Viral Article Book Club: The Beckham Family Wedding Drama

Summary

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Glamorous Trash: A Celebrity Memoir Podcast

Viral Article Book Club: The Beckham Family Wedding Drama

Host: Chelsea Devantez
Guests: Ginny Donheiser (writer, filmmaker), Nicole Spezio (actress, comedian)
Release Date: January 23, 2026

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Main Theme & Episode Purpose

This episode book-clubs a viral moment: Brooklyn Beckham’s dramatic Instagram post about his famous family and the wedding drama crystallizing the feud between “Brand Beckham” and his new wife, Nicola Peltz. Host Chelsea Devantez, joined by writers and comedians Ginny Donheiser and Nicole Spezio, takes listeners on a deep-dive into the tangled web of pop culture, fame, parenting, and the high-stakes fallout of the Beckham-Peltz wedding—using the Instagram “statement” as their primary text. The episode weaves together media reports, family antics, and guest insights with plenty of humor and empathy for everyone (even the dogs).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Scene: Who’s Who, and Why Now?

• Brooklyn Beckham: Eldest son of David Beckham (football star) and Victoria Beckham (Posh Spice/fashion designer), longtime tabloid fixture.
• Nicola Peltz: Billionaire heiress, actress, from a noted MAGA family (her father is a Disney antagonist).
• The Drama: Ever since Brooklyn and Nicola’s wedding, rumors of feuding, PR wars, and fashion house intrigue have swirled between Nicola and her new in-laws, culminating in Brooklyn’s lengthy Instagram statement.
• Chelsea’s Framing: Alludes to the moment as a “Harry and Meghan” for the Beckhams (13:00), but without the racial/political element—“two very famous British families at war via blind items.”

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Hot Takedown Warm-up: The Ashley Tisdale Mom Group Drama

• Briefly, the group riffs on a celebrity friend-group feud, highlighting the stakes and politics of “mom groups” and how celebrity status complicates them (04:34–08:39).
• Chelsea laments that media coverage infantilizes female groups with "mommy drama" tropes:

  “Anytime you add ‘mom group’ or the word ‘mom’ in front of something, somehow it infantilizes it where it’s like, ‘mommy group drama.’ ...This is friend group drama where the stakes are higher because you have to have conversations about things...” (06:52)

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Dissecting Brooklyn’s Instagram Statement

Reactions to the Post (09:35–10:57)

• Ginny jokes that the post reads like a ChatGPT draft, “We’re a little all over the place... one minute I’m estranged, then my grandmother sat at the table, then Marc Anthony...” (09:35)
• Nicole highlights bombshells on both sides, uncertain where the truth lies amid family “bombs” (10:37).

Narrative Parallels & Power Dynamics

• Harry & Meghan Vibe:

  “This is giving Harry and Meghan. This is giving the British Royal Family has a team of PR working to slander us…” –Chelsea (12:37)

• Nicola’s Family: From MAGA Disney board battles to problematic quotes—Chelsea supplies background for the Peltz clan (13:47).
• Brooklyn’s Career Arc: From failed photography (“That’s my style!”—Brooklyn) to food influencer (“Lobster mac & cheese…2012 called…”—Ginny, 15:36), his shift away from the family brand is noted.

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Is Nicola the Problem—or is It “Toxic Boy Mom” Energy?

• Chelsea questions the trope that Nicola is pulling Brooklyn’s strings, citing mom-son codependency, with supporting "evidence":
  1. Former partner Yolanda Hadid claims Nicola isolated Anwar Hadid (22:54).
  2. Texts from Nicola to wedding planners reveal possible “not-nice” behavior.
  3. History of nannies and hairdressers leaking drama.
  • Still, guest skepticism abounds: “We recreate our traumas, we recreate our toxic dynamics of our parents. …Sounds very Victoria-esque, but I don’t know...” –Ginny (23:37)
  • "If Victoria is a toxic boy mom, no matter who he married, [the wife] was never gonna stand a chance." –Chelsea (24:02)

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Main Drama Points, Step by Step

Family Control & the Beckham Brand

• Brooklyn accuses his parents of “controlling narratives” and pushing PR to slander their choices (25:04).
• Peel back reveals classic “my parents won’t let me live” pathos:

  “I feel like, as the kid, that would be the ultimate—like, you are not your own person. … Your name is not your own.” –Chelsea (29:34)

The Wedding Dress Catastrophe

• Victoria was allegedly making Nicola’s ceremony dress; drama erupts when Nicola may have relegated it to “reception dress” status:

  “[Victoria] thought she was making the ceremony dress... [Nicola] ‘I’ll wear it…as a reception dress.’ Victoria took that as the rudest, bitchiest, worst thing she could have ever said.” –Chelsea (26:09)

• Guest analogy:

  “If your father is a famous chef and you ask him to do appetizers because ‘Guy Fieri’ is doing the main course…” –Chelsea (26:46).

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The Nanny/Nan Table Placement – Is This About Grandma or Symbolic Power? (29:58)

• Brooklyn claims his mother called him “evil” for giving his grandmothers prime seating.
• Panel agrees this is sweet, and parental territorialism at weddings is universal—but the saga is typical of high-drama, high-control dynamics.

The Dance Floor Hostile Takeover (34:31–39:40)

• Brooklyn claims Victoria hijacked his and Nicola’s first dance, with Marc Anthony’s messy help, dancing “very inappropriately” on him in front of 500 guests.
• Multiple accounts (including guest testimony) say the truth is probably less salacious, but feelings were deeply hurt.

  “This is the toxic boy mom pinnacle move, right?” –Nicole (36:11) “I bet his mom just leaned her head on his head…and because it was set up like ‘this is supposed to be the first dance,’ you witch, everything is filtered through that lens.” –Chelsea (37:39)

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Sibling Rivalry & Social Media Exile

• Brooklyn accuses parents of sending his brothers “to attack me on social media” (34:03), which all involved parties deny (everyone says the other did the blocking).
• Discuss: “Why are we handling our family problems via Mark Zuckerberg’s picture app?” –Nicole (34:21)
• The “ex-girlfriend at Dad’s party” saga: Nicola and Brooklyn are upset his brother dates (allegedly) Brooklyn’s ex; Ginny and Chelsea suggest the younger brothers are incentivized to take sides for inheritance and influence.

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Dogs, Press, and Public Image

• Nicola allegedly asked Victoria to help with her dog shelter during LA fires; Victoria declined. The panel feels for the dogs but see this as a minor point veiled in larger family control issues (45:41–47:14).
• Ginny: “Why does Victoria hate dogs? Or she just hates her daughter in law that much that she’s willing to let dogs perish?” (45:44)

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Comparison to Other Celebrity Memoirs

Chelsea notes a pattern: child stars escaping family control by marrying young (Brooke Shields, Tatum O’Neal, Jamie Lynn Spears, Millie Bobby Brown). Guest consensus: it's a classic fame-child move, but usually ends poorly.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On Victoria’s fashion priorities:

  “Victoria’s fashion house is all she cares about…all she cares about is that. I bet Nicola was like, ‘I’m not wearing your dress to the ceremony.’ …Victoria took that as the rudest, bitchiest, worst thing.” –Chelsea (26:09)

• On family power struggles:

  “Brand Beckham comes first. Family love is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything for a family photo op, even if it's at the expense of our professional hot sauce obligations.” –Chelsea (as Brooklyn, satirizing, 45:01)

• On the four-way feud:

  “I think we’re looking at four wackadoos...I don’t think we're going to be like, ‘actually, this one is smart and has a great head on their shoulders’...these are four crazy people.” –Nicole (39:57)

• On wedding family madness:

  “Weddings make people insane…The wedding’s not about you. It is, in fact, about someone knowing their place in your life the way they want it to be.” –Chelsea (30:23)

• On the lesson for future moms:

  “I do have a son, and I am like, ‘Will I be crazy boy mom?’…This is sort of a cautionary tale for me.” –Ginny (55:04)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [04:34–08:39] – Ashley Tisdale mom group drama warm-up
• [09:35] – First reactions to Brooklyn’s Instagram post
• [12:37] – “Harry & Meghan” comparison; British family feuding
• [13:47] – Nicola Peltz background, family’s politics
• [15:36] – Brooklyn’s failed photography & influencer pivot
• [22:41] – “Toxic” boy mom syndrome and the mother-in-law/ wife dynamic
• [24:21] – Family narrative control; ‘brand’ ownership
• [25:04] – Wedding dress drama
• [29:58] – Nanny/nan(ny) seating chart and grandparent issues
• [30:21] – Panel’s own family wedding horror stories
• [34:31–39:40] – The hijacking of the first dance; Marc Anthony’s messy involvement
• [40:30] – Nicola’s rumored role in the family drama escalation
• [44:14] – David and Brooklyn’s birthday dinner standoff
• [45:41–47:14] – The dog shelter side plot
• [52:04–55:00] – Panel’s verdict on “four wackadoos” and predictions

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Conclusion & Predictions

• Panel Verdict:
  • All four (Brooklyn, Nicola, Victoria, David) are complicit; “no one’s living in the truth.” (E: 52:04)
  • Guest prediction: Brooklyn and Nicola will divorce, Brooklyn will reconcile with family, repeat pattern.
  • Chelsea: Ultimately sad—fame, privilege, and power turn otherwise ordinary family grievances into massive, public “wars.”
• Takeaway:
  • The episode’s rich humor and empathy underscore that high drama, while fun to consume, often comes from a place of deep, unhealed wounds and systemic dysfunction—no matter how “glamorous” or “trash” the players involved.
  • Lesson for future generations: Don’t make your child the subject of your memoir & give the grandmas good seats at weddings.

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Click Lit Quiz Results (54:28)

1. Was it well-written?
   Group: "[Unanimous] No."
2. Entertaining?
   Group: "[Unanimous] Yes!"
3. Elevate your thinking?
   Group: "Not really, but stand with the grandmas!"

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Final Thoughts & Guest Info

• Guests: Ginny Donheiser & Nicole Spezio host "How Were You Brainwashed"—interviewing comedians, actors, and creatives about the beliefs they’ve outgrown.
• Chelsea’s dream guest wish: The entire Beckham-Peltz clan.
• Chelsea’s sign-off: “We needed this 30-minute gift of high-stakes drama that hopefully doesn’t matter and doesn’t hurt anyone too much.”

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For links to their show and further discussion, see show notes or join Chelsea’s Patreon “Cookie Chat.”

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Transcript

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[C]

Welcome to Glamorous Trash. This is a podcast that book clubs, viral articles, celebrity memoirs and trashy discourse to elevate your life. I'm your host, Chelsea Montes. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, author, and sometimes I'm in stuff too. And today we're tackling a whole lot of viral articles that come together to create one big viral moment. Breaking down Brooklyn Beckham's Instagram statement slash tome about how he feels about his parents, Posh Spice and David Beckham and the humiliation that happened during the wedding, what's going on with him and his bride Nicola, and the emotional fallout of it all. Plus, somehow Marc Anthony is involved and this is the perfect time to mention that we are going to be doing another dueling memoir episode for Valentine's week. And this year we're going David Beckham, Posh Spice. So this is like your weird appetizer to get ready for Valentine's Day. Now before we dive in, I don't know how y' all are feeling out there in the world, but I know it's tough. I, I really go up and down, really struggling to, you know, do fun things like an episode like this while weighing everything else that's happening. And every time I feel this way and I just feel, you know, the doom just feels so big. I remember that the only antidote that makes you feel better when that happens is to do something and to help. And so even though it's the right thing to do, you know, it is blah, blah, blah, it's also just like to help you not feel isolated and doomed and to take action. So if you are in Minnesota or know someone in Minnesota. The day this episode is coming out is a Friday 23rd January, and there is an economic blackout planned to protest what's happening in ICE and try and economically shut the city down, especially in Minneapolis. And organizers are asking that you do not go to school, do not go to work, and do not buy anything for Friday the 23rd to just try and do something to fight back against ice. If you know someone in Minnesota, make sure to pass the word on to them. Also, if you're not there, there's so many other things you can do and just find the one that feels right for you to fight back against what's happening. You can show up at Home Depot and take shifts standing watch and witnessing. You can call hotlines, you call your senators, tell them not to fund the bills that will keep ICE funded. You can donate food to your local food shelter in la. Feed the Streets is a great program. They deliver groceries right now to families who cannot go to work and cannot attend school because they are specifically afraid of ice. So there's always something. Go to your local library if you feel lost and just start a conversation with the librarian there and see what we can do. Now in the meantime, you got to take brain breaks. You got to stay in the fight. And speaking of fighting, let's get in to the Beckham drama and we'll piece it all together. And here to help me weave this wild web is writer and filmmaker Ginny Donheiser and actress and comedian Nicole Spezio. Together they host the weekly interview podcast. How were you brainwashed? I was just on their podcast. Hi, you both. Thank you so much for being here.

[D]

Hi Chelsea. Thank you for having us.

[E]

Hi, Chelsea.

[C]

This is an honor. Also, are you both wearing denim button ups?

[D]

Unfortunately, we do have one brain at this point, and yes, we are.

[C]

There's nothing I love more than a power couple female friendship duo. And you are that. So thank you for being here. I first asked you to come here because I really wanted to discuss the Ashley Tisdale French mom group extravaganza. Plus, I know it was covered a lot, but I feel like there were a lot of angles that were not actually covered the way I wanted it covered, which is like just how it must have felt to be Mandy Moore on the anniversary of the fires. Realizing that the blog post Ashley Tisdale had written months earlier in November had gotten picked up and ghostwritten on the cut, she had just lost her home a year early. Like, I just want to know what the friend group chat was like. Blank so, yes, it's been covered a bunch. We got to talk about Brooklyn today. But first I want to ask, do you have any, like, hot takes from that whole drama that you didn't see out in the news?

[D]

Basically, I would say if you have not read the Ashley Tisdale article, you have to, because she says nothing in it. Sorry, babe, no truths were revealed. And I think that, like, if a group of women in their 30s or 40s, like, isn't vibing with you, I tend to trust the group of women.

[C]

Yeah, I am with you on that. And I think, like, listen, we all know mean girl groups exist, but in general, if a whole bunch of people have gotten together to set a boundary with your behavior, it's something to look at.

[D]

Yeah, it's probably a you problem, I would say.

[C]

Yeah. Jenny, how about you?

[E]

It's a wild move to take to the blogs, I would say. You know, it makes me feel like we're not being told something else. I would hope something else happened more.

[C]

Than just like, I guess I was stopped and stopped being invited. Who knows why? Anyways, I wrote a blog about it.

[D]

And like, Instagram was showing me the pictures. It's like, well, let's not blame Instagram for doing its job. You know, when they were hanging out without you, it's like, yeah, that's just what happened.

[C]

Also, they knew. They went on a group trip. You weren't invited. They posted themselves in the matching robes. You're not currently wearing that robe. They're wearing the robes together. They posted it. They knew what they were doing.

[E]

It's hard to be famous and be in a mom group and not share about it, I guess. Even when you are purposefully excluding someone who is also famous from that mom group.

[C]

Here's the take I would have spent an hour on, but I feel like friendship groups are so already so complicated and so many things can go on with them when it is a mom group. I really was frustrated with the coverage of this because I feel like anytime you add mom group or the word mom in front of something, somehow it infantilizes it where it's like mommy group drama. And what I want to say is like, this is a group of people discussing and deciding how humans should be. They all are in charge of a human or humans. They're deciding how that human will become a person. That kind of seems like the highest stakes shit to me. It's like, this is friend group drama where the stakes are higher because you have to have conversations about things. You don't always have to Discuss with your friends when you're not moms. And I am not a mom, but if I were a mom, I would have to discuss, like, I don't know, how are we raising these humans to politically be active? And I imagine that would create some trouble on the friendship trips if you are Ashley Tisdale.

[D]

Also, like, just because I am a mom, why do I have to get a whole new group of mom friends? Why can't I still talk to my friends from before who don't have kids? Like, is that okay? Such a good point.

[C]

But also, there's a lot of resource sharing, specifically with that mom friend group. I did look at it and think, oh my gosh, they're all business women celebrities to some degree who entire lives changed by being moms, yet they're still too famous to complain. Ask for a good diaper recommendation on Reddit. Like, they're too famous for that. But they also are going through life adjustments. They probably really did need each other. It was probably something really special and Ashley really fucked it up.

[E]

Absolutely. It's also like, why do we have to be wearing matching robes, though? Like, disagree, disagree.

[C]

I'm sure I would be the. I would be like, I embroidered them all myself. I would be like, and we all have our names on the back. Can you believe? Okay, so thank you for discussing. I still had it within me. I needed to talk a little. Let's move into really the hot subject of the hour, which is Brooklyn Beckham's Instagram post. And really that is go. Normally I read an article. I am going to consider his Instagram slideshow, the text we are exploring today. And while I know this has probably been covered a lot of places by now, we are pulling in some extra special research and facts to really weave this web together. And so in this episode, I will take us piece by piece reading through this Instagram statement, and then we will pull in a million other sources. But before we begin, quick, hot take. Did you see him post? Did you see it somewhere else? You saw this happen? What was your immediate thought, Jenny?

[E]

Oh, I feel like we use ChatGPT unfortunately, but I feel like maybe we could have done a few more revisions. We're a little all over the place. Yeah, I really wanted it to be a little more like high school essay. We've got an intro, we've got some examples, and then we have a thesis at the end. It was a little bit like, I'm estranged from my family. Also my grandmother sat at the table. Also Marc Anthony. And then my name. I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[D]

Where.

[E]

Like, we were very scattered.

[C]

Yes. So do you think he worked with any type of PR or do you think this was just Brooklyn and Nicola on the couch? Plus some chat, GPT grammar checks, sent a print.

[E]

That's what it feels like. But maybe there was at least one other PR related human there, because the language is giving a little bit of that.

[C]

It's giving profesh. Yes. Yeah.

[D]

Tightened.

[C]

Yes. However, I do know he could put it into chatbots. Make me sound professional.

[E]

Exactly.

[C]

And elevated. Nicole, what did you think when you saw the statement?

[D]

Oh, I. I gotta say, there were some tough beats in there, but also in the research, there's some tough beats on the other side too. So. Yeah, I really don't know. I still don't understand what truly caused the rift, if. If it was these things or something else. Or do we know the truth? But there was a lot of bombs dropped.

[C]

We're gonna find out the truth in this episode. I feel confident we're gonna come to some good conclusions once we present the case. Okay, so let me begin by reading the first sentence. So for anyone listening who doesn't perhaps doesn't know, Brooklyn Beckham is David Beckham, famous football player. You know, soccer. Football. And he is David Beckham's son, who he has with Victoria Beckham, who we know as Posh Spice. This is a huge brand family. On this podcast, one photo lives in my brain indefinitely, and I post it all the time, which is David and Victoria at their wedding. And couture. Barney, purple matching suit and dress, and baby Brooklyn in his own little matching purple suit, looking like baby Steve Harvey. And this is how this boy came into the world. Now he has grown up. He is the eldest of their three sons. He had this wedding a few years ago that had, like, drama leaked around it. Like, this has been leaking for so long. And finally, he made this statement on Instagram, the most official place one can go to tell their family they suck balls. And he went there to put it in print, and he did it hours after his younger brother Romeo announced his musical tour. So I do think there is some brotherly competition going on. Now, here's the first sentence. I have been silent for years and made every effort to keep these matters private. Unfortunately, my parents and their team have continued to go to the press, leaving me with no choice but to speak for myself and tell the truth about only some of the lies that have been printed. So let's just pause right there. This is. And I saw this on our Patreon Cookie chat. This is giving. Harry and Meghan. This is giving. The British royal family has a team of PR working to slander us. My wife has had enough and I'm gonna go write a memoir that I'll never come back from. This memoir being six slides on Instagram. Now, of course, there is the racial component with Meghan and the royal family and colonization, all that. That is not a part of this. But I do think two very famous British families at war with each other via blind items. There's something that feels very familiar about that and a son who turns his back on it all to just be extremely candid and write things that of course the family doesn't want him to do.

[D]

Yeah, I think that's a fair right.

[C]

Does that feel like a correct. If the power dynamics of, like a woman coming in who the family clearly doesn't want their son to be with, that woman has her own mind and family, like, she cannot be controlled. She's not Kate. She's not Princess Kate coming in to like, be a good princess. She's coming in with her own thing. Nicola Peltz is from a very MAGA family. Do you guys know Nicola's history?

[E]

No, I. I saw, you know, she was billionaire heiress, but yes. I didn't realize maga.

[C]

Yes. Nicholas. Dad has long tried to get on the board of Disney to fight their quote woke strategy. He has a quote with the Financial Times where he said, why do I have to have a Marvel movie that's all women? Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that? Why can't I have Marvel movies that are both? Why do I need an all black cast? And hopefully he's gotten those answers, but I'm sure he hasn't. So anyways, that's Nicola's dad. She's from super cool family nightmare. But I think the fact that she has billions to fall back on and Brooklyn marries her, I think it gives him power to also say goodbye to his family. Like, he doesn't have to lean on them for wealth. Because also I don't know how else.

[D]

Brooklyn making money, founder of some hot sauce. Is that right?

[C]

That is correct. Founder of hot sauce. Yes. So Brooklyn seems extremely sweet. And for a child who came into the world in the Steve Harvey suit, like, I don't. I feel like all the odds were against him. He's been branded from the beginning. He was born into the press. He has been a little lost is the way it looks to me. Like he was a photographer for a little while. His Photography book was not received well. To the fact that a lot of the photos were blurry, they're out of focus. And Brooklyn was like, that's my style. And photographers were like, you didn't click the camera right. So who knows? Now he's like an Instagram chef God. And if you give his Instagram a scroll, I saw him make lobster Mac and cheese, but I don't know if that plus hot sauce leads to wealth for the rest of your days. And so I do think he wouldn't be able to do this move if Nicola wasn't extremely rich.

[D]

Lobster Mac and cheese. I'm sorry, it's just like 2012 cold. Once it's ditched back. It's crazy.

[E]

Photographer to food influencer is. Is sort of ultimately my husband's life.

[D]

Wow. It really is.

[E]

Your husband's job is trying to be my husband is what it's okay.

[C]

So this is what I've seen on the TikTok, so I think it's true. But really thinking about British families, aside from the Royal family, this is the next most famous talked about family.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And their eldest son, heir to the Beckham estate, became a food influencer. And I think those dynamics are playing into everything that's happening. Like, I think there's competition with his brothers. I think, you know, he was supposed to be a football star and realized like that wasn't going to happen, that his dad's shadow would always be over him. So I think there were already a lot of dynamics leading you to not really trust the family you grew up in. What's your food influencer opinion of all that?

[E]

Just be clear. Former food influencer. But yeah, I mean, to be born into the second most famous family in the uk, I can imagine. And to be surrounded by constant photography, stalking, the death threats, like all of that. Yeah. It sounds like he just wants to be safe and make that lobster Mac and cheese. There's probably some arrested development and a lot of guest men around him.

[C]

Yeah, I kind of. I feel like this is a pattern in a lot of memoirs where child stars like Brooke Shields and I'm thinking of a few others, the way they get out of under control with their family is to get married young and marry someone else who can sort of take that codependency spot in their life. Now, I don't know how this one ends up, but that ended up really poorly for Brooke with Andre Agassi and Tatum o'. Neal. Like usually the marriage you're escaping your controlling family for also ends up being bad. I Am worried that's the case here. Let's read the next sentence. I do not want to reconcile with my family. I'm not being controlled, okay? I'm standing up for myself for the first time in my life. So obviously the narrative is Nicola came in and controlled Brooklyn. Do you guys see truth in that? This is the wife being like, your family sucks. Stand up for me for once. Why are they lying about me? You better put an Instagram post out because you're not standing up for me, your wife.

[D]

I don't. I think that's stupid bullshit. I think that, like, if some man wasn't ever able to stand up to his parents, it's not his wife's problem. That now he finally can, like, leave that lady alone. She just came in and was like, hey, I feel like there's kind of a toxic thing going on. And like, he was like, wow. I could see that. This blaming the woman of, like, I don't like that now.

[C]

Okay, let me throw three pieces of evidence towards you. See, See if your feelings change. Okay? I believe we've got some very toxic boy mom dynamics going on.

[D]

Well, yes, we'll get into that.

[C]

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[A]

Month.

[C]

Okay, welcome back. Let's continue the conversation. Boy moms have different dynamics with their toxic ones when the wifey come in second.

[D]

This is true.

[C]

It is rumored that Yolanda Hadid has reached out to Victoria to say Nicola dated my son who was younger than her and she controlled him. And he stopped speaking to our family when he was in a relationship with Nicola. So I'm here for you, girlfriend. And then third piece of evidence is all of the little tiny things that really live on Reddit need to be fact checked. But it's sort of like, I don't know, the text that Nicola sent her wedding planners, which are real and part of a court case because they sued her where she doesn't seem that nice. And then there's hairdressers, there's former nannies sort of being like, this is true. That being said, toxic boy mobile. So what do we think of that?

[E]

I mean, we recreate our traumas, we recreate our toxic dynamics of our parents. We tend to choose partners that remind us of them. So I'm not surprised that she has this reputation. Sounds very Victoria esque, but I don't know. We trust Yolanda Hadid as a source of information, but especially since it was.

[C]

On the Daily Mail. So, yes, not great. Not great sources.

[D]

Yeah, I'm not looking to Anwar Hadid for what's going on here.

[E]

Sorry.

[C]

And we also know that, like, if you are, let's say Victoria is a toxic boy mom, then no matter who he married, that wife was never gonna stand a chance. And if competition was created on one side, who knows? Let's continue on.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

For my entire life, my parents have controlled narratives in the press about our family. The performative social media posts, family events and inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of the life I was born into. Recently, I've seen with my own eyes the lengths that they'll go through to place countless lies in the media, mostly at the expense of innocent people to preserve their own facade. But I believe the truth always comes out. My parents have been trying endlessly to ruin my relationship since before my wedding. And it hasn't stopped. My mum canceled making Nicola's dress in the 11th hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design, forcing her to urgently find a new dress. All right, what do we think?

[E]

Okay, but I also saw that she wore like a Valentino or something that she worked on for a year or something.

[C]

Yeah, but there were multiple dresses, and there was always going to be a ceremony dress, plus probably like two reception dresses. Plus she wore, like a suit at the after after party, so.

[D]

Okay, well, it seems like she wasn't hurting for dresses. It seems like there were plenty of options. Here's what I think.

[C]

The wedding dress has always been the iconic fashion house statement. Like, it's the piece that would walk last in fashion collections. The bride, not problematic in culture at all. Here's what I think. Victoria was making her a dress, and Valentino was. Victoria thought she was making the ceremony dress for her daughter in law. Victoria's fashion house is all she cares about. She just had the documentary coming out, being like, I was never a singer. I was a fashion legend. All she cares about is that. I bet Nicola was like, I'm not wearing your dress to the ceremony. I'll wear it as one of my reception dresses. I think Victoria took that as the rudest, bitchiest, worst thing she could have ever said to her. Withdrew the dress completely, and Nicola pulled in a different reception dress.

[D]

I think that's probably right. But, like, I'm not rich enough to understand why we're bad about it. Like, you know, it's just like, there's lots of dresses, you know, you wear this one or that one.

[C]

Who?

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

Okay, how about this? Your father is a famous chef. We're just gonna say he's a famous chef and he does a lot of catering events. And he's like, nicole, I'm gonna make the food at your wedding. And your husband says, like, oh, my God, we'd love that. Can you actually do the after party food? Because I'm getting Guy Fieri to, I don't know, food references. I'm getting who's a chef?

[D]

No, no, we're sticking with Guy Fieri.

[C]

Guy Fieri is doing the first plating, but then you can do, like, the appetizers. Your father can do the appetizers at the end. I think that's. And the dad's like, this is a disrespect. This is rude. This is saying my brand sucks. This is you claiming power. Like, how dare you not want me to be the main food.

[D]

That does help me understand more. I do see where you're coming from now.

[C]

That's what I think happened Also because the dresses were probably in competition with each other. Valentino and Posh Spice's dress. I know it's Victoria. Victoria Beckham's dress. I'm sure they were in competition as they were being made. And Nicola not liking the dress at one of the fittings probably caused a huge rupture. Again, Victoria's entire documentary that just came out is about her fashion house and trying to prove herself into the space. Okay, let's go back into it. There's so much more. Weeks before our big day, my parents repeatedly pressured and attempted to bribe me into signing away the rights to my name, which would have affected me, my wife, and our future children. They were adamant on me signing before my wedding date because then the terms of the deal would be initiated. My holdout affected the payday, and they have never treated me the same since. During the wedding planning, my mom even went so far as to call me evil because Nicola and I chose to include my nanny, Sandra and Nicola's. Now this is N A U in an I. So nanny and Nunny Nani, Nanny and nonnie at our table because they both didn't have their husbands. Both of our parents had their own tables equally adjacent to ours. So this is the writing Ginny is talking about where, like, we're really focused on the signing away of the Beckham brand. Then she called him evil because he had. And just to be clear, these are their grandparents and not a nanny.

[E]

I thought it was a nanny, but grandma makes way more sense. Yes.

[D]

Yeah, grandmas.

[C]

Yes. Right. Okay, so let's deal with the first thing. Him signing away the rights to the Beckham brand name.

[D]

So what does that mean? That if he has Beckham children, if he has Carl Beckham in the future, they can't release Carl Beckham tumblers.

[C]

Yeah. Or like Carl Beckham's clothing line would ultimately be owned by the Beckham estate.

[D]

And not get a piece of it.

[C]

And that, like Nicola and him couldn't do the Carl Beckham, you know, masked singer show or something. Uh huh. And also I'm sure this was in whatever prenups they were both signing. And I'm sure they were signing a bunch of legal stuff. And yeah, now his name is Brooklyn Peltz Beckham. So I imagine they were pressuring him because they built this brand together over the past. I mean, since the 90s, David and Victoria have been building this brand. I think they're extremely protective of it and I bet they did want to continue to own it.

[D]

And I guess if the family that you're marrying into is a billionaire family. Like, then what are the Beckhams? All they have to, like, protect is their name.

[C]

Right. And their billions of dollars they have now. Yeah, but also, I feel like, as the kid, that would be the ultimate. Like, you are not your own person. You're not a human being of your own. Your name is not your own. What you want to create doesn't matter. That does feel extremely controlling. Okay, on to the grandmas at the table. What do we think? Good move. Bad move. Did he cross the line?

[E]

I think it's nice. It's, like, also your wedding. This is what I'm hung up on in, like, obviously I'm not a huge celebrity, but, like, when you get married, it's about you. It's not about your parents. It's not about anyone else. It's supposed to be about you. If you want to have Nani and nanny sit at your table. Suck it. Have Nani and nanny sit at your table and wear Valentino.

[C]

I don't know.

[E]

It's crazy.

[D]

I got.

[E]

They're so used to controlling everything.

[C]

Yes. I think weddings make people insane. Like, I've witnessed the craziest far outside of money and celebrity weddings, like, weddings turn everyone insane. And even though I have a very lovely family, some crazy happened where, guess what? The wedding's not about you. It is, in fact, about someone knowing their place in your life the way they want it to be. And I feel like one. I think it's so rude to be that way. And who gives a fuck? And, like, why can't grandmas sit at the table? It's not like Nicola's family was at the table and not his. Like, get over it. That being said, I see parents go insane for far less at weddings. I got the wrong magnet in my giveaway bag. Did you not love me as a parent? Like. Like, people go nuts. So I can see how this happened.

[D]

To get mad about Grandma's is bad. Bad.

[C]

It is bad. Yeah.

[E]

Widowed grandmas.

[C]

Come on.

[E]

I know she called him evil for that.

[C]

Well, okay, now here's my counter evidence. Nicola and her father have been sued by one of the wedding planners they fired. They all sued each other, okay, for breach of contract. And all in all, she had three wedding planners. So kind of think of, like, how you're acting and being. If you've gone through three wedding planners. They paid 160,000 ish deposit to one of their wedding planners. And then later they settled and made a donation in the name of Nicola and Brooklyn to the care Ukraine crisis fund. So. So that's how that case ended. But as it happened, you know, a bunch of text messages were outed in the court case and became public. If I was the wedding planner, I would quit the business if a bride was texting me like that. They were the rudest, weirdest shit was being text. The second set of wedding planners were only on how many days do you think they were on the job for before they fired them?

[E]

14.

[C]

Nicole?

[D]

13.

[C]

9.

[E]

9.

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8.

[C]

And I bet two of those days were a weekend. So they brought wedding planners on, they were like, plan the wedding. And nine days later they were like, you're fired. And a lot of the wedding drama was like Nicola texting them like, you got the RSVP list wrong. Like, I'm sick of dealing with you. So I do think, like, who's sitting where probably was one of the most important things of the night.

[E]

Obviously it was meant to slight her. Does she hate her family?

[C]

Yes, that must be it. I need to know if. If nanny is David's mom or Pasha's mom.

[E]

I think I looked that. It's David's mom.

[C]

Oh yeah. So. So now she's enacting her own feelings towards her mother in law onto her daughter in law. This is when it really gets good. When she starts passing down the trauma that she endured. Okay. The night before our wedding, members of my family told me that Nicola was. Was quote, not blood. Which.

[D]

Thank God.

[E]

Yeah, she shouldn't be.

[C]

Thank God.

[D]

Thank God.

[C]

Nice. Good. And quote, not family. Okay, well, yeah. Since the moment I started standing up for myself with my family, I've received endless attacks from my parents, both publicly and privately, that were sent to the press on their orders. Even my brothers were sent to attack me on social media before they ultimately blocked me out of nowhere this last summer. Now this is. Everyone has come to the table to say, no, he blocked us. So they're like, brooklyn blocked us. And Brooklyn's like, no, they blocked me. What do we think?

[D]

I think we've lost the plot when we're blocking family members. That's so dark sided. Blocking brothers I guess is one thing. Blocking your own children. I don't know. Why are we handling our family problems via Mark Zuckerberg's picture apparently.

[C]

Exactly. It's gonna get worse. Okay, scared now. I don't know how this isn't its own new paragraph. I do really have a lot of trouble with the writing. Like you said, Jenny, this is pretty egregious.

[E]

Come on.

[C]

My mom hijacked my first dance with My wife, which had been planned weeks in advance, to a romantic love song. What was that love song? Why didn't he name that song? In front of our 500 wedding guests, Mark Anthony called me to the stage where the schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife. But instead, my mom was waiting to dance with me instead. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I've never felt more uncomfortable, humiliated in my entire life. We wanted to renew our vows so we could create new memories of our wedding day that bring us joy and happiness, not anxiety and embarrassment. Now, to add a couple of details to this, it was already leaked years ago after the wedding, that Marc Anthony may have said, I now want to welcome to the stage the most beautiful woman in the room, Victoria Beckham.

[D]

Not the bride, however messy Mark Anthony.

[C]

Messy Marc Anthony also. I mean, like, you dirty dog. Why are you doing this bidding? And then the other thing that has been said, actually, by some guests is that they did see the couple do a romantic dance. And it was to can't help falling in love, which is also better known as fool's Russian. However, I bet a lot of PR cover up came out as soon as the wedding happened, where they said lots of nice things that weren't true. But there are counter accounts. Let's get into it, you guys. The mom hijacks the first dance and maybe gyrates on her son.

[D]

This is the toxic boy mom like, pinnacle move, right? This is the worst thing that could occur is a mom getting down on her son on his wedding day. What the fuck do we think that this happened?

[E]

Why would he make this up?

[C]

I was gonna say, I do think this happened to an extent, because there are 500 witnesses.

[D]

Sure, sure.

[C]

So just. It can just so easily be debunked. Someone does have the wedding footage. I'm sure it's Brooke Lynn and Nicola. So I feel like if they had. If they knew they could release it if they really wanted to, which is probably a card they're holding in terms of, like, try and say something, and we will give the Internet a gift forever. But I bet his mom just, like, leaned her head on his head and, like, danced close and was like, my baby. And because it was set up like this is supposed to be the first dance, you witch. Everything is filtered through that lens. That's what I think. Can you see it? Can you see any mom? I mean, yes, we can. But can you see Victoria Beckham doing this? Like, Mark, say my name. I will come from the wings and I will Steal the first dance.

[E]

It's so creepy. It's so weird. I love that Mark Anthony was like, okay, whatever you want, Beach.

[C]

Or maybe he was just, like, drinking tequila and is like, what's next on the schedule? Like, he didn't know the first thing Dance. Now, if it is a Marc Anthony song, what song did. What song was supposed to be the first dance? Like, I'm actually deeply concerned. Okay. They wanted to have a first dance to a Marc Anthony song. Only because I don't see this as their vibe. Like, they read very, like, Coachella. We're gonna dance to a Justin Bieber song. And we know the song that they dance to was Marc Anthony's I Need to Know. And I just think that is such an odd song for a romantic dance, maybe. Listen, I know he's known for his romantic songs. Maybe that's fine. But I want you to. We're gonna play the song, and I want you to picture both him and his wife and him and his mom dancing to this song. We'll play it right now. Okay. Here's what's also crazy, and it's not crazy at all. I hate when couples dance to the song Can't Help Falling in Love or Fools Rush in when it was not a shotgun wedding. Wise men say only fools Rush, and it's supposed to be because you had a whirlwind romance. They were engaged a sensible amount of years. It's just. It's one of those go to wedding songs where I feel like the couple doesn't care what the lyrics say.

[D]

It bothers you that the narrative doesn't make lyrical sense.

[C]

Yeah, you're right. This is actually a me problem. It's a really popular song. I love it. There was a moment where I was like, oh, I want to dance to that song. And I listened to it, and I was like, this makes no sense. We've been together for years. Okay, so obviously the Internet has gone wild posting videos of what they think it looked like. AI has really come in to create a lot of Victoria dancing on Brooklyn videos that are really disturbing. It is said that Nicola fled the room and cried and cried and cried. I think the other reason we know this happened, and also that they give a fuck enough, is that they really did have a second wedding three years after the first wedding, which is, yeah, not enough time to renew your vows. His family wasn't invited. She then got to do more wedding dresses.

[E]

Oh, God, these poor planners.

[C]

Exactly. They redid their wedding, which to me is like, either the wedding was that bad and you really do want to have something special for yourself. However, since you also posted that one on Instagram, I think we're all cuckoo. Can you imagine?

[D]

I think that where we're gonna land is that we're looking at four wackadoos. Like, I don't think. Think we're gonna be like, no, actually, this one is smart and has a great head on their shoulder. Like, I think these are four crazy people.

[C]

And there's just so many more on the sidelines. Okay, let's continue. My wife has been consistently disrespected by my family. No matter how hard we've tried to come together as one, my mom has repeatedly invited women from my past into our lives in ways that were clearly intended to make us both uncomfortable. So do you guys know what he's referencing here?

[D]

The brother dating the girl that he dated. Is that.

[C]

Yeah. So the woman's name is Kim Turnbull. She actually has denied she dated Brooklyn. According to a transcript of Instagram stories from horrible source the Daily Mail, Many outlets actually cite her as Brooklyn's ex, even though she's like, no. She posted in her stories, like, no, I didn't date him anyways. However, she is now possibly dating one of his brothers and that they went to David's birthday party. Party.

[D]

Yeah. Why are we getting mad at mommy for that?

[C]

Yeah, I think it's like, why is your brother dating your rumored ex? Like, this is messy in between the brothers, and I think the disrespect is like, nicola's my wife. Please don't have my ex girlfriend there. I also hear Nicola being, like, your fucking ex girlfriend. I bet you want to see her, don't you? And he's like, no, no. I swear, Like, I hear a lot of toxicity coming in to this moment. Do you think the younger brothers are trying to oust the eldest? Like, he. He's the one who this whole thing should be passed on to. Do you think they're trying to, like, one up their older brother and, like, push him out of the way?

[D]

They're trying to succession him.

[E]

Yeah. I'm sorry.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

I mean, yes. But also, it feels like whatever narrative Victoria is spinning has worked on those boys.

[C]

But also I think it would work if they realize if they play into it, the eldest list is gone and they take the throne. That would be a reason to want to really stand by your parents and believe what they're saying.

[D]

I think that there is something, and don't ask me how I know this about the one mom and sort of all sons and husband family dynamic where all the men become the babies and they are all really infantilized. And so, like, I don't even know if those brothers know what's going on. I don't think it's that nefarious that they're trying to like get their brother out.

[C]

Well, yeah, I mean, listen, everybody will succession when given the chance. If you're like, hey, usury, compete for this crown and my love and only one of you can have it, I think you just immediately start successioning. I will also say that Nicola has given a quote to the press that Brooke Lynn was supposed to be in her directorial feature and she had to cut him because he only had one line. That line was high and he kept looking directly into camera and she was laughing about this. But then I spent some time on his Instagram and it's really clear that like, Brooklyn is not the like, brand piece. Victoria and David probably desired their son to be like, he is too sweet and soft. He's striking the camera when he says hi in his wife's room. So it's like, we're really not gonna be able to like sell the clothing line. You know what I mean? So I bet there's a lot of like pressure and disappointment on both sides too, in terms of like life trajectory. And it sounds like Nicola wants to go toe to toe with Victoria. I think. I don't know. Okay, let's continue. Despite you guys, there's so much more. Despite this, we still traveled to London for my dad's birthday and we were rejected for a week. As we waited in our hotel room trying to plan quality time with him. He refused all of our attempts unless it was at his big birthday dinner with a hundred guests and cameras in every corner. When he finally agreed to see me, it was under the condition that Nicola wasn't invited. And it was a slap in the face. Later, when my family traveled to la, they refused to see me at all. This is the event. This is the event where his brother brought Brooklyn's ex girlfriend to the event. And I believe they were like, we're not going to attend unless you disinvite her. And then they wouldn't disinvite her. And then that was the slap in the face. What do you think of this? Should David see him alone? Like, what does it mean to say I'll meet with you but you can't bring Nicola? Is that an okay ask?

[D]

It could be a one off thing that's like, hey, I would like to see you just like human to human family to Family. I want to see your wife too, at other events, but it would be really nice if we could just have this one lunch together. I don't think that's that terrible.

[C]

I am on David's side. If your family thinks your new partner is controlling you, one of the worst things you can do is refuse to talk to them without your partner present. Like, go talk to them. Yeah. Be a human on your own with the family you've grown up with. Have the conversations you need to have. This kind of says to me that Nicola didn't like, why can't you see your family members alone when you have flown there to be there for your dad's birthday? So I'm team David on that one. Yeah.

[E]

It's giving cult. Trying to get him out of the cult.

[C]

It is. It's like, are they gonna do an intervention? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. My family values public promotion and endorsement above all else. Brand Beckham comes first. Family love is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything to show up and post for a family photo op, even if it's at the expense of our professional hot sauce obligations. Okay, I added hot sauce. That was not in there. It was just professional obligations. We've gone out of our way for years to show up and support at every fashion show, every party, and every press activity to show, quote, our perfect family. But the one time my wife asked for my mom's support to save displaced dogs during the LA fires, my mom refused.

[D]

This is a tough sentence.

[C]

I think which part's getting you the most?

[D]

Okay, what. What did Nicola ask Victoria to do with the dogs? Is at first not clear. Make a donation, make a post. And why does Victoria hate dogs? Or she just hates her daughter in law that much that she's willing to let dogs perish?

[C]

Now, as someone who drove into the fire evacuation zone to adopt a dog literally one year ago, I'm really with Nicola here, really with the displaced dogs. Now Nicola is in the entertainment industry and an actress, but she did start this dog shelter. That being said, the dog shelter runs on donations at least to some part. In the comments they're always like, why doesn't your billionaire father pay for these dogs? Now this shelter account has argued with in the comments quite a few times. So like you can go will link to them where it's like the shelter is being like, why won't you help a dog? And then like commenter like bebop boop bop is like your father is a billionaire. Why can't Nicola Feed these dogs. And so I really feel for the dogs at the center of this mess. And I bet she asked Victoria to post, donate and try and fundraise. And Victoria said no because she hates her. I don't think she hates the dogs. I think she hates her.

[E]

Yeah, I'm sure she was like, can you share this Instagram story? And she was like, no. Come on, Victoria, Victoria, Victoria.

[C]

Reshare the shelter and little pups. Just do it for the dogs. Yeah. Now that says we're really leaning on the dogs. Like, we're really pulling sympathy card here. I think most of this paragraph is about fashion shows and parties. Then that's really what we should remember. Okay. The narrative that my wife controls me is completely backwards. I have been controlled by my parents for most of my life. I grew up with overwhelming anxiety. For the first time in my life since stepping away from my family, that anxiety has disappeared. I wake up every morning grateful for the life I chose, and I have found peace in life. My relief. Yeah, I think he was controlled by his family. And I think you get out via marriage sometimes. He said in the press he always knew he wanted to get married young.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

What do you think of that?

[D]

I think that is very telling. I feel like that's like very Kylie Jenner having a baby quite young, too. Of like, I never got to be in control of my own life. Decisions were made for me this whole time. I want to be adult, and to me, adult is being married.

[C]

It's Jamie Lynn Spears. It's Solange Knowles, like, starting families young and like taking control of your life. It's Millie Bobby Brown. Like, I do think we see this a lot. And yeah, he said that statement, which was a separate statement of. And then I met Nicola and I knew I wanted to marry her. He always wanted to get married young and have something of his own. My wife and I do not want a life shaped by image, press, or manipulation. All right, that's hilarious.

[E]

He says on Instagram story, he says.

[D]

Cutting up his lobster and putting in the green air.

[C]

Like, you are both extremely social media heavy. Your careers are in entertainment, and you could have sent this through a cease and desist via the lawyers. So you very much do want a life shaped by press because you're really upset how the press has shaped your narrative via your family. Then he said, all we want is peace, privacy and happiness for us and our future family. Is someone pregnant? Future family?

[D]

She's got to be at some point. It sounds like if she's not already, that's Why?

[C]

I was like, is this why this post came out? Why are we clocking that?

[E]

What led up to this? Do we know?

[C]

Oh, yeah. So much. It's been boiling since the actual wedding. And obviously before then, I don't think they approved of his choice. And then obviously all of the dynamics in the wedding. You also have the parents on her side. There's probably like a huge, massive power war going on. Let me throw some other details at you, and then we will come to our conclusion. Okay. Brooklyn and Nicola were first linked together in 2019. Leaving whose Halloween party? Big celebrity. Who do you think it was?

[D]

Heidi Klum.

[C]

Nope. Good guess. Millie.

[E]

Bobby Brown.

[C]

Guys, haven't you been listening to the story? It's Leonardo DiCaprio. Of course. Scary.

[D]

Talk about scary.

[C]

Now, Nicola and Brooke Lynn have done an interview saying they first met each other as teenagers because they're in the Nepo billionaire world and they hated each other. They did not get along. He ha ha ha, romance novel, enemies to lovers. They then get together. They're official in 2020, which is the pandemic where you're noticeably separate from your family in quarantine. That's probably a pretty intense time. And he was with Nicola's family. Who? Another guest. Where do you think she lives? Her family lives. Now, really think of where billionaires get the best, most yummy taxes. It's obviously Florida. It's Florida. I was like, speech, Florida, of course. And here's how I know this, because that's where Celine Dion moved. And she literally was like, for the taxes. She's in Vegas now. Now Brooklyn said, I knew after three months I wanted to marry her. And then they get to the wedding. TMZ has reported the wedding footage will never get out and that everyone was under strict NDA to not, like, post anything. And the last detail, I will say, is that here are some things Victoria wrote in her memoir about Brooklyn. Now, the memoir was published in 2001, so Brooklyn was 22 months old. As for Brooklyn, what can I say except that every day he gives me a sense of real worth and real values. And Brooklyn, when you're old enough to read this book, you'll see that Mummy and Daddy were really famous once. And then she wrote something very weird in the book. She's like, there was advice from the astrologer. Brooklyn was Piscean, and we were going to have trouble keeping him under control due to the position of Mars. The predictions weren't far off. Brooklyn wasn't an easy baby. This is her logic that she's Raising him with. She also said that she always knew that he could end up a footballer so he needed to have a name that could be like a footballer's name again. Such tough pressure and expectations to be born into. So those are just some insights to bring into it. I want to come to a conclusion here. If you were to give your final ruling on what hath gone down here and what you predict for the future, what would you say?

[E]

I tend to lean towards Nicole's four whackadoos. Looking at each other. I don't know if anyone's living in the truth and it all runs very deep and it's sad ultimately I hope that, that they reconcile in some way. But yeah, if she's pregnant it's only gonna get worse from here I imagine.

[C]

Yeah. What do you think Nicole?

[D]

I mean I think that it really is sad to hear him say like my parents have come for me. Like I kind of think as parents that's sort of a rule is that you should never publicly come for your children. So that would make me really upset too if I was him. I think the dog thing is pretty damning. I would like to hear maybe more from Jen. Just David Beckham himself. I feel like I got the other three and where we're at with them pretty well. But I, I'm not totally sure if I could touch down in reality with David Beckham. So I, I would be interested to hear more. And what I think is going to happen is that they'll get divorced Nicola and Brooklyn and then like he'll kind of reunite with the family and then date some other controlling lady and then fall out again. That's what I think.

[C]

Juicy. Okay. I have to say I think Brooklyn is a lover boy. He's obsessed with. Obsessed with Nicola and I really see probably a want his entire life to be his own person has like finally manifested in this marriage and this war. Because I gotta be honest, I do hear Nicola in this statement. There's so much crazy shit happens between mother in laws and daughters that to have two people raised in the disgusting, putrid, horrid world of social media paparazzi and, and Republican billionaires they don't have to care about how much groceries cost so they can spend their entire life being mad at the seating chart and this is just their purpose. And yeah I ultimately feel really sad. Cause I do see like I feel really sad that this would happen. And also it makes complete sense that it all happened around a wedding as the greatest rifts happen now we usually do the click lit quiz, which seems like a joke to do now, but we'll do it anyway. Quickly. First question is, was the article well written? On the count of three. One, two, three. And no, no. And if that was chat GPT, just more evidence. You guys should not be using that. And AI is shitty and like, please use your brains or like a friend who took an English class. Now, second question, was it entertaining to read?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yes, yes, yes.

[C]

This best book I read all week was those six slides. And I do think we as a world needed a gift of 30 minutes to just go live in some high stakes drama of stuff that hopefully doesn't matter and doesn't hurt anyone too much. We needed this. Final question. Did reading this piece elevate your thinking on the subject in any way?

[E]

I can't say so.

[D]

Can't. Yeah, I can't say that it did. I. I do say publicly that I stand with the grandmas. I stand with them getting a good spot at the wedding, but nothing else.

[C]

I don't think you stand with Nanny and Nana.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And Jenny, you're a full.

[E]

No, I do have a son and I am like, will I be crazy boy mom?

[C]

I hope not.

[E]

This is sort of a cautionary tale for me.

[C]

Yeah. And as the mother of two boy dogs, if I were to stage their wedding in the future and they chose, I mean, an influencer actress I didn't approve of, I'm trying to think of, like, I know I would be livid and I know I would go to great lengths to stop it if I thought my child was entering a relationship that was really going to harm them. I also know I would never do that shit at a wedding. And I do really hate when people make the wedding about themselves and not about the couple uniting, which I think happens at, oh, I don't know, every wedding.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Now, Nicole, Jenny, you host a podcast called how are you brainwashed? Please tell everyone about it where they can listen to you, find you, follow you, enjoy everything you can listen to.

[D]

How are you brainwashed? Wherever you get your podcast past, Jenny and I have usually a different guest on each week, usually comedians, actors, authors. And we ask them how they were brainwashed, what did they used to think was real, and when they got older, they sort of looked at it a different way and came out the other side. And we've gotten a wide range of answers, so lots of episodes for you to listen to. You can follow us on Instagram at. How were you brainwashed? Pod. The U is, is the letter U to indicate that it's not a serious podcast but instead a fun one.

[C]

And you know who I would love for you guys to book as guests on that podcast?

[B]

Who?

[C]

Nicola, Brooklyn, Victoria and David.

[E]

I think they need to be asked. Incredible.

[C]

Incredible. Thank you both so much for coming on. This was such a pleasure.

[D]

Thank you for having us.

[E]

Thank you Chelsea.

[C]

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