Patreon-exclusive videos and the upcoming Brandy memoir episode.

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Memorable Quotes

• “The same people who...how this exact behavior destroyed a woman...to see a pop star come up now and try and draw boundaries...and to be so mad at her for that.”
  —Chelsea (23:05), on Chappell Roan and toxic celebrity culture

• “What if he has a shame kink? What if he’s loving it?”
  —Christina (54:43), on Diana Russini’s publicly roasted husband

• “Anyone who is a literal fucking billionaire using the word bully, not describing themselves, really misunderstanding what the word means and how a power dynamic is involved—you’re just such an idiot.”
  —Chelsea (46:36), on Lauren Sanchez Bezos

• “I think this might be like astrology...some astrology books are sick...there’s other astrology books where it’s like, AI wrote this for funsies because people would buy it.”
  —Chelsea (11:41), on the proliferation of pseudoscientific trauma/health books

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Flow & Tone

As always, the tone is irreverently insightful—balancing sharp humor, personal candor, and media literacy. Chelsea is candid, passionate, and willing to self-diagnose her “anger” or “therapy” moments. Christina acts as both co-conspirator and thoughtful straight-woman, often grounding the conversation.

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Additional Resources

• BuzzFeed Bots Analysis (See show notes)
• Patreon Access & Book Club Details: May 17 – "Ask Not the Women the Kennedys Destroyed"
• Upcoming: Brandy’s Memoir episode, possible Lena Dunham workaround.
• For exclusive videos, join Patreon—videos feature images, references, and more visual context from each episode.

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Useful Links (From Episode Discussion)

• Thrive Cosmetics discount: thrivecosmetics.com/glamorous
• Quince discount: quince.com/glamorous

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For New Listeners

This summary covers the substance of the “Cookie Jar” episode—expect a rapid-fire, sincere, and funny discussion of pop culture, memoir, controversy, and the ways women are depicted (and persecuted) in media. Chelsea and Christina’s warmth and wit invite listeners to re-examine headlines (and their own reactions) with empathy and skepticism in equal measure.

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[A]

Hey, Chelsea. What's going on?

[B]

Hi. Hi. Hi, Hi. Hi. Are you ready for today's cookie jar? We got a weird little grouping.

[A]

Yeah, it is a little weird. But you know what? I'm down with the weird. I'm. I'm here for the dried. Let's go.

[B]

Here for the ride. Let's go. Beep, beep. Well, let's start with some news from glamorous trash, which is that you have Put together another book club event where we do, like, a real ass book club. We did this last year with Girl on Girl because it just felt like such a book for us. It was nonfiction, and it was discussing how the 2000s basically ruined our lives through pop culture, which is a thesis I carry with me every day. And we did, like, a zoom book club where basically I had some slides and something to take us through. But then we heard from everyone and their thoughts on the book. It was so great. We put the episode out as a recording on Patreon. And so it's just for the people who, like, really want a book club. Everyone is so fun and smart and thoughtful. It was one of my favorite episodes. And I didn't talk at all. It was everyone else. And now we're doing it again. With what book, Christina?

[A]

It's called Ask not the Women the Kennedys Destroyed. And essentially we've been asked to do this book before. We've kind of had iterations of plans on doing it. But I think the Kennedy drama has come up quite a few times in the latest rounds of memoirs that we've done over the last, like, six months, I want to say. And also there was the Love Story series that Talked all about JFK Jr. S romance with Carolyn Doucette.

[B]

Yeah, that was Ryan Murphy. Did you watch?

[A]

I watched, I think, four or five episodes. I didn't make it all the way through.

[B]

I think that's right. Yeah. I also watched. I'm not. I think the Kennedy fascination is odd. And so I actually did not know a lot at all. And so I would say there was a part of the episodes that were really interesting. Cause I was just like, what? But then I had to go and read, like, oh, Daryl Hannah didn't act like that. And so I am very interested in this book because it's a perspective on the women which really gets ignored in Kennedy history.

[A]

Yes. Especially like women in their own family, their sisters, and also the women that marry into the family and all that bagg that comes from it.

[B]

Ever since we did Cheryl Hines memoir and Olivia Newsy's memoir and then the dueling memoir episode, that's where my Kennedy fascination comes from. I know that's. No one else has it from that. Everyone else has it from, like, Jackie O. But my fascination is via Cheryl Hines, and I'm excited. Okay. So can anyone join the book club?

[A]

Yeah. So for our sugar cookies, it'll be free for those members, but anyone could be able to join the book club. We'll price it at around $10. And for $10, you can sit in on the book club, the Zoom Book Club. And like, for the Patreons and for subscribers, we post the audio. So you will get it if you can't make it to the book club that day.

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Yeah. But if you wanna read it and have a great book club discussion, we will have that coming for you.

[A]

And the book club is on May 17th. And we'll put out the Zoom link. All the info will be on the Patreon.

[B]

The last one was so great. And also, you don't have to. If you're just more of like, I wanna listen, or you start reading the book but you don't finish, you can come and just listen and take part. Because you don't have to speak. There's no pressure.

[A]

Yes, it's cozy. It's a cozy.

[B]

It's a cozy book club about the women who were destroyed in America, which was also our last book club where the material is so harsh, but we all showed up in pajamas. I think there was like 90 of us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It was great. It was shit. Yeah. We should do this way more often. I'm so glad you reminded me to do this.

[A]

Yes. And we'll have the link in the show notes for this particular one.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't believe you have to be a member of Patreon to join, but even if you do, there's, like a free option, so you just click it and it's easy. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of books, Christina. So in our other Christina episode, the Christina Applegate episode.

[A]

Oh, man. Editing that one was a trip, I

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bet, because you're just hearing your name constantly.

[A]

Not only that, but there are some overlapping traumas that we have. And I'm like, oh.

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Oh, no. I. I think I do. Yeah. I'm so sorry, Christina. You're. You're a hero and a warrior and a champion. Well, a couple updates from that episode. So one of the cookies, K. They looked up the study that Christina Applegate had cited in the book. I read it verbatim from the text. So Christina wrote about this study where if there were three specific traumas that occurred in childhood, your percentage of being diagnosed with Ms. Later in life went up exponentially. K. One of the cookies noticed this because it really unnerved them. You know, people go through these things and, like, what does it mean for your health? And actually looked up the study and realized that Christina had printed the analysis of this study incorrectly.

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So.

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So, Christina Lopez, will you read what Kay found?

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Yeah. So according to K. Christina Applegate's quote said a 93% risk rate for Ms. With all three forms of childhood trauma. That is not what the study says. It says 93% higher than the non traumatized population. So if 1 in 100 normally develop it around 2 in 100 in the 3 traumatized population do. Unless I misunderstood a quote, it startled me a lot as someone with all three. So I pulled up the study.

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Yeah, I also cited some studies when I was writing my memoir about donor conceived people, which it's also tough too, because some studies only have small pools of people or they were funded by certain places. Like, you usually want, like a broad swath of studies in order to, you know, talk about things like this. And it is hard when it's like one in four versus one in blah, blah. So I'm glad K looked this up. It looks like it's a 2 in 100 chance versus a 1 in 100 chance if you've experienced childhood traumas like the ones Christina described. So that was interesting to note. Also in the episode we talked about the book my chiropractor had opened that was like, you know, things you go through in life that create your disease

[A]

and how to unfat your child, I think is what Joe said is the title.

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The title. Which that is not. That is not the title of the book. I put out a call. I was like, has anyone ever encountered this book in life where. And it was huge. It was like the size of Webster's Dictionary. And you could look up specific diseases and it would connect to the trauma that created such disease. I say this all with, what do I want to say this with? I'm going to be very honest with y'. All. I 100% absolutely believe and know that things you go through in your life can create physical illness for you. You can look up studies like a trauma study, where if you've experienced poverty and food insecurity and things like that, you were that much higher on the trauma scale. However, that's because it's not that poverty creates trauma. It's that poverty is trauma. But again, this is a little convoluted, which is all to say, I don't have the science to explain this. I can't exactly say what this is. But I get so worried talking about this and reading about it. Cause it feels like walking a tightrope. And if I make one wrong move, I fall into Maha. And all of a sudden I'm like putting raw beef on my face. That's what it feels like. Cause I'm like, I know, there is truth here, but like, one wrong move and I'm a fucking go here.

[A]

You're talking like, Ivermectin or whatever.

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Yeah, I. I have a friend. Well, a long lost friend who the medical community couldn't heal. Something she was going through and she was writing about, like, the jab and like, really racist doctors who were at the Insurrection. She was like, reposting their medical studies. So it was like, literally a doctor at the Insurrection with like their ax in hand.

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Yeah.

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Posting, like, that person's study. And so I just always feel so worried discussing stuff like this. Cause I'm just like, I'm gonna. What? Don't slip. Everybody out there, let's discuss this. But don't slip.

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Yes.

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And what was surprising to me, Christina, is I said, has anyone ever encountered this book? Many people wrote in with different books. And I had this idea that I would get these books and check them out and like, really vet them. Some of them were like $100. Some of them are out of print. And at one point I said, I can't. I have a job. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't go into this. I have several jobs, honestly, too many jobs. But I am going to tell you all the books I heard most. One was Metaphysical Anatomy. The other was Messages from the body and their psychological meaning. The other one, and this is one I'm real worried about. Heal your body. Metaphysical causations for physical illness. I'm already out on a book that's like, you can do it yourself.

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Yeah, I can't. I have a hard time with that. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I'm really worried about that book. But someone said maybe that's it. Which would be very concerning for me because again, someone referenced this book when helping me with my. The tumor on my ovary. And then who's the matter with me? Was another one and a final one, the secret language of your body. I'm a little. I think this might be like astrology, where, like, there's some astrology books that are, like, sick. Awesome. Great. And there's other astrology books where it's like, AI wrote this for funsies because people would buy it.

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I could totally see a proliferation of that happening in the next couple years, too.

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Oh, completely.

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Yeah.

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So those are the books. Are you gonna check any of these books out, Christina?

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I want the secret language of my body.

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Yeah. Get to know them. Secrets. I think. I think the one I'm most interested in is Messages from the body. And their psychological meaning. That was the one that's $100 and looked to be the size of the one that was in the chiropractor's office. That's the one that most looks like my vague memory.

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Yeah.

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So if I ever feel like that's worth $100, I'll go down that lane. But if you.

[A]

Chelsea, you got a birthday coming up.

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Oh, God. There's other things I want for my birthday.

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Yeah.

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So those were our updates on that.

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Okay.

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Christina, should we talk about Chapel Roan?

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Yes. Let's get into it.

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Yes, let's get into it.

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Were you following when the story broke?

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I was lightly following. I was shocked at how proliferated it seemed. But now we know there was a little bit of a thumb on the scale on this story.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know, I mean, I think part of it, there are a lot of. Well, let's dive into it, I think. Yeah.

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So just a brief overview in case you missed it. A soccer star and his wife, who is also Jude Law's ex.

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Yes. They worked Jude Law in the headline any way they could for sure.

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Their child, which was her child with Jude law, who's around 11, were at a big fancy rich person hotel and their child thought they saw chaperone and went to go spy on her in the garden seating and see if it was her and came back and she was like, I don't know if it's her. And then a minute later a security guard came up and was apparently very rude and was like, doesn't your child know how to behave? Don't look at celebrities, you little monster. And then they put videos out online scolding Chapel for being such a to their precious child. I'M speaking about it this way because even if Chapel Roan had sent her security guard to do that, which quantifiably, certifiably, factually, she did not. And we have all the proof now.

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Yeah.

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But let's say she did. I'm sure it definitely sucked for their child to be reprimanded.

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Yeah.

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Also, does you destroying a woman online make that feel better for your child? Like you're doing the exact behavior that you're saying shouldn't happen to your child of being destroyed and criticized and yelled at for no reason. They got the masses of the Internet to be mad at Chapel Roan, which they love to do. People love to be mad at this woman more than other pop stars. And I made me really. I was already mad at them of just like, this is so gross to use your power to do this in the name of being nice to women.

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Yeah.

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Lol, you assholes. Then they made more videos being like, chaperone said it wasn't her security guard, but, like, it probably was like, but who knows? And so they were just loving the drama. Then the security guard who actually did it has to make his own TikTok. And he's like, no one asked me to do that.

[A]

The Daily Mail apparently found out that he was working for Sabrina Carpenter. Allegedly.

[B]

But also, I don't trust the Daily Mail.

[A]

I don't either.

[B]

Yeah. I'm thankful whoever pressured this guy to come forward did it. And also, yeah, sounds like he's hyped up on power, bro.

[A]

Yeah. He basically said some of the things that had been happening around the music concert. I think it was like Lollapalooza that was happening there caused him to elevate and escalate, you know, the threat risk that was happening and caused him to overreact in response to how this girl approached Chapel or looked at Chapel or whatever the situation was.

[B]

Whatever. Then the soccer star. I'm being so rude by not saying his name. The football star. What's his name? Christina Georginio. Thank you. I'm sure so many people just heard that. And they're like, but I'm sorry. And because I'm mad at him, he even put on his Instagram story a statement being like, this matter is closed. I'm so sorry for the suffering that my daughter and Chapel Ron went through. And it's like it actually was just Chapel Ron. Like, Chapel Roan was never behind your daughter's suffering. You were fully behind Chapel Roan's suffering. And you used your celebrity and the fact that your daughter's a child to punish this pop star that she looked up to. I just hate it. And then they would post other photos like other pop stars were really nice to my very rich child who we buy backstage passes to take pictures with. It all was so gross to me.

[A]

People were digging up videos where, like, Chapel was talking about how miserable it is to have a child and then leveraging that into her larger sort of belief system around kids and stuff like that.

[B]

Yeah, I think what really pains me about this is that one, she's just extremely talented. Whether you like the music or not, you cannot say that the songs she wrote and performed for herself are not stunning and beautiful. And when people come at her for, well, this is a drag queen's aesthetic. That's kind of a historical misogynist argument that women cannot participate in the performance of gender. So that bothers me. But mostly, like Chapel has always been so politically active. When it was found out that, like this guy who I forget his name, just one of the many men who was involved with Epstein, who ran her label, was involved with Epstein, she immediately left the company and put out a statement. Not all famous artists did that. She's spoken about health insurance for artists. And while she may not be perfect on every issue, she's done so much and so much more than other artists do. And that has made her a lightning rod for the Conservative Party to want to bring her down. And then there's a bunch of liberals who jump in on it for just like the love of using a woman as the Internet's trampoline of just jumping up and down on her.

[A]

Well, also add into the mix that there were some bots involved. So Gudea or Judea, which was involved with some Taylor Swift bots analysis a couple months back with Rolling Stone, also flagged to buzzfeed that they had looked at a hundred thousand posts generated by 54,000 unique users across seven platforms. About this Chapel Roan story from March 20 to March 22 and they found that 4.2% of the users contributing to the Chapel Roan conversation at the time were non typical I. E. Were likely to be bots. And as well as that being a high percentage of bots in and of itself, they accounted for over 23% of the posts. And we have a link to this buzzfeed report in the show Notes and the podcast Spitfire News also covered this, so we'll have a link to that too. One of the cookies actually posted this link in our Patreon chats and access to cover this, but in addition to all of that, the thumb on the scale, you know, how other sides leverage that. There is also this critique that she clearly doesn't wanna be famous and she can't accept all the things that fame entails, including people's desire to access to her whether or not she's performing on or off time. Basically. Yeah. And there's also, I think, pushback. You can give into how much people expect access to famous people just by virtue of them being famous. And like, I think it leans more into, like, how parasocial people have become with famous figures. But also, like, people have made the argument that if she didn't want to become like a famous icon but still wanted to release music, she could have gone the Sia route where she was hiding her face.

[B]

Yeah, like that worked out so well for Sia.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Or Daft Punk.

[B]

No, I cannot wrap my head around the fact that the same people who have watched, discussed, analyzed, and to this day take in how this exact behavior destroyed a woman. Like Britney Spears, among many others, has destroyed her mental health, has destroyed so many things about her that she suffers through how we took a pop star and just shredded her for our benefit. And to see a pop star come up now and try and draw boundaries and stand up for herself and show anger and to be so mad at her for that and instead of being happy that maybe someone's trying to change our relationship with fame, the same fame that killed Princess Di is trying to change the way media treats young women. And to be mad at her for it. Yeah, it makes me infuriated. I don't know enough about Chal Barone to be like, she's perfect. I. I don't even. I don't. If she's like, fucked some shit up, like, fine. I don't think any young woman in the spotlight deserves this. And I know she's getting it more because she's put up boundaries and has shown her anger. And I just hate that.

[A]

Yeah, it's a little bit unfair. I think a lot of bit unfair to project all these desires of access to people just because you're a fan of their work. I don't know. It feels like it's really gotten into really Stan culture, you know, parasocial territory. But again, it, you know, the kid maybe shouldn't have been yelled at. I don't know.

[B]

No, no, the kid definitely. The kid definitely shouldn't have been yelled at. That's horrib. What I think is wild is that they said our kid was unfairly yelled at by the team of this woman she loves. We know. Let's harness the Internet to ruin that woman's life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They surely are powerful enough to have contacted her directly. They are powerful enough to have gone to the hotel. There were so many means in which they could have rectified the situation and they chose the one that they don't want their daughter suffering.

[A]

Well, and then he came out and said that Chapel did try to rectify the situation after the fact.

[B]

Yeah. And they just continued it. That's what I think is, yes, the child should not have been yelled at. But then to just blame a random woman and people love to do that. And again, they did it on the Internet. They did it to punish her. And now this child who loved, loves, loved Chapel Roan now participated in trying to destroy this. This girl she looked up to. Not by her doing it, but her parents did it. I just think it's cruel.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

[B]

I was way more heated about this. I know. Like, realized. I was like, oh, sure, we'll discuss chaperone. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, let's pivot again. Let's go to a little smut corner with our smut correspondent Claire, who is going to tell us a smutty book they recommend.

[A]

Hello, and welcome to another round of smut corner. And as always, I am your genderless guide through the world of smut. Claire Linick. Now, listen, I see what's happening. I get it. The world is crumbling around us. I think it's time we get a little bit more silly into the smut world. I think we take one more step into madness with our escapism. And in the spirit of that, I today am doing a Ruby Dixon deep dive. Now, you might have already heard of Ruby Dixon. We use her as our scale. But also she really kicked off the smut craze during the pandemic with Ice Planet Barbarians. If you haven't read that series, I cannot recommend it highly enough. And if you're like, you know what, there's just not enough out for me to be reading there right now. Guess what, babe, it's like 22 books in one series and there's so many shoot offs. What I want to talk to you about today is a lesser known series series of hers which are the anchor series. I gotta be honest, it's overall not my favorite series. But there is a book that I believe stands as a standalone book and is one of my favorites lots of all time and it's called Servant to the Spy Day. Now, if there are little ears Listening. Or maybe you're with a partner or a co worker or anybody. Now's a great time for you to fast forward through me and come back later when it's time because I'm gonna go ahead and tell you what happens a little bit in this book just to warn you without out too many spoilers, but buckle up. This involves a human anchor to three fates, almost like gods that need a

[B]

human to anchor them.

[A]

And this woman signs up for this. And I think that's important for everyone to remember throughout the book because it does get a little wackadoodle. It is consent. Everything's gorgeous. It does kind of become. I'm going to give a little spoiler. It does kind of become a love story. But it's wild at the start because the fate she's tied to are, you guessed it it, spider people. It's my favorite book ever. It's wild. It's beautiful. It is so steamy. We've been doing like three out of fives over here. Maybe a 3.5 out of five. I'm gonna go ahead and give this a 4.5 out of five. If that's what you're ready for, if that's what you're craving, this is where you have to be. I'm obsessed with this book. I've read it multiple times.

[B]

It is a thrill.

[A]

I want to hear from you if you've read it. I want to hear from you if you don't read it and it's too much. I'm at Claire Linnick on Instagram. You know what, guys, I'm gonna get out of here.

[B]

Just enjoy it.

[A]

Have fun

[B]

coming off of that. Christina, have you watched this new FLDS documentary on Netflix called the False Prophet?

[A]

No, but I knew you were gonna watch it. I was like, okay, yes, I know the basic premise where, you know, this non Mormon couple got access to the. This so called prophet. They befriended him, they gained his trust, and then they followed his ascent to become a like a prophet leader. But I'm sure you have more details around that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is your wheelhouse though.

[B]

I know it's flds, so that's Latter Day Saints Mormon communities, of course, but it's also the fundamentalist Mormon community. So it was this community whose leader was Warren Jeffs. There's another documentary on him called Keep Sweet Pray and Obey Devastating, where he was using his power in the church to be a pedophile and marry young wives and have all these like really intense, non consenting, underage sexual activities, sometimes in groups and he finally was sent to prison, and it left this community of the FLDS communities, specifically the ones in Arizona, really vulnerable because they had this leader who was in jail, and they were still following him as their prophet, and he was obviously always doing horrible things. But then what he was putting out from jail got really weird. Like, he started putting out messages of, like, since I'm not having sex, none of y' all should have sex. And so this community, like, stops having children when. When they were raised to believe, like, a lot of these women were told, like, you should be having one child a year. This is also obviously a polygamous sect of Mormonism. And I've stayed in Colorado City, Arizona. This was, like, one of the hubs that this was set in. Anyways, this couple, this guy who directs music videos, and this woman who's had a wild career that they cover in the documentary moved there. And I have to say, I really hated the documentary at first because they are the stars of their own documentary. And it. It really is clear, at least to me, that they went there to get some shine off of getting, like, cultish figures on camera and, like, being the leads in this. You know, we're gonna get these women out. But it's, like, clear that they're, like, he directs music videos, and if he just wanted to randomly document what was going on there and then it became a documentary, it's like, that's just so unbelievable. He's also not a documentarian because the. The footage is really this woman straight to camera telling the story. Because the footage she captures, you can tell he's, like, talking through it and, like, doing all the things like you were not supposed to do in a documentary. And other documentarians will tell you, but, like, when someone surprisingly makes themselves the lead of their documentary, it's almost always a red flag for a bad. Like, something's gone awry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's journalism to this. You're supposed to be.

[A]

To a degree. I feel like it's been really diluted over the last, like, especially in the streaming era.

[B]

Yes, it has. And this was a big case of, like, that. And so I'm not a documentarian. I would be so curious. Actual documentarian's opinion. But when I look at it from a film perspective, I'm like, this is terrible. This is, like, found footage kind of strung together through this one woman. I hated the poster of it because she's, like, in this, like, hot little cowboy outfit with all of these women in classic FLDS clothing, which is like. Like, kind of the classic Polygamist hairstyle and braids.

[A]

And like, the Chloe Sevigny character from Big Glove, if you.

[B]

Exactly, yes. They're all dressed like that, and they're facing away from the camera as she's in, like, her little cowboy hat in the middle, like, saving them. I just hated it. And so what I will say is that because they did capture this footage, it does offer something very special. Where this prophet was leading profit. LOL. Was leading a group of 50 people, very small. Once again, it is a loser. Like, it wasn't even their best Mormon man. Yeah. They were like, this guy sucks. His wife left him. He can't keep jobs. Like, no one in the FLDS community respects him. He's a loser. And then one day, he showed up with a trailer full of new wives, demanding respect. He wears a white leather jacket. It is. And, yeah, and it's just. It's a Keith Ranieri. It's like this dumbass is leading the cult. It's always a dumbass.

[A]

Yeah. When I saw that trailer, I was like, him. Him.

[B]

Yeah. It's another one of those. I ended up really loving that. I watched it because these incredible FLDS women get to speak on camera. And you see a side of these women that I have never really seen. You've seen women who've left the church, but, like, there's one woman who very much believes in the religion, wants to stay, but still came to this realization that as a woman, she should be allowed to ask questions or that what they're doing is wrong. And when you're absolutely trained to never ask questions and you're not given education or resources or information, how do you think for yourself? And some of these women go to jail, and for some of them, it's the best thing that ever happened to them because they're not receiving the programming every day and begin to have their own thoughts.

[A]

Well, and also just imagine the different walks of life that they're finally, you know, they're breaking out of their community bubble.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's crazy to think that prison and jail. But a couple of them are like, prison set me free because I didn't receive this indoctrination every day. And, like, was given other books to read and other people to talk to,

[A]

and you meet other people. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But you also get to see how some of these women really support each other. And so I think. I think that part of it was stunning. Some of them get free, and this man who was a pedophile goes down. And that's extremely fulfilling. I Could never kind of get over that these two people had just, like, wandered in and decided to be undercover. And I think we're enjoying a lot of that intention and are still like, I went undercover at the blahbity blahbity blah, so that grosses me out. And they're so fumbling. And some of it's caught in the footage where he's like, the guy, her husband or fiance, talking about it. He'll be like, we gotta help this child. I'm parking the car. I'm trying to park the car. Oh, I can't hear. Grab the camera. Like, it's so Mr. Magoo. But a part of that was also inspiring in that, like, yeah, there's just two people who showed up and they did do something. And they really made a difference in some of these people's lives. And they weren't high tech or savvy or especially studied in this and were able to make a difference by being in these women's lives and offering one woman in particular someone to talk to so that they could help her go to the FBI. So in a way, it was inspiring of like, you can always help. And in another way, I was like, was it all for the documentary?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. Okay, so would you recommend the cookie? See it or not?

[B]

100%. 100%. I just recommend you also finish it. Because really, the last two episodes are when we really get the testimony of the women and some of the people who were in, like, following him in this cult and then got out of it. And you get to just really hear their perspective and their thoughts, which I think is so beautiful because the first two episodes are the people who came to town sort of telling you the story because they don't have the footage.

[A]

Oh, do you know what I mean?

[B]

That's why I was watching. I was like, a documentary. That's great. Get gets the footage and the interviews so that you watch the story unfold from the subjects themselves. Yeah, you watch the story unfold from her perspective of saving them, and then it flips.

[A]

Okay, I gotta check it out. I'll let the cookies know in the chat what I think about it after seeing it. Okay, so, yeah, like you said, ultimately, if they went in there with gray intentions, the impact was a net positive. And so maybe, you know, it balances out the scales of, like, you know, them centering themselves in the narrative.

[B]

I think so with the caveat it is their documentary. So I don't know what we're not seeing. I don't know if stuff was edited Out. I don't know if something's gonna come down the line, but I am hoping for the best. Okay. There was a good outcome.

[A]

Yeah. It does seem to be like a couple years out. You learn, oh, they left this whole other thing out. That actually proves something else.

[B]

Yeah. Very odd. Okay, let's do a little pivot to just remind everyone. Because I didn't. Because I haven't. I don't know if I've said this enough. When we have put out episodes that are for subscribers or Patreon members only, there's a video that Christina makes that goes up on the Patreon. So we just did Liza Minnelli. Such a good episode. Such incredible guests. That was for subscribers only. So if you want to subscribe, you can do that easily on Patreon. It can connect to all of your podcast apps. And then once you have Patreon, you can play the video and Christina edits it and puts in like the photos we're referencing and like the imagery and like, like the video is fantastic. And I just need to tell people that that exists. Cause I don't feel like I talk about it enough.

[A]

Yes. We haven't been doing it for all of them, but there are a good collection of videos that are there for subscribers for sure.

[B]

Yeah. Once you become a member of Patreon, the whole collection is like in this little folder and you can watch all of them. Yeah. And I think we'll do more.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Okay. We're kind of still around Mormonism, so let's talk about how Taylor Frankie Paul from Cigarette Lives of Mormon Wives charges are not being pressed against the new domestic violence allegations. So I should make something clear that actually was not clear to me when I was watching the show.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which is that from that incident that is in the pilot episode where she is charged with domestic violence by Dakota. She pled guilty and has been on probation for three years. And they've been filming the show around her. Like she has to be sober. She can't be at events that have alcohol around them. Like she's been on a three year probation filming this show, which I think they obviously did not make a focus of the show. So I forgot about or never realized that she was like actively on probation. Now, these new charges, here's a quote from the Guardian. Prosecutors said some of the misdemeanor offenses occurred more than two years ago and fell outside the statute of limitations. Other incidents, quote, do not rise to the level of criminal offenses. And that quote, the remaining incidents Lack sufficient evidence to support filing criminal charges as, quote, such incidents lack specificity as to when and what actually occurred or corroboration. The office also noted that multiple attorney the cases due to the high profile of the defendant. So these new charges Dakota filed will not be prosecuted. Charges won't be pressed. But the original charge against her, which everyone knew about before she was cast on the Bachelor, and the video that accompanied it, which he sold to TMZ when the Bachelor was coming out, all of that obviously still stands. But I do wonder, with these charges being dropped, if her season is going to come out after all.

[A]

That was just about to be my question. Chelsea, what do you think?

[B]

I think no, but I think maybe in three months.

[A]

Interesting. Okay.

[B]

I think they're in a current custody battle for their child. They both have temporary protection orders against each other, which I'm so upsetting that I know this, but when you file for a protection order, you get it. It's temporary. Yeah. Then you have to go to court in which they can throw it out or they can put it into place. Different things come with it of, like, how long it lasts and what the stipulations are. That's decided in court. So they both have those temporary protection orders against each other. That means they've filed it against each other. It doesn't mean we know the outcome of what's happened. And they are fighting over custody of their child. And so I bet a lot of that would have to be settled out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's one of those things where it's like a train wreck that you don't want to watch but have a hard time looking away from. Like, if that season came out, I'm like, God, I don't want to see that. But also, how would you not?

[A]

Well, here's my question. We kind of know the outcome of it. We know that she didn't exactly find love. Right. So then what would be the incentive to, like, watch this, the car wreck happen in slow motion, or, like, Nick

[B]

Viall's season was spoiled and you still watch it through. You know what I mean?

[A]

You're there for the journey, not the.

[B]

You're there for the journey. You gotta be there to watch it for the right reasons, Christina. The right reasons? Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. All right.

[B]

That being said, the Taylor, Frankie, Paul thing was put in the chat as something to discuss, and I looked it up, but I. I have untethered myself from that content and have not been following. She's been posting through it. There's. I'm sure, there's a much you could say, but as I said on my State of the Union, I am taking a step back.

[A]

I think I'm waiting for her, like, dramatic news interview that she does with someone on GMA or some other, like, call her daddy or something where she goes on and she's like, here's what really happened that night or something. Or something to that effect.

[B]

Well, I actually really love interviews with her. I listened to so many when I did my first episode. When season one came out, I listened to niche interviews on podcasts that have like five followers that she did years ago. She is honest to a fault. And so if she ever did do an interview, like, you get everything from her, including details that I know from her interviews that they would skip over on the show.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if she's gonna like, pop back up soon enough or she's taking time away from.

[B]

She's not taking time. She's posting every day. She also left the Mormon Church as official as you can by posting on your Instagram stories.

[A]

Wow. What did she say?

[B]

She said, my faith is within me and my heart and it doesn't align with the church. I'm basically not a Mormon anymore, but I am spiritual and still have my faith and no one can take that from me. But I'm not like a part of the Mormon Church anymore, which had been coming for so long. I think given that in this most recent season, her mom was still talking about the Book of Mormon and lessons that she had taught her about Mormonism that she should be following. That was angering her mom. I do think her officially saying I'm not following this anymore is probably a really big deal, even though it's a long time coming.

[A]

Wow. So her life is no longer secret, nor Mormon, nor is she a wife.

[B]

Some could say the entire title of the show is moot.

[A]

Null and Void.

[B]

Null and void. And that momtak, the invisible force that binds them also. So null and void. Which brings me to something I started last night. Oh, Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

[A]

How's it going?

[B]

I love it. I. Okay. When people said they couldn't tell the Mormon wives apart on the show, I was never a part of that. Maybe because I was raised in Utah for some time. I have no idea. But like, I always. I. They were always wildly different looking to me watching Rhode Island, I can't tell them apart. I don't know if it's because I'm not from that part of the country, but I'm like, oh, you all look exactly the same. A lot of them share the same surgeons and plastic surgeons. And they said it on the show. I love it. If you watch the Bachelor, as I did in the prime millennial years to do so, you remember a little lady known as Ashley. I. And Ashley, I was the infamous, very hot virgin who cried all the time. She was like, I'm a virgin. She looks like a Kardashian. And she was just, like, begging for love. And it was like, ashley, my girl, it is your personal. It is extraordinary to have a personality this intense. It really pushes everyone away from you while being that extraordinary looking. And so she was just crying and crying and crying. And she gets obsessed with this guy who was on another season named Jared. And they go on. There's like, bachelor in paradise things they do where she's just always in love with him, always crying. He's always saying, no. I even remember there's some bachelor wedding where like, sometimes when they have, like, the it couple, they air their wedding and pay for it and make it a bachelor special. There was one of those weddings where Ashley's on it being like, jared's here, but he left it without me. I still love him. And she cries. Okay, One day Jared gave up, and they're married now. They are now on Real Housewives of Rhode Island. He is from Rhode Island. She is on the show, new to all of them. And I'm like, I gotta see what Jared and Ashley are up to. Like, how is this marriage going? Crying all the time.

[A]

I gotta check this out.

[B]

I am loving it. It is just enough. Enough silly, ridiculous boating drama that I'm having fun. I'm only one episode in, but they all seem like they don't realize the consequences of their actions. And that's fun to watch.

[A]

Okay, the next cookie jar, I'm gonna have to check in. If you're still on the boat with

[B]

them, I will laugh so hard if you watch it.

[A]

How would you rank this in the current iterations of, you know, Real Housewives?

[B]

I would say it's a thousand times better than Beverly. I'm not enjoying Beverly Hills this season. I am really enjoying Rhode Island.

[A]

Share your Real Housewives power rankings with us on the Patreon. I used to watch New York back in the day, and I used to love it, but, you know, now they're all terrible.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's going through a lot.

[A]

Well, I think I grapple with, like, wealth differently now than I did back then, too.

[B]

Yeah, I completely agree. It's, like, not as fun. Well, that brings Me, Us. I don't even want to talk a lot about it, but Lauren Sanchez Bezos, you sent me an article covering her where basically she was like, why can't I be happy? I'm rich. And I think the part of the article. One of the parts of the article that infuriates me the most is that she called out this TikToker Instagrammer, Blake Lee Thornton, who made a bunch of videos about. About her wedding being a disgusting oligarchy. She called him a bully. And anyone who is a literal fucking billionaire using the word bully, not describing themselves, really misunderstanding what the word means and how a power dynamic is involved, you can just like. You're just such an idiot. I just can't pretend.

[A]

Yeah, I saw it, and I was like, chelsea, she's at it again. Because we just had the year anniversary of when she went to space. Here we are a year later. Look how much has changed.

[B]

I just pray to God one day that should I find myself even remotely near a mile radius, within a mile radius of that kind of wealth, that I just fuck off forever. I hope you never hear from me again. I hope I am rescuing dogs, donating to charities, and like. Like in a hot tub, and you never hear from me again. And if everyone's like, she's a bitch, we hate her. I don't know. Because I have money and I'm not on my Instagram. That's what I hope for myself. Yeah.

[A]

I don't understand why this profile happened. It just.

[B]

It's like the attention and being liked is more powerful than billions of dollars, which I. I'm just like, go do great things with your money. And if you want to be a movie star, go write and direct your own film. Go save the earth. Go do some things. But, like, why do you need to be in a magazine being like, that guy was mean to me online?

[A]

Yes. I don't understand. Okay.

[B]

Welcome to being a woman on the fucking Internet.

[A]

Yeah, that kind of circles back to some of the Chapel Rose stuff that we were talking about. Yeah.

[B]

But it's like, bitch, are you crazy? Like, great women, Ms. Rachel gets hate on the Internet. Do you really think that you were gonna come in and not get a negative comment?

[A]

I don't know what she wants. Like, public adoration. Like, I don't understand what. Yeah, I think so.

[B]

I think. Cause she comes from Hollywood, she's like. Like, we're all just friends, right? We're all just artists. Am I extra angry this episode? What's going on with me? I don't know what's going on with me, but it's coming out.

[A]

I feel like some Zodiac cookie is going to be like, it's Aries is in, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

So that's why, let me know, friends, let me know. Maybe I should get the medical book and just be, like, irate on a podcast and see what childhood trauma that links to. Okay, let's end with some sports talk. All right, so this is a story my husband has been regaling me with. He's been sending me. I truly tell him, like, I have to. There's times where I'm like, I gotta watch my Yasser TV because I'll have 10 videos he sent me throughout the day. And, like, just, like, sit there and watch through all of them and laugh and respond. And again, we see each other all the time. You guys, it's not like we don't talk. It's like, we're talking, and I'll open my phone and there'll also be a video there. And he was sending me all these videos about Diana Rossini, who is. Is a sports broadcaster. And to my shock, Christina, when you put out a call on the Patreon asking for Hot Topics to cover on the cookie jar, multiple people said, cover the Diana Rossini story. That was like, what? Yeah. And my husband, Yasser, had said, chels, I feel like this could be for a cookie jar. Like, I know this isn't a normal talk, but I think this could be for y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

So here we are. Diana Rossini, a sports broadcaster who does freelance and, like, does all kinds of other shows and is a host. She was caught being cradled in Coach Rebel's arms. He's a coach for the Patriots, and they are both married to other people. And there was, like, hot tub vacation photos where it's like, if you're just friends, you have a weird friendship that has crossed many boundaries. Now, as some other great podcasts and people have pointed out, there's so much sexism in the way this is being covered. I don't follow sports enough to know, but I am a person in the world. And that seems exactly correct that men who've been caught outside of their marriage or fraternizing with people they're supposed to be covering in a journalistic capacity in sports, have not been treated as harshly as Diana. I'm sure that is true. However, there is something extra to this, which is that Diana has multiple clips that people have put in compilations, and I'm. We're gonna put some in this episode right now of her Talking about her husband, slash just clearly really not wanting to be married. That she has said throughout the years. I knew he would. He would judge the kind of partying I was doing. I don't know what got into me. I just remember being down there acting like it was my last day on earth. You know who lets me know my marriage is falling apart?

[A]

My mom. So that's good.

[B]

Oh, does she? Oh, yeah. You know what? I'm starting to think he's got a girlfriend. And you know what? Good for him. We've never been more disconnected in our lives. Our text messages look like two robots. Hello. Hello. I'm married to someone average. I don't post a lot about them. If I was married to someone beautiful, I'd overpost too. Now this doesn't seem nice. We did put together photos of Diana's husband here for everyone to see so you can make some amends on national television.

[A]

We're out together.

[B]

And you know what the worst part is? He sent me a text during that segment, not watching because he actually works for a living. And he said, good luck today. Be great on get up.

[A]

So the guy's got a heart of

[B]

gold, and here I am on national TV killing him. Look, we're average together, but he makes me above average because he married me. So I am so sorry. I need to really stop killing my husband on television. We're gonna be divorced by Christmas, so it's kind of like, oh, God, her poor husband. She just really sounds like she just really doesn't want to be married. And so that's what has made this, I think, an even bigger story. And kind of leads me to be like, I'm happy all got caught. Because I think you need to be free. I think you need out of this marriage and you weren't gonna walk out. And I think your husband deserves to not be in this marriage too. However, she then resigns from her job. And that's where I'm like, wait a minute. Like, does everyone have to resign when they're having an affair? Like, is it because they cross crossed some sort of ethical boundaries? In which case, why isn't most of the NFL fired?

[A]

I think, yeah, I think people could make the argument that she couldn't be impartial in her reporting if she was having a personal relationship.

[B]

Right. It's just that, like, since when did the NFL follow any ethical rules?

[A]

Well, if she got fired, was it from her news organization or she resigned,

[B]

which I guess because it puts into

[A]

question, like, not only her reporting, but also her colleagues I know, it's just

[B]

there's so been so many other things in this world role that they're like, nah, it's fine. She resigned from the Athletic with a defiant letter. Let's read some of it.

[A]

Okay, so the Athletic is. Oh, this is important to note that the Athletic is owned by the New York Times.

[B]

Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[A]

So they have very strict guidelines when it comes to like, reporter ethics.

[B]

Okay, yeah, I mean, listen, that, that makes sense. It's just. I feel like. All right, it makes sense. It just feels like there's also a bunch of sexism in here, but.

[A]

Okay, no, you could be right also, you know what I mean? Like both. Both things are.

[B]

Quote, I have covered the NFL with professionalism and dedication throughout my career, and I stand behind every story I have ever published. When the Page Six item first appeared, the Athletic supported me, unequivocally expressed confidence in my work and pride in my journalism. For that I am grateful. In the days that followed, unfortunately, commentators in various media have engaged in self feeding speculation that is simply unmoored from the facts. Moreover, this media frenzy is hurtling forward without regard for the review process the Athletic is trying to complete. Complete. It continues to escalate, fueled by repeated leaks. And I have no interest in submitting to a public inquiry that has already caused far more damage than I am willing to accept. Rather than allowing this to continue, I've decided to step aside now before my current contract expires on June 30. I do so not because I accept the narrative that has been constructed around this episode, but because I refuse to lend it further oxygen or let it define me or my career. So this is talking about people being like, she clearly doesn't like her husband, you know.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's a. Both and where it's like, like her being there was leading people to question the integrity of the reporting of her colleagues, but also her own reporting. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's.

[B]

It's also like, you know, they, they deny that there's a fair. That's like there were six of us. We were all hanging out like, we're all just like fun friends. I obviously being paired with the other clips about her marriage is what makes it wild. Also, the way she's treating her marriage is the way a lot of male journalists talk about their marriages as well.

[A]

But also, hey, guys, we don't know. He could have a shame kink. I don't know, what if he has a shame kink?

[B]

What if he's loving it? What if he's at home just loving it?

[A]

No, don't include us in it, though.

[B]

In the report where she's like, no, no, no, no, he's great. I'm average too. She says, oh, man. He just texted me before this interview telling me to crush it. And, like, here I am being mean to him. So. Ooh, yeah, it's brutal. Christina, before we go. So any hot bits from your life? Any little updates?

[A]

I found out my niece got into the school that she wanted. She's going to middle school. She got into the middle school that she wanted to get into, and she did, like, a little audition for. And so, like, we're just so proud of her. And it's just like that kind of thing where, like, when somebody gets what they want and you're so happy, she's like, you know, 10, 11.

[B]

And that's such a big deal, though.

[A]

It's such a big deal for her. And it is just like, you get joy out of seeing them get joy. Because I was also prepared. We were also like, well, you know, it's not the end of the world if you don't get in. You know, like, a lot of actors don't go to professional training. I told her straight up. I was like, a lot of actors don't go to professional training before they become actors. In fact, some of the biggest ones have no training, like, at all. And that's the thing that you talk about going to college for. You know what I mean? So I'm gonna have you sit down with her before she goes to college.

[B]

Would love to talk her out of school. Let your know, Let your family know. That's my thing.

[A]

Performing arts school. Yeah. She still would get a degree probably,

[B]

but yeah, listen, if she's going to a performing arts school young, she doesn't need to go to a performing arts college. That's just my take, but it would love to talk with her. Yeah. Christina, I love that you're raising a little artist.

[A]

Ye. I love encouraging her and, like, how she expresses her, you know, artistry and she, like, does acting and she really loves it, and it's just great to be watching her grow up. And.

[B]

Yeah, you know, at that age, I auditioned for a community theater play. I think it was the best crossed out worst Christmas pageant ever. And it was community theater. But a teacher at my elementary school was the director, and I auditioned that day for the lead. Christina. I went home, I got the phone book, I looked up my teacher. I called her house. Her daughter, who was in my grade, answered the Phone. I asked to speak to her mother, and I asked her if I got the role. So this is a very important age for your dreams to come true.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

That's a humiliating story about me, but also chutzpah. Yes. Go getterness.

[A]

I think it has a little bit of go getterness. Yeah.

[B]

Lady who would later yell on a podcast. Lady who has no patience.

[A]

That reminds me of, like, when you got critiqued for over preparing for a writing job. And, like, it seemed like you were too desperate or something like that.

[B]

It seem. It was, God, desperation. I wish I wrote about this in my book and it still haunts me.

[A]

I'm sorry to bring it up.

[B]

Oh, no, it's fine. I'm up for something right now. And. And I told Yasser, I was like, I'm gonna pull back in my presentation. Cause you have to do your pitch for it. I was like, I'm gonna pull back my presentation because I don't wanna get called Tracy Flick again, which is what they called me. And he gave me a beautiful talk. He's like, stop that. You want it, you believe in it, go for it. Don't let these losers from years ago dampen your shine.

[A]

That's like the Cresita Applegate thing where it was like, you're doing it.

[B]

Yeah, but the thing with the. Okay, you know what? This has turned into therapy for me, but I need. I need it. So I'm gonna take it. Christina, I'm gonna make you continue guiding me. Here's the thing. I have, though. What I. The reason I said I was gonna pull back is not cause I personally feel guilty. It's because I want the job. And if me preparing so much doesn't get me the job, then I'll prepare less. Which isn't just another form of preparing. And the reason why I didn't get that job, I remember my agent calling me and he said, you made the other two male producers in the room look like doofuses. And they didn't like it. And they said you were delivering Tracy Flick. And I was in so much pain. And yes, I had really gone over the top for this job because I was also not qualified for it. I was up for a head writer job that I had no business being up for. And I thought the way I could show them how ready I was for it was to create an entire binder of their season. And the two producers didn't like that because they're like, we haven't even done that. And so wasn't the right move. And. Yeah. But, yeah, now it haunts me.

[A]

Okay, what was your thing you wanted to share besides this therapy session we just had?

[B]

I don't know that I wanted to share this, but I do have my arm wrapped in plastic Saran Wrap right now, and so if there are any video clips from this podcast, you might see that. So maybe I should speak to that, which is that in about 15 minutes, I'm going to my second laser tattoo removal appointment, because I'm removing this one tattoo on my arm, and I've had one appointment, and this is my second one. And I gotta tell ya, I do not regret getting the tattoo. I loved it for the time I had it. The only reason I'm getting it removed is because the tattoo artist changed the art that I wanted and was like, this will be fine, right? And I was like, yeah. And then the moment it was on, I was like, this isn't what I wanted, but it did represent something beautiful. Then I came into a place where I was like, wait a minute. I'll just take this off. I'm gonna do it. You know, let's just see. It is so painful. It is. Yes, it is painful in the moment. It's painful for the two weeks afterwards. That's when it's the most painful. So that being said, I'd still go back in time and get it again. Guess what? I'm gonna get more tattoos over it when it's gone.

[A]

Well, I was gonna ask, are you gonna get it and do it right and do it with an artist that you like, particularly are fond of having gone through multiple tattooings.

[B]

Well. And yet. And I will say I have the numbing cream on me right now. That's what's on me for this. But I'm not gonna redo it with the. I get tattoos to represent symbolic meaning in my life, to basically put something onto and into my body that I cannot possess from within. But I want it so badly, and so I try and symbolize it towards me. I hear that, and I feel like I really. This tattoo gave me, like, so much power and so much life. And this is amazing to say, but I feel like I did it like I did. The message I put on my body in the past five years, which was a. About coming through shame. And I feel like I. I did what I tattooed, and it has done its job, and now it can leave and I can put something else there.

[A]

Yeah, that sounds amazing. Goodbye. Breathe, tattoo. So you breathe now. No, I'm just kidding.

[B]

That's not the Tattoo, Breathe, live, laugh, love. Here, here. For the right reasons. What if I just did a Dringo sheet on my arm?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Henry Kissinger, Dringo.

[A]

Actually, hold on. You might be onto something.

[B]

Listen, we could have some flash tattoos going out to the people. Okay, well, thank you all for joining us for this cookie jar. If you ever have a voice note of something genius to say, Amelia, you got so many compliments and great feedback from her voice note about Wuthering Heights. And so if you ever have something you gotta say, email us. Helloamoroustrash.com. yes, where Christina will check your email because I've been logged out, but she'll get it.

[A]

It's in the show notes. It's in the show notes too.

[B]

And yeah, thank you so much for, for listening. And if you have any topics you want us to cover, we always take your suggestions on Patreon. And we're on Instagram Lammorous trash podcast. We have. We're about to record Brandy's memoir.

[A]

Yes, looking forward to that one.

[B]

And by popular demand, I may have a fix for the Lena Dunham episode. Cause I'm not covering it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because I have this other job I'm doing and that book is 400 pages. I just. I'm not the right person to cover it. But I think I might have a fix and it might be hitting your feed cookies. So stay tuned.

[A]

Yeah, stay tuned.

[B]

A big thank you to our senior managing producer, Christina Lopez, our executive producer, Jordan Moncada, our sound engineer, Marcus Homm, and our amazing, amazing associate producer, Dominique Banas. I also want to give a huge thank you to our incredible partners over at Thrive Cosmetics and Quince. We will link those incredible brands in the show notes. So go check them out. Everything is always linked in the show notes on Apple. There's also transcripts. And if you ever have questions, go to the Patreon chat lounge and I will see you there.