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Episode: 200 Years' War - Michael Livingston

Host: Matt Lewis | Guest: Professor Michael Livingston

Date: November 7, 2025

Overview

In this intellectually invigorating episode of Gone Medieval, host Matt Lewis welcomes historian and author Professor Michael Livingston to discuss his new book, The 200 Years War. Livingston questions the traditional "Hundred Years War" framework, arguing for a broader, more nuanced perspective — one that reshapes our understanding of medieval France, England, and the evolution of European states. The episode dives deeply into periodization, national identity, overlooked historical narratives, and the real consequences of how we label and frame history.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reframing Historical Labels and Periodization

• Origins of the "200 Years War" Concept
  • Livingston challenges the adequacy of the Hundred Years War (traditionally 1337–1453, actually 116 years) as a historical period, advocating a 1292–1492 timeline to reflect a more accurate, French-centric evolution of the conflict.
  • On the problem with labels:

    “The periodization of history, as you said, is useful... but is also hugely problematic... it’s all just something we’re doing to it. It’s not something that comes intrinsic with history itself.” — Professor Michael Livingston (07:27)

• Why 1292–1492?
  • 1292 marks the outbreak of hostilities (the "pirate war") and 1492, coincidentally two centuries later, is the Peace of Étaples, when France formally consolidates control and England relinquishes claims (except in title).
  • This broader frame shows a 'French project' of state-building, as opposed to the English conquest narrative.

2. The Spark: 1292 and the ‘Pirate War’

• What Happened in 1292?
  • A minor incident over water access between French- and English-allied ships escalates to reprisals, open naval warfare, and a French royal declaration stripping England of their French lands—echoing later moments like the war's 'official' start in 1337.

    “No one is immediately saying, right, that’s it, we’re France and England are at war. It’s almost like they’re testing the waters a little bit...” — Matt Lewis (14:09)

  • Livingston compares this to the murder that ignited WWI, emphasizing how small triggers can escalate when conditions are ripe.

3. Wars: Hot, Cold, and International

• Not a Linear Conflict
  • The war was characterized by hot battles and long periods of "cold war" — economic, diplomatic, and proxy conflicts, not continuous fighting.
  • Internal crises (e.g., the Black Death) and international entanglements (Low Countries, Burgundy, Brittany, Papal States, Spain, Scotland, Holy Roman Empire) shaped the trajectory and intensity of conflict.
  • The English economic lifeline—wool exports to the Low Countries—made Flanders a perpetual battleground.

4. France’s Existential Struggle

• State-Building, Identity, and Centralization
  • The "200 Years War" frames the era as France's attempt to define itself: territory, language, governance, identity, and the centralization of royal authority—a process that, through bloodshed, culminated in the France we recognize.

    “This is the story... of that invention, that discovery of a national identity. What does it mean to be English? What does it mean to be French?” — Professor Michael Livingston (19:13)

• England’s Changing Identity
  • Losing continental territories forced the English to redefine “Englishness”—formerly entwined with vast French lands.

5. Anglocentric Narratives vs. Continental Realities

• Agincourt, Henry V, and Anglocentrism (29:40)
  • The English victories at Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt are culturally overblown; the French perspective highlights these defeats as spurs to unity, state-building, and, ultimately, victory.

    “I say things like, y’ all lost the war. You didn’t win the 100 Years War.” — Professor Michael Livingston (32:06)

  • Joan of Arc marks a critical inflection point—her rise makes ultimate English victory impossible.

6. The Endgame: After Castillon (1453) and the Peace of Étaples (1492)

• Why Not End at 1453?
  • The war’s aims and animosities persisted beyond that, manifesting in England’s (failed) attempts to reverse fate, and France’s growing confidence and interventions in English politics.
  • French support for Henry Tudor before Bosworth (1485) and for rebels against Yorkist kings illustrates this reversal of fortunes.
  • 1492’s Peace of Étaples sees England formally recognize the new state of affairs, marking the true end of this era and the beginning of a new geopolitical chapter.

7. Periodization: Usefulness, Limitations, and Self-Awareness

• Are Labels Helpful?
  • Both Lewis and Livingston stress that labels are necessary for discussion, but can become misleading if taken as intrinsic realities.

    “If we think we have a settled view of the periodization of history... Well, actually you can [rethink it] because you can have the 200 Years War as well as the 100 Years War.” — Matt Lewis (56:06)

  • Periodization frames the narrative, shaping which questions and voices get seen and heard (e.g., Anglo- vs. Franco-centric views).
  • The answer: Flexibility and self-awareness; using frames as tools, not as immutable truths.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the social construction of periods:

  “Nobody woke up one day and was like, well, all right, Middle Ages, here we go. Nobody woke up and thought, oh, good, Middle Ages are over. It’s the Renaissance... It doesn’t happen. The periodization of history is really useful, but also hugely problematic.” — Professor Michael Livingston (07:27)

• On the spark of conflict:

  “It all blows up... In 1292, two ships meet at an island that nobody listening to this will have ever heard of... There’s a fight that breaks out over who’s going to draw water first, and a man is killed… It escalates rapidly to what’s often called a pirate war...” — Professor Michael Livingston (10:15)

• Why the English victories aren’t the ‘whole story’:

  “I say things like, y’ all lost the war. You didn’t win the 100 Years War... The glory of those events, those three most in particular, but Agincourt especially, not only kind of the historical reality of what a win that is, but the cultural weight of it, is this juggernaut that is so hard to get past.” — Professor Michael Livingston (32:06, 32:21)

• On periodization and perspective:

  “As soon as we put a frame around any kind of period, you’re necessarily viewing it from a very specific angle... so as soon as we do it, it becomes useful... but we need to be aware that we’re getting a very particular view.” — Matt Lewis (53:25)

• On the legitimacy and perils of periodization:

  “All labels are not about the things themselves; they’re about our relationship to it. It’s us pushing things back onto the past.” — Professor Michael Livingston (50:29)

Timestamps of Key Segments

• [04:29] — Why rethink the Hundred Years War?
• [10:15] — The 1292 ‘pirate war’ and the real start of unceasing Anglo-French conflict
• [16:31] — How reframing changes the understanding of pre-1337 events
• [19:13] — The war as an existential struggle for national identity
• [23:11] — The international entanglements: Low Countries, Scotland, Papal States, Spain, and more
• [29:40] — The Anglocentric view: Agincourt, Henry V, Joan of Arc, and their real significance
• [36:36] — Why end in 1492? The Peace of Étaples and the final consolidation of France
• [43:57] — France inserts itself into English politics: the Wars of the Roses and beyond
• [49:55] — Periodization: necessity vs. the danger of fixed narratives
• [53:25] — The effect of labels on narrative and perspective

Flow & Tone

The episode is marked by thoughtful, good-humored banter, critical reflection, and intellectual openness. Livingston is candid about the constructed nature of historical categories and the need to question received narratives, while Lewis both challenges and reaffirms these points from his own expertise. The conversation is rich, accessible, and respectful of complexity.

Takeaways

• The "Hundred Years War" is an artificial, limiting frame; a 200-year perspective reveals deeper truths about the making of France and the shifting identities in Europe.
• Periodization and historical labels are needed for clarity but must be handled flexibly and critically—they shape which stories are told and how we understand ourselves.
• Re-examining the edges of traditional narratives uncovers lost events, neglected impacts, and broader contexts critical to understanding the medieval past—and its legacy in modern Europe.

For listeners and history lovers, this episode offers not just a revisionist view of the Hundred Years War, but a masterclass in critical historical thinking.