Naomi Watts’ Memoir Dare I Say It? (with Elizabeth Laime)

Summary

Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast Episode: Naomi Watts’ Memoir Dare I Say It? (with Elizabeth Laime) Release Date: March 14, 2025 Host: Chelsea Devontez Guest: Elizabeth Laime

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Introduction

In this episode of Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast, host Chelsea Devontez delves into Naomi Watts' recently released memoir, Dare I Say It?. Joined by special co-anchor Snoop Dogg and guest Elizabeth Laime, the discussion navigates the intertwining themes of celebrity life, menopause, and personal growth.

Overview of Naomi Watts’ Memoir

Chelsea introduces Naomi Watts' memoir, highlighting its focus on the actor’s personal journey through menopause—a topic rarely addressed so candidly in celebrity memoirs.

• Chelsea Devontez [01:00]: "This is a fun little episode where we pull out some of the hot goss from this book and sprinkle in just a few educational facts about menopause that blew my mind."

Perimenopause and Menopause: Understanding the Transition

A significant portion of the conversation centers on the definitions and misconceptions surrounding perimenopause and menopause, as elaborated in Watts' memoir.

• Snoop Dogg [02:21]: "I was 36 when my doctor told me... I was on the brink of menopause."
• Chelsea Devontez [08:28]: "Perimenopause, she said in the book, is a recent term... it's still hard to understand the difference."

The hosts clarify that perimenopause is the transitional phase leading up to menopause, which officially begins after a woman has gone a year without a menstrual period. They discuss how symptoms can vary widely, debunking myths that menopause only starts around age 50.

Personal Experiences with Menopause

Elizabeth Laime shares her personal story of encountering menopause at a young age, which adds depth to the discussion.

• Elizabeth Laime [02:21]: "I felt very lonely, ashamed, like everything was over. And that's another reason I wanted to write the book."
• Snoop Dogg [40:20]: "I was soaked in blood... It was bananas. And I hadn't experienced that ever before."

The candid recounting of these experiences underscores the often overlooked emotional and physical challenges women face during this transition.

Hollywood and Menopause: Navigating Fame and Health

The conversation touches on the pressures within Hollywood regarding aging and health, particularly how menopausal symptoms can impact an actress’s career.

• Chelsea Devontez [11:03]: "She was worried she wouldn't be able to play the mom anymore because of this."
• Snoop Dogg [11:24]: "If the pussy is not juicy, she's not in front of the camera."

They critique the industry's superficial standards and the invasive expectations placed on female celebrities, emphasizing the need for more supportive environments.

Critique of the Memoir: Depth vs. Juiciness

While appreciating the informative nature of Watts' memoir, the hosts express a desire for more personal and engaging content, pointing out areas where the book falls short in delivering "juicy" celebrity gossip.

• Snoop Dogg [17:56]: "The book does not pass the juicy pussy Hollywood test."
• Chelsea Devontez [26:28]: "A word about vegan leather, it's not all good quality... And like, unless you are built like two toothpicks..."

Despite these critiques, both hosts acknowledge the book's value in shedding light on important health topics.

Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Its Controversies

A substantial discussion revolves around HRT, its benefits, and the stigma created by past medical miscommunications.

• Chelsea Devontez [34:05]: "It is not deemed worthy of solutions because women exaggerate. We're hysterical."
• Snoop Dogg [48:30]: "In the 80s and 90s, estrogen therapy... then a press conference in 2002... it became like printed in the bible that HRT causes cancer."

The hosts lament the historical negligence in women's health research and the subsequent repercussions, including mental health crises stemming from untreated menopausal symptoms.

Empowerment and Positive Aging

Towards the end of the episode, the conversation shifts to a more optimistic outlook on midlife, inspired by Watts' positive take on aging.

• Snoop Dogg [56:34]: "...having a positive mindset can add seven and a half years to your life."
• Chelsea Devontez [57:09]: "Women just seem to become so much more driven and ambitious... it's an opportunity."

They celebrate the resurgence of women finding purpose and strength in their midlife years, challenging the narrative that aging is a period of decline.

Concluding Thoughts and Takeaways

Chelsea and Snoop wrap up the episode by reflecting on the insights gained from Watts' memoir and the importance of open conversations about menopause.

• Chelsea Devontez [55:48]: "Gossip wise, no. But do I know about her juicy puss? Yes. And I commend her for that."
• Snoop Dogg [57:47]: "Women can make huge changes in our lives if we want to. We have this one precious life."

They encourage listeners to embrace their journeys, advocating for greater awareness and support for women navigating menopause.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Snoop Dogg [02:21]: "I was 36 when my doctor told me... I was on the brink of menopause."
• Chelsea Devontez [34:05]: "...women exaggerate... we're hysterical."
• Snoop Dogg [56:34]: "...shift our mindset on aging from negative to a positive, we gain seven and a half years of life."
• Chelsea Devontez [55:48]: "I commend her for that."

Conclusion

This episode of Glamorous Trash provides a multifaceted exploration of Naomi Watts' memoir, intertwining celebrity culture with critical discussions on menopause and women's health. Through personal anecdotes, expert insights, and candid critiques, Chelsea Devontez and her co-hosts offer listeners both information and inspiration, advocating for a more informed and empowered approach to midlife transitions.

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Transcript

[Snoop Dogg]

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[Chelsea Devontez]

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[Chelsea Devontez]

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[Chelsea Devontez]

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[Snoop Dogg]

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[Chelsea Devontez]

See how you can save on wireless and streaming versus the other big guys. @t mobile.com/apple intelligence requires iOS 18.1 or later. Welcome to Glamorous Trash. This is a celebrity memoir podcast where we dive into all of the glamour and all of the trash. I'm your host, Chelsea Devontez. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, author, and sometimes I'm in stuff too. And today we are reading, dare I say it, Everything I Wish I'd Known about Menopause by actor Naomi Watts. And it came out recently, hot off the presses. 2025. You might know Naomi from the Ring, Mulholland Drive, King Kong, I heart Huckabees. That, like, super sexy movie with her and Robin Wright and I think they had hot suns. Don't even remember the name of it. Never even saw it, but I remember that trailer. Now. We've read books in the past that are kind of this, like, health type book from Celeb. Not an actual memoir, but I love them and I always love doing them because there's always juice hidden inside and there were gems inside this one. So this is going to be a fun little episode where we pull out some of the hot goths from this book and sprinkle in just a few educational facts about menopause. That blew my mind. I'm truly shook by them. Everyone should hear them. So tune in for the gentle tea, but prepare to have your jaw on the floor, particularly when my guest says, oh my God, I have the best story to share. It is so funny, but it does involve a lot of blood. So if that's not your thing when she says that, skip ahead three minutes. But it's hilarious. Okay, let's dive in.

[Snoop Dogg]

I was 36 when my doctor told me, right at the precipice when I was trying to start a family, that I was on the brink of menopause. It was going to come very early for Me. And that just put panic in me and I didn't know what to do. I was felt very lonely, ashamed, like everything was over. And that's another reason I wanted to write the book. Because I want people to understand that it is not the end. There is still much life ahead of us and plenty to do.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Our guest today is Elizabeth Lame. She co hosts the daily soft hitting news podcast Nobody's News and the weekly Nobody's Listening. Right. As a writer and producer for tv, she was most recently a co executive producer on the ABC drama A Million Little Things. And before that she was writing for the true TV comedy I'm Sorry and the NBC drama the Village. And her biggest credit to date, she was a guest on the Mini Driver episode on this podcast.

[Snoop Dogg]

Hello, Chelsea. Thank you for having me. I was just gonna jump right in. Like that podcast and reading. I literally brought up her book last week. It comes up all the time. That book changed my life.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Me too. It's so interesting how that was like one of the most beautiful, deep, well written books we've ever covered on this podcast. And now today I brought you back for the opposite.

[Snoop Dogg]

I would say it's the opposite. And I'm like, are they friends? Are Minnie Driver and Naomi Watts friends? Because like, their styles could not be more different.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yes, their styles of writing, for sure. And yeah, that episode, if you're listening now and you're like, why haven't I heard that episode? Well, it was what, two years ago? It's a hot one. It's a good one. I don't know.

[Snoop Dogg]

Time, let me tell you. I also was thinking about when I was reading that I was living a totally different life.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You were in Hawaii, right?

[Snoop Dogg]

So gainfully employed. I was on this like fancy vacation in Hawaii. Right now I'm like poshmarking random shit from my closet. I mean like, my life could not be worse, different. I'm reading a book about menopause. A very dry, kind of straight up book about menopause.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And don't invoke dry puns just yet, Elizabeth. We have so much to same.

[Snoop Dogg]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Say life is. You know, I saw someone the other day. Our friends came over and at 9:00pm I, I was like, we should like, I gotta go to bed. And part of it is that we have a new dog who's been waking us up at dawn. But another part of it was like, I only have like two hours of socialization in me and I, I wrote her a text. I was like, I'm so sorry. I am such a loser. And she was like, are you kidding me? And she said, everyone is vibrating on just barely surviving frequency right now.

[Snoop Dogg]

A hundred percent.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I really feel that. Is that the frequency you're on?

[Snoop Dogg]

Oh, yeah. And there's something beautiful socially that's happening, which is we all keep making plans and we all collectively flake on the plans and we're gifting each other the relief of not having to follow through on social plans. Just like time and again. I mean, it's. I have such a full calendar and I know that none of it will happen, but I will get the thrill of a friend going, guys, I can't today. Like, the thread I'm hanging on is about to just bing. So that's fun.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I completely agree. A friend and I mutually just didn't text each other the night we were supposed to have dinner. We were supposed to have dinner at 7. And at 7 o'clock, she texted me. She was like, I like that we both agreed to not do this silently. And I was like, yes.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, that's amazing.

[Chelsea Devontez]

It's fucking rough out there, man. And so let us bring you a little joy in this terrible moment and also some crazy stuff. So, okay, first I think we should talk about the hot goss in the book. And then obviously there's like menopause stuff that we're going to also talk about. But yeah, I first want to discuss how she very casually, you know, Leave Shriver, her partner of 11 years, is in the book, first name only. So it's like, Leave. Leave was so great, you know? And I'm like, okay, we're talking about Leave Shriver here. And basically she finds out that she went into menopause at 36 years old and she found out because she was trying to conceive a child. Sorry, Christina, go ahead. Our producer, Christina, has let me know it's Liev Schreiber.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm Liev Schreiber.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Did you know that?

[Snoop Dogg]

I had no idea. Okay, Liev Lee. Maybe it's a generational thing as he changed the pronunciation.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Maybe he was like, all you Americans are so stupid. It's always been Liev. But whatever.

[Snoop Dogg]

So here's the thing about menopause. And I. I learned this this year because I'm like kind of. I'm real in the throes of it. I'm turning 46. And everything she listed, I'm like, yep, yep, yep. So menopause, there's a misconception. And she does briefly touch on this, but I feel like it could have been even more clarified. Yeah, Perimenopause, which to her started when she was 36. For some it can start much later. Some people don't have any symptoms. Some people, you know, have, have them all. Like old me is really when the symptoms start. I feel like I grew up thinking menopause is like when you're 50, your period stops and you start getting hot flashes and you this and that. All of the hot flashes and stuff like that generally are showing up before menopause. And menopause is actually a day. That's right. In the book, it's a day when you have not had your period for a year, then you are officially in menopause unless you get your period. Like two days after that the clock resets. So after that you are postmenopausal. But I think just so she was collectively perimenopausal. She was perimenopausal and totally possible to carry a child. And I mean, as long as you're ovulating, that's, you know, on the table. So.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Wow. Yeah, thank you for correctly processing that for me. And perimenopause, she said in the book, is a recent term. Like it's only been called out as a thing and given a name in recent years. Which also is obviously why it's still hard to understand the difference.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, because this stuff is all like, look back, I mean, not that long ago it was like, oh, that is a witch and we're going to burn her at the stake. I mean, that's what happened to menopausal women.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Just name something hot. Flash. Killer. Killer.

[Snoop Dogg]

She's a witch. And then it's just been kind of vague terminology of like the change and all this stuff. It's really fascinating because I have a 10 year old daughter and she came, she saw me reading this and she was like, what's that? And she goes, oh, is that the thing? Like reverse puberty? And I was like, oh, yeah, actually, yes. You know, we, we're pretty open talking about all this stuff and in such a different way than I had growing up. So.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, well, and even we have to talk about the book cover for a second because it is her. The. It's titled dare I say it? And it's her holding a megaphone that's on fire. And thankfully I feel like I am seeing. I even had a conversation with a friend the other day. I'm seeing more about like menopause and the zeitgeist. Miranda July's like On All Fours is about like that hormonal change. So I Feel like some stories are popping up, but not enough for the publisher to be like, oh, you want to talk about menopause? You're gonna have a megaphone that's on fire on your. On your book cover. And the reason why this makes me so upset is that this was almost my book cover from a completely different publisher.

[Snoop Dogg]

Really?

[Chelsea Devontez]

No. Yes. And I know another author, and I don't know if she chose it, but she was posting, like, some pictures and she had a megaphone, and I was like, oh, how are we still in the phase where they're like, oh, you're a lady who's saying something. Give that bitch a megaphone.

[Snoop Dogg]

Oh, my God, that's so right. Isn't that funny? By the way, I loved your book and I love your book cover. You're just a genius, and I'm so glad.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You're very sweet. Well, back into this book she's talking about, you know, she's trying to conceive, and this is how she finds out that she's entered perimenopause and all of these symptoms that she had been trying to get diagnosed or find reasons for. She's going to other doctors asking for what this is. She finds out they have all been perimenopausenop menopause. And at 36, she feels, like, so ashamed. Like, this is too young. I didn't know this could happen then. And also has that whole Hollywood thing of, like, well, Hollywood can't know that I'm technically perimenopausal, or they'll throw me in the trash can.

[Snoop Dogg]

Drying up.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

If the pussy is not juicy, she's not in front of the camera. You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah. I mean, like, Hollywood loves to do a pussy juice test. You know, how's the juice on that?

[Snoop Dogg]

I wish they'd stop that. It feels invasive. But I guess, you know, they have to do what they have to do.

[Chelsea Devontez]

For the role, for the right role to play. She was playing a moment in Divergent. Okay. And was worried she wouldn't be able to play the mom anymore because of this.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And so what I find so interesting is that she's talking about Liev on page 16, and then page 29, she's like, let's face it, sex is an issue in middle age. Many women give it up altogether. Those of us trying to stay in the game face untold indignities and surprises. Personally, I found myself in the situation of being a menopausal woman when I started dating again after many years of being in a Relationship. Relationship. And I confess that when it came to matters of attraction and then logistics, I didn't quite know what I was doing. I met Billy not long after my breakup, though by that point, I had been separated for a year. I didn't know for the longest time that my co star on a TV show was going to be the person I belonged with. And I said, billy who? Because I don't know anything about Naomi wa. I don't know how she's escaped me.

[Snoop Dogg]

It's Billy credit.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, it's Billy Crudup.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes. That you remember him from Almost Famous.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I only remember him for leaving Mary Louise Parker when she was nine months pregnant for his co star, Claire Danes.

[Snoop Dogg]

I forgot about that. It's the only thing I ever.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I don't know why, but I. At some moment in my life, I learned this piece of information. He's an incredible actor, okay?

[Snoop Dogg]

This shades this whole fucking book now in a whole other way. Because I was like, billy, he's great. Like, he's talking about his balls have gray hair. And he's like, supportive. Ew.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I have needed to talk about this with you so badly because Billie, first off, I wrote on this page, wait, Liam's gone?

[Snoop Dogg]

And it was fast.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I think people think, like, because of this podcast, I'm like a gossip queen. And in truth, I miss some of it. Sometimes I get. I get too stuck in, like, the story sometimes. So she and Billie have been together, like, seven years. I had no idea. So then I was like, wait a minute. Because Billy is a hero in this book. He's incredible. Their first time having sex, she's like, give me just a minute. He, he, he. And she runs to the bathroom to take off this hormone replacement therapy patch. And apparently the patch sticks to your skin so so much that the. A literal doctor said car oil is the only thing that'll get it removed. And she was like, I don't want to put car oil on my body. And they were like, too bad. Anyways, so she's in the bathroom, she's trying to take off this patch. And he's like, everything okay in there? And she comes out and she's like, I'm in menopause and this is my hormone patch. And he's like, my balls are gray.

[Snoop Dogg]

And then they fall in love and it's so beautiful. You know that moment you're like, she found the lid to her pot. Little do we know. I mean, was the Claire Danes thing before Naomi? It must have been. Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Long before.

[Snoop Dogg]

They're together now. So I'm like, I could never be with someone, like, with confidence and trusting, knowing that they did that. I just.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I know. And at this point, it's. It. I think it's two decades ago. So I was going through this whole thing of, like, maybe Billy grew and he's finally the man he wants to be. But I'm just. It's like SpongeBob and Ariana Grande, where I'm like. It's like. Like about to give birth. And having just given birth, you sit there and you attend to that relationship.

[Snoop Dogg]

Also, your wife got cancer. You know, a lot of men bounce when their wives get cancer. Did you know that? It's like.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I do know that. We talked about that in the Rue McClanahan podcast. It's like a really high statistic. But when men get cancer, the wives stay.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, you gotta stick that shit out until at least ramish. Or, you know, be unhappy, motherfucker.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Have your affair in secret and do a good job of it. Do not leave pregnant woman.

[Snoop Dogg]

Don't leave a pregnant woman.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Also, Also don't have an affair.

[Snoop Dogg]

But, you know, yes, all of these things. Just be a human. You know, be a good human.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Not month nine. Don't send a woman to give birth when you've just left her for Claire dates. I know that's not in this book. It was just like, you love Naomi so much in this book, and she loves Billy so much that I was just really processing this.

[Snoop Dogg]

I wish that had been addressed. Like, you don't get to just say. And then he said, his balls have gray hair and not be like, look, I know there's been a lot of stuff about Billy out there. I want to address some of it. You know, he's changed.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I know, but can you imagine? She's like, this is my menopause book. And I'm having to defend.

[Snoop Dogg]

I know, but maybe.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Because, again, another beautiful part of the story is that Naomi Watts gets married for the first time ever when she's 54 years old, and it's to Billy. And that's another, like, beautiful story of, like, your first Marriage is at 54. You found the love of your life later in life. And then I'm like, how's that kid doing?

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, where's his kid? Is this kid going through the teenager years the way your kids are? Like, what's. What's going on? Are you all together?

[Chelsea Devontez]

And also, Naomi seems like an incredible mom, so maybe she's like, an incredible. I don't know.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm sure she is. Look, give you know, I'm sure he's grown. He said, she seems very happy. He seems very supportive. So.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, well, listen, yeah, I needed more juice. In my menopause book about Billy Crudup.

[Snoop Dogg]

There could have been some more juice. And I hate to say that because I think that the heart of this book was inform, being informative, and it really was. I mean, I think that there needs to be more of this. And honestly, there is more of it. Maybe it's just because I'm in it, but like, I feel like my Instagram, I knew all of the people that she's citing, all of these doctors, like, I follow them and I think it's out there a lot more. So to me it wasn't maybe ads like earth shattering information. But I'm glad it's getting out there. But I want it. I feel like I'm the SNL people. But I wanted like a little bit more kind of hot goss, you know, like I wanted.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah. This book does not pass the juicy pussy Hollywood test. No, the book, the book is a fail on that, to be honest. Naomi Watts brought me a lot of information I didn't know, wouldn't have made it to me without this. It is information I deeply needed in my life. Without knowing, I think she should have done what Ashley Judd did in her memoir. And Ashley Judd, bless her heart, I think it's like 2012, 2002, one of those years. She's like, people need to know about how much women are suffering in certain parts of Africa. And so she's like. So for four chapters in my book, I'm going to tell you Harvey Weinstein stories. My mom's a heinous witch. My sister did this. Right. And then the other 10 chapters are her charity work. But it's like, Naomi, give us some headlines to get this book in People magazine.

[Snoop Dogg]

It feels like. I hate to say this, but going back to the mini driver thing, like, it feels like it was ghostwritten by like her agent's niece who really wants.

[Chelsea Devontez]

To be a writer.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah. It's just so. I'm like, it's almost working hard to not be. Anytime there was any. I guess it made me like anytime there was any crumb like her co star, she was playing his mom. He's like nine years her junior.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Theo James from White Lotus Season two.

[Snoop Dogg]

Oh. Oh, that's fun.

[Chelsea Devontez]

He's a hottie.

[Snoop Dogg]

He said in an interview, like, it was kind of awkward because she's a babe. I was so thirsty for like anything.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I got turned up for that tea because, you know, he was younger in Divergent. She's playing his mom. She was only, I think, 16 years older than him. And one of the reasons she lists is like, please, Hollywood, please put more realistic, like, women playing their age on camera with men, obviously, so that we, like, reshape culture. And she was like, but also, you don't want those moms and sons having hot chemistry. I said, I gotta go rewatch Divergent.

[Snoop Dogg]

What was going on there?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yes.

[Snoop Dogg]

But to your point about this cover, I feel like I didn't get the, like, the fire. The fire.

[Chelsea Devontez]

The fire coming from the megaphone.

[Snoop Dogg]

But I did. I will say, by the end of it, I was very moved. I have, like, several things underlined that spoke to me not shockingly, as a perimenopausal woman. Like, midlife is a good time to bet on ourselves again. There was a lot of really empowering. And I'm kind of like, in a point right now where I'm. I think, as many of us are, where I'm like, what am I doing with my life? What do I want to be doing? I'm leaning way more into podcasting now than, like, writing and, you know, because.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You can own your art that way and produce something without people getting in.

[Snoop Dogg]

Your way 100% also, I mean. Well, I do have to attribute it, some of it to, like, I haven't really been getting that many offers or anything, but it's.

[Chelsea Devontez]

It's not you. It's. The whole business has collapsed. It's.

[Snoop Dogg]

Every business has collapsed, and. And yes. What a joy to be able to create something and put it out and there's no people involved going, you can't have that cover. You can't have, you know, all of that stuff.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think, like, to your point, like, I think maybe in many other jobs, but I know in ours and an artistic job, you are taught to take everything personally. It's read into us of, like, if you don't get the job, it is because of something you did, something you're something, your talents and the way you're showing up, your personality. And this is a moment in time where it's just absolutely systemic.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes, totally. And I've been doing everything I can to make my pussy as juicy as possible. And when I fail that test, it's weird. They have it for writers. But when I do fail that test, it's hard not to take it personally, you know?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah. Where you're like, the juice is juicy.

[Snoop Dogg]

Juice is here.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I have to say, I was on a Notes call. A notes call. And, like, it was a zoom. So it was like 20 people listening. And this executive was like, some. Some idea they had pitched, went in the script and he was like, yeah, man, the juice was really worth the squeeze with this one. And now every time we say juicy, I'm just thinking of him.

[Snoop Dogg]

You can, like, ring it out. You know, you can kind of get in there and, like, ring it out.

[Chelsea Devontez]

So on page 96, Lena Dunham gets a hot plug. Oh, I was so. It was so funny again, you're so hard up for Juice that I was like. Like, what show is this? I gotta look this up. And she said, it happened to me the other day when I was at dinner with Ryan Murphy. I said, I've been in London doing the Lena Dunham show. Oh, no. I thought, he's gonna ask me what it's called. What was it called? I had the best time. She's so fantastic. What was written on the call sheet? Was it two words? Okay, wait, maybe he won't ask me. I'll take a sip of water, he'll change the subject. And what's it called? He said, cue blind panic, quote thingy. I literally just said thingy. And I had just left the set of Too Much. That's what it's actually called. Why? And how could this happen? I think it was the recall of the previous times it happened, blah, blah, blah. And it's about, like, forgetfulness, at which point I said, I guess I've been in perimenopause my entire life. Like, so I can't remember names for. Okay, so. So going back to this, the show is called Too Much. It's Meg Stalter and Will, also from White Lotus Season 2.

[Snoop Dogg]

Is it not out?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Is it a no? Is it.

[Snoop Dogg]

I love Mike Salter. I feel like I would watch anything.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, no, it's not out yet. I think they're.

[Snoop Dogg]

They just shot it. Okay. Okay, good. Well, I'm excited for it. And, yeah, I actually. I relate to this so much. And I don't know if it's perimenopause or what, but the brain fog is, like, so real. But on the strike line, the writer's strike line, I had such crippling social anxiety because you're running into all these.

[Chelsea Devontez]

People literally in a line. You walk in a line and run into other people as you hold your.

[Snoop Dogg]

Sign, and you're usually with someone, and this is like a networking town, and so you normally have to go. I was like, if I can go alone and literally not link up with someone, I'm safe. But then you want to link up with someone because it makes it better. But I would run into people. I'd be like, with my sister and forget her name. I'd be like, oh, Chelsea. Hey. This is like, just my sister blank. It's, like, horrifying. And that was such a nightmare for me. I mean, I know that we needed to do it, but no, the.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I mean, it's so tough, too, because the. When the actors went on strike, their strike lines were so different because they have the personalities where they want to engage and be seen. And the writers strike lines were fucking dire. They were pits of social hell. And you had this obligation to show up and do the right thing, but it was just like, yeah, it was a fucking nightmare. Put 100 people in a room who you want, you have to small talk with. And there's no alcohol because it's 2pm and 98 degrees.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes. Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Anyways, we're doing great, so I want to call out one more thing, which is that Lena Dunham's show is called Too Much. And my book, one of the titles I considered and liked for my book was A Bit Much. I didn't end up using it. And now there's another book out called A Bit Much. So, like, what's in the air?

[Snoop Dogg]

Ah. What? No going on in women land. Oh, boy.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Do you know what I mean? Like, this is gonna be an era where, like, the way we can look back on girl bass culture and pink suits and, you know, wine glasses that say slay. We are going to look back on this era.

[Snoop Dogg]

Mega phones. A bit too much.

[Chelsea Devontez]

A bit too much. I will kill you. Okay, so the other thing that really made me laugh is that, like, by the end of this book, you know, she's getting into really, really good information and a lot of stuff. Like, if you are perimenopausal, I do highly recommend reading this book or if you're curious, because I think it's curated in a really. In a way that goes down easy. It's not.

[Snoop Dogg]

It's an easy read. It's not dense.

[Chelsea Devontez]

No. Yeah. Like, it's educational because we're on a celebrity memoir podcast. It's. It's not educational compared to, like, an actual book from a doctor.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah. It's not a medical journal that you're reading. No, very much.

[Chelsea Devontez]

It is not. Because on page 141, there is a list from Stacy London, okay, TLC, which. That show's coming back, and I. I miss it. What?

[Snoop Dogg]

Not to Wear what not to wear channel. The Learning Channel. Yes, Educating us.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, the Learning Channel. It's really took a turn with their programming. Stacy London has a list about fashion and like items you should have in your closet as a menopausal woman. And we gotta read some.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay. Denim and different silhouettes, wide leg jeans, boot cut, flare, skinny, low rise, high rise. They all work with something.

[Snoop Dogg]

Say you're basically like, you can wear jeans.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Also if you can wear low rise jeans, that is an entirely different body than a body that can wear like boot cut. Like what are you talking about?

[Snoop Dogg]

So asinine. Can I just say one thing too? I hate to on this book because I did actually really enjoy it and it made me think very highly of Naomi Watts and what she's out there doing. These little lists feel so outdated to me. Like at the end of the chapters where it's like summarizing. It feels like someone's grandmother wrote these. Like it basically goes between. You can kind of do anything like just own your. And then crewnecks that fit. Well, it's both too specific and also way too vague.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Way too vague. And it's, it's so tough too because it is 2025 where you can go to Instagram, substack a blog, Google Images, you can go anywhere and you can type in styles for women at your age and it'll pull up visuals and links and options and people giving. So it's really hard in book form to do these like she does makeup tips which are really hard to read about. When you can go on YouTube and, and say like casual light makeup for a wedding day for a woman at 42 wearing a ponytail and you will find a goddamn how to.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes, it's so true. And there are no problem areas. Your body is your body. Play up what you love about it. Okay, fine. There are no fixed rules with how you should dress at any given age. But then it says a good coat. Yeah, no, we all need to wear coats sometimes it gets cold. I don't know.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Can I tell you one that really like honestly actively pissed me off?

[Snoop Dogg]

Which one?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Leather or vegan? Leather pants or leggings? A word about vegan leather, it's not all good quality. If you don't want to wear leather, make sure what you are buying won't melt on a heated car seat. What? Also like, unless you are built like two toothpicks, you need the vegan leather because real leather is not going to stretch. Not to mention it's so cruel and harmful. Like what, what the Are you talking about.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah. Of all the things to actually. To actually give advice on. To lead with leather.

[Chelsea Devontez]

To lead with yo. Number one, see if you can get leather leggings over your body. And number two, kill an animal.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah. Cut up some butterfly wings and sprinkle them all over your shirt to give it some glitter. You know, it's also just like.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Just say well made leggings. Say well made leggings with a good material. Yes. Well, also, it's like, why did we have to tap in Stacey London for this? Like, Naomi, you dress great. Like, what is. How'd she get here? How'd she get in this book making this listicle? I just don't understand. Also, not to mention, if we're talking about, like, dry, itchy pussies, like, why are we suggesting leather leggings? Again? Like, this does not.

[Snoop Dogg]

Great question. Great question. I will say, this era of my life, and I have. I have two kids working all of, you know, all this stuff, I have kind of lost my way in terms of what I want to wear. I mean, I haven't bought new clothes in years. I appreciated the attempt, but I just wanted so much more from it. I'm like, go for it. If you're gonna go for it. Like, you are Naomi Watts. You have access to all these designers and stylists. This fell very short. And the makeup stuff, I also do appreciate, like, your makeup has to change as you age. I recently. I mean, I don't know how to do makeup, and I never really have. But I do know that if you want to have the same kind of vibe, you can't do, like, thick foundation around your eyes anymore, and you shouldn't. And those things are, I think, helpful to someone like me, and I think that. But it is a time where you kind of lose your sense of, like, I used to know what worked, and so I'd love to know what works now. Moving forward as things change and the texture of your skin changes and your, you know, weight changes and things like that. But do you feel like she was kind of straddling, doing it and not doing it?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, yeah. This is where the agent's niece got lost.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devontez]

She was like, what do we write here? You know what? Let me email Stacy Lincoln.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay, we're going to take a quick break right now, and we'll be right back.

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[Snoop Dogg]

Oh my God Amazing.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Let's just share a few things that blew our mind about, like actual perimenopause or menopause. Yes, I'll share the first thing that blew my mind, which was in the introduction. She's talking to Dr. Sharon Malone, a D.C. based OBGYN chief medical officer, and she gives the quote. I think one of the things we have got to understand and study after study has substantiated this is that we have really normalized suffering as a part of womanhood. We suffer from cramps, we suffer in childbirth, we suffer from premenstrual syndrome. The things that exclusively affect women have been understudied across the board because the expectation is that women suffer. It is not deemed worthy of solutions because women exaggerate. We're hysterical. It's all in your head because suffering is normal.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I think this is so true. Do you know that, like they just implemented last year using female framed crash test dummies, when women are much more likely to be hurt or killed in an automobile accident, but they just put us like, they assume our bodies are the same way men's bodies are.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Is that why we're more likely to be hurt?

[Snoop Dogg]

Because we've. Well, yeah, I mean, listen. So things like that. And she does, she makes the point, like medicine, it's. It's called women's health. Instead of like just health, medicine basically treats women's bodies the same outside of the genitalia or breasts, like they said, bikini areas.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Like put a bikini on her. The rest of the medicine applies the same.

[Snoop Dogg]

And I know it's much more intense for women of color that there is this ingrained expectation that your ability to deal with pain is bigger or something. I had this happen to me. I thought I had a uti. This was like three years ago. I went to a urologist, like one of the best urologists at Cedars. He did an ultrasound. I described my symptoms that had been going on for like a month and a half. I had done antibiotics, nothing. And he said, I think it's. Or he didn't even say, I think. He said, you have this, like, it's irritation of the lining of your bladder. He gave me medication. I left. Didn't really help. Two weeks later, I like wake up at 5am and I'm in so much pain. And I go to take a bath, because that's where I go.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And during the bath I was like, this feels like labor pain. I mean, it was crazy. It was like going from my back to front and I come out Andy's waking up at 6, and I go, I need to go to the emergency room. Like, something's really wrong. And then I go to pee, and I hear bloop. And it was a huge kidney stone, and the pain was gone. And I go, oh, my God. I think I just had a kidney stone. And he was like, what? And he went and looked at it. He goes, no, there's no way. Because it was like a rock. And I fished it out of the toilet because. And I'm so glad I did. The urologist didn't believe me because he said, like, you would have been doubled over in pain and the fetal position in my office. And I was like, well, here it is. And that's what was going on. And why didn't you check that? Like, good for you.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You got to ask him.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes. Like, why did you not? And he said. He said, because I would have expected the pain. And I know that's not quite in line with the argument, but it is.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You were enduring that pain. It took more pain to double you over because you've been taught your entire life to suck it up.

[Snoop Dogg]

Exactly. Exactly. Yes. I've learned this in motherhood. Also, you have to advocate for yourself. Like you, unfortunately. And I think I'm so lucky. I have an amazing OB gyn Chelsea, if you need someone when, like, you're really getting into this arena, because she is so thoughtful and takes the time and is very pro hrt, if that's what works for you. But I think that it has been really hard for women to be heard in this realm.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Absolutely. That brings me to another quote I want to read. And then we have to talk about hrt. So I've yelled on this podcast recently, I think maybe in our previous episode, by the time this drops, about how 94% of all medical studies have only been done on men, and white men at that, and women just aren't studying. So I've known that. I've yelled about it. And then she said, here's why that happens. Because I was just like, oh, bias. Patriarchy. General patriarchy. She said, I've learned that women were typically not even used in trials sponsored by the National Health Institute until Congress passed a law requiring their inclusion in 1993. And she said, why hasn't science grown more curious about women? Quote, the answer is that there's no money in it, says Dr. Moscone. And if you're a scientist, you need to pay the bills. During the last reporting period, the National Institute of Health spent 45 billion of our Taxpayer money on funding research. Women make up 51 of the population, but research into health concerns, primarily impacting them, only got 10% of that money. It's a money thing. Even if you're a scientist who wants to be studying women, you cannot get the funding. Obviously. That was an obvious answer. Still blew my mind.

[Snoop Dogg]

It's so shocking to me though, because I'm like, and I hate that we have to frame everything this way in our capitalistic world. But aren't. Aren't like the hormone replacement therapy, pharmaceutical companies making money? I mean, there is money to be made.

[Chelsea Devontez]

It is just like. Which we did a whole podcast up about you guys, I'm gonna drop it. It is just like Taylor Swift and Barbie and Beyonce single handedly bringing back the economy because women want what content made for them. And everyone goes, oh, that was nice. And they move on. And they don't go, hey, do you like money? Make some more. Make some more things. And instead they go, no. It's really hard to get a movie about women up. And it's like, there's so much money being left on the table. Like, we are. We control 82% of the money in the economy. Like, because women, we're spending the money, we're spending the money, we're making the choices.

[Snoop Dogg]

I want to make sure my clit stays clitty, you know, Cute.

[Chelsea Devontez]

She's cute. Okay, let's talk about hrt. So HRT is hormone replacement therapy. And listen, I gotta give it up to my mom, Tea Momsy. She's been on this beat since the early 2000s. She's known about it.

[Snoop Dogg]

That's great.

[Chelsea Devontez]

So all of this made sense to me. Was, are you on hrt?

[Snoop Dogg]

I am not. So I'm on birth control, which is like low dose estrogen. I think I'm on the precipice. Like, that's something that doctors often will use to help kind of regulate things. I do have, like an amazing story about when I realized I was in perimenopause.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay, let's hear it.

[Snoop Dogg]

I was on set in Vancouver and there think, thankfully the creators of A Million Little Things, DJ Nash, like, is very good about hiring diversity and lots of women. So it was a set where there were lots of women. Thank God.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay.

[Snoop Dogg]

Love that our ad was a woman. Thank Baby J. Because I was wearing like black jeans and then this kind of like sweater jacket. But I.

[Chelsea Devontez]

So lots of coverage.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm hearing lots of coverage. And it was all black.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Good.

[Snoop Dogg]

Thank God. I'm sitting there and I feel something and I'm like, oh my God. And this is. The set's like a half hour away from where I'm staying. And you're, you know, once you're on set, you're there for 11 hours and that's where you are.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

I feel something and I go, huh. And I then have to wait for a few more takes and then I get up and I make my way to the bathroom, which is like a 10 minute walk. And there is a crime scene that has occurred and I am soaked in blood.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Little Murder She Wrote situation.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes. Down to my knees. Like my entire thigh butt area is blood covered. I'm like freaking out. This what was coming out of me was like bananas. And I hadn't experienced that ever before.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And so I went back to the ad and I said, hey, listen, if I disappear, it's because I'm bleeding out. And if, if and when I feel that the inevitable, it's because I'm bleeding out.

[Chelsea Devontez]

If I disappear, I'm. I'm dead or bleeding out. Keep.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm bleeding out and they need to go right to my vagina. Like, don't worry, that's what's happened. So don't. I don't want them wasting time like taking my pulse or looking at like any. Just go right to the source. And she was super understanding, but I was like, I don't know, like, what's happening? Luckily it kind of, kind of like clawed. I don't know, it stopped. But later Andy was like, why didn't you go to wardrobe? And I just wasn't even thinking. But I stayed there the rest of the day and to the degree that I was supposed to have a drink at the hotel bar, like after wrap that night with a friend. And I became so one with being in my dried blood clothes that I didn't even go shower or change. I went and had a drink in my dried blood clothes. And I, on my way up to the hotel room, I thought, something's different, both emotionally, that I would do that and physically. And so that was when I went to my doctor and she was like, let's try this birth control because it will at least kind of even out your periods. And that was what I needed. But now like the hot flashes and other things are starting to creep in in a way that I think that it might be time. And that's a nice thing about this book. It goes into like the treatments. It's not like One Stop Shop. One size fits all, even for you. You kind of have to evolve with it.

[Chelsea Devontez]

That is an incredible story. Elizabeth, thank you so much for sharing that. That's incredible. We have to talk about this because we said it off mic, but I was reading through this book, and the tough thing about perimenopause is that I feel like every symptom for perimenopause could also be the symptoms of Trump got elected. And you feel like. So, like I was reading through it and I was like, I'm tired all the time.

[Snoop Dogg]

Like, yes.

[Chelsea Devontez]

My moods are erratic all the. Like, I think I'm in it. And also, I only have one ovary. Not to brag. And I wrote a chapter in my book about the process of that other ovary getting removed. I had this, like, giant tumor, and I remember the doctor being like, we saved, you know, some of your right ovary and sewed it up, and it still is very fertile, so you still have, like, a little bit of a right ovary. And that's just always what I thought. And then one day I was having really tough pains again there, and I was like, oh, like this might be back. And I go to a gyno here in la. Not a great one. So I need yours. And she does, you know, the intravaginal ultrasound where they go inside you, and she's like, you don't have a right ovary. And I was like, huh? And I was like, but they sewed it up and it was like a little guy. She's like, there's just no ovary there. And the pain you're feeling is when your body is trying to have a period on that right ovary, realizes it's not there, skips back over to the left one. I was like, how fun and cool. So then publishing the book, I'm like, I want to get my medical records to make sure, like, everything that I said is true. Especially because the. The tumor was so large. I just want to make sure, you know, your brain is like, this can't be real, you dumb bitch.

[Snoop Dogg]

75 pound tumor.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And I was like, I just want. I just want proof in my hands that this is real so I get it back. It was absolutely that big. Deep inside. The notes are, we tried to save her right ovary and couldn't. She never had it.

[Snoop Dogg]

Fucking kidding me.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, I just never fudgeing had it. So anyways, I'm also like one ovary lady. I've just assumed I could be in any stage of a woman's life. And reading through this was, like, extremely educational. I even spoke to a friend the other day who said she Jogs every day. And in the past, like five months, can barely get a half a mile. And she gained a bunch of weight and she was like, I, you know, I'm lazy. It's my willpower. What's wrong with me? Like, I have. And then finally someone said, it sounds like you should do hormone replacement therapy. She like, again, like, this book had no idea what was going on. Had no idea this could be a perimenopausal symptom. She said she started hormone replacement therapy. Maybe I don't want to say it wrong, but I think it was maybe like an estrogen patch. Jogs five miles a day instantly.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, right, man. And I said, yes, it's similar. This is reminiscent. And I did have a little beef with one part of this book. Tell me, because I love Wellbutrin and you can take it out of my cold, dead hands someday. And there was a chapter that kind of danced around saying, you don't need antidepressants, you need hormone replacement therapy.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And that bothered me because you maybe need both. But I do think that they're similarly with depression. And it's like, oh, it's all in your head. Or you don't have willpower, you're just being lazy or whatever it is. And then you find the right medication and it's like, suddenly you're seeing the world in color again.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And why isn't it like front of mind for everyone to go, hey, try this out. You know, if it helps, great. If it doesn't, then, you know, because I've heard that story so many times amongst friends. Libido, like, you know, I also think, we think, oh, well, you get to a certain point with your partner long enough, like, whatever, ho hum. Like, no, we're sexual beings.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And we should continue to feel that way as part of life's joy.

[Chelsea Devontez]

You know, there's a 70 year old in this book who quotes the sentence, my clit is pounding every day thanks to hormone replacement therapy. Yeah, absolutely. And I think a really unfortunate thing that we've seen on a large scale politically, but also I see it in life. And you can kind of see it in this book where traditional western medicine fails you in some way. Like doctors only in their eight years of studying take a two hour course on menopause or, you know, you go in for your kidney stone, they don't even check. So it fails you in some way. And so then you have to take it into your own hands and you feel scared. Right. And then you start trying different modalities and you no longer trust certain forms of science, but then you start trusting things that are not science at all. And that's how you have like, you know, I'm going to turn to this wellness influencer who cured her cancer with broccoli. Oops, she was lying for five years. You know, so, yeah, and you can see how people get activated and radicalized because of the failings of a system that, that shouldn't be failing you.

[Snoop Dogg]

Well, can we talk about how the hrt, speaking of this statistic blew my mind, which was in the 80s and 90s, estrogen therapy, hormone replacement therapy was. Approximately 44% of eligible menopausal women were taking hormones. Then there was this press conference in 2002 that was completely wrong and like taken out of context and just became such a shitstorm for doctors that no one felt the need to like go to challenge. It just became fact and it became like printed in the bible that HRT causes cancer. It fell to less than 5% of women taking this. Now, I don't mean to put fear monger because by the way, I, I mean life is challenging right now, but I'm also like, I think having the best time of my life right now with like my kids and my family and friendships and knowing who I am and all of that stuff.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

But I now have heard of two women who died by suicide because of menopause, menopausal symptoms that weren't being treated correctly. And so now I don't know them personally. One was on a dog rescue show in England where the. It was a Christmas episode and the family was there to adopt a dog. And I'm watching with my kids and we're like, oh, this is so sweet. And then they get into this backstory of like, we lost mum about five months ago because, well, menopause. And I was like, what is happening? But we talked about on our podcast and someone else reached out that someone in their community suffered so much silently.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

So this negligence that this press conference happened and everyone in the medical community and otherwise just said, okay, well all these doctors are getting calls from freaked out women going, am I going to get cancer now? Just decided to go with it instead of really addressing it, which didn't happen until much later.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I don't know, read the study once, realize that it wasn't saying that at all. Something like that, you mean?

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, something like that. I mean anything like that. Actually, she said, to this day there hasn't been a like press conference going, hey, we fucked up. It's Just been kind of word of mouth. It's slowly gotten out there. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Podcast about celebrity memoirs. You know, can I anecdotally add to what you were saying? And yeah, I don't think think it's fear mongering. I think it's just women sharing their stories to help other women. Theme of the podcast. It's the theme of the podcast where I had a friend of mine who had fibroid surgery and they had to take out a lot of parts. And I'm saying that because I'm not sure if it was a full hysterectomy, but they took out a lot. And she woke up from the surgery. And she's someone who's never experienced depression or anxiety. That's not something she ever had in her life. And she was so deeply depressed that those were the thoughts and feelings she was having. And she's also never experienced in her life. So. So it just felt very real. And if she was in it really, really badly for two weeks, she's like, I guess this is life now and life's not worth living. Finally gets a hold of a friend who is like, this is a common symptom of having all of your female removed in whatever way. And she was like, why did no one warn me? Why did no one say, hey, watch out. Your entire concept and understanding of the world and why we are in it might be a little different tomorrow.

[Snoop Dogg]

What on earth?

[Chelsea Devontez]

And then, yeah, she even. She got like all the medical care to like, you know, took her back to normal, but she was like, that was the craziest thing I've ever experienced. And she was having, like, these major fibroids, remember, removed.

[Snoop Dogg]

Oh, my God. Yeah, they should have, like, checking in on someone. I mean, if that is a common.

[Chelsea Devontez]

It's just so ridiculous. We know hormones are real because we talk about puberty. They're a real thing that affects your life and emotions.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay, before we get to the book Dull Test, there's just one other thing I wanted to share, which is that I really love that Naomi didn't talk about this. But also she has a. A daughter who was assigned male at birth. And there's so much of that with, like, hormones and hormone therapy and things like that that I wish that had been a part of this book. But I also know that they are still a teenager, and I like that she was respecting their privacy and not putting that in the story either.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I actually, before this, like, took the pictures of my kids down. I think that I really Respect any parent who chooses to not put your child's stuff out there until they're prefront frontal cortex is fully formed.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And who is that, by the way? Is that like 27?

[Snoop Dogg]

I know. It kind of depends. Honestly, my. My oldest, like, I feel like it's more formed than ours. She's like, holding us together, but not really. But that is fascinating. I'm sure that does give, like a whole other understanding lens and approach. Yeah, Yeah. I. Sometimes it scares me how much hormones affect us. Like sometimes when I get these kind of ragey moments, and it usually for me, always, I start rage cleaning and it's like the family can hear me, like, slamming cabinets. And like, I get. If my space isn't like, organized, it's kind of can. That's where I project all of my hormonal.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I like that. It's productive. Good for you.

[Snoop Dogg]

It is. It is a little productive. But I'm sure it's not fun to be around. And I at least now have the presence of mind to go, this is not real. Like, it is real, but it's not forever forever. And it's also an overreaction to the situation at hand because your hormones are going crazy. And it makes me think about, like, how much the kind of delicate dance of hormones being off can change your personality so profoundly. Is so kind of jarring to me.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Absolutely. And it's something that we're not allowed to talk about because for so many years, like, well, she can't be the president. Once a month, she'll. She'll pull the nuclear codes, you know, so then you're like, not allowed to acknowledge that, like, you do go through this horrible thing, but it's obviously not in that context. Once a month I get. Well, many times a month, but distinctly once a month, I get really, really depressed in a bad, bad way. And I start going through the like, oh, no. And I'm probably there for like seven hours before I remember my period starts tomorrow.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And I'm like, I'm free. I'm free. Like, I won't.

[Snoop Dogg]

Isn't it amazing that we forget every month?

[Chelsea Devontez]

Fucking month. Every fucking month I'm like, life is over, baby. And in seven hours I'm like, yay.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay, let's do the booktull test. Okay, first question. Was the author vulnerable in the sharing of their truth?

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Gossip wise, no. But do I know about her juicy puss? Yes. And I commend her and I salute her for that.

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes, I agree.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay.

[Snoop Dogg]

I feel like in our world, we're so vulnerable all the time that the bar is pretty high. But I do think, yeah, she put herself out there.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah. Okay, second question. Was it entertaining to read?

[Snoop Dogg]

No.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah. Absolutely not. No. I even need the information in my life. And I was like, ugh, boring. Okay, last question. Did reading this book elevate your life in any way?

[Snoop Dogg]

Yes.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Any. It was there. Is there one specific way that stands out to you?

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, I think the end. She said. Research by Yale's Becca Levy has shown that when we shift our mindset on aging from negative to a positive, we gain seven and a half years of life.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Wow.

[Snoop Dogg]

And also, I am in what I feel like is a transitional point in my life. And I think having read this just in little bits and bobs that were sprinkled throughout, it made me feel empowered. Nothing to do with menopause, like, with just. You're in the. You're in the middle of life. And there's. She talks about the bell curve of, like, 45 to 50 is typically the time where I think it was women. It might have been. People are, like, testing it to be the least happy.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Wow.

[Snoop Dogg]

And why is that? And I think it's very much because you're, like, kind of baked in. You've built a career that you're connected into. You have financial and life responsibilities, whether it's pets or kids or spouses. You are in a community. And I think there's a feeling of. Of being kind of stuck.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah.

[Snoop Dogg]

And I felt empowered. We can make huge changes in our lives if we want to. We have this one precious life. So for me, that was the takeaway from this very dry, doubt, you know, book about menopause.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I love that because I want to read what I underlined as, like, the most elevating thing. And it is exactly your takeaway. And I also. This book made me feel really happy. She wrote, in midlife, men buy motorcycles or fast cars, and women get PhDs. My friend Mariella Frostrup told me when I called her for her take, quote, a lot of men seem to slightly slow down at this age, and they're looking toward retirement and taking up golf. And women just seem to become so much more driven and ambitious and focused as our oxytocin goes down and we lose that love for toddlers and our children leave home. And that's an opportunity as men slowed down and head to the golf course. Here we are, ready to take over. And then she writes about all the women she knows who, like, find their prime years in this huge purpose and start businesses and create movements and you just wake up and you're like, all this energy that I gave over to others, I am now going to like create something huge. And I like, I see that everywhere in women. And it just felt really exciting. It's not sad.

[Snoop Dogg]

It's an opportunity a hundred percent. And I think that's exactly right. Like women, I think maybe by virtue of having to be adaptable to the way you're changing and your body is changing, are also adapting to like life phases and making the best of them. You know, I think that it does feel just in general looking at like my parents friend, that generation, the women are like living fuller lives beyond middle age.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Yeah, I, I love that so much. Elizabeth. I know everyone is. If they don't already know you, they're a huge fan. We everyone where they can find you on Instagram, listen to your podcast. Also I will drop the mini driver episode link in these show notes. Elizabeth, I think we might have cried.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm sure we did.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Tell everyone where they can find you and listen to your work.

[Snoop Dogg]

Amazing. So we have a new daily podcast that has been so much fun and I'm so excited about. It's called Nobody's News. We share the soft hitting news from around the globe so you can find that where you find your podcasts.

[Chelsea Devontez]

I love soft hitting news.

[Snoop Dogg]

It really is. This week we covered like the noxious weed department in Manhattan. Kansas has new business hours. You know, stuff like that. When I say we, I mean my husband Andy and I, who we've been podcasting now for 15 years and we have another show called Nobody's Listening. Right. Where we talk as though no one were listening. And you can find that he does these awesome little clips from that show at Instagram at Nobody's Listening. Right.

[Chelsea Devontez]

Okay. I love that, that so much. I adore you both. Never forget I was on your original podcast claim. I will.

[Snoop Dogg]

You absolutely were. You were like. I was. I was saying earlier when, before we started this, like you came on because to this day you have one of my favorite standup jokes I've ever heard. Do you know which one it is?

[Chelsea Devontez]

I remember you telling me it's the one about.

[Snoop Dogg]

Your dad. And I was like, who is this amazing comedian? I have to have her on. And then you came on and I was like, I'm in love. I love this lady.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And look, here we are still. And we didn't cancel on each other.

[Snoop Dogg]

I know.

[Chelsea Devontez]

And we got to podcast and I. Yeah, it's just really nice to see your face. I just really adore you.

[Snoop Dogg]

Same to you. Thank you for having me. This was thanks for being on.

[Chelsea Devontez]

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