Would You Inject Cadaver Fat? + Olivia Jade’s Beauty Brand Debut

Summary

Podcast Summary: Gloss Angeles

Episode: Would You Inject Cadaver Fat? + Olivia Jade’s Beauty Brand Debut

Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Date: May 19, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and insightful episode, Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan cover two eye-catching beauty headlines: the rise of injectable fillers derived from cadaver fat and the debut of Olivia Jade’s beauty brand, Opicola. Blending their trademark wit and industry expertise, the co-hosts weigh the science, ethics, marketing, and personal comfort levels regarding new beauty frontiers. They also dissect influencer-backed beauty brands and address the oversaturation of “K-Beauty” on the market. Throughout, Kirbie and Sara maintain their conversational, enthusiastic tone.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mall VIP Valet Surprise and Bronzer Mailers

• [00:52 - 03:55] The episode kicks off with Kirbie surprising Sara with a Westfield Century City Mall VIP valet parking card. The two gush about their favorite LA mall, highlighting shops (like Macy’s, Nordstrom, American Girl), eateries (Din Tai Fung, Chamberlain Coffee), and holiday activations.
• The hosts segue into discussing the recent deluge of bronzer mailers, sharing quick reviews of new contour and bronzer releases from brands like Tenille Jai, Sarah Creel, Summer Fridays, Fenty, and Victoria Beckham.
• Notable Quote:
  • “I got the contour tantor...from Tenille Jai...she’s, like, queen of bronzer.” — Sara [04:12]
  • “Here we go. Let’s get into some news.” — Sara [05:11]

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2. Cadaver Fat Injectable Fillers – The Rise of “Zombie Fillers”

• [05:14 - 13:20]
  The central discussion revolves around “cadaver-derived fat injections,” or “zombie fillers.” Sara introduces a new filler, AloClé, made from donated human cadaver abdominal fat, which is screened, purified, and processed for cosmetic injections.

Key Facts:

• Tiger Aesthetics sources the fat from organ donation tissue banks.
• Similar products like Renuva have been used for facial injections.
• There is growing demand due to trends like extreme thinness (GLP-1s/widespread Ozempic use) making personal fat transfers harder.

Ethical, Legal, and Scientific Considerations:

• Ethics & Consent: Both hosts raise concerns about whether organ donors are truly aware their fat might be used for cosmetic, not just medical, reasons:
  • “Is this ethical? People who are donor organs, they're assuming that their organs are going to be used for, you know, life saving, medical use, but it could actually be going to this instead.” — Sara [08:19]
  • “I do have a problem with consent…needing better cheekbones is [not] life saving.” — Kirbie [08:52]
• Medical Use vs. Vanity: Debate over usage not just for medical reconstruction, but for beauty—e.g., facial rejuvenation, breast augmentation, BBLs.
• Industry Speed & Regulation: It is FDA compliant but not FDA approved; human fat tissue isn’t regulated like synthetic fillers.
  • “The industry is moving too fast with this…It is FDA compliant, but that is not the same thing as FDA approved.” — Sara [13:11]

Host Attitudes:

• Kirbie, fascinated by death and the macabre, is open to the idea but critical of the logic that “dead body” equals “natural and better.”
  • “Plenty of things are man made in the lab and I’m totally fine with that.” — Kirbie [11:57]
• Sara feels the process veers into “Handmaid’s Tale” or “Squid Game” territory, expressing discomfort and marveling at beauty’s new ethical boundaries.
  • “It does feel a little Handmaid’s Tale, in a way, if you think about it…Let me harvest their fat for my own beauty gain.” — Kirbie [13:20]
• Both agree the consent issue for donors is the main sticking point, and they reflect on whether being designated as a “fat donor” will become as common as “organ donor.”

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3. Olivia Jade’s Beauty Brand, Opicola – Dissecting the Launch

• [14:12 - 24:10]
  Kirbie and Sara analyze the launch of Opicola, Olivia Jade’s new beauty brand, beginning with her double-sided glow and contour stick.

Brand Overview & First Impressions:

• The product is a bronzer-highlighter duo, selling for $44.
• Olivia Jade’s demo and campaign visuals impress both hosts.
  • “She looked amazing. She literally looks like Aunt Becky cloned as a child. It is the craziest thing.” — Kirbie [15:06]

Olivia Jade as Founder:

• Her sincerity and focus on beauty, rather than the “easy route” of podcasting or acting, earns the hosts’ respect.
  • “We need more people doing less…She knows this and…told our friend Aaron Lucas at the Zoe Report that she finds Hailey Bieber to be an inspiration. And…it’s like the Road [Rhode] blueprint.” — Kirbie [16:24, 16:59]
• They recount her infamous college admissions scandal, ultimately exonerating her as being more a victim of parental pressure than a willful participant.
  • “But also, she was parents fault.” — Sara [19:03]
  • “This is not her.” — Sara [19:13]

Packaging, Price, and Product Placement:

• The packaging divides fans, but Olivia’s personal engagement in DMs wins points.
• $44 is viewed as a prestige price, with Kirbie justifying it if the product lasts a long time.
• Olivia scrapped her initial US formula and developed Opicola in a South Korean lab.

The K-Beauty Factor:

• Debate on whether “made in Korea” still indicates true innovation.
  • “Everything’s made in Korea now. Everything’s K Beauty. Everything comes from Korea inspired by Korea.” — Kirbie [22:06]
  • “It’s just like another marketing term to get people to buy your product.” — Kirbie [23:40]
• Issue with non-Korean brands using K-Beauty language as a marketing ploy.

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4. Audience Engagement and Call to Action

• Hosts ask listeners for their thoughts on:
  • The ethics and “ick factor” of cadaver fat injections.
  • Olivia Jade’s brand: would they try it, what do they think of K-Beauty branding saturation, and how Olivia is handling her public image.
  • Inviting fans to a potential event at Westfield Century City Mall.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Mall VIP Valet:
  • “I can valet with Quinny…Quinn—such a diva.” — Sara [01:38]
• On Cadaver Fillers:
  • “So I’m using filler from a dead person?” — Kirbie [05:55]
  • “Is this ethical?” — Sara [08:19]
  • “This a sounds like a television parody.” — Kirbie [07:03]
  • “We are living in the future…and in really weird times.” — Kirbie [14:09]
• On Olivia Jade’s Launch:
  • “She literally looks like Aunt Becky cloned as a child.” — Kirbie [15:06]
  • “I have a lot of respect for her for actually coming out and being like, I’m doing this…I didn’t want to go to college actually. I wanted to make makeup.” — Kirbie [19:57]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:52–03:55]: Mall VIP valet card surprise; favorite shops and events.
• [04:02–05:11]: Bronzer product rundown.
• [05:14–13:20]: Cadaver fillers—process, ethics, and industry implications.
• [14:12–24:10]: Olivia Jade’s Opicola brand—launch analysis, Olivia’s positioning, K-Beauty marketing debate.

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains Gloss Angeles’ hallmark: forthright, funny, professionally skeptical, and deeply informed by the hosts’ years in beauty journalism. Kirbie and Sara balance irreverence (dead body filler jokes, pop culture references) with thoughtful analysis—never letting snobbery or cynicism get in the way of honest curiosity and a genuine love for all things beauty.

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Summary for Listeners

Whether you’re here for the weird science of “zombie fillers” or the latest influencer beauty launch, Kirbie and Sara offer a simultaneously entertaining and insightful exploration of beauty’s bleeding edge—leaving listeners with new facts, frank opinions, and plenty of food for thought.

Transcript

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[B]

G l a m los angeles. Hi, kirby. Hi, sarah. Welcome to los angeles. We're kicking this off with a little surprise.

[C]

I love surprises.

[B]

Can you guess? Can you guess what it is?

[C]

I have no idea. I don't know what's.

[B]

Okay, this is something that I told you that I was gonna get for the both of us, and it took a minute, but. Alexa, can you please present it? You have your very own VIP valet card for Westfield Century City Mall.

[C]

Yes. Oh, my God. Macy's hates to see me coming.

[B]

I mean, this is. Okay, we have spoken about this. It has your name on it. It is valid for the entire year. Westfield Century City mall is our favorite mall. This is not sponsored. We talk about this. It is the best mall in la. But the parking can be challenging if you do not know where to go. But Kirby and I do not have to worry about that because you can valet.

[C]

I can valet with Quinny.

[B]

I was thinking of you and Quinny.

[C]

Oh, my God, Quinn. Such a diva. God, this dog has just so many privileges that I did not have growing up. Jesus.

[B]

Now tell me three quick reasons why you love this mall.

[C]

Oh, my God. What don't I love about it? They have an amazing hand roll sushi spot right outside the amc.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Fab. I love, love, love the Macy's there.

[B]

Yes. That's like, also all the department stores. They're.

[C]

There's Bloomingdale's, Macy's, Nordstrom. Nordstrom.

[B]

They're all so good.

[C]

Yeah, it's like a really large Nordstrom.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So very big fan of that. They have a Din Tai Fung.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Although unpopular opinion, wasn't really impressed with Din Tai Fung.

[B]

You and Matt. I love Din Tai Fung. All the restaurants, though.

[C]

The white people. Yeah, it's okay.

[B]

All the restaurants.

[C]

The.

[B]

The Boba.

[C]

You could literally get Chamberlain coffee.

[B]

Chamberlain coffee. So good.

[C]

They have one there.

[B]

So good.

[C]

Big fan. They have an American girl store, which

[B]

I've spent many hours of my life

[C]

during the Holidays, they have this really cute activation where it snows. There are people outside in the atrium singing and performing. It's like every hour on the hour

[B]

station meets Santa's workshop. Yeah.

[C]

Super cute. They also have amazing mold wine spirits. During that time the past couple of years, I was thinking about how I wanted to do a Gloss Angeles happy hour there with all of our brand friendlies, because they have mold wines in these really cute little.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. We should do an event at the Century City mall.

[C]

I love it. And they always have events there. Like, there's always some kind of something or another going on there.

[B]

Yep. Yep. It's just the best mall. And we are so, so grateful. So thank you for our parking car.

[C]

Thank you so freaking much, Westfield. I.

[B]

Such a flex.

[C]

I had no idea. Literally, you. I could not have guessed this. Yep. But you really looked out for me the minute you told me that. Who was it? Was it Jenna?

[B]

I saw Jenna Ushkowitz post about it, then Ally Maki, and I was like, immediately, where did you get these? Because Kirby and I need.

[C]

I absolutely. I go to this mall. You do? Twice a week?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Most of the weekend, actually. I'm just hanging out.

[B]

Literally, the best.

[C]

Amazing, amazing. Thank you, Sarah. And thank you, whistle.

[B]

You're very welcome.

[C]

Fab.

[B]

By the way, I have gotten no less than four bronzer mailers this past week.

[C]

I was going to say, literally, we should do the bronzer showdown. I got the contour tantor. I can't remember the name of it from Tenille. Jai.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Which is which?

[B]

I feel like she's, like, queen of bronzer.

[C]

Okay. I'm obsessed.

[B]

And contour. Yes.

[C]

All of her products are incredible. That, to me, is more of a contour. It's like an actual true contour. There's no warmth to it at all. Right. Sarah Creel just launched the most stunning bronzer. I'm wearing it right now. I don't know if you all don't think I look bronze, but, like, I'm wearing it.

[B]

You look very bronze.

[C]

And then I got the summer Fridays. Haven't tried yet.

[B]

That's what I'm wearing.

[C]

Beautiful.

[B]

I love all of the shades, too, because they are warm, like what you would expect from bronzers. But then there's some, like, that are a little bit cooler.

[C]

You. Yes, exactly. Because I think a lot of people, they kind of interchange bronzer and contour. Yes. Sometimes they're like, well, I want to, like, carve out my cheek. And then for me, personally, I'm like, I want to look like the sun drenched my face.

[B]

Kissed.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Fenty sent me theirs.

[C]

I need to get those.

[B]

There's also Victoria Beckham, right?

[C]

You said. Oh, yeah. Victoria Beckham is. I mean, we also know our girl Hailey Biebs.

[B]

She's been teasing it.

[C]

Hot bronze summer.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Here we go. Let's get into some news.

[B]

Yes. Okay, Kirby, what if I told you there was this new injectable that you could use that gave you really natural looking results with absolutely zero downtime. You wouldn't have to use any sort of anesthesia you could get right back to work, and it was made from naturally derived ingredients. Okay.

[C]

Like, sure. But also, you know how I feel about like the natural thing, right? I'm just like, I don't care if it has chemicals. Give it to me.

[B]

Right? And then you're like, how is it natural? Where is the natural coming from?

[C]

What makes it natural?

[B]

So the caveat is that it is derived from a cadaver. A cadaver caveat.

[C]

So I'm using filler from a dead person?

[B]

Yes. So this. I texted Kirby because I got a pitch, we both did, from a publicist that was like, cadaver derived fat injections. Zombie filler, question mark. Picking up real traction. And I was like, you have got to be kidding me. This is. This cannot be where we are at.

[C]

This is what we're doing in October to kick off Halloween season. You and me going to get fat injections from our personally selected cadaver to get to decide. Are you like, okay, I want this woman because she seemed to have really, really good looking cheeks.

[B]

No, that is the thing. Cannot decide. Oh, but bummer, it has a name. So it's called Aloe clay and it is a filler made from donated human cadaver fat. So doctors have been injecting this filler for the last year now. So a company called Tiger Aesthetics purchases abdominal fat cells from organ donations at tissue banks, then screens for diseases, purifies, and then processes the material. I'm going to let that just process here in your brain for a second.

[C]

This a sounds like a television parody.

[B]

Well, it was featured in sort of like the Beauty that show on fx.

[C]

Okay, Exactly.

[B]

But it's based on this a real thing. Well, no, I don't think it's based on aloe clay specifically. However, there already is a similar donor fat product called Renuva used for facial injections. And I did see my friend the other night and she's like, I just got Renuva in my face. And I was like, what's Renova. And she was like, you know, the dead, cadaver filler, injections. And I was like, how's it going? And she's like, I don't know. I can't really tell yet.

[C]

So this is very much life imitating art, right? Or is it. Or imitating life? What did you say was first? The beauty.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. Renuva has been in the existence.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Sorry.

[B]

Yes. So art imitating.

[C]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Or the afterlife.

[C]

I was like, is this like a Veep situation where they literally write something and then it actually happens? Government.

[B]

So first comes Renova, then I. Then I think Alicle. And then, you know, the beauty, obviously is paying homage to all of this

[C]

coming to the US soon. Your license will not only say organ donor, but fat donor.

[B]

Well, that. Okay, that's the thing, Kirby, is that the question many of you are probably having is, is this ethical? Right. Because people who are donor organs, they're assuming that their organs are going to be used for, you know, life saving, medical use, but it could actually be going to this instead.

[C]

Really? Yes.

[B]

When you donate your organs, it goes to, you know, all the. Whatever banks. One, it could go to these tissue banks and it could be going to this. So does that make you feel any different if you don't?

[C]

I do have a problem with consent. Like, yes. If I think I'm going to be donating my kidney to someone because I got in a car accident and died and it's going to potentially save somebody's life. Yes. I don't think needing better cheekbones is life saving or life. I mean, it could be life altering for some people, but, like, then it gets into, okay, what if it's like for reconstruction?

[B]

Right, but people are also using this as implants for their breasts or for bbls. Because in this world that we are living in, you know, with the rise of GLP1s, you know, you used to be able to get fat. If you were doing fat transfer, you could get it from like your butt, from your stomach. But people are so thin now that they have to get it from these dead bodies.

[C]

Didn't Susan Yar get her fat transfer from her inner thigh?

[B]

She did, but some people don't have it. They don't have it. Or honestly, this is just like an easier option. It already exists. And there was an article in the Week written by Theora Coleman, and she found that people didn't really, like, think twice about it. It wasn't as big of a deal as I think we think it is.

[C]

I don't know. Y' all know I'm, like, really into dead things. I'm morbid. I'm into zombies. I've been. I'm always thinking about death in some regard.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And so death doesn't scare me. It's something that's really fascinating to me. I would probably be interested in seeing a cadaver just almost to, like, get it over with. Because I've only seen dead bodies in the aspect of, like, going to funerals, which obviously has, like, a very tight emotional pull to it. And we know that, like, cadavers are also used to study things like injectables. I was just on a trip with Botox in Bozeman, Montana, and I talked to the medical director of, you know, the Allergan Institute that teaches injectors and learned about their training process and what really goes into that. Which it's very long and. And extensive.

[B]

Extensive.

[C]

And very, very fascinating. But they utilize cadavers to understand the different parts of the face and the fascia, the dermis, the muscle, the bone, like, to really. So. But also, I'm 100 sure. Like, those bodies have to approve to be used for science in some way. Right, Right.

[B]

But. But are they specifically. They were like, you're gonna be going to the people.

[C]

So if I agreed that my body can be donated to science, I could be potentially at Allergan Institute.

[B]

Yes. Which feels right.

[C]

Cut open. Which honestly feels like the least I could do at this point. We're going over. Yeah. You have to talk my mother into this. But you know, it's really passed before you. Stop it.

[B]

No, I'm just. Get out of here.

[C]

Or my mother. But I'm just saying, like, if we

[B]

put it into our wills.

[C]

My mom is like, carving. Do not say that out loud. But yeah. This is a very interesting thing. I don't know. There's part of me that is like, you know, what it is what it is.

[B]

It is what it is. And if this is where technology is going and, you know, people are getting stem cells and exosomes from who knows where. Like, is fat any different from my dead body?

[C]

Don't I also. I'm just kind of like. But plenty of things are man made in the lab.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And I'm totally fine with that. Right.

[B]

Totally.

[C]

Say I'm not willing. I don't think I need to go to a dead person to get something just because it's more natural than the man made stuff in the lab.

[B]

Right. I'm saying no for sure. I totally get what you're saying. But apparently it's on the rise and the results are amazing, and people are really happy about it. It's extremely expensive. I think they said, I don't know how many, you know, injections or whatever, but in the story that the year I wrote it was like $100,000. Like, this is for.

[C]

That's like a faceless for some people wealthy. But Renewva is.

[B]

I think it's. It's probably not as expensive because it's been around longer and. And I really wanted to talk to my friend a little bit more about her experience, but we just didn't have the time. But I would love to hear if anyone has already gotten this done, if they like it. So even though it is, you know, becoming extremely popular and we're seeing more about it, I will say the takeaway said that, like, the industry is moving too fast with this. Said this one doctor. Like, it is FDA compliant, but that is not the same thing as FDA approved. Yes. And because human fat tissue is considered an existing product, it is not subjected to the same standards as cosmetic interventions such as Botox, dermal fillers, or breast implants. So there's just, like, so much that we don't know.

[C]

It does feel a little Handmaid's Tale, in a way, if you think about it, like, great, someone's dead. Let me harvest their fat for my own beauty gain.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Or like, squid games.

[C]

Oh, oh, did you ever watch that? Yeah, I loved squid game.

[B]

Yeah. So that is something that I've been thinking a lot about.

[C]

You should need to harvest my fat once I'm dead. Feel free. Right.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

No, say, you will have to preserve my body somewhere in your compound.

[B]

To your point, I wonder, like, when you mark, like, I want to be an organ donor. Like, can you specify like, like, no fat treasure or. I would love to.

[C]

Please send me to Allergan Medical Institute for trainings.

[B]

Like, or tiger aesthetics for my abdominal

[C]

fat for my aloe.

[B]

It's crazy. It is. We are living in the future and

[C]

also the past and in really weird times. All right, we got another beauty entrepreneur on our hands, Ms. Olivia Jade. You know what? Y' all are gonna be surprised by how I feel about this. I posted this on Substack and the response was similar. Actually, it was that I kind of want to try Olivia Jade's new brand. It's called Opicola, and she's been working on it for a while, she says. Five years, she says, and she's launched with a double sided glow and Contour product.

[B]

It's like a bronzer on one side and a highlighter on the other side. Alexa actually ordered it already for herself.

[C]

Wow. It's not on the ground journalism here. You'll have to tell us how you like it. Personally, she did a good job selling this product to me when she applied

[B]

it, because she looked amazing.

[C]

She looked amazing. Granted. She's Lori Laughlin's daughter. She's stunning. She literally looks like Aunt Becky cloned as a child. Like, it is the craziest thing.

[B]

Aunt Becky is a child with a. Like, a filter or something. Like, she just is. Looks, like, perfect. Her face is perfect.

[C]

And I have met her in person, and she really is that beautiful. She was, I think, dating Jacob Lord at the time, which.

[B]

We won't talk about that.

[C]

We won't talk about that. Olivia. Jade. But I think she's actually. She seems so passionate about beauty.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

This doesn't feel like just another thing that she's doing. And the reason why I say that is because earlier this year, Entertainment Tonight interviewed her on a red carpet, and they were like, would you ever start a podcast?

[B]

How do you feel about a podcast of your own? Are you working on something like that? Would you ever. I don't think that I have that much to say, but we're working on a beauty line that comes out really

[C]

soon and some other things. So that's my focus.

[B]

Any acting in your future?

[C]

Oh, gosh. I always say I feel like you really have to love acting to do it. And I don't love it for me, but I love it for others. And I love to watch movies. And I said, clothes, clock it. Yes. We need more people doing less.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I think everyone is just, okay, let's throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

[B]

Right.

[C]

We have enough beauty brands. Right. Like, we don't need just, like, another person wanting to make a beauty brand that's gonna die in a year because nobody bought it. Because this person doesn't understand beauty and that there's an actual ecosystem to actually getting people to try your product and want to try your product. She knows this, and she has told different publications. Like, she told our friend Aaron Lucas at the Zoe Report that she finds Hailey Bieber to be an inspiration. And it's like, if you look at their imagery and how they shot her campaign. Of course.

[B]

Totally.

[C]

It's like the road blueprint.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And she's obviously stunning. She's one of those girls that could do clean girl makeup and be fine. You know what I mean? Yep. And she's young and she's white. Right. Like, there's all these elements to it. But I'm like, yeah, okay. Love that she doesn't want to start a podcast. Then they're like, what about acting? Like, your mom is like an actor. You grew up around actors. And she's like, you really got to be passionate about acting to do it. Yes, honey, that's exactly what I want to hear from you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like, I love beauty. I have a brand coming out. I want this brand to succeed. I love this product. And the thing is, in the comments of her doing her demonstration of the product, there were some people that were like, the packaging is tacky. The packaging looks like shit, blah, blah, blah. And then someone's like, I don't know what y' all are talking about. I really like the packaging. I think it's really beautiful. And she responded and was like, thank you. Me too. So she's like, seems to be very engaged. Very engaged.

[B]

Invest.

[C]

Very invested in this brand.

[B]

I think it looks cute. I don't think it looks cheap.

[C]

And I think too, a lot of people are like, okay, she just swiped this thing on her face. Like, there's a million things like that out there. Sure. I'm not arguing that. I don't think this is re. You know, this is like an innovation by any means. But I do think that there is something about it. Like, when she puts it on, she's not too shiny.

[B]

Right.

[C]

She's not too glazed looking.

[B]

I also think it's like, pretty wide.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

The applicator for the bronzer, that's very unique in my opinion. And I mean, the fact that she just kind of like did her whole face and was like, ready to go.

[C]

I was like, she did it on her mom.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And to your point, she's been doing

[B]

this for so long now.

[C]

She.

[B]

We know that she loves beauty. She's. She's made who knows how many beauty tutorials.

[C]

Yes. Because she. A lot of people obviously know her from that college cheating scandal. And I'm going to say a few things about this. First of all, was that really bad? Yeah, it was really bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She knew taking a picture as. What was it?

[B]

A rower, something like that. Crew.

[C]

Yeah, whatever. Yeah. She wasn't on crew.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But also, she was parents fault.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I agree. That is not 17 years old. And granted, she may know, like, okay, this doesn't make sense, but, like, if your parents are telling you to do something, you're doing it.

[B]

She was not. She couldn't have Told her parents.

[C]

No, I totally agree.

[B]

This was not her.

[C]

I feel like, yes, Aunt Becky, she went to jail.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And she served her time.

[B]

They serve their time. They're done. They paid their dues.

[C]

Someone was saying, like, well, how is the city different than, like, buying a library for a school to get your child in? And I'm like, well, there's books involved. There's like education involved there. Yeah, this is like, this is very different, actually. But, you know, like, people quote, unquote, pay their way into college in a variety of ways. Right, right. If we're still living in the world where we think that merit is the only way people are getting into colleges these days. Like, you have been asleep for the past 30 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I think people want to keep impressing upon her that title of, like, cheater.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Scandal, whatever. I have a lot of respect for her for actually coming out and being like, I'm doing this. I've been wanting to do this. And you know, like, I like this thing. Like this. This is my actual passion. So I didn't want to go to college actually. Yeah. I wanted to make makeup.

[B]

Right. I know. And I. I honestly am really excited to try it too. I think it's really cute. I like the idea of just like launching with the one product. It does seem a little bit expensive. So I'm curious, how much is it? $44.

[C]

Yeah, I. I do agree that for that because it does kind of look like. Did you get the new Oribe wax stick?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

It's wide and it's a little thin too. And it's meant to be, like, used directly on your hair.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It looks like that to me, but double ended.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And so maybe it is a lot of product, like maybe based off of the ingredients and how it was formulated, blah, blah, blah, where it's coming from. Maybe $44 is a price point that makes sense because you're gonna have to use that thing a lot. Like, I don't think the replenishment of that product is going to be minimal. Like, I think, like, you'll have to use it for a long time in order to get through it. Yeah, that makes sense. So maybe $44. Maybe it's like you're spending $44 every 18 months. Like, maybe that makes sense. But if you're just looking at it on paper, comparing it to another glow and bronze product, you're probably like, oh, shit. Like, that's. That's like a prestige type price point for that product.

[B]

Yes. Yes. And I mean, it really like, the formula was developed in South Korea. She had, like, developed a formula in the US and didn't like it and totally scrapped it and started from scratch. Like, she really wanted to make this, like, something that she herself would use and something that she could be proud of. So I think we are excited to try it, obviously.

[C]

Can I ask you a question?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Does something being made in Korea now affect you at all?

[B]

Like, I'm like, oh, it's going to be good because it's made in Korea.

[C]

Or like, you're more incentivized to want to try it because it's made in Korea.

[B]

I mean, I. Yeah, I think, like, if it's from a South Korean lab, like, I think I am more likely to try it.

[C]

Interesting. I stopped caring about six months ago. I'm like, everything's made in Korea now.

[B]

I mean, that's. Well, that's. That's true.

[C]

Everything's K Beauty. Everything comes from Korea inspired by Korea.

[B]

It's like the technology is from Korea. The labs they're using are from Korea. Someone on the team is from Korea.

[C]

No, I'm just like, every single brand is now using K Beauty or Korean incentivization to get people to buy their products. And for me, it's just like oversaturation and overload. Yeah. So I don't really find there to be a strong differentiator between all these products.

[B]

You're right. I do take issue when brands start to market themselves as K beauty, K skin care, but there is not a real, like, connection to the country or the culture. And they are just sort of appropriating the beauty just because, like I said, when you hear that it is from a South Korean lab made with Korean ingredients, you're a little bit more likely to use it.

[C]

Yeah. Because I think that you can have a lab in South Korea or wherever, but I don't think that K Beauty makes. Right.

[B]

Like rare beauty. They have labs in South Korea. They don't ever.

[C]

That's not a K beauty brand.

[B]

Yeah, that's not a K beauty brand.

[C]

Because we're getting pitches where we see these emails where there is a brand that's been a French brand for 30 plus years being like, K beauty from blank brand. And I'm like, no.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

But what do you guys think?

[B]

But it's like, I totally agree with you in that now it's like a just a whatever thing. Because for so long, so many people are like, oh, we source our ingredients from the south of France, this and that, French pharmacy, whatever it may be. And you're like, this means nothing to me.

[C]

Yeah. Because everybody does that now.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

It's just like another marketing term to get people to buy your product.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Like, I do think there is innovation, obviously, that comes out of really, I'm not minimizing that at all.

[B]

But it's like tableware stakes at this point.

[C]

Right. I'm like, it's kind of like when everyone says their product is clean. I'm like, guess what? Most beauty brands now don't include that one ingredient that they didn't, you know, that they used 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So curious what you guys think about Opicola. Have you seen it? Do you want to try it? Did you buy it? Do you like it? Did you not like it? What would you change about it? What do you think about Olivia Jade? Also, how do you feel about cadavers? Would you put cadaver fat into your face?

[B]

Would you be okay being a donor organ for cadaver injections?

[C]

And would do you want to come to Westfield Century City for a Los Angeles event at some point? Let us know.

[A]

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