Natch Beaute’s Jackie Johnson Returns to Talk Blephs, Texas Glam, and Second Husbands

Summary

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Gloss Angeles Podcast Summary

Episode: Natch Beaute’s Jackie Johnson Returns to Talk Blephs, Texas Glam, and Second Husbands
Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Guest: Jackie Johnson (Natch Beauté)
Release Date: September 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively and candid episode welcomes beauty podcaster and comedian Jackie Johnson back to Gloss Angeles. The conversation flows between personal stories, hot beauty takes, the realities of cosmetic surgery, motherhood, life post-divorce, and navigating a beauty career in a changing media landscape. Jackie, always honest and hilarious, shares her adventures with plastic surgery, storytelling on TikTok, her iconic “How to Get a Second Husband” stage show, and why she has no plans to resurrect her hit podcast, Natch Beauté.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Jackie’s Grand Return – Life, Chaos, and the Joy of Realness

• Jackie’s energy is infectious as she dives into what it’s like to be back in-person with the hosts, her affection for their work, and the gloriously messy nature of motherhood.
• The conversation quickly becomes delightfully unfiltered, covering everything from the chaos of parenting to the cultural epidemic of grown men not wiping properly (03:01), drawing laughter and solidarity from both hosts and listeners.

Memorable Quote

"My son is the unbothered king. Like, I pick him up from school, and I'm like, I guess we didn't go over wiping today, but he doesn't give a fuck." – Jackie Johnson [03:29]

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2. Jackie’s One-Woman Show and Storytelling Renaissance

• Jackie discusses her ongoing one-woman comedy show “How to Get a Second Husband,” the catharsis and hustle of touring, and how sharing her life on TikTok feels like a new chapter (05:27–08:20).
• Inspired by viral storytellers, she’s openly discussing life events she never touched on during her podcasting heyday, even considering adapting her show for TikTok, referencing others’ viral-to-development deals.
• Audience impact: Both hosts praise how Jackie's TikTok stories made them laugh and cry. "She is such an incredible storyteller." – Sara [08:13]

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3. Cosmetic Enhancements: Jackie’s Blepharoplasty Journey (“Snatching the Face”)

• Jackie talks candidly about her decision to get blepharoplasty (eyelid surgery) at 40, prepping listeners for a transparent account of the research, the process, LA’s cosmetic culture, and what recovery really looks like (09:19–14:46).
• She names Dr. Z (Dr. Zumalan, Beverly Hills) as her surgeon—known for expertise and price ($12,000) (12:28–12:52).
• Jackie emphasizes choosing a qualified surgeon and avoiding bargain deals:

  “He told me, ‘I fix Groupon blephs every day.’ You do not want a Groupon bleph.” [14:13]

• Discussion expands to the broader cultural normalization of “lunch break” surgeries and the psychological aspects of facial work (15:29–16:13, 16:46).
• Recovery: “It wasn’t in any pain. I took Tylenol the day of my surgery. That’s it.” – Jackie [17:41]
• The prevalence of eyelid surgery and cosmetic enhancements, balancing transparency with acceptance of aging, and the double-edged sword of societal commentary are explored (15:29–33:00).

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4. Beauty Product Obsessions & DIY Brow Wisdom (20:16–27:00)

Jackie's Current Top Faves

• 1. Blepharoplasty (as a form of self-care and rejuvenation)
• 2. Beauty of Joseon SPF (white cap, Korean version): “Absolutely translucent… there’s nothing better.” [20:23]
• 3. DIY Brows:
  • NYX Brow Glue and Lift & Snatch Pen: Jackie’s hack—trim the pen tip to a single hair for realistic strokes (“the doll hair technique”) [24:32–26:12].
  • “This is actually product development now for NYX. They’re gonna have to make a version that’s just like this: one hair.” – Kirby [26:06]

Bonus Rec

• Labubu bag as a practical and adorable mom accessory (27:06)
• Shopping tip: Santa Anita Mall’s Shibuyala for hard-to-find Asian beauty products.

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5. Reflection: Cosmetic Work, Motherhood & Radical Acceptance

• Jackie discusses how motherhood (of a son) intersects with her decisions about aesthetic interventions and the nuanced struggle to accept aging versus wanting to look her best (29:04–30:24).
• Conversation around social pressures, dysmorphia, and why mindful consumption (not following surgeons on IG, etc.) is crucial for mental health (29:54).
• Kirbie and Sara acknowledge how public women can’t win: “If nobody ever did anything, all the comments would say is how tired she looks…” – Jackie [31:21]

On Doing What You Want

"That’s the thing—you just have to do what the fuck you want." – Jackie [32:46]

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6. Second Husbands, Self-Worth & Relationship Glow-Ups

• Jackie opens up about her first marriage to a narcissist and how it eroded her self-esteem, sharing the healing and affirming experience of meeting her now-husband Ben (34:14–37:38).
• She offers hope and advice to women navigating divorce and dating in their 30s/40s, celebrating how Ben’s affirmations reminded her she’s “hot and lovable.”
• “When you’re looking for your second husband, you might already know him.” – Jackie [35:54]
• Encouragement for listeners: “You deserve to be loved the way you want to be loved.” – Jackie [37:01]

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7. Upbringing, Texas Glam, and the Rocky Horror Picture Show

• Jackie shares how her mother’s unapologetic glamour and love of weird movies shaped her, recounting the infamous “sweet transvestite at six” Rocky Horror moment that contributed to her parents’ divorce—and her lifelong love of camp and confidence (41:53–45:16).
• Best beauty lesson from mom: "Your toes and nails have to always match." [40:15]
• Parenting differently: Jackie is now much more careful about media exposure with her own son.

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8. The Changing Podcasting Landscape & Natch Beauté’s Legacy

• Jackie gives a frank look at why she won’t revive her iconic beauty podcast, detailing how industry shifts (celebrity podcasts, shrinking ad revenue, production costs) have squeezed out independents:

  “I watched my checks get smaller and smaller… it ended up costing more than I was making, and it just didn’t make sense for my family.” [50:05]

• The Golden Globes' new podcast category sparks debate about who “deserves” podcast accolades in a celebrity-saturated space (53:00–53:51).
• Nostalgia and appreciation for her podcasting era, but no plans for a comeback—though guesting is a “joy” [54:39].

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9. Where to Find Jackie Now

• TikTok: @JackieMichelle (with one ‘L’)
• Instagram: @jackiemichellejohnson
• Patreon: patreon.com/JackieJohnson (“It’s kind of a secret club… The first episode was about why I stopped Natch Beauté and I get into the tea.”) [55:18–56:27]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On plastic surgery choices:
  "You pay the price… He is an absolute expert in the craft." – Jackie [13:11]
• On industry change:
  “The suits got involved. The way things work changed.” – Jackie [51:59]
• On confidence and self-worth:
  "You deserve to be loved the way you want to be loved. And if your partner is not providing that for you… wave a little red flag, sweetie." – Jackie [37:01]
• On “lunch break” surgery and the normalization of cosmetic tweaks:
  “My friend says, ‘the gateway drug of plastic surgeries.'” – Jackie [15:45]
• Cosmetic culture humor:
  “I'm going to get my hands full of my back fat, you know. Can I come with you?” – Jackie [32:52]
• On the emotional relief of leaving Natch Beauté:
  “Now guesting is so fun… I don’t have to worry about the emails and editing and all that.” – Jackie [54:39]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Content Overview | Time | |---|---|---| | Opening & Welcoming Jackie | Singing, chaos of motherhood, TikTok storytelling | 00:34–08:42 | | Jackie’s Comedy Show & TikTok Life Stories | Touring, viral storytelling | 05:27–08:20 | | Blepharoplasty Deep Dive | Research, process, surgeon choice, recovery | 09:19–18:47 | | Product Picks & DIY Brows | Beauty obsessions, brow hack tutorial | 20:16–27:00 | | Motherhood, Aging & Cosmetic Choices | Transparency, dysmorphia, doing what feels right | 29:04–33:00 | | Self-Worth & Second Husband Wisdom | Divorce, confidence, Ben’s support | 34:14–37:38 | | Beauty Upbringing & Rocky Horror | Texas glam, pageant days, family storytime | 41:53–47:13 | | Industry Change & Natch Beauté's End | Podcast economics, celebrity saturation | 50:03–54:39 | | Where to Find Jackie Now | Socials, Patreon | 55:18–56:27 |

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Conclusion

This episode is a warm, irreverent, and insightful conversation about beauty—inside and out. Jackie Johnson brings vulnerability, wisdom, and comedic honesty to everything from plastic surgery and the evolution of beauty culture to personal growth, motherhood, and the realities of creative careers. Her journey—from Los Angeles glitz to TikTok tea and from heartbreak to second-husband bliss—is both entertaining and relatable, offering inspiration and laughter in equal measure.

Transcript

[Kirby]

Thanks for selling your car to Carvana. Here's your check.

[Jackie Johnson]

Whoa. When did I get here?

[Kirby]

What do you mean?

[Jackie Johnson]

I swear it was just moments ago that I accepted a great offer from Carvana online. I must have time traveled to the future.

[Kirby]

It was just moments ago. We do same day pickup. Here's your check for that great offer.

[Jackie Johnson]

It is the future. It's.

[Kirby]

It's the present. And just the convenience of Carvana. Sorry to blow your mind.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's all good. Happens all the time. Sell your car the convenient way to Carvana.

[Kirby]

Pick up. Times may vary and fees may apply.

[Jackie Johnson]

G L A M Los Angeles.

[Sarah]

Hi, Kirby.

[Kirby]

Hi, Sarah.

[Sarah]

Welcome to Los Angeles.

[Kirby]

I think that I have to do this. Sarah, feel free to join in, okay. Because this is in honor of our guest.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay. Oh.

[Kirby]

Jackie Johnson is here on Los Angeles.

[Jackie Johnson]

You have a beautiful tone. It's giving Kacey Musgraves.

[Sarah]

That was.

[Kirby]

I was waiting for harmony.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm sorry. I was waiting for harmony.

[Kirby]

And she's Jackie.

[Sarah]

She's Filipina.

[Jackie Johnson]

Wow. You're right. I know.

[Sarah]

But I would get so nervous to sing in front of you. You have such an incredible voice.

[Kirby]

I was actually gonna put you on the spot and be like, sing, honey.

[Jackie Johnson]

I would.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God. Give us a jingle. Give us a jingle.

[Jackie Johnson]

I would sing. I would sing. More Unfortunate souls. Ursula is like. She's like my rising sign 100.

[Kirby]

I see it.

[Jackie Johnson]

I love her.

[Kirby]

I see it.

[Jackie Johnson]

Love her.

[Kirby]

We are so happy you are here.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm like kind of. I can't believe it.

[Kirby]

Why?

[Jackie Johnson]

Just because I was a guest when you were giving birth. I think the second time.

[Sarah]

Yes, yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

But this was a zoom. This was pandemic vibes. And to be like, in person with full glam on at noon on a Tuesday, we love it. This is a vibe.

[Sarah]

It's an honor. Thank you.

[Jackie Johnson]

You know, I'm obsessed with y' all both.

[Sarah]

I mean, we're obsessed with you.

[Jackie Johnson]

Obsessed, Jackie. I watch Kirby's social media content locked in. I Every word. You're so good at your job.

[Kirby]

Thank you.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm obsessed with your life because you make your life look so easy. I'm like, how does she do it? How does she have two kids? The Frenchie, the husb, the career and be glamorous every second.

[Kirby]

I know.

[Sarah]

Well, how do you do it?

[Jackie Johnson]

I don't, girl.

[Kirby]

Well, you know what?

[Jackie Johnson]

Today was chaos in my house.

[Sarah]

I mean, it is always chaos.

[Jackie Johnson]

It was chaos. My son was taking his shit when the repairman showed up. Cause a leak happened and the dog Is chewing everything up like it's chaos.

[Sarah]

Yeah. That's what I was telling my friend the other day. She was texting me. Kade was taking shit and I still have to wipe his ass.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, that's how Sandy was. He was like, mom, wipe me. I'm like, I'm so sorry, sir.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Ollie is, like, so senior now that he doesn't know when he's pooping.

[Jackie Johnson]

He just poops.

[Sarah]

So he was taking a shit. Then Zoe was, like, screaming to tell me to pay. It was like, yeah, that makes me feel better. A normal Tuesday morning.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

At what point do y' all teach your sons that wiping is very important?

[Jackie Johnson]

I think it's coming up.

[Sarah]

For me, it's coming up, but I just don't trust. I just don't trust.

[Kirby]

Because that's a conversation right now in the culture about how grown men are not wiping.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Sarah]

What?

[Kirby]

Yes. Yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

Do you remember that episode of Sex and the City?

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

The skid mark.

[Kirby]

Yes. I also remember that episode of Ziway when she's talking to Katya and she's. And she's like, it was accurate.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God. But aren't their assholes itchy?

[Jackie Johnson]

See, you would think, but my son is the unbothered king. Like, because I pick him up from school, and I'm like, I guess we didn't go over wiping today, but he doesn't give a fuck.

[Kirby]

But that's why, dude, wipes is a billion dollar business.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And they just launched flushable wipes.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Jackie Johnson]

Careful plumbing system. I know.

[Kirby]

Basically what we're saying is we are going to come up with a wiping brand.

[Jackie Johnson]

I do love a wipe, and I consider myself an environmentalist. And sometimes you just need a wipe.

[Sarah]

No, I love water wipes. But do you have a tushy like a bidet?

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, of course I do.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

But I'm talking about just in life.

[Sarah]

Oh, in life. No, I love a wipe.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Now that I've gone to the. Like, because of babies, I cannot have wipes. Water wipes. Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I sometimes have to sponge bath my kid with the water wipes.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm like, I can't give a bath.

[Sarah]

Right now or I'll use it to take my makeup off.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

All the time.

[Jackie Johnson]

They're wonderful.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Clorox wipes are my best friend on a plane. Sorry, but I have to have them. I wipe it down. I sanitize the hell out of it. I do have a recommendation for an eco friendly tushy wipe. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they literally disintegrate after you use them in water.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, I love.

[Kirby]

So I will be making that recommendation and putting it in our shop.

[Sarah]

My.

[Kirby]

And then what was the other way?

[Sarah]

Shit, by the way?

[Kirby]

I know. So I was talking about sharding on the last so episode. It's kind of beauty adjacent in a way.

[Jackie Johnson]

100%.

[Sarah]

If I don't get a good pooping in the morning, I don't feel good.

[Kirby]

Everybody should be having bowel movements in the morning. I'm just throwing that out there. Jesse, our producer over here, is probably like, can y' all stop talking about poop? Talking about poop.

[Jackie Johnson]

I think Jesse's completely unfazed.

[Kirby]

No, he's working. What'd you say?

[Sarah]

Poop?

[Kirby]

Yeah, poop. He just said poop. So he gets it. He gets it. I love that our listeners are like, when did we sign up for this? We did it. I understand. And Jackie's making her grand return to the podcasting world, and we're talking about this. But, Jackie, first of all, congratulations on your one woman show.

[Jackie Johnson]

Thank you.

[Kirby]

This has been a feat. You have been touring this for how long now?

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, I started in December of last year.

[Kirby]

Oh, really?

[Jackie Johnson]

Almost two years.

[Kirby]

Oh, almost two years.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Okay, okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

I thought you meant December of 2024. 4. Okay, there we go.

[Kirby]

Okay, so a year and some change. Okay, A year or almost a year?

[Jackie Johnson]

Almost a year.

[Kirby]

Almost a year.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I was gonna say. I was like, this is fresh. I thought you've been doing it way.

[Sarah]

Longer, but you've been working on it.

[Jackie Johnson]

For quite some time. I started writing it before I was pregnant and then kind of workshopped it while pregnant and then really workshopped it postpartum and then put it up when my baby was like a year and a half, I think.

[Sarah]

And you've been on the road.

[Jackie Johnson]

On the road, grinding, baby.

[Sarah]

Where were you?

[Jackie Johnson]

Just at Providence, Vegas, Portland, Dallas, Austin, Everywhere.

[Kirby]

Everywhere. Yeah, I've been everywhere.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I don't know what's next. Well, I don't know. As of this recording. Who knows? Okay.

[Kirby]

Because as of this airing, you will have just done your Los Angeles again. So how to get a Second husband.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's right.

[Kirby]

Is the name of it.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Which I need some tips because I don't even have a first husband yet.

[Jackie Johnson]

We go over that.

[Kirby]

Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Yes, that's right. I need to obviously be present in the audience.

[Jackie Johnson]

Sarah's gonna get the papers out. Yes.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

Sorry, Matt. Matt will be my first husband.

[Jackie Johnson]

There you go. Oh, that's how we go. That's how we jumpstart.

[Kirby]

That would be very.

[Sarah]

And then we really, truly will be like sister wives.

[Kirby]

Yes, 100%.

[Sarah]

Great.

[Kirby]

Then Jackie did something revolutionary for TikTok, and that was told her life story.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm in the process still.

[Sarah]

You're still going? It's only six. I need seven, eight, nine, ten.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's so hard. I don't know how people have the time.

[Sarah]

How are you, like, picking what each story is gonna be about?

[Jackie Johnson]

No, I'm not. I'm not doing it thoroughly enough. I'm sort of just going off the top of my head. I really do need to map it out.

[Sarah]

Every story is so riveting.

[Jackie Johnson]

Listen, we all have a book in us. I don't have this book, but, see, I think I've just been very inspired by the women who just sit in front of their phone and spill the tea on TikTok. And as someone who's been doing a very interesting version of that on stage, part of me was like, what's next for my show? It might just be doing my show on TikTok. I don't know, because Risa Tisa girl, she got a development deal. Okay. Natasha Raffo's playing her on Hulu.

[Sarah]

Did she?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. And I'm like, well, if I'm trying to get this done, maybe that's the.

[Sarah]

Way I texted Kirby, and I was like. Cause she was like, have you seen Jackie? I'm not on TikTok. And so I was like, I need to go on TikTok. And I texted Kirby, and I was like, I have. First of all, like, I was laughing, I was crying. I had to, like, redo my eye makeup.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, my God, what a compliment.

[Sarah]

And I was just like, she is such a incredible storyteller. You are just like. You are so good at what you do.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you. I'm really having fun. And it's also one of those things where I feel like I've been podcasting for years, but I've never really discussed a lot of the things I've been sharing on TikTok. I don't know why I was just. Again, I'm just so inspired by, like, all the people oversharing and, like, spilling their own tea that I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Now's the time. Spill the tea and tell the stories.

[Kirby]

What do you have to lose? You have everything to gain.

[Jackie Johnson]

Exactly. Maybe I'll get my own book deal. Maybe I'll get my own Hulu show.

[Sarah]

And it's Such an interesting story.

[Kirby]

And the comments are literally like, you need to make this a TV show.

[Sarah]

You need a sitcom.

[Jackie Johnson]

Write a book. But I'm like, girl, no books. It's TikTok.

[Kirby]

TikTok and development deal.

[Jackie Johnson]

TikTok. Two times speed. That's where we're at. Ban the beer. No.

[Sarah]

Not even two times speed. No, because we do need the TikTok because we need you telling the story 100%.

[Kirby]

Okay. Jackie, we always kick things off by asking people, what's on your face?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

In this case, what are three things you're obsessed with right now?

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay. Can one of them be my plastic surgery?

[Sarah]

100%.

[Jackie Johnson]

Because she had plastic surgery.

[Kirby]

That is a question. It's literally the next question. So tell us about your plastic surgery.

[Jackie Johnson]

So I'm 40, and I've always known that someday I was gonna snatch my face. I just knew. I knew from a very early age. I said, someday, I'm gonna, like, put this on layaway. So I've always been comfortable knowing that was gonna happen. I looked in the mirror a couple months ago, and I just noticed that I had a croissant on my eyelid. Like, I could tell the eyelid had drooped. I could tell that it was sagging. I could tell that there were several rolls there. And I said, I think it's time for that to go. And I had done so much research on my algorithm. By research, I mean my algorithm showing me upper bl. Process of getting them. Also, you know, I know a million women in LA who've had them. So it was very easy to just start reaching out and saying, hey, where'd you get your bleph? Where'd you get your bleph? And I got a few recommendations, and some of the. Some of the surgeons I called, they were like, well, they. We only do blephs when they're necessary. Cause it is kind of trendy some. You know, and they said, so send me a photo. I send them a photo, and they go, yep, you're a great candidate. I'm like, I told you. I knew it. This wasn't in my head. Cause, you know, some people are like, you look amazing. You don't need anything. And I'm like, listen, I'm not saying. Saying that's not true, but sometimes you just need a little, as I call it. So I went in, and I had a great consultation. I had several consultations, and they were so fascinating. I don't know if y' all have ever been to plastic surgeon's office, but one guy was like, is there anything else you're concerned about? I said, yeah, you know, I have a little, a little fat on my back from giving birth. And he, I showed it to him. He goes, oh, I could suck that out and put it in your hands.

[Sarah]

Hands.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I was like, girl, anything is possible in 2025.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Kirby]

That's what everybody's doing.

[Sarah]

I do look at my hands and I'm like, it does need a little.

[Kirby]

Suc because the facelift, the facelift trend.

[Jackie Johnson]

Your hands are beautiful.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you really do have like model hands.

[Jackie Johnson]

Gorgeous.

[Kirby]

Thank you. Oh, my goodness.

[Jackie Johnson]

They're.

[Kirby]

Wow. Tell me more. But all these women are getting facelifts. And did you see, was it the cut that did that article of the Forever 35 face? I was like, I hope that they like reached out to Kate and Dory for that title, but.

[Sarah]

Oh, right, right.

[Kirby]

Her like literally it's like this beautiful youthful face and then he has decrepit hands. And I was like, that's exactly right.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's gonna be everyone unless you get the fat sucked out of your back and put it in your hands.

[Sarah]

All right, writing that down.

[Kirby]

Laser resurfacing, microneedling.

[Jackie Johnson]

I always do my retin a on my hands now. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Yep, 100%.

[Sarah]

Okay. So you did your consultation?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. And the surgeon I ended up going with, he told me I needed a brow lift. He was like, you actually should get a brow lift. And he showed me like, if you snatch my brow up, the line did go away, but I just didn't wanna go under. It's so much more of a recovery. And I have a three year old, so parenting through recovery was just not gon especially cause my kid was coincidentally out of school the week I did this. Don't recommend. And he was like, okay, yeah. So he got double sided tape and he stuck them in my eyelids and he showed me and I was like, that's 10 years ago me. That's what I want. Yes, please. Where do I sign? So I did it. And honestly, 10 out of 10.

[Sarah]

Can you share your doctor?

[Jackie Johnson]

Dr. Zumalan.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Oh, where is he? Yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

Beverly Hills.

[Kirby]

Yeah, he's in Beverly Hills. He is one of the absolute best when it comes. So I have ptosis. I've been looking into him because he does amazing ptosis remedy surgery. He is one of the premier neoplastic surgeons.

[Jackie Johnson]

You pay.

[Kirby]

You pay the price.

[Sarah]

Do you feel comfortable sharing?

[Kirby]

Do you feel comfortable sharing?

[Jackie Johnson]

12,000.

[Sarah]

Okay. Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's good.

[Kirby]

That's.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's expensive. No, it is.

[Sarah]

I mean, it's an investment.

[Jackie Johnson]

You can get one for five, but.

[Sarah]

Do you want to pay five?

[Jackie Johnson]

No.

[Sarah]

No, I don't.

[Jackie Johnson]

I met with some surgeons, and I was fully felt great about them. I was like, okay. And then when I met with him, I just said, yes. Yeah, King. Yes, King. Yes, Daddy. What do you want to do to me?

[Sarah]

I don't even.

[Jackie Johnson]

Like, he's worth every cent, Jackie. He's an expert in the crowd.

[Kirby]

I've always thought you were literally one of the most stunning people. And if you haven't met Jackie in person, she's also tall.

[Sarah]

She's literally a model. It's no wonder you were doing pageants when you were seven.

[Kirby]

You look. And this is how I'll put it. You are a busy mom. Like, you work. You do all that.

[Jackie Johnson]

I do not sleep either, because of my puppy. Literally has stopped.

[Sarah]

You do look rested, but, like, Gary.

[Kirby]

Has nothing on you now because you look well rested.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm telling you, I would trust this man with my life. That's why I wasn't even scared. You do this procedure awake.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

And they take your blood pressure and they kind of assess where you're at. And I know some people, like, really have a panic attack and cannot do it. And I was calm as a fucking cuke because I felt so safe with this man. And it was. Was I paying high price? Yes. But that's because he is an expert. As Kirby's. He is an absolute expert in the craft. And if you're gonna have your damn eyelids sliced open while you're awake, it needs to be with the goat.

[Sarah]

Because, by the way, we've seen a lot of bad blephs.

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, he told me. He said, I rec. I. He goes, I fix groupon blephs every day.

[Sarah]

Yes. You do not want a groupon bleffs.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, no, no, no.

[Kirby]

You.

[Sarah]

I couldn't. If you. If I had not known that you had a bleph, I wouldn't.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'd feel like three weeks. It's still not even healed.

[Kirby]

It looks incredible.

[Sarah]

I would have been like, while Jackie's getting a lot of sleep.

[Jackie Johnson]

He was amazing. He was worth emptying my savings for. No, he's my king. Like, I'm like, can I put on a full beat and drive to Beverly Hills to see my king today? Like, he's so great. His office is amazing. Like, you kind of get what you pay for.

[Sarah]

I mean, you.

[Jackie Johnson]

So.

[Kirby]

And it is Beverly Hills prices.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes, yes.

[Kirby]

We're from Texas. Dallas.

[Jackie Johnson]

You can get a $5,000 bluff in Dallas. 100%. That looks amazing.

[Kirby]

My mother did. Because she had ptosis. They did. It was impairing her vision. Yeah. So it was paid for. It wasn't a cosmetic thing. It was paid for by insur. I think, you know, if she didn't need it for, you know, her actual eyesight, it would have been closer to like 5 or 6K. And that's when I. I mean, this is not just an LA thing, though. I think it's important to talk about this because sometimes people that are just tuning into this podcast, first of all, they don't realize Sarah and I are beauty journalists and been doing this for a while. They also don't realize that we're not just talking about what's trendy in Los Angeles. We're talking about, like, trends. We're seeing take over the entire US.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

And blefs have shot up in terms of cosmetic surgery. I mean, there's people 100%, like the society of plastic surgery has mentioned this, and it's because they call it like the lunch break surgery. You can get it done, my friend.

[Jackie Johnson]

Says, the gateway drug of plastic surgeries, too, which is kind of scary.

[Kirby]

It is. I wonder, though. I have this question for you. You mentioned when you were younger that you figured that this would happen later in your life, that this was not a qualm of yours. Did anything happen to you psychologically after you did this?

[Jackie Johnson]

No.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

But I was warned. And by warned again, I mean watch TikToks, that when you look in the mirror and you see a swollen, bruised up version of yourself, that it can actually be really psychologically jarring. But this, again, was a very low, minimally invasive procedure. I'm sure that, you know, you see those women that get their Guadalajara facelifts and they are so swollen. I can't imagine looking at myself like that. I will someday, though. But. But no. Yeah, I do feel better, though. And people that don't know, because I haven't publicly, as in, put this on Instagram yet. So only people that are on TikTok and kind of see me know what's going on. I keep running into people and they're like, what'd you do? They're like, did you do Morpheus? Did you do this? And I'm like, I did a bluff girl.

[Kirby]

I got a lot.

[Sarah]

So wait, how quickly did you recover or what was the recovery like for you?

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, you're supposed to. The first three days are hard because you have to ice all the time. And this is again, Dr. Zamalan's. You know, that's his protocol. I'm not sure what other, but you ice every 20 minutes off and on. Next day you ice 40 minutes on and off, and then you ice every 20 minutes for 60 every like out. And that's rough. Especially with again, a toddler and no child care.

[Sarah]

That's insane, Jackie.

[Jackie Johnson]

We had a flaky babysitter. That I is dead to me now because I'm a Scorpio and you do not fuck with me. Of all the weeks. No, I don't even get me started. It was also the last day of my kids school was the day before.

[Kirby]

Jesus.

[Jackie Johnson]

But you know Dr. Z, he's booked and busy. He. He offered me a date. I said, king, where do I sign? Like, yes. So it was rough, but honestly, it wasn't bad. I wasn't in any pain. I took Tylenol the day of my surgery. That's it.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Jackie Johnson]

So painless.

[Sarah]

And how long was the procedure?

[Jackie Johnson]

An hour.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Lunch break.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yep.

[Kirby]

Does he show you the skin that he took off?

[Jackie Johnson]

No. I asked and they said it had already been disposed of because I really wanted to see.

[Kirby]

That's fascinating to me.

[Jackie Johnson]

I asked if I could tell you.

[Sarah]

I mean, it was probably like little slivvies.

[Jackie Johnson]

It was necklace or six millimeter.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah, I think. But each eye was different. Yeah. Because that was what struck me with him, was he kept having. He kept looking back at me and looking at me and looking back at me and going, look me, look me here. And he goes, did you know one of your eyebrows is higher than the other? And I go, yes. It drives me nuts.

[Sarah]

We'll be back for that.

[Jackie Johnson]

He was like, I can fix that. Because no one's ever said that to me other than like the girl that does my bobo. She always helps me with it. Right. But I haven't boboed in a year. So, you know, sometimes you can just snatch it up.

[Kirby]

I'm looking at you. I can't tell. I honestly cannot tell that one is higher than the other.

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, I think he fixed it a little bit.

[Kirby]

He definitely balanced it. He balanced it. And that's what a good surgeon does.

[Jackie Johnson]

He's so good. Y' all like.

[Kirby]

And he's an oculoplastic surgeon. He specializes in.

[Jackie Johnson]

This is all he does. Yes, yes.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Jackie Johnson]

He.

[Sarah]

That's what you want to do.

[Kirby]

I'm so glad you saw him. This makes me so happy for you.

[Jackie Johnson]

He's the best.

[Kirby]

He truly is.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I ran into this girl a few nights ago. I was at Silver Lake Shorts, which is a fest. I'M with. They were all young and cool and I was sitting with this cool chick and we were chatting and because my best friend was with me and she was like, you look amazing. Oh, my God. I'm like, girl, that's what you do when you see Dr. Z. And she was like, Dr. Z, she goes, he did my lower. And we were like. And when I tell you her under eye look better than my three year old.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Jackie Johnson]

Incredible.

[Kirby]

He knows what's up.

[Sarah]

I feel like that's the next wave, the lower blood.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

And I'm seeing a lot of lower.

[Jackie Johnson]

Young women doing it too. But Dr. Z was like, you don't need it.

[Kirby]

No, you don't.

[Jackie Johnson]

He was like, you don't need it.

[Kirby]

No, no.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm like, well, King, I'll be back. I'm saving them now.

[Kirby]

And that's a good sur. That's a good surgeon. A good surgeon isn't like, okay, yeah, we'll throw it in, right?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. I'm telling you because I did see a few people that were saying other shit to me. And to me, that's a sign.

[Sarah]

Yeah, right? Yeah.

[Kirby]

It's a red flag.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

If you start feeling weird about something. I also think about this too. I feel like the three of us have good intuition about people. What about the people that do not have good. They cannot judge a character trait very well. Like, they're just like, yeah, I guess this person told me to try this and I'll do it.

[Sarah]

That's like the Sonia Dakar oh, God mess.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, girl, girl.

[Kirby]

Okay, wait, Jackie, I want to go back. So I love this bluff talk, but what I mean, people, you have sold out products for brands.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

What products are you loving right now?

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay. The number one in my life is the beauty of Joseon sunscreen.

[Sarah]

Okay? The og, the red leaf.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's amazing. I can't even believe that it's actually working because it doesn't sting. You don't feel it. It is absolutely translucent. I'm like, this has to be a scam.

[Sarah]

But the one, the one that's from Korea, not the one soldier.

[Jackie Johnson]

White caps only, white cap.

[Kirby]

Have you tried any of the ones that are now available here?

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay, because honey, it's all about the white cap for me.

[Kirby]

Right?

[Jackie Johnson]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Jackie Johnson]

So it's that, Okay? I go all the way to the Santa Anita mall and get that shit legit. I get it from Shibuyala, which is a, you know, Korean beauty store.

[Sarah]

I do love that sunscreen so much.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's like.

[Sarah]

It's really.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's. There's nothing better. I've tried so many others. Oh, my eye. Like, there's. They get into my eyes. They get into my mouth. I can't be rolling like that.

[Kirby]

No.

[Jackie Johnson]

So. No, you don't have time. It is that or nothing.

[Kirby]

The last time you were on though, you did say you liked the bloom effect sunscreen.

[Jackie Johnson]

I love it. This is expensive.

[Kirby]

This is her.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm on a budge now because I don't get free shit anymore.

[Sarah]

The stick, the oil, or what is it?

[Kirby]

Yeah, it's the dropper.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

It is a very beautiful sunscreen product screen.

[Sarah]

They need to send you to Amsterdam.

[Kirby]

I was gonna say this is your.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, I'm not really in the beauty creation content anymore.

[Kirby]

Make your plea to Kim Vanhasser right now.

[Jackie Johnson]

Take me to the tulip field. Sis, I'm here. I will put on my little wooden clogs and jump for you. Send me, sweetie. I'm ready.

[Kirby]

I think that that can happen.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay, I got a clip. Send it to her.

[Kirby]

No, we definitely be tagging Kim immediately.

[Jackie Johnson]

I will be doing the dance in the tulip fields. Okay.

[Sarah]

Plastic surgery.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. Beauty of Josan.

[Sarah]

Beauty of Joseon.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay. I am so mad that the Gen Zs are co opting the thin brows. I refuse to participate. I have finally figured out how to get hairs on my face because I don't have any. I have three brow hairs and I have finally figured out how to make brow hairs.

[Sarah]

Is this because your mom naired your eyebrows 100%.

[Kirby]

I have not seen.

[Sarah]

Sorry. That was so.

[Jackie Johnson]

My mom also plucked my eyebrows so bad. And it's also my fault too. But yes, I over plucked and ruined my beautiful. I had like the, you know, like Sandy Cohen from the OC eyebrows naturally. So I'm really sad, but they look.

[Sarah]

Very full right now. Tell me. Tell us.

[Jackie Johnson]

She's pulling out of her bag, so Nyx brow glue.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

This is the only one that will actually hold up heavy, coarse eyebrow hairs. I have four hairs and this holds all four of them up all day.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

I've tried everything.

[Sarah]

Fall is the perfect time to switch up your beauty routine. And Macy's fall VIP fashion preview is the place to do it.

[Kirby]

Okay. And this is great. So during the event. Event, you get 15 off beauty from all the heavy hitters. Lancome, Clinique, Estee Lauder, Armani, ysl, Valentino, Carolina Herrera, Guerlain, and even Sulwhasoo.

[Sarah]

Wow, look at you go. And pronounce all of those names correctly.

[Jackie Johnson]

Thank you.

[Sarah]

I personally love the Sulwasu balancing water. It is my absolute favorite.

[Kirby]

And I'm gonna pick up another Valentino Spike hydrating disco lip balm. Say that five times fast. These are so sleek. And I love the shade extra pink.

[Sarah]

It's really the perfect time to restock on your favorite serums or grab a new lipstick for fall. Or finally splurge on that fragrance you have been eyeing. Kirby, what are your fragrance racks?

[Kirby]

Okay, y' all know I love Prada Paradox, so I'll be picking up another one since it's on sale. Plus, they have the cute little tiny triangle, which is just secure, so I have to have it.

[Sarah]

And if you want to tie the look together, you'll find 30 off fashion from brands like Karl Lagerfeld, Paris, BCBG, and Avec Le Fille. Plus chican bags and shoes to match.

[Kirby]

This glam Macy's Fall VIP Fashion Preview runs September 25th through October 5th. You can shop in store or@macy's.com like we do. And don't forget to hit the beauty counter first.

[Jackie Johnson]

So there's this, and this is the real secret. So the Nyx lift and snatch, this has been around, but this is the secret. You cut it to make it one fucking little hair. Do you see this?

[Sarah]

So wait, it's longer. It's like.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's normally. Like. It looks like a little pen.

[Sarah]

Yes. Like a felt tip pen.

[Jackie Johnson]

But you cut it to where it is literally one hair.

[Kirby]

So it's micro.

[Jackie Johnson]

Micro hair. And you leave negative space in between. That's the other thing.

[Sarah]

You are a DIY queen.

[Jackie Johnson]

If you fill it all in, you know, that's a vibe. But that's not my vibe.

[Kirby]

I learned that from Nicole Concilio. I was like, why do my brows always look fake? And then I noticed in hers, when she creates brow hairs, there's separation.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. And I learned that on TikTok, too.

[Kirby]

I mean, God, school is. TikTok really is a great educational tool.

[Jackie Johnson]

It is. Just get a pair of scissors or a kitchen knife saved. Be safe. Be safe. Nobody cut your fingers off. And then, you know, send me the bill. Be careful. But you get the lift. The Nyx lift and snatch pen. You chop it to one little hair, and then you just. One little hair.

[Kirby]

So you're cutting it. Okay, I'm trying to visualize this. You're holding the pen upright, and you cut in the middle of it.

[Jackie Johnson]

Carefully.

[Kirby]

But you're not cutting off the top.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, no, no, no. You cut down.

[Sarah]

You need to do a tutorial of this.

[Jackie Johnson]

You cut down. This is the tutorial?

[Sarah]

No, but I need to.

[Kirby]

And you Learned this from TikTok I. Or you started doing this yourself?

[Jackie Johnson]

I saw somebody do this on TikTok a long time ago, and I thought it. I put it in my back pocket. But then one day I was like, I'm gonna. I can't get these brow hairs right. So I said, I'm gonna try it myself.

[Kirby]

This is actually product development now for Nyx, because they're gonna have to make a version. It's just like this one hair.

[Jackie Johnson]

Make it one little doll hair. Yes, one doll hair. That's what it should be called. The doll hair.

[Sarah]

Brow pencils that are really tiny now, but not in a.

[Jackie Johnson]

But we need that hair stroke. Yes, we need the hair stroke in a pen.

[Kirby]

Form one hair and look directly in your camera. Look at those brows.

[Jackie Johnson]

Nyx. Nyx, do you hear me? Call me right now. I will go to the lab. I will put on my little, you know, Laverne and Shirley. What's it called?

[Sarah]

Your Le Cap.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. Sorry. I'm perimenopause. I can't remember anything. I'll put on my cap, I'll put on my lab coat, and I will create the Nyx doll hair brow pen. The Johnson and Johnson here come up with that.

[Sarah]

The sister.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's right.

[Sarah]

The cousin. Sorry.

[Kirby]

Johnson, Johnson and Tan.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's right. Johnson, Johnson and Tan. So I'm ready.

[Kirby]

We. Absolutely.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's the secret. Just be careful, Be careful, be careful. Yes.

[Kirby]

Jackie, any other product recs that we need to know about?

[Sarah]

What else is in your little bag?

[Jackie Johnson]

I just brought a few things. I mean, I love it.

[Sarah]

Wait.

[Jackie Johnson]

Lift your.

[Sarah]

Can you. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

This is the. This is a Labubu bag. I just grabbed it real quick to show the tier. Tier is top tier. Okay.

[Kirby]

There's a pink one.

[Sarah]

What the hell?

[Jackie Johnson]

How.

[Kirby]

I don't understand.

[Sarah]

And I can't find my right shade in it. That's my issue.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah, sorry. No, I get it. It's. I'm very privileged. They always cater to my color.

[Sarah]

Yeah, but.

[Kirby]

But they work when you do find your shade.

[Jackie Johnson]

This is my exact color.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I.

[Jackie Johnson]

What is this? I have to pull it out.

[Sarah]

I think this is, like, the glowy one.

[Kirby]

They pull yellow, though.

[Jackie Johnson]

Like 21W.

[Kirby]

It's very hard for me to find one in my shade because I'm the same yellow neutral.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm a very neutral girl.

[Sarah]

I pretended right now, but. Yes.

[Jackie Johnson]

Good luck. Santa Anita mall, Shibuya, la. They have every single tier. Tier.

[Sarah]

I need to do a partnership with them.

[Kirby]

Sina and the mall. I'm going there.

[Jackie Johnson]

No. It's amazing.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God. Go with Jackie.

[Jackie Johnson]

You're taking me. You have to do a tour. Come out to Arcadia and see me.

[Kirby]

No, I will. Girl. Don't even tell me twice.

[Sarah]

Can you also just show your bag because it's just so cute. And all the labuboos and the charms.

[Kirby]

That's a very small labubu.

[Sarah]

It's new. It's the new one.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I would actually. I would be a guy.

[Jackie Johnson]

I do know a guy. I met a woman in a parking lot and she gave me the boo boo because I needed it.

[Sarah]

You must be really popular at pickup and drop off.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I had to stop bringing my purse.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you can't.

[Kirby]

Wait. I want the baby labubu. That's the only one that I actually find cute. They're so cute.

[Sarah]

And I think it's really the perfect size.

[Jackie Johnson]

Cause the bigger ones are getting. It looks like Gilly.

[Kirby]

It looks like Gilly, the Kristen Wiig character.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, wow. It does.

[Kirby]

That's what it looks like.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm gonna buy a little ghillie dress for it.

[Kirby]

Please.

[Sarah]

Okay, let's go back to talking about cosmetic enhancements. We talked about how if your stances change post getting your bleph. But also how has your stance changed since becoming a mom?

[Jackie Johnson]

Oof. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. I think I have a little boy, so that helps. But I have been asked that about, like, you know, what are you going to tell your son? And things like that. And he's three, so luckily I didn't have to deal with it yet. But yes, that is hard. Yeah, that is hard.

[Sarah]

Are you rethinking, like, your Botox or like. No, no.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Sarah]

Will you be open about it? Because, I mean, I'm thinking about all of this too.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. Yes. And that is a big, nuanced conversation. And it's hard. I really struggle with the radical acceptance of aging. Radical acceptance of aging. But also wanting to not is a struggle every day. And I think that's why I have to really find the balance.

[Sarah]

Totally.

[Jackie Johnson]

And dysmorphia is real, and it can also really take over. And so that's another thing. That's why I don't follow any plastic surgeons. When I see them, I try to scroll out. I'm like, I don't need this to be inundated in my face every second. So there is a Balance, for sure.

[Kirby]

I think this is a conversation, though, that women our age specifically are having.

[Jackie Johnson]

Right now because so many women are getting facelifts in their late 30s right.

[Kirby]

Now they're getting facelifts. But also this radical acceptance of aging.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Because I think it's easy for when you're younger to say age gracefully. You're lucky to be alive.

[Sarah]

That's a privilege.

[Kirby]

But then looking in the mirror and being like, I feel 20 and I.

[Sarah]

Look 50 or like I don't recognize myself.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

I don't feel like myself. I have been looking into getting a platysmaplasty underneath my chin because I had coolsculpting and I've lost some weight. And so I have like this muscle right here that has been pulled down and in my head I'm like, I don't want to change what I look like.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But I get Botox. Like I wear hair extensions. This thing is bothering me. It's not like I'm seeing somebody else got it and said, oh, I need to get this. It's just something that's constantly natural at me. But then if you talk to somebody else on the Internet or a commenter on the Internet, it's like you're promoting unhealthy beauty standards. So I feel like women just can't.

[Jackie Johnson]

Win 100% because, you know, if nobody ever did anything, all the comments would say is how tired she looks or how, you know, and I see them. It's so.

[Sarah]

Oh my God, you guys, I saw so Daisy Fuentes.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Incredible. Iconic former MTV host. She like came on to do the news or the weather report on like Good Day LA or something like that. And she looks fucking amazing. Yeah, she looks amazing. But of course, I go to the comment section and there are just these gross people, specifically men, who are like, wow, I really loved her during her heyday. And now she looks so tired or something like that.

[Kirby]

And I'm like, excuse me, she looks fucking incredible.

[Sarah]

How dare you?

[Kirby]

It's the same thing with Jessica Simpson. People are like, she doesn't even look like herself.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Because she's in her 40s now. She's not this 23 year old, sprightly pop star that you're used to seeing.

[Sarah]

And we saw her when she was.

[Kirby]

Like a teenager, a child, literally. So it is very bizarre to me to see people constantly be these women that we've seen for so long, constantly be criticized about how they look when they're like, oh, God, her plastic surgery's bad. I'm like, babe, she doesn't have any. She's an aging woman.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

That's what changed.

[Sarah]

Yeah. But then if you do get the facelift or do the things people are like, oh, God, she's just all plastic.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I think that's the thing. You just have to do what the fuck you want.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

What do you want?

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's it.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm mapping out my future.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm gonna get my hands full of my back fat, you know, but same. Can I come with you? I'm gonna brown lift.

[Kirby]

All come together.

[Jackie Johnson]

There you go. I really liked him too.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

His name is Ideal body and face. Dr. Justin something. Look him up. His Instagram's Ideal Body and Face. He's amazing. He's in Beverly Hills too. I loved him.

[Sarah]

What a name.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Ideal Body.

[Jackie Johnson]

I know he does a lot of like libo360 stuff like that. He was great. But yeah, listen, do what you want and just don't look at the comments.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

Maybe that's the key.

[Kirby]

What did your second husband Ben think about this?

[Jackie Johnson]

He was like, like, I don't really think you need anything. What are you talking about? And I said, you know what, King? You can have your gender affirming surgeries because Ben has had famously hair reproductive surgery.

[Kirby]

He has?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. And so I said, you've done your, like. Did he go to turkey surgery? No, he did it in the us this was a few years ago, before turkey was a thing. Okay, good for him. Sound like you did your surgery. This is mine.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I've never done anything else.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I've only had wisdom teeth extraction.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's the only other, like, surgery I've had. So I was like, this is my little moment. I'm 40, I'm gonna do it.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

And so he said, okay, make sure you go somewhere good. I'm like, bet King.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I'll go to the best, actually.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. I'm not messing around with these eyeballs.

[Kirby]

Okay. Now that we've brought up Ben, so we talked about how to get a second husband.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I wanna know, how did your first marriage impact your view of yourself? And how did your second marriage change it?

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay, I'm gonna cry.

[Kirby]

Please do. We love crying.

[Jackie Johnson]

So my. The love language that I like to receive is verbal words of affirmation, which makes sense. We're all talkers here. And my ex husband never complimented me ever, ever. And it got to the point where I would bring it up even like, hey. And he's just like, that's just not my thing. Like, whatever. And like now I know that he's a narcissist. Now I know that he was withholding my needs on purpose to give power over me and to control me. It whittled down not only my self esteem, but my self worth it. You know, all my little, my little voices that were saying, hey, this is fucked up like, were completely gaslit out of me. I was a shell of myself and I didn't even know that I wasn't happy because that's how bad it had gotten. I think I barely, maybe I don't even know if I met y' all when I was with him.

[Kirby]

You didn't.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I started to, I've always liked, liked the way I look, but like I just, he completely gaslit my self esteem out of me basically. And so when I got my divorce at 34, almost 35, I was truly thinking like my, my intrusive thoughts were like, I'm old, nobody's gonna want me. I live in the most ageist city in the world. How the fuck am I gonna find a husband? And I want children like I wanna be a mom. How am I gonna do this at this age in this town where these 40 and 50 year old men date 20 year olds. So when I met Ben, he is not ageist. They are out there, women, ladies, they're out there. He's not ageist.

[Sarah]

How did you meet him?

[Jackie Johnson]

We actually knew each other, but we were just acquaintances. And that's one of my tips in my show, is that when you're looking for your second husband, you might already know him. Because we know so many people by the time you know, you're in your 30s, like you might know your second husband already. We're all so, you know, fixated on new and shiny and swiping and finding. But you might know them, they might have been getting divorced, they might have had some good plastic surgery. They might have, you know, you don't know. But when I met Ben, he just was like, what did he say on my first day, our first date? He was like, God, you're so sexy or something like that. And I remember in my head my little voice was like, girl, you are like, you might have forgotten that, but you are like you have something to offer. You're hot, you're lovable, you know, and like I had to like really find that through therapy, but also like through again through him because yeah, that's what.

[Sarah]

You deserve to hear that.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I, and I knew that but like that had been completely gaslit out of me. Like I'M worth it. I'm lovable. Like, I'm pretty. Like, all those things.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Oh, I'm crying.

[Jackie Johnson]

Why y' all messing up my beat? Why y' all messing up my beat? I did my makeup for y'. All.

[Kirby]

I love this for you, Jackie.

[Jackie Johnson]

I really do. This is.

[Kirby]

I'm coming to your show.

[Sarah]

Every woman deserves that, by the way.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes, 100%. Every person. You need to be loved the way you want to be loved. And if that. Your partner is not providing that for you, you need to talk to them about that. If they're weird about it.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

Wave a little red flag, sweetie. It's not that hard.

[Kirby]

Shout out to Ben for literally saying, you are so sexy on a first date. I'd be like, take my pants off.

[Jackie Johnson]

I kept him on, but good for you, girl.

[Kirby]

And also, if y' all aren't following him, please follow him.

[Sarah]

One of the best follows, for sure.

[Kirby]

One of the absolute best follows. I get all of my political information from him.

[Jackie Johnson]

He has become a social media star.

[Kirby]

He's amazing.

[Jackie Johnson]

In the. In, like, the last two years, I.

[Sarah]

Had the two of you.

[Jackie Johnson]

That wasn't even a plan.

[Kirby]

If you want a. No.

[Jackie Johnson]

I used to be recognized. I used to be the one, and now when I go out with him, he gets recognized. People, like, burst into tears and shit.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God. Really?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

You're both doing important work in your own ways.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

But he.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm changing the world.

[Kirby]

You are changing the art. But he's helping disseminate information that needs to be shared in terms of our.

[Sarah]

Political climate in a really incredible way.

[Jackie Johnson]

Don't you love the role of political wife? For me? Yes. Like, did we see that coming?

[Kirby]

Jackie? Yes. Actually, more like, I'm named after Jackie J.

[Sarah]

Are you?

[Jackie Johnson]

Are you. I'm named after Jackie Kennedy. Yeah.

[Sarah]

See, this was.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God.

[Sarah]

Your destiny, babe. This was your destiny.

[Kirby]

Okay, well, I really appreciate you getting vulnerable and sharing that story, because I think a lot of women listening to the podcast need to hear that.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Especially me. Thank you. Cause I'm like, oh, my God. Like, is this used goods over here? Like, am I ever gonna find a guy? But I. I now have hope because you found me.

[Jackie Johnson]

You need to come.

[Kirby]

I'm. No, I'm gonna come.

[Jackie Johnson]

You're gonna.

[Kirby]

I am.

[Jackie Johnson]

You're gonna be one of my. One of my disciples.

[Kirby]

I'll be front row center, taking little notes.

[Jackie Johnson]

You'll be waving red flags. Yes. I love it.

[Sarah]

I love it. Kirby has still not seen parts five and six of your life. Story.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I'm devastated.

[Jackie Johnson]

She's busy.

[Sarah]

I know. So you talk about being in pageants. You talk about your mom doing your makeup?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Oh, God, the spit. Using her spit to do a cut crease.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Sarah]

I have gone like this and wiped out. I can't do that.

[Jackie Johnson]

She's gonna be in therapy in her 30s doing, like, EMDR, trauma recovery, and she's gonna be like, spit. I'm all spit.

[Sarah]

I can't do that.

[Jackie Johnson]

Get the water wipes. Yes.

[Sarah]

Is there something, though, that you learned from her or in your pageant years, like, the best piece of beauty advice.

[Jackie Johnson]

Ooh, that's good. That's the one thing. Like, my mom is a glamour girl. Like, girly down will not leave the house without the big hair, the lip, the nails. Like, she's a beauty down. And when I was little, my favorite thing was sitting in her caboodle and just opening everything, putting it on, that kind of thing. My mom's number one beauty rule is your toes and nails have to always match. That is her thing. Like, if I would come over, she'd be like, what color are those toes? You know, like, that's, like, her old school. She's very old school. I don't adhere to that. That was just what popped into my head for beauty. Let's see.

[Sarah]

She'd be proud of me.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Sarah]

My toes and my nails match.

[Jackie Johnson]

I think just the idea of glamour. Like, the idea of being, like, a glamorous woman. All from my mom. I love that. Just, like, all her cool jewelry, all her clothes, all her hair, everything. Just like, the idea of, like, you are a glamour queen.

[Sarah]

So even throughout the hardships, everything that she went through, like, she still always put on a face.

[Jackie Johnson]

Always, always, always. And my sister does it, too. And I can't relate.

[Sarah]

Is your sister in Texas?

[Kirby]

Amazing.

[Jackie Johnson]

But she does, like, literally hot rollers every day just to go to Trader Joe's. Even postpartum.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Jackie Johnson]

She had babies on the tits, and she's sitting there doing her hair, and I'm like, I. I don't even own hot rollers.

[Kirby]

That's me, either.

[Sarah]

Impressive.

[Kirby]

Which is crazy for a Texas.

[Sarah]

Yeah. You guys, come on.

[Kirby]

We gotta get it. No, literally, we are. We are there. I feel like Jackie and I could have, like, a whole dissertation on being reformed. Texas.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, it's getting worse there.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

Because I know through bed, they just took the.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

I know.

[Sarah]

Politically.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes, totally. Yes.

[Kirby]

That's what I.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes, well, climate, too.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

No shade, though.

[Kirby]

No love where we're from.

[Jackie Johnson]

But I would never live there, which is why I have been gone for 20 years.

[Kirby]

Yes. Same, same. Did you go.

[Jackie Johnson]

You come see me if you need a plan B. If you're watching this, you DM me, you come visit.

[Kirby]

We'll send you some Julies.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

No, literally, we'll. We'll. Julie needs to be making, like, a huge roundabout in Texas.

[Jackie Johnson]

Like, the. The.

[Kirby]

That needs to happen.

[Sarah]

Just doing, like, drops.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

All right. So you have your life story going on on TikTok. One thing that you mentioned was a contentious moment between you and your father was around Rocky Horror Picture Shows.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

And when this airs, it will be the 50th anniversary of Rocky Horror.

[Jackie Johnson]

That is wild.

[Kirby]

Will you recount for our listeners that maybe haven't seen your life story what happened?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. So my mother just had a different parenting style than most. Her parenting style was my kid can watch whatever I'm watching. And I think it was more just to not inconvenience herself. But I really think she was excited to show us this movie because it was such an important movie to her. My mom loves, like, weird goth stuff. She always roots for the villain. Like when I sang Ursula earlier, like, my mom had an Ursula McDonald's toy, like, in her bathroom. She loves Ursula. She loves Cruella de Vil. She just loves, like, cool villain ladies and, like, whatever. So she. I was 6 maybe, and my mom was like, you need to see this movie. So one night when my dad wasn't home, she puts in the vhs. And my sister and I were just enthralled. We were enthralled. The music, the costumes, everything. And there are some very adult themes in that movie that we didn't really get. But my mom was one of those ladies who, if I asked her, she'd just tell me. It's like, you know, a little problematic, but we were obsessed. And then she got us the VHS tape of the soundtrack. And I would just listen to it on repeat and sing and sing and sing. And one day, my dad was doing the dishes in the kitchen. And I walk in the kitchen, and with. I still had this voice as a kid. I had a deep voice as a little girl. I walk in the kitchen and I go, I'm just a sweet transvestite, 6 years old. Belted it, and I swear, my dad had a dish in his hand. And he looked at me and he dropped the dish and it broke on the floor. And he said, where did you hear that? And I knew immediately that mom was in trouble.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I was like, what? Do you mean? I heard it at school. Where'd you hear it? Like, he, like. And so I said this tape over here and he crushed the tape. And I know that was a big screaming match, you know, and I really think that was like the straw broke the camel's back and started my parents divorce process. No, I'm not. There was a lot of shit going on. No, no, no. I don't feel like. I know it's not my fault, but it was. This was just a big point of contention. They were not meant to be together. That was it. They just were not meant to be together. But that movie has always been huge in my life. And my mom took me to the screenings of it with all the people in the lingerie when I was a little kid throwing the bread at the screen. I don't know if y' all have ever been to a Rocky Horror screening. No.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

They're really interactive.

[Kirby]

The one here in LA at midnights on Saturdays. Have you been to that? No, I haven't either.

[Jackie Johnson]

I've been to ones in Texas when I was a kid, but they're very same vibe. They like, squirt you at certain parts with water and like, it's very interactive and stuff. But then the movie came out on Blu Ray and I watched it in Blu Ray and it's like a whole other vibe because you can see, like, you can see Tim Curry's stubble, like, seeping through his white Krylon makeup. And it's just like, it makes the movie even more exciting to me because he's my favorite. Like, if I could. If you could say, Jackie, we are gonna remake any movie in the world. You get to be the star. I would be Frank N. Furter in Rocky Horror. Like, without a doubt. It is my dream role.

[Sarah]

And you could do it on the spot.

[Jackie Johnson]

That's right. Get the makeup, get the wig. Yes. I'm just obsessed and enthralled. And to me, that's the best performance of anyone in any movie ever. And it informed who I was. So even though it caused my parents divorce, it was worth it because that movie is like. It just informed me as a person in every way.

[Kirby]

What? Give us an example though.

[Jackie Johnson]

Like, I think the campiness. The campiness, the humor, the glam, the singing, the clothes.

[Kirby]

It really is you.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. Just the confidence. And again, like, Frank N. Furter is just that girl.

[Sarah]

Did your sister also feel this way?

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. She was really into Columbia, which. I'm also really into Columbia too. Like the little tiny harlequin eyebrow. Talk about A tiny eyebrow. Gen Z, look up Columbia for Rocky Horror. If you want to see a real little eyebrow, sweetie, it's giving Aaron Parsons. Which, by the way, you know, Aaron Parsons stitched me. Yes. That was a big day.

[Kirby]

That was a big day.

[Jackie Johnson]

That was a big day.

[Kirby]

Do you know that she lives in LA now?

[Sarah]

No.

[Jackie Johnson]

I know she moved to California, but I didn't know where are you gonna get her on la?

[Kirby]

I think she is in la, but we. I mean, we need to have her in the studio immediately.

[Jackie Johnson]

And I'll just walk by when she's here.

[Kirby]

I mean, that was a big deal.

[Jackie Johnson]

Kinda bestie.

[Kirby]

That was a big deal that she stitched you.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. I died.

[Kirby]

Why would. Remember what was it? It was a lipstick.

[Jackie Johnson]

Hard candy. Hard candy lipstick? Yeah. Again, my mom, she took me to Neiman Marcus, the flagship in Dallas, which is unfortunately now gone. And she said, pick one thing. And I picked a hard candy lipstick. And I swear to God, it was trailer trash and it was pink, but Aaron found it and it's silver. So what I'm thinking happened was my sister bought that one and I bought the pink one. But we still don't know what the name of the pink one is figured out.

[Sarah]

Aaron Parsons still has some work to do.

[Kirby]

We need to ask Jeannie.

[Sarah]

Yes. Oh my God. That's a wish.

[Kirby]

Jeannie created and developed hard candy. So we'll ask her.

[Sarah]

She probably still has it. When will you let your son watch Rocky Horror Picture Show?

[Jackie Johnson]

Oof.

[Kirby]

This year?

[Jackie Johnson]

That's a good question. I'm gonna have to ask Chatgpt.

[Kirby]

It is the 50th anniversary this year. Set him in front. See what he does.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, no, no. I'm extremely, I think again, us millennials, like we re parent ourselves, you know, our children. So I'm really, really conscious of what he consumes. Like he has some pajama pants with Lion King on them that had been passed down. And he was like asked me about them and I. So I just showed him Hakuna Matata. That's it?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

And he liked it. But I'm like, I'm not putting you in front of this movie, you know, until he's old enough. And I'm trying to do like low stimulation content for him as much as I can. Cause again, that's like one of my traumas is like being exposed early to things I shouldn't have seen. So I'm reparenting him, trying to keep him as innocent as possible.

[Kirby]

What traumatized you most? Watching as a child?

[Jackie Johnson]

High cemetery.

[Kirby]

Okay. That is traumatizing.

[Jackie Johnson]

And the Exorcist.

[Kirby]

You watched that as a child, Jackie?

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, fifth grade. But I was really young when I saw Pet Sematary. And to be fair, my mom said, you cannot watch this. So she went and watched it in her room, and me and my sister stood at her door where she couldn't see and watch through the crack. Yeah, and that movie fucked me up.

[Kirby]

Is that why you're vegan now?

[Jackie Johnson]

No, but it's why I'm scared of anything dead. So, like, if there's, like, a dead bird on the street, I'm like, it's gonna come back to life and kill me, like it was. And my mom buried all our pets in the backyard, which I haven't gotten to. Oh, jeez. My mom Buried all our Pets in.

[Sarah]

The backyard, Part seven.

[Jackie Johnson]

So I was like, oh, Rocky, our bo. Our, you know, bull terrier, he's gonna walk around in the middle of the night and, like, kill me or something. So it just was a bad combination. But I'm a firm believer of, like, don't let your kids watch.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Traumatizing stuff.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. Really be conscious of that.

[Kirby]

It is traumatizing. I'm sorry.

[Jackie Johnson]

I know it is.

[Kirby]

When Mufasa dies.

[Jackie Johnson]

No, it's. It's.

[Kirby]

So I rewatched it recently. I'm like, what the hell were we watching?

[Jackie Johnson]

It's really visceral.

[Sarah]

Zoe has watched it now she's almost five, but she asks if we do watch it. To fast forward to that part, I agree.

[Jackie Johnson]

I put on Finding Nemo because some of the neighbor kids were like, oh, he should watch that.

[Sarah]

Also traumatized in the very beginning.

[Jackie Johnson]

No. The whole movie.

[Kirby]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's very stressful, anxious movie. I was just like, honey Disney, what are you smoking? Like, can we have a little bit more anxiety? No. Literally.

[Sarah]

And then also, there's only one parent, usually. I mean, this is like. Everyone knows that.

[Kirby]

Yeah, the Chipmunk movie. When the Chipettes find the baby penguin and have to sing about its mother. Don't even get me started.

[Jackie Johnson]

I literally, Dumbo. Dumbo.

[Kirby]

No. No, we will not be talking about Dumbo. Literally. It makes me. I will cry anytime I see a TikTok about Dumbo. I'm like, no.

[Jackie Johnson]

Scroll.

[Kirby]

Not this.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't need that today.

[Kirby]

I'm not doing this. Disney, y' all have traumatized us for too long.

[Jackie Johnson]

But I really hope Sandy likes it someday.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

The music.

[Kirby]

Beautiful.

[Jackie Johnson]

Touch it. Touch it. Touch it. Touch me.

[Kirby]

Oh, you mean. Oh, Rocky Horror.

[Jackie Johnson]

Rocky Horror. Yes. I'm sorry.

[Sarah]

No, sorry.

[Kirby]

He will.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. Oh, of course he'll watch Lion King. Of course he'll watch lion king.

[Kirby]

When he's 10, he'll be like Frank N. Furter for the school parade at Halloween.

[Jackie Johnson]

I would love that song.

[Sarah]

Going to school in la.

[Kirby]

I'm like, oh, yeah, it's inevitable.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it's inevitable.

[Kirby]

Okay. Okay, last question. We can't leave without talking about Natche Beaut.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

At one point, you were the number one beauty podcast.

[Sarah]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Kirby]

Would you ever revisit it?

[Jackie Johnson]

No.

[Kirby]

Okay. Why not?

[Jackie Johnson]

Because, as y' all know, this industry has changed. And I'm really fortunate that when I got into the game, it was set up for success, for unknowns, for independent alt comedians. It was just set up that way. Now, who has the top podcast in the world? Travis Kelce, Amy Fuller. No Shade to Our King. But he did change our industry forever with the biggest deal that's ever been written, and he wasn't missing any meals before that. So I'm just saying things are a little different now. Yeah. So if, let's say I became really, really famous and successful and I could get a deal like that, maybe. But I watched my checks get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and it was getting to the point where I'm paying someone to watch my child for me, and then it was ended up costing more than I was technically making, and it just didn't make sense for my family anymore. It's sad because I do love the medium and, like, had such a good time doing it and I was good at it.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you were.

[Kirby]

You were.

[Jackie Johnson]

So. It is unfortunate, but this is where I get my beauty talk now.

[Kirby]

It's why we don't rely on mid or pre roll ads anymore.

[Jackie Johnson]

Right?

[Kirby]

Like, no, literally, when we get emails about mid and pre roll, we're like, yeah, we're good. We don't need it.

[Jackie Johnson]

Oh, I love that.

[Kirby]

Because our seating program and that's how we pay the bills around here. But it. You are so right. Like, we've seen it in the. I mean, we've been doing this six years now, and it's drastically changed. I mean, bat mascara is now gone.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes. Everyone's dropping like flies.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I mean, yeah, Mark Marin's had enough.

[Kirby]

Yeah. When Marc Maron's like, I'm done. I'm like, okay, are we next?

[Jackie Johnson]

He's not. He's not famous enough anymore.

[Kirby]

Which is so crazy.

[Jackie Johnson]

It all started happening over the pandemic. I think the celebrities were bored and they Were like, hey, how can I, like, become relevant and stay relevant? Oh, I could steal money out of the pockets of independent creators. It's not even their fault. It's not even their fault.

[Kirby]

It's not.

[Jackie Johnson]

The suits got involved. The way things work changed.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's hard.

[Kirby]

And I do have to say, Amy Poehler's podcast, it's so good.

[Jackie Johnson]

It is good.

[Kirby]

It's a joy.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

I may be taking this out. Is there is one episode that I did not listen to all the way through. I've listened to all of them all the way through. No, I loved that one. I loved that one.

[Sarah]

Which one?

[Kirby]

Judge Judy.

[Sarah]

Oh, I listened to it.

[Kirby]

Should I keep going? I have 25 minutes left.

[Jackie Johnson]

Not everybody is a good interview.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Jackie Johnson]

And you gotta kind of roll with it sometimes. Totally.

[Sarah]

And she did say so herself that she, like, doesn't ever really do interviews.

[Kirby]

I respect Judge Judy on a deep cellular level. She's so successful, but I did not find her interview worth.

[Sarah]

You want a little bit more.

[Jackie Johnson]

I get that.

[Sarah]

A little bit more from Judge Judy.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I get it 100%.

[Jackie Johnson]

But, yeah, step your pussy game up, Judge Judy.

[Kirby]

And now, you know, the Golden Globes has a category.

[Jackie Johnson]

Stop for podcasting. Stop what?

[Sarah]

And you have to be a celebrity. What's the.

[Kirby]

So that's been the conversation. Who can submit?

[Jackie Johnson]

Can we do an FYC campaign for Los Angeles where we get y' all billboards?

[Kirby]

FYC fucking billboards.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

And then we beat Amy Poehler and smartless.

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, hey, you've been doing it longer.

[Kirby]

But this is the thing that's what people are talking about is, is who's gonna be in the category. Right. And that's why a lot of them.

[Jackie Johnson]

Can'T afford to be in it other than them.

[Kirby]

But that's why. That's why a lot of people are, like. If we don't see, like, Joe Rogan in there or, like, people that are, like, a part of the podcast ecosystem that are not truly celebrities because, like, granted, I guess Joe Rogan is a celebrity now, but.

[Jackie Johnson]

Right.

[Kirby]

He's not an A list celebrity like Jason Bateman.

[Jackie Johnson]

Right.

[Kirby]

You know what I mean? Or Amy Poehler. So who's gonna be in this category? Is it Dax? Amy? The smartless guys? It'll be Travis Kelce and Travis Kelce. Yeah. Because they'll want Taylor Swift to get there.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Oh, God.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I know.

[Jackie Johnson]

Well, I'm putting up y' all spillboard.

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Kirby]

We would love to speak to anyone that wants to help us campaign for that. That would be literally hilarious.

[Jackie Johnson]

We could send everybody, like, a makeup bag of stuff.

[Kirby]

I would actually be voting for Matt Bellany and the town. That's my vote.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

It's a Hollywood centric podcast. People listen to it.

[Jackie Johnson]

There you go.

[Kirby]

Let's do it. Yeah, let's go.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm going. Las culturistas always.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie Johnson]

No.

[Kirby]

Las culturistas. They've been doing it longer than anyone.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

If they're not in the category, that. That would make sense.

[Kirby]

It would be a joke if they were not included. Matt and Bowen, we love you.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

I almost wore my little diva head come off hat.

[Kirby]

No, I really wish you would have.

[Jackie Johnson]

I know my diva head come off my shirt.

[Sarah]

Well, even if you don't want to revisit podcasting, can you come back?

[Jackie Johnson]

No, that's my thing now. Guesting is so fun. It is, because then I don't have to worry about all the emails and editing and all that. So, yeah.

[Kirby]

Okay. Always come back.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm around and I love you. Part seven, eight, nine, ten.

[Sarah]

I've been thinking about part seven today.

[Jackie Johnson]

I want to talk about when my dad had the sex talk with us, and my sister and I already knew everything, so it was so awkward. So, yeah, that'll come. Having like, a. We called it the sad dad apartment. Like, when your dad moves out, you know, you have to, like, go visit your dad in the sad dad apartment and like, all the weird shit with his pet iguana and just, like, there's a lot. Okay, so check out my tiktoks.

[Sarah]

No, truly, check out the tiktoks. You guys. You will not regret it.

[Kirby]

Plug yourself. Where can everybody find you?

[Jackie Johnson]

Let's see. It's hard because my name is Jackie Michelle Johnson. Everything's taken, but I think my TikTok's JackieMichelle with one L, I think.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Jackie Johnson]

And then acquiemichellejohnson on Instagram. Go there, because that's where you'll see my next show to see where I'm going to be doing it. And then if you happen to be on Patreon. Patreon.com JackieJohnson. That's where I'm podcasting now, is Patreon. Every week.

[Kirby]

Really?

[Jackie Johnson]

It's so fun. Yes.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh. No way.

[Sarah]

What are you talking about there?

[Jackie Johnson]

Everything. I talk shit. I talk about family and kids and parenting.

[Kirby]

Wait, you don't promote this enough.

[Jackie Johnson]

I don't. It's kind of a secret club. It's kind of a secret club.

[Sarah]

Is it like your former Nach Butte, like listeners.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Jackie Johnson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kirby]

I love this.

[Jackie Johnson]

It's really fun. The first episode was when I left Nach Butte. I put it on the Patreon and it was about why I stopped Natch Butte. And I get into the tea of it. I was, like, talking about. I about talked without naming names, but it's pretty obvious who I was talking about. Just like, what all happened and why I left. And I get into the kind of what we were discussing. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Oh, I knew.

[Jackie Johnson]

Just like this. What happened to the podcasting industry.

[Kirby]

I had no idea that you were doing this. That is my bad.

[Jackie Johnson]

I've been doing it for, what, two and a half years ago.

[Sarah]

I can't believe you, like, buried that.

[Jackie Johnson]

I should promote it more.

[Kirby]

I know you do not promote this. Yeah, because I am on your shit. So this is crazy.

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I can't wait to go listen and be a Patreon.

[Jackie Johnson]

I'm going to a celebrity birthday party this weekend where social media is not allowed, which I'm so mad about.

[Kirby]

We'll cut this out. Who is it?

[Jackie Johnson]

I'll tell you after.

[Kirby]

Okay?

[Jackie Johnson]

Okay. Make it easy for the editor, honey. And anyway, social media is not allowed, so I'm gonna be telling my Patreon everything, because technically that's not social media.

[Kirby]

That is so true.

[Jackie Johnson]

So, anyway, and.

[Kirby]

And that's a great plug.

[Jackie Johnson]

There you go.

[Kirby]

Jackie, we love you.

[Jackie Johnson]

We love you.

[Kirby]

Thank you for coming on.

[Jackie Johnson]

We love you all.

[Kirby]

We love you so, dear Content, we love Gilly. We love you.

[Jackie Johnson]

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