Trinny Woodall on the Missing Part of the Aging Conversation & Launching a Brand at 53

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Episode: Trinny Woodall on the Missing Part of the Aging Conversation & Launching a Brand at 53

Release Date: May 22, 2026
Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Guest: Trinny Woodall

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Episode Overview

This lively episode features beauty icon and Trinny London founder Trinny Woodall. Renowned for her unfiltered insight and transformative makeovers, Trinny opens up about the realities of aging, aesthetics, and self-confidence from her vantage as a business owner, media figure, and advocate for women embracing their next act. The discussion dives into morning rituals, ingredient transparency, the realities of “tweakments,” transformation stories, and the importance of joy and energy in real beauty. Trinny brings her signature candor and humor, challenging industry norms and sharing practical wisdom for women seeking confidence at any stage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Trinny’s Daily Rituals and Skincare Philosophy

[01:33]

• Trinny details her efficient but comprehensive morning routine:

  • Ice bath for inflammation, followed by cleansing with an AHA/PHA cleanser, exfoliation, microcurrent device (Ziip Halo), LED therapy (Current Body), Gua Sha, and meditation.
  • "It sets my day. Because I think the meditation's super important...You can turn up for work giving them the best version of yourself, or you can turn up for work as an absolute cunt. And meditation changes those." — Trinny Woodall [03:07]
  • Efficiently done in about 30 minutes.

• Electrolyte hydration is pivotal, especially when traveling. Trinny avoids inulin-laced supplements due to microplastic concerns.

  • “Ocean I like because it’s just pure quality electrolyte...there’s certain ingredients which are not expensive. You just want them pure and they should never be overcharging you.” — Trinny Woodall [04:01]

• Manual self-care:

  • Lymphatic drainage and fascia work are crucial for facial structure and appearance.
  • “Many women can do polynucleotides and filler and all this shit, but if you look after your fascia, you can have a really great face.” — Trinny Woodall [05:34]

Sun Protection & Transatlantic Sunscreen Differences

[05:57]

• Discussion around US vs. Korean/Australian sunscreens and how American filters “feel like medicine”:
  • “Sunscreen should be the most joyful thing to put on and not a medicine, and the problem is in America, so many of them feel in the application like medicine.” — Trinny Woodall [06:34]
• Younger generations (Gen Z) risk UV damage through sun-seeking behaviors, contrasting with the sunscreen-first mentality of Millennials.

Peptides, Tanning, and the Danger of Unregulated Aesthetics

[08:23]

• The rise in unsafe “Barbie peptides” and cavalier distribution among young derms in the US is alarming:
  • “They literally come with a handbag of different peptides that they dish out. And I'm like, this is appalling, this lack of recognition.” — Trinny Woodall [08:52]
• Discussion about the internal impacts of glycation (skin aging due to sugar/inflammation) and the revolution of sugar-free diets on skin health.
  • “If we looked at the beauty industry, if people didn’t go in the sun and they didn’t eat foods that inflamed them, there would be hardly any products out there.” — Trinny Woodall [10:48]

Reset Moments and the Truths behind Makeovers

[11:06]

• Reflecting on 20 years making over women globally, Trinny zeroes in on the universal need for periodic resets:
  • “Wherever I think I've been...this moment of reset is so crucial to then just go to the next level with confidence.”
• Moving makeover story:
  • Trinny recalls transforming an abuse survivor from Ghana who reclaimed her identity through color and courage (full story at [13:12 – 16:35]).

Tweakments, Facelifts, and Transparency

[16:37]

• Trinny’s candid approach:

  • “To do a facelift and talk about the Elevator, which is our skin lifting product...if I'd had a facelift, I would feel that's profoundly inauthentic for me to be the owner of a brand and to try and infer that skincare products would do this alone.” — Trinny Woodall [17:11]

• Her advice: Do your research, prioritize aftercare, and understand the role and limits of both procedures and products.

• On skincare vs. procedures:

  • “I've seen a couple of facelifts where...they had a facelift but they decided not to look after their skin. And...I look better than them because I look after my skin.” — Trinny Woodall [19:30]

• Commitment to routine:

  • Microneedling, muscle exercises (“A, E, I, O, U” with her grandmother), and fascia release trump shortcuts.

The “Match to Me” Approach to Beauty

[20:42]

• Trinny explains the color-matching and personalization algorithm behind her brand:
  • Heritage of personal experience with makeovers led to a tech-driven approach matching people to makeup based on neutral/cool/warm balances in hair, skin, and eyes.
  • “Choice can be paralysis...so refine the choice at least by knowing I suit this set of colors.” — Trinny Woodall [22:16]
• On simplifying skincare: Focus on order (from lightest to heaviest), and avoid over-complication.
  • “To me, it's always viscosity. So the lightest to the heaviest, with the wateriest to the most emollient. And then you kind of won't go wrong.” — Trinny Woodall [25:45]

Ingredient Transparency, Exosomes, and Clinical Trials

[28:35]

• Rant against misleading marketing and ingredient inflation:
  • “There needs to be so much more transparency in skincare.” — Trinny Woodall [31:54]
• On exosomes: Only lab-derived, not squalene or plant, are worth considering; delivery systems matter, but nothing topically goes beyond the epidermis unless injected.

Rethinking “Anti-Aging”: Joy, Energy, and the Language of Beauty

[31:54]

• Trinny rejects both “anti-aging” and “pro-aging” language, emphasizing real vibrance comes from mentality:
  • “If you mentally feel amazing, it will show on your face...youthful is a word still sells for that age group because they're used to that being the only word.”
  • “None of us should ever feel invisible” — Trinny Woodall [32:28]
• Aging as evolution: Each decade brings new knowledge and releases old anxieties.
  • “In my 50s, I stopped worrying what people thought.” [35:00]
  • “The power of knowing what you don't want means that you don't have people in your life who drain your energy.” [35:47]

Practical Advice for Skin Changes in Your 40s

[37:31]

• Kirbie and Sara share their own skin insecurities. Trinny counters by reminding everyone: others only notice a fraction of what we fixate on.

  • “What we see, people see 10% of what we see...remind oneself...you have not put on 10 pounds or created terrible skin, your head has just gone like that.”

• Jawline definition tip: Regular fascia stimulation (“deboning a chicken” movement) for jaw clarity.

• Social media, body image & self-talk:

  • Dangers of peptide misuse, celebrity-inspired extremes, the importance of celebrating real, healthy, lived-in beauty.

Real Talk: Tanning Culture & Owning Your Image

[42:35] – [48:20]

• Hilarious, candid conversation about fake tan mishaps, the cultural legacy of “tan as beauty,” and why embracing one’s natural skin is both radical and healthy.
  • “The whole thing that we have to be tanned to be acceptable...I should have gone to TA if there was one, Tanning Anonymous.” — Trinny Woodall [44:46]
• On self-perception: Even TV personalities avoid reviewing their footage too often to prevent spiraling self-critique.
  • “I never look back on what I've shot.” [47:13]

Product Innovation & Disrupting Stale Beauty Categories

[48:55]

• Launch of Lip Reset Kit—thoughtfully designed for 40+ women:

  • “It's like a lip kit but for women, 40 plus...I thought if I could do a kit where you don't have to think about it...” — Trinny Woodall [49:06]
  • Focus on formulas with active peptides, not empty marketing claims.

• On disrupting stagnant categories:

  • Emphasis on addressing neglected needs (hands, neck, etc.) through research, not just line extensions.
  • “My eye cream took 56 iterations of formulation...There are things out there. I want us to think of what isn't there yet in the market today.” [54:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On meditation & leadership:

  • “You can turn up for work giving them the best version of yourself, or you can turn up for work as an absolute cunt. And meditation changes those.” (Trinny, [03:07])

• On authenticity and procedures:

  • “If I'd had a facelift, I would feel that's profoundly inauthentic for me to be the owner of a brand and to try and infer that skincare products would do this alone.” (Trinny, [17:11])

• On confidence resets for women:

  • “Wherever I think I've been... this moment of reset is so crucial to then just go to the next level with confidence.” (Trinny, [12:59])

• On why she avoids rewatching her work:

  • “I never look back on what I've shot.” (Trinny, [47:13])

• On tanning culture:

  • “The whole thing that we have to be tanned to be acceptable...I should have gone to TA if there was one, Tanning Anonymous.” (Trinny, [44:46])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Trinny’s morning skincare/rituals | 01:33–05:41 | | Sunscreen/US vs. Int’l filters & Gen Z tanning habits | 05:57–08:23 | | Peptides, tanning, danger of unregulated “tweakments” | 08:23–11:06 | | Makeovers: global perspective and “reset moments” | 11:06–16:35 | | Transparency on facelifts/Botox/skin maintenance | 16:37–20:43 | | Match to Me and personalized color — beauty without paralysis | 20:42–25:45 | | Ingredient transparency and exosome debate | 28:35–31:54 | | Anti-aging vs. energy-based vibrancy, “invisibility” in midlife | 31:54–37:16 | | Tips for changing 40s skin, body image, jawline self-massage | 37:31–42:35 | | Tan culture, fake tan mistakes, embracing “untanned” skin | 42:35–48:20 | | Lip Reset kit & what’s next for innovation in hands/neck care | 48:55–55:23 |

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Conclusion

Trinny Woodall delivers a dynamic and uplifting perspective on aging, pushing past tired narratives and industry jargon to rally women into unapologetic confidence—through smart routines, ingredient literacy, and celebratory makeup that reflects who they are now, not who they were. Her message: true radiance is about energy, not erasure, and the future of beauty is as much about mental freedom as glowing skin.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Hi, kirby.

[A]

Hi, sarah.

[C]

Welcome to los angeles.

[A]

Trini. Welcome to Los Angeles.

[B]

So happy to be here.

[A]

Thrilled to have you. We have been following you, and it's crazy. This is our first time meeting.

[B]

It is our first time meeting, but sometimes when you see people on Instagram, you follow each other, you think, I know them. Because if one is candid and the people have authenticity and soul, then it is like you've met them.

[A]

Of course. Of course. And we want to kick things off. We have a long list of things that we want to get to today. But before we do that, we ask every guest, we what's on your face? What are you loving? What are you wearing? Or is there something that you use on a daily basis that you want to wax poetic about?

[B]

What's on my face is a morning routine, which I do religiously, whatever country I'm in. So it started with a bucket of ice because that takes down inflammation. And yesterday I was on a plane. I took a lot of electrolytes on the plane and a ton of water, probably too much water, but I just thought, I don't want to be a parched prune when I come to, you know, the best beauty podcast and look shriveled. It's not a good look. And then I do this ritual, which is I will cleanse. Cleanse my face with an Aha pha cleanser called Better Off. Then I'll do an exfoliant. Then I'll do Zip Halo, which is just that little microcurrent. And the other side, I do a Gua Sha, and then I switch. And then I put on something called Naked Ambition, because I love exosomes only with good ingredients, and we develop one with Azelaic acid, so reducing redness and any inflammation. And then I put on SPF 50 with a sort of glowy, slightly glowy product mixed in. Because I don't like glow glow like I'm the moon, but I like great skin looking. And then I'm ready. And then I'll put on very, very light foundation. And then a little bit of more glow blusher, more than bronzer. A little bit of eye, a little bit of reset lip kit, which we

[A]

just launched, I was going to say. So are all of these products yours?

[B]

For the most part, zip. Halo isn't. And also I did an LED. I do an LED every morning and I do 20 minutes with one called Current Body.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And in England, I'll lie on a PMV mat, do a meditation and put on the led.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Okay. I aspire to be on this level in the morning.

[B]

Same.

[C]

It sets your day.

[B]

It sets my day. Because I think the meditation's super important because I run a business with 300 people and I'm the CEO. And you can turn up for work giving them the best version of yourself, or you can turn up for work as an absolute cunt and meditation. Change those.

[A]

How long does your morning routine take, Trini?

[B]

This morning I got up at 7 and I was ready by 7:30. I'd done it by 7:30. Okay.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Efficient without makeup. So I was before makeup by 7:30. Yeah.

[A]

You mentioned electrolytes.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

I'm a big electrolytes person right now.

[B]

Phenomenal.

[A]

I. I've been doing waterboy. But what are. What are your preferred electrolytes?

[B]

I like one called Ocean and it's really great. I. I'm very careful with my supplementation. Like, I never take anything with inulin in it. There's a lot of collagen and protein supplements and they have inulin and it's a sort of. Can be good, but I don't like that it might carry some microplastics. So I'm quite. I really look at the inkey list of all of those. So Ocean I like because it's just pure quality electrolyte. They're not. It's like hyaluronic acid, you know, they're not the most expensive ingredients. It's like creatine. There's certain ingredients which are not expensive. You just want them pure and they should never be overcharging you totally 100%.

[C]

And then walk us through how you use your ice in the morning.

[B]

If I'm in Australia, where the climate is already really warm, I Will put it in the tub, the sink and then I'll put my face in and breathe. Could do 1, 2, 3, 4. It's like I'm being waterboarded. And then if I'm really up for it, I'll go in the bath and I'll rub myself down with ice. Cause it would just wake up my body. Especially because sometimes I go to Australia and I do the 22 hour flight and then I have to go straight to work. Cause I arrive in the morning so I have this sort of ice bath, shower thing and then I go straight into interviews. So it wakes up your head, your body. And then I do slapping. Yeah, I did slapping today as well actually.

[C]

So on your face, around the body.

[B]

Well, I do a lymph drainage which is I'll do either side of my ear, then I'll do my either side of my chest and I'll rub and tap under my arms, around my tummy, around the back of my arms. Then I'll tap all the way down my arm, around and all the way back on the inside of the arm, all the way down my leg, back the inside of my leg. And then I do about. If I've got time, I'll do a 10 minute fascia on my face. Cause I think fascia is one of the most important ways for us to actually, you know, many women can do polynucleotides and filler and all this shit, but if you look after your fascia, you can have a really great face.

[A]

Do you enjoy doing all this?

[B]

Yeah, I love it.

[A]

I personally love the ritual of doing my skincare same. It's why I'm committed to it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And we kind of talk about it with sunscreen as well. Like I wear sunscreen for protection and for all of the other reasons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that's been instilled in us since we were children basically from Allure magazine, like if you don't wear sunscreen, you're going to look like this.

[B]

And yet 18 to 22 year olds are looking at the UV index, hoping it's a 10. It's so scary because I talk to millennials where they really grew up for the first time ever, unlike Gen X with you got to wear sunscreen, it was like the first time it was reinforced. And even though your filters in America are so abhorrent and give such a hideous sunscreen, I developed my sunscreen in Korea and it's an amazing, it's like a sunscreen should be the most joyful thing to put on and not a medicine and the problem is in America, so many of them feel in the application like medicine.

[A]

Well, because they're treated like drugs.

[C]

Right. They're treated like classification.

[B]

Yet the filters they have in them, to me, I wouldn't want to put on my inner toe, you know, I really wouldn't. I just think they're terrible chemical filters.

[A]

Well, why do you think that? When we travel.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. We are like Korean sunscreen. Other sunscreen. Australian ultraviolet sunscreen too.

[A]

Oh, hey, you're going into your upgrade. I need you to grab this, this and this.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, they really need to work on it here.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you mentioned your daughter's 22. And I have been hearing that especially in. In the uk, tanning beds, they.

[B]

The. The younger were a huge deal. Now I think, no, I think fake tan and real tan. Okay. More than sunbeds. Sunbeds was a big thing in England. You always had this thing. The further north you go, the more shorter the skirt and the bigger the tan. And now it's a fake tan. But I think tanning beds was my era. Okay. I think tanning beds in England, there's some legal rules around them. They're really dismissed.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But then people are now laying out.

[B]

You think they're laying out in the sun.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I feel like I said that. I find that it's like, is vaping worse than smoking? You know, look at popcorn lungs. So there are things where the modern reinterpretation of something that's meant to be better maybe actually isn't going to be better.

[A]

Right. It's funny because keratin, which I feel is a big brand over in Europe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're really trying to make a splash here in the US Which I was like, I don't think that's gonna happen. They're going hardcore. I mean, like. And people are taking it. I got invited on a trip. Come support Keratin. We'll fly you to F1 in Miami. I go, I can't possibly go on this trip. I would never recommend going to lay out in the sun.

[B]

One step further is the peptide, which is called gqi, something which they call the Barbie peptide, which gives you a tan. And I think what I find the scariest is the lack of regulation around peptides. We're not talking about GLP ones, but just around peptides. In the US of. I would. I was in New York, we had a pop up last year and this woman came one evening and she was like, JFK used to have Dr. Feelgood. He was this doctor who gave him injections of speed so he could run the government. And the equivalent is these women who are sort of in their 30s, 40s. They're doctors, they're derms, but they're young derms. And they literally come with a handbag of different peptides that they dish out. And I'm like, this is appalling, this lack of recognition.

[C]

This is absolutely nuts.

[B]

And one of them is that peptide to make you tan. But the downtime, the negative effects of that peptide are quite scary. Right, Right.

[A]

Because it actually does. It has the same effect as aging your skin in the sun, with the sun accelerated.

[B]

Well, it's different because I think you've got inner glycation of the skin.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. So the acceleration of aging of the skin through inflammation. So imagine the chicken roasting in the oven. Okay. That, to me, is glycation. And I think that if we reduce the amount of sugar, which to me is the devil in how we eat, we slow down inflammation in our body. I really. I spent a year eating no sugar, and it made such a change to how. How I felt in my energy level, how I felt in my skin in so many ways. And I had read this woman, the glucose goddess, who wrote a book called the Glucose Revolution. And so she studied twins, and she did, I think, 3,000 sets of twins. And then she did her own studies around what you ate, what order you ate food in, and the effect of sugar and the effect of spikes of cortisol. So that whole area, to me is interesting in terms of internally how we feel, but externally, on our face, I.

[A]

I have a sweet tooth. But cutting back on sugar has changed so much for me personally. And I can tell, like, I have been kind of eating like crap this whole week. And I'm like, I can see it. I can. I can feel it in my body, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have brain fog. There's so many things that are tied to inflammation. And, I mean, I have melasma a part of. Obviously, it's the sun. Right. Hormones, but inflammation.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, if we looked at the beauty industry, if people didn't go in the sun and they didn't eat foods that inflamed them, there would be hardly any products out there. It's difficult because we want to lead fun, fabulous lives. Have a drink, have a laugh. But I think also we do want to look after ourselves, and it's that balance that we choose to take.

[C]

Okay, Trini. So you launched Trini London at 53, after two decades in TV. You spent 20 years making over women Is there anything about makeovers of the past that you cringe at? What did you learn about women during these makeovers?

[B]

I don't think I've ever made over a woman in any way where I've regretted what I did, just to say that. But I think what I learned is I did them in the UK and we did 10 years of show called what Not To Wear, and then we weren't Flavour of the Month. There were other people doing it at the time. It was the first show and then it was done here and Suzanne and I were going to do it here and then we were both pregnant, so then it was done by Stacy. Leah.

[C]

Yes, Stacey.

[B]

But we then took that chair. We still had, like, we had to pay school fees for our kids and we were the sole breadwinner, so we had to still work. So we went to a. A conference in Cannes called mipcom, and they all wanted to buy the show, but I thought they would buy the show and somebody else would present it, but they said, will you come? So that time taught me so much about women, because I was in Israel, Brazil, Poland, India, Australia, America, Scandinavia. And I think women get to a stage in their life where they need a reset. And it could be they leave university and go to their first job and they've been a big cheese and suddenly they feel. Or they decide to have a kid and their friends aren't having a kid yet, or they have a kid late and their friends are like, I've got teenagers. Or they decide to leave work and then they're coming back in and they think, how do I feel cool again, Like a simplest thing. If you ask most women, aesthetically, how they'd like to feel, a lot of those would just be, I just want to feel cool. And cool to me means I'm a part of the conversation. I know what people are talking about. And so wherever I think I've been, whatever age or skin tone or size or attitude to life, this moment of reset is so crucial to then just go to the next level with confidence. Yeah. And I think that's what I've learned, is that there's times in our lives where we just need this little reset.

[C]

Is there a makeover that you remember that stands out?

[B]

So many. I mean, one that I really cherished, because it had so many layers to it, is a woman in Australia, and she was a woman of color, and I met her in Canberra, which was a very white city, and she had grown up in Ghana and her family had married her off to a young Diplomat. So she moved to Switzerland, and she'd only ever been in Ghana. And he abused her very, very badly. And he used to whip her and throw her out in the snow. And after about seven years, eight years, she had two little children. She ran away. And her sister, by that stage, was a diplomat in Canberra in Australia, which is the capital of the political capital. So she went there, but she always wore black. She hid because she felt whenever she tried to be present as a woman for her husband, he had beaten her up. And we met her when she had made the decision already that she wanted to learn to be a woman. But since 18, you know, as soon as she married him, and all those beautiful colors you get in Ghana, those wonderful prints that women wear, she had just worn black. And so we have this moment where we're paired up, and I was paired up with her, and she'd applied to be on the show. And there's a moment when I say, do you want to just show me your shape? And she strips off, and she. I didn't know before. And on the back were whip marks all the way down her body. And I was so horrified, because in this day and age, to see that we can hark back to history and know that it was really. And so she was ready. She was. So she said, I want you to dress me in the most beautiful bright oranges and reds, and I want to be present, and I want to walk down a catwalk, and I want to say, here I am. So she had done most of the work. I was the facilitator. But I really liked her. I got on well with her. And we were doing this in a huge shopping center, like Orange county one, you know, like huge. And there were 5,000 women in tears waiting. And I dressed. I had put her in this amazing dress, and we'd done amazing makeup, and she was waiting backstage. And the producer came up to you and said, I just have to let you know it's a very white audience, and the fact that she's a woman of color could be challenging. So I just want you to know that. That the reaction you want, you might not get, which for me, was just a very challenging thing to hear. So I thought, okay, I need her to get the best reaction ever. So I went out the audience, and I told them the whole story without showing her before. And I said, this is what happened to Odala. And they all. I could feel the empathy of that audience. And I said, here she is before. And you saw the woman of color all in black. And I met her in this beautiful tulip garden in Canberra. So the combination of that sort of, you know, beautiful color. So they were kind of prepped and she walked out and, you know, she body surfed that crowd. I mean, like in a metaphorical way. And it was really, you know, it stayed with me for so long and we kept in touch and she changed her life. And sometimes physical changes make such emotional shifts and sometimes you're ready for the physical change and you're just wanting somebody to facilitate and sometimes somebody has to come up to you and shake you and say, come on, darling, you know, you can move on. So things like that to me were the most powerful that stayed with me.

[C]

Yeah, it's incredible.

[A]

You've always been very transparent and even outspoken with your audience about tweakments or things that you have or haven't had done when you said that sometimes a physical change can manifest something in you emotionally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you feel about women and the facelift conversation?

[B]

I think you have to do what you feel will really help. So if you're a 30 year old woman, think I need a facelift. I'm going to say, honey, this is social media pressure. I'm really going to say that. I'm like, that's crazy. I did Botox at 35. To me, I felt that was so young and I didn't do it stop lines. I did it because I had a forehead that moved like a, like a duck. And I was doing TV and I was starting ITV career and all I saw was my forehead moving. So I was like, can somebody stop my forehead moving? And somebody said, this thing called Botox has just come out. And I was like, give it to me. And then since I did it twice a year for now, I'm 62, I didn't develop so many lines. But a facelift is something that I feel as a founder of a beauty brand, I, I'm very candid. I've had Botox and I've had PRP facials and things like that. But to do a facelift and talk about the Elevator, which is our skin lifting product for the neck and all these things that I have clinicals at work and everything. And if I'd had a facelift, I would feel that's profoundly inauthentic for me to be the owner of a brand and to try and infer that skincare products would do this alone. So I've always said I do Botox. Da da da Leva Retinol's gonna accelerate skin cell turnover. It Might soften lines, but this is how things work. But I appreciate so many women I have, women I've met whose nose has controlled their life. You know, they felt all they could see is their nose. And I had very, very bad acne from 13 to 30. So when I went on a date, like being in a situation like this with these bright lights, I would've said, can we go to another restaurant? I was so chronically shy because I felt people, people really would talk to my chin, they wouldn't talk to my eyes. So I felt the implication of being self obsessed with something that took away my self worth. So a nose job, I really get that with somebody it can be overdone. So my most important things I always say, which you would say to everyone, is do your research. Don't get somebody who's just become an injector. Get a professional derm or a doctor who's decided to do injectables. You know, if you're going to have a facelift, look for months, speak to women who've had it, understand the downtime, understand the work that would go in after you have a facelift. I have many women who do things and then do no, you know, lymphatic drainage afterwards or anything. And then they go, oh, it didn't work. It's like you didn't put the time. And it takes commitment on your side. Not just a surgeon you'll go to, you have to do the work afterwards.

[A]

Also, a facelift isn't going to change your skin.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Like if you don't do skin care and protect your skin, what's the point?

[B]

Yeah. And even, you know, if somebody does a sort of. Funny enough, I've seen a couple of facelifts where there's somebody I know who's my age and they had a facelift 15 years ago and I look better than them because I look after my skin. And they had a facelift, but they decided not to look after their skin. And it's like that daily use of feeding your skin, of giving it the right ingredients. I microneedle three times a week. Okay, gently 0.5 needle. But I want the product going better. For peptides, it's incredible. For anything with fragrance, don't go near it. You know, if you're using an elixir, which is just really good, mini proteins, for example, wonderful, but no fragrance. And those things is skin stimulation, fascia. You know, if you look at women who really practice fascia and I think post Covid, we've seen a lot more women who do beauty, fascia, yoga, exercising. You know, I did this A, E, I, O, U with my grandmother for years, but I took it on another stage. So I do like a, a, a, a, a 10 times and then eee, eee. And I feel the muscles and the cheekbones that I want to lift, but it takes consistency.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

You know, facelift is. You do it once and then you sort of leave it alone for 10 years. I don't mind the routine. Like you said at the beginning.

[A]

Yeah, you love it.

[B]

Yeah, I do love it.

[A]

I want to.

[B]

We all love it, actually.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's talk about Match to me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This is a differentiator that your brand has for those that are listening that are not familiar. What is Match to me, it was

[B]

based in making over those three and a half thousand women I did all around the world. And the one thing they found is they went to a beauty counter and, and there were a couple things they would think, is the girl behind the beauty counter wearing too much makeup or too little? And what suits me and the amount of women I meet who are, you know, wearing a foundation two shades too high or too low or think I want color my skin. So I'll go two shades down foundation, it's like. But then I'll see your foundation, not you. Or they think I'm wearing. I want to wear a red lip, but do I wear blush? Do I wear an eye? You know, what's the balance? So I thought, how can I? You know, we had. I grew up with sort of autumn, winter, spring, summer. It was an old fashioned way. Which is now on TikTok. Again about color principle. Amy at Tibby does really good color principle. My color principle was always that you have cool, cool, neutral, neutral, neutral, warm and warm. So when I look at women, I look at their hair, their skin and their eyes, and each of those have a weighting between cool and warm. And then the combination of those three also has a weighting. So are you a neutral cool or are you neutral warm? I'm neutral. You are neutral warm. You are, I would say, oddly neutral. Even though you want to be warmer?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Okay. But you are actually neutral. And so therefore it makes it so much easier to know, you know, if I want to go and get a blusher or lip or cheek or. I just know this is the parameters of which I choose. So the point to me was, you know, choice can be paralysis. You just. There's so much choice. And there is right now, as you know, so much choice on skincare. Routine on makeup on everything. So refine the choice at least by knowing I suit this set of colors. And then think of the textures you want to put on your face. You know, if you're a woman who's normal to dry, just don't go near a powder. And if you're sort of dry to oily. Yes. But, you know, be aware. Be aware of. Do you want makeup that sits on your face or becomes a part of your face and therefore have synergy? So, you know, there's always a makeup trick that you do your blush on. Put a tiny bit on your eye and on your forehead. It brings one's face together. And I think those things mean that I look like. I look at both of you. I don't see your makeup first. So when I look at you, I see you have a great shape of eye. You think your lip is your big thing, but you do your eyes well. Many women who think I've got this one thing, they'll ignore the rest. You don't. You kind of know I want to pay attention to my eyes and really make. Cause they can be hooded, so let me open them, but make them a lovely shape. And you like bronzer because you want to be this warm person. But you haven't ignored blush. All right? And then I look at you, and you love a strong lip. Your lip is your strongest point. But you don't ignore your eye, you know, and you just have something coming out here. You wear your blush beautifully high, because then it will help your eye, and it will. Will lift up there, so you're getting balances again. And when you put on your bronzer, you have a. Like me, a deeper forehead. You have a narrow forehead. So we. We need to just put a bit of emphasis here. So we bring. It's about proportion. And so I think you both do proportion incredibly well.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

I was literally gonna be like, okay, analyze us. Tell us. Okay, wait, so match to me is that.

[B]

So you put in your skin. Hair. You put in your skin. You say, this is me. This is my skin, hair. And I. And we say these are the eye colors, lip colors, and cheap colors. And we give you a kind of set at the beginning, like a stack. And then if you do much to me for skincare, we look at all of your hormone levels, and we look at what your laziness factor is, and we combine it also with your skin. But I think many people take a label which they were given by somebody at some stage, and they keep it. So I have combination skin. So I Go, what's that mean? And they go, that I'm oily. And I go, no, it doesn't mean that. It means you probably have a dry cheek and a T zone. Somebody goes, I have dry skin. And I look at them. I said, you don't have dry skin. You're dehydrated. You know, there's women who will say, just give me another moisturizer. And you look and you think, I'm going to give you an analogy, darling. You have a wooden table. It's your dining room table. There's a lot of dust on it. You don't take the dust off with a cloth and you bang on the polish. That's what your serum is doing to your skin. So you will never feel moisturized because you're not exfoliating. So there's basic things that you can then if you show people the order of things, like the amount of times you're probably asked, what's the order I do my skincare in? Because there's so many potential things you could do. So to me it's always viscosity. So the lightest to the heaviest, with the wateriest to the most emollient. And then you kind of won't go wrong.

[A]

We have a program called Los Angeles Confidential. It's a seating program where we send products before they launch to our listeners and they test them for anywhere between four to 12 weeks.

[B]

Brilliant.

[A]

It's amazing. And the insights that we get from mostly women in this group are absolutely fascinating because it could range from like a 20 year old to a 60 to 70 year old. Right. But they have so many questions about how do I properly use this product? And so to your point, it's like, okay, should I not use this product because it has this ingredient?

[B]

Yeah, with this.

[A]

Because we want them to test these products like we do. Right. Where we're really getting down to brass tax of does this work or not?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we say, like, okay, if you're using a retinol, like, you cannot use another product that has the same claims as this retinol. Right. Otherwise what is it that worked for you or didn't work for you?

[B]

I mean, I think if you're doing. Because we do consumer and clinical trial, but when we do clinical trial, which we do on every serum, there's a very strict protocol. So they can only clean their skin with nothing, with fragrance in or nothing else. And if the product is a serum, then they can finish with an SPF moisturizing moisturizer. But we're really really specific. And so I bought out something last year which won a really great American award for best redness reducer called Naked Ambition. But I had decided that I wanted. In England, you can get prescription azelaic acid, which is, to me, like one of the top three ingredients in skin care. And it's used in England to reduce redness and rosacea. And it's an OTC product. And it's a white and orange tube. And it's usually at. I think it's at 20%. So I first did trials, and I sent it to a lab. And the 20%, because it's in a very heavy chassis, when it gets into the bottom of the epidermis, gets to 6%. So you have 6% pure azelaic, which is working on your skin. So I thought, how can I compete and create a product which will reduce redness and also give somebody vitamin C? Because a lot of women who have a little bit of redness don't have a good relationship with ascorbic acid. So how can you get their relationship to work? So I found somebody who made good exomes because a lot of people just put squalene exomes, which is just crap. It's marketing crap. And I thought, okay, let me take the exome. Can you put the azelaic acid in the exome? So then we did a test and we took that. We used 10% as leg, because most you can do is that, put it into the exome, tested it down the dermis, and it was still 10% because it's an exome. So then when I was testing these women, you know, we took women who had redness, didn't have redness, had rosacea, had dry skin. But that test, for me, it was so important what else they used. And you know, they couldn't use another vitamin C. Cause I had 15% ascorbic acid. Moisturizer had to be without free. I really wanted to know how well did it work?

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And we had a 46% reduction in redness. That's incredible.

[A]

Can we talk about exosomes?

[C]

Yes, let's do it.

[A]

I want to talk about exosomes, because especially here in the US there are two very vocal sides of this coin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One, exosomes are miracle workers. They change the game. And now Sarah and I are getting pitches all day, every day about an exosome product.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then there's the other side. Exosomes do not work in skincare.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would love your thoughts. Obviously, you have a product that has exosomes.

[B]

I Did a lot of research because there's different types. There's plant based exosomes, there's in vitro exosome and there's a kind of dodgy exosome. But I think that you need an exosome that is a lab made exosome. And I have had placenta exosome in my knee. So the reason I want do exosome is I had, had injected into my knee. I have really bad knee exome by my endocrinologist in New York and I thought there's something really interesting and this is six years ago in the concept of exosomes. So I studied it quite a lot and then there was plant exosomes like okay, I. For those of you who are only listening, I don't necessarily believe but a lab exosome is starting from scratch and thinking how do I develop? Because an exome is a delivery mechanism and that's what we mustn't forget. It's going to take it and give the right signals and get it to the right place. And sometimes if you look at something like BHAs, willow bark and salicylic acid are as good as each other. One is a natural derivative. Willow bark and salicylic acid is made in a lab. Labs are great places. Everything that it's meant to do, they will direct that it does. So I think that the idea of having delivery systems that can make products go deeper in the skin is valid and works. And clinically I know it works. I wouldn't get the clinical trial result unless it worked. But when people say things like it goes into the dermis crap. Nothing in any form of delivery system unless it's injectable will go further than the bottom of the epidermis. It just can't. You know, there's layers of skin and it just can't. So I think you've got to take things and research them. So if you see something which is shining and lovely new shiny coin exosome, see is it lab, is it squalene, is it in vitro?

[C]

How did it work with your knee?

[B]

It worked really well with my knee, yeah. Because what it's doing is it's delivering in because I did it with my plasma. So it took my plasma, it was in a centrifuge, so it kind of took the best of my plasma because I'm not a plasma of 20 year old but it put it back in with the exosome and that combination went well. It doesn't regrow cartilage but it does help with just A general movement has come back to my knee. I'm not so cranky. I think one of the biggest misnomers in skincare, which I find challenging, is when people talk about ingredients, levels, and they'll say a retinol complex, and then they'll say 2% retinol complex. And I'll think, I have 0.5 retinal. And then people go, oh, but this one has more. And I go, but it's a complex, darling, which means it's been diluted already before it's even gone into formulation. So when you're looking at things, it's so important to understand if something has a word complex, what it means. I mean, there needs to be so much more transparency in skincare.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

Brie. Trini, you said you hate the word anti aging.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And that real radiance comes from energy and joy, which I think we can all agree. But also we can agree that most women want to look lifted and tight and smooth. So how do you balance that contradiction?

[B]

I think there's something about the age and the use of those words. So there's a generation of Gen X and a baby boomer who grew up with anti aging youthful. All these things of, like, you're old now. Let's make you look how you used to look. I think if you really live in the best of the world you can live in and you've gone past 40, 50, and 60, then those words don't land. Because what lands is how do I mentally feel at this age and what's got me there? And if you mentally feel amazing, it will show on your face. So the idea that it should only be the aesthetic surface, and youthful is a word still sells for that age group because they're used to that being the only word. I also don't like pro aging either. I just think, well, what are you just trying to be anti pro? It does make sense. When I look in the mirror, if I look very tired or if I look full of energy, it's the most important attributes. But when you're in your 30s and late 30s and you're a sort of millennial who's just like, no longer the center of the universe, and suddenly you've got the responsibility where you weren't the pulsating center of your life, which you were in your 20s and 30s, and you get to 40, and suddenly other things are happening in your life, and you might feel invisible, which is a really tough word for a woman to feel, because none of us should ever feel invisible. So you Think, what can I do to feel visible? And you could think I have a facelift. You can think all these different things, but you could also just think, how do I get vibrancy and life and energy into how I present myself to the world as opposed to how I look. How I look is a very superficial way of saying that. So that's kind of how I see it. And when I, you know, we don't use ever the word anti aging in our business or any of those words because I don't love those words. But I will still challenge. I'm going to bring something up in September and I am going to say, as one of the taglines, is the way you're doing this aging you? You know, so I still will use that as a word, but it's not anti aging. It's a different. To me, it's different. I don't think it's contradiction. I just think, you know, we can do things that age us unnecessarily as well.

[A]

Yeah, but it's such an interesting conversation though because I talk about this a lot with people. When did old become a four letter word?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For women specifically. Like there was an article a couple of years ago where the headline was like old ladies ruled the Golden Globes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people lost their shit. But what they didn't realize was the writer was 70 years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she was saying like, this is a good thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That these women are being recognized and glamorous at, you know, 50, 60, 70,

[B]

I'll tell you, she said would say that I, as a 62 year old feel I've never felt the relevance of my age. The only relevance to being the age I am is that something happened that maybe happened in decades. So in my 30s, I was insecure, just getting over my acne, learning to have a career because I started late. I was a drug addict for 10 years and everything started late. And then in my 40s I learned to be a mum and I was perhaps a little later than other women. And so I had to kind of navigate that one. And in my 50s, I stopped worrying what people thought. I literally. Not when I was actually 50, because some tough things happened when I was 50. When I was 51, I just stop worrying. And the release of not worrying means that you're not comparing yourself to another lane, that you're not judging yourself so much and therefore also you're not judging other people so much. And then in my 60s, I know what I don't want and knowing what you don't, the Power of knowing what you don't want means that you don't have people in your life who drain your energy. You remember, one of the most important things in life is to give women compliments. You know, support other women is profoundly important in life. You scroll past Instagram, it's like you say, oh, she looks quite nice. Stop. Leave a comment. Say, you look great. You know, just. It's so easy to do. So this idea of. There was that show in America, the Gold. The Goldie Golden Globes, those ladies who were Golden Girls. And somebody said to me the other day, oh, they were in their 50s. And I was like, they must have been 70. Because to me, the perception is they must have been 70, but they were in their late 50s. And it's like our perception of age is changing. And that's changing also because you have, like, Brian Johnson, you have all these people who are challenging. You're David Sinclair at Harvard University. You've got Huberman. Every week, a different thing that we should be looking at. So the perception of how long we will live is fundamentally shifting. So when David Sinclair says there are people who are born today who will live till 150, then what is the definition of old? That has changed it emphatically more than any of the conversations we've just had. When we look in 10 years time, what skincare is, it might just be injections into your stomach. You know, we don't know.

[A]

That's a great point. Okay. I'm loving this conversation, by the way. I know this is. I'm like, let's go this direction. We have all these questions that we still haven't hit yet. Okay. So Sarah and I are entering our 40s next year, and we are already noticing some things that aren't working the same way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. What is your best advice for people who are starting to notice changes in their skin, in their appearance?

[B]

Okay, I'm going to ask you both. What do you feel? Be specific because it will help everyone else listening to identify. Yes. What to both of you is not working the same way.

[A]

My left eye is heavier, but I have congenital ptosis and I had remedy surgery when I was three, so I knew that there was a potential for this muscle to start to get a little bit lazy again.

[B]

And which side do you sleep on?

[A]

I sleep on this side.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

But driving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And then jowls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

For me, it's like the collagen. I feel it. It's like gone. It's not gone, but it's not as full as it used to be.

[A]

And she says this, and I literally think she's the most beautiful human on the planet. I'm like, we're Vega. She literally looks okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm not trying to minimize your problems.

[B]

There is a great importance in what we feel is going on as opposed to the external.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So I walked in here and I thought, you have fucking amazing skin. I didn't for a second think, where's the collagen going? And when I look at you, I have no idea. One eye is different from the other. I know you have hooded eyes a little bit, but I don't see more than that. So there is that thing, and this is a really important thing, is to remember that what we see, people see 10% of what we see. And it just to remind oneself on the day you wake up and you think, the outfit I tried on on Sunday when I tried on four outfits and thought they'll work for the week, is diabolical. You have not put on 10 pounds or created a terrible skin, or your head has just gone like that. So we really have to know there's this little raven inside us and we just have to shut up. So there is an element of that. Then there's that kind of how important is. Is it to me, and in what way? So when I am thinking and I'm looking at myself, and I had hardly drunk any water for about four days. I'd had a really long week before I came here. And I was getting on the plane thinking, I'm doing Los Angeles. They all both can have amazing skin. And I thought I literally. My skin had no water. No water. All right, so there's a solution. I had 5 liters of water on the plane. I had to get up and go through every 20 minutes because I am literally incontinent. So that's my problem now. But I just thought, okay, I can do that for it. And things like my jawline. I do something for the jawline that I do believe works, and I've done it for about five years. And it's about taking the gristle off the jaw. All right? So you imagine you're deboning a chicken, but I believe in it more than. I mean, the zip is lovely, but I will hold on here and I will move my jawline and I'll feel it. And anyone at home, if you're listening, darlings, you hold onto your mid of your jaw and you move like that, really hard, like you're deboning a chicken. And you'll feel these little cracks like this. And then you go to the next bit and you do that. And I cannot begin to tell you how much it will define your jawline because it's gravity. It's your fascia. It's mainly your fascia that creates jowls. We do have our muscles, they can get lax, but a lack of collagen, loss of bone, we can go into all those factual things that we know. But also doing that kind of a I, O, U. And this one here of going like that and pulling it up, you know, a facelift would be something that at some stage, you might think that's what's going to help me. I want to get a snatched jawline or threads or whatever you might feel. I wouldn't recommend threads, though. I think they're just. But I see a lot of women who. I'm going to be very judgy here, but I'm just going to say it. I see. I know a lot of women who are on a form of peptide, and it really helps them in many ways. You know, women who maybe drink too much and they're a little bit overweight, and they take it and it helps them. And I see lots of women who take it, and it really affects their muscle and it really affects how they look. And it's incredibly challenging to look at women who, to me, are wasting away. I find that challenging because you are vibrant women who look after yourself and it shows. It shows in your skin, in your body, in everything. And I would celebrate it. I'd really celebrate it. And to anyone out there who sees those celebrities, and on Cannes, we saw many celebrities. And I looked, and I am a woman who's always been skinny, but I work out, I eat shit, I try and avoid sugar, but it's like, really be aware of those decisions because they will have effects on you. And they're brilliant things to take because there's phenomenal data on them for things other than the stuff for all addiction things and stuff. So there are some really good things. But just be aware. Okay. And I just look at you both and I think you look vibrant and well and glorious. I really do. I'm not a flatterer. You know that I say when something shifts. Very sweet of you.

[A]

Earlier, you know what I would say

[B]

is, like, is your fake tan too orange? Oh, yeah. I'm going to say that, too.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So just to counteract.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Well, you also. Well, you also, like, did a. If this is on top of your tan already, you did something different.

[B]

Do you have a tan and then you put some bronzer on top?

[A]

Well, not exactly. This is like a concoction that I had gotten from my friend Donnie Davey, who is a makeup artists. But I mean, to. To your point, I will say that that product is supposed to make you look really, really tan.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But you're supposed to look like stripper tan when you wear it.

[B]

Okay. So your legs are very white. Yeah. And your body is very tanned.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. So I'm going to be. This is Trini being Trini.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Match yourself.

[A]

Okay. But what I will say is you guys can't see our feet.

[B]

Doesn't matter. And the reason I mentioned your tan is I want you to appreciate you have a really gorgeous face. And don't worry, I really want to say that. And I've seen lots of people. But take care that when you're doing your tan, do all of you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Not just for this visual. Yeah. You know, just do the whole thing. Okay. Did she run out of. Did you run out of money?

[A]

No, I was traveling.

[B]

All right, fine.

[A]

I was traveling.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's actually funny. You're actually busy. It's funny that you're actually bringing. By the way, the audience is like, thank God someone's putting Kirby in her place. I can tell.

[B]

But I. I'm sure they're not done.

[A]

I am a tanning fiend, and I normally am tan top to bottom.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Not necessarily this tan, but I am tanned.

[B]

Yeah, she is.

[A]

I have been traveling for about a month straight. Two months, maybe longer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I decided when I was in Bozeman, Montana, to finally exfoliate every square inch of my body to get rid of my tan. And so today, when I was getting ready and I was putting on this top.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I said, I need something. So I told you, put my tanner, and I put it on.

[B]

Can I just say, what's amazing is you have beautiful skin on your legs.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Yeah, you do.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You have beautiful skin. And this whole thing that we have to be tanned to be acceptable. I tell you, because I have a. I went to aa, na, everything. But I should have gone to TA

[A]

if there was one Tanning anonymous.

[B]

I mean, I need it because I had it take. You know, when you. You bond with somebody because you did something, it's like the person who stopped smoking. I did sunbeds, which we discussed at the beginning of this conversation. For years, badly. Like a sandwich. Sweaty. I mean, so unhygienic. And then I did this really appalling the first fake tan ever called Boots number seven. Fake tan. It was a foam and I was like 15, but I had very bad acne. So I thought it would just merge it together. I was like a pizza. And so I put this tan on and then I go and stay with friends in the country. And when I was about 17, 18, I was a debutante. Okay. And you in England, you would go to homes in the country and have lovely weekends and balls and parties. It was a different life. But in the end, these very snobby women would write to my mother and say, please, can she bring her own sheets because she leaves the turin shroud. Because I left this mark. And then I was orange. I look back and I see that I was orange. So that's when my skin and I did recutane for a year. I did a CO2 laser. This is like in 1998 or something really early. I then thought, I won't do Victor. I've got to get my skin to this place where I don't feel I need it. But some women have a light toned skin that they don't like. They feel they look blue, you know, and maybe I think that's probably where you came from.

[A]

Listen, I grew up tanning therapy. I grew up tanning therapy. I love tanning. I worshiped Britney Spears growing up.

[B]

Of course you did.

[A]

That is still ingrained in me. And part of me is being tan. Like, that's never going to change. Some people may think I look too orange today. They may think I look too orange in the next couple of episodes.

[B]

On camera. You don't.

[A]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't have my bottom done because nobody can see my camera.

[B]

Does she? Now that they're all looking now. But on camera, the skin tone looks good, right?

[A]

I mean, y' all can tell me because if I do, I really honestly. No, you don't.

[B]

You don't.

[C]

But this is my question, Trinity, because we, we were saying this earlier. Like we are looking at ourselves so much. We obviously were on camera all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, no one should be looking at themselves this much, but we are. You obviously have looked at yourself for your whole life because you've been on TV in front of a camera. How do you get to the place that you're at where you can feel confident in and say, like, I don't need to be.

[B]

I never look back on what I've shot.

[A]

Oh, really? You just one and done and go,

[B]

Yeah, I generally don't look back. I look Back only if I have to check something for factuality or. I used. I did a podcast thing called Fearless and I just checked back to see if there was any said that was wrong. So when I do what not to wear, I never watch them afterwards. And then when I do Instagram stuff, I never ever shoot it more than once. I never ever shoot something twice.

[A]

I think actually that is a good tip for everyone. Specifically with photos. You don't need five minutes of photo taking. No.

[C]

If you didn't get it the first time, you're not gonna get it. Awesome.

[A]

It's so ridiculous. When we go to these events and see people spending way, way too long in front of a step and repeat, I'm like, guys, it's time to get it moving. Okay, we are almost out of time.

[C]

Trini, you look great.

[B]

Yeah, we're looking at.

[C]

Look at the phoenix, Kirby.

[B]

I look quite pale.

[A]

Here's my. Listen, it is a difference between my foot. If you guys can even see it. I don't even know if you can't see it.

[B]

No, but the thing is, what I'm saying is your skin looks gorgeous and it doesn't look at all too warm. I mean, can I just say, also in real life, looking at you, it's not like you're too. I probably am jealous because I'm here in the sun. I won't be able to go out and see it. And my daughter would be turning away and I'm like, I can't. I have to wear SPF 50 every day. I just have to.

[A]

Honey, listen, even if you did tell me I looked orange, I'd be like, trini, thank you. That's not a problem to me. Okay, I wanna finish up with. There are two things that you are. You want to disrupt one of these categories. And then you mentioned the Lip Reset kit. Yeah, the Lip Reset kit, as you've described it, is like a lip kit but for women, 40 plus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tell us a little bit more about that and why. Why it caters to 40 plus. And then also, what is the category you think is up for disruption this year?

[B]

Okay, so lip kit. I remember years ago, Lila wanted Kylie's lip kit and it was obsessive. And I remember it came and I thought, my God, the drama in which to get it. And I remember she put it on, nearly burnt her lips off. I mean, you know, whatever. It was just, you know, these things were not made. It was chemical. It was just made with very chemical ingredients. But the concept was very nice. And I always felt that the Women who we want to help the most are women who are 40 plus, and they maybe did Spice Mac lip liner. And same time, they did Touche Clat in only one shade, whatever their skin tone, which resulted in a panda eye movement. And then with the lip liner, it was then taken over by different generations. And then it became scary for them because they looked it and they thought, I don't know how to do that. And then it goes back to that thing of, I want to do a lip liner, but how do I match it? So I thought if I could do a kit where you don't have to think about it and where you'd have things about a lip file are really interesting. When I ask our audience, I say, what matters to you most? Because they know we'll put skincare ingredients in. And anything that says it's a collagen lip oil is crap, because collagen can't go in. But ours is a pro collagen peptide, which means it's got a lot of peptide in it. More than should be in there, actually. But that will help with that collagen inside, because it helps to feed amino acid, which helps collagen. And the colors together were really important that would go together so you wouldn't have to think about it and then how you put it on. Because lots of people are thinking, do I? Do I fill in my cupid's bow? Do I go across? So I have had lots of makeup artists over the years who are from Ray Morris to all these different people, and they all have a technique, and I don't think everyone wants to have lip filler. And I think there's three or four clubs of women. There's the thin lip brigade. There's a resting bitch face, which I'm a part of, which is like. And Lila will go, what's wrong, Mommy? And I'll go, nothing. But I look like there's something wrong with me. There's that sort of uneven lip, like, you might feel about your eye, or woman feels if her boob is bigger than the other, you know? And then there's a different category, which is sort of scared to wear a bright lip. And that could be because they have little lip lines or they think their lips bleed. So I thought, how can I actually make it easy to have a really great lip? And so that's why we created it and we launched it on Tuesday. It's actually been fantastic, amazing since you launched it. Can't wait to try it. So that felt good. And I wanted also a waterproof Lip liner. But it was really easy to apply. Cause some are quite scratchy. So there were certain things that, to me, principles are important. So that's a lip kit. But disrupting is interesting because I think many brands will have a franchise, and then they'll expand on the franchise, which is fine. They'll take the same ingredients and put it in a different kind of category. But I sort of like to. It's like we have seven products which do you know very well each year. One is the stack, which is our sort of makeup principle. One is called BFF Skin Perfector, which we don't sell here, but transforms the color of your skin. SPF1 is called the elevator. So the elevator works very well on the neck. And, you know, the NPT team go, why don't we make an elevator body? Or whatever? And I'm like, no, we did this for the neck. It's a neck product. Doing for the body is different things. There are different issues. I want to dress different ingredients I want to put in. So I always have a really great MPD team who. And what I like about our MPD team is it's the United Colors of Benetton. So for makeup, I think as a brand founded by a very much white female, we have, you know, like, with the lip reset kit, we had both of the women who work most on it at our launch party, and this woman from Vogue who's also one of color, was like, it takes women of color to know how to do lips. And they have it there. And they. You know, it was so great, that celebration of understanding when we're looking at skin and nuances of base and whiteness and et cetera. So I love that team spirit, but as a team, also, because they come from lots of different brands, they're like, should we just do a friend? And I go, no, I want us to think of what isn't there yet now to think what isn't there yet in the market today. And, you know, how many thousands of brands you approach by a year is a huge challenge. But there still are things. And so for me, I look at something I feel needs addressing, like, to do a separate neck cream. There's many people who say, oh, just do here. Which I'm pointing my. Just do your forehead to your decollete. It's fine. But, you know, our neck is so different. There is no. Not much muscle. There's hardly any collagen support. It's a very thin skin. The separation out between the surface of the skin and the dermis is it just separates and that kind of, you know, how do you deal with all those issues? They're not face issues, those are neck issues. And every other area will have a similar thing. I'm not gonna say do an ear cream next, but I'm just saying I've. You know something? We always have about seven things in the lab that we are developing, and some take four years. My eye cream took 56 iterations of formulation, and the 36 iteration, which I thought was perfect, we'd done the clinicals. We spent $200,000 on clinicals. It then started splitting like a fucking hollandaise. So I had to take all the ingredients out, rebuild it up, and see what was making it split. But there are things out there. And so I like, would I ever do a really volumizing mascara? No. We've done a really clean mascara, and that's what we are as a brand. I don't need to do one for the sake of doing one.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Did you want to mention hands?

[B]

I think that hands are really interesting, and hands are something that I think when you get to 40, 45, you suddenly go, oh, I didn't pay that much. You might have put all your face cream on your hands, et cetera. But with hands, there's four things. There's density, there's the kind of loss of volume, there's a crepiness, and there's pigmentation. And what's really interesting with pigmentation on the hand is if you do certain ingredients, it will get worse before it gets better. So when you're doing commercial products, that has an implication for a consumer, because if you do something that's medical and they say, you know, we're going to burn it off, it will get worse before it gets better. You're like, fine, it's a dermatologist. Da, da, da, da, da. So there are some ingredients that you can put on that bring things up before they get rid of the melanocytes. But for a consumer, how's she gonna feel as she puts it on? And after three weeks, it looks worse. So there's tons of interesting stuff like that, which I'm working on now.

[A]

I'm excited to see where you take it. Trini. I need that so much for joining us today. This is such a fun combo, Really.

[B]

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