Celebrating Aging in a Youth-Obsessed Beauty Industry With Julee Wilson

Summary

Gloss Angeles Podcast Summary

Episode: Celebrating Aging in a Youth-Obsessed Beauty Industry With Julee Wilson

Date: March 3, 2026
Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Guest: Julee Wilson (Today Show, Editor, Beauty Expert)

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes influential beauty editor Julee Wilson for a candid, joyful, and deeply insightful discussion about aging in the beauty industry, representation, product obsessions, professional journeys, and the complex cultural narratives around age and beauty. The hosts and guest dig into how beauty professionals are navigating a youth-dominated industry, what “anti-aging” and “longevity” messaging mean (and how they land differently across communities), and celebrate the value, expertise, and power of women in their 40s and beyond.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Julee’s Experience on Michelle Obama’s Podcast

[03:05 - 06:26]

• How Julee Got Involved: Received a mysterious, brief, confidential email—initially suspecting it was a scam—inviting her to chat with Michelle Obama on her podcast.
• Preparation & The Day: Full of emotion, overwhelmed, crying in public from gratitude and nerves. Brought her sister as an assistant.
• On Meeting Michelle: “She’s just everything that you would think...so kind...She walked in and said, ‘Hi Julie’...She’s like, call me Michelle. And I was like, that’s kind of crazy.” (Julee Wilson, 05:37)
• On Industry Sisterhood: Shout out to the beauty editor “blueprint” and mutual respect among seasoned journalists.

2. Current Beauty Product Favorites & Routines

[06:32 - 10:21]

• Julie’s Go-To Products:
  • Elemis Pro Collagen Cleansing Balm (“Every day.” – 07:02)
  • Clean Skin Club cloths: “It’s just more gentle. It's clean.” – 07:30
  • Shark Beauty CryoGlow: “I like the aging one and I like the skin clearing one...I will do like three or four [cycles].” – 07:53
• Tool Consistency: The struggle (especially with beauty devices) and praise for Dr. Dennis Gross LED Mask and the Lima laser for visible improvement.
• Trending Ingredients: Manuka honey products, e.g., Activist (“...literally straight Manuka honey. I put it on my face at least two to three times a week and it's really made a difference.” – 15:24)

3. Navigating Beauty, Time, and Spending

[16:25 - 18:57]

• Julie on Spending: “Thankfully, I don’t have to spend much money because [products] gets sent to me...But it’s mostly smaller brands or Black-owned brands. I spend stand 10 toes down on making sure Black and brown, like, brands and founders are celebrated.” (Julie Wilson, 16:33)
• Testing Routine: Constantly AB testing—different mascaras, moisturizers, etc. “I’ll moisturize half of my body with one moisturizer and another with another...I’m AB testing all day.” (17:26)

4. Press Trips and Beauty Industry Friendships

[19:03 - 21:17]

• Industry Adventures: Recounting memorable press trips—Amsterdam, helicoptering to an Icelandic glacier, fancy Paris events (“I’ve not done any of these things with my husband!” – 19:51).
• On Beauty Community Bonds: Real friendships form over these shared professional (and glamorous) experiences.

5. Supermodels, Wellness, and Brand Messaging

[22:10 - 25:04]

• Gisele Bündchen for Garnier: Shift from younger spokespeople (Becky G) to Gisele, with the brand pivoting to wellness and a more mature demographic.
• Industry Worries: “Wellness...tends to lean super conservative. Everything is ‘toxic’ if it’s not clean and white...A little worried about that.” (Sarah, 23:49)
• Longevity vs. Anti-aging: "Longevity feels weird because we don’t have longevity in this life. We will die." (Sarah, 24:41)

6. Aging Narratives – Anti-aging, Longevity, and Cultural Differences

[25:12 - 28:17]

• Black Community’s Take: “We don’t fear age in a way...Black don’t crack. It cracks later and it gets saggy and all of those things, but we don’t fear it...Aging is the goal.” (Julie Wilson, 27:04)
• Role Models: In Black beauty, muses are often older (“You don’t hear our white counterparts being like, ‘Helen Mirren is my muse.’” – 26:06)
• Resisting Ageism: "No, you will see me. Our generation is like, you will not forget us. We're fabulous. We're not going anywhere." (Julie Wilson, 27:29)

7. Language Around Aging in Beauty

[27:44 - 28:22]

• Preferred Terms: Hosts prefer “maintenance” and “prevention”; dislike “pro-aging,” “longevity,” and “mature.”
• On Procedures: “I don’t knock any of these deep plane facelifts...But let's all just calm the fuck down.” (Julie Wilson, 28:18)

8. Visibility & Power of Experienced Beauty Editors

[29:03 - 33:35]

• Owning Age: Julee openly shares her age (mid-40s) on public platforms—pushing back on industry pressure to hide it.
• Demanding Representation: Calls for experienced beauty editors to serve on paid boards of big brands: “We are the true anthropologists that know your brand...If you have 15 people on your board, why aren't at least two or three seats given to people like us?” (Julie Wilson, 32:21)

9. Pat McGrath Labs’ Business Struggles

[33:47 - 41:15]

• Brand Update: The brand has been through bankruptcy and ownership changes; there's concern and hope for its future.
• New Innovations: Excitement about a new liner/lipstick launch from Pat herself (“She’s still out here innovating...her formulations are going to slap.” – 36:06)
• Recent Stumbles: Criticism of odd partnerships (e.g., Candy Crush) and unclear strategy. Hosts want strong business guidance so Pat can remain a visionary.

10. Luxury Beauty and Product Pricing

[41:05 - 43:26]

• Louis Vuitton x Pat McGrath Lipstick: An example of ultra-high price ($160), prompting discussion on value and status in luxury beauty.
• Beauty Archivist: Julee admits she keeps “untouched” beauty products as part of her personal archive, possibly for future generations or posterity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Representation in Aging:
  “Aging is the goal. Do I want to die? It’s a privilege. I want to get old. I want to be old and playing with my grandkids...I want us to celebrate it instead of being like, ‘I guess I got to wrap it up now. I’m not relevant.’ No, you will see me.”
  – Julee Wilson (27:04)

• On Inherited Power and Boards:
  “If you have 15 people on your board, why aren't at least two or three seats given to people like us?...We are the true anthropologists that know your brand. They can’t tell you what the future of mascara is going to be. We can.”
  – Julee Wilson (32:21)

• On Professional Validation & Confidence:
  “If you think I’m washed up now, I know more about beauty, about the industry, about how to tell a story than I did 10, 15, 20 years ago. To think about us being over now...I’m at my peak. This is when you want me.”
  – Julee Wilson (30:18)

• On Press Trips:
  "We have helicoptered to the top of a glacier in Iceland together, and we have stayed at the Ritz together in Paris. Like, I’ve not done any of these things with my husband!”
  – Julee Wilson (19:50)

• On Testing and Job Realities:
  “I walk around with one mascara on one eye and another on the other...I’ll moisturize half of my body with one moisturizer, another with another. I’m AB testing all day.”
  – Julee Wilson (17:26)

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Key Timestamps

• [03:05] – Julee tells the Michelle Obama outreach story
• [05:37] – First impressions of Michelle & bringing her sister
• [06:32] – “What’s on your face?” discussion
• [10:21] – Product tool talk and device struggles
• [16:33] – How much time & money Julee spends on beauty
• [19:13] – Most memorable press trips
• [22:10] – Gisele Bündchen as Garnier ambassador & brands' shifting focus
• [25:12] – Language around anti-aging, longevity, and pro-aging in different cultures
• [29:03] – Julee on aging publicly, representation, and campaign experiences
• [32:21] – Experienced editors on corporate boards
• [33:47] – Pat McGrath Labs bankruptcy, business update & product innovation
• [41:05] – Pat McGrath Labs x Louis Vuitton, luxury pricing discourse

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Flow and Tone

The episode is a dynamic, honest, and laughter-filled conversation between longtime industry friends. The camaraderie is evident, and the overall tone is celebratory, wise, and occasionally irreverent—especially regarding industry jargon, trends, and the pressures of aging. Storytelling and transparency prevail, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at both the business and emotional sides of being veteran beauty editors.

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Conclusion

This episode is an essential listen for anyone interested in the intersection of beauty, culture, representation, and the realities (and rewards) of aging in an industry dominated by youth. It highlights the importance of diversity in age, race, and perspective while championing the enduring influence and expertise of women over 40 in shaping beauty’s future.

Transcript

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[Kirby]

G l a m los angeles hi, kirby.

[Sarah]

Hi, sarah. Welcome to los angeles. Julie Wilson, she is on the pod. Julie Wilson. We think she's really hot. Julie Wilson. I don't believe you. You're not the truth. No one could look as good as you.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Sarah]

There we go.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, my God.

[Sarah]

Clip it and then have it be your voice. I literally thought about this in bed last night. I was like, julie Wilson, how do we intro the creative genus that just warms my heart?

[Julie Wilson]

Creative stylings of Kirby Johnson. Because I love y' all so much and I respect y' all so much. And so to get an original esque song.

[Sarah]

A cover.

[Julie Wilson]

A cover with my name in it. Listen, I feel very special.

[Sarah]

It is the least I could do to have you here. Julie, welcome to Los Angeles.

[Julie Wilson]

Thanks.

[Kirby]

So thrilled to have you.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm so excited.

[Kirby]

So we know you're busy bouncing around doing the today job.

[Julie Wilson]

All the jobs.

[Kirby]

Hanging out with Michelle Obama, you know.

[Julie Wilson]

Thanks for shouting out the podcast.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

With Michelle. That was so nice of you guys.

[Sarah]

We're thrilled. So, viewers, if you're looking at this, it's clearly a new set. We are in New York on location.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

At acast, our network. ACAST actually came to us and said Michelle Obama has this podcast coming out. They asked us if y' all would be open to supporting it. We were like, hell, yes. And then they were like, pick an episode to support. And we're going through the descriptions and we're like, julie Wilson, Yeah.

[Kirby]

I was like, shut up. Of course, though, y' All I know.

[Sarah]

Can you talk to us about this? So how did you get involved in her podcast?

[Julie Wilson]

They slid into my Gmail. Y', all, like, just. I was on vacation. You know, I go up to Martha's Vineyard. We have a family home up there. And I really disconnect. I do not, like, look at my phone. I try not to do any emails. All the things. I looked at my phone and was like, confidential, like, email. And I was like, let me read this. And I really thought it was a scam. It was like three sentences. It was like, would you be interested in doing this? Would I be interested? Of course. But I was like, this is not real. And then I started researching the person who sent it to me and was like, no, this is real and the rest is history. October 1st, went down to DC, did the interview, thought I was going to, like, die.

[Kirby]

No, tell me, like, night before. Are you.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, I'm crying. I went down to D.C. a day before. I walked around the city just to, like, be down there. I took the train down there and I'm crazy. I cried like eight times. I'm in the store, I'm in a coffee shop. I'm walking around the street because I'm so nervous. I'm so excited. I'm so grateful. And I'm sure people were like, oh, poor girl. She's probably going through a breakup. Because I'm just, like, walking around the town crying. Cause I was just so overcome with emotion that this was gonna happen. And also being like, julie, get it together. You have to, like, go in there and be, you know, the badass journalist that you are. And I blacked out. And we had a two hour conversation.

[Kirby]

Two hours.

[Julie Wilson]

You had met her prior, like, very, like, quick, briefly. When I worked at Essence, she spoke at Essence Festival. And they had us all in a room, the whole staff, and they were like, we're gonna bring her in for a picture. And so, like, she came in for a picture and they were like, don't. We're not doing individual chatting. But I, like, risked my life and my career because after the picture was taken, I was like, Mrs. Obama, thank you so much. Like, love you. Can I have a hug? And they told us distinctly not to do that. And I was like, fire me.

[Kirby]

She remembered you, though, right?

[Julie Wilson]

I don't think she remembered me, but enough. So also, Yanae Damtu, who is her hairstylist, also has seen my work and that sort of thing. So I think when the conversation came up about who's going to do the conversation about black Hair. It was kind of like, okay, Julie Wilson. Like, and so I am forever, like, grateful and changed.

[Sarah]

She knows you now.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, she was like, we're locked in. We're family. I'm like, don't play games with me. I will show up at your home on Martha's Vineyard. Please make the snipers stand down.

[Kirby]

I'm sure that she would have a seat for you at the table.

[Sarah]

What does she like?

[Kirby]

What does she smell like? What's her aura?

[Julie Wilson]

She's just, like, everything that you would think that she would be. She's just so kind. She walked in the room, she's like, hi, Julie. And I'm like, huh? She was like, call me. I was like, Mrs. Obama. She's like, call me Michelle. And I was like, that's kind of crazy. And she was like, only if it makes you feel comfortable. If you're uncomfortable with it. I was like, I will call you Michelle for the conversation because I want us to sound familiar with each other, but, like, it's wild. And I brought my sister as my assistant, so my sister got to meet her, and it was just like, very. It was a very special moment. I feel very blessed, but I'm also feel very blessed to be here with you guys. Cause, like, we have known each other for many years, and I respect y' all so much. I was just talking to Kayla Greaves about the fact that, like, us beauty editors, like, our in this together and trying to figure out our next chapters and, like, what we're doing, and you guys are such an inspiration and blueprint for that.

[Sarah]

Oh, thank you.

[Kirby]

I mean, we are crushing it. You are everywhere.

[Julie Wilson]

We have to be everywhere.

[Kirby]

Listeners want to know what is on your face, Julie Wilson. What are you obsessed with right now?

[Julie Wilson]

So I obviously listen to the podcast, and I know that you ask this question all the time, and it's so makeup centric. And I'm not like a makeup girly. I'm really more like a skin. Skincare girly. So, like, something I put on my face literally every single day. And, you know, we have to change up our products all the time because we're professional guinea pigs. One thing I do not, like, mess around with is my Elemis Pro collagen cleansing balm. Every day.

[Kirby]

Every day.

[Julie Wilson]

Every day.

[Sarah]

This is an OG staple.

[Julie Wilson]

It is.

[Kirby]

It is in that little.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah, yeah. It's in the jar. I go. I mean, like, that is something I double cleanse sometimes only single cleanse with that. But if I'm, like, testing other cleansers and that sort of thing. It depends. But I love that product. I use my clean. What is it? Clean Face Skin. The cloths?

[Sarah]

Yeah, like the makeup.

[Julie Wilson]

The makeup eraser thing. The cloths.

[Sarah]

Like, oh, the cleansing cloths.

[Julie Wilson]

The cleansing cloths. What are they? Like, Clean Skin Club.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, yes. Oh, I feel like that has changed. Instead of using, like, the towel that you wipe, like, your hands off with or your mouth off with, it's just more gentle. It's more gentle. It's clean. It's, you know, so I use that. I use my cryoglow. Shark Beauty cryoglow. I use that every day.

[Kirby]

Every day.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm not. I don't. There could be some days that I skip, but, like, what's your setting?

[Kirby]

Which one?

[Julie Wilson]

I'm like, oh, I like the aging one.

[Kirby]

Okay, me too.

[Julie Wilson]

And I like the skin clearing one. And I'm like a double. Like, I will do like three or four. The battery life isn't great on it, but I will do three or four of them. It's not like, oh, I do the six or eight minutes and I'm done. Do you use that yet?

[Sarah]

I have not tried it yet. I have it. I just. It's sitting in a box. I have it. It's really. For tools. We talk a lot about this on the podcast, is you have to be consistent with it. And tools are very difficult for me because it often takes taking time out of whatever you're doing to actually apply it and do it. The only thing I've been semi consistent with over the past year has been the Lima laser. I'll lay in bed and just, like, stick that thing on my face, like, over and over again on, like, hyperpigmentation spots and stuff like that.

[Kirby]

And you're seeing a difference.

[Sarah]

I see it in, like, my melasma, which has been really nice, and my under eye, surprisingly so. And it's not, like, an immediate thing. I don't go the next morning and, like, I'm Giselle or whatever. But, like, I have noticed over the last six months that I'm like, oh, my under eyes look, like, a little less creepy than they did like, a couple of months ago. So, again, like, the consistency there. I know there's so much drama around that particular device. Like, there's infighting in the beauty industry, specifically with publicists, like, fighting about whether it's actually real. Because they're like, it's a laser. And then it's like, but how do you keep the laser from literally burning a hole through your face? And they're like, well, because we designed it to make sure it doesn't do that.

[Kirby]

But then it's like, supposedly penetrates very

[Sarah]

deep, but then they're like, but how is that possible if you're actually like, there's so, like. There's infighting. It's like the cosmetic chemist and the dermatologist. It's like the publicists are, like, in fighting about this. There's like, a whole story about it on. I think this is a fashion. I can't remember what public. I think, like, Brendan Kilbane wrote a story about it. It's hilarious.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, I love the cryoglow one because it's like, you're not tethered. Like, you're walking around. I do dishes with it. I can, like.

[Kirby]

I literally put it on, and then I'm like, checking my emails and then it's done.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah. I don't have to move a device around my face. I don't have to put any gel on. I literally wash my face for whatever reason.

[Sarah]

When you said crowd cryoglow, I thought of the new Hydra.

[Kirby]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Julie Wilson]

The mask.

[Sarah]

I still haven't tried that one either. I know. I'm on.

[Julie Wilson]

Is it still in the box?

[Narrator/Advertiser]

It is.

[Sarah]

It is. I love my. I know I'm a crazy person.

[Julie Wilson]

It's okay.

[Sarah]

We get along for my DDG. Yeah. I mean, the Dr. Dennis Gross mask is like.

[Julie Wilson]

I know, I know.

[Kirby]

That's.

[Julie Wilson]

I just freaking love that.

[Kirby]

I love the cooling part.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, the cooling. The cryo of it all is so great. Although I do wish I had the light on my under eyes because, yeah, my. I've got, like, bags, dark circles, and all of that. So anyway, I love that product. As far as beauty, I'm like a Danessa Myricks girly. I still have my Amicole.

[Sarah]

Like, you know, it's still in Sephora. I went to a Sephora in L. A, and they still have it. Like, they're still, like, restocking what they have. So if you haven't gotten your amicole, go to Sephora and see if they still carry it.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm excited to see what she does at Skims Beauty.

[Sarah]

Me too.

[Kirby]

You know what?

[Julie Wilson]

Bringing her brilliance there 100%.

[Sarah]

I think it was the smartest thing they could have done. I know that there is conversation around Kim in general and, you know, the black community. I think that Giada is the only

[Kirby]

person for that job.

[Julie Wilson]

Yes. It wouldn't have been my ideal. I would have rather seen him write a check to keep Ami Kole on shelves. However, my thing is I think Giada is so brilliant and what she did with her brand, I am excited for the abundance and ease of that she will have to create there.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I agree.

[Julie Wilson]

Like before it's like, oh my God, I have to like raise $2 million in order to bring these next products to life. Whereas now she gets like this blowtorch and this amazing bank account to be like, go do it. Whatever you want to dream up.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

Make it happen.

[Sarah]

This sets her up for generational wealth, in my opinion.

[Julie Wilson]

You know, like her beautiful family. Like, yes. I want you to have money in the bank and I want you to have that abundance and ease to make your dreams come true.

[Sarah]

Because this is going to be. Obviously she has proof of concept with Ami Collet, but being able to take on something and work with someone like Emma Greed. And also Kim, you know, for whatever you think of her, she runs successful businesses.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

So I feel like this is setting her up for a massive success.

[Julie Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Sarah]

And I'm really excited. I am a skims Stan, so I'm glad that it's like now moving under the skims umbrella. And since skims is solution oriented. Yes. I'm really curious what solutions skims beauty is going to provide people.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, that's an interesting perspective. Yeah.

[Sarah]

I think that's the way they have to go if they're going to make it to something different.

[Kirby]

It'll be like skincare infused makeup.

[Sarah]

I think that if they are smart and they, they have Giada. So I'm. And Emma obviously. So I think they are. And also Kim is on the pulse of like what people want with skims. You know, Spanx existed, so did so many other solution problems oriented body brands.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

But for her, she was like, okay, the neutral tones that actually match her skin tone and then different styles that you're not seeing.

[Julie Wilson]

Right. The one legged one. So you have the high slit, like genius. And was like, why wasn't anyone doing that?

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Sarah]

Totally. And even like the bras, like how low they can go, like the plunges and then also like really encapsulating loungewear. Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

And the fabrications, the different ones, I love the skims like satin, like that, like satin stretch, stretch, satin on. So good.

[Kirby]

And everyone always, everyone looks so good in everything.

[Sarah]

But I feel like for skims beauty in terms of solutions they should take, you know, Kim's in her 40s, so it's like this can't be like a Gen Z brand. It needs to feel elevated. It needs to feel like it's for us a And B, I think about how we're seeing so many lip stains and how satu. With the peel offs, like, really made it. So I know people are like, that peel off lip stain is for children. Like, whatever. I use it every single day because I'm losing pigment in my vermillion border. So as we get older, like, I mean, as a white girl, I'm losing the pigment in my lips, so my lips are looking smaller. I use it to make my lips look larger without having to keep reapplying lip liner every day. Same thing with the kulfi liners. Like, that stain really helps me.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And so I'm like. But I do feel like there's a lack of neutral skin tones that actually match my lips in that regard.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I would love to see them.

[Julie Wilson]

I feel like Jada's gonna do all that.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And I do like your point of, you know, obviously Kylie Cosmetics exists. Yeah. And that is for a younger demographic. It would be amazing to see Kim kind of focus on the millennial women. The women her age.

[Julie Wilson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

And cater to us.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm in that demo foundation that is

[Sarah]

skin care looking like that. It cosmetics balm that we love. Stuff like that. Totally.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Okay. Anything else you want to shout out? Any brand that you're just loving that's not even beauty related that you want to wax poetic about or your hair.

[Julie Wilson]

Know who I'm. Oh, man, my hair. I love.

[Kirby]

Who does your hair.

[Julie Wilson]

Doing Dickie from Hair Rolls. Okay. So I see him every two weeks if I'm. If my hair is not in a protective style. He's been doing my hair for over a decade. And so I love him. He, like, really teaches me how to, like, take care of it. The health of hair, not just the look of it. I'm actually going to a super secret, like, event later today with Sacred Beyonce's brand, which I think is really good. One of those, like, celebrity brands is

[Sarah]

actually, like, their sleep scrub is my favorite.

[Julie Wilson]

So good. And the hair oil iconic.

[Sarah]

I haven't tried that one.

[Julie Wilson]

Iconic hair oil. And her restorative hair mask is amazing. But so I'm excited about that. I'm also back to a new brand that I really love is activist. Have you seen this? The Manuka honey. Like, now she's like, I wanna say her name. Is it Meredith? She used to be an editor. I haven't dug deep enough to know, like, if our paths had crossed. But their home got destroyed in the fires. They moved to Australia and now they're doing this whole Manuka Honey. Her and her husband and her two kids are like doing this Manuka honey line. And like it's literally straight Manuka honey. And I put it on my face at least two to three times a week and it's really made a difference.

[Sarah]

Activist I feel it.

[Kirby]

Activist I feel like I've been seeing Manuka honey pop up a lot as an ingredient.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, Flamingo States just did a whole line with Manuka Honey. Like it's like really healing powers.

[Kirby]

Anua. It's like in a yellow box. Yes, in the yellow, yellow box Honey as well.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

Really good. I've been using their balm on my hands, which is really nice. I'm into my Manuka Honey like era.

[Sarah]

We love this for you. Yes. I have a question. How much time and how much money do you think you spend a month on beauty?

[Julie Wilson]

Well, thankfully I don't have to spend much money because it gets sent to me. Although I always think it's fascinating for people like us who get sent a lot of products, what things we would actually spend money on. And I have spent money on things because I feel like I should like lean into buying things. But it's mostly smaller brands or black owned brands. You know, I spent stand 10 toes down on making sure black and brown, like brands and founders are celebrated in this industry. But I don't spend a lot of time like I am. I do have two boys and so. And they do a lot of roughhousing and stuff. So I let my husband do that and then I go back into the bedroom and like put on an old movie or like Sex and the City reruns and like indulge in all my products.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

So I guess that's a lot of time spent doing it. But that's our job. Right? Like I am a person who walks around with one mascara on one eye and another on the other.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

I will moisturize my body with one moist half of my body with one moisturizer and another with another. So I can test totally. Like this is what we do. I'll put one purple eyeshadow on one eye and another purple. So the naked eye, you don't. It doesn't look off to you. But for me I'm ab testing all day. So like, I guess it's spend a lot of time doing it. But I don't spend a lot of money. Thank God.

[Kirby]

Yeah, we're very fortunate. There are like treatments that I'm like, I have to do regularly so I am willing to spend it. Like my nails. I Get it done every two weeks. My lashes I have to do, and I get into my head and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I can't believe that I'm, like, spending so much time having to, like, manage my calendar with all of the things I gotta get my hair done.

[Julie Wilson]

But it's our jobs. But it's our jobs, so it doesn't feel, like, extra vain and weird.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm like, no, it's my job to go to my hairdresser every two weeks and to get my nails done and to do this and to do that. And it's really nice that we can indulge in some of these products that, like, I would be dying to try. Like, 111 skin has this, like, facelift, this duo exosome, like, facelift product out right now, and it's like $850, and I really love it. But, like, I would never be able to buy that. Like, I just wouldn't. And so, like, I feel super blessed that I get to try these things. I'm putting Augustina's, Bauter, and La Mer on my face all the time. Who can do that? Or eighth day, right? Like, there's their eighth day. The night cream. I use that almost every night because I can, thankfully. Cause of my job.

[Kirby]

Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to testing it. And you might include it in a story or a segment, you know, Again, it is part of your job.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Wait, I have a question.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

You have been on some of the most fabulous press trips.

[Julie Wilson]

Oh, my God.

[Kirby]

Like, we've been on some together. Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

We were just in Amsterdam. Us.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God.

[Julie Wilson]

Like, last year.

[Kirby]

Shout out.

[Julie Wilson]

Bloom effects.

[Sarah]

Shout out.

[Kirby]

Thank you, Kim. What is like, one trip that is maybe like, the most memorable? Your favorite trip?

[Julie Wilson]

I have many. I think, again, we are super blessed that we get to see the world. It's so funny because I was just talking to Hannah from Marie Claire, and we were just on this amazing trip to Paris, which is probably. With Dove, was probably the best trip ever. And I'm like, we've been to Amsterdam together. We have helicoptered to the top of a glacier in Iceland together, and we have stayed at the Ritz together in Paris. Like, I've not done any of these things with my husband.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Julie Wilson]

It's like, we literally, like you. We have been tiptoeing through the tulips together, the three of us. I've never been to Amsterdam with my husband. None of these. I've never been to Paris with my husband, and I'm doing these things with these people in the industry. So it's so funny because we have. We're not only, like, professionally close. Like, we also have, like, real friendships, and we have real conversations about our lives on these trips. So I think that they're so beautiful. But I was just in Paris, like, staying up the Ritz with Dove.

[Sarah]

What were y' all doing?

[Julie Wilson]

We were. They have a collaboration with Bridgerton, which is out right now. The products are actually really good. If you guys are fragrance girlies out there, go smell these fragrances that they created for fragrances with, like, Bridgerton in mind. And we went to the world premiere.

[Kirby]

It looked so fabulous.

[Sarah]

Fab.

[Julie Wilson]

So we got to see the first episode before the world did. And, like, it was so cool. We got dressed up. It was fancy, and we got to go to the Louise Carmen journal making studio, which, like, it was so funny because I'm like, I've literally helicoptered to the top of a glacier in Iceland, and I would do this journal making again before I did that. Not the fact that that wasn't great, but, like, we're writers. We're storytellers. So. I love paper. I love writing on paper. I literally write all of my articles, even, like, cover stories. I hand write it out, and then truly, really. And then I transfer it to the computer.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Julie Wilson]

I just think better. Like, my thoughts come out better handwriting them.

[Sarah]

I wish I had that filling. Patience.

[Kirby]

There was some study that said, like, handwriting is going to keep us from losing our minds, like, prevent dementia and Alzheimer's. But you think about it, and you're like, oh, my God, if we're all writing on our phones and on our computers, like, when's the last time you actually picked up pen to paper? So you're gonna outlive us all.

[Julie Wilson]

I love a handwritten note. I keep all handwritten notes.

[Sarah]

Same.

[Julie Wilson]

I just have piles of them from people. And I hope that when I write handwritten notes to people, they save them.

[Sarah]

Yes. Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

RTA always sends, like, a great gift every year with, like, the personalized name. That is, like, my favorite holiday gift.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I prefer writing in a planner versus putting stuff on my phone.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It just helps me remember.

[Julie Wilson]

And it feels real.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Julie Wilson]

Like a real life.

[Kirby]

My to do list. It has to be written.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

So I can strike it out.

[Sarah]

Totally. Yeah. Same. I will mark through. Okay, let's get into some news. There's not a ton of news this week in the beauty world, but there are a few things that caught our eye. So today it was announced that Gisele Bundchen is the new Garnier ambassador. An ambassador of all ambassadors, if you will. I think the last ambassador was Becky G. Yes. And now they have gone a very different direction with Gisele, obviously an older spokeswoman, and they are really focused on wellness.

[Julie Wilson]

But as you know, wellness is very

[Narrator/Advertiser]

important to me, and so is everything I sign.

[Julie Wilson]

That's why I brought my lawyer Larry

[Narrator/Advertiser]

here, and he'll be reading over the contract.

[Sarah]

Julie, did you see the spot that they put out?

[Julie Wilson]

I did. It was funny. Like, look, it's like, us coded, like, as far as, like, industry people and beauty people, but also, like, leaning into some of, like, the humor and, like, also the wellness trends of, like, Gen Z and, like, where we are right now. I think it's interesting also to go back to, like, the supermodel era.

[Kirby]

Right?

[Julie Wilson]

Like, supermodels are back.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And also, we haven't really seen her in the spotlight. We've been seeing her ex husband a lot.

[Julie Wilson]

Right.

[Kirby]

But she looks incredible.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, she doesn't look. She looks the same.

[Kirby]

She looks exactly the same.

[Julie Wilson]

But again, that's why she's, like. She's, like, signing these, like, contracts.

[Kirby]

Longevity queen.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But I'm curious what this actually means for Garnier in the fact that they are focused on this wellness. Like, what does that mean in terms of hair care?

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Part of me is a little worried. I do think wellness tends to lean. Super Maha. Super conservative. Super. Everything is toxic. Everything's poisoning you. If it's not pure, clean white, it is bad. So I do have reservations about that. At the same time, we all engage in wellness, and as we've mentioned many times on this podcast because it's our job. So, you know, I don't want to go, like, full tilt in the wrong direction. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said longevity. I think that this is, by them casting Gisele, it's kind of repositioning the brand. Not for Gen Z, not for the Becky G's, not for maybe, you know, like, a younger audience, but recalibrating, getting back in touch with millennials. Millennial women, for sure. And reminding us, like, even though we're getting older, we're still like, a core demographic that they're trying to reach. And then the longevity aspect. Julie, I'm sure you. Your inbox is just as full as ours of longevity. This longevity that I also am very worried. Yes. Like, those were longevity. I almost truly. And maybe this is controversial. Would prefer you just to say anti aging. It's literally, longevity feels weird because we don't have longevity in this life. We will die.

[Julie Wilson]

But are you guys, like, fans of anti aging? The actual, like, phrase?

[Sarah]

I would prefer anti aging over mature.

[Julie Wilson]

I hate, for sure. I hate this whole what about pro aging? It's hard, like, in the black community. So I wrote a big. One of the first stories features I did for Cosmo was how in the black community, we don't, like, fear age in a way. Like, I remember when Allure back. I mean, how many years ago said, we're not gonna do anti aging. We're not using that word anymore. And the executive editor at the time called me, and I was at Essence, and they were like, you guys should, like, jump on the bandwagon. We're doing this. Like, whatever. And I'm like, I don't know when the last time I, like, typed that. Like, that's not a concern for us. One like, black don't crack.

[Sarah]

We know it cracks.

[Julie Wilson]

It cracks later, and it gets saggy and all of those things, but we don't feel fear. It, like, if you ask a black woman who her, like, beauty muses are, they're usually older than them.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

It's like Trey Sales Ross, her mama, Grace Jones. Like, all of these people. Like, you don't hear our white counterparts being, like, Helen Mirren and, like, you know, Meryl Streep, like, all of those things. Like, they're so focused on youth. It's like, I want to look younger. I want to look younger. And I'm like, I just keep getting better. I see the aging in me, but I also see the beauty in it. Like, I'm like, I love how beautifully I'm aging. And it's not this, like, oh, my God. I see this new fine line. Like, how do I get rid of this fast?

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

I wonder, though, is it because, you know, going back to black don't crack. Is it because you guys age really well?

[Julie Wilson]

That is definitely part of it. Don't get me wrong. Like, I do feel like the melanin, the magic of our melanin definitely helps the situation. But I also think that there is this spiritual internal thing, too, that we're just, like, we can't fight it. Like, honestly, like, aging is the goal.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

Like, do I want to die? It's a privilege. I want to get old. I want to be old and playing with my grandkids or, like, doing whatever. And so you can't really fight it too much. And I just want us to get past the ageist stuff. And I want us to, like, celebrate it instead of being like, well, I guess I got to wrap it up now. I'm not relevant. No one's going to think I'm beautiful. I'm not part of the conversation.

[Sarah]

It is hard.

[Julie Wilson]

Like, no, you will see me. I think our generation, too, is like, you will not forget us. You will see us. We're fabulous. We're not going anywhere. And, like, we're not going anywhere.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I think I. I look to, like, a lot of prevention. Preventative.

[Julie Wilson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Or like, maintenance.

[Julie Wilson]

I like that.

[Kirby]

Maintenance that I'm okay with. I feel like I look at those products. I look to those products more.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Pro aging doesn't feel. I don't like that for some reason.

[Sarah]

I don't like pro aging. I don't like longevity.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I literally hate when somebody describes someone as, like, mature.

[Julie Wilson]

I don't. Like, that's, like, it just feels weird. Weird. And again, we're in beauty. Like, I. And I don't knock any. These, like, deep plain facelifts. Don't get me wrong, that might not be off the menu for me at some point. Like, I'm not against that at all.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Totally.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm just like, let's all just calm the fuck down.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

Didn't Cheryl Wishover just start a new substack?

[Sarah]

Yes. It's called good for your age.

[Julie Wilson]

But she.

[Sarah]

I really love it because she's like, if you read it a certain way, it could be read as good for your rage. Oh. And so she's.

[Julie Wilson]

I kind of love that too.

[Sarah]

Yes. And so she's taking it and essentially flipping the compliment of, oh, you look so good for your age. To be like, there's no backhanded compliments here. We're gonna talk about aging in a way that is in your face and real versus this. Because it is really hard. I mean, I feel like I have even been told, oh, you look so good for your age. I'm like, I'm 39. Like, I, I, I should look.

[Julie Wilson]

Right. But also, like, I'm in my 40s now. And, like, I don't know, like, I was talking about turning 40, obviously, four years ago on Instagram, and people were, like, sliding into my DMs, like, why are you telling people your age? Don't tell people your age. Aren't you. Don't you feel like you're not going to get, like, certain opportunities and stuff? And I was like, first of all, you wish at 40 you were getting this. So, like, let's all just calm down. But Also, like, what's the alternative? I die? Or I just, like, lie for the

[Sarah]

rest of my life?

[Kirby]

What?

[Julie Wilson]

And then I did the In Beauty campaign, which my face was, like, plastered. Everyone with my age on in LA and in New York, and I was like, we're leaning in. We're leaning in because it's like, again, like, Giselle is 45. 45, Beyonce's 44. Like, I feel like we're getting to this place where, like, these people who are considered the most beautiful people in the world aren't in their 20s or 30s anymore. So you are going to have to not only deal with us, but celebrate us in our 40s and our 50s and our 60s. So I love it. I love that they are saying their age too, with, like, their whole entire chest.

[Sarah]

And, like, there's no 20 year old or someone in their 20s that I look at and think, oh, I wish I looked like them.

[Julie Wilson]

You know, I mean, they're beautiful. And we were there. I can say I was there. I have the pictures to prove it. We can put. We can do the 2016 challenge and show you what I was giving 10 years ago. But, like, look what I'm giving now. Like, it's up from here. Like, I just feel really good about it. And, like, even professionally, like, I'm smarter, I'm a better editor. Like, if you think I'm washed up now, I knew more about beauty, about the industry, about how to tell a story than I did 10, 15, 20 years ago. So, like, to think about us, like, being over now, it's like, I'm at my peak. This is when you want me. This is when you want to hire me. This is when you want me in campaigns is because I'm the dopest and I'm only getting doper.

[Kirby]

Yeah, no one thinks you're washed up, Julia.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, Julie, I'm sure there are some ageists out there that would think so, but, like.

[Kirby]

But I understand. And you know, Kirby and I, when we're in la, at these events, we're often the oldest people there. And so you definitely think you're like, am I too old to be here? Like, is this not for me anymore? But no, they invited us for a reason.

[Julie Wilson]

Cause you guys are experts and people love you, and we want to hear what you have to say. And because you've been doing it for so long, I wrote that, like, openly letter to the beauty industry after Giada had to shutter Ami Kalei and like, really stood 10 toes down and called out all of the major conglomerates if you have a billion dollars for Hailey Bieber, you could have $10 million for Jada.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Julie Wilson]

But I also said at the end of that, I do feel like part of our futures should be being on these boards, right? At, like, Estee Lauder and l' Oreal and all of these things, these paid boards. Because, like, again, we are people who have for decades tried your products, know your competitors, done all the things, sold your products, you know, like, written the stories, talked to the dermatologist, talked to the product developers. And I'm like, that's cool. You have the former CFO of Nike on your board. Because, like, I don't do numbers, like, have that person there.

[Sarah]

Totally.

[Julie Wilson]

But, like, we are the true anthropologists that know your brand. They can't tell you what the future of mascara is going to be. We can. And so, like, if you have 15 people on your board, why aren't at least two or three seats given to people like us? But there's all these prerequisites, like, you have to have be a C suite and have gone to business school and, like, all of these things. And I'm like, it doesn't make any sense. I didn't go to business school. But, like, if I was a smart, big beauty conglomerate, I would want people like us on the board saying, have you considered this? Do you talk about that? Like, come on, People are doing it.

[Sarah]

Business school. But I know business. Yes.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Also, they are in our DMs, asking us, you know, when we're seeing them in person, like, unofficially, in an unpaid capacity. Unpaid capacity.

[Julie Wilson]

Or like, these, like, you know, consulting gigs, which, again, it's great to be able to be in these rooms and wax poetic about what we know. But, like, I do feel like part of our longevity and like, a true respect for what we brought to the industry is to also allow us to be on these paid boards where we can get paid to run our mouths and to make you millions of dollars. Like, that is a part of the abundance and ease future that I see for us.

[Sarah]

I love that vision. Thank you, Julie.

[Julie Wilson]

Welcome. I'm just putting it out there in the ether. If anyone from these companies are listening, please consider it. It just makes sense 100% they are.

[Sarah]

Okay, let's move on. We have some more Pat McGrath news.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

So let's recap. Pat McGrath was up for auction. Then they filed for bankruptcy instead, and they got a creditor to come in and save the sinking ship. Thank God, because I cannot live without her. Under eye powder. I'm Just putting it out there. Like, I have it on my person at all times. Now we have new news that Pat McGrath Labs is up for sale again. I remember getting this email and being like, I didn't see the again. So I was like, is this headline? Are we just regurgitating an old story? No. So now it says, this is from Brennan Kilbane. Our man says the makeup artistry brand has a new owner, but it is still being shopped around for investment and acquisition opportunities. The Business of Beauty got a presentation sent to them that they reviewed, and it says that by reviewing this presentation, there are new questions about Pat McGrath Lab's future. Just days after one of its investors, Gdaluma, had said it would supply financing to keep the brand operating through bankruptcy and that it also had a majority stake. This was really interesting to me because Pat posted on her Instagram a new product and she was using it on herself. And it looks to be a double ended liner. I was not on the Zoom call where they previewed it, but can you say anything?

[Julie Wilson]

Julie was Liner and a lipstick, a liner and lip.

[Sarah]

Okay, great.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In one.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Julie Wilson]

So you don't have to find the liner. You don't find the liner.

[Kirby]

And on the Zoom. Business as usual.

[Julie Wilson]

Business as usual. No as usual. No mention, like all the Zooms we've ever been to a little late. But you wait. But you wait because it's Pat.

[Kirby]

You wait for Mother.

[Julie Wilson]

Wait for Mother. I love Pat. I think she's so smart. I think she's brilliant. So it hurt my heart when I heard about all of this, like, because I'm like, she was evaluated for a billion dollars like, a few years ago. So anyway, I'm glad that they are figuring it out, but she's still out here innovating, like, really beautiful. I mean, I can't wait to get the product in my hand to actually try it. I'm sure you guys feel that way too, but she always wows us with something. And I just think it's not like, you know, rocket science to put a liner and a lip together in one stick. But, like, we also know her formulations are going to slap.

[Sarah]

I also feel, though, this is the first launch in a really long time that feels like it's newness from her versus it being another mothership palette, another Bridgerton collaboration, Candy Crush thing.

[Julie Wilson]

I mean, the setting spray was probably also a big innovation, but I don't know if I want to walk around looking like a porcelain doll all the time.

[Sarah]

Right, so 100%, yes. And also, that was, I feel like a reaction to the Margiela show, to the viral. Basically didn't have that, I think, in play. And then they said, we got to figure that out.

[Julie Wilson]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And then obviously they had the mask version, but that was 100 units. And I think just like a fun little side quest for them. So the story says that one thing they did learn in the presentation was that sales did drop significantly, that the brand's revenues fell sharply last year, reflecting slowing demand and broader challenges in the prestige beauty market. And that also they are in way less Sephora's than they had been. But we knew that. I think, like, if you went to a Sephora five years ago, Pat was all over the place. We saw it kind of diminish a little bit. And then we also. We saw a mothership palette at cvs. Like they were put it. And we were like, cvs, like not a TJ Maxx.

[Julie Wilson]

Right, right.

[Sarah]

We reached out to the brand to ask about this. They seem to be completely in the dark about what was going on there. So I do think that one thing that we have discussed on the podcast in regards to Pat is like, this is a brand that we love. This is a brand that we want to survive. We believe in Pat. But I do think the business is not being run properly. And I really want someone to get in there. Who is that person? Can they poach the CEO from Charlotte Tilbury that just left? Like, get somebody that might be.

[Julie Wilson]

You might have just. Maybe that's why she left Charlotte.

[Kirby]

Maybe that's where she's going.

[Sarah]

I mean, we need to reinvent this brand because for the past however many years, the decision making has been whack, in my opinion. I wouldn't have never pinned. Does Pat McGrath like Candy Crush? Did she even know what Candy Crush was when that partnership happened? Like, that felt like just such a money grab at the time to get a licensing deal. And I'm like, Bridgerton Collab makes sense, right? Candy Crush.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah, doesn't is like a red flag.

[Sarah]

Weird thing. This is a woman who created some of the most iconic products we have ever seen in this industry prior to her own brand.

[Julie Wilson]

And she's so busy also. She's still doing the work. Right. It's not like she's still backstage at the shows. She still. She did. You know, she's doing covers with people. She's doing all these things. She's working with Louis Vuitton and like, you know, like, she's busy. So I think sometimes she's like, not that she's phoning it in, but she's allowing her team at labs to, like, figure it out. And maybe she's coming in at the 11th hour and not being able to, like, steer the ship the way she would have if she had been there from, you know, inception of, like, a project like Candy Crush, you know.

[Sarah]

Yes. But I do think that bankruptcy was a smart thing in that at least they didn't auction it off, because I feel like it would have been DOA after that. Like, it would not have survived the bankruptcy. Keeps the business running, gets them a cash infusion that they need to support their employees, pay their vendors, which is necessary. The biggest piece of hope I have was when she was putting on the liner in that. That video, I was like, ma'.

[Julie Wilson]

Am.

[Sarah]

Like, I literally commented, ma'.

[Julie Wilson]

Am.

[Sarah]

And then, like, you know, the brand responded to me, but I was like, this makes me happy. Because it's not like, okay, we gotta get another product out. It's gonna be another mothership palette. It was like, this is something different that we haven't seen before. It's a new offering that she's coming out with.

[Kirby]

This.

[Sarah]

This feels exciting, and I feel like, okay, this feels like it could be the era that we need to be going in that direction.

[Julie Wilson]

Let us all pray that this is the new, like, we're on the right path now. There's no. No more hiccups.

[Sarah]

Right. Because it doesn't bring us any joy to report.

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

What's been going on with this brand.

[Julie Wilson]

And again, of anyone in this industry. Right. For someone who. Who holds herself to someone such a high artistry, like, you know, level, you want to see that person win. This isn't a flash in the pan. Like, no. Oh, let's just put out some lipsticks. And like, this, like, she is like she's mother for a reason. You want her to win.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And also, even without her, the. The products are so good. Yes, they are so good. They're products that I keep going back to that I will always say, you know what? I trust that Pat McGrath's foundation, her powder, all the lip.

[Julie Wilson]

Like, like, you never have to question. No, no, you can go to that section, get something, and you know you're going to get something good whether you, like, it works for your. Your skin tone or, like, your look or whatever. But, you know, the formula, the formulation.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Julie Wilson]

Going to hit.

[Sarah]

Totally.

[Kirby]

I'm just still so confused about the Louis Vuitton of it all.

[Julie Wilson]

And also, girl, I don't $160 lipstick,

[Kirby]

but, like, have they launched anything since that initial launch.

[Julie Wilson]

Shadow, like, the initial collection, I don't know. But, like, that just is. As a girly again, who gets things for free. And, like, all of that, like, $160 lipstick just is crazy to me.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right?

[Sarah]

Yeah. I mean, like, it's definitely priced for a reason.

[Kirby]

Did she do the makeup for their show recently? Like, I just haven't heard anything again, but she.

[Julie Wilson]

You know, when you're on these zooms and she tells you what she's bringing out to market, and then she has all the receipts, she's like, you saw this a year and a half ago on the Runway or, like, on this red carpet, and you're like, oh, my God. And she'll have, like, a picture of the, you know, beating that celebrity's face or backstage at the show where she's then showing the actual product, and you're like, oh, my God, you've been testing this. You've been showing us this, and we just didn't know what we were looking at. And so, like, I think it's great that she, like, is like, yeah, it's been happening. Yeah, it's been happening, but you guys didn't know, and here we are. And so, like, I think she has been. I mean, there's probably stuff that she's been doing for lv behind the scenes. Behind the scenes that we're like, oh, we love that blush that, like, she did on that show. And you'd be like, that. And now, six months to a year later, here it is for lv.

[Kirby]

I would love to see that contract, like, what she's allowed, you know, because it's seems like a conflict, does it

[Sarah]

not, with her own brand.

[Kirby]

With her own brand.

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah. But I think she's like, they're different price points. They're different, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're not going to the LV customer, you know, might be a Pat McGrath customer, but maybe the Pat McGrath customer is not the LV customer, but

[Kirby]

people are buying the LV for, like, the monogram to whip it out at lunch so that people can see.

[Julie Wilson]

Right? Because I can look at y'.

[Sarah]

All.

[Julie Wilson]

You could have had that on your lips right now. Yeah, your lips look great. But I'm not. Like, she's wearing the $160 LV lipstick. Like, that's for your own personal flex of, like, I'm walking around running my mouth with $160 lipstick on that nobody knows. But once we sit down and I need to reapply they're gonna see me take out this bullet. I'm gonna do it real slow so you can see that I got this on my lips. Otherwise, like, why?

[Sarah]

Yeah, why, why, why?

[Julie Wilson]

I do have it and, like, have not used it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be.

[Julie Wilson]

I'm a beauty archivist, by the way, in your ar. Keep things, like, pristine. Like, I do not touch a thing. And if I need to, I will ask the publicist for another one.

[Sarah]

Same. Yep. Yeah. I'm like, I gotta keep it for formula's sake. What if I want to recreate this at some point?

[Julie Wilson]

Yeah. And just, like, maybe when I'm sitting on a cloud in heaven someday and my, like, great grandchildren need to, like, you know, pay a bill, maybe I'll have, like. Like, you have the first edition Pat McGrath LV lipstick, untouched. Perhaps you could get some good money for it. Or it might go in a museum or something someday and my name could be on a little plaque. Yeah, I don't know. It's all about the legacy.

[Sarah]

It is.

[Julie Wilson]

Because clearly I have no money. We got to. We got to. We have to create.

[Sarah]

This was a legacy episode.

[Julie Wilson]

We had to create a legacy. Who else said she talked to Michelle Obama. She was on Los Angeles, and she has all of Pat McGrath's first, like, all of the motherships untouched. And her LV lipstick untouched.

[Sarah]

And with that, Julie, thank you for being on Los Angeles. We love you. Thank you for coming on.

[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan.

[Sarah]

Fellas.

[Hayden]

I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Kirby]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

Newsflash. I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts.