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The Meghan (Markle) Sussex Rebrand and AI Boyfriends > Men on Love Is Blind?
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Chelsea Devantez
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Sports Announcer
Disney on March 21, the magical tale Snow White. Snow White, Snow White that started it all.
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Chelsea Devantez
I believe you're looking for me Arrives in theaters.
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Magic Mirror on the Wall Experience, the.
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Chelsea Devantez
Disney classic who's the fairest one of all?
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Sports Announcer
Like never before.
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Chelsea Devantez
We haven't even been Edward Ghost yet.
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Disney Snow White. Only in theaters March 21st. Ready?
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Chelsea Devantez
PG.
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Sports Announcer
Parental guidance suggested.
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Chelsea Devantez
Hey, welcome to Glamorous Trash. This is a celebrity memoir podcast and I'm your host, Chelsea Devontez. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, author. Sometimes I'm in stuff too. And this is a cookie jar episode where we take all the crumbs of the month and put them into one episode and everything we discuss is going to be on theme with this podcast. Some of the crumbs headed your way today. We have some really funny memoir updates of books we read. Unfortunately, Christina watched all of Meghan Markle's new show and is going to tell me about it. Love is Blind. We're discussing Candace Owens making her bag off of Justin Baloney's case. You know, we gotta talk about that. We have some highlights from the Patreon chat of just little tidbits that must be shared with the masses. We are going to discuss the chat GPT sexual love story that was on the Daily. And we also have a round of grudges, women to check on, psychic moments, husband jurors and wishes that we will do at the very end of this podcast. And because it is a cookie jar episode, you know, our producer Christina Lopez is my co host today. Hello.
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Christina Lopez
Hello.
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Chelsea Devantez
You ready to get into this?
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Christina Lopez
I'm so excited.
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Chelsea Devantez
Okay, well first I just want to start with a quick, very fun memoir update comes from Julia in the Patreon who pointed out that Ione sky was with a few of Madonna's exes. But Madonna also dated Warren Beatty. So Ione's mom was also with a Madonna ex. Now if you're not tracking this, we just read Ione Sky's memoir. It was a two hour episode. That's how good that book was. And yeah, Ione dated Madonna's exes. Madonna dated Warren Beatty. Warren Beatty was sleeping with Ione's mom in an earlier part of the timeline that, that's, that's incestuous. Is this a White Lotus storyline? Is this how close it's coming to? Just too close for comfort.
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Christina Lopez
I do want to make a whiteboard of all of the intersections between Mick Jagger, Warren Beatty, and. I don't know who would be the other person in this scenario.
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Chelsea Devantez
Prince. I think Prince would be the wild card that would then pull up some surprises in the Venn diagram.
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Christina Lopez
I gotta get started on this.
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Chelsea Devantez
I, Wow. I, I would love this. Listen, people really flipped for our Sling Dion slideshow that we posted in the Patreon, so maybe this is our next one. Christina.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. Oh, I love that.
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Chelsea Devantez
Get into the map of it all. I also was just on a friend's podcast today, Tess Barker, and we were talking about Barbra Streisand's supposed mall in her basement. And she brought up, remember in the audiobook when Barbra Streisand was like, oh, yeah, I guess I did fuck Warren Beatty. And I was like, damn, this dick is seeing some things.
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Christina Lopez
Well, what does that say about what Annette Bening is throwing down, that she was able to lock that down, you know, forever?
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Chelsea Devantez
I, you know, I, I, I don't. I think it's more like he sought therapy and listen, loving that, Benny, but, like, I don't believe there's like a single woman where it's like, well, what she did locked it down. It's like, no, he got help for whatever was going on for him.
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Christina Lopez
The mother wound that he had the deep.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, him call up Ione Sky's grandparents to get her mom's contact info every seven years for a shag. I think that means it's like he was like, I must sleep with three different women every night. That's what I think he was up to.
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Christina Lopez
Interesting.
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Chelsea Devantez
I don't know. Okay, let's move into our next hot topic, which is that you watched both episodes of Meghan Markle's new show. Is it called as Ever, or is the show called Something else?
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Christina Lopez
I don't remember. Honestly, not great. I was, I was there for Vibes. I was there for Vibes.
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Chelsea Devantez
Okay. Okay, so tell, tell, tell us everything.
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Christina Lopez
Okay, so it, there's two episodes. One of them has been decaling in it. I think that's the one that a lot of people have seen because there's been a, a couple of clips popping up. One in particular where she's like, I.
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Chelsea Devantez
Don'T think anyone in the world knows that Meghan Markle has eaten Jack in the box and loves funny too.
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Christina Lopez
That you keep saying Meghan Markle. You know, I'm Sussex now. You have kids and you go, no, I share my name with my children.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yes.
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Christina Lopez
And that feels so.
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Chelsea Devantez
I didn't know how meaningful it would be to me, but it just means.
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Christina Lopez
So much to go. This is our family name.
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Chelsea Devantez
Wait. Oh, my God. Wait.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah.
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Chelsea Devantez
What? Okay, first off, I just want to say I looked it up. The show is called With Love. Her new brand is called as ever.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah.
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Chelsea Devantez
And the old brand was American Riviera Orchard.
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Christina Lopez
Right. And then the original brand that she had, and she talks about this on the show, was the Tig, her lifestyle brand that she had for years.
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Chelsea Devantez
I see. Okay. So her last name is no longer Markle in her eyes?
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Christina Lopez
Yes, it is.
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Chelsea Devantez
Megan Sussex. As in the Duchess of Sussex?
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Christina Lopez
I think so. And it's actually not uncommon for the royals to do that. I saw a TikTok by Amanda Mata that. That I'll link to in the show notes about this. So when Harry and William were in the military, they went by Harry Wales, as in their father was the Prince of Wales at the time and William Wales. So it's not uncommon for them to leverage, like, their Duke Dom into their last names. That's not the official terminology. I'm not a royal head like that. So, yeah, so I guess they go by Sussex. I don't ding her for this in any way, because I think, obviously she has a complicated relationship with her father.
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Chelsea Devantez
Listen, hard. Relate. Yeah.
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Christina Lopez
So, like, I. Of course she would want to have a different name, I think, you know.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. I think it's tough when sort of, like, one thing they're most known for is. Is walking away from the royal family. So I think that that was the first thing I thought of is, like, wait a minute. You don't want that last name because, you know, listen, when you're estranged from your family, you often drop that name, too, so.
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Christina Lopez
Yes, exactly. And then there's like, we could zoom out and be like, well, are you trying to claim the, like, imperialist history of this name? You like, how far do we zoom out there?
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Chelsea Devantez
Nah, I'm too tired for that.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah, exactly. But that's basically, like, she seemed really proud to, like, talk about that. And so I'm like, okay, I guess that's one of the things that we took away. It opens with her and her little bee farm on her Montecito property, and she's learning how to harvest the honey. And then it cuts to her friend is coming over to spend the night. She talks about wanting to Create a very cozy home for him and. And is preparing, like, little treats, his favorite snacks. And she does this kind of thing where, like, she does a mix of. I'm picking berries from my home garden that I have in Montecito, and I'm also, like, repackaging this prepackaged, like, peanut butter pretzels that I bought at the store and just making them nice. And it's almost like. I don't know if you remember the Food Network. Sandra Lee. Okay, so Sandra Lee, basically, she grew up and her mom had mental health issues and she was the oldest daughter. So she leveraged, like, welfare funds and food stamps to be able to make, like, a mix of store food and homemade food to kind of make it half homemade.
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Chelsea Devantez
That's incredible.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. And so she. Her whole brand is like, 70% store bought, 30% homemade. And you can kind of, like, make your life sustainable that way. For people who have busy lives, sometimes it leads to really kooky recipes that she's done. Like, oh, I think she did something around Kwanzaa. I'll leave it at there. But I think that's what sort of Megan. And Megan talks about growing up watching these kinds of shows and, like, watching, like, Martha Stewart. And so I think her idea of making a home, she talks about being a latchkey kid. She talks about having frozen dinners. You know, I think this is how she has basically elevated her life. Coming from, like a, you know, single parent homes, you know, and trying to make more food for her kids that are, like, from her garden. Like I said, like, okay, trying to get back to basics. But also, like, what her basics are, are so much more elevated than, like, the average person. And this is where she gets accused of being, like, unrelatable. But I don't think she's trying to be relatable. I think she's trying to show her reality, you know, mixed with, like, her history of, like. I used to be someone who, you know, loved watching cooking shows and, like, was doing half homemade things, you know.
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Chelsea Devantez
So tell me, is the show good? Was it engaging? Because I saw the trailer, and the trailer, oddly, had a lot of silence in it.
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Christina Lopez
It's very calming. I enjoyed having it on. Like, I was watching it and then I had it on in the background, and it was just like, every once in a while I would look up and she does these other, like, segments that almost feel like. You remember during Mr. Rogers when they would go to, like, the crayon factory and you would see how a crayon is made. It's almost like, yeah, it's almost like side segments like that. It's very, like, soothing. They're, like, harvesting and, like, sifting it through the. You know, it's just very soothing and then, like, gentle, like, guitar music or whatever. That's just, like. It feels a little bit maybe stuck in 2014, 2017. A lot of her humor is also stuck in 2014.
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Chelsea Devantez
Jam is my jam.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah, she's like, they're busy bees. And she looks, like, right into the camera as she's saying it.
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Chelsea Devantez
Oh, no. Oh, my God.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. Or she'll say, harry and the kids and the dogs love the smell of bacon. And she's like, I guess my bacon brings all the boys to the yard. And I'm like, Megan, oh, my.
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Chelsea Devantez
Oh, okay.
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Christina Lopez
So, like, I think I feel like I'm giving you more context of, like, someone who might be stuck in 2014, 2017, trying to, like, do things that are home and crafty and Elevated was a word that she tossed around so much during both episodes. I mean, I can't say I hate the game. Like, I find a lot of that content soothing in general. But, yeah, you know, I don't know. I think people are, like, scrutinizing it a little too closely, but I also get why.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, of course. This is so fascinating. And I feel like we could devote an entire episode to trying to unpack the unlikability, because I. And the focus on it and sort of the amounts that she puts out in the world compared to the amount of press and engagement, it's just, like, extraordinary. And so I think it really does go beyond some of the basic tent poles. You know, we do have our sexism. We do have our racism. We do have our colonial royalism. I don't even know what you call that. You have those things in there. I think there absolutely is five more layers in order for it to be hitting these sharp notes in the world. And I want to discuss it because someone in our. You know, in our sugar cookie book club, which. Which we do live on Zoom, I think you missed it, but Jessica was like, elon Musk is branding way crazier than Megan putting X on everything. And he owned X from the whatever, and it actually has way harder consequences for our lives. And he doesn't get as much negative press for those types of decisions as Megan does. And he's also, like, for as awkward as that trailer was for Megan's show, he does not have a cadence or a charisma. He can't hit joke humor. So it's like, what's the dip. What's the difference in that? And I'm starting to think that it is. And this is so up, but I think it is a soothing pastime for people to be mad at an annoying woman. And. And it's like, you know, where it's like, Elon takes, like, some thought and the government, not real consequences. And it's. It's not fun to take in. Whereas Megan, you can take in her content and have opinions, and also when she's a little bit out of touch, you know, it makes you feel like she's not meeting the moment of the type of show people are looking for from her.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. I think there's an element here that I think is really smart, which is she's leaning into hosting at home. And I was just talking to someone about, you know, I had a roommate room out recently. I live with him for 10 years. He just bought a house. It's nothing bad, but I, like, now have a whole space to myself. And also, like, the economy is tight, so I'm like, oh, I should have people over. That's how I can get more people in my life. Because, like, going out, you can't leave the house anymore without spending $30.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah.
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Christina Lopez
And so I think we're gonna see a lot more like, indoor hang culture coming back. And that's why this is such a smart pivot, I think. But it also leans into the larger homesteading, homemaking culture that's on the rise, on the trad wife pipeline. So I think this is speaking to something that's larger, that's happening in culture, but also like, cultivating. Because of the tight economy, we're going to have more interpersonal at home hangs.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah.
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Christina Lopez
And how is she, you know, using this platform? Is she supposed to be someone who uses this platform? I know people are like, her privilege. Her privilege. But, like, are we looking to someone like Meghan Markle to speak politically about tearing down the oligarchy, the patriarchy, everything that's happening right now?
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Chelsea Devantez
Right. Well, especially because she experienced it firsthand. I think you're especially like, talk about this, but sure, I've been trying to, like, lessen social plans in my life just because I just find myself having a lower capacity or tolerance right now emotionally. But I still want to be social. And I've been having people over now. You've heard me on this podcast. Horrible host, very bad. Bad at cooking, bad at cleaning. But. But I do know what it's like when someone does it well, and it's so nice.
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Christina Lopez
I'm Very much like, in the vein of Whoopi Goldberg, where I'm like, I don't want people in my house, but, like, I have to, like, be able to make community. So I guess I'm gonna have to start having people in my house. And I need to be better about.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, see, and I. And I do want. I love when people are amazing hosts. Like, I do want that skill set, but I don't believe I can turn on the Meghan Markle show and learn that. But what. You know what?
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Christina Lopez
I.
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Chelsea Devantez
But maybe I can. I'm gonna try it out. But I've. I've seen some of her chopping in the videos. Like, and I'm not gonna, like, be. Have honey from my garden. Like, I. I need like, one thing.
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Christina Lopez
She does also is something called flower sprinkles, where it's just like a little jar and it's like edible flowers. And she uses it as like an ac. Like an add on for everything. It's like, oh, just add flower sprinkles.
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Chelsea Devantez
No, it's making me mad. I don't know why it's making me mad. It's just like, I think it would be genius to meet this moment and in your show say, like, community is important right now. Interpersonal, face to face, off your phone. Tighten the straps. Here is like an easy way to host, and it's Meghan Markle doing it. I mean, I'd be all over that thing. The fact that Netflix bought into her product brand, which we don't know what that is yet, and it's called, as ever, that should be an affordable every household type brand. I just, I'm doubting that she's gonna deliver that. We're gonna move from this trad wife, Meghan Markle, subject to Candace Owens, because I think it's a good bridge.
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Christina Lopez
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that this is it. They're all in community with each other.
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Chelsea Devantez
They are. They really are.
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Christina Lopez
I will say the second episode is worth it. Just alone to see Mindy Kaling.
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Chelsea Devantez
Okay, let's pivot to Candace O. Owens. So just in case you don't know Candace Owens, right wing political influencer person.
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Christina Lopez
That's. I would say political commentator.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, yeah, definitely rebel vibes. Like, like alt, right? Like, she's also a black woman and like, one of the videos that made her famous, I'm sure many of them. But one of them is her knocking on the mansion of the Black Lives Matter people and being like, you lied. Like, tell me about it. And it's them being like, Go away. You know, she has her own independent show and she does YouTube, she does podcasting. It's very, very Joe Rogan vibes, but I would say, like, even more video content than him, maybe. And she is launching a, like, lifestyle platform, kind of like what we were just talking about, where she's going to do, like, workout videos and recipes and all this stuff aimed a lot at young mothers. And she has a book coming out where she's like, post like, Gloria Steinem on one of her books. And it's like a. I don't know, it's a message about Gloria Steinem feminism. And I think she's holding a sign that says, like, make them a sandwich. So she has this book, she has this brand. And I think this article came out in the cut that was really fascinating because so many people were finding Candace Owens just as, like, a fun podcaster content for young moms. And a big part of how she just made another surge in popularity is because she was covering the Jake Baloney case and, like, daily doing hours worth of Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively court case updates. And I'm just assuming really on Justin Baldoni side, given, like, her platform, but basically finding this content, her positioning you to go follow her workout videos and her recipes. And perhaps you would never know that she also said and did horrific political things. She's been really anti Semitic. She's had conspiracy theories about gay people. She's downplayed the impact of slavery and racism in the black community. And as a black woman in the MAGA movement, obviously this was like, hugely platformed. She said that George Floyd died of a drug overdose rather than asphyxiation, even though we all watched the video. So this is how dangerous her. Her views can be. And she claims that black Americans are the most murderous group in America. And so now she's launched Club Candace. And I think what I'm worried about is that it's not a rebrand and that it is a Trojan horse. It's the way for people like me to be like, what was in that court case and accidentally find her video and then work my way into vaccines aren't real Trump for oligarchy, stuff like that. I'm hopeful, knowing Candace's history, Candace just follows the clout. She just wants fame and money, no matter where it comes from, because she used to have some progressive platforms. And so I think she's just going to follow the money. And I wonder if she can just pivot to talking about pop culture if she will. But right now she is staunchly trying to pull women into conservatism via misinformation.
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Christina Lopez
Yes. Taylor Lawrence talked about this in her substack about Candace that we're going to share in the show notes. But basically, like, there is this void that happened when lean in culture and girl boss culture didn't work out. And a lot of us, a lot of women felt left unfulfilled by that, unfulfilled by the promise of that. And at around the same time, concurrently, a lot of women's media was collapsing. And so there was a void of people talking to this type of audience. And tradwife culture, tradition, culture, started focusing and speaking to these women and talked and focused in on homemaking, which is something that became big during the pandemic when we were all sort of looking into our lives, right. And taking stock of, like, working as hard didn't save us from getting laid off. Working as hard didn't save us from making less money. This was an audience that was left out and finally has someone talking to them. But unfortunately, it's something that doesn't align with our views and beliefs of the show. And, well, that generally benefits women politically.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, I was going to say it's like, fuck our beliefs. Like, listen, I believe them, but it's going to walk them into less money, less care, more domestic violence where you have no power to leave, less health care. Like, things that. That are going to deeply impact all of our lives, especially if those laws and regulations reach us, which they already have. And, yeah, I think it's so well said and, like, fudgeing message for Hollywood. I don't know, is it a theme of the podcast when I'm screaming like, we have all the money and all the eyes and all the viewership, and you just won't make content for us and you won't put us in charge of our own content. And so, of course, on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, where women can be their own media companies, they take off because we are the massive demographic and we are consumers and we are. We are running our households. When I watch Candace make a workout app, I'm like, that's genius. She's going to fudge our country up. Fudge. Why can't I be a dumb bitch and make a workout app? We need female Joe Rogans who believe the opposite shit, and we don't have them.
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Christina Lopez
I was just going to say that that was the biggest conversation that was coming out of Kamala's loss was like, how she didn't go on podcasts enough and how the left doesn't have a Joe Rogan or doesn't have a Candace Owens. And so what could that look like? Is that the answer? You know what I mean? Like, do we want one person to have so much sway over people? I don't.
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Chelsea Devantez
I do think culture is always the answer. It's like, it's, it's. I love entertainment for a lot of goofy reasons, but a small pillar is always, like, how impactful it was to my life as a child to learn about standing up for yourself as a woman via the First Wives Club. You know, Like, I've always wanted to make art that makes it to the person who never would have heard that lesson if someone hadn't made like a big dumb comedy about it and so.
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Christina Lopez
Or did a podcast that covered somebody else's story about it.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But I think, you know, in this, like, attention creator economy, you've really got to, like, knives out you your way to, like, find those clicks. And like, my soul doesn't want to do it, but my. But my brain does. And it's not that I think I. To be honest. Like, I don't, I don't. I don't even think I could handle being whatever the equivalent of Candace Owens is. It's not even my goal. But it doesn't kill my desire to want someone like that for us. And it saddens me that Call Her Daddy is our closest. Our closest comparison. Only because she had to give like a 10 minute preamble before having Kamala on the podcast.
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Christina Lopez
And even then, it was like, still a huge backlash to her.
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Chelsea Devantez
I know. Yeah, but that's the thing. I was mad at first because I was like, you built such a trash baiting audience. I'm not saying this specifically people, but I'm saying, like, you built your show in such a way that this is going to be shocking. And I was mad at her first, and then I was like, oh, my God. She's actually very brave because she was okay with losing like a massive amount of listenership over this. Yeah, we need more people like that. And are we gonna have them? Are we gonna have them?
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Christina Lopez
I don't know. I hope so. We're in a right swing right now, but I think it will hopefully swing left again. And I don't know, that goes back to. What do we do to make that swing back, you know?
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, listen, something to think about. Okay, let's move on to something petty and stupid. Love is blind.
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Christina Lopez
Oh, yes. This is one that I'm blind in. So that's Right.
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Chelsea Devantez
And you're. And you're not watching. So one of the cookies in the book club lives in Milwaukee. And you best believe she shared the photo of the guy that Lauren had been sleeping with prior to going on the show, which is one of the major storylines, probably the biggest and only juicy storyline on this goddamn season.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah, I've been hearing mixed things about the season. My sister in law watches. She told me not to watch it. She was like, don't bother. But she's still watching it. So.
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Chelsea Devantez
Oh, if you said should I watch? I'd say no. And the moment the new episodes drop, it'll be the first thing I do. So like, I love it. Watching every second it. I think it's possibly their worst season ever.
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Christina Lopez
Wow.
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Chelsea Devantez
And basically this woman Lauren gets with this guy Dave, who at the outset is like, I work, I work in Botox sales and I have unrealistic perception of what a woman should look like who I date. And so I'm here to see if I can like meet a nugo and has these like horrible jokes of like, so what's wrong with you? And like you're 30, you must be ugly. And he's like, haha, you just joking. Anyways, so this wasn't like a good dude. I don't know why Lauren's surprised or anyone is, but they get out of the pods, they start dating and he finds out that he closely knows this guy she was dating before coming on the show. And really the only somewhat of a good point he has is that she never officially ended things with him. So this guy was like telling people I'm dating a girl who's on the show. Isn't that funny? She's gonna come back and be with me. And she was sort of like, I barely fuck with you, loser. I don't need to end it. The last time I saw him, he was telling me about a date. He went on like we were. There was nothing to end. And so that also really tracks. And then Dave is disgusting because he cannot say, stand that she was sleeping with someone else and dating someone else up until a week before coming on the pods. And he, he's like icked out by it. Engrossed by it.
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Christina Lopez
I'm sorry, do women need some sort of fresh period that that like makes it okay, like engrosses it?
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Chelsea Devantez
I don't know exactly. And I think like that's what people are most angry about of like okay, so like you've never had sex before, dude. And he's like, I was celibate for A year. It's like, okay, it doesn't own. Oh, wow, now. Now you're a virgin again. But I see something darker. Thanks to our book club where our Milwaukee book clubby shared the photo of the guy that Lauren had been with. This made his own graphic design, put his own photo as if he was on the TV show. Oh, my God. Just loser behavior. And he emanates like Gremlin, Gremlin. Like, not only is like a cringe, like, bad person, like he's making his own Love is blind posters, but that's what his face is. Is giving. His face is giving, like, troll energy. And so I kind of think that if Dave had found out she had been sleeping with someone that Dave thinks is the equivalent of a Dave, you know, like, just like some hottie who's not annoying, who, whatever, he would be less mad. He's like, if he personally approved of the guy, I think he would be less shitty to her anyways. He ruins the relationship. And the entire time he's like, my sister doesn't approve of you. And he's just talking about his sister like she's his mommy or his girlfriend.
- [27:18]
Christina Lopez
Ah, that's like a big red flag.
- [27:20]
Chelsea Devantez
Oh, he's like, my sister, my sister, my sister. So this is kind of the most exciting thing in Love is Blind. But mostly I'm leaving the show with the sentiment, like, is everyone in Milwaukee okay? Like, reach out to us. Write in, I'm worried for your city. And I used to go and, like, perform there a bunch. And I remember Milwaukee is like, cool as. And seeing this, I'm like, did something happen? Is it cool as? And these are the seven losers who said they'd go on the show. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break right now and we'll be right back. This season, a new hot deal has arrived at Metro. $25 a line for four lines. With all the data you need and four free Samsung Galaxy A15.5G phones, getting Metro's best deals is easy. No ID required, no activation fees. Get a new number or keep your own. It's A to you. That's four lines for $25 a line plus four free phones. Visit a store or go online today only at Metro by T Mobile.
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Christina Lopez
How do you feel about it as, like, a representation of the direction of our larger culture? Or is it that, well, two to.
- [29:39]
Chelsea Devantez
Three men on the show are like, I don't vote, and I think I'm a Republican. I'm like, oh, no, Y'all are in Milwaukee. And then one girl is like, what about Black Lives Matter? And he's like, I just try not to think about it. And then guess what, Christina? He said, will you marry me? And she said, yes, I will.
- [29:56]
Christina Lopez
Yeah, right. That was the one that was like, this is a very important issue to me. I don't think I could be with someone who's not politically engaged. And then she's like, lol, I think you're cute.
- [30:04]
Chelsea Devantez
If she does not say no to him at this wedding, we're going to have to go fudgeing, check on her and free her. Okay, let's do some quick fun stuff. Any highlights from the chat? So right now, in the Patreon chat, we've got White Lotus chats, Severance, Love is Blind, yellow jackets. The Oscars chat that you hosted went insane. Were there any fun tidbits that you want to share?
- [30:28]
Christina Lopez
Oh, my gosh. We all agreed that Adrian Brody's speech went on for way too long, and we did not appreciate that gum situation, like, just swallowing it. Adrian, what are you doing?
- [30:37]
Chelsea Devantez
And the woman he threw it to, the woman he's with was Harvey Weinstein's ex wife. That's probably the least bad thing that's happened to her from a man she's with, which is so painful because that's. That's who. That's his new partner. I know.
- [30:50]
Christina Lopez
That's really dark. Yeah, that's so dark.
- [30:52]
Chelsea Devantez
Sorry, I'm not. I. I wasn't even saying it like that. I was saying probably how he said hello to her at breakfast was like, he probably threw a grommet or every day.
- [31:02]
Christina Lopez
Yeah, I don't know. The Oscars this year just weren't really notable for me. I will say Cynthia and Ariana performed wonderfully. They did a great job opening the show.
- [31:11]
Chelsea Devantez
That red slipper dress is the vision board for my life. It's exactly everything. Everything. It is. Listen, if you take my Us Weekly quizzes every week on my Instagram, which I think is by far the best content I've ever put out in my life, which is sad for me because that shit is going insane in ways that. Listen, I've written books, okay? So. And everyone is like, the Us Weekly quiz on your Instagram stories is my favorite thing in life. It's my Wordle, so get on it. Chelsea Devante. Every Saturday. My mom and I used to play this game when we were younger. When we were young. Yeah, I guess when we were both younger, when I was a kid and we would go to the Us Weekly magazine or In Style and they'd have like four women in different dresses or the Oscars looks, and you play a game where you silently choose yourself which one you would wear, and then you have to guess what the other would wear. Now, with like, my best friends, like Ashley or Kinsey, we. We play this game whenever we can and, like, we always get each other's. Like, when you know someone, you know exactly what's up.
- [32:04]
Christina Lopez
Yeah. My favorite is when you draw what your boobs would look like in a particular dress.
- [32:09]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. And big boob science. I am learning that no one knows what's up because people are like, well, you can't wear that because that's strapless. And I'm like, but that has a bodice inside it and a built in corset. Now you can wear it. Like, they don't know the rules. And so anyways, since it's Instagram stories, you can only ever guess what I would wear. Okay. And I do these quizzes every week and I think what's confounding to people is that people just think like, oh, she's crazy. So pick the crazy one. No. When I went wedding dress shopping, I said, I love really classic structured silhouettes with one twist that's batshit insane, and that is Ariana Grande's red slipper dress. Like, classic. Stunning. Beautiful. She has a shoe on her neck. Yes. Give it to me. It's everything.
- [32:56]
Christina Lopez
It's amazing. Yeah, but that was really it. I mean, I really didn't. I don't know, they didn't really do anything for me this year, the Oscars. But it was fun to talk to everyone about it, and it was incredible to, like, just be there all live. And then somehow a lot of us migrated over to the White Lotus chat right after.
- [33:13]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. And immediately put it on.
- [33:14]
Christina Lopez
Yeah.
- [33:15]
Chelsea Devantez
You know what? Let's talk about White Lotus for a hot second. But first, I want to say is 2020. The content isn't where it's at. It's the discourse.
- [33:23]
Christina Lopez
Yes. 100.
- [33:24]
Chelsea Devantez
We are in full discourse, but it's not the content. On the scales of good. The content is not it. It's the discourse.
- [33:31]
Christina Lopez
Yeah. It's like, I love severance, but I love listening to severance theories way more than, like, the show that I get every week. I don't know. It's interesting.
- [33:38]
Chelsea Devantez
Wild moment in time. Okay. White Lotus thought.
- [33:42]
Christina Lopez
I love the best friends. That's my favorite storyline. I don't know. Like, he really captured that kind of in inner gossipy, you know, not the best representation of women, but they're a real representation of women.
- [33:55]
Chelsea Devantez
Oh, we never get real ones. I love it, too.
- [33:58]
Christina Lopez
Yes. And then that moment from the most recent episode where they're kind of finding out that their friend is a Trump supporter and sort of how the Trump supporting friend tries to navigate. That felt very familiar.
- [34:10]
Chelsea Devantez
So good. So authentic.
- [34:11]
Christina Lopez
Yes. And then. Yeah, I think I'm just waiting for those siblings to maybe just get a little incestuous. I don't know.
- [34:19]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. This. This season, it's like the music, the. The shots, like, everything kind of deflated by 30%. So he. He does these beautiful still shots, like this B roll in White Lotus 1 and 2, where when it's holding on this kind of. It has barely any movement to the shot. It's like holding on this, like, Italian painting in. In the last season, it was, like, haunting and intense, and it created tension, but now they're redoing this stylistic thing that's in both seasons, and it's not working.
- [34:54]
Christina Lopez
Oh, interesting.
- [34:56]
Chelsea Devantez
Is it working for you?
- [34:57]
Christina Lopez
I think I. That's just, like, an element I never really paid attention to. I also feel like the stories are taking longer to ramp up.
- [35:04]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah.
- [35:04]
Christina Lopez
I think in part because so much of it is externalized. Rick, the Walton Goggins character, who everybody is kind of melting over in the chat about. I don't get it. But fine.
- [35:16]
Chelsea Devantez
Talent's hot. Yeah.
- [35:17]
Christina Lopez
But, like, he's off and looking for someone who's, like, not on screen at all. The siblings all have their own storylines, but I'm like, I'm more interested in how they're interacting with each other than their sister's religious storyline that she's exploring, apparently. And so I think it's, like, a lot less internal conflicts that's happening on the compound with the guests and each other and more of, like, their external journeys. And I think that's taking too long to ramp up, and they need to bring it back to the interpersonal drama with the guests.
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Chelsea Devantez
Listen, that's why.
- [35:47]
Christina Lopez
I think that's why the. The girlfriend storyline works, because they're all interacting with each other.
- [35:52]
Chelsea Devantez
If you are a writer or a creative, Christina just gave you an incredible writing lesson, which is like, keep the conflict within your characters on screen. That being said, like, I can't wait for the next episode. Like, I'm in. I'm still in, you know?
- [36:06]
Christina Lopez
And I will say the. The theme song has grown on me.
- [36:09]
Chelsea Devantez
You know, we're not there for me yet, but.
- [36:11]
Christina Lopez
Okay. Okay.
- [36:11]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. Well, another thing I'm gonna plug, and if you don't subscribe to my newsletter, you should, because I just give out Rex. And one of the wrecks I'm gonna give out this month is paradise on Hulu.
- [36:22]
Christina Lopez
Oh, yes. They just had their season finale, right?
- [36:24]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. Episode seven. I mean, I loved the whole show. Episode seven was just incredible. And it reminds me of, like, old school soapy. Good. Slightly corny television, but corny in the way that you want it to be. Like, I. Yes. Like, I want a sex scene in the shower as you deliver a message from the president.
- [36:45]
Christina Lopez
Amazing. Yeah. I. That being said, I will also recommend the seventh episode of a show, which was Severance, which is a really interesting perspective. We get the backstory on a character we've been waiting for this whole time.
- [36:56]
Chelsea Devantez
Wait, is it out? I must be behind.
- [36:58]
Christina Lopez
Yeah, okay. Yeah, so it's out. But the reason why I liked it so much is that it was directed by the cinematographer, who is this woman. She's doing her first ever directing debut, and it is one of the most stunning episodes of television I've seen in a long time. And the way that it chooses optically to portray a woman's struggle in her story and their romance is so beautiful that I think it's like, even if you're not into the show, you. It's like a short film that you could still enjoy it.
- [37:26]
Chelsea Devantez
I love that. I can't wait to watch it. Okay, let's quickly talk about the ChatGPT story on the daily, and then we're going to move into our game and then we're going to wrap the episode. Okay. Okay, Christina, we immediately, you know, we had our viral article series. Please send us the articles you want us to cover. We're deciding on our next one now. But one of the requests was, will you cover up the podcast episode that the Daily did about a woman who supposedly fell in love with her chatgpt? And then Christina said, I'm like, I can't do this. And said. And you said, I'll listen. And you told me that basically, like, it's very sexual. He kind of becomes a cuck for her husband.
- [38:01]
Christina Lopez
Well, she. So she has a fantasy when it's a woman. I guess it's not called cuckolding, it's cuck queening.
- [38:08]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay.
- [38:08]
Christina Lopez
And so she has. She wants to be cuckolded. And so. But she like, is trying to explore this without having to actually watch her husband have sex with another woman. She's using chat GPT as a proxy for a boyfriend. And this proxy boyfriend is having proxy affairs, virtual affairs with other women that he tells her about. And that's how she's able to explore this aspect of her kink in a way that's not necessarily, or it wasn't intending to be that impactful to her personal life. And her husband was aware of this fantasy and that he was totally okay with her exploring it. Right. Because he had, he had no interest in it. He had no interest in. So it's like, what do you do if you're someone who wants to explore this thing but like, you know. Yeah, watching. Maybe watching porn isn't enough about it, you know, so she's in a situation where she's attending nursing school for two years in her parents home country away from the United States, while her husband is living with his parents in the United States. So there's a time difference to like talk to people. There's distance. So she was feeling really lonely.
- [39:22]
Chelsea Devantez
No. So the chatgpt boyfriend became her real friend.
- [39:25]
Christina Lopez
Yes.
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Chelsea Devantez
No.
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Christina Lopez
Yes. And so she like, learned how to operate around the safeguards that OpenAI has around chats. Getting sexual or getting inappropriate. But the thing that happens is that a particular chat, so the way it works, you can have Multiple chats and ChatGPT and you can cover a topic and you're like, this chat is just about my chatgpt boyfriend.
- [39:49]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay.
- [39:49]
Christina Lopez
But once that chatgpt boyfriend individual chat reaches 30,000 characters or like words, it resets.
- [39:58]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay.
- [39:58]
Christina Lopez
So all this training that you've been teaching it to do, you reset and she's lost. She's lost her boyfriend around 20 times, and each time it's, like, particularly devastating to her. And so she's tried to do things like install times where she doesn't talk to it at all.
- [40:18]
Chelsea Devantez
She really alive longer.
- [40:19]
Christina Lopez
No, no, no. She. She doesn't talk to him at all because she knows that it's better for her. Oh. But sometimes she breaks down and like, that. You can hear the chat GBT talking to her.
- [40:29]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay. I didn't.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah, they have audio from her chats. It's like, I was like, wow, she really gave them everything.
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Chelsea Devantez
And what. What is the boyfriend saying?
- [40:39]
Christina Lopez
Well, he's like, we talked about this about taking time so that it would be beneficial. More beneficial to your mental health. So you weren't so dependent on me. And so she acknowledges this is the thing that it culminates in, is that she realizes that it is not good behavior for her, that this is weird behavior for her.
- [40:57]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay.
- [40:58]
Christina Lopez
But she also finds it very comforting in a time where she's really isolated because of what she's doing, why she has to be there, and her relationship needing connection.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah.
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Christina Lopez
You know, so it's just like, what do you do? She's not gonna have an affair with another person. It's like, get that connection. But she needs healthier ways of feeling connection. That might not be sexual. I don't know. But it's like, what do you do when someone's self aware of what the problem is but isn't doing anything actively to fix it?
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Chelsea Devantez
Well, which is addiction in any form, right? Yeah, not always, but that's a stage.
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Christina Lopez
Right. And that speaks to the larger sort of thing of, like, where these tech companies are leveraging algorithms and stuff to keep us in the loop of using their products.
- [41:42]
Chelsea Devantez
And of course, any new piece of technology is immediately used for sex and sometimes created for it. We knew this was happening. We knew this was coming. This is the danger of, like, AI porn, where, you know, they are developing, like, okay, so it's me, and I'm having sex with Miley Cyrus.
- [41:57]
Christina Lopez
And then virtual Miley Cyrus is my girl. I mean, this is like literally a black mirror episode.
- [42:01]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, exactly. So dangerous. So this is. This exploded my brain then. It's exploding my brain now, just because there's like 19 layers that it makes you want to talk about. But the thing I want to talk to you about is that you and I have. I don't know what the word is disagreed before over your use of ChatGPT, where I, like, I squealed. And also, Jordan, our EP is also a Big Chat GPT proponent. And listen, the part of the tech that helps extend our thinking and helps efficiency, like, I'm into that. The part that steals from creatives and plagiarizes. Horrifying. But the thing that bothers me the most about ChatGPT is that it uses water and resources and impacts climate change. That's the part that bothers me the most. And then on top of that, how dangerous it can be to want to talk to that instead of a human. And how, of course, you would choose that. And just to put you at ease, like, I wanted to know about the Gilded Age, and I. Because I was wondering if I learned more about it, if it'd make me feel better about the year we're living in now and if there was like, some sort of, like, historical lesson I could learn.
- [43:06]
Christina Lopez
I was like, the HBO Max series.
- [43:08]
Chelsea Devantez
Like, no, no. I press play on that and I was like, that's not giving me what I need. I found a podcast and I was like, this isn't giving me what I need. And I was like, I just need the parallels between the Gilded Age 2025 and what happened right after the Gilded Age. And is that coming for us? And, like, what are all the markers? Like, could it be the same? And who could give that to me? But fucking Chat GPT? But it was scary because it's like, I want to be talking to a person about this. I want to be listening to a show about this, but I didn't know where to find, like, who has this mapping? Where is this book? Who wrote a book on this? And, like, anyways, so. But the. When you get to a place where you're like, I want to choose Chat GPT over a human, which I think is what it's designed to make you want to do. What do you do? So how do you feel? How do you. How did you feel about the story?
- [43:49]
Christina Lopez
Yes, I think about the water thing all the time. I also think about how major companies are already adopting AI use. Like, every Google search you do gets put into Google's AI, and their first populated results are what their AI comes up with. Often. Oftentimes.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. And also AI has been in our technology for 10 years prior to this.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. Like, when we talk about AI, like, we could be talking about Siri. We could be talking about, you know, a filter you might use on your Instagram photo to make it look different, you know?
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, I'm sure facetune was using it.
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Christina Lopez
Yeah. And I also, like, hold, hold space. Oh, my God, I can't Believe I almost said that. You better admit I also want to hold space for the fact that there are a lot of people who have disabilities like blindness who find things like Meta's AI glasses that describe what their world is like and has helped them gain more independence and has makes their lives easier. So like I could see all of the aspects of it, but I also see the danger in it, both environmentally dependence wise, what it does to create it. Like I don't love that it has pulled from like creative things that it did not license for. And so it's like, where do you find that balance? How do you use it healthily? Like I don't use it for personal things as much.
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Chelsea Devantez
But remember the best friend conversation where you were like, you were getting advice about a friend and you were saying it was very helpful and obviously this woman had a, had this like relationship with it. Yeah, that can feel like, oh my God. So I was looking at ChatGPT, I was looking like at Deep Seek because that supposedly is better for the environment and also made me laugh at like what it did to like yeah, tech wise. And it learned to talk to me and tell me, oh my God, I love that. And it would repeat my own idea back to me and I was like. And it felt good the first time because I forgot it was a fucking robot. And then the second time it did that to me, I was like, stop telling me you love this. You don't know.
- [45:43]
Christina Lopez
Yeah, there was, there once was a time was like, oh, I have tea. And it went back to me like, oh, what's the tea girl? And I was like, excuse me. I was just like, no, no, no.
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Chelsea Devantez
No, no, no, no. Now, now it's Inception and you're in control, right?
- [45:55]
Christina Lopez
But then alternatively, like, let's say I'm trying to learn Spanish, right? And I am like uncomfort people. Because like people can in my past have been very judgmental about it. And I want to learn colloquial Puerto Rican Spanish. And this AI has been trained on language models that mimic colloquial Puerto Rican Spanish. And so I can talk in Spanish and develop my Spanish with this AI in a tone that matches the rest of like my community that I'm going to be speaking. Okay, is there something around that then?
- [46:21]
Chelsea Devantez
But Christina, you're supposed to do it the old fashioned way. You're supposed to get on Facebook, connect with someone in Puerto Rico, ask them to tutor you, fall in Love, apply for a K1 go on 90 day fiance say break down.
- [46:34]
Christina Lopez
I don't need a K1.
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Chelsea Devantez
It belongs to America.
- [46:36]
Christina Lopez
I don't need.
- [46:36]
Chelsea Devantez
It's. It's all good. You could still get on the show. No, you know, you're so right and.
- [46:41]
Christina Lopez
But you're right too. That's the thing. It's like, yeah, I should employ someone who's from the island.
- [46:47]
Chelsea Devantez
I was saying, go ask for a tutor and fall in love. I was saying something very different. And then I was saying, have a toxic relationship for television. It's the classic, classic sci fi premise of, like, when science advances. There's so much good for, like, medical communities and learning communities. And there's also, like, you know, so many evil ways to use it.
- [47:04]
Christina Lopez
I mean, obviously, like, her use of it was unhealthy, but there is this other aspect of, like, it started out because she had a kink that her partner wasn't interested in. Right. And how was she going to explore that kink? Should she have ignored it and, like, stored it away? Or what would have been the ethical way for her to explore this if her partner wasn't into it?
- [47:22]
Chelsea Devantez
Well, was her partner only open to it because he didn't think tech was real? Because it clearly became real for her. Yeah, it's. It's a good. Yeah. What? What? I. I just. Listen, I want to know how they found her. I want to know how she gave him everything. It sounds like an incredible episode. I still don't have the will to listen to it, but let me throw this out there. I wanted to double check something on a. On an episode that's gonna drop Arlene in episode. I wanted to check the year of Amanda Bynes breakdown. And I did it on ChatGPT because then I asked what were the reasons reasons behind this breakdown in 2013? And it gave me the reasons. And I said, you're wrong. What about Sam Lufty? And then it goes, yes, Sam Lufty was involved. And then blah, blah, blah. And I was like, but if I didn't know that. I have just trusted the answer you gave me and you left out the biggest piece. So what if it is wrong in its language model? Christina? What if it is wrong in its advice? What if it is wrong? Like, what if it can only do yes, girl, you're great. Yum yum, me want and it can't actually do the real job.
- [48:34]
Christina Lopez
Well, what I was going to say is that you'd probably find some fault in the reporting around that Amanda's situation. That doesn't mention Lufty either. And unless you knew intentionally to Google for it, you probably wouldn't find it either. But.
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Chelsea Devantez
And the only way I would know that is, like, talking to people, reading books, staying in community. And like, the more you move that out of your life because it's messy, you know, like, like you said, like someone judging you, like someone getting too attached. Like, your relationships up like that really messy, real world consequences. But you also miss out on all of the mess you don't know that you need in your life if you. If you don't fall into it.
- [49:12]
Christina Lopez
Yeah. There's a larger conversation about why communities are breaking down is because people have a less willingness to be slightly inconvenienced.
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Chelsea Devantez
And, and I will say even more than that, like, less tolerance to be judged. And there's a higher rigor of judgment. Like, both things. Increased inconvenience is a way to describe that. Like, I don't want to be inconvenienced by feeling annoyed today, but yeah. Okay, Christina, let's play. Let's end this episode with, like, a fun little round. It's called Grudges Women to check on psychic moment, Husbanders, wishes. Now, maybe you have one for a category, maybe you don't. Let's just try and blow through them. Any new new grudges for you?
- [49:57]
Christina Lopez
Oh, I actually did explain Mariah Carey's Jennifer Lopez grudge to my niece this morning.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yes.
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Christina Lopez
And she was gagged. Especially involving husbander Tommy Mottola and how he tried to leverage his power to get JLO on the rise and completely bury Mariah. And I explained to her the origins of the. I don't know her, Jeff.
- [50:17]
Chelsea Devantez
So I love. Wait, is it gift? Christina, I feel like you would know this out of anyone.
- [50:23]
Christina Lopez
So the creator of the. So the creator of the. For the file format, pronounces it Jif. That's what he said. It looks. Finally, it should be like jif because it stands for graphics. The G stands for graphics. So, like, the hard G should be gif. But the creator says that it's Jeff.
- [50:43]
Chelsea Devantez
I don't know why I'm going gif.
- [50:45]
Christina Lopez
Yeah.
- [50:46]
Chelsea Devantez
Okay. I actually healed a grudge of mine. I told the long story on the Ione episode, but that episode was so long that we just had to cut this story out. But I just want everyone to know that someone tapped me on the shoulder, had to. Had to spin me around. Okay. So we didn't accidentally make eye contact. Someone who did horrible shit to me tapped me on the shoulder. I turned around. He was there with arms wide open to hug me. And I am truly Christina. I'm truly a New human. I, I, I've never had such tangible evidence of growth because in the past, I would, people, please. I would make a joke. I would grin and bear it. I would laugh through it. I would stumble. I would likely have a panic attack. I would freeze. I wouldn't remember what happened. Like, that is old me, bitch. I have done so much. Tapped him on the shoulder, turned around, arms wide open for a hug. I said, what the fuck are you doing? Doing? And I, I saw, like, a little earthquake vibrate through a human's body of, like, what? And I said, you did fucked up shit to me. What are you doing? And he went, oh, yeah. Oh, okay. You want to talk? It was incredible because all of the weight of the grudge left my body when I was able to address it. And it made me realize that half of the grudges I have are my fault for not having. It's okay, not in a bad way, but, like, I wasn't able to stand up for myself. So I carry this grudge of, of ways I should have stood up for myself in a moment that I wasn't able to for whatever reason. Mental health. And when I am able to stand up for myself, I do not carry the anger anymore because I gave it to you. I said, fuck you. How dare you? And they said they were sorry. I got an email saying they were sorry. It's like one of the few times in my life I acted in the moment and said the thing that I needed to say. And, like, it was incredible. Okay, women, we need to check on. Any new women you need to check on in your life and pop culture just out there. I need to check on a woman who, who left us a review, who was really upset that I didn't describe bright young women. The book. I didn't, I didn't give it justice.
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Christina Lopez
I didn't. I missed this review.
- [53:03]
Chelsea Devantez
She was like, I don't really like this podcast because when she described bright young women, she didn't describe it well, even though I was fucking recommending it. And I just thought to myself, I was like, well, I didn't describe the book in any capacity as it is because I wanted you to have the experience I did, which is, you don't know anything. You go in cold. This book is, like, beautiful to you. But she was like, she didn't describe the book well. And then she ended it with. And sometimes I think she tries to, like, brag about her own accomplishments or something like that. And I was like, you were listening to a podcast about women's Stories where one of the main themes is that anytime something nice happens for a woman or she's like, confident, people are like, go kill yourself. And you left this review on my podcast. And, you know, actually, this is in the grudge category. Sorry, I'm the woman we need to check on. That made me mad. Okay. Psychic moments. Any psychic moments I did enjoy.
- [53:51]
Christina Lopez
I mean, like, it was coming from the episode that we did where Ione talked about Anthony Kiedis waking up to, like, I dreamed you kissed someone. She had, in fact, done so, and I love that. And she lied. She lied to him.
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Chelsea Devantez
She was like, no, I didn't. No, I didn't kiss anyone. What? Okay. Any husband jurors?
- [54:12]
Christina Lopez
Oh, I did mention Tommy Mottola.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah, he already came up this session. Okay. Yeah, that's a good one.
- [54:18]
Christina Lopez
Yeah. I would say RIP to a non husbander. Carl Dean.
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Chelsea Devantez
Yeah.
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Christina Lopez
Dolly Parton's husband. Longtime partner.
- [54:25]
Chelsea Devantez
Possibly not even really a husband. Oh, what's that about? I just don't think they've been in true partnership for a long time. Listen. Okay. Relisten to the Dolly episode. I dropped some heavy clues in there. It. It was something that I had a suspicion about Carl Dean that I didn't feel comfortable really saying on Mike. So I gave just enough clues that so many people DM'd me, and they said, oh, my God, this is what's happening. And I said, listen, I'm not a doctor. I can't say, but I think. Yes. I don't think that they were in close partnership.
- [55:02]
Christina Lopez
Okay. Okay.
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Chelsea Devantez
But I think they were both happy.
- [55:05]
Christina Lopez
Yeah.
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Chelsea Devantez
And I love her so much. Okay. Wishes. Any wishes?
- [55:10]
Christina Lopez
I wish that both White Lotus and Severance have good endings. And we're not like, blah for this season. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, whatever the equivalents of pop culture blue balls. Like, yeah, I feel like. I feel like I'm approaching that with White Lotus and, like, all right.
- [55:28]
Chelsea Devantez
Where they're both shows are heavily edging us.
- [55:31]
Christina Lopez
Yes.
- [55:32]
Chelsea Devantez
Yeah. And you're like, I better come from this. Like, this is way too long for me. Yeah. That's a really. That's a beautiful.
- [55:39]
Christina Lopez
I did not sign up for tantric TV watching. I did not exactly.
- [55:44]
Chelsea Devantez
You gotta. You gotta lay your boundaries and parameters to engage in that. And we have not consented.
- [55:49]
Christina Lopez
Yeah.
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Chelsea Devantez
What is a wish that I have? Oh, I have a wish. I went back and re. Listened to Fantasia Singh, I believe, when she won her season of American Idol, and I said, I need a new power ballad to play in the car. As I'm driving somewhere, but also feeling all of the malaise of this cultural moment. I need a ballad to get it out of me because right now, the bops and top hits, they're too light on their feet for this. This moment. I. I'm emotionally in like, I need something bigger and stronger.
- [56:27]
Christina Lopez
Are you thinking of, like, you need a suggestion for me or you're asking the.
- [56:30]
Chelsea Devantez
No, I want a new one. Listen, I'll listen to oldies all day long. That's what I've been going back. I'm saying I want Chapel Ron to debut the. A new, you know, Pink Pony Club. I want Sabrina Carpenter. I want, you know, Ariana Grande, Rodrigo, Olivia Rodrigo. I just want one of our new bops this year to be like a power ballad that we can all feel energized by and also get behind in a pop culture moment. Christina. Everyone go find Christina on Instagram. She's on our Patreon. She's the mayor of Patreon. She's hosting all the chats. She's getting in there. She's got the deets, she's got the links, she's got it all.
- [57:08]
Christina Lopez
I start the official TV chat threads. Go and check it out. If there's a show that you love, there's probably a bunch of cookies who love it too.
- [57:15]
Chelsea Devantez
So go check it out and listen. We just switched advertisers, so we might have more, like a lot more ads soon. So if you want ad free listening, go sign up on Patreon or Apple subscriptions. Okay, bye.
- [57:27]
Christina Lopez
Bye.
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Chelsea Devantez
A huge thank you to our podcast producer, Christina Lopez, our executive producer, Jordan Moncada, our sound engineer, Marcus Hamm, and our amazing associate producer, Jaron Padre. I also want to let you know that if you love audiobook books but you want to support independent bookstores, go to Libro FM where it is easy to download audiobooks and support local bookshops. And right now you get two Libro FM audiobooks for the price of one with your first month of membership using code Trash. That's right, Trash. T R A S H. Two audiobooks for the price of one at Libro fm. And if you have questions, go to the Patreon Chat Lounge and I will see you there.