Olivia Nuzzi's Gobblede-Book, Ryan Lizza's Substacker, and RFK Jr.'s Poetry Slam (Pt. 1)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast
Host: Chelsea Devantez
Episode: Olivia Nuzzi's Gobblede-Book, Ryan Lizza's Substacker, and RFK Jr.'s Poetry Slam (Pt. 1)
Date: December 9, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into the wild, overlapping personal and professional sagas at the heart of Olivia Nuzzi’s memoir, American Canto, and the media circus surrounding her affair with RFK Jr. Host Chelsea Devantez gleefully dissects this scandal through a "dueling memoir" lens, drawing from Nuzzi's book, her ex-fiancé Ryan Lizza's revenge Substack, the angry commentary of other journalists (including Keith Olbermann), and the frenzied social media musings of Jessica Reed Kraus, RFK Jr.’s biggest supporter turned Nuzzi’s nemesis. Chelsea aims to untangle truth from melodrama, exposing both personal and journalistic ethics gone awry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Characters & Scandal (03:30-09:38)

• Who’s Who in the Drama:

  • Olivia Nuzzi: Political journalist, author, protagonist of the “gobbledy book.”
  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (RFK Jr.): Current Trump administration figure, Nuzzi’s affair partner, married to Cheryl Hines.
  • Cheryl Hines: Actress (Curb Your Enthusiasm), RFK Jr.’s wife, has her own recent memoir.
  • Ryan Lizza: Nuzzi's ex-fiancé, political journalist, author of angry tell-alls on Substack.
  • Keith Olbermann: Nuzzi’s ex, journalist/podcaster, weighs in online.
  • Jessica Reed Kraus: RFK Jr. supporter, Instagram/blogger (House Inhabit), former Nuzzi friend turned antagonist.

• Chelsea’s delight: This isn’t a simple “he said, she said”; “This is not a dueling piano situation. This is an orchestra.” (08:02)

2. Why is Olivia Nuzzi’s Memoir So Bad? (09:38-16:19)

• The writing is famously indecipherable: grandiose metaphors, names replaced with generic labels (“the politician,” “the man I did not marry”), and zero narrative structure.
• Memorable Quote [13:43]:
  • Chelsea (after reading a mind-bending 100-word Nuzzi sentence):
    “Basically, imagine reading 300 pages of that.”
• Audiobook samples reveal dramatic shifts in Nuzzi’s voice between seductive “victim” and policy wonk.
  • Chelsea: “This woman is pulling one of the finest and most desperate moves known to a woman in peril. The I'm a real sexy baby, don’t hurt me.” (15:00)
• The blonde victim motif: Nuzzi’s obsession with her own blondeness and Alfred Hitchcock’s dictum that “Blondes make the best victims” pervades the text.
• Memoir lacks all conventions: “There are no chapters. There’s no break in the text. There’s no organization of a story flow. There’s nothing. It’s all just like one big vomit soup.” (16:55)

3. Nuzzi’s Origin Story: Jailbait to Political Journalist (23:30-30:00)

• Chelsea’s D.C. friend: “People would always say Olivia slept her way up to the top…she went to a mentoring lunch with Keith Olbermann when she was 18 years old and he was 52. He's 34 years older than her and that mentoring lunch turned into a, quote, relationship.” (23:45)
• Olivia’s pop music past at age 16: released “Jailbait” single about sexualizing youth. Chelsea reviews Olivia’s own faux-woke press campaign for it: “I’m not saying any of this is wrong, I’m simply stating that it is. This song is me coming into a societal realization.”
• Transition to politics not driven by politics: “What I don’t see is an actual interest in journalism or politics. Olivia was here to play and to fight, but not to like do great journalistic work or make political change.” (28:00)
• D.C. as “Hollywood for fives”—the economics and limitations for ambitious women.

4. Ryan Lizza’s Substack: Catapulting Out of Heartbreak (30:00-41:00)

• Ryan’s narrative:
  • Olivia’s breach of journalistic ethics is not an isolated incident; affair with Mark Sanford as a journalist four years before RFK Jr. (34:30)
  • His complicity (“He wrote all of this and then stayed with her for four more years…”)—both are mired in unethical behaviors. (35:00)
  • Dished financial details of Olbermann/Nuzzi relationship (“$15,000 worth of Cartier jewelry,” apartment, college tuition…) (36:25)
• Self-awareness and contradiction: “Ryan fails to mention in that paragraph that maybe Keith Olbermann is 34 years older than Olivia, but Ryan is 19 years older than her. So when she was so called, rescued by him at 22 years old…this man was 41.” (35:30)
• RFK Jr.’s “Poetry Slam”:
  • Lizza shares RFK Jr.’s cringe-inducing sexts to Nuzzi:
    “You’re open mouth, awaiting my harvest… Drink from me, love. I mean to squeeze your cheeks, to force open your mouth. Hold your nose as you look up at me to encourage you to swallow. Don’t spill a drop. I am a river, you are my canyon. I mean to flow through you.” (39:00)
  • Chelsea, reading this with horror and humor, retorts: “Imagine a guy is sexting you…and then I’m gonna plug your nose so you drink my disgusting cum and don’t have a chance…” (39:51)
  • Lizza’s kicker: “Trying to turn phone sex into Wuthering Heights is a high bar.” (via Keith Olbermann tweet) (51:00)

5. Jessica Reed Kraus: Scorned Kennedy Fan (41:00-46:50)

• Jessica’s claim: Nuzzi acquired private gossip under false friendship, only to use it to manipulate/blackmail RFK Jr. and maintain contact.
• Toxic infighting and misogyny: attacks on Nuzzi’s body and character (“big boned Meryl Streep”; “Amber Heard of Washington D.C.”), denigrating her as a “sweater dress two sizes too small.”
• Chelsea’s aside: “Jessica is a patriarchal tool. And I do mean tool as an idiot, not tool.” (46:50)

6. Final Thoughts, Larger Meaning, and Critique (48:48-53:00)

• Writing style as psychology: Nuzzi claims she wrote/edited the book entirely on her phone while hiking. Chelsea: “I read the book. I believe her.”
• Ryan Lizza, in a Substack comment: “She couldn’t tell the real story…so she had to do this kind of psychedelic art project instead with a lot of hand waving and coyness and bullshit, and it just led her to create 300 pages of gibberish.” (51:00)
• Despite chaos, Chelsea enjoys the mystery:
  • “It takes a woman to turn this mockery of an administration and media climate and distill the whole thing down into the easily understood and digestible: This is a fucking joke.” (51:50)
• Looking ahead: “To fully know where this story might be headed, we are going to dissect her memoir. So join me on Friday for part two… It’s going to get even weirder.” (52:48)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “This is not a dueling piano situation. This is an orchestra.” — Chelsea (08:02)
• On the writing style:
  “Every other word is sucking the dick of the word that came before it.” — Chelsea (11:30)
• Reading a Nuzzi sentence:
  “We were primed to participate in the farcical parable…” (see transcript, full paragraph), then: “Basically, imagine reading 300 pages of that.” — (13:43)
• On Nuzzi’s persona:
  “This woman is pulling one of the finest and most desperate moves known to a woman in peril. The I’m a real sexy baby, don’t hurt me.” — Chelsea (15:00)
• Alfred Hitchcock quote:
  “Blondes make the best victims. They’re like virgin snow that shows up the bloody footprints.” — quoted by Nuzzi, analyzed by Chelsea (15:30)
• On Nuzzi’s lack of narrative:
  “There are no chapters… it’s all just like one big vomit soup.” — Chelsea (16:55)
• On the D.C./Hollywood parallel:
  “There’s a saying that goes around DC…Washington DC is just like Hollywood, but for fives.” — Chelsea (27:30)
• On RFK Jr.’s sexting:
  “You’re open mouth, awaiting my harvest… I am a river, you are my canyon. I mean to flow through you.” — RFK Jr. to Nuzzi (39:00)
• Chelsea’s reaction:
  “Imagine a guy is sexting you…and then I’m gonna plug your nose so you drink my disgusting cum and don’t have a chance…” (39:51)
• Keith Olbermann tweet:
  “Trying to turn phone sex into Wuthering Heights is a high bar.” (51:00)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:30 — Character guide & summary of the scandal
• 09:38 — Olivia Nuzzi’s memoir is a mess: style, substance, structure
• 15:30 — “Blondes make the best victims” & meta-commentary on gendered power
• 23:30 — Early Olivia: from “Jailbait” to D.C. journalist & the parental backstory
• 30:00 — Ryan Lizza’s Substack: revelations, contradiction, complicity
• 39:00 — RFK Jr.’s “poetry slam” sexts read aloud (graphic comedic highlight)
• 41:00 — Jessica Reed Kraus’s social media meltdown and gendered abuse
• 48:48 — Analysis of the writer’s psyche & style, Lizza’s ultimate critique
• 51:50 — Chelsea’s meta critique: “This is a fucking joke.”
• 52:48 — Teaser for Part 2: “It’s going to get even weirder…”

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Tone & Overall Take

Chelsea Devantez’s tone is irreverent, sharp, and delightfully trashy—she relishes the melodrama, mocks self-seriousness, and treats the sordid details as both cautionary tale and spectacle. She is empathetic about the gendered dynamics but refuses to let any character off the hook. The episode is packed with wit, pop-culture savvy, and deeply gossipy energy, ideal for listeners who enjoy both media criticism and high-level reality-TV dissection.

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Bottom Line:
American Canto is less of a memoir than “a big vomit soup” of literary pretension and obfuscation, and its story—recapitulated and weaponized by exes, rivals, and sycophants—proves more illuminating (and entertaining) than anything Nuzzi tries to say herself. Chelsea’s summary is razor-sharp, thorough, and promises even juicier revelations in Part 2.

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For direct quotes, fuller context, and all the messy receipts, check recommended episodes, show notes, and Chelsea’s Patreon discussion group.

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Welcome to Glamorous Trash. This is a podcast that book clubs, viral articles, celebrity memoirs and trashy discourse to elevate your life. I'm your host Chelsea Devantes. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, author and sometimes I'm in step two and today it's a doozy. I am delivering you part one of a two part episode book clubbing. Olivia Nuzzy's Gobbledy book. That's what I'm calling it. It's a Gobbledy book. We've got a new category on this podcast, Her Gobbledy book memoir is called American Canto. It came out less than a week ago. I had it on pre order. And this will be an episode all about her. And if you are to believe her ex fiance, Olivia once described herself on his account. She wrote this about herself and he found it. So this is the bio I'm giving her. Quote, one of the most famous political reporters in America, a blonde beauty who gained critical acclaim as a skilled profile writer, gaining access to the powerful and the mysterious and turning it into pure journalistic gold. Now, if Olivia did write that about herself, she's not far off somehow. Being blonde is extremely important to her story. We'll get to it. And what has created her fame is that she had an affair with Robert Kennedy Jr. She was a political reporter covering RFK, as I just said, Trump. And she also wrote that major piece on Joe Biden that outed the conspiracy to keep his cognitive declared decline hidden. And that piece, among some other things, are what led to Joe Biden pulling out of the race. And she covered RFK Jr's presidential run. She covered his pivot to endorse Donald Trump. After a lifetime of being a Democrat and with her book rollout, this has all resulted in one of the most enticing media circuses this year, which is saying a lot because y' all know what happened this year. So, yeah, it's been a wild ride. I am so excited for this episode because it's created my absolute favorite thing of all time. Dueling memoir accounts. This is my true crime. Reading nonfiction life accounts by separate people talking about the same thing and trying to detective the truth in between the lines where they intersect and do not intersect. So come on and join me. This one is so up and amazing and you know I love a dueling memoir. If you want to listen to one of our best dueling memoirs memoir episodes, please go listen to the Burt Reynolds and Lonnie Anderson's Dueling Divorce memoirs or the Rob Lowe and Melissa Gilbert dueling memoirs with our guest Paul Shear. We will link both in the show notes. So I love doing a dueling memoir series, but Olivia Newsy has gifted us far more than two dueling memoirs. No, no, no, no, no. This is not a dueling piano situation. This is an orchestra. Today we will be covering her gobbledy book, one of the weirdest reading experiences of my life. Plus, we'll be pulling literature from her jilted fiance Ryan Lizza's tell all substack posts where he basically uses Olivia's affair like a diving board. Of information to catapult himself back into relevance. Plus we've got sports journalist and political commentator Keith Olbermann tweeting and podcasting to add his side to the Olivia fair. Plus I have excerpts from her former friendship with the Delulu Jessica Reed Krause from the Funtime conspiracy blog House in habit, who was RFK Jr. S biggest supporter and Olivia befriended Jessica to get closer to him. And Jessica Reed Kraus is now utterly wrecked that Olivia had an affair with him and she went off the deep end posting a ton of Instagram stories about it that I will also read today. And if this is is interesting to you after this episode, go listen to our episode that we just did covering Cheryl Hines memoir. Cheryl Hines, the actress who played the wife on curb youb enthusiasm, RFKJR's current wife Cheryl, came out with a memoir. We covered it on this podcast just for subscribers and Patreon members. So support the podcast, get all the juice, Sign up on Patreon or Apple subscriptions. Listen to that episode because Cheryl Hines memoir, which we will reference in these episodes as well. It was something. Here's what I'll tell you about Cheryl Hines memoir. After recording the episode, our producer flagged a pickup for me, saying that I had said RFK Jr's job title wrong. And so I re recorded it. And then we realized that I had said it wrong because Cheryl Hines, actress from Curb youb Enthusiasm, his current wife of many years, wrote and printed her husband's job incorrectly in the memoir. She said he worked in human resources instead of human services shout out to her absolute shitty publishing house. That's really just a doghouse think tank with a printer. I mean, Cheryl not only printed it, she said it out loud in the audiobook. Bobby was sworn in as the Secretary of Health and Human Resources by President Trump on February 13, 2025. If anything can explain Sheryl Hines and RFK Jr. S relationship, it is that anecdote. Okay, so we have so much to get into and this is just part one, so strap the fuck in. Here's all your trigger warnings. I already know it's gonna get wild, so here's your warning for sensitive content. My guest for part two on Friday will be Becca Platsky from the podcast Corporate Gossip. She read Cheryl Hines memoir with me and she is currently on a cruise ship reading Olivia Newsies memoir so you know she means business. She's serious about this. So tune in Friday where we will wholly focus on Olivia's memoir. Today I am going solo delivering my TED Talk grad school trash thesis on all of the dueling memoirs you must hear about in order to truly, truly understand how unbelievable everything inside Olivia's memoir is. Now here is your character rundown so you can understand this episode. There are six characters, yes, six characters who you have to know the first Olivia Newsy, political journalist. She had an affair with RFK Jr. Who is currently working in the Trump administration. RFK Jr. Is married to Cheryl Hines, who was the wife in Curb youb Enthusiasm. They are currently married. Olivia Nuzzi, during her affair with RFK Jr was also engaged to a political journalist, Ryan Lizza. Finally, the two side characters are Keith Olbermann, who Olivia Newsy once dated a long time ago, and Jessica Reed Kraus, who is RFK Jr. S biggest supporter with her blog and became good friends with Olivia and are now enemies.

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Those are your six people to keep track of. Here we go. Now, I am not the first to say this, and if you think I'm being harsh, I promise you I'm not. Just pick up Olivia's book American Canto yourself, or read some of the excerpts that I posted on the Glamorous Trash Instagram at Glamorous Trash podcast because this is one of the most poorly written things I have ever jammed through my brain. I know my guest suffered, and I know anyone who has reviewed the book has also said the same thing. Plus my dear friend Tracy Thomas from the Stacks podcast, who lives for reading, she had to DNF it. And it's so wild that this book is so bad, because in Olivia's other work, she's not a bad writer. She has written incredibly popular pieces constantly. So kind of diving into how this book happened is its own story. What particularly makes this book so bad is that Olivia uses the vocabulary of an Ivy League English major who really thinks that's something. And that it's impressive to use the word canto as if it's just like your regular speak. But every now and then, some of her sentences are truly brilliant. They're beautiful. They are indeed kento. They are poetry. They are stunning. And those good sentences, when they come, are surrounded by the dumbest, most nonsensical trash slop that is cosplaying as if it's also high minded. The book is so unclear. Every other word is sucking the dick of the word that came before it. Not to mention, if you don't already know the story of Olivia Newsey's career and affair, you cannot comprehend this memoir because there's zero context, zero explanation, and 1000 distant didion like metaphors. In fact, someone commented on the Instagram post that I posted. It was Joan. Joan Didiant, I think. Shout out to that person. Now. I could barely understand this book because nothing is introduced. And for all of the characters in the book, she's using names like the politician when she talks about RFK Jr and the man I did not marry for journalist Ryan Lizza, her ex fiance. But every single person in the book except for Trump is given a name like that. So you just never know who anyone is. Unless you were just already a wild Olivia Newsie fan or maybe just deep in Washington, D.C. gossip yourself. I have joked on this podcast that every year I will give out the Heather Gay Dodging the Truth with a Metaphor award each year to a memoirist who tries to dodge the truth. Like how Heather described her divorce as a series of icebergs hitting different ships and sinking. But Olivia Newsy puts Heather Gay to shame. I want to read just one sentence to you. It is an entire paragraph long, but it is one sentence. So when you hear me pause to take a breath, I am at a comma, because this is all one thing. Okay. And I'm going to read super slowly so you can try and understand how this is allowed to be a sentence, because I'm pretty sure it's not. I still cannot figure out what it means. And if you can get in those comments, because I'm pretty sure it's just mush. But here we go. We were primed to participate in the farcical parable in which the son of a businessman dreams of making movies, goes to Hollywood, comes home, becomes a businessman who thinks still of the screen, thinks of Hollywood, who makes himself a star as consolation, becomes the skilled practitioner of a screen art that perverts notions of truth and make believe, who, like many stars, succumbs to tyrannical impulses and authoritarian fantasies because of the compromise of his life, feels like a loss of control, an expression of weakness, because it is. And whose fantasies, in a pretty good twist, are not his alone, but are instead woven into a mass delirium that splits us into a Gemini nation under a Gemini ruler.

I mean, okay, so Trump's a Gemini. I'll take that from it. Yeah, maybe we're a Gemini nation if. If the two sides of us are the left and the right, the blue and the red, and something about him liking Hollywood. And so it's all a fake parable in the White House. We knew that. We knew that. I didn't need that sentence to do that. But if if she's saying something else, you can let me know. Basically, imagine reading 300 pages of that. On top of that, if you try and listen to Olivia's memoir, it sounds like this.

[Olivia Newsy (voice excerpt)]

On the steps of the Met, the politician on the phone, you didn't do anything wrong. He said he did not understand how I could be in any kind of professional trouble over a personal relationship. If we got married, it still wouldn't be wrong.

[Chelsea Devantes]

But if you listen to her in an interview from just a couple of years ago, she sounds like this stiff.

[Olivia Newsy (voice excerpt)]

I mean, as journalists, we want more information all the time, right? That's what we want in general from any politician. And I think that when you talk in this stilted way, when you sound like a consultant, when you're afraid of making people angry at you, you're tiptoeing around, you're not really saying the truth. And I think people can sense that.

[Chelsea Devantes]

This woman is pulling one of the finest and most desperate moves known to a woman in peril. The I'm a real sexy baby, don't hurt me. And I get it, okay, listen. Sometimes men turn to incel violence and murder and sometimes women pull a Benjamin Button. Sexy little baby, please don't hurt me. I'm just a little sexy baby. I want to read a quote in the book that for me explained it so, so very much. Blondes make the best victims. They're like virgin snow that shows up the bloody footprints. Alfred Hitchcock. Not the greatest guy to be quoted in your little memoir, but okay. Alfred Hitchcock, known for torturing, berating and harassing his blonde actresses for sport. I feel sure that Olivia would have attempted to date him as a way to subdue him and tame him. Olivia is obsessed with being blonde. It's going to come up a lot in Friday's episode. She knows the role of quote, victim and I think it's pretty clear she's using it to gain back some power. And honestly, given what the men around her up to like o say RFK Jr killing people with incorrect medical advice, to her I say.

Let'S go girls. Listen, apparently there's no rules, so Olivia take part. I wish she was wielding this tactic of oh me, I'm just a non threatening innocent blonde. Mr. President.

I wish she was wielding that tactic better. I wish there were noble intentions behind it. I would in fact be delighted by her. If only the book were good. Even half good. Her chosen quotes in the book are actually my favorite part. Her quote curation are like the memes being shared by someone who just went through a breakup. Like anytime someone goes through a breakup and begins to share the memes, you know, the self help quotes or like the lessons learned to their Instagram stories. That's where the truth is. Every meme is telling the true tale. And honestly, anytime anyone shares a self help quote on Instagram, you're like, okay, this is a detail from your life that we can learn seeing which advice you chose. So here's an example of 1. The title is Genesis. When God returns to Eden and demands to know if Adam has eaten the forbidden fruit, Adam does not hesitate. He sells Eve out. The woman whom thou gavest to be with me. She gave me of the tree and I did eat. End quote. Adam was a rat. My note in the book was, okay, this is Ryan Lizza, I guess, your ex fiance. So the quotes come in the book because, well, I don't know why they do, but they kind of act as chapters or breaks in the story because there are no chapters. There are no chapters, there's no break in the text. There's no organization of a story flow. There's nothing. It's all just like one big vomit soup. The last memoir that did this to me was Lauren Bacall, which I give her grace because celebrity memoirs weren't written a ton back then the way she wrote hers. However, no Chapter Breaks. I nearly jumped off a bridge that time. I nearly jumped off a bridge this time. No Chapter Breaks is a movie with no cutaways, that never cuts. The black is just doing one take the whole time. It's exhausting. I kind of felt like maybe Olivia is hoping we don't finish the book. Like she's trying to exhaust you through it and hope that you come out of it so discombobulated you can't turn around and articulate anything about it. There are also no book acknowledgments. You get to the end and it's just over. There's nothing comes after it now. In an interview on the Bulwark Podcast, Olivia said she didn't include acknowledgments because she didn't want to implicate anyone involved and get them in more trouble. However, she name checks Sally Quinn throughout the book. Anne Marine Dowd, which I'll get to on Friday. And on Instagram she made this Instagram post about her book rollout that was actually very funny, but she name checked so many people calling to support her. So the idea that, like, you don't want to get anyone else in trouble doesn't really make sense. I don't think that's why she did it. However, it's hilarious not to thank anyone in your book. She's the person I think would do it. I have actually never encountered a book that didn't have any acknowledgments. Not the editor, not the publisher, not the assistant, not the spell checker. Maybe. Maybe none of those things existed. Doubt it. I know they did. But whatever. Now, Olivia Newsy is 32 years old. She was a reporter and correspondent for the White House, interviewing Trump when she was just 21 old. She is a prodigy. Like what? That is so thrilling. They all saw a 21 year old, blonde, ambitious hottie and said, send her to talk to Trump. And listen, if J.D. vance can write a memoir about how poor he was, even though he absolutely wasn't, well, then Olivia can publish this memoir. I think her actions are such a deep blow to journalism. But in this show of an apocalypse we're in, nothing makes more sense than the lead reporter being fucking terrible. She prints interviews with Trump in her book where she's talking to him seriously and complimenting him, and it's like, this is who got time with him. And we will read more of those again on Friday. But da. Now I'm getting into the bag of crazy. And I just gotta say I'm sorry, but I'm thrilled to see a woman become one of the main characters in this circus. She actually could be the Andy Kaufman of journalism, the Andy Warhol for the state of media politics. And I think that's what's happening. Only she's not in control of it, and I don't think it was her intention. So it's falling short. And I wish she would pivot and own that she is making a mockery of the poison confetti we live in daily by being the biggest clown of them all and posing as a political reporter. Is that her story? Is that what her arc is? First, we must start at the beginning.

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I want to start her story by quoting my very brilliant, powerful friend in D.C. who I've known almost my whole life. And I texted her when I was in the middle of reading this nightmare of a burden run on sentence that Olivia calls a book and my friend texted back this quote. People would always say Olivia slept her way up to the top of the profession, but she went to a mentoring lunch with Keith Olbermann when she was 18 years old and he was 52. He's 34 years older than her and that mentoring lunch turned into a, quote, relationship. So this skeezy weird daddy issue circus act is the best thing available to her. Meanwhile, Ryan Lizza can get me too at New Yorker and hired at Politico, no problem. And Keith Olbermann's Part of this story is being a predator, and yet he's shamelessly podcasting about the relationship he had with Olivia when she was a teenager. Teenager. Now, what I think my friend was saying, poetically, or American Kanto, if you will, was that Olivia's path was laid for her when she was still a teenage girl. It's a path she has chosen to continue where dating these icky men and breaching journalistic ethics is what gets her to each next step. Meanwhile, she's so evocative and a woman that all of our attention goes to her and her actions. And the gross, skeevy men have the gift of being overlooked and continuing on with their lives as normal. Now, while Keith Olbermann saw mentoring as handing a young teenage girl his dick, it's possible Olivia saw it that way too, because just two years prior, at 16 years old, Olivia produced and recorded a pop song titled Jailbait, and the lyrics basically foreshadow everything that occurred. Bad things happen when you hear my name Deny your attraction But I've got no shame 16 will get you 20 I've got you like the light. Notably at 16, that was the last time we saw Olivia as a natural brunette singing I'm Jailbait. Now, I was thinking about the takeaways from her pop star attempts to a less than two year pivot to aspiring political journalist. And having lunch with Keith, my initial thought was, damn, her family must have had money. There was production value on that song. She's not a musician, so it's like someone had to have like, you know, written the music and recorded the beat. And unless she did that all herself and I don't know, it read to me or it sounded to me like, like a Rebecca Black, like being gifted a pop career for your sweet 16. And the second thing I thought was, damn. All the Britney Spears references in American Kanto sure make a lot more sense now. However, also in Olivia's book, she writes several times that her parents were always hard up for money and they struggled a lot. I fact checked it to the best of my ability, but all I could find are Olivia's own accounts that her father was a sanitation worker and her mother. She didn't ever say a job she had, but she suffered from alcoholism and this makes the most sense. A teenage girl looking for her way out of a shitty, tough childhood. 16 years old in 2010 looks around culture and sees the only way we let young women with no qualifications and connections somehow alter their path in life to gain power in this world as a sexy pop star. Now Olivia's mom had tried to make her child actor, which again points to a parent using their ambitious child as rent money and Olivia learning from a young age how to gain power and attention. So it makes sense that as a teenager she turns to music and somehow makes that song. Now I found this write up of her album that was actually published on popjustice.com in 2010 and reading this is what put it all into perspective for me. I of course could be wrong, but I drew many conclusions about her character from this piece because Olivia as a 16 year old girl had reached out to do publicity for her own single once again called Jail Bait. So somehow she did the full production of this and then became her own PR person. Like no wonder she and Trump got along. And Olivia herself sent out an email that popjustice.com must have found so funny that they then published something about her single in order to make fun of her. This is an excerpt from it where they basically published the email that Olivia had sent to them. Quote, offensive, vapid, frothy, bubblegum, outrageous, morally bankrupt and undeniably infectious. These are just some of the words that have been used to describe Jail Bait and the not yet legal mind behind it. 16 year old singer songwriter Livy it continues of her debut single, she says Jail Bait is about the role of the underaged, hypersexualized girl in society. That girl who takes half naked photos of herself in the mirror with her camera phone. It's about pornographic ideals infiltrating our collective consciousness, this obsession with youth and beauty. I'm not saying any of this is wrong, I'm simply stating that it is. This song is me coming into a societal realization. Then the website wrote this. Well, let's see how this societal realization makes itself known through the lyrics. Want to hear the song? They then link to it. They say, oh dear. Our favorite thing about the email is that after treating us to a song celebrating the lighter side of pedophilia with a social conscious and lightness of touch that makes Ke$ha seem almost sentient, Livy leaves us with this splendidly formal sign off. Thank you in advance for any consideration and for your time. Feel free to contact me at your convenience. More [e-mail] officiallivy music now obviously they published parts of the email and what she had written about her own biography and stuff because they're making fun of her. And in this they also are like it makes Kesha seem almost sentient. Like off stuck up elitist music bros like you like Obviously, they're totally looking down on all women, not just Olivia. And while this is bonkers and the jailbait song is tough, listen to that last sentence. I'm not saying that any of this is wrong. I'm simply stating that it is. This song is me coming to a societal realization. She is 16 years old and has been like, oh, this is the only way. Now, two things are true for me here. You cannot judge an adult on their actions. As a 16 year old, and also at 16, you are a potent human being making your first adult steps. I can look back on things I did at 16 where I'm like, shit, that is the core of me. And also stuff where you're just being dumb and whatever. The fact that Olivia had decided sexual exploitation of herself was the path is also important because only two years after trying to launch this pop career, she has somehow gotten in touch with Keith Olbermann by just blindly messaging him, asked him to a mentorship lunch, and has pivoted her interest to a career in journalism. So how did this switch up? There's a saying that goes around dc. It's an old saying that Washington DC is just like Hollywood, but for fives. It's not my saying I didn't make it up. However, I can see Olivia not immediately making it as a pop star, seeing the many, many, many obstacles in the way to that career, especially when you don't have help and money behind you and decided, you know what, if I take my hot ass to Washington, I think I'm going to be Pamela Anderson and I'll be interviewing the President by the time I'm 21. And while I would love for that to not be true, it absolutely was. She succeeded incredibly. I think it was a combination of talent, intelligence and hot girl warfare. What I don't see is an actual interest in journalism or politics. Olivia was here to play and to fight, but not to like do great journalistic work or make political change. At least as far as I can tell from her book. So Olivia's memoir was pushed actually by a couple weeks when she and her publisher realized it was coming out the same week as Cheryl Hines memoir. To which I say, terrible decision, Olivia. Capitalize on the scandal that already exists. The fire has been started. Add your book to said fire. Someone who knows that media lesson extremely well is Ryan Lizza, the man who Olivia was engaged to while she was having the affair with RFK Jr. The man who outed the affair, and the man who is currently using his sub stack like it's a Revenge dress At a Bravo reunion, Ryan Lizza is bolstering his own career, getting a shit ton of new subscriptions, including my $10, and he is trying to settle the score. So let's pull from that text. Ryan Lizza's first sub stack dropped a few days before her book and it is a banger. Now, aside from his Heather Gay metaphors about bamboo and cleaning that are meant to explain how he found out about Olivia's affair by constantly having to clean up her mess, it's a banger. The premise of his first piece is this. Ryan describes finding out about the affair, how it meant that Olivia had breached her journalistic ethics, ruined a political book deal they were both working on, and how she'd had an affair with a presidential candidate she was supposed to be covering, and the scandal of that. Ryan includes a new detail. As the public had been told the affair with RFK Jr was only texts and phone sex. But in Ryan's substack, he says they had sex just once. But then he delivers the blow. He wasn't writing about Olivia and RFK Jr. He was writing about four years prior to when Olivia was covering presidential candidate Mark Sanford and had an affair with him and slept with him and how she'd done this entire thing with a presidential candidate she was covering and then four years later did it again with RFK Jr. This defines everything. The idea that this is Olivia's way not and oopsies, I fell in love. The silent part, not written but fully clear, is that as much as Olivia can't be trusted, neither can Ryan Lizza. He wrote all of this and then stayed with her for four more years supporting her breached ethics. They got another book deal together and was a part of it all until it happened again. Ryan's writing is clear and at least it seems like he's being honest and damning himself, which I think is where he is succeeding over Olivia right now. But he's. I mean, he's just as complicit. Ryan describes how when he met Olivia, they were friends and he was trying to rescue his friend Olivia from her sugar daddy relationship with Keith Olbermann that she was trapped in and couldn't get out of. He writes about how Keith was 34 years older than her and Ryan got her out of there and into his bed. Ryan, you know, fails to mention in that paragraph that maybe Keith Olbermann is 34 years older than Olivia, but Ryan is 19 years older than her. So when she was so called, rescued by him at 22 years old, which is still young as hell. This man was 41. So she's got a type. Ryan Lizza, RFK Jr. Keith Olbermann, Mark Sanford. I mean, yikes. So, I mean, I've talked about it on the podcast before, but I was in a relationship with a man 13 years older than me when I was 26 and he was 39. And that me up so bad. The effects still ripple through my therapy sessions. And thinking of Olivia living this power dynamic permanently and constantly ever since she was 18, makes me really, really sad. Ryan said this of Olivia's relationship with Keith Olberman not that long ago. I had helped her untangle herself from an unusual relationship with Keith Olbermann, the former MSNBC host. She had messaged him out of the blue. They started talking, and soon after, she fled her unhappy home in suburban New Jersey and started living with Keith in Manhattan. He paid for her to attend college, outfitted her in Tom Ford and Hervey Leger dresses and some $15,000 worth of Cartier jewelry. Later, he covered her rent and furnished her apartment in a doorman building in the West Village. Now, real quickly, did you catch that? She fled her unhappy home in suburban New Jersey, which goes against some of the things Olivia has said about her childhood. Anyways, I caught that as, like, shade or dig. Okay, Now, Keith Olbermann tweeted a reply to that part of Ryan's substack, saying, by the way, about this from Liz's reply. Olivia and I lived together for four plus years. Four birthdays, four Christmases, four anniversaries. That's like $1,250 of jewelry per celebration. And her apartment was a studio and I made a ton. Then what was I supposed to do? Get her gift certificates from Kmart? So he's like, this is funny. I'm a good sugar daddy. Obviously, I gave her all that money I had. To me old, she young. That's what sugar daddy do. And you know what? Yeah, that is what a sugar daddy do, I guess. Keith Ryan also wrote this in his first substack. Olivia had concealed the relationship with Keith from me and other friends. But one day, she told me everything. Too much, actually. And together we hatched a plan for her escape. And she had done something similar for me when she helped me untangle myself from a messy situation at the New Yorker where I worked for 10 years. Her enemies became my enemies, and vice versa. First off, yeah, intoxicating. I can see how that's like wearing, like, vials of blood around each other's necks. And it's Like Angelina Jolie, Billy Bob situation. Okay? Like, you guys took, like, weird blood oaths in the world of journalism. And yet when he says his messy situation at the New Yorker, Ryan is talking about the time he was accused of sexual harassment and fired. He, of course, didn't name it. So he's also writing around the truth. And I imagine having a young woman like Olivia defend him and stand by his side during this probably meant a lot to him and possibly the situation. So here the two of them become the Bonnie and Clyde of protecting our democracy through the free press. And, you know, explains a bit of why the media coverage of Trump hasn't done much to protect us, because these two are the power players, or some of them. Now, in Ryan's second subsect post, he outs some of the sex, sex that RSK Jr. And Olivia exchanged. If you'd like to fast forward, here's your warning. I am going to read this extremely disgusting poetry he sent her. I'm not going to do an impression. I'll angle my voice towards RFK Juniors. Okay? You're open mouth, awaiting my harvest. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Who is now the Secretary of Health and Human Services, had written to my then fiance. Drink from me, love. He continued, I mean to squeeze your cheeks, to force open your mouth. Hold your nose as you look up at me to encourage you to swallow. Don't spill a drop. I am a river, you are my canyon. I mean to flow through you. I mean to subdue and tame you, my love. And then.

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I hope you all enjoyed that. That was the best I could do. And then Ryan said this, but the poem he wrote, let's call it American Canyon. Now, did you catch that? American Canyon. American Canto, American Kanto came from American Canyon, maybe. I think that's another dig. Imagine a guy is sexting you, and he's like, whatever. Like, I'm gonna come so hard all over your face and, like, you're gonna love it. And then he's like, no, no, no. I'll hold your head, angle it up a little. And then I'm gonna just. I'm gonna open your mouth and I'm gonna plug your nose so you drink my disgusting cum and don't have a chance. Just so you know, I'm gonna, like, physically hold your mouth open. In case you were wondering how you're gonna catch my gum. I'll hold it open. Okay, Whatever. Ryan Lizza wrote this, I can't say there weren't any signs. I did find it odd that Olivia was simultaneously reading Robert Green's the Art of Seduction and Maureen Callahan's Ask not the Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed, which is a book we've been meaning to drag onto this podcast. Now, Ryan finish his sentence with this thanks to Bobby RFK junior's nickname, I am now aware of something called felching. Skip ahead if you don't want to hear what felching is. In 5, 4, 3, 2 behaviorally speaking, felching entails sucking or eating semen out of someone's anus, but it could also be your veg. Now Ryan Lizza's whole thing in this post is that Olivia has put him in the position to tell all on substack. I dare say we are felching by reading it, friends. And as to why Ryan didn't go get a book deal the moment Olivia took their shared book deal and turned it into her American Canto memoir, I don't know. Was it a lawsuit? Thing feels like a miss moment. While he certainly doesn't have to be doing Olivia dirty like this, I would argue that he actually does. If what he is saying is true, that RFK Jr and Olivia are currently trying to destroy him and his career in the plot to cover up their affair, Ryan wrote, quote, so now that we're here, you have to know more about what happened with Mark Sanford in 2020 to understand what happened with Olivia and Bobby in 2024. And you have to know more about Bobby's poetry to understand why he and Olivia plotted to destroy me. He then writes, I have never been able to convey her near total obsession with Bobby properly. What I can say with authority is that it seeped into every corner of her life, affected every relationship she had, and drove every decision she made in late 2023 and all of 2024, including her catch and kill operations on his behalf, the campaign strategy memos she wrote him, and the other journalistic transgressions that have still not been disclosed. He then ends his second substack post by saying that Olivia said, quote, if anyone ever finds out, I'm afraid Bobby will kill me. Now, if you listen to our Cheryl Hines episode, go do it. Become a subscriber. There's good stuff here. You will know that what she's nodding to of many things is RFK JR's ex wife who died by suicide or, as rumors say, that Bobby killed her or had her killed while also cheating viciously on her. And many accounts point to Cheryl Hines being one of the many women he was cheating with. Then Ryan Lizza in his next post begins to write about Olivia's friendship with Jessica Reed Kraus of House Inhabit quote the spring and summer of 2024 were busy for Olivia. Bobby was telling her he loved her and wanted to impregnate her. But he was also deeply confusing. He flipped back and forth between passionate engagement and total ghosting as she was struggling to understand him. To help decode him, Olivia turned to Jessica Reed Krause, a substack writer and Kennedy propagandist who is close to Bobby. At first, Olivia saw her as a rival and was jealous of Jessica's proximity to Bobby. So she tried to damage Jessica's credibility with anonymous Reddit posts. Okay, who's gonna find the Reddit account? Because somebody gotta find that anonymous Reddit account. Later, Olivia switched tactics and befriended Jessica, gaining a steady stream of intel about Bobby that helped her understand how many other women he might be having affairs with, whether there was any truth to the rumors that he had something to do with his ex wife's death, the real story behind whispers inside the campaign that Bobby, a former heroin addict, was using drugs again, and whether there was any chance Bobby would ever leave his wife, Cheryl Hines. Now I want to shout out and thank the Instagram account House in Horror, which captures everything Jessica puts out without having to give her money and often facts checks her lies. Now, this episode is too long for me to explain the house inhabits lore and I do wonder if there might be a fraction of people listening who read House Inhabit and don't realize how many lies should she's telling. But I digress. Let's discuss Jessica's House Inhabit Instagram posting that creates another dueling memoir side of the Olivia Newsy affair. Jessica posted this I do not drag people unless I'm forced to. Absolutely hilarious. If you know anything about how many women she's dragged. I don't know if you remember when who was it? Oh, Jonah Hill had an example posting things about their relationship. But mostly what I remember is that Jessica Reed Krause immediately was like I will end that woman and took up that as like that was like seven days of her life was like going after Jonah Hill's ex girlfriend. Okay, I do not drag people unless I'm forced to. If you cunningly inject yourself into my life, earn my trust, and then burn my sources to aid your own agenda, I have no choice but to expose it. Using gossip parentheses traded in private twisted and manipulated to scare a politician into unblocking you so you can send more photos is a gross. Aside from nude photos, there were constant Warnings of imminent threats. Parentheses. His pieces she wanted to warn him about. So the blocks removed were usually prompted by his fear. At times, she used petty gossip I trusted her with to scar him back into communication. So Jessica is talking about how RFK Jr. Blocked Olivia. He. He blocked her. He didn't want this. He hated this ugly. But then she used my gossip so he would unblock her and she could send nudes. And also, she used rumors that, like, horrible pieces were about to drop in the press and he needed to know about it, and that's how she got him to unblock her. But he really hated her and he didn't want it, and he's a good guy and. And she's a hoe. That's what she's saying now. While Jessica calls herself a journalist, she is in no way a journalist. And if she were, wouldn't publishing this about your own skill set be strange? Quote, I don't care what New York magazine does with her parentheses. No one trusts that rag anyway. But I will make sure anytime she walks into a restaurant in Palm beach, every woman there knows exactly how she operates and the lengths she took to. To try and ruin what I've got going on while letting me build her up and promote her as something she is clearly not. Not only did she use me, she sought to destroy my credibility and her obsessive hunt for rfk. I care less about this quote, digital dalliance than her infiltration into my life. She's not a victim. She's an opportunist in a sweater dress two sizes too small. Oh, Palm Beach. Watch the out. Any cookies in Palm Beach?

I guess I listen. Start spreading the news now. Jessica is a patriarchal tool. And I do mean tool as an idiot, not tool. She hates women. It's why, in addition to being, like, two sizes too small, she also, in her Instagram stories, started calling Olivia big boned Meryl Streep. And also the Amber heard of Washington, D.C. so it just immediately like, oh, I know the only thing to value women for are their looks, so I'll just dig at her looks because that's the only thing we value about her. But Also, you love RFK's looks. Okay? And then the second thing is, like, comparing her to Amber Heard just doesn't map at all. Like, I get you're trying to be like, and she's just as bad as this other woman I hate, but it's like, how do you compare those two? I don't know. Also, Jessica posted this other thing that I will paraphrase which is like also she ruined a really special time for me. I was supposed to be moving my child into their college dorm and now I have to post a about this instead is very funny. Finally a Dringo. A Dringo for you all. For anyone new to the podcast, a Dringo is when we find yet another thing that is in almost every single memoir and you take a drink when you get the bingo or you just take a deep sigh. Dringo Gavin de Becker got involved. So while all this is happening and Jessica of House and Habit is making those posts, RFK hires Gavin to Becker or was probably always working with him. Who said this to the press? According to security expert Gavin de Becker, who is supposedly investigating the newsy Kennedy situation for Kennedy, the former presidential candidate is weighing civil litigation against the reporter with the potential for future criminal referrals. Quote this has nothing to do with romance, said Gavin to Becker. He was being chased by porn. Listen, we all know porn can't chase you. Soon it probably can, but we're not there yet. Absolutely hilarious, Gavin de Becker.

Anyways, I will start to begin I will start to begin to end Part one Now. The more I think about this book, the more I can't help but laugh at how choosing a title like American Kanto must have weighed it must have just added a thousand pounds of panic onto her shoulders. American Canto. Like what a promise it would be like if I had titled this episode Divisive Passageways across the Tepid Grass of America. And then you press play and I'm talking about felching. Like this is Olivia has not only insisted, she wrote this entire book on her phone while hiking. So you're typing and hiking. Hard to do. But on the Bull Rick podcast, she insisted that even when she read it back and edited the book, it was also on her phone. Now here's the thing. I read the book. I believe her. That that makes the most sense. My question is not if that's how you really wrote the book. My question is why? Why you have a computer? If I had to answer for her and take a guess, I would say she must not be ready to accept the big picture and can only process or move forward in fragments that don't reveal her entire truth to her or to anyone else. As to how else to explain the writing, I want to shout out a cookie named Heather for going deep and posting the research in the Patreon chat. So she had also given her $10 to Ryan Lizza and she'd gone into the comments where he was doing like an AMA and answering people. And Ryan Lizza, the man who she did not marry, said this of her writing in the comments of his subsec chat quote here's the problem for Olivia. She couldn't tell the real story of what actually happened because it's so damning. So she had to do this kind of psychedelic art project instead with a lot of hand waving and coyness and bullshit, and it just led her to create 300 pages of gibberish. If she had approached this like a reporter and told a conventional narrative that was honest and accurate about everything that happened, it could have been a really good book. Keith Olbermann also weighed in on the book, tweeting, need a newsy tldr? Trying to turn phone sex into Wuthering Heights is a high bar now. I made it through this book. It was hard and yet I'm really enjoying this journey. Talk me out of it. But it takes a woman to turn this mockery of an administration and media climate and distill the whole thing down into the easily understood and digestible. This is a fucking joke. It's like so crazy to even try and like interview Trump and distill true meaning. It's a joke. He's a fucking joke. Our media is often being a fucking joke throughout this administration and since 2016, since he ran it is a fucking clown car. Kate and Caboodle I am so interested to hear from the journalists out there and their take on all this. I just can't. Yeah, so much more to say. I would enjoy this way, way more if I thought Olivia Newsy was in control of this ride. Listen, I want her to be capitalizing on the scandal and using it like a trampoline to become more successful and make an amazing point. But I don't know if she's driving this ship. And to fully know where this story might be headed, we are going to dissect her memoir. So join me on Friday for part two of this episode where I can't believe I'm going to say this, but it's going to get even weirder. We'll be talking about Maureen Dowd, Monica Lewinsky, possibly Uma Thurman, definitely Trump, the assassination, Charlie Kirk, and how Olivia fits into it all and what lies and what truths are revealed when you compare that text to many of the other texts of the previous people mentioned in this episode. Now, if this podcast inspired you to join the discussion, if you have something to say, please go get on the Patreon, chat it out with us. I cannot wait for the comments on this episode. We have the most amazing group of people on our Patreon and there's so much to dive into. The conversation will continue officially on Friday when we crack open part two of this episode on Olivia newsi's Gobbledy Book.

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