B (2:16)

I want to see photos, though. Like, the pictures of, like, Kylie and Timothy in the back or whatever. Remember that photo that came out and it was, like, blurry, and it was them, like, in a backyard. I need photo evidence first.

C (2:26)

Totally going back to a point, though.

B (2:28)

Yes.

C (2:29)

This girl on TikTok was talking about her roster and she mentioned Devin Booker, and she was like, I Want them to run this back. Like, I think their end game. I think they should get married. And I'm like, dude, no, I'd be marrying Devin Booker.

B (2:41)

Why?

C (2:42)

I don't know anything about that relationship, but I ship her more with Jacob Elordi than I do with Devin Booker.

B (2:47)

Again, I. I feel disrespectful talking about it, but they do look beautiful together.

C (2:52)

No, I. I know, and I love that we feel disrespectful talking about it as if we know either of these people in real life. But parasocial relationships exist for a reason. It gives me something to live for at this point. I had a crush on Jacob Elordi then he, you know, was everywhere. Now he is the new ambassador for Blue Day Chanel.

B (3:13)

Which wasn't Timothy the last. A little Timothy ambassador for that? Yes.

C (3:19)

So going from one Jenner to another.

B (3:22)

So it's Lewis Hamilton next.

C (3:24)

Lewis Hamilton will be.

B (3:26)

By the way, I am such a big Lewis Hamilton fan. I have been for years and years and years. I could not love this more for Kim. I think that they are such a good pair.

C (3:35)

Did you see them frolicking in the ocean together?

B (3:37)

Yes. So he's, like, carrying her in the

C (3:38)

waves, smiling ear to ear. Looks so happy. This is what I want for her. This is what I want for little Skimberly Noel. Again, we don't know these people at all.

B (3:48)

Zero.

C (3:49)

I gotta. I gotta show some respect for my man, Blue Day Chanel. And you know what? This was perfect timing because I was using a lot of the products in the kit that Chanel sent over. Yeah, their eyeliner, superb. Their eyebrow pencil, love.

B (4:05)

I've been using the little quad eyeshadow palette with, like, the blue. That, like, you know, denim collection. Oh, so good.

C (4:13)

So good. I have on today several of the individual eyeshadows that came in the Chanel caboodle, if you will. And I was just like, they make good stuff. I have on some of the le. I never say that correctly.

B (4:27)

Which one?

C (4:28)

It's the water blush.

B (4:29)

Oh, yep, yep.

C (4:30)

So pretty. Anyways, if Jacob Elordi decides he wants to go on a podcast and Chanel.

B (4:36)

Chanel, if you have one press exclusive, you know who to call.

C (4:41)

Listen, it would be devastating.

B (4:43)

We'll get a bigger chair because we know he's tall.

C (4:45)

We'll come to you. We'll do it in a Chanel store. We'll. We'll go to him. But you know what? I think this is good for him because he wants to be taken seriously as an actor. This is Moving him in that direction where he's the ambassador for a high fashion design house.

B (5:04)

I also think it's great for Chanel.

C (5:06)

Oh, yeah. Yes. I love Timothy, my birthday twin.

B (5:09)

Yes.

C (5:10)

Right. Like, did you listen to the most recent episode of Amy Poehler? Good.

B (5:13)

Hang with Nick Offerman.

C (5:15)

Yes.

B (5:15)

Yes.

C (5:16)

So there's a group chat between Nick Aubrey Plaza and Jason Schwartzman. And I was thinking, who would be in my celebrity group chat?

B (5:24)

Yeah.

C (5:25)

It's literally like, me, Timothee Chalamet, Emilia Clarke.

B (5:30)

Oh, wow, you've got.

C (5:31)

Oh, no, hold on. Not Emilio Clarke. I've been blanking on a lot of people's names, which is actually, like, concerning to me. I need to go get, like, my brain tested.

B (5:38)

The only person I know who has my birthday is Joan of Arc.

C (5:42)

Joan of Arc. Someone was like, if I had my celebrity group chat, it would be like, three amazing people. And then they're like. And Saddam Hussein. I was like, there's always. If. There's always one.

B (5:53)

If Kate had a group chat, be Rihanna.

C (5:56)

Incredible.

B (5:56)

Kurt Cobain. Charles Barkley. Like, so many people.

C (6:00)

Born Outrigo. Also born. Or maybe the day before.

B (6:03)

Yeah. Anyway, I mean, it's a great. It's a great day. Congrats to Jacob. And congrats to Chanel Beauty.

C (6:08)

And congr. To Kendall Jenner. Girl, literally, I tip my hat. And I'm not even being facetious here. Like, I am dead serious. You. You deserve an award.

B (6:18)

Yeah. Her and Zoe Kravitz need to be studied. Yeah. What is.

C (6:22)

What is your chart? Give me your exact birth time and birth location.

B (6:27)

Also, like, what. What's the initial moves? Like what. What scent do they wear?

C (6:31)

Like, I feel like it's just hot. Not trying too hard because Kendall's a Scorpio.

B (6:37)

Zoe.

C (6:37)

I don't know. Sagittarius. I can't remember. This is why y' all listen to Los Angeles for the astrological talk, apparently. Sarah, we were once people that accepted things like this.

B (6:47)

Yes.

C (6:48)

But now I feel in my old age, I can't do it anymore.

B (6:53)

Okay, here's the thing. When brands used to send big moments to announce, like, a launch, and they'd send a fleet of dancers or whatever

C (7:03)

it may be, or a half naked

B (7:04)

mind or a half naked mime. We were in the office back then. Or, like, you know, it wasn't like a residential building. It wasn't a home. So it kind of made more sense. But then the influencers came, and then brands started sending these big activations to people's homes, and then that Also included us. It was just like a little embarrassing.

C (7:29)

I get embarrassed now. And that's why when we get outreach, like, hey, so and so wants to send this group of people to your home to deliver something, I straight up say, don't send me the product. I don't even need packaging. Send it to me in a brown paper envelope. Yeah, I don't need this whole bells and whistle moment. Yeah, I did love the road send ahead of Coachella.

B (7:52)

That was cute.

C (7:53)

It wasn't like, that was fun to me, but somebody didn't come. First of all, a really hot guy delivered it. And I even asked like, who is this man? Does anybody know?

B (8:00)

But he was just like the delivery man. And it wasn't like they cast male models, I don't think, to, like, deliver.

C (8:05)

I asked Rhode, I said, who was the hot man that dropped off this package to me? Is he single and available? I need to know.

B (8:13)

But famously, when Benefit Cosmetics asked us to go to France with them, they sent us a half naked mime and

C (8:21)

he did a little dance and didn't speak.

B (8:23)

Didn't speak. Not even no music even?

C (8:25)

No, no music. And while we love our Bennet babes, that was a time and a place that I will not be returning to, literally. Unless it's Jacob Elordi delivering me the

B (8:37)

new Chanel fragrance of naked miming.

C (8:40)

Not maybe. Listen, we got to put some respect on his name. This is an Oscar nominated actor. I don't want him in face paint and I don't want naked Chanel would never. I just want him to show up and be like, he here. And I would say thank you, hold

B (8:55)

my hand, sniff me, but no. So we recently saw. And I immediately sent this to Kirby Erica Taylor, who we love, former guest of the pod, Devil Wears Prada. And was it l'? Oreal.

C (9:11)

L', Oreal, who obviously has a big moment with the Devil Wears Prada. They're going super hard with this film. Okay.

B (9:18)

They sense like six models to Erica's house.

C (9:23)

First of all, giant people, like full

B (9:25)

fledged models, six feet tall, I think

C (9:27)

trying to look one of them at least. Like Andy Sachs.

B (9:30)

Yes, I think so.

C (9:31)

Like halfway clone.

B (9:33)

And she was wearing like sunglasses and

C (9:35)

like a brilliant blue. Yes.

B (9:38)

And they were in Erica Taylor's living room.

C (9:41)

And they were. They were also in a DT's living room. Like, if that many people show up to my house, you better be bringing hors d', oeuvres, a bottle of wine. Why are you here in my house? I'm sorry, I just. And especially for me, Like, I live in a very cute apartment building, but it's like, my neighbors would be like, what the hell?

B (10:03)

It would also be like, you'd have to ring the bell and then go up my elevator.

C (10:07)

Yes. It would just be too much of a production. I would rather you just send me an. At the end of it, I still don't know what they were dropping off or what they were delivering. Was it an invite to the New York premiere? I didn't know. Was it a product?

B (10:20)

I don't know. And obviously they're asking people for permission, so it's not like they're just showing up to these people's houses. So Erica obviously said yes, but it

C (10:29)

did feel a little awkward. Yeah. All the videos I've seen have been

B (10:33)

like, the dog is barking.

C (10:34)

Nobody knows what's going on. Like, they all just kind of, like, filter in there and stand there. And then. And then I don't even know what was done. Yeah. And we mentioned this brand previously as a brand, like, we're excited about, but I also was like, it's a no for me. Dog Wizard Wellness did this big thing where, like, the bus that was going around Indio and Coachella, they wanted to, like, drop by people's houses the week before Coachella. And I sure was, like, in L. A. Yeah. I was like, thanks, but no thanks.

B (11:01)

Oh, my gosh. If that.

C (11:02)

If not people to my neighborhood, I

B (11:06)

mean, the neighbors already think, like, what does this girl do? She gets 17 packages a day.

C (11:12)

Yes.

B (11:12)

And then I have had buses, branded, like, ice cream trucks show up to our house, and people are probably like, who does she think she is?

C (11:20)

Right. And I don't necessarily care if people think it's weird, but I also just don't want to be bothersome to my neighbors. Like, that's the bigger thing. So I'm kind of like. I mean, last year, Disney sent a branded Goofy movie van with, like, goofy people to drop off this, like, speaker with, like, a huge box of Goofy movie stuff. And, like, it was a production. Like, I had to go stand outside, and they, like, perform for, like, five minutes. Yeah.

B (11:45)

And you're like.

C (11:46)

And I'm like, this is so magical. But also, my neighbors are probably like, what are you doing?

B (11:52)

Sound like brats. And. But, like, we're. It is so fun and very obviously creative, and they're trying to just do something obviously that's going to stand out

C (12:01)

on social media and make a moment. It's kind of like when Poppy was dropping off all those, like, Poppy vending machines to people Remember?

B (12:08)

Oh, my God. Yes.

C (12:09)

It is like guerrilla marketing in a way. So I totally get it. I understand why it happens, but I'm not going to be the one partaking it anymore.

B (12:16)

Just, like, one person. It doesn't have to be a. I don't even want. You don't even want one. I'm okay with one person.

C (12:22)

If you need to messenger something, by all means, messenger it, but I don't want a production to receive it. I just. Yeah, give me the product.

B (12:30)

Because you know what? It is too. It's like you're like. You feel the need to invite them into your home.

C (12:34)

I feel weird.

B (12:35)

You want to offer them a drink.

C (12:36)

I feel weird. I feel weird. I'm like, oh, thank you. It's like, thank you, thank you. Oh, thank you. This is so nice. Thank you. Oh, and then you also kind of feel bad for them because they're like, take your shoes off. Right? Like, it is a no. Literally, like, people going into Erica Taylor's home. I'm like, take your fudgeing shoes off. Like, oh, my gosh. I. Listen, we're talking about it, so it clearly worked. But did it work? Because I still don't know what was happening.

B (13:03)

Yeah, I don't know either.

C (13:04)

Anyways, that's. That's a trend we've been seeing, like, one after the other after the other. People, brands, and things have been working overtime, like, covering all of these, like, in real life moments happening in people's homes. So go check it out if you want to see the other ones. Okay. I haven't miscontinued for today, which is going to lead us into some news. My miscontinued is Marc Jacobs beauty. I miss this brand dearly. Velvet Noir, my favorite mascara of all time. May it rest in peace. I have a giant one. I have two that are engraved. We got the cute little espresso set that one time. I still have my Omega bronzer, my Omega highlights, my cherry palette. So many. The lip, the gel lip, the new nudes collection. I miss it all. I miss Lamarck lip cream with the magnetic lid. It was so chic, and it was still affordable in a way. Right? And the formulas were so good.

B (14:01)

I honestly, I used the bronzer, like, last week.

C (14:05)

Yeah, I still bust out the bronzer sometimes. I still use that cherry palette. Sue me. You know what? My eyes aren't gonna be happy about it, but, like, I broken out. Listen, I wanted to use it. I did Velvet Noir. It had the best formula. It had the best wand combo. I just love the Component because it never rolled off anything because of its shape. You know, it was just. The brand was perfection. I know people were obsessed with the nail polish. I'm not a big, like, paint my own nails person, so I never. I stick to gels, obviously. But there were so many shades and so many products and formulas about that brand that just as a beauty editor was so sad when it just disappeared.

B (14:43)

Yeah, it was universally loved by all beauty editors and then also consumers. So it was like a shock when they decided to discontinue it if I

C (14:53)

had to put money on it. I think Mark was kind of like, well, you have Fenty now, Kendo. And, you know, there was that drama, that one year where Savage Fenty was going to be the last show a fashion week. And usually that's Mark's spot. And so he was, like, holding his show to try to keep people. Allegedly to try to keep people. He was, quote, unquote, running behind. And everyone was like, we got to get to Savage Fenty. Because, remember, like, Gigi and Bella were walking in was a whole thing. And so when his licensing deal was up, I think that he decided, I'm going to move on. And now this new deal is not under Kendo. It's under Cody. And this leads us to our news, which is we have a Marc Jacobs beauty update. It is coming back. We. We knew this. We knew it was coming back, but it was kind of TBD on when Sarah and I were invited to a press day on the 14th of April in New York. However, we don't live in New York. Also, we were in Orlando, wrong side of the coast.

B (15:58)

Yes.

C (15:58)

We were at Ulta Beauty World, so we were not able to partake in that. We were told it was very secretive. Editors that were invited could not even have their phones out.

B (16:08)

Yeah, top, top secret.

C (16:10)

All I saw was Jenna Rosenstein from Harper's Bazaar walking out with a bag that said Marc Jacobs Beauty, that said, I know something you don't know.

B (16:18)

Yeah.

C (16:19)

And that was it. And I don't know if she was even allowed to do that.

B (16:22)

Right.

C (16:22)

To be completely honest, I mean, it's been very, very under wraps. So the release date that we can now confirm that, because the brand has posted this on socials, is June 2026. And there was an image that was posted today, as of recording this, of Rachel Sennett. It's her eyes, which I feel like are very distinct. Yes. And it has, like, this really pretty, shimmery silver on the lids. And at first, when they were teasing it, it just said The Scene. And then today was released this short film. It's about Rachel trying to get an invite to the Met. It's from the viewpoint of her bag. And it's a pre fall 26 short film.

B (17:07)

She's like trying to get a hold of Anna.

C (17:09)

Yes. And she's going to places and doing things and trying to get Anna's attention. So at first I was like, is the collection going to be called the Scene? But now I think that was just like the short film. Yeah. As a prelude to pre fall 2026. But we have no other information other than that. We'll probably be getting more information within the next couple of weeks.

B (17:29)

But the attention was on the eyes.

C (17:33)

Oh, yeah.

B (17:33)

Like the first announcement. So it's like they didn't tag Marc Jacobs beauty or anything, but like, they

C (17:38)

were like, you're showing us something that's saying a lot. Right.

B (17:41)

Without saying anything.

C (17:42)

And obviously we talked about this a few weeks ago for his Runway show where obviously the makeup was all Marc Jacobs beauty. It was stunning, but, like, no indication of what packaging looks like. It was clear. Like everything was probably in a lab sample.

B (17:56)

Yeah. Dying to know.

C (17:57)

The one thing I did want to say is that the logo is still the same. Like the typography, the font is still the same. So it makes me wonder what is going to be the same. He was obviously able to keep the actual name Marc Jacobs Beauty and also keep that font.

B (18:14)

Yeah. I wonder if anyone from the OG team has now come back to work on this new launch.

C (18:21)

Well, I know that his right hand woman is very involved and like, has has been involved. When I went to do coverage of his show, I believe it was early 2025 or maybe even 2024, and we were talking about it and how I was like, I needed to come back. She was like, wink, wink. Yeah. She was like, it's in motion, like it's happening. So I know that she is heavily involved. I don't know, like Tara Loftus, who was a big part of Marc Jacobs Beauty back in the day. She went to Cetaphil, now she's at Bioma. I don't think she's returning for that. I'm sure she's like cheering him and them on from the sidelines. But yeah. Curious if anybody else that was like, very involved. I mean, Sarah Tano was an ambassador, but she now has house labs.

B (19:04)

Right.

C (19:05)

So it'll be interesting to see, like, who they end up working with. And I don't know if this is tea or like, insight, but the invite that we received was yellow. It was yellow with silver letters. So I was like, is this an indication of packaging? Is this an indication of shade range? Will we have like a bright yellow? There was a yellow moment at his Was there Runway show. Right. Or maybe I'm making that up. Maybe just because there was bright stuff everywhere.

B (19:33)

It was colorful for sure.

C (19:35)

It was very colorful. One more piece of news I think that's important to cover. Have you seen the Pat McGrath update?

B (19:42)

Yes. Please enlighten us, Kirby.

C (19:45)

Okay, so let's just do a little breakdown of what we have seen seen happen and then what is actually going on now because things have changed. There's brightness ahead, there's sunshine ahead. But I am a little nervous still. So I'm going to read this article from Allure. It says, Pat McGrath stays on as Chief Creative Officer after the official sale of her brand. But with Pat McGrath Lab's exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy, the legendary makeup artist is losing her CEO title and equity.

B (20:19)

So.

C (20:19)

So we all know this because we talked about this on the podcast a couple months ago. But Pat McGrath Labs filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and they now have this new owner, which is a U.S. based financial firm called GDA Luma. And they secured, I think, a $30 million investment from this brand. And basically they're going to come in and restructure the business so that it actually makes dollars and cents. However, that means that Pat is no longer CEO. She is Chief Creative Officer. This was also, I believe, a part of like the bankruptcy filing or like when GD Gda Luma got involved previously, that was like a part of their deal that she would stay on in a creative capacity and in this case it's Chief Creative Officer. But she would lose her equity.

B (21:09)

Yeah, doesn't sound like a great deal deal because basically she's, you know, probably getting a great salary, but then has no equity in the company. And while it has saved the brand, which is a win, I do feel like it's just kind of sad.

C (21:27)

Yes. I mean, obviously the statement here is, together, Pat McGrath Labs and GDA Luma are committed to a future defined by uncompromising quality, desirability and relentless innovation, reinforcing the brand not only as a trendsetter, but but as a house that defines the direction of beauty itself. GDA Luma said in a press release at the time of the initial investment news. The company looks forward to an exciting pipeline of product launches beginning the first quarter of 2026, driving renewed creative energy and commercial momentum across categories. Pat just launched the Lip Sculpt and shade contour duos, which are exciting to me. I think that this is like a relevant launch from a brand like hers. We haven't really had something like this from her in a while. I wouldn't say it's innovative. Double ended lip duos have existed, but at least this is in going the right direction. I also think it's interesting that they launched lips. I think lips are a really easy entry point for new consumers. Probably a little bit more affordable. And I think that Gda Luma getting involved is going to change the direction of the brand in a big way. You know, before Pat as CEO was able to make a lot of decisions and she also, you know, had financial investment in this company or equity rather. So she was able to dictate a lot of things. And I think now this is kind of saying like, you do what you're good at, which is creative, and we want you to stay a part of the brand because that's meaningful to a brand to have the, the name of their brand still involved. But you're not going to be dictating the financial decisions or your creativeness is not going to dictate what's going on here.

B (23:07)

Which I think, you know, we've learned from interviewing many, many a founder that like, just because you are a founder and the creative doesn't make you a good CEO. That's a whole nother brain and you know, set of experiences. But I wonder if, do you think there is enough incentive for her to ensure that the quality of the products, the success of the brand is up to par when she has no equity?

C (23:35)

I think it's hard because, listen, like, she now has this debtor in possession, right. Which means that they have all the money, like she had to give her equity to them.

B (23:44)

Right.

C (23:45)

To make this brand even survive. Right. I think that when you have outside voices like this that your brand's life is contingent on, it's going to be less about what you really want and what you really feel is like the true creative identity of your brand and more about margins and budget and, and making money. Right. Like, I don't think we're going to see another mothership palette for a very long time.

B (24:09)

They're like, I know you have enough. Right?

C (24:10)

There's enough of those A and B. A $125 palette in a world where people are not making pallets anymore.

B (24:17)

Yeah.

C (24:17)

Doesn't make sense.

B (24:18)

Totally.

C (24:19)

So I think we're going to see the direction change. They're obviously going to have to be giving input on like, okay, this is going to help us make money. These types of products are what people want to see. Where can we innovate?

B (24:30)

Yeah.

C (24:31)

Where can we really take a hold of the market in a certain way? But I think that it's going to be less about maybe what she wants. Yeah. In terms of, of her brand and more about the bottom line.

B (24:44)

Yeah.

C (24:45)

Because they have to at this point.

B (24:46)

Yeah.

C (24:46)

You know, there's a gun to her head. Like she's got to do it.

B (24:48)

Yeah. Honestly, maybe this is the best. Maybe this is what she wants. Maybe she's like, I don't want to have to do with any of the numbers. Like, I want to just be creative, come up with fun formulas and I need help. Like, I need you to tell me how we can make this work.

C (25:04)

Right. And I mean, like by filing for chapter 11. When they did, clearly they were like, we have to do this in order for this brand to still survive.

B (25:11)

Yeah, exactly.

C (25:12)

We've got to be able to pay our vendors and the people that are making this brand happen. So that was a good first step. I think we've mentioned this before. I do think the narrative around like bankruptcy being a positive thing is completely wackadoodle time.

B (25:25)

Right.

C (25:26)

Bankruptcy is never, I'm like, bankruptcy is clearly a sign of problems that need to be fixed. So I, I, I'm not here like looking at things through rose colored glasses, but I am very excited that it seems like they're on the path to reinvention, survival, and our greatest hope, absolutely thriving. Same like, let's get her back to a billion dollars because she was evaluated a billion dollars. Or you know what? Maybe, I mean, I've seen a lot of conversation too where it's like, maybe billion dollar valuations are not the valuation you actually want. Yeah, it sounds like a great number. But then what happens when you're a billion dollars and then nothing comes through.

B (26:06)

Exactly. How do you live up to a billion dollar valuation?

C (26:09)

You better be acquired or sell your brand for more than that. Right. Otherwise it's like you're a billion dollar valuation and you only sold for 500k.

B (26:20)

Yeah.

C (26:20)

What happened? You know? Yeah, I think like, if I was a brand founder, I'd be like, do not put the B word in front of me. I don't want to see it. I don't want to be there. I don't. And if you get $1 billion valuation that you better be like trying to sell within that year.

B (26:33)

Totally.

C (26:34)

Make it happen. Yeah, make it happen. Pat McGrath, we love you. I still want to try this lip product. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm eager. I really want like a cool blush moment from her.

B (26:45)

Yes, totally.

C (26:47)

And I know she has mascara, but like, I would like to see some mascara innovation from her.

B (26:51)

Yeah. Or I would love to see, like, her coverage products are like my absolute favorite. If there is another, like, if there's like a skin tint or something, please call me.

C (27:03)

Come on, girl. We want to see it. We want to see it. Also, I, I have to imagine she does have a good package now. Like, I hope so. I, I don't think there, like, your equity's going away. Like, there's the incentive. There has to be something.

B (27:14)

Totally. There's absolutely no way like, Valerie has is probably massive.

C (27:18)

They are taking good care of her, hopefully.

B (27:20)

But it's just. Yeah, it's just interesting. But we wish her the best and we wish Pat McGrath all the success in the world.

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