Celebrity Hairstylist Chris McMillan on Britney Spears, The Rachel, & His Biggest Hair Secrets

Summary

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Episode: Celebrity Hairstylist Chris McMillan on Britney Spears, The Rachel, & His Biggest Hair Secrets
Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Guest: Chris McMillan (Celebrity Hairstylist)

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes the iconic hairstylist Chris McMillan, the creative mind behind some of pop culture’s most celebrated hair moments, including "The Rachel," Miley Cyrus’s hair transformation, and looks for Britney Spears, Jennifer Aniston, and more. The hosts and Chris dive deep into his career, the evolution of hairstyling in Hollywood, hair secrets, current trends, products, and memorable stories from decades working with A-listers. The tone is candid, warm, and peppered with both expertise and personal anecdotes, making the episode as insightful as it is entertaining.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Chris’s Approach to Hair and Must-Have Products

• Hair Philosophy:

  • Clean, conditioned hair is always the essential starting point ("People don't even know how to shampoo their hair properly." — Chris, 02:32).
  • A great blowout is non-negotiable; clients never leave without it.

• Must-Have Products in Chris's Kit:

  • Glossy smooth blow dry spray (his own creation, feels like water, essential for prepping hair, 02:32–03:10)
  • Hairspray with dual use as heat protectant and root lift (inspired by old-school products, 03:43–04:13)
  • Brushes: Ibiza for blowouts, Sheila Stotts for extensions and detangling, Mason Pearson for slick backs (04:35–04:52)

• Brush Care:

  • Personal-use brushes should be washed at least once a week (05:29)
  • Use regular shampoo, not Dr. Bronner’s (which leaves a film)

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Salon Secrets & Hair Extension Wisdom

• Hair Extensions:

  • Chris is present for the install of hair extensions, insists on a proper detox shampoo beforehand (06:21)
  • All products in his line are extension-safe (07:11)
  • Extensions allow for growing out hair while adding fullness, but proper pre-install care and precision cutting are key

• Jennifer Aniston’s Hair Ethos:

  • She deeply values the salon experience and the process (07:54)
  • Invested in every step—likes seeing other clients' hair transformations

• Detox Shampoos and Scalp Care:

  • Chris currently finds detox shampoos too stripping; prefers a balance of cleansing and nourishment, especially for once-a-week washers (08:42–09:31)
  • Ideal would be a product that combines a gentle detox with a nourishing scalp scrub

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Career Trajectory: Past vs. Present

• How to Get Booked: Then & Now:

  • In Chris’s early days, A-list jobs came through publicist relationships & IRL connections (12:02–14:05)
  • "You did good hair, you did. And then the photographers... it was all run through publicists" (12:51)
  • Transition period: celebrities (not models) became magazine cover stars; Chris’s style helped define that era

• Shift in Modern Bookings:

  • Now, booking is more influenced by social media following; relationships still matter, but the industry is evolving (15:56–16:09)
  • Chris insists on the value of personal connections: "I teach my team that, take every call, meet every person... there's a feeling that you get when you meet people in real life." (16:09)

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The Rachel—Origins, Impact, & Anecdotes

• Origin Story:
  • Inspired by model Amber Valletta’s cut, adapted for Jennifer Aniston’s face shape and hair needs (16:51–18:16)
  • “I basically gave Jennifer Aniston that haircut... kind of evened up her hair... that's kind of where that trend started.” (17:00)
• Pop Culture Impact:
  • TV’s power: more effective at spreading trends than movies
  • Chris was unaware of the haircut’s cultural pervasiveness at the time (“I was so stoned, I didn’t even notice.” — 19:06)

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Celebrity Transformation Highlights

• Miley Cyrus:

  • The cut was about transformation, inspired by short, bleached looks on Kate Moss/Agyness Deyn; not just a style, but a ‘shape shift’ for her public persona (01:49; 19:11–20:21)

• Katy Perry:

  • Chris was brought in as the "fixer" after her hair broke from too much bleach—led to her pixie cut (20:06–20:18)

• Britney Spears:

  • Worked on iconic looks for "I’m a Slave 4 U," "Womanizer,” and the patchwork denim AMA appearance
  • For the “Slave 4 U” video, used glycerin oil for shine and a 'wet look' (25:15)
  • "Nobody’s face lit up more than Britney Spears... she would smile and like a ray of sunshine." (25:27)

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Glam Team Culture & Client Loyalty

• Longtime Clients & Backup Roles:
  • Chris is the "backup" for Sarah Jessica Parker and Julia Roberts when Serge Normant (their main stylist) is unavailable. (27:09)
  • Devoted to recommending the best for clients, never out of ego (27:31)
  • Loyalty: Jennifer Aniston is always booked first for any major event (28:09)
  • "It's not about the money... I'm not looking to do everybody's hair... there's enough room for everybody." (28:50–28:55)

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The State of Hair Trends

• Current Short Hair Trends:
  • Short hair is making a comeback; Emma Stone and Teyana Taylor cited as examples (22:10–23:18)
  • Teyana Taylor’s style compared to a modern Betty Boop (23:09–23:18)
• Boy Cuts:
  • Classic inspirations: Mia Farrow, Gene Seberg, Twiggy

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Pro Secrets & Rapid Fire Advice

• On Cutting and Growing Hair:

  • Best advice for growth: trim regularly ("You gotta cut the roses to make them grow." – 40:57)
  • Bobs are the best 'reset' for bad cuts or color (40:57–41:25)

• Evergreen Styles & Products:

  • The bob never goes out of style (36:26)
  • Most underrated product? "Hairspray. I love hairspray. I use it for everything." (36:31–36:33)
  • Dry shampoo: old versions are out; Chris prefers newer texture sprays with shiny particles (36:47–37:39)

• Common Mistakes:

  • Most people don’t shampoo properly (“People don’t shampoo their hair properly... they half shampoo...” — 39:21)
  • Two (even three or four) rounds are needed on shampoo day, especially for infrequent washers (39:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I’m with my people. I’m comfortable. I’m Chris McMillan. Let’s do this podcast." — Chris (01:20)
• “You gotta cut the roses to make them grow.” — Chris, about hair growth (40:57)
• “Nobody’s face lit up more than Britney Spears... like a ray of sunshine.” — Chris on Britney (25:27)
• “Jennifer Aniston will always be number one on my roster, no matter what.” — Chris (28:09)
• “It’s not about the money... I’m not looking to do everybody’s hair.” — Chris (28:50)

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Product and Tool Recommendations

• Brushes:

  • Ibiza (all sizes, white bristles, cork handle) (04:35)
  • Sheila Stotts for detangling/extensions
  • Mason Pearson for slick styles

• Products:

  • Chris’s own blow dry spray and hairspray (extension safe)
  • Regular shampoo (not Dr. Bronner’s) for brush cleaning

• Favorite White Tee:

  • Kelly Cole "because you can always see everybody’s hair" (42:56)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:32 – Chris’s essential kit & blowout philosophy
• 04:35 – Go-to brushes and classic tools
• 05:29 – Washing hair brushes: best practice
• 06:21 – Extension install routines
• 07:54 – Jennifer Aniston’s love for the salon experience
• 11:59 – Then vs. now: getting booked in Hollywood
• 16:51 – Origin story of The Rachel
• 19:06 – Realizing “The Rachel” trend after getting sober
• 20:06 – Katy Perry’s pixie cut and hair health
• 23:09 – Teyana Taylor and the modern Betty Boop
• 25:15 – Creating Britney’s "Slave 4 U" hair: glycerin oil hack
• 27:09 – Managing longtime celebrity clients
• 28:09 – Jennifer Aniston loyalty
• 36:26 – The Bob: timeless haircut
• 39:21 – Shampooing mistakes and tips
• 40:57 – Hair "reset" cuts and advice for growth

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Episode’s Language & Tone

Candid, energetic, full of behind-the-scenes details and pop culture nods. Chris’s warmth and honesty shine through, as do Kirbie and Sara’s genuine enthusiasm for hair and beauty. The conversation is personal and unfiltered but always professional and informative.

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Final Takeaway

Chris McMillan’s expertise and stories illuminate just how much thought, art, and interpersonal skill go into iconic hair moments. From practical advice (clean hair, proper shampooing, loyalty to clients, the importance of a good haircut) to juicy behind-the-chair anecdotes (Britney’s glow, Jennifer Aniston’s loyalty, the creation of The Rachel), this episode is a goldmine for beauty fans and anyone fascinated by the intersection of pop culture and personal style.

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Transcript

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[Chris McMillan]

Foreign. Los angeles. Hi, kirby.

[Kirby]

Hi, sarah.

[Sarah]

Welcome to los angeles.

[Kirby]

We don't even.

[Chris McMillan]

I was gonna say it's Chris McMillan. I'm doing a podcast and I'm with Kirby, where I'm very comfortable. Sarah and I, we had like, a little kick. Like we're gonna get. This is. This is my people. I'm with my people. I'm comfortable. I'm Chris McMullen. Let's do this podcast. But who else?

[Sarah]

Who else are his people? Kirby, let's. Let's name a few.

[Kirby]

He's coined so many amazing hairstyles, like the Rachel, the country little Bob. There's so many Miley Cyrus cutting her hair off.

[Chris McMillan]

Like, taking her. Taking, like, Hannah Montana out of, like, Miley Cyrus. That was really the goal of that was. It wasn't so much. It was just like. It was a shape shift of a person. Hair does that. That's a big, important part of hair.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

Oh, and I didn't know you did say why. Didn't I? Of course. Sarah Jessica Parker. You know, I was named after her.

[Chris McMillan]

Were you?

[Sarah]

Yeah. And she has some of the best hair ever.

[Chris McMillan]

Sarah's got great hair. Sarah Jessica has got some of the best hair.

[Kirby]

Well, are you talking about Sarah Jessica Parker or Sarah Jessica Tan? Because that's who she's named after. She's literally named after Sarah Jessica.

[Sarah]

No, she's talking about Sarah Jessica Parker. We need to know what's in your kit, because we're dying to know three to four products that you always have in your kit.

[Chris McMillan]

Three to four. I mean, me personally, I'm like a true salon taught hairdresser. So clean conditioned hair is always a must for me. People don't even know how to shampoo their hair properly. But I love a well shampooed conditioned head of hair. Like, let's just start from scratch, clean slate and you know what I mean? And then I love a good blowout. And that's what people, they come in for the haircut, but they don't leave without the blowout. Like they get a haircut, but then they're like, okay, now the blowout, which will last me a week. So a glassy smooth blow dry spray is what I created because it's like the prep spray. It feels like water so it doesn't feel like you're putting anything in your hair. And the blow dry spray is just like a key. And then hairspray. I use hairspray in so many different ways. And the hairspray that I have, I created is a root lift during my blowout and especially in the crown and around the face. It is a aerosol heat protectant on dry hair before I use a hot tool.

[Kirby]

Putting hairspray on your hair before hot tool?

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but Sebastian in the 90s created a product called Laminates and, and it was a heat protecting hairspray that you use that created shine before you and you used it on dry hair before you used hot tools. And so when I was creating my hairspray, that was a big factor in mine. So it's a little bit like lnet and laminates had a baby. And that's my hairspray.

[Sarah]

Such a good.

[Chris McMillan]

It is every, every product I have. So basically my kit is I created everything in my line right now to this date. I could lose my suitcase on a trip and go to Sephora and buy my kit. Buy everything. And that's my kit.

[Kirby]

Go to brush.

[Chris McMillan]

It's my go to brush. Ibiza brushes for blowouts, Sheila Stotts for extensions and detangling, and Mason Pearson for slick backs. Yeah, I'm a classic guy. I'm a classic. I like it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Chris McMillan]

They just, they're really, really the best. And by the way, invest in all sizes of the Ibiza. The small, medium, large, get them all. And the just the classics. I like the white bristles more than I like the dark brown bristles. I love the cork handle. I think Sheila Stotts is just a freaking dog brush, to be honest with you, but it gets through. Hey, it really is. I call it the dog brush, but.

[Kirby]

That'S literally all I use.

[Chris McMillan]

And it's so. And it's, you know.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I Should try to put it on plan.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, it's the best.

[Sarah]

How often should we be washing our brushes? If it's just for our personal use.

[Chris McMillan]

At least once a week. I mean, come on, you guys. You gotta get the hair out of your brush. You gotta wash it and wash them. Wash them and shampoo them.

[Kirby]

And shampoo them.

[Chris McMillan]

Shampoo them with your shampoo.

[Kirby]

That's not going to ruin the Dr. Bronner's or something. Just use a regular shampoo.

[Chris McMillan]

Dr. Bronner's has. It's a film and it leaves us a film as it was on the drain of my shower when I used to buy it at Trader Joe's. And yeah, it leaves a. It leaves a film. I loved it as a body wash, but there's just a film.

[Kirby]

Like I take the hair out of my brush.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, you gotta take it.

[Kirby]

And I also have a brush cleaner in that aspect, but I don't have. I don't like wash my brush.

[Chris McMillan]

Just. It's like your makeup brushes.

[Kirby]

Yeah, okay.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, it's the same. Just treat them like, treat them like.

[Kirby]

You do right here first.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah. Because there's residue left in your brush. That brush residue. And like I was telling Sarah that I have a new side hustle, which is. I know. Which is I am present for the install of hair extensions now. And we make sure you use a really good detox shampoo rather than dawn because you want all residue out of the hair before you install your K tips or your extensions. A great blowout before the. And then also able to cut some of the extensions before they go in to avoid from cutting the hair. Because once you. You're cutting your hair.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

And. And we can grow hair.

[Sarah]

Totally.

[Kirby]

Well, that's why I, I want my.

[Sarah]

K tips is so that I can grow my hair but have some filler in the meantime. I don't want to have my real hair cut.

[Chris McMillan]

Extensions are some. There's so many benefits and positive things. And by the way, this is nothing. It's not like a claim. But all my products are extension safe.

[Sarah]

No, that's, you know, so many people.

[Kirby]

I mean, I have extensions in now and my whole day is taken over by trying to get my hair done. Because it's like, okay, I have to take out my extensions, then I have to go for the reinstall, then I have to get my hair cut and then I have to go get my color. It's three different appointments.

[Chris McMillan]

It's a production.

[Kirby]

It totally is.

[Chris McMillan]

It's a production.

[Kirby]

One day I will be Ms. Jennifer Aniston. And I will have people coming to me to do all of this stuff. But truly, I love that you're like, I need to be present at the start because it's so true.

[Chris McMillan]

By the way, Jennifer Aniston comes to the salon and gets her hair done. Like, she is a true hair person. So she knows the value of good hair. She knows the value of getting it done. Right. She knows the value. She knows each other step, you know, when you do the color and then the blowout. Like, she loves to come to the salon and get a blow dry. She's too busy looking at what are they going to do to her hair.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Chris McMillan]

In fact, Chris, take your time because I want to see that person's hair done. Like, she gets invested in the clients that are coming in. Yeah, yeah, she's investing also.

[Sarah]

There is nothing better than getting your hair shampooed in the bowl by someone else and then a blowout. Are you kidding me?

[Chris McMillan]

It's. It really is one of those luxuries of life.

[Sarah]

It is.

[Kirby]

Chris, you mentioned details. Detox shampoos. Do you have a favorite at the moment?

[Chris McMillan]

I do not have a favorite. I'm actually in the world of like, trying them and playing with them. I come from the days of Sebastian and their detox was a conditioner that pulled all the impurities out of the hair and evened the porosity so that you could color your hair. So I'm kind of playing in that world. Detox shampoos, I think are really stripping at the moment. That's why they're really good. Detox shampoos are great for. But I don't think a heavy, heavy detox shampoo for if you're a once a week cleanser shampoo day girl, I think we could. It needs to be a little more nourishing. It's too stripping. Yeah, we don't want to strip our hair that much.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

What about a scalp scrub?

[Chris McMillan]

Same thing. I think that scalp scrubs are awesome. I think blood flow to the scalp stimulates all of it. It's. It makes perfect sense. You know, I think that there's a combination of like a detox shampoo and a scalp scrub that is nourishing. That could be in. In one product. You know, there was. Back in the day, there was products like that Metal Ax, Bi, Clairol. It was. It was a product that we used like, I like your friend that we were talking about earlier, the guy that Clayton. He studies all the old products like him. I love the study of old and just like with innovation, you can take an old product that really did make sense. And with innovation, we can update it and rebrand it, remarket it, remake it. And I think that that's where the hair world is in my head. Okay, There you go. Am I too loud? No, no. I have a really deep voice.

[Sarah]

No, it's perfect. It's great.

[Chris McMillan]

I have a crazy voice.

[Sarah]

I actually really love your voice. It sounds.

[Chris McMillan]

No, it's so good.

[Kirby]

It's so good.

[Sarah]

I. That's not how I would describe it.

[Chris McMillan]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I would not describe it.

[Chris McMillan]

I listen to myself and I'm like, that is the gayest voice I've ever heard.

[Sarah]

It's not the first descriptor that I would choose.

[Chris McMillan]

I'm definitely growing into a older gentleman that I don't see. But what people do see is I'm growing in to be being like a hot older man.

[Kirby]

Isn't that weird?

[Chris McMillan]

I'm getting that feedback from the public. I don't think of myself. I'm a 27 year old kid that, you know, lives in Manhattan beach, totally in El Porto. It is body surfing.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

Like I'm a, you know, a settled in man.

[Sarah]

I love it though.

[Chris McMillan]

Scary.

[Kirby]

No, it's not scary when people start calling you sir. You're like gray hair. Yeah.

[Sarah]

I'm like, you're hot, Chris.

[Chris McMillan]

Foxy daddy, man.

[Kirby]

Would you ever color your hair?

[Chris McMillan]

Never. I would bleach it, but I wouldn't color it to make it look natural.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

They're going to know. They're going to know. They're never going to know, Chris. They're going to.

[Kirby]

Okay, Chris, so you started your career in a very different era than we're in now. The Tiktoks, Instagrams, the trend cycles. How are you getting booked on shoots at the beginning of your career versus how are people now getting booked on shoots to start their career?

[Chris McMillan]

Publicist. It was publicist.

[Kirby]

You had a public. You had a publicist or.

[Chris McMillan]

No, it was the publicist of the actors. And so I was doing Christian Slater because I did a photo shoot with Greg Gorman for True Romance and Susan Coley, his publicist, asked me if I would do the press tour. Did the press tour, met Patricia Arquette, who I had already known cut Patricia Arquette's manager Molly Madden's hair while we were waiting on the press junket because we have nothing better to do on press junkets that sit around and eat free food. So of course I always had my scissors handy and I was giving free haircuts to the publicists. And the managers. And she was like, will you do Patricia's hair? I was like, sure, of course. Will you go around the world for 500 a day, do hair and makeup, and we'll fly you first class? I'm like, I've made it.

[Sarah]

Wait, you also used to do makeup?

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, I used to do makeup. I did Patricia Arquette and Christian Slater's hair and makeup on the press tour of True Romance. Molly Madden had a girl on a pilot called like, Six of One, which is now Friends. She had Jennifer Aniston on it. Jennifer. But Susan Coley was Courtney Cox's publicist. So I'm like, now in this sort of world, they know he does good hair. They tried them, used them. Given the opportunities, I took advantage and did the best that I can do. Suited up and showed up and. And it really was run through the publicists. You know, the publicists were rebooking you and booking you and then booking you. Like. Jennifer's publicist is Stephen Uvain. Stephen Uvain had Julianne Moore. Julianne Moore. I would do her hair, and you know what I mean? And it just kept going around in the circles. And then you did good hair. You did. And then the photographers, you would do a shoot. It was. So that's when I was doing actresses, when actresses started doing the covers of magazines simultaneously. Gwyneth Paltrow had just done the COVID of vogue in the 90s. First celebrity to. Or was it. No, it's Nicole Kidman.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Chris McMillan]

But it was just that time. It was. And then all of a sudden, like, Michael Thompson is shooting the COVID of W. And you're like, oh, my God, look at Giselle's. Never looked. Wait, that's Jennifer Aniston on the COVID of W, looking like Giselle. So we started turning the movie stars and the celebrities into models. So I was in that era where the next thing you know, we were putting celebrities on the covers of magazines. Not models, but we were putting celebrities looking like models. I have always been inspired by models. Gucci, Tom Ford, 1995. Lives rent free in my head at all times. And I wanted to give Amber Valletta's haircut to Jennifer Aniston because it translated perfectly and was so modern. And that's why I am who I am today. It's all your fault.

[Kirby]

Tom Ford is Tom Ford 19 and. Please do not drag.

[Chris McMillan]

It was his.

[Kirby]

Please don't drag me for not knowing this. Is this when Madonna wore that?

[Chris McMillan]

Yes. Teal MTV Awards.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

Teal silk blouse.

[Kirby]

Yep.

[Chris McMillan]

With the up here. Peter Savic did her. Her hair that night. She had the fall on with a bouffant in the back, slicked back here, low cut here. Amazing. It was also the red velvet suit with the light blue shirt on. Gwyneth Paltrow. It was also, like, it really does.

[Sarah]

Live rent free in your head.

[Chris McMillan]

It was beautiful. It was a beautiful time. It was when, you know, Kate Moss, Amber Valletta, all of them were walking the Runway looking like rock stars, like the wives of rock stars.

[Kirby]

Every publicist loves you right now, by the way. They're literally like, you're keeping us in business, babe.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Because right now, I feel like a lot of people are getting jobs based off their following.

[Chris McMillan]

Sure.

[Kirby]

Not necessarily having a press person.

[Chris McMillan]

There's definitely. There's definitely a shift going on. And.

[Sarah]

But, like, relationships are still so important, is what you're saying.

[Chris McMillan]

The relationships and. And meeting people in real life, it really does make a difference. I still practice that. I teach my team that take every call, you know, meet every person, try to meet people, and, like, we can all go on zoom. But there's a feeling that you get when you meet people in real life. And I will. I mean, my age will never let me let go of that because I'm a grumpy old man as well, so. And I don't want to lose. But that's, like, a gift to have all that.

[Sarah]

Can we talk about the Rachel again? Because, I mean, we could literally talk about the Rachel this whole entire episode. But you recently said Cameron Diaz had the Rachel first.

[Chris McMillan]

Cameron Diaz. I was really into sort of Amber Valletta at the time, and she was giving. And then there was another model named. And Ward did her hair. A New York hairdresser. Amazing hairdresser. And it was. I can't remember her name. It was a model. And he did this sort of, like, shaggy, where the front was grown out and the back was kind of shaggy. And I was just obsessed with it. It was beautiful. And I basically gave Jennifer Aniston that haircut. It was. Jennifer Aniston has a small forehead, so she needed to grow her bangs out. So I already knew that she had all these layers, so I kind of evened up her hair. And then that's when the Bobby pin to help grow out, when we did the little bobby pin over and then this hung over, and that's kind of where that trend started. And then I just gave her a blowout. And because it kind of hits around the shoulder area, you get those flicks. But she would always pull her layers, like, from back forward. So they kind of did this. And that was sort of the Rachel. I think TV is powerful in that case. You know, we see them more often less than in the movies. Except for Rene Russo. Her haircut in Thomas Crown Affair. Fabulous haircut. So that was. Enzo did that haircut that. But. But.

[Sarah]

And it was very popular, but nothing like the Rachel.

[Chris McMillan]

And so was Rachel Ward. And Against All Odds, that was a great short haircut. I remember cutting hair, becoming a hairdresser in the salon, and a lot of people were bringing. So I knew that the power. The power of, like, a celebrity wearing hair. Racial ward that I Remember on the 18, 19, 20 years old. And I'm cutting hair in a salon in Manhattan beach on 10th and Manhattan Avenue. Yeah. Nicole's. And people would bring, like, pictures of Rachel Ward from Against All Odds. So that's where I'm like, oh, yeah, I like it, and I did it. And then people really liked this Rene Russo cut from Thomas Crown Affair. And now I know what it's like. People bringing pictures in of Jennifer Aniston and the Rachel.

[Sarah]

What was it like walking around in the 90s, though, and then being like, oh, my God, everyone has the haircut that I gave.

[Chris McMillan]

I was so stoned, I didn't even notice.

[Kirby]

Is this before you got sober?

[Chris McMillan]

It is.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

I was stoned out of my mind. I didn't feel I was worthy. It was so easy to do because it's what I do. So it came natural. It was like, she needs to grow her bangs out. She needs a blowout, and we need to grow those layers out. So to me, it wasn't like, oh, we're gonna create a haircut. It was more the thought, like, we need to grow our bangs out. Like the cunty little Bob that was a short haircut growing into trying to even up all the layers. So nothing's really been like, long hair and we're gonna cut it. It's always, you know, things sort of, like, roll. Except for maybe Miley Cyrus when we bleached and cut her hair. But that was just us sending pictures of Agnes Dean and Kate Moss with short bleached hair from Mario Testino pictures. And, like, this is what I want. And we did it.

[Kirby]

Is it a coincidence that you did the same thing with Katy Perry?

[Chris McMillan]

Katy Perry got her hair bleached, and it started falling out. And so all I was was the fixer.

[Kirby]

Poor Katie.

[Chris McMillan]

I was just the fixer. I just went in, and she knew she had to cut it off. And then we Went into a pixie on her.

[Kirby]

And Miley was not a result of that. Miley was just like she.

[Chris McMillan]

Miley wanted, wanted. Like Agnes Dean meets Kate Moss. Bleach blonde, short hair is very punk. Yeah, we went punky with her.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

Which is very Miley.

[Kirby]

Totally. Did you do Jennifer Lawrence when she went short?

[Chris McMillan]

I didn't.

[Kirby]

You didn't. I can't remember who did that, but there was a phase of women, like, getting. Oh, yeah, just these, like, radically short shell.

[Chris McMillan]

Well, there was also, like, the Kirsten Dunst, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Winona Ryder. Those. I used to cut Winona's hair short.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, so that was back in the day when I was doing that and Kirsten Dunst. I used to cut her hair short. Maggie Gyllenhaal. I never did, but I always did love her short haircuts.

[Kirby]

Winona. Wow.

[Chris McMillan]

Winona forever.

[Sarah]

Forever. Seriously.

[Kirby]

Scorpio. Scorpio. If there ever was one. She's a Scorpio.

[Chris McMillan]

I'm a scorpio.

[Kirby]

I know.

[Chris McMillan]

Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

I'm a Scorpio moon. So Scorpio Stellium. Just putting it out there.

[Sarah]

So we were talking about the short hair, the pixie cuts. You referenced loving boy cuts on girls. What would you say that cut is right now in 2026?

[Chris McMillan]

It's so funny. Wait, but Cameron. Yeah, she. That was Cameron. I was doing Cameron's hair all the time back in the day. So, yeah, she did. And I look at pictures. I was like, Cameron was the og.

[Kirby]

Oh, you're coming. You're coming back to the original Rachel.

[Chris McMillan]

So I'm just like, she kind of was. And that was when I did this post. Like, working with Cameron in the 90s was just really fun for us. I mean, she was working a lot, so there was a lot of hairdressers with their hands on her head. But she would always. I'm like her haircutter. I was always the guy that cut Cameron's hair. Her and I went way back from when she was with, like, Elite Modeling Agency. So I. Yeah, she was like the girl that I would test and build my book with.

[Sarah]

I mean, she had some of the best hair, too, but. Yes. Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

Short hair to day. I think short hair is having a little comeback. I think people are starting to cut their hair off. I think Emma Stone has been. I mean, that's a great example of cute haircuts. She shaved her head, and we watched her grow her hair out and have it maintained by a hairdresser. And Mara, who did a beautiful job. And I just think that that's a fun way for everybody to see. Yeah. Hair grows. We saw her shave her head off. If. I mean, if you care, whoever's listening or paying attention. But that was a great example of the last year of a grow out. Short hair. People are going shorter. I don't think there's anyone super famous at the moment who has short hair intentionally.

[Kirby]

Except for what, Teyana Taylor.

[Chris McMillan]

Teyana Taylor.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But she's also like. She plays with her hair a lot. Yeah, she does a look. So sometimes her hair is short, sometimes.

[Chris McMillan]

It'S a Betty Boop. Short hair of now. It's very feminine.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

Hers is. I wouldn't call hers a boy cut. Hers is. I was looking at her the other day and I was like, she's Betty Boop. She is the Betty Boop of us.

[Kirby]

Why?

[Chris McMillan]

She's. She's cute, she's sassy, she's sexy Betty Boop. She has that kind of, like, energy, like the Betty Boop. A modern day Betty Boop. That's what Tiana Taylor reminds me of.

[Kirby]

And an entertainer.

[Chris McMillan]

Feminine. All the little flicks that are poking out here and there. Nothing's too short. There's no strong lines. It's not Mia Farrow, it's not Gene Seberg, it's not Twiggy. Which are the boy cuts that I'm referring to that have inspired me always with short hair.

[Kirby]

You worked on Britney Spears.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, you know, I know Britney Spears.

[Kirby]

You know Britney Spears, and you love Britney Spears. You've done so many iconic looks on Britney. But I always think of the PC blonde with a little braid from I'm a Slave for your. You did the music video for that.

[Chris McMillan]

That was just twisted, braided piecey hair that just got better as the days got on.

[Kirby]

How long had you been working with her?

[Chris McMillan]

The very first time I ever did Britney was the Patchwork Denim or the American Music Awards. For the American Music Awards, we had done Jay Leno before and then she went and she had to go out to the American Music Awards and her and just Justin came to the dressing room, they got dressed together and boom, there they were.

[Kirby]

And you gave her that beautiful blowout. Yeah, I've done that Halloween costume before.

[Chris McMillan]

That's a good one. My favorite Britney, though, that was Womanizer because we got to do so many different looks. And I remember just having so much fun with that. That was Patty Dubrovni.

[Sarah]

Oh, really?

[Chris McMillan]

Did the makeup. I did the hair slave was Fran Cooper. Did the makeup. Yeah.

[Kirby]

I'm following a Bunch of people that did her makeup over time. And I'm like, just give me one product that you used on her. Do you remember a hair product you used on Britney at that time? What were you using?

[Chris McMillan]

We used glycerin oil is what we were using on that to keep it shiny and wet looking without it. Keep getting it wet.

[Kirby]

Oh yeah. On the slay for you music video. Oh my gosh. Wait, Chris.

[Chris McMillan]

Nobody's face lit up more than Britney Spears. She would smile and like a ray of sunshine. These, this beautiful smile and a ray of sunshine. Just a ray of sunshine over.

[Kirby]

I'm like, if you guys cut to this camera, I'm literally holding my hand.

[Chris McMillan]

To my heart like a glass low. Yeah, that's how like she had it the minute you met her.

[Kirby]

She's the Marilyn Monroe of our time.

[Chris McMillan]

She just has it. She has it. And I'm rooting for Britney.

[Kirby]

We all are. So am I. I absolutely love that.

[Chris McMillan]

I would do anything to, to work with her. Like to do like a. Just a. Give me a half an hour and we'll do a photo shoot. Change the world.

[Kirby]

I know I, I could do it.

[Chris McMillan]

I've already thought about it. I already know. Even if, if she can't take sitting down for 10 minutes, I would have a wig prepped and ready in the. It would be called the Britney wig of course because it would be like the best Britney hair ever in the history of hair.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Chris McMillan]

And gorgeous. Put it on her. Lean forward, add a little wind.

[Kirby]

I'm have to force you to make me a Britney wig so I can wear it starting tomorrow. Okay. The celebrity glam team world is cutthroat and you can be. Wow. I think it can be but I mean you can. I was thinking about this recently. Sarah and I were talking about somebody that we know and they're no longer working with a longtime client. And we're noticing only because the posts that are coming up with the original team. There's one person still there and one person's mia. You have so many longtime clients that you, you know Jennifer sjp, Michelle Williams.

[Chris McMillan]

Well, I'm a backup hairdresser for SJP and for Julia Roberts. I'm Serge's west coast backup.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Chris McMillan]

So there's that. And I think it's very important. But me being a hairdresser is I can't do everyone's hair. And it's really important to recommend other people.

[Kirby]

So how do you get the money.

[Chris McMillan]

From the heart that you're taking care of the person not taking care of your ego. And I'm not going to recommend somebody not so good. I'm going to recommend the best because that's what that person deserves. And if that. And I think everything works out the way it's supposed to.

[Sarah]

But, like, we've had, you know, Mark Townsend on the podcast, we've had Daniel Martin, people, you know, on all sides of the glam world, and they talk about this where it's like, you have such an incredible, you know, clientele, and it's a busy night and you have to pick between the two. Like, how do you do that?

[Chris McMillan]

Sure. You mean, say, on award show.

[Sarah]

Let's say it's an award show night. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

It's loyalty of. It's also the relationship that you have. Like, you know, Jennifer Aniston will always be number one on my. On my roster, no matter what. For Academy Awards, for Emmys, for every award show, always booked with Jennifer first, whether she goes or not. And then they release you and then you start. So it's like, first hold, second holds, and all of that, and it just works. And sometimes people like to share. Sometimes people don't like to share. On award show day.

[Kirby]

What a flex. You know, Jennifer Aniston, she's just number one on the call.

[Sarah]

She's not going.

[Chris McMillan]

But it's always the most fun. It's like my sister.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Sarah]

It transcends, like, any.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

She's so close.

[Kirby]

So it's not about the money. It's not about, oh, this person can pay more. So we're going to prioritize them.

[Chris McMillan]

Sure. And also, I don't need to go crazy anymore. I'm not looking to do everybody's hair or I'm missing out or I'm having fomo. I'm like, we were talking about. I was stoned. Well, guess What? I'm sober 26 years now. I am so blessed. Today is Mariska Hargitay's birthday. I went through my phone. I found a gazillion pictures of Mariska Hargitay that I can post on Instagram. Today. There's enough room for everybody to do hair, and I'm really excited. Like, I love, like, watching Bryce Scarlet and his career grow. I love watching Ariel the makeup artist go from, like, this heavy makeup to, like, I think Kylie Jenner was the most beautiful at the Golden Globes.

[Kirby]

Oh, yeah, she looks stunning.

[Sarah]

She's never looked better.

[Chris McMillan]

She, to me, is the Sophia Loren of today. Like, take away whatever. But she shows up and she got the memo and then some. And Killed it. She is the Sophia Lauren of our day. She's beautiful, you know, and we're seeing.

[Kirby]

That, like, she's paring things back a lot as well.

[Chris McMillan]

Sure. And she's. The makeup. The skin is clearer and shinier. The eye makeup is lighter. The lashes aren't heavy and weighing the. You know, we're really seeing, like. I think he does a beautiful job on her makeup.

[Kirby]

He mentioned Kylie. That brings me to you. Did Kim when she got married to Kanye?

[Chris McMillan]

I did.

[Kirby]

He's literally in keeping up with the Kardashians with Mario doing her hair. Hair looked incredible.

[Chris McMillan]

I mean, that was also. We changed sort of the landscape of what. And that was also working with Givenchy and Ricardo Ticci. And so it was really a collaboration with Ricardo Ticci. And that veil that was a mile and a half long, which was going to weigh down any hairstyle anyway. So we did a. It's not a slick back, but, like a tuck back on her head. But we gave her a little crown. Yes, she had a little crown.

[Sarah]

She was so beautiful.

[Chris McMillan]

The cascading curls down to a point down to the crack of her butt in the back of her head because.

[Kirby]

We got it beautiful.

[Chris McMillan]

And I think we really created. I've been booked to do weddings, which. I don't do weddings. I don't charge for weddings. We should put it. If I do your hair for your wedding, it's because I love you. Wow. I don't. I don't do bridezillas. I do not bring me into that world.

[Sarah]

Oh, because you're not flying to, like, Dubai to do someone's wedding. I mean, unless Kirby gets married in Dubai. Okay.

[Kirby]

I'm like, chris, you're coming to Dubai.

[Sarah]

Kirby and I walk into your salon, like, do whatever you want to do. What would you do to me, and what would you do to Kirby?

[Kirby]

Start with Sarah.

[Chris McMillan]

So, Sarah, you already said you love Chrishell Lim's hair.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

So I would do, like, like, a crochet limb. So that's like a. I would go in that world.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

I would keep that world. That would be. I know that you have K tips in your hair. I love the way your hair looks. It looks beautiful. You would never know. They're never going to know.

[Sarah]

They're never going to know.

[Chris McMillan]

They're never going to know.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

And then. But I like her vibe.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

Sexy.

[Sarah]

It's very edgy.

[Chris McMillan]

It's loose. It does a lot. You can wear it up or is.

[Sarah]

No, no.

[Chris McMillan]

She was a bob. And we're growing it out.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

So she was a bob and we're growing it out. So we just started creating face framing layers and gave her curtain bangs.

[Kirby]

Wow. Okay.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

I mean, I love your hair. I mean, would I change? You don't really change it. I would add more layers around your face.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

If anything, if that's what you would do, Kirby, on the other hand, I would do exactly what she would never let me do. Is why probably we don't do her hair. But I would give her a bob. I'd give her a bob.

[Kirby]

But Chris, can I just say my piece real quick?

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I'm so happy to hear that. By the way.

[Chris McMillan]

I would give her a bob.

[Kirby]

But when you say this, what you don't realize is my dream is a blonde bob. However, these pieces, the reason why I keep cutting them into bangs is because they never grow past this part of my head. They never do. Even when I haven't bleached my hair in six years, these pieces of hair will never grow long. And I need to have the length.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Sleep Number Advertiser]

We talked about this.

[Chris McMillan]

So for me, the length around the face.

[Kirby]

My. Like, I have talked to people about making me a blonde bob wig that looks so realistic so I can live out this dream. So you're not off of the intuition of wanting to give me a bob that is really into my life, of what I've wanted my whole life. But I. I can't do it because if I bleach my entire head of hair, I will have my hair falling out, which was the problem and why I stopped bleaching it in the first place. And now I'm in this position where I decided to go light again for the first time and I'm having an existential crisis.

[Chris McMillan]

You have blonde hair.

[Kirby]

It's bronze.

[Chris McMillan]

I love broad hair.

[Kirby]

I love good. But there are some. There's some lighting. There's something going on. And I also think with now the mid length cut, which I don't totally hate, but the. The bangs of this cut are really giving me.

[Chris McMillan]

You need to do one of two things. You need to really commit to a bang. Like you used to do your OG Bang, because that was a flex on you. This is neither here nor there on you. You like a statement. You like when you look at it, this is what you're getting. A bang is definitely you. You've always worn bangs. You look great in bangs. You know how to work with bangs. That or like I said, you gotta maybe like cut it into a bob and let the bangs grow out. Just do like a little bob. It Tuck it. Do like what Kim Kardashian did on her wedding day. And then we're a little, like, flicked it out, and then these will just grow in. We can grow them in. You can grow them in. You can do it. You can do it, Chris.

[Kirby]

I tried for almost 40 years of my life to grow these in. I have, and they do not grow.

[Chris McMillan]

Do you use a Revlon blow brush?

[Kirby]

No.

[Chris McMillan]

Okay, good.

[Kirby]

Absolutely.

[Chris McMillan]

Not that I don't love that. It's a great product. It just burns all hair off like a.

[Sarah]

Like a tape in here. Like, could we.

[Kirby]

No, because that's where all of my hair fell out.

[Chris McMillan]

She would have to do them from a half an inch from her part. You'd have to do them right from the very top.

[Kirby]

So look at me now with what I currently have going on.

[Chris McMillan]

We're now in hair consultation.

[Kirby]

We are, we are. And I'm so sorry to anyone listening, but I need this.

[Sarah]

We're bypassing the fee because y' all.

[Kirby]

Don'T realize I was having a meltdown prior to this. She was, and Chris had.

[Chris McMillan]

She deserves this.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Chris is used to it. I'm sure you're used to it. You know, he's like.

[Kirby]

He's like, kirby's the biggest diva. I work with the most famous amazing women, and Kirby's the biggest div.

[Chris McMillan]

Kirby's awesome. I love her.

[Kirby]

So if I was coming to you right now, and you were like, this is what's going to work for you. Map it out. What am I doing today?

[Chris McMillan]

Well, it would just, like, I'd have to do it. I'd. If it was a salon visit, I'd have to feel you out right now at this moment, knowing where you're at with the bang. I would probably cut a strong bang.

[Kirby]

On you with this length.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah. I would go with a heavy bang.

[Sarah]

It would be really cute.

[Chris McMillan]

And then you could, like, you'll twist the back up for a while into a little clip and have that sort of like, Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin bang situation going on around the face when.

[Kirby]

You say heavy bang. So this is what's confusing.

[Chris McMillan]

Heavy, like a Birkin bang. Burkin.

[Kirby]

When you say bang, you're saying straight across.

[Chris McMillan]

Like Dakota Johnson. I do her mom's hair.

[Kirby]

Melanie.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Let's go to rapid fire.

[Sarah]

Let's do this. Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

I like a rapid fire.

[Sarah]

What is one haircut that really never goes out of style?

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Bob.

[Kirby]

He loves a Bob. What's the most underrated hair product?

[Chris McMillan]

Hairspray.

[Kirby]

Yeah. You love hairspray.

[Chris McMillan]

I love Hairspray.

[Kirby]

You use it for everything.

[Sarah]

You are scanning your clients hair care and styling products. What are you telling them to throw out?

[Chris McMillan]

You guys are gonna kill me. No, we're not dry shampoo.

[Kirby]

Why?

[Chris McMillan]

I know this sounds crazy. I think that dry shampoo has come a long way. And the old school powdery dry shampoos that leaves dust and dullness to hair that is no longer, I think dry shampoos and texture sprays. My dry texture spray dry with a texture spray in it. It's basically like the living proof dry shampoo which I helped create. And then the dry texture spray or the texture spray by Orbe, my favorite. Which doesn't have a death in one. Yeah, in one baby.

[Kirby]

When I spray that dry texture spray, is there a reason why there's a little like crackling noises?

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, that's the glitter that's inside that's absorbing the dirt.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

So we used glitter instead of powder. I'm sorry. I like shiny things.

[Kirby]

Oh, damn.

[Chris McMillan]

Smooth blow dry.

[Sarah]

Talk about how good it smells. Your product smells so good.

[Chris McMillan]

I love fragrance. If I wasn't a hairdresser, I'd be a nose or a photographer.

[Kirby]

Love this.

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah. Love scent is a big deal to me and so always, I think with hair care products, I don't want that to be your final scent. I want it to play well with others so. So you can layer the scents and they're all layerable, scent friendly scents that I've created.

[Kirby]

You can't say Jennifer, who is a celebrity with consistently great hair.

[Chris McMillan]

Mariska Hargitay, Michelle Williams, Kylie Jenner. Is she Kris Jenner?

[Sarah]

Kris Jenner.

[Chris McMillan]

I cut Kris Jenner's hair yesterday while watching the nominations live at 5:30am yesterday morning.

[Kirby]

And there was something to celebrate.

[Chris McMillan]

It was just so fun.

[Kirby]

Timmy got his nom.

[Chris McMillan]

He did.

[Kirby]

He got his nom again. We love this for him.

[Chris McMillan]

I also am really excited for Kate Hudson. Oh, that she got a nomination. I just love it. It just makes me so happy.

[Kirby]

That's my girl.

[Chris McMillan]

I texted her immediately and she texted me right back.

[Kirby]

She's the best. Ye Iconic is my favorite movie of all time.

[Chris McMillan]

Which one?

[Kirby]

Altmost famous.

[Chris McMillan]

Oh, yeah, Billy. Crud up.

[Kirby]

Oh my God, Billy.

[Chris McMillan]

Are you kidding?

[Kirby]

I know Billy.

[Chris McMillan]

One of my favorite human beings on the face of the earth.

[Kirby]

Huge crush.

[Chris McMillan]

So not as should be.

[Kirby]

He's a great guy.

[Sarah]

Wait, what did you just trim for Chris? What'd you do?

[Chris McMillan]

Yeah, we were just giving her her bob. Bob and bangs. Bob and bangs. I gave her a great bang.

[Kirby]

I'M sorry.

[Chris McMillan]

I gave her a good bob. Blunt bob.

[Sarah]

Okay. What do you think people get wrong most often when it comes to their hair?

[Chris McMillan]

Shampooing, Proper shampooing. People don't shampoo their hair properly.

[Sarah]

Do we shampoo it enough?

[Chris McMillan]

They half shampoo their hair. And this is just on shampoo day. You gotta all this. This is the hardest part to get is back here.

[Kirby]

You need to go under. Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

Really? That's. It's an application there and then another application there. And shampoo it twice at least.

[Sarah]

Especially if you're like only like a once a week shampoo type 3 times.

[Chris McMillan]

4 times is also. You want to get that lather, really lathering. And then condition mid length to ends. Put a little residue over the top because you don't want to flatten out your hair.

[Kirby]

If someone wants better hair every day and not just for special occasions, what should they focus on first? Cut, color or care?

[Chris McMillan]

Cut. Why it's always good to start with a good haircut. A good haircut will do all the heavy lifting. With a good haircut, minimal effort goes a long way. And I've always said that and I am a haircutter, but it's the truth. I have. I've been doing hair for a long time and I have the same clients, Mary Martin, who I've been doing since I'm 18 years old. And she is known for her hair.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

And it's her haircuts that people flip over. Jennifer Aniston gets her haircut once every six weeks maintenance. Like you get a facial, like you get your nails done. Haircuts do all the heavy lifting. With a good haircut, minimal effort in styling goes a long way.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Agreed.

[Sarah]

Any tips for hair growth?

[Chris McMillan]

Any tips for hair growth? You gotta cut the roses to make them grow. So a little trim doesn't mean you have to cut your hair. That's why I like bob so much. Bobs are great resets. Anywhere from clavicle to jawline. It's a great reset for bad layers. Bad haircut, bad color. Getting it all off. And then you'll be amazed once your hair is all evened up. It really does start growing fast. Faster than you think.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Chris McMillan]

So you're not stuck in your bob cut. Chrishelle Lim, great example. Bob started layering around her face. Now look at her. She's got such a great, groovy, sexy chic.

[Kirby]

I need to. I guess I just have not noticed because I just am so used to having a bob.

[Sarah]

Oh, there was like a whole. And then like I so many people were texting me about it too. They're like, you gotta get Chris to cut your hair. Cause that haircut he did on Christelle looks amazing. I was like, damn. Okay.

[Chris McMillan]

I love Chris Shell.

[Kirby]

Yeah, she's.

[Sarah]

I mean, she.

[Chris McMillan]

She's my little Sephora friend, so I didn't know her. I met her at the Sephora summit last year, and she was just sitting there and she was like, excuse me, sir, could you film some content for me real quick to do this? Yeah. She had no idea who I was. And I was like, of course. And then she was like, I love what you're wearing. I was like, I love what you're wearing. And so I'm like, hi, my name's Chris. And she's like, I'm Chris Shell. Nice to meet you. I'm like, oh, we're both Chris's. That's easy. So that's how it all went and that's how we met. And then all of a sudden, she got introduced to me and she was like, oh, shit.

[Sarah]

Wait. Speaking of what you were wearing, you were saying you always wear.

[Chris McMillan]

I always wear a white T shirt at the salon because you can always see everybody's hair. If I wear black T shirts, you can't see the hair, so I always wear a white T shirt. So if you guys always see me in a white T shirt, it's because it's kind of my uniform. I can see it's the backdrop to, like, I am your head and my shirt.

[Sarah]

What's your favorite white tea? Who makes it?

[Chris McMillan]

Kelly Cole.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Kelly Cole.

[Chris McMillan]

Kelly Cole.

[Sarah]

It looks nice.

[Chris McMillan]

He used to sell vintage T shirts on La Brea, and he just started doing planes, and so it's like, it.

[Sarah]

Really shows off your muscles.

[Chris McMillan]

Oh, you're so sweet. I do go to the gym every morning. No matter what it shows, we can tell that's good. That consistency on anything cannot. You can't go wrong.

[Kirby]

Chris, we love you so much.

[Chris McMillan]

Thank you.

[Kirby]

You're the absolute best. We love your brand so much as well. I truly. Every day.

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[Kirby]

Every single day. Will you be getting. You're getting into hair care as well at some point?

[Chris McMillan]

We are, yeah.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Chris McMillan]

We. We are launching a new product in March. So keep your eyes open and it's going to be very exciting and it's going to look really good. And partnering with Sephora, they definitely have a calendar and so a lot of exciting stuff.

[Kirby]

You have babies now. Little baby mini versions. I take them with me.

[Chris McMillan]

It's been really fun.

[Sarah]

Congratulations on everything. Thank you for coming.

[Chris McMillan]

Had no idea what I was getting myself into, but I'm here for it.

[Sarah]

We're so happy you did.

[Chris McMillan]

Thank you.

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[Kirby]

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[Chris McMillan]

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