Lisa Rinna’s Memoir You Better Believe I'm Gonna Talk About It (with Jo Feldman and Marcos Luevanos)

Summary

Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast

Episode: Lisa Rinna’s Memoir You Better Believe I'm Gonna Talk About It
Guests: Jo Feldman & Marcos Luevanos
Host: Chelsea Devantez
Date: March 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the memoir of reality TV icon Lisa Rinna, You Better Believe I'm Gonna Talk About It. Host Chelsea Devantez is joined by fellow TV writers and Rinna fans (and skeptics), Jo Feldman and Marcos Luevanos, to break down the memoir’s juiciest bits, question its sincerity, and reflect on Rinna’s complicated legacy. The discussion covers Rinna's career, her time on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, her relationships, traumas, controversial takes, and what (if anything) her life story can offer readers.

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Main Themes

• The construction (and contradiction) of Lisa Rinna’s persona—on and off camera
• Behind-the-scenes dynamics at Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
• The challenges and cliches of the celebrity memoir genre, especially from reality stars
• Issues of authenticity, vulnerability, and responsibility in public storytelling
• A lively debate about Rinna’s likability, work ethic, and business savvy

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing the Panel & Their Rinna Biases

• Chelsea positions herself as a Rinna skeptic, Jo is a former fan now disappointed, and Marcos is a “Rinna apologist.”
  • [04:30] Marcos lovingly calls himself an “obsessive” Rinna supporter even before Housewives days.

2. Expectations vs. Reality: The Memoir’s Content

• The group bemoans the lack of new “tea” from the book — most stories were already known to super fans.
  • [07:55] Jo: “Crediting a memoir for its readability is... the bar is low.”
  • [08:04] “She sets it up like she’s going to give us all of this Housewives tea. And I felt like everything that was tea was stuff she had already said on the show.”

3. Memoir Structure and Style

• Each chapter is over-structured, starting with a quote, editorial, and framing paragraph that rarely match the actual content.
  • [09:47] Jo: “Every chapter starts with like a three prong argument... that doesn’t necessarily reflect what you’re about to read.”

4. Early Life and Family Trauma

• Shocking family stories: Rinna opens with her mother’s kidnapping and near-murder by future serial killer David Carpenter.
  • [12:57] Jo: Tells the wild story, “My mom had half her head taken off... she was so in shock, all she could do was put the items back in her purse.”
• Family loss: Her half-sister’s death by overdose, father’s emotional withdrawal, and his later assisted death.
  • [15:54] Marcos: “He reached a point... where he was really sick and... was asking for this and they were able to give it to him. It was very beautifully written.”

5. Connecting Past Trauma to TV Behavior

• Rinna draws tenuous links between her trauma and her handling of castmates’ addiction and illness—specifically, her infamous confrontations with Kim Richards and Yolanda Hadid.
  • [16:30] Chelsea asks for clarification and expresses skepticism: “What? Draw, you know, what—make it work for me?”
  • [16:48] Marcos admits: “This I can’t get behind. She’s very apologetic...”

6. Retail Therapy and Surface-Level Solutions

• Rinna and her mom coped with trauma via shopping and appearances.
  • [20:20] “Lois would go and, like, buy expensive things and then immediately return them just for the dopamine hit.”

7. Rise to Fame: Acting, Soaps, and Iconic Hair

• Origins of the iconic “muxy” haircut (mulleted pixie/shag) and Rinna’s refusal to ever change it.
  • [24:33] “That’s the iconic Rinna hair that we know.”
• Soap opera audition struggles, her late break at twenty-nine.
  • [29:24] Jo: “Screen testing for seven soaps... is a big deal.”
• Method acting: Soap jobs as “the best acting boot camp” due to lines per day and emotional demands.
  • [31:29] Chelsea: “You have to learn your lines and go up day after day...”

8. On-Set Harassment and Early #MeToo Discussion

• Rinna describes on-set bullying but claims—awkwardly—that her own “frequency” prevented sexual harassment.
  • [36:25] Chelsea, incredulous: “Her frequency she put out is what stops assault? So a frequency can stop assault if you were me too’d? What was your vibe?”

9. Relationship with Harry Hamlin

• Narrative that Harry “created” her and a portrait of a marriage with little in common except business ambitions.
  • [39:11] “He created a monster. Crediting him for her whole personality.”
• Odd “thank you” to Michael Bolton for stealing Harry’s then-wife, thus making Rinna/Harry possible.
  • [46:09] “He grabbed my hand... ‘You are so welcome.’”

10. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Deep Dive

• Entry to RHOBH: Harry initially threatened divorce if Rinna joined.
  • [47:19] “Harry tells her that he will divorce her if she does the show. And then she drops just casually... how much money these women are making... and he reconsiders immediately.”
• Housewives as performance: Rinna describes filming as “acting,” coordinating storylines with producers, and accuses producers and Lisa Vanderpump of manipulative editing.
  • [48:45] Jo: “She does call being on Housewives acting and says, like, let’s make no bones about it. It’s acting.”
• Multiple betrayals, deep snark toward castmates (Sutton, Garcelle, Kyle, LVP, Denise, etc.).
  • [52:04] Rinna’s book quote: “Let’s start with Sutton, who is living proof that money can’t buy you taste... She’s frumpy, there’s no sex appeal about her whatsoever, and she’s got a weird body, so God bless her.”

11. Kathy Hilton & ‘The Sprinter Van Incident’

• Recounts the infamous off-camera meltdown in Aspen; hints at cover-ups involving Bravo and the “Hilton machine.”
  • [55:46] Marcos: “Apparently there was some incident where... she refers to him as, like, that old F word won’t [allegedly]... and Kathy apparently has some kind of tantrum that’s not really very well described by Lisa Rinna.”

12. Post-Housewives: Burnout & Entrepreneurial Hustle

• Rinna and Harry’s side hustles (marinara sauce, boutiques, etc.), financial ups and downs.
  • [63:03] “She says about her best ideas coming from a place of financial trouble: ‘It’s why I’m writing this book.’”
• Authorship authenticity: The panel suspects Rinna wrote the memoir herself due to its lack of polish and odd disclosures.
  • [64:06] Chelsea: “Now I’m turned around. I love this book because that should be printed on many memoirs of celebrities who are like, did it for the paycheck. I fully regret this.”

13. Body Image, Beauty Standards, and Contradictions

• Rinna discusses postpartum depression, antidepressants, HRT, and normalizing Botox/filler, but is deeply contradictory about eating, beauty standards, and responsibility for her children’s disordered eating.
  • [65:23] Rinna: “I personally don’t want to look at anyone else on screen who is not taking care of themselves. I want to see some kind of other upkeep people.”
  • [66:11] Marcos: “She also kind of blamed, like, 90s and 2000s tabloid culture for... having to have to do all these procedures... but also not being able to have longevity in their career. It is a little all over the place.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [07:55] Jo Feldman:
  “Crediting a memoir for its readability is... the bar is low.”
• [12:57] Jo Feldman, reading Rinna:
  “My mom had half her head taken off... she was so in shock, all she could do was put the items back in her purse.”
• [16:48] Marcos Loevanos:
  “This I can’t get behind. She’s very apologetic because she accused Yolanda of having Munchausen’s, even though she really has Lyme disease and is very public about it.”
• [24:54] Chelsea Devantez:
  “She never changes her hair again because it wasn’t a hairstylist. It was a lawnmower, and it rode over her head. And she said, this works.”
• [36:25] Chelsea Devantez:
  “So her frequency she put out is what stops assault? So a frequency can stop assault if you were me too’d? What was your vibe?”
• [52:04] Rinna (quoted):
  “Let’s start with Sutton, who is living proof that money can’t buy you taste... She’s frumpy, there’s no sex appeal about her whatsoever, and she’s got a weird body, so God bless her.”
• [63:03] Rinna (quoted):
  “It’s why I’m writing this book.”
• [64:16] Marcos Loevanos:
  “It was the most writerly thing she could do. Be, like, halfway through the book, be like, I fucking hate this.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:30] Marcos’s Lisa Rinna fandom origin story
• [07:55] Hot takes: memoir as “quick, easy read” and lack of new gossip
• [12:57] Lisa Rinna’s family trauma—the kidnapping story
• [16:11] Trauma links to Housewives behavior
• [24:33] The iconic Rinna hair origin
• [29:24] Soap opera audition struggles and “late” career break
• [31:29] Acting bootcamp: the realities of soaps
• [36:25] Rinna’s controversial take on #MeToo
• [39:11] Harry Hamlin relationship—being “created" by a man
• [47:19] Joining Housewives: Harry threatens divorce
• [52:04] Castmate call-outs—snarky fashion/appearance critiques
• [55:46] The “Kathy Hilton Sprinter Van Incident”
• [63:03] Honest admission: “It’s why I’m writing this book.”
• [65:23] Beauty standards contradictions
• [71:10] Booktool test: Did the memoir elevate anyone’s life? (Spoiler: Not really)
• [72:29] Marcos dons a full Lisa Rinna wig for comic relief

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Tone & Takeaways

The panel is witty, sarcastic, but also nuanced—admiring Lisa Rinna’s hustle and charisma, while feeling exasperated by her contradictions, superficiality, and mean-girl energy. Rinna is depicted as a hustler who’s self-aware enough to admit she’s doing it for the paycheck, yet blind to her own hypocrisy or the actual harm of her words. The memoir is ultimately seen as a messy, sometimes mean-spirited, but occasionally revealing artifact—more about brand-building than true self-reflection.

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Conclusion: The “Booktool Test”

• Vulnerability: Some, especially regarding family trauma; lacking in self-awareness elsewhere.
• Entertainment: Polarizing—fun for some, exasperating for others.
• Life Elevation: If anything, it shows that “impulse-driven chaos” sometimes pays off in TV-land, but maybe not in personal growth.
• Final Note: The show closes in hysterics as Marcos dons a Rinna wig, embodying Lisa’s “own it” spirit—proof that no matter how chaotic, Lisa Rinna is still entertaining enough to inspire both laughter and groans.

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Transcript

[Marcos Loevanos]

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[Chelsea Damages]

before we dive into this week's episode, I gotta tell you, this was almost behind the Paywall, but I said bring it out to the free feed. I feel like a lot of people are going to want to hear Lisa Rinna's Wild, Wild memoir. And coming up on the podcast we have Christina Applegate's memoir, Liza Minnelli's memoir, Brandy Norwood. So much is on the way. And instead of a Lisa episode behind the Paywall, I came back from South By. I immediately watched the entire latest season of Mormon Wives which tells you my mental state and I feel like I need to do a State of the nation address talking about Mormon Wives, Bachelorette Love is Blind and some of the books we've covered kind of all in one. I have so much I need to yell about. So that will only be for subscribers. Sign up on Patreon or Apple Subscription podcasts if you want to hear Mormon Wives Bachelorette Love is Blind, maybe Lindy's book State of the Nation wrap up and today enjoy the iconic fucking Lisa Rinna. Or not. You find out. Welcome to Glamorous Trash. This is a podcast that recaps celebrity memoirs and all other kinds of things like viral articles and other glamorous trash

[Joe Feldman]

to elevate your life.

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm your host Chelsea Damages. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, author and sometimes I'm in stuff too. And today is an extra fun, extra special episode. I am here with co host Joe Feldman, frequent guest on the podcast. Joe, what would you like Your number one credit to be today as I introduce you.

[Joe Feldman]

You mean from hosting in the past?

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. Like, what's the product?

[Joe Feldman]

Probably the Fran Drescher episode and talking about how she force fed me chapped liver.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, that was a really good moment. Joe is also a TV writer and we are here with amazing guest. Dear friend of mine also has been on this podcast before. It is Mar. Marcos Loevanos, also a TV writer and executive producer and all these types of things. Marcos, what's one thing they should know about you?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, gosh, let's see.

[Chelsea Damages]

What's a show you wrote on where you're like, I did that.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I wrote on Love Victor, which I took a lot of my personal life from that. And I feel really validated that heated rivalry is very popular right now because it's like, not exactly the same concept, but very similar. And so I feel, yeah, very validated that people like to watch two horny gay people get it on.

[Chelsea Damages]

It's always so nice. And God, we just can't wait for season two, too.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I know.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, I brought you both here today to cover Lisa Rinna's memoir. Lisa Rinna, most iconically known as a housewife from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She recently starred as a traitor, the first one voted off on this most recent season of the Traitors. She also starred in daytime soap operas, many other things. She's had a million businesses. We are going to get into her whole story here first. Before we do that, I do want to let you know a trigger warning for discussions of sensitive topics, including assault, domestic violence, weight diets, body image, substance use, and discussions of the MeToo movement that are pretty harsh. Marcos, you text me before I even knew this book was being published. So you were ahead of me and Christina even in the trades. You said I must do this book. I had no idea you had this in you. What's the Lisa Rinna obsession? Desire, adoration, hate. What is it?

[Marcos Loevanos]

So I'm obsessed with Lisa Rinna. I love her. I feel like I got her on Housewives just from sheer will of, like, wanting it, you know, even though I had nothing to do with it.

[Chelsea Damages]

Like, you willed her to be on the show because you wanted it so badly. So you're a Pre Housewives Lisa Rinna fan.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I feel like I manifested it. There's just something about her being from la. I'm from here, I'm from la, and I love it so much. And before there was Valerie Cherish in the Comeback, there was Lisa Rinna in Hollywood.

[Joe Feldman]

Wow, that is so Apartment.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah. And there's just something about someone who I think loves this business so much that they're willing to literally do anything from like, sell adult diapers to be on the Traders and dive into a ice cold Scottish lake trying to win $200,000 even though she probably doesn't need it. That just is very admirable to me and I love it. And I just think she's so funny. And I've also worked with her on a show that I wrote on called Lopez vs Lopez. I pitched her to play this guest star and she did it and she was so funny and she was amazing. And she threw a glass of water in George Lopez's face. And the way she did it, I don't quite know the physics of it, but she did it and it exploded like a firework. I've never.

[Chelsea Damages]

She knew how to throw a drink.

[Joe Feldman]

She's done it before, multiple times.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Like, the physics of it. Like, it went into the Jurassic park ride like 20 miles away. It was crazy.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. I love this so much. I did not realize she was on the show. That is amazing, Marcus. And yes, when you said you loved her, I was like, this is unexpected. And you, you're booked. Okay, so now I must bring in our host. She's going to guide us through Joe Feldman. So I, I'm not a Rinna fan. I'm a Housewives fan. I was a Rinna fan. Traders. I'm out. I'm out. She turned me. I'm so mad at her for such a shoddy performance. When Colton had to remind her that she's supposed to be iconic and you saw her be like, oh, yeah. And then all she could muster was like, I'm Lisa Brenna and I'm fucking iconic. And it's like, no, you have to actually, like do something. And then in the Traders reunion, Andy was like, what was your most iconic move? And then she said the move that literally got her out. Like, it just didn't seem like the there was there. And I always thought there was a there there behind Lisa Rinna. Like, I thought she hung onto that Lisa Rinna hair instead of all the other better hair for a reason. Oh, you did. And now I'm just like, no, she's just, she's just wobbling about seeing what happens. That's. However, Marcos, I don't want to offend. And I said, I don't think I'm the person for this. So I texted Jo Feldman, I said, you're a Lisa Rinna fan, right? She wrote back, how dare you offensive. You had to ask. She said. You should have known. Yeah, I was just checking.

[Joe Feldman]

Rude.

[Chelsea Damages]

And so now you two are going to take us through this book, and I'm going to be here to guide and guffaw and act as the audience, and I. I want you to plead your case now, Marcos, before I pass

[Joe Feldman]

it off to Joe.

[Chelsea Damages]

Did you like the book?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, I did. You know, I liked it. It was very easy to read, very quick. Was not in a panic to finish before we did this. Not bad, because sometimes these celebrity memoirs like Barbra Streisand's can be chock full of, like, every little detail. And this was, like, you know, a pretty good skim.

[Chelsea Damages]

Lisa's was a voice note, I'm sure. Okay. Jo Feldman did not like the memoir. I love when this happens. I love when there's a lover and a hater. Joe, what can we expect from this episode? What are the headlines?

[Joe Feldman]

Okay, first of all, I just have to say, like, crediting a memoir for its readability is. The bar is low.

[Chelsea Damages]

And you're saying because it was quick and easy.

[Joe Feldman]

It was a quick and easy read. It also. It bounces. Or it be. It be bouncing. She is here, there, everywhere. I think ultimately what bothered me about the whole book is that she sets it up like she's going to give us all of this housewives tea. And then I felt like everything that was tea was stuff she had already said on the show.

[Chelsea Damages]

Show.

[Joe Feldman]

So I wasn't getting, like, I wasn't getting new goss.

[Chelsea Damages]

Did you get any new goss, Marcos?

[Marcos Loevanos]

No, I feel the exact same way as Jen. Like, it's pretty much a lot of the stuff that if you're a fan, you kind of already know. I feel like the only thing, like, maybe that's new is, like, the severity with which she doesn't like certain people.

[Joe Feldman]

Oh, yeah, baby.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay. Okay. I can't wait for that. Okay, Joe, take us to the first big highlight of the book.

[Joe Feldman]

Well, shall we just start at the beginning?

[Chelsea Damages]

Start at the beginning.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay, very good. First of all, each chapter of this book starts with a quote, an editorial on the quote, and then a paragraph framing the chapter. And I've, like, never seen that much work done to begin a chapter of a book.

[Chelsea Damages]

Like. Like a. Here's what you're about to read. Generative AI summary. Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

This is for chapter one. It says, first the quote. Oof, you're so angry. That's a classic Lisa Rinna quote. Then underneath it, in a smaller font, it says, or grief turned me into A monster. And then after that, it has a paragraph that says, I said this to Denise Richards in one of my most merciless moments in Real Housewives of Beverly Hills history when I confronted her about her alleged sapphic affair with Brandi Glanville. But karma kind of came back and bit me in the ass for this one because by my last season, I became the super angry one. The fallout from that volatile episode sent me on a path I never saw coming.

[Chelsea Damages]

That's the whole chapter.

[Marcos Loevanos]

And then.

[Joe Feldman]

And then the chapter begins. And that's. Every chapter starts with like a three prong argument for what you're about to read. That doesn't necessarily reflect what you're about to read.

[Marcos Loevanos]

No. Yeah. So if you don't really want to read it, you can just kind of like.

[Joe Feldman]

You can read the book. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

So it should be said that there's a prologue to the book and it introduces her first day shooting Real Housewives where she says Brandi Glanville splashed Eileen with wine and that the producers had set her up to do this. And this is like her first spilling of tea, which is also, I think my issue is a lot of her tea is not corroborated or fact checked. So you don't really know if anything she says is true.

[Chelsea Damages]

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[Joe Feldman]

So in this chapter, it's on grief. It's why her grief drove her to burning bridges with all of her friends from Beverly Hills. But it's also a chapter about Lois, her mom. And if you watch Beverly Hills, you love Lois, right, Marcos? I feel like Lois, like, humanized Lisa.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, she is like an older, obviously, woman who dances and who she loves and who loves her family. And so. Yeah, very much so.

[Joe Feldman]

100%. If you're a fan of Housewives, you knew this story. She wants to give us the trauma right out the gate. So there's three traumatic stories right in the beginning, she says, in 1960, a couple years before I was born, my mom was kidnapped by a co worker named David Carpenter. He drove her down a deserted road where he stabbed her and hit her over the head with a hammer multiple times. Thank God a military policeman had seen Carpenter turn off and thought it was odd. When Carpenter realized they'd been followed, he got out of his car to attack the policeman who shot him in the stomach. My mom had half her head taken off, but she opened the car door and then her purse spilled. She was so in shock, all she could do was put the items back in her purse. She was in the hospital for three months. My mom and dad had started dating six weeks prior.

[Marcos Loevanos]

What?

[Joe Feldman]

This man who attacked her mother also later went to prison for being a serial killer.

[Chelsea Damages]

What do you mean later went to prison? Not from that.

[Joe Feldman]

He goes to prison, he comes out of prison, and then he kills more people in a rampage. And he is still in prison.

[Chelsea Damages]

Horrifying.

[Joe Feldman]

And yeah. And then she says her mom didn't even tell her till she was 18 and that her mom never went to therapy for it.

[Chelsea Damages]

I agree with the first thing. Disagree with the second thing. What do you think Marco's like? Like, yeah, maybe wait to tell a child to the 18, sure. No therapy.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah. Lisa talks about it on the show where it's like a little bit of a mind fuck, where it's like, if this man had killed her mother, she would not be alive. So it's like a very weird thing to think about where it's like you have like a bizarre sliding doors moment where like you could maybe not be here if like that policeman had not caught him.

[Joe Feldman]

It's an unbelievable story.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. Like really not what I was expecting to open the door.

[Joe Feldman]

And I'm so sorry to just do a straight up out the gate. Just. Absolutely.

[Chelsea Damages]

I mean, this is, this is under the quote about, oof, you're so angry.

[Joe Feldman]

Uh huh. It is, it's page 13, baby. And then she says about her mom never going to therapy. She says instead, my mom chose to wake up every day, put on a cute outfit. Outfit, do her makeup and go about her life. That's the kind of strength I'm talking about. Strength.

[Chelsea Damages]

That's not the word for strength. That's not the definition of strength.

[Joe Feldman]

Why, what would you call that?

[Chelsea Damages]

A psychosis? Repression is easier. That makes it easier to get through the day by focusing on your superficial outfit and whatever works. But wow.

[Joe Feldman]

She has other traumas. She has a half sister named Loreen. Laureen was married at 16 and then again at 19. And then when she was 21 and Lisa Rinna was 6, Laureen accidentally overdoses and dies. Rinna says after Laureen died, I never had my dad again. That her dad just like pushed everyone away because he was just so scared to love and be hurt that he just couldn't be there for her. And then she says her dad later dies and much later in life, in his old age, as one of the first assisted suicides after Oregon passed a death with dignity act, he reached a

[Marcos Loevanos]

point, I guess, in his life where he was really sick and like, was blind and couldn't speak and was asking for this and they were able to give it to him. And you know, it was very beautifully written.

[Joe Feldman]

I thought it was. Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

You know, but she does, it's weird. She does connect the death of her sister Laureen to why she was so concerned about Kim Richards and Yolanda Hadid later. And like, and kind of uses that as like the reasoning behind the drive for focusing on Kim and her addiction issues and Yolanda and her, you know, her Lyme disease.

[Chelsea Damages]

Now how does Lyme disease, how is that connected with addiction? And I understand people have their feelings about chronic Lyme disease, which is different than Lyme disease, but Again, how does it. What, Draw, you know, what. Make it work for me? Marcos, you believe in Rena? What. What is she saying there?

[Marcos Loevanos]

This I can't get behind. She's very apologetic because she accused Yolanda of having Munchausen's, even though she really has Lyme disease and is very public about it.

[Chelsea Damages]

So, no, she. Chronic Lyme disease. Listen, I've been down such a hill with this, with Crystal Hefner. That's because chronic Lyme disease is not something medical practitioners recognize. Lyme disease is something they recognize where it's like, yes, you can have Lyme disease. Yes, that's a real thing. But if you say chronic, like, it's a forever disease, this is not something that medical doctors say is real.

[Joe Feldman]

She also says, Yolanda, I think that Bella also has chronic Lyme disease. But Rinna also, like, makes all these connections to justify the whole Yolanda thing. But then also later in the book says that she was basically under duress at the hands of Lisa Vanderpump, and that's why she did it, that Lisa directed her to do that bidding other

[Chelsea Damages]

Lisa directed Lisa Rinna to call Yolanda out on faking her disease. Right. Which I do think. I know there's a lot of controversy about her chronic Lyme disease, and she wrote a whole memoir about that, which I'm sure people will ask us to

[Joe Feldman]

cover, but I'm just really going back and forth. Okay, so we're covering, like, a lot of her trauma. In this chapter, she talks about how Lois, at the age of 93, has a stroke that she never quite recovers from. So she goes to Oregon, she puts her mother in hospice, and has this, like, really beautiful time with her at the end with her husband Harry Hamlin, and her two daughters. And she gets the advice from Kyle Richards that you have to leave your departing loved one alone, because sometimes they don't feel like they can go, Which I did experience with my grandma, which is that, like, a person that is in a dying state might want to do that in private and not have their family witness it. Okay. So she does credit Kyle for giving her this, like, really lovely advice. And they say goodbye to Lois. And then later in the early morning, Lois passes away. And then she says that three days later, producers asked her to go to Mexico for the eighth season of Beverly Hills. And she says, technically, I could have waited a couple weeks, then shown up, but they couldn't afford to be without me. And now this is one of the moments in the book where I just feel like she says, Something as a fact. But it leaves more questions because it's like, did the producer say, you don't need to come, you are in mourning? And she thought, they can't possibly do this without me. Because that's what I think happened. What did you think, Marcos?

[Marcos Loevanos]

I 100% agree, because she literally says, they couldn't do the show without me. They needed me. There was nothing else. They had nothing else. But they had a lot of other women with a lot of other drama. And as we've seen from these shows, they can spin something out of literally nothing.

[Joe Feldman]

So they make you.

[Chelsea Damages]

It's also funny to say, they couldn't do this without me. And then they immediately fired her and did it without her 100%, which she

[Joe Feldman]

does contest being fired. Okay, so she gives us like a little background on her childhood. She was born in Newport Beach. They moved to Medford, Oregon from an early age. She loves acting. She has the bug right away. She has, like, one of those cool moms that sneaks her into R rated movies. And also, Lois had always wanted to be in show business, but never actually went for it. So she feels a little bit like she's living out her mother's dream by starting to perform. And I should say one thing also about Lois that I thought was interesting is that she said a big hallmark of emotional processing in their house was done by shopping. And that Lois would go and, like, buy expensive things and then immediately return them just for the dopamine hit of, like, purchasing something. And she said you have a feeling, you push it down and you go and buy something.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wait, Lois said that or Lisa said that?

[Joe Feldman]

Lisa said that, yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Does this explain Lisa Rinna?

[Joe Feldman]

Does it explain the fact that she has what looks like one of those moving pods on her driveway where she keeps all of her couture?

[Marcos Loevanos]

She talks about later in the book. Yeah. How she doesn't get rid of anything. And the few things that she did get rid of in her lifetime, she regrets, like, very much.

[Joe Feldman]

Yes.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Recall recalls it instantly.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. So her mom would buy in return for the dopamine hit. Lisa Rinna just buys a lot of, like, you cannot be sad and depressed if you just have a nice outfit on. Which is interesting, because if that worked, I'd be fucking happy every day.

[Joe Feldman]

Like, I didn't know that.

[Chelsea Damages]

I can't believe that works for some people.

[Joe Feldman]

Very true. Okay, so a theme comes up early of Lisa dating men that she feels she sort of hides behind and doesn't have a lot of. I don't think it's quite agency, but she doesn't have a confidence in herself. She dates this guy Bob. They date for eight years, starting when she's like 18 years old. They moved to Boston for her to go to college and she immediately gets a psychic moment that says, like, I cannot be here. This is not for me. They come right back. Then she and Bob go to Portland, she gets her first modeling job. Then they go to San Francisco. She books a gig in Japan where she is sent as a 19 year old to live in an apartment in with other teenage models. And she gets a little homesick and only eats bread and goes home after a few weeks.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It's really weird to read her say things like that. She's not assertive and she's not confident and she's submissive to men because it's very much like the opposite of what we all know her to be now. And some of us love her. Clearly not Chelsea. But you know, it's just odd. It's just. It feels like you're hearing about another person. But you know, I think she's.

[Chelsea Damages]

I gotta tell you, I. It's not that I'm like, I don't have it out for Rinna. It's that traitors really unmasked her for me. And she really does match from what I saw in Traitors, the things that are in this book subservient, not confident following other leadership. Whereas in Housewives she was so in her element. She really led the charge on a lot of things, especially in that last season. She started drama. She just really seemed to be in her own, where it almost feels like maybe that was something that was available to her then or she grew into, but that at her core she can go back to these places of not feeling progression.

[Joe Feldman]

It's. It is interesting too because I feel like Housewives get a lot of criticism specifically on Traders for not being gamers, when I feel like housewives actually are gamers because there's so much producing, they do so much scheming and producing. And Lisa Rinna is like the gamiest of all of these housewives. And it is interesting that she likes kind of flailed in that scenario because when she was first revealed to be a traitor, I was like, this is gonna be so good. But she went further than I thought she would.

[Chelsea Damages]

Hmm. All right, then what happens after Bob?

[Joe Feldman]

Chelsea's such a hater.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, well, listen, you guys can be here to love and I will hate and together we'll make a full episode.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay, so she moves to la. She and Bob eventually break up. She starts taking acting classes where a teacher describes her as the ingenue. What did you think of that, Marcos?

[Marcos Loevanos]

I laughed out loud because she thought it was an insult. And so she immediately hates this teacher because she thinks being called an ingenue is like a slur.

[Chelsea Damages]

Honey, it's ingenue or character actors. And character actress is the slur 100%.

[Joe Feldman]

They're like, you're gorgeous. She was like, how dare you?

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm sorry. So it's just like a vocabulary issue. Was, what was it the crux of this? Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

She says that classes made her realize that there are two types of people. I love when someone's like, there's two types of people in this world. It's always something you've never heard. There's those two who grow by nurturing and those who grow by critique. Do you guys agree with us?

[Chelsea Damages]

Let me guess. She thinks she's the nurturer one.

[Joe Feldman]

She grows by nurturing.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I agree with that a little bit in the sense that, like, you know, that old adage of, like, there's gardeners and flowers, you know, but it's never black and white. It's never one to one. I think we all have our moments when we're more, you know, caring than others. But this is also around the time, though, where she's not only following the advice of men, but she's following the advice of women, where there's a girl in her acting class who has the iconic Rinna haircut. I looked it up. It's a mix of a mullet and a pixie, and it's called, like, a mixie or, like a muxie or something like that.

[Joe Feldman]

I think she also said shag somewhere in there, too.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes. And she asks this girl, like, what. Like, what is this hair? Where did you get it? And she says, oh, well, it's the stylist. So the stylist, whose name she can't remember, comes to her apartment, gives her this shag cut, and then, like, leaves, and that's the iconic Rinna hair that we know.

[Chelsea Damages]

She never changes her hair again because

[Joe Feldman]

it wasn't a hairstylist. It was a lawnmower, and it rode over her head. And she said, this works.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow.

[Joe Feldman]

This is a thing I've. I've heard before, which is, like, a lot of celebrity. I actually feel like I've said this before on this podcast that a lot of celebrities, they find their look wherever they find success. They try to retain that look. And she basically says that she's like, why mess with perfection? Like, she booked her first acting role starring opposite Angela Lansbury. She's like, I'm not touching it.

[Chelsea Damages]

God, I'm so afraid. This is me because I. Because I just can't imagine living without bangs. But it's like, am I gonna get to a point in my life where I still have them and everyone is like this. What is this muxy on her face?

[Joe Feldman]

Nobody's. Nobody's thinking that about bangs.

[Chelsea Damages]

Not yet.

[Joe Feldman]

Bangs are not controversial enough.

[Chelsea Damages]

I disagree.

[Joe Feldman]

People in his hair is the way I hate. Any other.

[Chelsea Damages]

How most people feel about bangs.

[Joe Feldman]

Hair in 2026. Like, no one has her hair.

[Chelsea Damages]

I listen. Bangs are under attack. And yet I persist.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I also think there are some people that forever hair looks good on them. Like, and a wintour. Like, I can't think of her with another hairstyle other than that. Like, oh, good mushroomy bowl cut. You know what I mean?

[Joe Feldman]

Jennifer Aniston.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. Like, Jennifer Aniston could always have the Rachel and it would work. Lisa Kudrow also always has usually straight mid length. Yeah. Interesting. Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

You know who I'd like to see different hair on? Keith Urban.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, buddy.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, man. Could we get him one of Nicole Kidman's wigs in the Divorce? Could we please get you some different styles, different swoops?

[Joe Feldman]

So she gets her first role on Murder She Wrote with Angela Lansbury, which is very cool. But she's still, like, working. She's gig working. She's working at a sunglass shop, it seems like at the Beverly one night, she's out with her boss. She has to return something to him, and he's having drinks with Harry Hamlin, who's, like, huge at the time. He's on LA Law. He's super hot. Now she knows that he is married to Nicolette Sheridan. So she says she's, like, very much at ease. She's confident, she's dazzling. She doesn't think much about it. And it turns out she finds out afterwards that his world has just been rocked because three days earlier, Nicolette had left him for Michael Bolton.

[Chelsea Damages]

Cool. I gotta tell you, Michael Bolton and Harry Hamlin, similar vibes. Don't they both give, like, saxophone energy?

[Joe Feldman]

I want you to go. Go speak on that.

[Chelsea Damages]

All right. Both Michael Bolton and Harry Hamlin are like, oh, hey, doesn't that feel like them?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Like, they're like, hey, a little bit also tan.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

90s heartthrobs. Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. Facial features that are handsome, but also fully their own. Like, they're like. And I'm Not. I'm not even trying to call Michael Bolton handsome. Like, I have to remember he's handsome because I think of him and I go, ick. And then I look at his face. I was like, no, that's supposed to be handsome face. Listen, Marcos is really trying for me. Feldman is out. I see them both as just sort of like low key guys that somehow take center stage. Like, they both have, like, quiet charisma, I guess. Quiet charisma.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

I think if you switch their careers, like, I could see it. Like, Michael Bolton could be making spaghetti sauce in a jar on Real Housewives 100.

[Marcos Loevanos]

True. But Michael Bolton, I don't think could ever have been named people's sexiest man Alive.

[Joe Feldman]

Also true. I was gonna say.

[Marcos Loevanos]

No. There's that, like, Hamlin has that little extra energy.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. What year Google Michael Bolton, see if I believe in any of the. What I'm saying, Michael Bolton face.

[Marcos Loevanos]

We have to look it up.

[Chelsea Damages]

But it's like, I gotta tell you, like, he's so. In later years, he gets a short haircut and he's back, baby.

[Joe Feldman]

I'm picturing Kevin Costner a lot for Michael Bolton. Am I off there?

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, that's Michael Bolton.

[Joe Feldman]

They're not. Not just. Yeah. 1987. I see Harry Hamlin. 1987, Harry Hamlin gets people's sexiest man Alive. So at this point, Rinna. So she meets him. She goes on with her life. She's been in LA for a while. She's hustling. She screen tests for seven soaps and doesn't book any now. Did you guys watch soaps growing up?

[Chelsea Damages]

No, we didn't have TV growing up, Marco. That's what.

[Joe Feldman]

Marcos, what did you watch?

[Marcos Loevanos]

I watched a mix of, like, telenovelas, but also, like, American soaps. When my aunts, who were supposed to be babysitting me were watching the soaps with me. Yeah. Watched a lot of All My Children. Watched a lot of Days of Our Lives. Watched Passions, which was a really fun one.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

That included, like, witches and, like, magic, which was really fun. But, yeah, watched a lot of those.

[Chelsea Damages]

Love that.

[Joe Feldman]

I feel like it needs to be said that screen testing for seven soaps is, like. That takes a lot of work to get there. And for her to have seven nos. She says she's like the Susan Lucci of auditioning for soap operas. It's a big deal. I didn't watch soaps that much growing up unless I was, like, homesick from school. And that's what I did. But I do know how important soap Opera acting is and that it's, like, supposed to be the best place to train. So eventually, she lands what her mom would call the big one. She books the role of Billy Reid on Days of Our Lives.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, we're gonna take a quick break right now, and we'll be right back.

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[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, welcome back. Let's continue the conversation.

[Joe Feldman]

She auditioned against 211 girls. She was 29, and it was 1992.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wait, that's a cool late in life break. I hate to call 29 late in

[Joe Feldman]

life, but in Hollywood years, that's tough to hear.

[Chelsea Damages]

In Hollywood years, that's a. It's a. That's a tough one.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Especially for the time like, that was considered, like, oh, my God, you're.

[Joe Feldman]

Especially for the. For Anjanu character actress.

[Chelsea Damages]

You're hitting your prime. You're just getting started. 100.

[Joe Feldman]

You're dead. You did. You might as well be over the hill.

[Chelsea Damages]

You know, it's a really fun energy I bring when I don't have to host.

[Joe Feldman]

Right, guys? And when you haven't read the book she's doing Days of Our Lives. And why they say it's like acting boot camp is because she has to learn between 20 and 40 pages of dialogue a day, which to me, sounds like a nightmare.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, that's why they say soap operas are good training, because you have to, like, learn your lines and go up day after day after day and be ready to cry and be ready to laugh and be. Be ready to deal with every emotion within 24 hours.

[Joe Feldman]

And they say that when they tell a good soap actor to cry, that the best soap actor can say, from which I.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Which I left or right.

[Joe Feldman]

Honestly gives me chills to even think.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, but honestly, which soap actress? Like, who? Come on. Can Lisa Rinna cry? If Lisa Rinna could cry out of just the left eye, she'd still be. She would have beat Rob.

[Joe Feldman]

She did it on Housewives at a reunion. Thank you, Marcos.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She absolutely did.

[Chelsea Damages]

All right. Eat my words.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She gave Kim Richards a blue bunny in the season to give to her granddaughter. And Kim gave it back to her at the reunion because she said it contained bad energy and she didn't want it to be around her grandchild. And Lisa took it back and cried one gorgeous tear out of her right eye.

[Joe Feldman]

A real chunky one.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It just. And the camera got really close and you can see it, and it's. It's a gift. It's a gift.

[Joe Feldman]

So I couldn't love this more.

[Chelsea Damages]

No, it's true.

[Joe Feldman]

She is impressive. Okay. She wouldn't have had this career if she wasn't. This is where she's spilling tea that I would say no one cares about. She talks about hooking up with this actor, Patrick Muldoon, who played her brother. She does also in tea that maybe we wouldn't care about. She talks about her bully, Robert Kelker Kelly. He played her love interest. They hated each other so much, and her theory was that he wanted to fuck her and she wasn't interested, and so he would just verbally abuse her, give her the silent treatment. It got so bad that at one point, security needed to protect her and another actress from him.

[Chelsea Damages]

Another actress. Oh, my God. Also, it's like when security needs to protect two actresses. Don't you think we should just fire him?

[Joe Feldman]

We gotta fire the galaxy.

[Chelsea Damages]

And that's something to think about.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

All right.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. I mean, they replaced people on soaps. Like, no question, no explanation. Like, there's no reason they couldn't have,

[Chelsea Damages]

like, he's dead now.

[Joe Feldman]

Aunt Viv'd him immediately.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Okay, 100%.

[Joe Feldman]

So later she books Melrose Place and she replaced Hunter Tylo, which was a huge court case. Do you remember this, Marcos?

[Chelsea Damages]

Yes.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah. She got fired because she got pregnant and the writers wouldn't figure. I guess the showrunner or whatever wouldn't. Couldn't figure out a way to just write her off the show temporarily. So she got fired and she went to court and she won. And she won, like, I think like a $3 million settlement. It was a very big deal.

[Joe Feldman]

It was a very big deal. And what she did, Hunter Tylo, fun fact, I know from my old neighbor Donna, who did makeup on that show, was that Hunter Tylo wore a skin tight dress to court. And this was like, years later when they were, like, finally having the trial and the attorneys were trying to really, like, get her. Like, doesn't your body change when you're pregnant? Wouldn't it be noticeable on camera? Are there camera tricks you could do? And she stands up and she turns to the side and you realize she's fully pregnant again. At her court hearing where she is presented as not pregnant, the entire trial,

[Chelsea Damages]

everyone went, this feels like a Ryan Murphy show.

[Joe Feldman]

Pregnant Hunter Shiloh.

[Chelsea Damages]

Like, say her name, you guys from the front. You never would have known. Give her a $3 million settlement.

[Joe Feldman]

Give it to her. So Rinna felt weird about, like, taking her place and then also was like, I think pregnant shortly thereafter while doing Melrose Place.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh. And then they're like, we can't fire her.

[Joe Feldman]

Can't afford that.

[Chelsea Damages]

God, thank God for that.

[Joe Feldman]

100%. Hunter Shiloh leading the charge, she says. On Melrose Place, she becomes really close with Heather Locklear. Another theme throughout the book where she keeps talking about women supporting each other and then also saying horrible things about women. She said, there's always room for everyone to succeed. There's no need for women to be competitive. And in the next chapter, the subtitle is literally can be hard to get along with.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Listen multitudes.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

Multitudes contains multitudes. Listen. I talk about it all the time in private text messages with you both. That being a feminist doesn't mean you like all women. No, women can be bad. And I can also hope for your equal rights and dignity. And also you can be a. Now that said, I don't know if Rinna is really encapsulating that type of feminism I'm talking about, but go on.

[Joe Feldman]

I don't know, maybe you listen to this little snippet it and see if it changes your tune. I've been bullied by male co stars and I've definitely experienced plenty of sexism in this industry. But thankfully, I've never experienced a me too moment. I'm not sure what vibration I was putting out because truly no one ever with me in that way. I was never assaulted. No one ever made sexual advances towards me. I'm so fortunate to have skipped that trauma because sometimes it seems like I'm the only female actor in the business who can say they weren't accosted or downright abused.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, I.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh my God. Oh my God. What? So her. Her frequency she put out is what stops assault. So a frequency can stop assault if

[Joe Feldman]

you are were me too. What was your vibe?

[Chelsea Damages]

What vibes were you putting out, girlfriend? Also, she's the only one who can say Lisa. Marcos, defend.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I don't. Well, okay. This. I don't. I can't defend it, but I can. I can give a little something that maybe might, like, take the taste out of your mouth a little bit. Is that she's very into astrology. I don't know.

[Chelsea Damages]

Worse.

[Joe Feldman]

Go ahead.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I think she said she's a Cancer and she does not like Virgos. So, you know, which I don't agree with, but which is interesting because she

[Chelsea Damages]

seems like a Virgo.

[Joe Feldman]

It's interesting you say this, Marcos, because I said to Chelsea, I felt like this book was like if the astrological signs were personified through. But like, I think this book was a Gemini. And I was like, this book is so flip floppy. And I look it up and guess what Gemini is? Her rising sign, which Chani Nichols says is the one you're supposed to be reading in your horoscopes.

[Marcos Loevanos]

That makes sense.

[Chelsea Damages]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Marcos, but didn't you just text me about a Gemini the other day being like, fuck this bitch.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I hate them. I can't stand them. They're my fault.

[Chelsea Damages]

Sorry to all Geminis listening. We're not talking about you.

[Joe Feldman]

Listen, I'm a Gemini. Okay, you are. But again, my rising sign is Virgo, which I way more. I relate to being a Virgo way more. I don't feel like I'm a Gemini whatsoever.

[Marcos Loevanos]

That makes sense.

[Joe Feldman]

Chelsea, do you feel like I'm a Gemini?

[Chelsea Damages]

No. No. It really doesn't make sense. I have to say, I have a couple for all the people who are Geminis who just got upset. One of my very best friends in the world, a Gemini. And every year I have to re ask her sign because I'm like, no way. So I think Gemini gets a bad rap. However, Lisa Rinna, Gemini.

[Joe Feldman]

No, but it's right for this book. This book is a Gemini and Lisa Rinna's rising sign is Gemini. And it's just like she cannot land the plane on any opinion.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Not all Geminis, but also you should ask yourselves, what vibe are you putting out?

[Joe Feldman]

What vibe are you putting out? A Gemini's vibe.

[Chelsea Damages]

This is where I'm looking at the editor and the co author or the typist or the lap dog who wrote this? I don't know who wrote this, but I'm looking at you. That. How dare you? That's egregious. This is a February 2026 book. Like you have time to read a page about assault and realize it doesn't come from frequency.

[Joe Feldman]

If you're putting me too in your book. How are you not being more delicate?

[Marcos Loevanos]

This is why I think she actually wrote it. Like, I really.

[Chelsea Damages]

This is the best evidence for it. Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay. So she details this, as I said, this life of being passive in relationships to men, fading into their interests. When she starts eventually dating Harry Hamlin, she felt she didn't have anything interesting to say. And she says that he created her. She said he created a monster. Crediting him for her whole personality.

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm so sorry. It is so funny to give a man credit for who you are and then also be like, he's bad, and it's bad.

[Joe Feldman]

He did this to me. And be mad at him for all.

[Chelsea Damages]

Isn't this like Adam creating a woman from his rib? And she's like, and he gave me the bitchy rib.

[Joe Feldman]

Yes.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, so they. This is crazy. Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

They fall in love over the phone while he's on location. This is, like, height of his fame. Paparazzi was following them everywhere. They would go out dancing. He takes her to a list parties. He's buying her expensive clothes. Versace, a liar. Like, gets her really into fashion at one point. They go to a party at Jackie Collins 24 million dollar mansion. She's at a party at her house with Melanie Griffith, Sidney Poitier, Michael Caine, Kathy Griffin, and Sylvester Stallone.

[Chelsea Damages]

Kathy Griffin. Nightmare.

[Joe Feldman]

Blunt rotation. Am I right?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. Hollywood parties used to be so cool in the sense of, like, what were those people doing in a room together?

[Joe Feldman]

What were they talking?

[Chelsea Damages]

What was.

[Joe Feldman]

Cocaine.

[Marcos Loevanos]

They were doing cocaine.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Feldman]

Marco is making it all make sense. So she and Harry get married in 1997 in the house that you see right on Beverly Hills, which I do always love that house. Doesn't it look beautiful?

[Marcos Loevanos]

It looks so good.

[Joe Feldman]

It's best house on the show, for sure. After Yolanda's fridge. But no one could actually use that fridge. She says a lot of things about Harry being smart. She brings it up a lot. She said Harry always listens to podcasts and books. Looks. He's so smart. Therefore, his brain needs food. It must be filled at all times. Mine does not talk about opposites attracting. Harry and I have nothing in common.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. Because they've been married a long time.

[Joe Feldman]

They've been married for, like, 30 years.

[Chelsea Damages]

I gotta say, listening to podcasts doesn't make you smart. Unless you list which ones you're listening to, because some of those really could be making you dumber. It really depends on what you're listening to.

[Joe Feldman]

A hundred percent. She says Like a lot of married couples, they fight about money. They only recently got joint bank accounts, which I thought was very interesting. At one point, she does a Depends commercial where she gets a huge paycheck. The rumor is it was around $2 million, and they even donated $250,000 to a charity of her choice. She gets Harry to get in on the Depends adult diapers commercials with her. She says, get yourself a husband who will star in an adult diapers commercial with you, and I promise, you're golden.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Huh.

[Chelsea Damages]

Marcos, what do you think about that advice?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Listen, she's an entrepreneur. I will say, I do think, because she does talk about Kris Jenner in the book and about Kris Jenner's hustle and how she admires it, I do think there was, like, a little bit of that in her before. It was like, okay. Like, she was okay with being, like, a C list celebrity, but cashing in, making all the money, and creating this foundation. And it would kind of blacklist you from, like, bigger name things until really, like, the Kardashians sort of got rid of all that. And now you can kind of like, float back and forth between, you know, high and low.

[Chelsea Damages]

You can float back and forth between selling flat tummy tea and starring in a Hulu elevated sitcom.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

All right. Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

There's no shame.

[Chelsea Damages]

Interesting. Both those women, Chris and Lisa. Muxies. Mux.

[Joe Feldman]

Whoa.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Very true.

[Chelsea Damages]

Is my long hair holding me back? Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

Chelsea gets a muxy immediately.

[Chelsea Damages]

I gotta tell you, Marcos kind of has a Lexi.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, I kind of do a little bit. And I. And I don't mind being compared to Kris Jenner at all, so.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, but what about Lisa Rinna.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, sure. Okay. I don't have quite the highlights anymore, but, you know, I understand.

[Joe Feldman]

I understand you. You have a gorgeous head of hair, but thank you.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Thank you.

[Joe Feldman]

So, Marcos, it's really interesting that you said about getting blacklisted, because in 1982, Harry makes a movie called Making Love. It's a movie where he plays a gay man. And the description verbatim in the book is similar to Google. And she says this movie gets him blacklisted. It took him 40 years to book another studio film that film. 80 for Brady.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Anyone? 80 for Brady. 80 for Brady.

[Chelsea Damages]

Haven't seen it.

[Joe Feldman]

Sally Field, Rita Moreno, Jane Fonda.

[Marcos Loevanos]

But also in the same breath, Joe, as you know, she says it took him all this time, but she also says he was offered every major role for the last 40 years and he rejected it. Yeah, he rejected this and that and the other role, like, right.

[Joe Feldman]

So it's like, was he black? Yes. She says he kept getting offered deals by these big studios, but then also he was blacklisted by studios for playing a gay man.

[Chelsea Damages]

Which one? Where do we think the truth is? I have my guess. Marcos, what do you think?

[Marcos Loevanos]

It's not true at all.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. I think my truth is that both of them are blind. I definitely can see, like, that movie being controversial, especially in that year that you could totally get blacklisted. However, by the time Brokeback Mountain comes through with straight dudes and wins a bunch of Academy Awards, like, blacklist chimes up. And that was two decades before 80 for Brady.

[Joe Feldman]

But also this movie was in 1982, and in 1987, he was People's sexiest man alive. So that math ain't math in it.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, right. This is not tracking.

[Joe Feldman]

It's not tracking.

[Marcos Loevanos]

The 90s has, like, a really long track record of straight men playing gay and, like, winning Oscars. Like the Hanks in Philadelphia.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Like, you know, so it kind of doesn't totally, you know, Daniel Day Lewis, My Beautiful Laundrette. Like, it's a little weird.

[Chelsea Damages]

Kind of just sounds like he never got another studio movie.

[Joe Feldman]

Did not book.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay. I'm sorry, Harry. Well. Well, she also touches very briefly on Harry being recently sober when she took Beverly Hills, but never goes into another detail about that playing into their marriage or anything. She talks about, again about how smart Harry is. Harry studied psychology in college. He went to Yale, I think, and that he had a copy of the DSM 5, which is like the diagnostic book for mental illnesses. And it was through that book that he was able to explain to her what a narcissist was. When she would come home from filming Beverly Hills and be like, why did this happen? You would be like, you're surrounded by narcissists.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I'm.

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm furious. So his college undergrad, studied psychology, still had the old ass, dusty textbook that surely has not had the updates that the mental health field has had, and then tells her that her castmates are narcissists by pulling out his college textbook, which also, like, you don't need a textbook to do that. Go online, and then everyone in the comments will be like, they're actually a narcissist and I'm diagnosing them. And you're like, you shouldn't be diagnosing anyone. And then the memes pass around, and then, like, all of a sudden, everyone is diagnosed.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah, the Internet's very comfortable. Diagnosing people.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

You don't need a textbook for that.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

Fascinating.

[Joe Feldman]

Years after her and Harry have been together forever, they've had two kids, she sees Michael Bolton. So she says she wants to go say something to him. So I marched right over to him, and as he looked up at me, I said, I have to thank you, because without you, I would not have this beautiful husband, this beautiful life, and my beautiful children. He grabbed my hand and held it between his two hands, looked me in the eye, and said very tenderly and earnestly, you are so welcome. He really took my compliment to heart, and I wasn't surprised by it at all.

[Chelsea Damages]

This wasn't a compliment. Which one of them is confused about it being a compliment, her or him?

[Joe Feldman]

She did put compliment in quotations.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh.

[Joe Feldman]

But she's like, you're you. Like, you stole my husband's wife and it made my life better. I will say this is in a Beverly Hills, like, small worldiness of it all. Nicolette Sheridan was married to that guy Aaron, who Denise Richards was married to who?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes, Marc, I did not know that.

[Joe Feldman]

Huh. She went from Michael Bolton to Aaron, and then Aaron married Denise, and now there's, like, charges against him for battery.

[Chelsea Damages]

And also. So at the time she said this, are we just assuming she was still with Michael Bolton? Because I bet they weren't together because they already broken up.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah, I don't even think they were together.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, shady, Shady. Michael Bolton, Shady.

[Marcos Loevanos]

They were only together very briefly after she left Harry.

[Joe Feldman]

Do you guys remember when everyone hated her on Desperate Housewives? What? That whole drama was like they wouldn't film with her or something. Wow.

[Chelsea Damages]

And here I was thinking it was just the character she played. But no, I remember there was. I remember there was a lot of drama with that cast, but I didn't

[Joe Feldman]

remember specifically it was with Nicolette.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

All right, so we're moving on to Housewives, which is why we all wanted to read this book.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. Why we're all here.

[Joe Feldman]

Harry tells her that he will divorce her if she does the show. And then she drops just casually in front of him how much money these women are making doing brand deals. And he reconsiders immediately.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. She really does love Mina. Sell out. It's like, fun and juicy to her.

[Joe Feldman]

I think that is what they bond over is like, let's keep being rich forever.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay.

[Chelsea Damages]

So they do have a lot in common.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. So there's three conditions for her doing the show. Okay. One of them is no Harry. That Harry will not be on the show. Which immediately gets negotiated to. Harry will be on three times a season, but never with other husbands, actually.

[Chelsea Damages]

Love that. I love that he's refusing to be a dad talk. Good for him.

[Joe Feldman]

It's so great. The next one is no drinking, which I don't think I realized.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, I don't think I did either.

[Chelsea Damages]

I did all that sober.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I thought she did.

[Joe Feldman]

She said it changed after season eight.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It feels like it was maybe only for one season that she didn't drink.

[Chelsea Damages]

She didn't drink.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Because it feels like very quickly she got into it.

[Joe Feldman]

Very. Yes. And then she also talks about, like, having to titrate down from an addiction to sleeping pills and that sleeping pills are why she doesn't remember her fight with Kim Richards where she said that she was close to death, which was a huge, huge fight.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

And she did say that she stayed sober her last season for Erica because Erica wasn't drinking.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay. What's the third rule?

[Joe Feldman]

I think there were just those two.

[Chelsea Damages]

Do you remember she said there were three roles and then only said two?

[Joe Feldman]

I believe so, yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

She does call being on Housewives acting and says, like, let's make no bones about it. It's acting.

[Chelsea Damages]

I co sign that Margos.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's. I mean, it's 100% produced, I imagine. You have to go in and like, pitch what you want your story to be. You have to tell them what your life's gonna be and you're guiding that, obviously. So, yeah, 100%.

[Joe Feldman]

She was guided to at one point say they were like, this is a lot like acting, except you're going to say all of your thoughts out loud instead of, like, using them to fuel your dialogue. Right, yeah. That was the switch. So she also said, like how we said before, that she blames Lisa for getting her in trouble with the whole Munchausen thing with Yolanda, but then said once she realized Lisa was doing that and she sort of like disentangled herself, she turns on Lisa and the producers really don't like it because she's calling out Lisa for shitty storylines. She's calling out Lisa for reaching out to the press. She accuses the producers of trying to do a backdoor pilot for Vanderpump Dogs. And they're like, we are not. And then they're like, but we actually are Vanderpump dogs. Yeah.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Is a show.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It was. It was very briefly, like, for like one season. I think it only lasted, but it was a show. Wow.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, she had a lot of power over there.

[Joe Feldman]

So Much power. She also said, again, this is like, this would be tea if she hadn't said it on the show that Lisa Vanderpump smelled like chardonnay cigarettes and mothballs.

[Chelsea Damages]

That feels really believable.

[Marcos Loevanos]

But she also says that Lisa Vanderpump was not the most upset about that comment. She was most upset about the fact that Lisa Rinna called Lisa Vanderpump's house a disco. She said it looked like a disco and that that infuriated her more than anything.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wow. That actually, I think, would be a compliment.

[Joe Feldman]

It's so. It's so funny what they take umbrage with. With each other, truly. She also, this is another moment where she is where you're just like, what do you think about women? She says she believes women create drama with other women because it feels normal.

[Chelsea Damages]

Well, yeah, I guess it has been normalized. Oh, boy. Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

Now she says that her infamous fight with Kim Richards in Amsterdam was because production made Kim lie and that Kim later admitted that to her. Marcos, do you believe?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, I mean, it's like 50, 50. You know what I mean? I'm sure producers told Kim to like, you know, poke that part of her. But also, you know, they're jet lagged. They know what they have to do. They know that they need to create drama. They're all cranky, you know, so Kim

[Chelsea Damages]

was really suffering while on that show. For anyone who doesn't watch, this is someone who was really in the throes of addiction. A really traumatic childhood. Yes. Some could argue should not have been on the show. That'd be me.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Lisa Rinna does say that in the book. She does kind of like blame Bravo and say, like, it was really irresponsible to put an addict who was going through something really, you know, difficult on the show at that time. And then he agree, you know, more them than. Than Kim for sure.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. She does have a lot of anger towards Bravo and like, rightful anger. I. I do think she says at one point that she only has three real friends in real life. Okay. One of whom are in the business. And then she also says to have a friend, you need to be a friend. She's kind of outing herself.

[Chelsea Damages]

Who are the three friends? Oh, yeah. They're like, I'm afraid you have to be a friend. And she's only a friend of three people.

[Joe Feldman]

Three friends. They're like normies. They're just like, I think school moms.

[Chelsea Damages]

Great.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay. That seems amazing.

[Chelsea Damages]

Healthier than now.

[Joe Feldman]

I'm going to take us on a little journey. Okay. And it's gonna be tough. And this is her talking about all of her castmates.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

This is after she's talking about herself. And she gives herself an A minus for her fashion choices on the show. I can't really think of one thing that was super bad where I cringe and go, oh, my God, that was hideous. I can't say the same for some of my cohorts. Let's start with Sutton, who is living proof that money can't buy you taste. I'll never forget when I had to watch her do a professional fitting with the Dolce and Gabbana people. She came out and I had to pretend that her outfit was cute. That's some of my best acting I've ever done. Let's be clear. This is not Dolce and Gabbana's fault. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I'm not dragging Dolce. I'm happy to drag Sutton. She's frumpy, there's no sex appeal about her whatsoever, and she's got a weird body, so God bless her.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Feldman]

Not done. Garcelle was fake from head to toe. And I'm not talking about her bags and clothes. She was not the person I knew before we went on the show. And she'd probably say the same thing about me. I love Kyle, but we called her the mother of the bride. That's her fashion vibe. LVP had the weirdest British granny style with her diamonds and button up shirts and jeans and platform shoes. Denise was a Malibu fashion victim with her dirty white toenails. I'm feeling saucy. Somebody stop me. This is the meanest woman in the world.

[Chelsea Damages]

This is brutal. It's not fun. And it is giving, like, person who tries stand up for the first time or someone, like, holds a roast for their birthday and someone's like, oh, fun. And then just gets up and, like, destroys the night. And they're like, wasn't that fun? And it was like, no, that was just, like, really vicious. This is, like, for no reason.

[Joe Feldman]

I could see her, like, doing this toast at Sutton's wedding and being like,

[Chelsea Damages]

what the body comments, Lisa, I know it's not great.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Look, I can't defend that. She does try to defend it herself by saying at some. A few times in the book, she's like, I'm having a vodka soda right now. Like, I'm writing this with, like, a drink in my hand. So she kind of.

[Chelsea Damages]

Well, it's not straight to print, bitch. Multiple rounds of revision.

[Joe Feldman]

She says she has not spoken to Garcelle since the show. She calls her a huge disappointment and that she did apologize to Yolanda and Denise, but her truce with Denise lasted three days. And then they got into it again about something she didn't say what.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that all tracks okay. What was her Kathy Hilton tea in the book?

[Joe Feldman]

Marcos, will you take us through the Kathy Hilton sprinter van incident?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes. So they are in. I believe it's Aspen. I can't quite. So they go on a cast trip to Aspen. They go out one night and Kathy is at a club. And we all know how Kathy is and she feels. I'm not quite sure if she, like, had drank a Red Bull or what, but she feels so empowered to go to the DJ and request like a Michael Jackson song because she knew him, I guess they were neighbors at one point in time. So she requests a song to the dj. The DJ says no. And apparently there was some incident where from just doing research on my own. She refers to him as like, that old F word won't allegedly. That old F word won't play my song. And this sort of spirals again, allegedly. This sort of spirals into like a weird scenario where they go home to the house that they're in. And Kathy apparently has some kind of tantrum that's not really very well described by Lisa Rinna. It's like screaming, pounding on the walls type situation. But they say it's like, scary. She also says in the same breath, like, the Hilton machine doesn't want, like, will come after me if I say anything more. So I'm not gonna do that. That basically.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. She implies that also, like, Bravo helps with a cover up. That like, that no tapes will ever see the light of day. And that Bravo and the Hilton machine are too scary.

[Chelsea Damages]

Interesting. What? Did you believe it? Her take?

[Marcos Loevanos]

I don't know. I think there's like, probably a portion of it that is true. But again, like we've seen throughout the book, there's, you know, a lot of flip flopping.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. I think Lisa Rinna witnessed Kathy saying something horrible, which. What? Makes complete sense. One.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Right.

[Chelsea Damages]

Two seconds with Kathy and you're like, absolutely. This is. This is. This is the Hilton family. They've done this.

[Joe Feldman]

She's dropping a slur. She's definitely dropping a slur.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah. So she witnessed something horrible and then she decided to use it and be like, I'm gonna ruin Kathy's life. And then Kyle and Kathy and Bravo were like, no, please don't and now it's like, what the book is writing on.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. And she also says, how about how Kathy gets preferential treatment? That after that season went so poorly, she goes to the reunion and she says that all of the reunions, you are only allowed to bring your hair and makeup people. You cannot bring, like, any entourage. But Kathy rolls in with a really high powered PR person and she's like, oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Because I think it took a lot to get Kathy on the show. And when I say Lisa used it, I mean, I don't think Lisa is an angel with her behavior. Like, I don't think that was like a valid values thing or. Or like something that she really wanted to fight for. It seemed more like being a gamer on the Housewives 100.

[Joe Feldman]

She says the reunion goes so badly that Erika Jane comes to her dressing room afterwards, tears streaming down her face, and goes, you must never come back.

[Chelsea Damages]

Well, that's funny because that's what Bravo said as well.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay. So she exits the show. She says that she texts, like, Alex Baskin and Chris Cullen, the big wigs, and emails everyone and says, like, I'm done. Andy claims in his book that she then retracted it and said it was just gonna be a pause. She said, they have their stories and I have mine. We can settle on it being a mutual decision. But the way it went down really pissed me off.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, well, it's not usually a mutual decision if you're pissed off about it.

[Joe Feldman]

She also says that she is no contact with Bravo, and I do wanna say she was on Watch what Happens Live last week.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes. She also talks about being upset with Andy Cohen for publishing personal text messages that she sent him in his book and that she dramatically threw it into the fire at her home and watched it burn. But then again, she was on Watch what Happens Live and it seems like they've sort of made up, you know?

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Feels like she's doing it for the headlines. Also, she did say earlier that she doesn't need books or podcasts, so she might have just been throwing that book in the fire for fun. That's how.

[Joe Feldman]

That's how you create heat. And so she says, like, she leaves Beverly Hills and she says that opportunities just start coming, like fashion brand deals, that this is when her career really takes a boom. So she thinks it's like, the best thing that she's ever done. And this is like, when she finally makes her mark in the fashion world after, like, 60 years of her life. She said she's finally, like, sitting next to Anna Wintour at A Balenciaga show. And Anna turned to her and said, hi.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yes, well, some.

[Joe Feldman]

Okay, well, she got there.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She also says that housewives are not. Not really lent garments because designers don't want to see their clothes in line fights or like, other assorted skirmishes. So she says that it's actually kind of expensive to be on the show because you get. You don't get a wardrobe budget when you're on the show. You get your salary and you have to spend a lot of that on clothes. So she says for her first season, she really didn't make any money because she spent all of it on looking fabulous.

[Chelsea Damages]

Right. I do think this goes back to her mother's advice that buying a nice outfit will make you make all your pain go away. But I do, I do know a makeup artist who does one of the Housewives of Beverly Hills makeup and doesn't like talking about it because she's like, oh, isn't like, it's so trashy that I do it, but it's for money, so it's not treated the same as, like, doing another actor. There are a bunch of actresses on her Instagram, but, like, you'll never see the housewives on her Instagram.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, that's so interesting.

[Chelsea Damages]

So I do think that is correct. Or they're not getting a lot of freebies the way, you know, actors are

[Joe Feldman]

sort of like, you're not gonna see a lot of daytime soap actresses on their Instagram.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

It's kind of one to one.

[Chelsea Damages]

Marco said, I are in a text thread where a friend of ours sends pictures and it is truly impossible to tell whether it is Julia Fox or Lisa Rinna.

[Joe Feldman]

Damn, I want to see those pictures.

[Chelsea Damages]

Both the fashion choices they're making, the plastic surgery and filler work they both have done. Both of them, like, whited out their eyebrows for a time. Like, I truly wouldn't know who it was when they sent the photos. And I think we're still going.

[Joe Feldman]

Moving right along. Here's what she says about money, and I don't like that. The first worst part about money is her saying that she studied Kabbalah. But that's where we are. I was like, oh, do we have to bring Judaism into the money chapter right away? And also, just like you studied Kabbalah. Anyway, she says she learned something about the bread of shame, meaning you won't feel proud unless you make your own money. But I. I looked into it a little bit more, and it's actually, I think, supposed to be implied, like, spiritually, like, you if you, like, attract something, like, you should attract something on your own for it to be yours.

[Chelsea Damages]

I don't like any of this.

[Joe Feldman]

I don't know.

[Chelsea Damages]

I do know that Britney Spears also studied Kabbalah on Madonna's recommendations. So none of this is sitting well.

[Joe Feldman]

So odd. It's so strange having been, like, raised in a really insular Jewish community, going only to Jewish schools and only knowing Jewish people growing up and never knowing what Kabbalah was until I heard about

[Chelsea Damages]

it from Madonna, from Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher getting married.

[Joe Feldman]

Ashton Kutcher taught me everything I know about Jewish mysticism. She and Harry had a store also on ventura Boulevard for 10 years. Did you know about this park?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yes. Yeah, it was called, like, Belle Gray, I think.

[Joe Feldman]

Yes. After her daughters, like, at one point that she has this boutique and Oprah references a candle that they sold at the boutique, and it immediately sells a hundred thousand units. And they're like, we are not prepared. It shutters after about 10 years. She goes on Celebrity Apprentice where she says, Trump was always nice to her. We love when people say that mean people are nice to them. But then she says, come to think of it, he did hit on the married Playboy playmate who had just had a baby. I don't know what to do. She'd confide in me. I have a one year old and a husband, but he keeps coming on to me. So there you go. That's all she says about that. She's not like. And so I helped her. And so we figured it out. It's just like, nope. Yeah, he made some a woman feel really uncomfortable.

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm really not convinced Lisa's ever voted.

[Joe Feldman]

I'd be surprised.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She does talk about later about, like, how much she's against, you know, him as a president. But then she says that, like, part of that whole thing is what contributed to her losing her QVC deal and losing out on all this money because she was making, like, $3 million in a day when she would do QVC. And then, yes, that all went away because she was saying things against President Trump.

[Joe Feldman]

Well, I think it changed ownership at some point because the person who was in charge of it was, like, a big Trump supporter. So she loses her contract after eight years. And she did again, she credited Kris Jenner and then is talking about misogyny and business and Harry getting more respect than her. And she says, again, I think that women have a very hard time helping other women. She said the opposite thing about Melrose Place.

[Chelsea Damages]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Feldman]

She says that some of her Best ideas come from a place of financial trouble. I need to read one little section about that.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It does sound very stressful. Her financial fluctuations, the ups and downs.

[Joe Feldman]

That's why they're still in that house.

[Chelsea Damages]

Thank God.

[Joe Feldman]

This is. You gotta have that.

[Chelsea Damages]

I have no sympathy.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Or.

[Chelsea Damages]

Come on.

[Joe Feldman]

No, no, of course not. No, of course not. I mean, Harry has a marinara sauce business. Like, you know, they're just like, anything.

[Chelsea Damages]

What can we do?

[Joe Feldman]

What do we got? Okay, so she says about her best ideas coming from a place of financial trouble. It's why I'm writing this book.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay. I love that because that feels true. Yeah, that's correct.

[Joe Feldman]

Yes. When I left Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it was crickets. Thank God the fashion world came calling. But for a little while there, nobody was banging down my door. I needed a paycheck. I gotta say, I've never really enjoyed the process of writing a book. It's arduous and emotionally traumatic and annoying, and frankly, it takes forever.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay.

[Joe Feldman]

This is why now I'm like, marcus is right.

[Chelsea Damages]

She wrote this book by herself. More proof that she actually did write

[Joe Feldman]

this book, because she'd pay a ghostwriter.

[Chelsea Damages]

She must have not wanted to pay the ghost. I can do this. I can do it. I can do it.

[Joe Feldman]

Yes.

[Chelsea Damages]

Wait, I actually. Now I'm turned around. I love this book because that should be printed on many memoirs of celebrities who are like, did it for the paycheck. I fully regret this.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It was the most writerly thing she could do. Be, like, halfway through the book, be like, I fucking hate this.

[Chelsea Damages]

Like, yeah, hon, it's hard.

[Joe Feldman]

So much. It's so good. All right. One of her last chapters is her trigger warning. Talking about her body and hot take. It's exactly what you think it is. Lisa says she loved her body during pregnancy, but she had bad ppd. She took antidepressants. But she wasn't very vocal about it because it was at the time that Tom Cruise was shaming Brook Shields for taking antidepressants for postpartum. She talks about loving HRT and her reading glasses. I'm also just, like, shout out Gender affirming care. That's what HRT is. And then she normalizes Botox and filler. She says, I can't think of anybody at this point from age 19 to 95 who hasn't gone through the OMG. I just had bad filler experience.

[Chelsea Damages]

You can't think of anybody.

[Joe Feldman]

You can think of anyone from 19, which just makes you be like, oh. Her daughters have had botox since they were 19 years old. She said, I personally don't want to look at anyone else on screen who is not taking care of themselves. I want to see some kind of other upkeep people.

[Chelsea Damages]

Well, then you're gonna love what Jim Carrey just did.

[Joe Feldman]

I'm sure she does. Lisa says we can still work in our 40s, 50s, and 60s because of all the technological advances.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Feldman]

I know. And procedures we have at our fingertips.

[Chelsea Damages]

She's so stupid.

[Joe Feldman]

She talks about all of her Botox, her fillers, procedures.

[Chelsea Damages]

We can now work at 60 because. Because of plastic surgery, we can still look 20. As in, women are still still only valued for being told.

[Joe Feldman]

And then she says that social media is bad because it. It promotes completely unattainable beauty standards.

[Chelsea Damages]

I'm out. I can't. This is when I throw her book in the fire. Give me that book. I'm gonna go start a fire.

[Joe Feldman]

Oh, I absolutely will. I was. I was just like, whoa, you're just so missing the mark. Like, yeah, it's so depressing.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She also kind of blamed, like, 90s and 2000s tabloid culture for, like, being so hard on women as well, for, like, having to have to do all these procedures, but also not being able to have longevity in their career. It's like, it is a little all over the place.

[Chelsea Damages]

She's lost in the Harry Hamlin sauce.

[Joe Feldman]

That's what it is. And I think it's. She's lost in the pasta sauce. Also, like, her daughter Emelia has had an eating disorder. It's showcased on the show, which she also blames Bravo for, like, glamorizing and. Or maybe not glamorizing it, but, like, taking advantage of Emelia's eating disorder. She's so young, like, showing it all on camera. She then goes on to say that she doesn't feel pressured to stay fit. She just loves exercising. One page later, she's talking about pregnancy and says it feels like a respite because she didn't have to worry about eating or exercising. Like, every other page is a contradiction. Then she lists all the workouts she's ever done in Los Angeles and name drops 100 different. Also reading this. I don't know if you guys. Marcos, you grew up in la, but I grew up in. In the Midwest, so hearing about all these workouts she did, I was like, wow, these things really made it over to, like, to me and the boonies. But, like, she was boxing alongside LL Cool J at Billy Blank's Taebo Workout Studios. In person. She was Doing Downward Dog next to Woody Harrelson in Steve Ross's yoga class. She so cycled with legendary instructor Angela Davis and then said Beyonce and Jay Z always had two bikes in the back set aside for them and made a conspicuous grand entrance. She did. Also. She did Dancing with the Stars. She did it all.

[Marcos Loevanos]

She did swimming. I remember all of it.

[Joe Feldman]

She did Slimmins.

[Chelsea Damages]

It's tough. Even on the show, it was just so clear. She was constantly lying about her feelings about her body in saying there was no issues while actively there were issues.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah. And she also doesn't take any responsibility for her daughter's eating disorder. And obviously I can't speak to it, but at one point she talks about something similar to this idea that a nutritionist called, I think her name is Elaine or Ellen Sattler, invented called the division of responsibility, which is something that we do in our house, which is where you're in charge of what your kids eat. Basically. You offer them the food and they decide what of it they're eating and how much of it they're eating. And it's basically like you don't glamorize anything. So nothing is off limits and nothing is forbidden. So you're like making things special, which is, I've noticed a thing that, like, my kids can hold back from certain things. Can hold back, like, because nothing is ever off limits.

[Chelsea Damages]

It's not a forbidden fruit. It's not a forbidden fruit you're dying to get because you're not allowed to have it.

[Joe Feldman]

Exactly. So she says a friend of hers basically gives her similar advice, but like, the way she presents it is so that they won't eat the bad food. And she's like, so I would put out the bad food and then three days into it, they wouldn't eat the bad food.

[Chelsea Damages]

Which is antithetical to what the is thing. Thing is, which is there is no bad food.

[Joe Feldman]

100. There are no bad foods. There's just all these different foods. Anyway, I was like, oh, division of. Nope. She also does the COVID of Playboy. Pregnant. Because she said she wanted to prove that pregnant women were still.

[Chelsea Damages]

I want to say she's so close but so far away. But I think she's just in her own universe.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

She's just living on her own path, doing her own thing.

[Joe Feldman]

All right, we'll wrap it up. Goes on to list all the diets she's done. Cabbage soup, South Beach, Paleo, Dukan. Never heard of that. Caveman zone, Atkins. She says diet is a four letter word in her house.

[Chelsea Damages]

Right. That's like a weight watcher's pillow.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah. Naturally thin, but also did all these diets, so it's very, like, doesn't have

[Chelsea Damages]

the pressure, but also loves not having to do it.

[Joe Feldman]

She's also like, I've never had an eating disorder. And then she's like, me have issues with my body. Of course. I'm an actress in Los Angeles. Like, none of it. None of it tracks at all. She ends the memoir with her waxing on about her drive and her running, an idea that she introduces in the last paragraph and says about any regrets in her life. Don't worry, I'll own it, baby. Because it got me right here.

[Chelsea Damages]

I do believe that. I do believe that if it'll get her a dollar, she will own it.

[Joe Feldman]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay, time to do the booktool test. I'll ask you both the questions, and you shall answer. First question. Was the author vulnerable in the sharing of her truth?

[Marcos Loevanos]

I think she was vulnerable in, like, parts. Like, I thought it was vulnerable to talk about her mom and her dad, but that was pretty much it. Everything else was kind of.

[Joe Feldman]

I don't know.

[Marcos Loevanos]

What do you think, Jo?

[Joe Feldman]

I thought that she wasn't vulnerable, and she was kind of mean.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, for the most part. Yeah.

[Chelsea Damages]

All right. All right. Yeah. Okay, second question. Was it entertaining to read Marcos?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah, listen, I read it in a hot tub in Palm Springs, so I was.

[Chelsea Damages]

The vibes were vibing.

[Joe Feldman]

Marcos. I also read it Submerged in Water Sisters.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I love that. I love that.

[Chelsea Damages]

And, Jo, was the inner child entertaining for you?

[Joe Feldman]

No, but talking about it with Marcos made it better to be. To be, like, wait, this thing. Because I did at times feel crazy. I was like, did you just say the opposite of that a page ago?

[Chelsea Damages]

Fascinating. Okay. Now, you never know which way this one can go. Marcos, did reading this book elevate your

[Joe Feldman]

life in any way?

[Marcos Loevanos]

No, absolutely not. I think it made it worse because it made me feel like, oh, like, here's this person who's just like. Like, really chaotically does whatever, like, impulse they feel, and it's kind of worked out for them, and it's made me feel like, have I been wrong all these years for holding back from being a monster?

[Chelsea Damages]

You know, have I been trying too hard to be a good person? And this is where I went wrong. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Amazing.

[Chelsea Damages]

Amazing. Jo Feldman, did it elevate your life?

[Joe Feldman]

I totally agree with Marcos. No, it didn't. And it did sort of ruin Rinna for me a little bit, because when she left Housewives, I was like, I'm kind of, like, over her. I need a break from her. And then when she was on Traders opposite from Chelsea, I was delighted. I was excited to see her in this role. And then to go straight into this book, I was like, poo.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Yeah. But if there's one thing I know, I felt the same way, Joe. But if there's one thing I know about the Rinna coaster, I'm gonna like her again in 20 minutes. So

[Joe Feldman]

I'm right there with you. I'm ready for the next one. Whatever she's got, I'm signing right up.

[Chelsea Damages]

And this is why you both had to be the. The host and guest for this episode. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Marcos, please, I do want to add. Did you both enjoy the free gift with purchase? The free gift with book purchase? Did you not? Did you.

[Joe Feldman]

What was it?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Did you not get it?

[Chelsea Damages]

No.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Did you not get it? Here? Oh, let's see. Hold on. It's this. It's this. Own it, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Damages]

Okay. For people at home, Marcos has pulled on a Lisa Rinna wig and is shimmying his shoulders as if Lisa Rinna has spiritually taken over his body. Marcos, why do you. Why do you have a muxy wig?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Own it. I. I bought it for this. For this particularly. But I need you to own. I need you to own that you don't like me. I need you to own it.

[Joe Feldman]

It's so good.

[Chelsea Damages]

Marcos, will you do.

[Joe Feldman]

Oof, you're angry or do. Oof, you're so angry?

[Marcos Loevanos]

Okay, ready? Oof, you're so angry.

[Joe Feldman]

Oh, my God.

[Marcos Loevanos]

It's pretty good. It is pretty good, right?

[Chelsea Damages]

It doesn't look bad on you, right? I really think you pulled it off.

[Joe Feldman]

Was that advertised as a Rinna wig?

[Marcos Loevanos]

It was. It was advertised. I googled Lisa Rinna wig, and this is what came up. And yeah, the one from Amazon was not good enough. I had to special order from a special.

[Chelsea Damages]

No, I'm sorry. Did you. Did you return the Amazon wig, or do you know how to.

[Marcos Loevanos]

No, I returned the Amazon wig. It was not good enough.

[Joe Feldman]

You have to wonder, is she getting money for this?

[Chelsea Damages]

Why did you not do the whole podcast in this wig?

[Joe Feldman]

I know.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Well, I was.

[Chelsea Damages]

Was.

[Marcos Loevanos]

When you. When you made that joke about my hair almost being. Almost. I was almost gonna pull it out then, but you should have been like,

[Chelsea Damages]

wait, let me do it a certain way. Marcos, you look. You look really good, which is. Marcos do.

[Joe Feldman]

I'm just an. With iconic hair and big lips.

[Marcos Loevanos]

I'm just an. With iconic hair and Big lips.

[Chelsea Damages]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Feldman]

I hope she's getting money for selling those wigs, right?

[Marcos Loevanos]

It's not. You know what? She's. It's not even her. It's somewhere, some random site. But listen, if you think I haven't been playing with this all day, you have got another thing.

[Chelsea Damages]

We have Halloween costume. We have your birthday.

[Joe Feldman]

We need to get you hairspray so you can do it where like it's her new look with it up.

[Chelsea Damages]

Marcos, tell everyone while you're wearing this Lisa Rena rig, all right, where they can find you and follow you.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Really? I'm only on Instagram as Beyonce's best friend, which has yet, yet to be disproven. So until you can prove me wrong, it's true.

[Chelsea Damages]

See you there.

[Marcos Loevanos]

That's the world we're living in now.

[Chelsea Damages]

But you're not Instagramming. But what do you want people to think about?

[Joe Feldman]

I want people to think about this podcast that my friend Zach Rosen has that I love, and it's called Weirdly Helpful. It was formerly the best advice show. It's always just like a great slice of different things you could do to help your life. And it's very soothing. I love that.

[Chelsea Damages]

Thank you both. Thank you for coming on. Marcos, if you don't wear this wig next time we have dinner, I'll be mad.

[Marcos Loevanos]

Oh, I will. I sure will.

[Chelsea Damages]

A big thank you to our senior managing producer, Christina Lopez, our executive producer, Jordan Moncada, our sound engineer, Marcus Hamm, and our amazing associate producer, Jaron Padre. I also want to give a huge thank you to our incredible partners over at Thrive Cosmetics and every plate we will link to those brands in the show notes. Notes. Go check them out. Everything else we discussed is also linked in the show notes. And if you have questions, thoughts, comments, go to the Patreon sign up. There's a free tier you can join. Leave a comment chat with your fellow cookies. We will keep the book club continuing over there.

[Marcos Loevanos]

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[Chelsea Damages]

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[Marcos Loevanos]

That's a great attitude. It's a time traveling ass kicking movie event. You sound insane. Starring Vince Vaughn, James Marsden and Asa Gonzalez. I thought you were a clone.

[Chelsea Damages]

Well, clones aren't real, dummy.

[Marcos Loevanos]

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